It's time to end this debate

I like turtles

Attached: Blastoise.gif (418x233, 2.09M)

Venusaur doesn't need a Mega to be good, so Bulbasaur.

Redpilled

Bulbasaur > Squirtle > Charmander

fpwp

Why the fuck would you ever let someone pick FIRE when he starts in a GRASS ZONE. Not to fucking mention that FIRE is an INCREDIBLY RARE TYPE spotted only in THE END GAME in very FEW SELECT AREAS.

The obvious third candidate should have been a ROCK type. They're not so rare, they're found in caves. Or perhaps a flying type.

Water is also a rather second level tier type which you find a little bit later in the game, but the advantage is that it isn't SUPER EFFECTIVE AGAINST GRASS, INSECTS, MANKEYS, YOUR MOM, BIRDS, LITERALLY ANYTHING,

You might as well give us a GHOST type as our starter. Or here's the perfect 5 STARTERS; Lightning, Psychic, Ghost, Dragon/Fairy, DITTO.

squirtle for easy 1st gym and stomping through the caves
also grab a butterfly for confusion

Grass type every single game or you're a faggot

Attached: lil grookey fella.jpg (1021x1231, 71K)

Squirtle becomes Blastoise though, who subjectively has the best design but objectively is the worst for combat, mega included.

obviously brock became the rock gym leader in the first gym to shit on all of the new trainers that picked charmander

I thought Chariazard was the worst combat wise.
Especially in the first generation.

Were Gamefreak on drugs when they made this game? this shit doesn't balance out, this shit is literally a difficulty selector.

Attached: 1557602461067.jpg (700x580, 81K)

Was anyone else tempted to sing with it?

Attached: 1557567091144.jpg (1242x2088, 378K)

Squirtle, so I can shit on Charizard fags

Bulbasaur fans are just creepy nerds

I can still smell the chewing gum !!! I still have Vietnam flashbacks of never having the right type of cards to play the card game OR EVEN THE RULE BOOK.

Squirtle > Charmander > Bulbasaur
Ivysaur > Wartortle > Charmeleon
Blastoise > Charizard > Venusaur

>water
>uncommon

Attached: 1543026431702.png (444x440, 311K)

Grinding against Brock is the best way to evolve your starter though

>implying you can go wrong with any of them

Attached: 1371158360949.jpg (680x510, 34K)

I always pick fire types because they usually look the coolest, tend to have high speed and are the rarest among the 3 in wild

Bulbasaur is the best, it will always be number 1.

Attached: carlos.jpg (600x600, 35K)

Charizard gets decent moves though. Blastoise gets terrible moves and is just a generic water Pokemon, like there aren't hundreds of those to go around.

extremely based

Sounds like you just want to get his rocks off

You can't capture water types it till you get the fishing rod.

Bluepilled

>can fly
>breathes fire
>is sexy
You have to be crazy not to pick Charizard

Attached: the best.jpg (700x700, 85K)

>The obvious third candidate should have been a ROCK type.

Excuse me sir do you have a moment to talk about our lord and saviour Zanzarah?

Attached: image4383.png (1638x918, 1.24M)

How can someone get everything so fucking wrong?
>Bulba>Squirtle>Charmander
>Charmeleon>Ivysaur>Wartortle
>Venusaur>Blastoise>Charizard
The only truth there is.

Attached: DuQi0GLUcAAPbV0.jpg (600x600, 71K)

Greenpilled

hold the fuck on how the fuck is squirtle hard mode and charmander easy mode? the first gym is rock type and by the time you get to water gym you should have something to counteract it

You can get a super rod after the 3rd gym, it's not hard to get one in like 3 hours.

I remember how pissed I was in gen 1 how he got all disadvantages of being flying type but not a single advantage.

You start in a grass type zone. Grass love water. Grass REALLY FUCKING LOVE WATER.

Can you farm a boss? no, but you can farm the area before the boss.

Charmander is leddit tier, other two are good.

But you can get a Magikarp before you even enter Mt Moon

Yeah but for the first 3 hours you really cannot own a water type, which honestly is better because water sucks at anything but rock types.

strawpoll.me/17974594

ok? but the first things you fight are rats and birds my very first play though when i was a kid i picked squirtle and had no problems at all

Venusaur>Blastoise>Virgitard

Earthquake is one of the most common moves in the game and his flying type makes him completely immune to what would otherwise be a weaknesses.

>strawpoll.me/17974594
>implying a majority vote would solve anything when the issue that drives this debate is that Charmander is preferred by brainlets (due to his design), and brainlets make up the majority of the population

the debate is over.

Attached: impmon.jpg (474x670, 34K)

>starterfags

Attached: garde hearts.png (344x281, 6K)

If one were allowed to pick between every Pokemon in the game at the start, there's no way in hell that anyone would actually pick the Pokemon provided as starters.
That doesn't change the fact that that isn't the case, and people still need to make a choice between the starters at the start of the game.
Since everyone is going to have to pick one, why shouldn't people debate over which starter is the best, even if there are better Pokemon to be found?

>RGB OU
only Venusaur made it and it was only for a very brief time, Charizard and Blastoise were bad gimmicks who couldn't survive it
>GS
none of them made it, Venusaur was completely shat on by Egg boy with no real niche, Blastoise is shit compared to most other waters, Charizard was....
>Fire types before Gen 3
You might as well just put him as complete garbage for the first 3 gens since Fire Type wasn't saved until physical special split

>RSE
Rapid Spin is important so Blastoise by default is probably the best but Venusaur had good shit going for it with support and could wall off a good amount of the metagame. Charizard....had Belly Drum... in a meta full of Water Types... yeah, good luck.
>DPP
despite fire types getting fixed Charizard is the worst of the three but at this point none of them can survive OU anyway. Venusaur and Blastoise were still amazing in UU, infact Venusaur is commonly regarded as the best UU mon.
>BW
Venusaur. Not even a debate. Chlorophyll is legal and the other gen 1 boys were shafted hard
>XY
Charizard>Venusaur>Blastoise solely because of megas. Charizard is finally not trash
>SMU
Poison is more important than ever to Mega Venusaur is more important than ever. Charizard is the same as XY and handles new threats equally as well

so the answer: not Blastoise

Charmander
>dies like a bitch if tail flame extinguishes
>bitch ain't even a dragon
>lel get Stealth Rock'd son
Bulbasaur
>babby's first pokemon
>weak to Psychic in Gen 1 = worthless
>design inspired by a flower that smells like shit
Squirtle
>absolute unit of a pokemon
>literally unkillable AND has two guns
>mega evolution makes him completely erect

Is there even any doubt?

Attached: ABSOLUTEUNIT.png (894x894, 83K)

Attached: Soulmon.jpg (998x764, 145K)

>>weak to Psychic in Gen 1 = worthless
smogon.com/forums/threads/rby-viability-ranking-thread.3486845/
>D Rank
Venusaur
>E Rank
Charizard

Where's Blastoise??

Charmander has the best porn

he's in the "not Starmie or Lapras" tier. AKA - bottom bin boy of the water types which is sad when that is the most common type

Charmander>Bulbasaur>Squirtle
Totodile>Cyndauil>Chikorita
Treecko>Mudkip>Torchic
Turtwig>Piplup>Chimchar
Snivy>Oshawott>Tepig
Fennekin>Chespin>Froakie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>playing Gen 7

Charmender because there's fuck all firetype to catch in the wild for like the first 10 hours of the game.

>pikachu
>soul
choose one.

Bulbasaur is the patricians choice

10/10 based

digimon is always soulless since the origins

POKEMON IS SOULFUL FOREVER

Bulbasaur will always be the king.

His more recent redesigns, maybe. But the original design absolutely had soul. The designer has literally stated she designed Pikachu for herself and asked to make it rare because she wanted it to be "special."

There are no wild grass Pokemon until Route 5.

based

I always chose bulbasaur. But all starters are awesome, with the exception of Chikorita

Chikorita is based. The problem is it's a support pokemon in a game where kids would rather just do damage.

Gen 2 is stall: the game. It is the complete opposite my friend

>squirtle's green
>bulbasaur's blue

Except Tangrowth completely outclasses it in every way

Stall is only in PVP. For the story people would rather just press Flame Wheel/Surf and OHKO everything.
Tangrowth didn't exist in gen2.

I like Bulbasaur best.

Attached: tumblr_ppo621l5F91y7upzto1_1280.jpg (1093x899, 123K)

Stall

*Laughs in Skarmory*

>support pokemon
>dead to ice and fire

grass is a shit type so all pure grass are shit

We're talking about Gen 2, not Gen 2's remakes.

Squirtle is literally my mom's turtle, the tail isn't enough. You have to wait for Wartortle and Blastoise to enjoy more distinguishing features.

Charmander is better, but still slightly dull. He's good animated where some personality can be added to the tail flame.

Bulbasaur is perfection, as #001 his design is naturally top of the list.
His chimeric blend is classic Pokemon - amphibian, saurian, and even mammalian features combined to make something unique and seamless. Not only does he have the iconic bulb, but also a lovely dappling of spots that lets him stand out among the other starters.

Attached: 141728_minimin12_pokemon.png (350x351, 182K)

Bulbasaur>>squirtle>charmander
Ivysaur>wartortle>>charmeleon
Charizard=blastoie>venusaur

the original design, along with others (like chansey and jigglypuff) were literally made to sell merchandise. at some point, game freak thought they had too many kaijuumons and not enough cutemons to shill.

Squirtle

I have no answer to the question.
Fire starters always have the worst designs but they're objectively the best choice due to early game rarity.
Water starters are the best bros because you can surf with them.
Grass starters always have the best designs.

I recommend boxing. After gen 4 all starters look like shit. Every single one of them.

There's more grass types in both gen2 OU and gen 7 OU than there are fire types.
Hell there's two pure Grass types in current OU and zero pure Fire or pure Ice types.

What about Serperior? Leaf Storm and Contrary?

Squirtle niggaz

>not wanting a chad endgame fire type instead of a limpdick fire starter cuckshit

>Brock
>Challenge
None of his pokemon know rock type moves and they have shit special stats.

The only remotely hard part is Misty, and it's at best comparable with Squirtle when you hit Surge. At worst, grass types are way more common than ground at that leg of the game so you're much more likely to stumble into a bad time at Surge with Squirtle than Misty with Charmander. Additionally, Charmander skates on Erika while Squirtle has a much harder time.

Pokemon isn't hard, though.

Fun Fact: Meganium is the only starter in the "Untiered" range

Squirtle
Totodile
Mudkip
Turtwig
Tepig
Froakie
Rowlet

Attached: starters - water.jpg (1655x2329, 1021K)

Attached: 001.jpg (320x350, 56K)

Bulbasaur is all around the better choice.

Pikachu.

>Yea Forums still buys and plays new pokemon games past the age of 18

I'm not sure I understand. By the time you reach that age you would have gotten bored of pokemon by now

Attached: 1515563217960.jpg (423x600, 41K)

Yeah but in gen2, the generation I was referring to with my post, in competitive it's BL And in the story, it can support your team pretty damn well with dual screens and powder moves as well as being unable to die.
If we're talking about nowadays then yeah sure it's hot garbage compared to other stuff but people hate Meganium mostly because in gen2 they got absolutely shafted by Falkner and Bubsy and it overall doesn't deal much damage.

This is a board for people who play video games.

Yes but when it's time to move on to a stagnated franchise then it's time to move on. Playing video games does not mean consuming stagnating shit.

>Smogon

If you ignore smogon's shit, Venusaur is by far the best with mechanic cheesing on moves like leech seed and sleep powder. Of course, if you ignore Smogon's rules venusaur gets wrecked even harder than the others by mew/mewtwo, who can use amnesia to quickly become unstoppable.

In any case, from a meta perspective Blastoise is just outplayed as a water type because his movepool kinda sucks to the point where part of making him viable is using mimic to steal a better move.

Attached: man making dumb face while other man looks confused.jpg (630x462, 53K)

>461812401
You know, you can post in threads for games you actually like.

>FIRE
>spotted only in THE END GAME in very FEW SELECT AREAS
You can catch Vulpix/Growlithe before getting your fourth badge. Also Flareon.

You've seen nothing yet. Wait for the stagnation that will happen when we're in our 70s and video games have existed for almost a century

It does in 2019.

I'm more of a Magikarp guy myself.

There's no need for debate

Attached: sunglasses-squirtle.jpg (1280x774, 191K)

>gets wrecked even harder than the others by mew/mewtwo
Funnily enough Mewtwo/Mew two shot both Venu and Charizard. Blastoise is the only one that gets three shot. They are all set up bait for them, it's not a fair comparison anyways as only Chansey stands a sliver of hope of beating them.

the quality of the Kanto starters are directly inverse to their popularity
Bulbasaur > Squirtle > Charmander
They're all really good though, only gens with starters that are perfectly balanced and all equally likable are Gens 1, 2, and 4, with 2 probably being the best batch
since they're all single typed and therefore perfect for starters. Gen 3 is also close to being perfect, but their megas ruined their balance by 2/3 sucking, visually.

Attached: 1552085535607.png (460x554, 185K)

Pokemon is so yikes nowadays.

Attached: DisastrousRashDwarfrabbit-size_restricted.gif (1480x833, 3.69M)

I always liked Squirtle, because it's easy to build a team around it at least for in game purposes.

>mega blastoise gets two arm cannons and a larger back cannon
>still fires from the mouth

Attached: XY_Prerelease_Mega_Blastoise_Hydro_Cannon.png (400x240, 150K)

>t. Zoomer who hasn't played Red
Squirtle is literal easy mode, it has barely any weaknesses, learns Surf which buttfucks everything except Grass and fellow Water types which can be dealt easily with Ice Beam and Bite, respectively.
Charizard is pretty mediocre in Gen 1, and Venusaur sucks. Blastoise has pretty high special and is way tanker than the other two, and will still out speed almost every enemy Pokemon because of the way speed works in Gen 1.

To address your early game concerns, wild Pokemon are a non issue, and Squirtle is much better against Misty, because her Statue learns Peck for some reason. By the time you get to Surge you can easily have a Geodude or Diglett, so that's a nonissue.

Bravo Game Freak

>It's gen 2
>it's gen 2
>it's gen 2

IT'S NOT GEN 2 ANY MORE, GUYS.

I don't know if you guys noticed, but they've added 500 plus pokemon since then.

It was decent back in the day, but now it's not. No mega, and there are much more superior Grass starters.

Probably the only gen where all three starters are fantastic and the only fags are the people who don't like all three.
Squirtle is my personal favorite, but Bulbasaur doesn't get enough credit for being one of the only well designed grass pokemon, even after 7 gens.

venushit is garbage and charizard is a scaliebait dragon quest ripoff.
gen 4 is the only gen where all three of the starters are good.

Attached: 1473468069448.jpg (600x239, 34K)

I'll just assume you're trolling

Attached: 1539030072170.jpg (308x450, 25K)

Torterra is a cool guy, the other two are digimon.

I don't agree on venusaur, but I do think gen 4 has the best starters.

ironically, torterra is the only one that even remotely resembles a digimon.

Attached: Eldoradimon.jpg (320x320, 60K)

Yes, and yet the designer decided that in spite of that, she'd rather hide the design from the world than show it off.

Dammit carlos you have to go back

and yet game freak has proceeded to show it off as much as possible for the next 23+ years.

Bulbasaur line is dual typed poison. I think he's part poison right out of the gate too. So that means getting dunked on by Sabrina... though at that point it isn't THAT big of a roadblock.

Blastoise is up there with Greninja and Ferraligator as the most overrated starters of all time. Like a lot of normies jerk off charizard but there is nothing more insufferable than Blastards

Yep, but that's got nothing to do with the designer.
I specifically said it was the *original* design, which was created before they ever thought of making Pikachu the mascot of the series, that has soul. And I agreed that his later redesigns, which were made for the sake of widening his appeal, were soulless. Did you forget that already?

Charmander was picked by niggers and edgy retards
Bulbasaur was picked by contrarians and faggots

Squirtle is the only patrician choice

Brock was only beatable with Charmander if you overleveled enough to learn Ember or if you caught Caterpie (Butterfree learned Confusion at lvl 10) or Nidoran for double kick.

Even then, it's only because his Onix has >Bide and you could abuse it by spamming leer/growl

Infernape needs no introduction, it is the single Pokemon that saved Fire types. Empoleon has a rare typing and an amazing movepool. Torterra is cool but the dude really needs some help

Based and redpilled

typing doesn't matter Misty gives trouble with all 3 of the starters because Starmie is too loaded for that point in the game

>Chad choice
Charmander
>Wise man Choice
Squirtle
>The Novice player
Bulbasaur

Who here
>Still used a bug type on his team
>Trained the Magikarp
>got a shiny

You mean a crude imitator of Blaziken with Speed Boost.

Box them and get better Pokémon.

Attached: Box.jpg (856x900, 321K)

> overleveled enough to learn Ember
It learns ember at level 9.

I immediately boxed them after you get them in X and Y. Gen One is probably the second worst starter generation after 5. 7 probably has worse middle stages but their starts and ends even it out.

>Blastoise gets terrible moves and is just a generic water Pokemon
Did you actually play gen 1? Blastoise can learn Hydro Pump, Surf, and Ice Beam. It has good special and high defense, nothing about it is "generic".

>Earthquake is one of the most common moves in the game
Okay, so you didn't actually play gen 1.

30 pokemon can learn Earthquake in gen 1, that's 20 percent. Sounds like a good amount to me.

...

Bulbasaur
Totadile
Treeko
Chimchar
All of the gen five starters suck
Chespin
Rowlet

Attached: 1546317555711.jpg (371x408, 48K)

>Bulbasaur
>cute
>Ivysaur
>cute as hell
>venausaur
>giant steaming pile of shit
Why

That's not what you said. You said it's one of the most common moves in the game, and that is factually incorrect. I don't think it even shows up until Giovanni's gym, and by that point you're 90% of the way through the game anyway.

Bulbasaur>Blastoise>Squirtle>Wartortle>Ivysaur>Charmander>Charizard>Charmeleon>Venusaur

check em

Attached: 1514786520542.png (500x387, 434K)

only an ape would like any of those pokemon. fucking zoomers.

>talking about the main story like that matters

lmao

mudkip

Attached: 1555795949710.jpg (1280x979, 288K)

Based and bulbapilled. Bulbasaur will always be the superior choice.

Attached: DyvPI85XcAYecEC.jpg (1065x1065, 129K)

I wanna hug mudkip.

Transform into charizard and then send pics of my penis to autistic scalies in exchange for the millions of dollars they are collectively hoarding.

WHEN WILL WE HAVE A STICKY DIRECTING NEWKIDS TO THE CONTAINMENT BOARD

Fire type is absolute garbage in gen 1.
The only worthwhile grass type is Exeggutor.
Blastoise isn't even a top 5 water type.

The answer is to dump your starter and start raising an Abra asap..

>Hydro Pump
Shit accuracy and it can be learned by most water types anyway
>Surf
Fantastic move that can be learned by every water
>Ice Beam
See above

There was no reason to use Blastoise over stronger water types like Lapras, Starmie, Vaporeon, and Gyarados. Blastoise was as middling as it got.

bruh, who needs doctor when you have sunlight

Gen 6, Gen 7 sucks balls and so will Gen 8

Attached: 5CH on the current STATE of Pokemon full vers.jpg (1662x2083, 2.27M)

Attached: 2ch on pokemon.png (2004x2336, 3.31M)

Gen 7 is at least an improvement over 5 and 6. It's still not as good as the old games but it's inching slowly in the right direction.

Thoughts?

Attached: 189-1890298_blaziken-cross-pokemon-blaziken-ag-anime.jpg (820x1334, 248K)

Not as friendly as Swampert/10

Squirpill, water pressure ain't no joke.

When you kill yourself after realizing Pokemon doesn't have something akin to GR15 and it's allowed here too.

Water is the third best type after fairy and steel

Why did Ivysaur evolve earlier than the other two?

I honestly really like the kicking chicken, but for some reason I hate admitting that I like it, like there's some stigma around it, even though there really isn't.

just because you can't have this debate on /vp/ doesn't mean you can have it here
also it's bulbasuar you fag

>tfw mom bought me yellow

Attached: 1531334041177.jpg (340x256, 24K)

I don't know why they replaced the spots with warts and Ivysaur's determined, angry eyes with bulging ones.

Attached: 1540689713969.png (721x600, 921K)

p based

Attached: charizard.jpg (1200x800, 87K)

How about now, though?

Attached: gen1_modern_gamefreak.png (550x734, 157K)

my nigga

Look at it like this
>Squirtle can be replaced by Vaporeon, Gyarados or Lapras
>Charmander, Ninetails or Arcanine

All Venusaur gets is lame ass vileplume, Exeggutor and Victreebel as alternatives

Exeggutor is the superior grass type in gen 1 because psychic AND can do everything Venusaur does.

Pikachu > Charmander > Squirtle > meatwad

eyes not big enough

Isn't Squirtle the speedruners choice?

Chamander for soul

Bulbasaur for EZ first gyms and early grind

Squirtle is for faggots

You must be smoking something, 1 earthquake could kill an Infernape while Torterra dominated the starters in Gen 4.

Bulbasaur > Charmander > Squirtle
But Charizard > Blastoise > Venusaur and Ivysaur > Charmeleon > Wartortle

Gen 5 still had the greatest Poke there is.

Attached: You arent allowed to have fun this match..png (569x422, 175K)

I prefer Combusken over Blaziken but Blaziken is good.

Speedrunners drop their starter and get Nidoking

fpbp

Since when did Yea Forums like Gen 5?

Charmander was hard mode.

Aren't there 2 potential routes?
For Blue it's Squirtle and for Red it's Squirtle and then Nidoking.

charizard is not for lewd. charizard is for training, flying, and hanging out.

I'm a /vg/, /tg/, and /vr/ immigrant in town on vacation.