Game presents itself as easy

When did you realize that the "anyone can draw meme" is true, but the part nobody told you is that the artistic taste and design sense required to draw something unique and interesting is actually a talent?

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Based /ic/ crossboarder. Unironically Fighting games. They always seem easy, but they are not.

i assume you're saying that you still draw like chicken scratch

a lot of people who aren't confident in their drawing are like that

when doing studies try to do infinite line drawing to build up more comfort with keeping your pencil on the paper

also remember your art isn't valuable so fuck ups don't matter either
but they can be used to improve

It’s really the other way around for most fighting games. Watching high level play makes it look hard, but learning the fundamentals well enough to play somewhat competently is actually pretty easy.

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Build patience.

Get a load of Mr. Armchair Psychologist over here.

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Why is it that /ic/ crossboard threads are the most comfiest.

have you done your six gorrillion gestures and anatomy practices today Yea Forums?

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>try to learn to draw
>online friends draw and say they'll help me
>give me pity likes and reblogs
>no real constructive criticism
>try my hand at other sites to post stuff I make
>get shat on
>realize that I'm getting nowhere with this
>wasted money on so many art supplies and even a tablet
it hurts

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Any link or pics of your art?

>Its an 'user confuses the point of Lomis and wastes time making 1:1 copies of his retarded potato faces instead of taking the underlying principles of what he is teaching about construction then applying it to his own approach towards drawing' episode

Did you draw that, user?

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You can do 60 poses in like 30 minutes, it doesnt take that long when you get the hang of it

Why are people from /ic/ so fucking depressed?

already tried these for ages, i'm still fucking shit. I always mess up anatomy and I'm too much of brainlet to learn muscle and bone anatomy from loomis

Because art is one of the highest effort lowest return endeavors a person can do.

i can't anatomy

Drawfags: does it really take years to draw competently? are there practice techniques to improve faster other than more hours a day practicing? i'm learning a musical instrument and my teacher always talks about breaking practice into pieces instead of trying to learn the whole thing. is there anything like this for drawing?

I wanna see your art, can you provide any examples?

It's called PAINting, not joying.

All artistic journey is built on suffering. Suffering is the fuel of art.

i barely upload stuff and if i do it's something i spent ages on.
pixiv.net/member.php?id=37765141

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Art is one of the most worthless and pointless things a person can possibly do.
>b-but you can make money
Yeah, but like 99.999% of the people won't and some don't want or care for money. Hell, some don't even enjoy the process. They just want the end results. Those are the majority of failures. At least those who enjoy the process can cope.

Is it really? I would think it's better to be autistic about art then perfecting a vidya 100s of times. At least if you know how to art you could make a patreon, webcomic, maybe find work in animation studios. At least people should draw for the fun of it.

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>want to draw
>do beginner stuff
>start with the upside down Igor Stravinsky exercise
>do very well, happy with how close it is to the original
>realized that it took around 2 hours or more
>the exercise it probably a 40min exersice

>anime

There's your problem. Try to understand reality before trying to stylize it. Drawing what you like/enjoy is a meme. You must draw what is important.

Such as hands. I mean, tits and anime faces are ok, but if you only care about drawing that, you won't draw enough hands. And you'll end up with bad looking hands.

>tfw the exercise is actually only a 20 min execise

Nice, keep working on it

Yeah, the best way to draw is breaking things down into forms and curve lines so that it's easier to transfer it a 2-D image.

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This looks fine except for the lower legs.

You sure mate?

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Guess I should learn to be more efficient.

Maybe if you only play games full of idiots like Kekken.

Play a fighter with a small but dedicated playerbase then even dreaming of getting a single round takes all your energy.

I wish it didn't hurt so.

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Use references user, it will help you greatly.

>but muh drawing from imagination

Drawing from imagination is a meme that people fall for and get stuck on.

Symbol drawing, what is it exactly?
Google misunderstands it when I google it.

That's really good user, I like it. Keep trying to improve yourself, don't give up.

A meme word for a person who doesn't know how to draw.

This, even professionals use references

It's when you draw what you think something looks like, instead of what it looks like.

But the actual issue with symbol drawing is not symbol drawing itself, but having bad symbols. After deconstructing reality, you loop back around and start drawing symbols again, but this time, visually appealing. See: anime.

>why is my anatomy so fucked up when i just draw anime!
but your drawing of people is fine, your direction leaves more to be desired

its very clear you're trying to be a certain way and not your own way

Drawing an eye by drawing a round circle then putting another circle in it. That's is what we are taught an eye looks like.

In reality an eye fits in a skull with muscle around it and has eyelids on top of it. The angle of the viewing perspective also influences it's shape. You should draw what you see, not it's symbol.

>Oh no, I suck so bad at this(please tell me how great my art actually is, guys)

just practice bro

Basically is when you draw what you think something looks like rather than what it does look like. The problem with drawing is that we fall back to what is familiar to us when we are faced with something we don't understand how to draw.

no i really fucking hate myself because i'm so shit, i even gave up drawing a bunch of times because i can't improve.
Everything i posted is drawn from a year ago. I haven't improved since then.

Also in case you ask, i drew them a year ago and uploaded them this year. I didn't have a pixiv a year ago

>When did you realize that the "anyone can draw meme" is true, but the part nobody told you is that the artistic taste and design sense required to draw something unique and interesting is actually a talent?
everyone forgets how important direction is over single pieces

like someone will draw 1 character and ask "does this look good"
without much consideration on what their purpose is really to be

>want to learn how to draw but don't give myself time because of school, work, and fitting vidya in there

i keep telling myself if i had started 2 years ago i could be milking furry porn money instead of working a shitty job and going to school, but i perpetuate my suffering by not doing anything about it

>what their purpose is really to be
could you clarify this?

what's stopping you from working on it right now?

>everyone forgets how important direction is

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>i keep telling myself if i had started 2 years ago
Don't worry. Did it, tried it for 2 years. Doesn't work out. You just end up going back to what you were doing before but now feel even worse because you failed what you thought would work out best.

studying for finals

He means that design is problem solving. You can’t ask if a character design is good or not, if you’re not even considering the context or what it’s supposed to be for. A design that’s good for one thing can be awful for something else.

I make money off of art. It’s not even that hard, demand is high, and no, you don’t have to sellout and draw degenerate shit.

Because when people are defined for a single thing (in this case art) existence becomes shaky and fragile as that very thing that defines you can be taken away so easily.

What is your character for? Who are they? What do they do? How do they dress themselves and why? What are they like, and what's the world around them like? What role do they serve? Even if you've got no story to go with them, designing a character requires you to at least passively think about these things. You have to give yourself something to go on or you'll just end up with a nonsensical or bland mess.

practice art after finals, then.

Ryu as a design is not impressive, he's not even interesting
But what does stand out is the direction and style of Street Fighter, Ryu becomes a more compelling design when brought together with the other fantastically designed characters

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Getting the big furry bucks requires you to be really deep into the fur faggoty community. A drawfag form /ic/ said that he had to make an entirely new persona for each furry fandom because the only way they would approach you for big money commisions is when they feel that you are as fucked up as they are.

Just draw for fun. It doesn't require skill, just vent yourself creatively. Being an artist for pay kind of blows cocks. The pay is bad and so is the job stabillity.

Link to art blog? I wanna gauge how skilled I need to be to make money like you.

>What is your character for? Who are they? What do they do? How do they dress themselves and why? What are they like, and what's the world around them like? What role do they serve? Even if you've got no story to go with them, designing a character requires you to at least passively think about these things. You have to give yourself something to go on or you'll just end up with a nonsensical or bland mess.
Lmao who cares about this gay nerd shit.

Look at my big titty anime character in a frilly dress. Seriously though, incestuous stagnation of ideas is the worst thing that can happen to your art.

>Let's pretend I'm asking a video game question but I totally want to talk about why I'm trash about drawing instead of taking that to /ic/

I started a month ago with Keys to Drawing, Drawabox and How to Draw by Scott Robertson. Drawing from observation blew my brainlet mind.
Is it wise to start messing around with figure drawing or should I stick to the fundamental books first?

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The younger you start the better you will perform and the faster you learn. If you didn't start early in life chances are you will have a much harder time learning.

The thing is, you don't realize how shitty you are and how much you need to learn until you really have invested enough time to have the knowledge and skill needed to realize how shitty you are and how much more you need to learn.

I'm afraid I'll never understand a subject truly on an higher or expert level. Whether it be drawing, learning an instrument, some math shit, etc. I've even had board games that get too complicated for me and let others tell me what the hell my dice rolls meant. When I was learning how to play music I could read it and learn super slowly, but understanding chords, progression, and theory was lost on me, same thing happened with math that I passed with a D-. I just couldn't understand something if it wasn't broken down to the tiniest of little details.

Am I normal guys?

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Relax man, mods are sleeping and Yea Forums is like a big family, you come here when you have to get something off your chest that nobody else will listen to.

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>demand is high
But offer is higher.
I know a lot of artists who's begging for work and when they do, they have no stability.

No, you're low IQ

Takes one to know one

Draw from real life, not anime/cartoons. You have to master the rules of the real world to break them correctly.

Who's an artist you guys look up to?
For me, its Kazuma Kaneko

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I just started tackling that book tonight, and I have nearly jack for drawing experience and it shows. It's kinda fun so far, though I'm only at page 15. Hope I get to draw more than cartoony potato dudes soon.

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Graphiteknight

Or just use MSPaint for 30 seconds, and create true art.

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I wish there were better scans of this book.
The ones uploaded on Mega have really bad colors and a lot of lines disappear on the scans.

>Yea Forums is like a big family, you come here when you have to get something off your chest that nobody else will listen to.
Most wholesome thing I've read all day. Made me feel like someone cared for a little bit.

Since Street Fighter was already brought up, might as well say Akiman. The sprite animation of the 90s Capcom fighters was brilliant stuff.

Id suggest messing around with the book in the OP or drawing the heads and hands by loomis. Do figure drawing after that.

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You may be kind of dumb user, but your heart is full of life and emotion. The world is not ready for people like you. There must be something you can do better than anyone that you enjoy doing, we just haven't found it yet. Don't give up, it may take time but you will find it if you keep looking everywhere

originality in ideas is hard to come by, your ninja design might just look like all the rest
but your direction can be unique
if you really dig deep into what matters to you and how you can put that in your art you could create something unique

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I was above average in every other damn subject though back in school. It helped that this town is ghetto as hell so classmates were like fucking chimps but still. But my fear is that it was only because I tried, whereas the others didn't because when I was force placed into the higher level classes I failed hard. That and I may have memory problems but wouldn't know it because of said memory problems.

I really like Kaneko’s art too, but his human characters tend to suffer from sameface.
Shame that when he started to try to make his faces more diverse, he quit doing art shortly afterwards.

yikes the projection

>tfw I've seen progress pics where the person barely did anything yet continued to draw for 13 years
This is what scares me. I'm scared of being stagnant

Actually mods just deleted a super comfy chernobyl thread like five minutes ago.

Ayami Kojima is great.

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Figure drawing is a whole different beast. If you can pace yourself well, you can work on both the fundamental books and figure drawing. I recommend starting off with michael hampton's figure drawing book and finding a model posing website (life drawing is best if you can find a place.)

Shit, I guess this thread’s next then.

the sameface is intentional
and he only really draws them with the intention that this is how they look in promotional art

the straight and eerie faces add onto the atmosphere he intends to invoke

in short, you know its an SMT game

Despite what the title claims, it's not really a book about teaching people how to draw. Most people should learn how to draw at home or in elementary school. The book is teaching people who know how to draw how to draw better.

I've been drawing for 10+ years and i'm worse than you

It's possible they just dont show all their progress online

You only stagnate if you do the same things over and over again

Not him, but no.

Nah, the dude I saw was practicing everything he could think of (and struggled) and he plateaued in like 2013 or something. Like he moved on the anime phase but he's paintings are still not good with all the time he put in.

Don't give up user. We'll get there some days slowly.

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Motherfucking Shiro Kotobuki, that nigga was drawing without any damn arms. He was the artist for Rumble Roses.

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>But my fear is that it was only because I tried, whereas the others didn't
This is completely correct.

I also performed well in school tests, which fooled my parents and even myself at some point into thinking I was smart, and thinking you're hot shit when you are not is the worst thing that can +.

Memory problems, as I said, low IQ. Sorry user.

I made this a while back, and while it started out as just a dumb picture, I spent more time working on it than I ever expected to, and just wanted to share it.
I forget what the fuck the context that caused me to make it was, but that doesn't really matter.

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>Yea Forums is like a big family, you come here when you have to get something off your chest that nobody else will listen to.
Jesus fucking Christ, the amounts of cringe you redditor tourists put out per post is staggering. I mean it, dude, you should really get paid to make people cringe, you have an actual talent there.

if you want to learn to draw never take advice from these threads

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I just started actively learning to draw too within the last few days too.

I don't know if I will manage to stay motivated when I have less free time (in a few months). It is a big time sink for shit results when starting out. Spending an hour and a half meticulously carving the wrinkles of a tissue and then having it come out terribly feels like a waste of time, even though I know it gets better with practice.

How can you possibly be this dedicated to your craft?

He loves what he does

>You may be kind of dumb user, but your heart is full of life and emotion
I have a friend who works as a tard wrangler, I'm gonna tell him this quote. He'll probably laugh because he's told his pack the same thing when they feel sad.

>Tfw he died in 2016
RIP. Also, it shows how so many here complain about their fucking IQ when none of it fucking matters.If this nigga can draw without arms, then what's your excuses?

Hideo Minaba. He is the whole reason I started drawing

>not having video lectures of his entire course
pleb
But here, have a pdf
files.catbox.moe/mhaxce.pdf

>using the word "cringe"
Cringe. Only faggots from reddit come here to read the latest video game (((news))) media.
Oldfags come here for the junji ito and LOL threads.

t. oldfag

What? Loomis? Is it?

Too busy shitposting on Yea Forums and making off topic threads lol

Yes
youtube.com/watch?v=NU5R7kaLdSU

Akira Toriyama's art style has changed less that he's an oldie who's just changing
but his interests in the tone he wants to set in Dragon Ball has kept changing

Goku always wears a martial artist gi and has spikey hair
we are not going to talk about the anime here and are only focusing on the manga and promotional art he has created for Super
in Dragon Ball the art style is toonier to emphasize the playful and lighthearted story that is meant to be told
Z has a more definition on muscle and power. characters look bigger and are much more angrier to emphasize the focus on violence over humor
Toriyama's Super designs are very controversial but he has drawn characters to look more skinnier and younger. This enforces the idea that this is "new". There is less emphasis on the muscles because there is overall less emphasis on the horrors of battle in Super. FIGHTING IS FUN, and not life and death

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He started drawing after he was paralysed, and found that it's something he could still do.

Drawing is the first hobby I've ever been worried to start, I pick things up very quickly in general, I'm good to great at several hobbies. But i have terrible handwriting and my wrist gets sore rather quickly when handwriting so I'm kind of worried drawing is gonna be the first one not to work out and I'm just going to give myself an RSI or never really progress to the level of technical execution I want.

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Nah, only 2010 newfags think this place is Yea Forums with yotsuba and other manga dumps. True oldfags know this is the place to talk with your Yea Forumsroes about video games, and have a little fun in the process.
You will always be a newfag pretending to be an oldfag pretending to be a newfag.

Peak Toriyama was pretty top tier

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it certainly is something

You just got to jump into user, dont doubt yourself or you'll never get anywhere

This thread has inspired me to finally start taking drawing and art seriously, like I've wanted to for years. I have to sleep now, but I intend to begin practicing after I wake up. Thank you, anons.

Any tips for someone just starting out? I bought that Keys to Drawing book a while back, but haven't looked that far into it.

This only proves that talent matters more than having arms.

I haven't seen a proper video game thread in years.
Just reposts from twitter, youtube, and other news outlets discussing the latest marketing material for bad games.

It'd be nice to talk about video games rather than video game products (like level design, gameplay systems, development info, etc.), but since that's apparently impossible, I'd rather have my LOL threads.

chagoxchago.artstation.com

Drawing isn't just in the wrist. Just make sure to stretch and take breaks every now and again and you'll be golden.

>complain about their fucking IQ when none of it fucking matters
False, my lesser digits on the intelligence quotient compels me to do exactly this:

Use your arm while drawing, it give you more motion and easier to draw lines with.

If you're that shit at it, then why bother starting? You said yourself you've got other things you're good at, so just stick to those. You're not a fucking Skyrim character who can become the king of everything. Sometimes, people just suck at things.

Draw from life, every day. Draw the stuff in your room, set up stuff, draw your hands. If you want to go the extra mile and go in public and draw people thats good practice.

Dedication, not talent.

Here user. You're in the same boat I'm in.
mega.nz/#F!vp5hQCbQ!oCNGOUgaVeK1pHs3qasJDQ
Also this
Though I'm just sticking to the pdfs for now. Gotta get some consistent practice down.

Nigger “that dude” isn’t you.

Draw what you want to draw. Don't let other talk you down. Learn to take criticism.

> but I intend to begin practicing after I wake up
NGMI
Practice now until you pass out.

Jokes aside, there's a lot to learning to draw, but don't let that deter you. Treat it as an exciting journey.
It goes generally like:
Drawing from life (just learning to actually draw what you see, training muscle memory, etc)
Construction (breaking down forms into simple forms)
Perspective.
Figure drawing (capturing motion and expression)
Anatomy.
Composition.
Color theory.

That’s literally everything retard. Giving unlimited time and willpower anyone can be good at anything.

So as far as I’m concerned drawing is hard.

>I haven't seen a proper video game thread in years.
Then make one, mate. I always see people like you bitching and complaing about not enough pron dumps, too many frog dumps and doing nothing to change it. It's always the same shit. Just last week I made an awesome thread about amateur vidya development and that hit 500 replies. Instead of waiting with your ass in your thumb for things your type of thread to come along, fucking make it, nigger. Anyone can do it, you just post a picture and say "How's that game coming along?"

Boom.

It’s a matter of skill, the more skilled you are, the more you get approached for work.

Yes and no?

Everything is a Remix, and the deeping you dig into this, whilst at the same seeking personal self-expression through art, the closer you’ll get at arriving to the core of originality.

Don’t be afraid to be inspired by others, and build upon their work, but also realize that inspiration can come from anywhere, not just other artists. Learn to remix things from outside the medium of visual art, into art, every time putting your pen personal spin on it. That’s originality. For all the things that HAVE been done, there’s still a lot that hasn’t. You just need to push your boundaries and explore new things. TRAVEL. MEET mew people. EXPERIENCE life. READ fiction.

I don't really have a choice at this point I'm getting sucked into the vortex of endless watching of tutorials until I just start doing the thing anyway so we'll see how it goes.

yeah I'm hoping that starting without any bad habits and ensuring only good ones are in place from day 1 will mitigate a lot of issues. I'll make sure to do some research on posture and correct drawing ergonomics.

I just like to learn new things I guess.

Who else here /gmi/?

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What's it like knowing that even with a lifetime of practice you'll never have my artistic talent?

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>your ass in your thumb
eww

>not starting completely from scratch and synthesizing unique ideas through dialectical evolution

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masterful

...

>tfw just draw a comic strip and have fun with it and don't stress over being good at drawing
pretty comfy feeling t-b-h

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You know the drill. Be fruitful and multiply or die whinging. It's up to you to have fun, not everyone else. Later, Sport.

So you're saying that loomis is pointless if you've never drawn a thing in your life?

The draw a box 250 box challenge is actually aids.
Anyone here done this shit when starting out? DO you feel like you learned or improved?
I'm going to stick to it regardless, but it feels utterly pointless at times.

Well shit. Guess I'll get to fixing that then.

It's a good feel.

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The mistake is drawing 250 half-assed boxes and thinking you're done.

I'd suggest buying a Styrofoam box or something from a crafts store, and drawing it on a proper large piece of paper (at least a3), with shading, crosshatching and all.

You'll get more out of it.

Friendly reminder from /ic/ to wannabe anime artists.

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If u slap that Ass it will jiggle

I went with the circles first, legit helped me practice keeping a steady hand.

>The mistake is drawing 250 half-assed boxes and thinking you're done.
I learned that lesson pretty early before the 250 box thing, so I'm kind of going at it at my own pace.
On a good day I feel like I get it, but most days it feels fruitless.

>I'd suggest buying a Styrofoam box or something from a crafts store, and drawing it on a proper large piece of paper (at least a3), with shading, crosshatching and all.
This is a neat idea though, I might try it some time.

that bitch needs to have a ballgag drawn on her

Do you have to do drugs to be a good artist?

All the nips on pixiv just learn to draw anime starting out and never stop.

She is not for lewd!

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Only if you're into expressionism and prog music

Actually yeah, is Loomis a poor choice to start with if you are a complete and utter beginner?

People with reverse special snowflake syndrome are the worst to deal with.

No matter what it is, if you stick to it long enough, you'll get good at it. Even if you're going very slowly it's still faster than those that don't feel the need to progress at all.

i like the part about learning how toriyama took short cuts to reduce his workload

its why there's so many bald and "bald" characters in the manga, because he got tired of drawing hair.

NOT GONNA MAKE IT

Then you will see artists like Moisture who bitch about how they can't draw feet pretty well and then vent their feelings on twitter. Don't learn from just the nips, learn from the greats or do your own style, who cares, experiment and do crazy shit.

>This is a neat idea
Uh, no, it's not a neat idea, it's literally how you learn to draw.
You do this shit on day 1 of fine art course.

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Because it kinda is. Boxes are easy as shit to draw.
Do cylinders instead if you wanna draw shapes for the sake of it, they're much more helpful.

>2hu17
>ZUN is finally a decent artist
user, I'm scared

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He's making it.
Are you?

>there are people who have trouble drawing feet
How?

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>tfw genius level iq and can learn anything i set my mind to
you can too. humans aren't very different. we're extremely unique individuals but genetically we're all about the same. you can learn much anything if you try hard enough, i promise

not everyone went to a hoighty toighty fine arts school

Not me.

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Trips speaketh the truth
Checked and kek'd

The drawabox guy mentions that writing and drawing are separate things, and after working my way through the lessons I have to agree - my handwriting is completely unchanged and still sucks

Flirting

While you losers whine and circlejerk your hugbox I am practicing. Good luck on never making it.

It just means it's not for you. It's funny because growing up I always had a craving for creativity but just as you said, never really felt patient enough to practice at drawing and playing music, despite the fact that people I knew told me they could see I had some solid talent and potential.
Funny thing is, I eventually found that joy of creating in coding. I have no clue as to why, but the simple idea of possibility and the structure of coding was enough for me to satisfy that craving, without feeling like a chore due to practice.

Is that my request for Chad Thundercock fucking a girl's throat whilst forcefully removing her lower half with a chainsaw? Thanks user.

It's more to improve the hand-eye coordination with simple shapes.

There is nothing wrong with looking at Loomis as a beginner. Just remember that the goal is not to draw as Loomis does. Construction and perspective and measuring with your eye are fundementals that take time to build a strong foundation.

Same, used to be really creative as a kid, and started to draw.
Problem is, I enjoy realizing my ideas, but not the actual process of drawing.

Meanwhile, I love music, singing, etc., I can spend hours fucking around in a DAW. But my family was too poor to afford a musical instrument, so I can't play for shit. I feel like I got cheated out of music because of being poor.

Gotcha user. Though I figure, based on what I've heard and read, that I should draw from life before anything else. Also got the pdfs for Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and Keys to Drawing, so hopefully those'll provide some good guidance as well.

Watercolour boys for life.

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What is this?

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NOt true

One last one before I go to bed.
I can't believe it was five years ago that I drew this.

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How much do you earn?

yeah this book man, maybe I'm fucking retarded but I don't even understand what he is trying to explain to me

'bout tree fiddy
Want me to draw something for you?

see

Artists are more likely to have mental illnesses than normies. Pretty much every artist I know through the interne that I chat with either has anxiety issues, depression, ADHD or whatever the fuck else.

Yes it takes years, duh
I don't think this is true the age you start at has nothing to do with it. There's artists that started learning at 30+ years old and still became good. All that matters is your dedication and discipline, and that's the only thing age influences, since it's harder for you to get that invested in something when you're old-er.

Except literally anyone can be good at art
The only thing separating good artists from people that "will never be good" is that one type of person is willing to work hard for it, and the other doesn't want to.

People who have higher creativity are also more likely to suffer from things like depression, anxiety and other mental issues.

draw an ikku

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Starting is the hardest part. For other activities when you start out and are complete dogshit you don't have a physical reminder of how awful you are afterwards.
I never had a goal when starting art besides 'get good'; but why get good? I didn't have a purpose for why I was drawing. I was creating just to improve so my motivation quickly dwindled.
This time around I'm going to first off decide on a passion project for myself and work on that alongside improving my artistic ability so I apply what I learn directly onto something.

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What is this gmi stuff?

It's rather generous to say that, he's stopped bothering to draw alternate poses like he did way back in EoSD and just switches faces around. He's concentrated his quality all into one portrait of the character(s), but in exchange he has less variety for expressions.

It's because happy and normal people have nothing to prove and nothing to say.
Weirdos become artists because they're looking for something, man. Some kind of meaning, purpose that they can't attain in life, and must search for through art.

t. schizo

Some “red pilled” comic I was commissioned to do. Dude gave up after 5 pages tho.

About 2k a month on commissions. Plus my regular job.

>mfw goals but i'm still not motivated to do shit
I have to base my drawing hours entirely on discipline because if I just wanted to have fun I'd play videogames instead

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I suppose that's where having autistic fantasies comes in handy as there are usually nothing available that covers those interests.

Seems decent as a side gig, I already have skills I can fall back on if I get sick of my career but an extra one wouldn't hurt.

>draw everyday
>still shit

>no feet

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It's not enough to "just draw". You need to study and apply what you learned as well if you want to make progress at a faster pace

Where do you look for commissions?

You need to be made of sterner stuff dude, you also have to have some fire in you that drives you independently of your peers and surrounding.
As for the people that are shitting on you are they at least giving some workable criticism? If so, use it.

Should I spend money on going art classes?
I feel like this kinda stuff would progress more smoothly if I had someone guiding me along.

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Botticelli

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It’s not bad. A regular job gives me structure, which keeps me up on point in life, and it’s been an absolute lifesaver. I just moved to Japan, so while waiting for those first paychecks, I was sustaining myself purely on commission work.

These days, Upwork. But in the past I’d get work just by posting my art on Yea Forums. I know of artists that get gigs by posting on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Pixiv as well.

Go to an art atelier if you have one in your area.
Look around for classes that teach classical academic drawing, complete with live models and everything.

Is it anime? It's always anime that makes the big bucks. I can only paint dnd/scifi shit.

yeah probably.
just make sure that they have a set sequence of lessons and it's not you just showing up and drawing whatever you feel like with them going "uhuh uhhuh yeah that's good'

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Damn user that sucks... why don't you try coming back to it with your own money now?
I mean, you might not get the advantage of practicing since being young, but if you do really love it and enjoy it, you could do it simply out of your own enjoyment, and that might actually lead to somewhere nice. You know, the "it's never too late to learn" thing, and all that

Now videogame related.

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>Problem is, I enjoy realizing my ideas, but not the actual process of drawing.
This is the biggest fucking curse.
I will never understand how people even have fun with the process. I have fun drawing but only when I'm creating something I want to see. But then you have some motherfuckers that get insane dopamine from just doodling shit.

Sounds good. Wish me luck anons.

Some good work, user.
>mfw "Giga Maidens"
I don't suppose that was commissioned during the Bowsette craze was it?

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>takes talent and skill
>"hurr I played for 3 hours and I'm still bad at it wtf vee"

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interesting premise that can be very easily ran to the ground.
I quite like this one, it seems a far cry from the drawing you made depicting "The good the bad and the ugly", where the faces looks odd.

Seems you had more luck than Taisuke Kanasaki, he was the pen behind Kyle Hyde and many other characters, CING closed, the last game he worked, released in 2016 as a japanese release only and did not get a big crowd it seems, now I see he is on patreon making 23 dollars, though he does not seem to make that his main gig given he has not posted there since February.

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Runescape PvP

I got called shit at art as a kid and thought art was a talent fag thing. Im not super amazing but im trying everyday.

Talent is not a thing

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The only talent is dedication

>anime
Draw from real life first user, not anime or cartoons first, it builds bad habits for the future.

Yeah, manga. There’s a lot of demand for, and not much supply in terms of people who can make authentic manga.

this guy has almost 8,000 submissions in his gallery, and i'm afraid that if i ever try to draw i'll end up the same way

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Draw and show us. This guy seems decent.

if you can tell that this looks like shit then this wont happen to you.

Talent absolutely is a thing, some people have better minds suited for certain skills, which is not to say that lots of hard work is necessary for everybody regardless or that less talented people can't make it.

That was some videogame some dude on 8ch was making. I posted some of my work in a thread, and this dude contacted me for some character turn arounds and a 2 page manga commission. He was gonna do more, but I think his kickstarter failed or something? I can’t remember. But yeah, he had like a Giantess Fetish or smth and was making a 3D fighter out of it.

Yeah, a lot of the work on that portfolio dates as far back as 3 years, but I just recently made it a couple months ago, so it’s all bunched together, rather than following a timeline of progress.

My personal goal is to make it in the manga industry, and get my own manga published. It’s pretty much why I moved to Japan.

Not necessarily true, when it's your own work you have to assess it's harder to be objective.

Well if is your own manga, but I hope you know about the shitty salaries in the industry, especially animation.

If the process of learning your hobby of choice isn't fun, I don't think it's worth bothering with. Even from a career perspective you'd be practicing for years (doing it for free), and that just ain't right. Nothing wrong with dedicating yourself to something but it should be something you enjoy, given the choice. Hell you'll probably find something along the way while making those things you want to see.
It's why I kinda didn't get into art. I liked gaining perspective on it through attempts and study, but I just didn't have anything I wanted to draw. My first exposure was loomis memes mindlessly spewed at me and drawing objects and shit I didn't care about. I like reading and learning about the techniques/approaches used more than performing the process. Actually performing it was just tedious due to constant erasing.

nigga, aren't you worried that your history on this site and 8ch will fuck you over? cancel culture will ruin your career if you aren't careful

>Tfw your art is not great but you draw a niche enough fetish to get furries to commission you
living the high life.

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>Hurr durr if you want to draw anime you must draw realism for 10 years and never copy anime
You are all NGMI.

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Doesn't matter, what I enjoy is videogames, anime and manga
Two of those require drawing to see them from a career perspective, videogames have concept art and what have you
It doesn't matter if I'm less motivated than others around me, I decided I will get good at art so I'm going to do it
Frankly it's the only thing on this earth I have any skill in, I'm not even smart or good for manual labors, so I'm not going to back out now like a pussy just because other people have it better than me.

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Super Hyperactive Ninja does this in 3D chess style.

The game description in the shop says it's for hardcore gamers, then you see the video and it looks easy.

Then, if you buy it, you play the first and second levels, maybe die a couple times but no biggie. Then the game is like "well, now you know how to play" and reps up the difficulty into maximum overdrive.

Last levels are hard as balls. Also, the cutesy artstyle makes you lower your guard. Game is not a masterpiece, but it's one of those that go for $1-2 from time to time on the eShop.

>when it's your own work you have to assess it's harder to be objective.
No, it's really not, and if you have this problem you should make it your no. 1 priority to get rid of it because it's going to bite you in the ass if you want to improve, no matter whether it's art or writing or programming or any other field.

Average annual salary on volumes alone is $35,000 USD, and it goes up from there into the millions for the top 100.

quora.com/How-much-does-a-mangaka-earn

It’s a lot better than the west if you wanna get into comics, I’ll tell you that.

Nah, I don’t even live in the west anymore. Japan certainly doesn’t care about that stuff, and any idiots trying to raise a stink over me posting on Yea Forums or being right wing will only get me free publicity.

>Getting answers from pajeets
useless

Let me put it like this then, since I seem to have digressed from my point. Why not get better and draw the things you want at the same time? Why not make the thing you want to draw a thing you can practice with?

You are gonna make it.

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I'm the opposite, when I was growing up I had people constantly telling me I was good at drawing, asking me to draw them stuff, and so on. I found I enjoyed drawing stuff for other people more than anything I just drew for myself. Then I discovered /ic/, and found out that I was actually pretty shit. (Symbol drawing, no grasp on perspective, bad at anatomy)
I realised that to improve I'd basically need to relearn to draw from first principles. Except doing studies and practicing perspective was frustrating and I felt I wasn't learning anything from it; and I couldn't enjoy drawing my own stuff any more since I knew how bad it was.
I ended up just giving up on drawing, and I haven't done anything in nearly a decade. But I always drag myself to these drawing threads to beat myself up, and my family still gives me drawing supplies as gifts.

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fuck. I am searching places I can learn graphic design just for that reasson, but after I read your post... you made me super insecure about my decision... I can imagine the satisfaction of seeing your code work after you figured it all out; The feeling I'm making a wrong desicion just gets bigger

>going on /ic/
big mistake noob.

They’re citing a Japanese source from 2009. I saw a couple other websites talking about it. Plus, I already had an idea about it as I’ve been doing extensive research on it for the past couple years. I just forgot the exact figures, but iirc it was 10% royalties. Plus merch, plus your pay for being on the magazine, etc...

>Why not get better and draw the things you want at the same time? Why not make the thing you want to draw a thing you can practice with?
He took the loomispill and has yet to realize his critical mistake.

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>butthurt wall of text by a ngmi weeb who will never actually work in the industry and will draw fetish porn for patreon bucks for the rest of his life
The only reason to draw anime is if you're an actual animator in japan. That's what the style was invented for, and that's the only reason to use it.

And anime style isn't even difficult to achieve lmao. it's extremely formulaic, you can look at a single reference sheet for an anime character and get the gist of it. check me out faggots, I'm drunk on six cans of piss lager and even I can do it.

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Sorry but I'm not sure I understand then
I already draw and study what I want to make, and based on what my goals are. But what I don't get it how you can "enjoy the process"
I can get in the zone when drawing and lose myself in the process, but it's never as fun as playing videogames. What I find fullfilling in art is making something I am proud of, and that feeling is always temporary as I improve.

what am i supposed to be looking at

Is this some sort of shilling technique? your art is fine.

what helps me is drawing random shit and abusing pareidolia.

This was back in what, 2011 or so? There were people actually trying to give constructive criticism for my work and who tried to help. I went other places as well, the concept art forums. Mostly the progress threads just made me feel bad at either the lack of progress I had made or at the amount of time it would take me to improve. It got to the stage where putting pencil to paper just got me angry.

i drew these months, maybe even a year ago i haven't improved a lick since.

were you trying to prove anything with your attached image?

drawing boxes and grinding fundies for 5 years with zero actual payoff

Best art in this thread

How do people improve their art?

I'm gonna be the bad guy here and say your art isn't "fine"
It's cute animu and all but it's pretty basic beginner stuff
But that isn't a bad thing. Everyone has to start somewhere. What problems are you having with learning exactly?

then what i am supposed to do to get good?

1.5 hours "practically every day" is not much
you should practice 5+ hours every day
and just drawing circles and boxes is not practice, that's just a warm-up before you start

i know it's not, i don;t know how to get past the begginer stage.
Loomis is too hard for me

Draw a thing
Compare it to the real life thing or get critique
Listen to what you did wrong
Study the wrong thing, be it a simple correction of something like anatomy or having to focus on some fundamentals
Do it again
Repeat until you die

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I draw 1-2 hours a day and I improved significantly in just a year of taking art seriously.
I think what matters more is how you approach studying and how much you think and apply what you learn.

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Just do furry porn LOL

It's not too hard, I think you're self deprecating
What exactly don't you understand about it? It's the simple concept of breaking down the figure into simple shapes, so it can be drawn in perspective while keeping in mind landmarks.
Show me a Loomis ball drawing, the one for the head, or something.

i'm stuck in a loop where i give up drawing and then pick it back up and obsessing over it... It's really tiring and i'm considering quitting drawing altogether, since i'm now studying some STEM related stuff that is way easier and more lucrative.

I don't know what to do about drawing... Anyone know that feel ?

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>you should practice 5+ hours every day
Where do you find the free time between this, school, and social life? 2-3 hours sounds fine

if you want to be serious about it and get good you make time for it

>you should practice 5+ hours every day
user I have a job

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1. Learn construction (you don't have to do it perfectly, you just have to understand it).

2. Learn perspective (again, you don't have to do it perfectly, you just have to understand it well enough to apply it).

3. Draw the things you actually want to draw. Don't be afraid of copying or even tracing existing artwork you like. Don't be afraid of being bad. If you get stuck on something (hands, hair, anatomy), only then should you dig up your books and grind those aspects until you've got them figured out.

oh, I get it, you want some of that l-l-lewd >///< stuff

have a sad cum, bby

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forgot the webm

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2-3 hours is more than fine you niggers. 1 is too low, but if you don't have time you can make progress with that too
The most important thing is never quitting

Have sex

>1.5 hours for 5 years
>2737 hours
i bet is way less than that,since you need to put your mind in the right state to absorb knowledge so probably is more like 1800 hours(1 hour per day)

why are you cumming on a mannequin