>make their gayness a core part of their identity >"Why won't this character shut up about being gay, like that's their only personality trait? They're not even a real character. They're a talking mouthpiece that's only meant to virtue signal to the WOKE crowd (that doesn't buy their games anyways)"
>make their gayness a footnote that most players won't even notice if they don't read the background material >"Pffft, this gay shit is so tacked on; it never even comes up in the main story! This character was clearly designed without their gayness in mind, only for it to be added afterwards to virtue signal to the WOKE crowd (that doesn't buy their games anyways)"
So you can't make the character's gayness important, but you can't make their gayness unimportant either? What exactly are you supposed to do?
Literally have them be a normal person and the gay part is side..You are gay and human,you are human and gay
Jonathan Smith
Dont make the character at all.
Colton Bailey
>"What the fuck is moderation?"
Joseph Foster
If their sexuality is mentioned within the first 10 minutes of interacting with the character, it's forced. If the player inquires about, that's another matter. The character needs to be a character first, and gay/tranny second.
Lincoln James
I’ll admit it user.....I just don’t like gay people!
Didn't even know, also, his design is fucking sick, and he's actually good looking. Identity politicsfags are allergic to reprenstation of themselves that aren't preachy caricatures though, so I doubt they like him.
Anthony Rivera
if romance isn't essential to the plot, make it a normal part of the character's routine and conversation. and don't give them an obnoxious flamboyant voice ffs, nobody likes that shit.
Do it like Kirby Star Allies where it's not their only character trait and isn't intrusive to the experience of the game
Elijah Anderson
Have them just be a person and not really talk about sex or their taste in partners unless specifically pressed on it. Character first, sexuality later. There are some excepts to this however, like if the character's a whore.
If you think that gayness shouldnt be a core part of their identity (which is the right to do) then it makes no sense for you to complain when it's a sidenote. It's hypocrisy.
There are some people that add the gay thing for points but not everyone does it. Literally just search more about the creation/decision behind it.
Lincoln Baker
What is considered gay anyway? If O just let a really cute guy suck my dick or I penetrate his ass is it considered gay already? Or only when I have all of my holes filled with dicks?
you don't let homophobes determine what "non-forced" means
Lucas Watson
Underrated post.
Gabriel Jones
Calling for "non-forced" gay characters is just a way to say you don't like gay people without sounding like you're homophobic. It's just a default because it sounds like it makes sense and that you have artistic integrity in mind.
Every character ever written is "forced" in the way people use the word. Their identity, or character, is an element of a story that dictates what that person will do or say and alter, or be altered by, the plot. "Forcing" in the true sense is when a character that has been developed does something that conflicts with what they've been portrayed as. People who claim that a gay charavter is "forced" are just plebs pretending they have culture. This is made clear when they point out how a character who happens to be gay is incredible subtle about it, or it is a footnote and has nothing to do with the story, so it's irrelevant. What people actually mean is that they prefer that being gay is irrelevant. But if the sexual orientation has relevance to the story, then it's not irrelevant, and that angers people who don't like homosexuality.
If a character constantly reminds people that they're gay, and makes it clear as fucking day, that's just the character and there's literally nothing wrong with that.
Anthony Moore
there is a very real different between being gay and a faggot.
most of what we see in videogames are faggots. the only times i've seen them done right are from jap devs.
Liam Gutierrez
not gay
Luis Morales
>the character is just a normal character >his gayness is revealed in one line of optional dialogue It's not hard
Owen Jenkins
>>make their gayness a footnote that most players won't even notice if they don't read the background material >>"Pffft, this gay shit is so tacked on; it never even comes up in the main story! This character was clearly designed without their gayness in mind, only for it to be added afterwards to virtue signal to the WOKE crowd (that doesn't buy their games anyways)" Literally no one thinks this way is bad. Unironically one of the best things about the last of us, even though its a horrible horrible fucking game is how they handled and made a character gay I cant remember the faggots name, but the two mani characters are riding in a car that they got from said fag, and in the car was a magazine and the female finds it and ask's why's it so sticky. Its obvious a little joke, he jerked off on it, we get it, but what you don't get told and you have to ACTUALLY look to see, is that it was a mans magazine, so therefore, hes a faggot. See? That's how you fucking do gay characters, you literally make them a "normal" character but you dont even remotely throw it in the players face that they are gay, just have it somewhere very and I mean VERY vaguely just like the magazine in this situation. Hot tip, having a character being is gay is LITERALLY unnecessary bullshit that NO ONE likes, even actual faggots don't like it because it takes away from the character as a whole. That's why characters that have their entire characters based off of it always fail An example of that is Cortez from ME3, where LITERALLY EVERY TIME you talk to him, it has something to do with him being a faggot. First time you talk to him, "Oh yeah I got this message from my GAY DEAD HUSBAND FEEL BAD FOR ME OR YOU DON'T LIKE GAY!!!" Next time you go to the citadel hes at the bar and he talks to you and says about looking for the right GUY It's so shitty it's not a good character. Fuck this stuff in your face bullshit.
You're all falling into the second point. You know that people will react negatively to a gay character, so instead of facing that conflict head-on, you'd rather have the character hide their true selves from the player, in fear of not being liked. Make a character that "just so happens to be gay" actually means, "We know most gamers hate gay people, so we'll try to hide it as much as possible so it doesn't trigger them too much." Why can't you let gays just be gay?
The real key to making a good gay videogame character is to make them and the rest of your game appeal to your core demographic of young straight white men. If a majority of people who will be buying your game think something in it is good, then you did a good job.
Tyler Miller
Who was the gay companion in New Vegas that doesn't mention he's gay unless you manage to question him about it. Besides that, there's no other indication, he's just a normal guy.
Daniel Wright
> t. Homophobe
Michael Diaz
You can't because the type of people who say a gay character is "forced" will consider any gay character at all "forced"
I'm willing to bet you are the same kind of faggots that got upset when tracer had a girlfriend in the christmas comic though. Fuck off Easy formula Create a character Figure out how gay they are Figure out when they "discovered" they were gay Then go calculate the effect that their gayness would have on their backstory, including how others would have reacted to it Once you have a backstory you do the same for the current character Decide how gay they are, decide how they are affected by being gay in their day to day life (how often do they seek romantic partners, how often do they seek sexual partners, how do their friends/family/neighbors/etc feel about them, etc etc), decide how often those effects will cross over with whats happening in the current story based on how gay the character is Voila you have a gay you're a false dichotomy shilling nigger with an IQ lower than african life expectancy
Mason Parker
Make it about the character and the story, not about how gay it is. And give it reasons
>bringing up one's sexuality in a videogame If the player finds out about it, then it's already forced. Or just an utter shit game.
Bentley Moore
You cant please everyone.
Here's a tip from a fellow artist, though. If you really knew your character and story well, you'd know how where in the sliding scale between forefront and background you should place the gayness, and in that you wouldnt need to ask this question.
Make them gay years later when your game is dying to show how woke you are
Anthony Parker
Why knowing more details about a character is forced?
Daniel Sullivan
I'm more of a Felix Argyle guy myself. I know catboys are like the fast food of gay shit, but junk food is damn good every once in awhile, and there's not as many as I'd hope. It's not like anybody is in a rush to make a decent Schrodinger body pillow or anything...
Make the character pay more attention to men than women during cutscenes and dialogues. >sexy girl appears and everyone but him are looking at her >he's is more concerned about what other male characters think >he acts shy when people start talking about love interests
>Make extremely flamboyant and fabulous male character. >He's also straight as an arrow and is constantly drowning in pussy What are some games that do this?
Cameron Carter
Of course we are not talking about the character literally spelling out all about them in a conversation, but having these details told in different subtle ways.
Bentley Jenkins
I've been in a gay relationship for 8 years. You are a boy molesting fruit who thinks he's cute and has a good point. I can't help but read all your comments with a lisp. Faggot.
Henry Lewis
80% of gays are just normal people that don't shove it in everyone's faces, their life isn't based entirely around benis in bunghole, take a look at Arcade Gannon. It's not difficult to make a non-forced gay character, but too many developers just see a cheap and easy way to virtue signal
Joshua Hernandez
Fuck off faggot, if your personality/being is defined by gay, then no one wants you anywhere near them. Video games are leisure time, I don't want obnoxious bullshit in my leisure time. If I wanted to know about a fucking character's sexuality, I'd ask for it.
"Hi, my name is faggot and I REALLY love sucking dick" isn't "why can't you let them be gay" it's "why can't you let me preach my politics and world view whether you're willing to listen or not". You want to FORCE people to accept you, you don't want them to be given the option. You're not entitled to acceptance, only tolerance, and you're tolerated as long as you stay the fuck away from people who don't want to associate with you. You don't want to associate with straight people? Tough shit, the world is built by straight people, because we're the default state that no amount of politics will change. I'm sick and fucking tired of the vast, vast majority having to bend over to accommodate every single fucking faggot that wants broadcast every little minutia of his fucking life.
Nolan Taylor
My game.
Logan Harris
Thomas from Deadly Premonition for one example on how to do it. Their homosexuality should be relevant to the plot.
Wanting a character to hide their gayness is inherently homophobic
but if a gay character is treated as a punchline out of malice by the writers that are a problem because
of course, there is taste and nuance when it comes to these things
but give me some examples of "good" gay characters
That's also a problem depending on the context of the setting. Like it implies that he is hiding his gayness. If the story goes nowhere with that it means that the writer needed to hide this detail because they wanted to appease the homophobic audience.
I can't think of a lot of people who wear their heterosexuality on their wrist in Fallout so it's not that big of a deal here
but if you have a gay character who's just there for a "very special episode" it just validates that we live in a world where guys need to hide their sexuality. Probably the most important thing when it comes to writing any group in media is to actually have "diversity" because the token ends up becoming a symbol for an entire group in the setting. That could make them a stereotype or come off as an idea of being an example of "one of the good ones"
but not every story needs to be about diversity, but when you have it, be sure to put care into it
Hey faggot, You know straight people don't hide being straight? They also don't ram it down your throat. Well they might, Faggot.
Christopher Sullivan
retarded faggot.
Nathaniel Bennett
King of Fighters with Benimaru, and Street Fighter with Vega.
Henry Cruz
He's not even ugly looking for a gag character
Ayden Russell
Bullshit. I bet you're a 20-something straight black male who regularly posts about how terrible niggers are, but you're in a thread about some different hot-button now so you're switching gears. You're just a bored asshole.
Anyone from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Most of the males in Ikuhara's works Whoops not vidya
Kevin Ward
not an argument
Parker Jenkins
>normal people don't hide being normal shocker!
Charles Peterson
Obsidian did it just fine in Fallouts - just dont make them flaming faggots that dont have any character besides being gay
Hunter Davis
Why does Japan keep trying to confuse our sexuality?
Ryder Perez
>Anyone from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure few characters are sexual at all in JJBA and the ones that are, are the least flamboyant
Xavier Lewis
It was an accurate description, not an argument.
Jeremiah Young
Comedy relief.
Jaxon Morris
>make their gayness a footnote that most players won't even notice if they don't read the background material >"Pffft, this gay shit is so tacked on; it never even comes up in the main story! This character was clearly designed without their gayness in mind, only for it to be added afterwards to virtue signal to the WOKE crowd (that doesn't buy their games anyways)" Says no one except SJWs who focus on being gay as their entire identity. The other 99.9% of us prefer this method.
Ayden Campbell
why should someone hide their sexuality?
Ryder Turner
This piece of shit is the worst thing to come from anime garbage and of course it comes from a shitty gacha game to make matters worse
Luis Roberts
So you're saying gay people are monstrosities because they can't keep their sexual desire in their pants? Ok.
Don't spotlight the fact that the character is gay. Don't do anything that won't organically flow with the narrative just to show the character is gay unless it is important to the story in some way.
How often do we see other characters have their sexuality put on display? We don't know Master Chief's sexuality, or Doom Guy's, but who cares? There is no reason to know their sexuality as it would add nothing to their narratives.
*or shown, or other, too. That's correct, I dislike people deliberately wasting my time.
Lucas Cook
Only homophobes prefer it, because they're disgusted by the very existence of gay people in real life. So when they try to escape to their videogames, and see that "the gays" have followed them there, they see it as a personal attack. To them, it's like the gays invaded their safe space.
your npc: HAHA DICKS PENIS SUCKY SUCKY FIVE DORRA his npc: Evening.
Isaac Rodriguez
>Says no one except SJWs who focus on being gay as their entire identity. Holy shit, this. So many shallow brained idiots subscribe to this idea that they have to act like some cookie cutter stereotype in order to be gay and completely drown themselves in playing a character instead of thinking and acting like a human fucking being. Like if they don't act like a poorly written sitcom character the gay police will show up and revoke their gay status.
Sebastian Long
>People who go out of their way to get mad at something. >People who go out of their way to defend something. Neither of these audiences should be catered too.
Logan Scott
Make them miserable. People don't like token characters because they're always there to virtue signal. "Look at how cool this character is, they're better than you."
If you just make them miserable, flawed and not in any way trying to be better, you'll find they get a lot more lenient reception from an audience who doesn't feel that their inclusion is propaganda or signalling. Make them miserable, with miserable love lives and more miserable futures.
There, that's a relatable character. Relatable in the "oh this is a character I can accept as real", not the tumblr definition of "oh this character superficially resembles me, I am arbitrarily invested." Compare that to every gay, lesbian, tranny, minority character in recent popular fiction, and you'll see where the clear disconnect is in writers and artists trying to put these motherfuckers on a pedestal, and being surprised when the average person sees right through that. They're not the experts in worldbuilding they think they are.
I think being gay or anything in LGBT specrum is immoral and it defies human nature, it should be illegal to publicly endorse this stuff, it's bad for undeveloped minds
Lucas Smith
>gayness is a core part of his identity and his motivations, flaws, and eventual redemption >he still never mentions it because there’s no need to Best vidya homo, prove me wrong
But what does being gay mean to you? If it is just being sexually attracted to the same sex, then that is something completely internal. No fanfare. And for most game where the focus lies not on relationships between characters, it will never come up. If being gay to you is, being sexually attracted to the same sex and outwardly proclaiming that all the time, then that is not being gay, that is being a flamboyant stereotype. And in a game that focuses on something else than character relationships, this is not only superfluent, but also intruding onto what actually matters in the game. The only exception to this being flamboyantly gay stereotypes for comic relief.
Blake Gutierrez
You worry too much about people that you shouldnt give a fuck as they aren't your audience. No matter what they complain about, you shouldn't care less and actually just focus on making a proper decent character.
Oliver Thomas
like rockstar did with gay tony. make dude gay, don't make it his primary characteristics. don't try to write a story with "powerful message" about gay abuse or whatever, just say he's gay and move on with your good and completely manlove-unrelated story
Christopher Foster
Any characters that are straight by day but at night jerk it to gay smutt? Who do i relate to
Josiah Gomez
It's abuse on the same level as grooming user.
Juan Mitchell
There is literally nothing they can do and its their own fucking fault. They're the dumb faggots who put "There need to be more gays in video games" agenda on the table, so now it will always look like an agenda.
If they'd kept their faggot mouths shut and just snuck some cock sucker into a game every now and then, they might have normalized it over time, but instead they made it a crusade against regular people who are going to defend themselves the same way anyone else would.
So way to go, faggots. You did this to yourselves.
>haha Im gay BTW even tho u didnt ask lol >why cant I just be gay? >why dont you like me being gay? >how do we not be obnoxious about being gay in video games? >gay gay gay gay gay >hi nice to meet you BTW did I mention Im GAY lol gee I fucking wonder why people don't like it.. just because the internet and media may want you to believe people are more tolerant of homosexuals nowadays that doesn't mean it still doesn't make the vast majority of us uncomfortable as fuck because it's not natural. ANY presence at all is unneeded because unless it's a porn game peoples sexuality are irrelevant. seriously just fucking kill yourself you retard
Grayson Parker
gay people will die and so will their lineage all because they wanted a dick up their shitter fags can ruin their games all they want with their faggot talk, I've got plenty of games to enjoy that don't shove gay cock nonsense down my throat
>So way to go, faggots. You did this to yourselves. Don't look at me, the vast majority of people pushing this were/are white-guilt ridden, limp-wristed straight people desperate to prove how fucking virtuous they are.
Ian Wright
Literally make a normal person that happens to be gay, and they shouldn't even mention that, you should find it out by digging or if you happen to see them with their couple
Writing protip: characters are shallow depictions of humans. If you make a character gay, it needs to be for a relevant story-related reason, otherwise it's distracting and out of place. The newest MtG novel is probably the best example of doing this shit wrong. >multidimensional dragon fucking everything up >literally marching an army into ravnica as part of a multi-millenia plan to retake the city and become a God >oh and did we mention [one planeswalker out of thirty] had a homosexual love interest? Nobody fucking cares. The readers unfamiliar with the series won't even know who this character is, let alone his OC homosex lover who was shipped for brownie points.
This user had it right. Bill was probably the best written faggot in vidya history, and not because he was gay, but because it was integral to why he was such a fucking paranoid, distrusting cunt. He had a perfect self-contained arc beyond the token faggot shit you get in games like ME3.
It's simple, make their romantic life a non-forced part of the game.
Ryan Kelly
This is so true on literally every level
Charles Collins
they just need to increase the lethality of aids
Lucas Price
How about not putting in gay charactes just because you want to.
Camden Flores
it's the vegan dilemma, even faggots don't care about gay representation it's lonely depressed losers who seek to attach any sort of unique label on themselves that also makes them impervious to criticism or hate or else you're a nazi bigot racist who should be thrown in jail that is their end game
1. homosexuality is a disfunction 2. In healthy society, sexuality is private matter, and even perfectly normal sex life will get you looked down upon if you're too obnoxious about it
Juan Gutierrez
>normal person >gay >normal person >goes to to parks and public washrooms at midnight looking for strangers to jerk off not how normal works
Christian Powell
I think the simple solution is for gay people to not exist.
David Rivera
Long story short: You can't.
But one decent way to do it is to have their sexuality be relevant to a story somehow, but have it NOT be the only part of their personality or history, and the other parts of their personality and history are also relevant to their story. This is really hard to do, though.
Austin Long
Irrelevant. Faggots and faggot supporters all wanted the same thing and a lot of them went about it in the stupidest, most entitled way possible. And this is the result.
Xavier Reyes
Artists always draw alstolfo wrong
like, he has a very feminine borderline "draw a girl call it a guy face" but his body is masculine as fuck, its weird but no one gets it right
Make him gay but make it optional for the player to force it out of him >Hey let's go to the titty bar! >Nah I'm fine senpai you just go without me >1. Ok see you! - 2. Why not? Who doesn't love titties? etc
James Russell
You do it and don't give a fuck about homophobes.
Carter Flores
>normal person >Yea Forums poster >normal person >spends all day and night on a czech string bending image board Not how normal works
tacked on gayness is a problem because its typically done for marketing reasons, it's purely cynical
it kind of became a way of "having your cake and eating it too" you get to tell liberal brownie points who only care about tokenism you get homophobes not complaining because they noticed a gay but then you have gays subconsciously being told that being gay is something they should hide
personally, I think American Dad has one of the better gay representation. if covers more bases than most specifically sjw shows do Terry - the less flamboyant gay who comes from a football playing background. he also had an episode where he hid his gayness from his dad and learned to be proud of it Greg - the more obvious gay with the clear "gay voice" but they subvert him by making him a Republican and the top in the relationship then Roger - the pansexual alien that cross-dresses. sometimes his queerness is used as a joke, others its treated as normal and doesn't get questioned or pointed out by other characters
they are killing themselves off by being mentally ill you just don't get to see the statistics on lgbt suicides, rampant spreading of stds, and realization that all faggots will not have kids and are essentially doing willful population control on their retarded genes all you see about LGBT propaganda is being happy and faggots never do anything wrong come on kids be gay and cut off your dicks if you played with a doll for 5 minutes
Cameron Butler
I love how it's subverted in Ballad of Gay Tony At first you see Tony as gay-as-fuck character, loud and overly cheery, but as you learn more about him, he turns out to be lonely and depressed guy, who can't hold his life together, and his flamboyant persona is just act he puts up to "look the part"
Mason Fisher
maybe that's because no one wants to see masculine bodies. i mean shit user, what are you, gay or something?
(assuming you are male) Romantic or sexual attraction or arousal to entities which are male, or which are intersexed and in which you are attracted to the male parts (e.g. if you are attracted to futadick) Also, willingly engaging in sexual intercourse with a male, or with an intersexed entity, wherein their male parts have some role in the sexual intercourse.
Swap "male" for "female" and "futadick" for "cuntboypussy" if you are female instead.
Daniel Hernandez
I don't mind gay people, I'd be totally cool with a gay man marrying my sister or whatever. I just don't like fags with their "coming out" bullshit and other "camp" retardation.
Juan Cruz
wow, gay AND racist, how modern :^) are you a shitskin?
Xavier Carter
The bigger problem is the people paranoid that every gay character by default is forced and must make a point to convince them that they're not. A hetero character can do the exact same thing a "forced" gay character does but no one would pay much mind to it and not see them as poorly written.
Colton Clark
True homophobes are just as small of a percentage of the population as actual homosexuals. And the vast majority of people just don't care about either of them. But they do care when they spend $60 to escape into a work of fiction and get shame lectures, treating them as if they are homophobes.
Not everyone who complains about this stuff is a homophobe. Most of them are just regular people who are tired of social politics being forced into everything. We don't care if you're gay. But if you go around talking about NOTHING but how gay you are, it's going to get old. Just like if someone met a famous person like James Earl Jones, then every single time you saw that person, he had to somehow find a way to drop how he met James Earl Jones into every conversation. You'd want to punch him in the face because he's so annoying. Not because he met Jones, just because he's so fucking annoying.
That's what SJWs are. Diverting every conversation to some kind of social politics virtue signal. And praising games for shaming people.
>first thing on character creation is determining how gay they are fuck off tranny
Oliver Phillips
creating character for sole purpose of victimization / redemption is seperate level of fuck up
Xavier Sanders
>i wanted or needed the character to be gay to improve the overall story there we go.
Ian Richardson
I don't give a single shit about the sexual proclivities of fictional characters. I do however really fucking hate this pandering trend of manga/anime artists to draw a girl and arbitrarily brand them male in order to get cred from the mentally ill. Shit needs to go.
Nathaniel Bennett
People absolutely fucking despise being told what to do. Forcing people who are neutral about gay bullshit only makes them hate it more. It doesn't help that the people pushing hard for gay bullshit in games have a sheet list of what gay characters need to have (can't be a joke, can't be subtle, must constantly be in your face) and these criteria just happen to be exactly the type of shit people who aren't invested in your bullshit want to avoid. If you won't take subtlety, because it's "hiding their gayness and homophobic" then you can fuck off. The needs of the many to not have bullshit shoved in their face outweigh the need of the few to feel that they're normal. Gay is not normal, whether you accept that or not is up to you, and that's not necessarily bad, but to claim otherwise is sheer lunacy and is the reason deviants are hated in the first place.
Gavin Wood
>token gay character >they're actually a nihilistic douchebag who wants to bring everyone down to his level so they can all suffer equally >he brings up his sexuality a lot, but only to disgust people by hitting on everyone, men and women alike >but their backstory gives them reasons for why they act that way, and since everyone in Nohr is kind of fucked up in their own way, most of them deserve it at least a little bit FE characters can be pretty based. Too bad that almost all their character is stuck in optional supports instead of the actual story.
There's a couple ways to inform people a character is gay without being a faggot about it. >Relationship situation Normal way to bring it up >People treat the character poorly because gay Could be a plot point in a personal story of a character that acknowledges the gay part of them without being hamfisted
Bad Ways >THIS GAME HAS A GAY CHARACTER >proceeds to have flanderized homo character >it's brought up out the blue with no reason other than for it to be shown to the player It has to be a natural interaction between characters in the story, and not just something that happens to inform the player of the homofactor
New Vegas does it right.
Easton Edwards
I unironically felt Cortez in me3 to be pretty well done outside of like one line in the bar.
Adrian Evans
Astolfo is a crossdresser, not a tranny. Let me illustrate you in case you don't know: A crossdresser is someone who gets a boner from wearing a dress. A tranny is someone who's fucking insane.
Juan Jackson
the ratio of cute boys to retarded politics is garbage
i know i talk about a lot of gayness but my stance is if gays are in your story to just "be there" you should probably only focus on what your story/game is really about.
Blizzard has the worst case of this because gays are only there for marketing sake. They write their characters like these "reveals" are interesting details and secrets we're learning about the characters but Overwatch isn't a game where the story matters it would probably be best to not mention anyones sexuality. it helps people identify with the characters better.
there are people would have liked to think Tracer as a lesbian regardless there are people would have liked to think Solider 76 as their gay bara daddy regardless
This means that if you stick your dick in a gloryhole, but you have no idea who's sucking your dick and you picture a girl, or don't picture a gendered entity at all, you are not gay. However, if you're thinking to yourself, "Oh boy I hope a CUTE GUY is sucking my dick right now" then you are gay as fuck.
Similarly, if you are plowing someone in the ass, and you never even bloody check what they have packing, then you see that they have a penis and you are disappointed/don't care, then you're probably not gay. But if when you start checking and you think "Man there better be a DICK down here" then you are gay as fuck. In short, traps aren't gay if you think of them as a downgrade to women (but still good). If you deliberately seek out traps rather than seeking out women, or if you'd prefer your partner be a trap instead of a woman, then A. that's completely the opposite to the definition of "Trap" so you're ruining the semantics, and B. You're gay. Hope this clears it up for you.
—he said, probably thinking about a game that lets your murder people on a whim
Ryan Evans
That doesn't make any sense, being a girl doesn't make you any less of a twin
Noah Brown
Both are mentally ill, but that is beside the point. Astolfo is clearly drawn as a female, and needs to be pointed out as "male" in the media because nobody would know otherwise. This is absolutely just pandering to the mentally ill. Whether those mentally ill are fujos with extreme fetishes or trannies who are deluded into thinking one gender can actually ever look like the other isn't the point. It's still pandering to the mentally ill either way.
Brandon Reyes
killing is how humanity thrived, not being buttfucked
Jeremiah Foster
No such thing as a normal fag.
Michael Bennett
i don't care if it makes sense, it's his actual lore.
Chase Torres
>What exactly are you supposed to do? Ignore Yea Forums
>pandering trend of manga/anime artist to draw a girl and arbitrarily label them male in order to get cred from the mentally ill >implying nips care about brownie points with trannies and arent drawing what appeases nip penis Draw a girl, call it a boy has been a thing longer than you've been on the internet. Who cares? He's cute, a boy and I want to stuff my dick into his boyhole.
>create a character >ruin them by making them gay Why the FUCK would you do this to anyone but the villian?
Owen Thompson
I can fix Bioshock Infinite with gay. Here's how. Remember the part where they jump dimensions for the first time because the main characters are retards who didn't realize it's impossible to carry 10 tons of weapons by yourself? Well, instead of going through a tear and fucking up the plot for the rest of the game, Booker says "Wait, I was gay in the army when I killed those indians" and thus his ass can open wide enough to store all the weapons and bring them to the dindus so they can have their revolution, but at the last minute the weapons malfunction because they got clogged with semen inside Booker's asshole and they get killed by Comstock's army. At the end Comstock and Booker have sex because they are homos but it's ok because they are the same person so it's not gay.
if your explicit purpose is to create a gay character then would the formula for creating a gay character not, by necessity, include the step that actually determines if the character is gay?
William Thomas
>trannies who are deluded into thinking one gender can actually ever look like the other
They absolutely can its just rare and takes some work. Dont worry user, most trans people will let you know they've got a girldick before it gets too serious. They generally dont like being murdered.
Anthony King
The fact this obvious trapposting thread hasnt been deleted is proof all jannies are faggots
Carson Edwards
also, people hated the Solider 76 reveal because you had a lot of straight people identifying with him
character games aren't really ones where people are interested in learning "secrets" about characters
no one in Street Fighter has details of their personal identity be revealed as the series went on, they develop (except maybe learning that Bison wants to be a teenage girl sometimes)
Gabriel Moore
Well I wouldn't make them a "gay and proud" kind of character, because that's already done to death I'd make a character who's secretive about it, kind of distrusting of other people judging him about it, and therefor doesn't talk about it unless pressed or if they trust you a lot.
Wyatt Scott
whats your examples of a good gay
Wyatt Cruz
Japan doesn't give a fuck about this kind of politics. It must be hard to accept that not every single gay character is created for purely pandering certain politics since way before, even in literature, and writers can have million of valid reasons.
Nicholas Gray
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Jose Hall
I didn't say it was necessarily for trannies. It's mostly for fujos, who are just as mentally fucked just in different ways, but still make up a very profitable niche of the otaku market. That doesn't change a single fucking thing I said or in any way argue against it.
Kayden Evans
Bruh
Christian Bailey
I've always wondered whether selfcest would count as gay or not, given that giving yourself a handjob isn't gay. My stance on the matter is "If you're going to make a hypothetical situation just make both of yourselves lesbians".
Charles Jenkins
>They absolutely can No they can't. I've heard this argument a thousand times, been shown pictures of "convincing" trannies and no. No they can't to anybody with even an ounce of discernment.
Matthew Stewart
autocorrect got him? he meant twins of same sex are bad omen, Though I wonder how you can hide sex of your child in a village, where everyone know each other to point where random person on street can tell you what you had on lunch yesterday
Jayden Rodriguez
>trannies who are deluded into thinking one gender can actually ever look like the other I mean, it's not impossible
unless being gay is actually part important of the game (same with other sexual preferences), you don't.
Or do it like Paranorman
Noah Rodriguez
Where did that post mention politics? Stop projecting, fuckwit.
Samuel Baker
>I'd make a character who's secretive about it, kind of distrusting of other people judging him about it, and therefor doesn't talk about it unless pressed or if they trust you a lot.
that in itself is a bit of a cliche like if you have an arc revolving around him hiding his gayness but then revealing it. that becomes a coming out story (which is done to death) if its just a small detail that gets hid to the audience it just enforces the idea that gays SHOULD hide their gayness
you know what would be good? the gay is secretive about everything, not just his sexuality and the sexuality detail is just that, another detail and not a focus. He doesn't hide his gayness because whats been said before, he hides it because other reasons that could be put into an interesting arc
I would definitely fuck ash Ketchum here but dating a tranny is always a bad idea.
Andrew Sullivan
Just put some cute traps into video games. I do not give the tiniest shit if it's forced or not.
Aiden Hughes
>I'm so thirsty I can't tell the difference, so nobody can REEEEEEEE
Connor Rivera
>niggers are good for nothi-
Carson Robinson
>wanting two men to fuck is mentally ill retard >draw a boy, call it a girl is for fujos double retard >this doesnt change anything i said triple retard go preach on facebook nigger
Sir Hammerlock is done well. On the other hand Janey makes me push the day of the rope up my schedule
Kevin Edwards
They've been defending them for some time now.
Literally a loose open can of STDs. And shes aging like milk
Liam Sanchez
Tbh a lot of fujos are into bishies and traps
And a lot of fujos browse Yea Forums
Grayson Barnes
Yeah I'm sure people upload casual, unadulterated photos to social media, especially those fellas who suffer from body issues and are desperate for validation.
William Baker
Is that the saiyan boy from dragon ball super?
Xavier Kelly
I think the problem, as my gay friend puts it, is that homosexuality has become a cultural note and the defining factor in a lot of people's lives. A lot of gays try to bloat their flat and uninteresting personalities by "Being gay"; flamboyant, extroverted, insane and edgy, 'gay'; not grounded and reasonable gay. This aggressive gayness is what pollutes the discourse and poisons this whole well of material. Game devs can either appeal to the militant, aggressive gay crowd whose entire worldview and identity revolves around where they put their junk, or they can not. If they pander, they're called out for pandering. If they don't pander, they piss off the militant minority of loud-mouthed uber-fags whose entire world is "im gay".
desu, if you wanna design a gay character nobody should know because why would they? it's the difference between 99% of protags and chars being straight standard boxed normies but you don't see them go "LOL I LOVE PUSSY BRO DUDE DID I MENTION I LOVE FUCKING THE OPPOSITE SEX AND HOW HETERONORMATIVE I AM"; having a gay character do this is both retarded and should be offensive to non-flamboyant gays.
they're there to slay a dragon or shoot fucking lasers at aliens, they don't need to (and wouldn't be) ranting about where they shove their dicks and what their preferred pronouns are. nobody would care. more important shit to handle.
Matthew Bell
Just make the character and how they act to the story first, or make him entirely separate as an NPC joke. The thing is you don't need to shove in their sexuality unless it comes into play
Like two guys fucking for the sake of having nothing else to do, no homo
Being genuine here, but shill me on abusing trannies. I find lgbt+ to be disgusting and pathetic, but what's the point in killing them off? Is it the fear that it will spread?
Alexander Cruz
>tfw a gay/trap/tranny thread lasts longer than a projared thread
>Thread topic and title >Picture is an omnivore bisexual
Sasugo OP you are indeed the big yaoi.
Wyatt Kelly
Yes, yes, very good angle. Now show hands and the none existent hips. Tits, ass, and face are a worthless measure of femininity in this day and age, since you can cover them in pounds upon pounds of silicon and plastic.
Isaiah Russell
the push for the "gay identity" seems mostly as a reaction to gay kids who grew up with overly flamboyant characters being their representation
those characters were all made as jokes on the gays expense. when you're a kid you don't realize that. and gays want to reclaim that identity like how trannies do with Ursela
and the only other representation was the gay who hides it and has a "coming out" episode
who's more worth looking up too? the LOUD AND PROUD gay who's comfortable or the gay who's moppy and ashamed of themselves
Gavin Rodriguez
Probably. If you study roman history or pre-ww2 german culture a little, you'll see that the prevalence of LGBTQ+ nonsense and the false song of 'equality' being used to silence and hurt the builder-class/groups who created the systems is always a forerunner to the tumble-down of said systems, republics, etc. look at how many kids are being tranny-fied right now, the exponential rise in self-identification with other-genders-than-two, etc. it's a slippery slope whether we like to say it or not, and i'm not the guy you responded to, but i see the danger in culturally embracing degeneracy and teaching it to children.
Leo Jenkins
the only good gay character is gay tony from GTA 4 stories
Thomas Parker
Vidya characters are usually extensions of the game's core themes. They should have character arcs that relate to those themes. This is why everyone praises Kanji Tatsumi from Persona 4, even though he isn't confirmed to be gay, his story arc about sexuality fits in with the game's themes and makes his character valuable to the story as a whole.
Dylan Stewart
have molestation in their backstory as that would make it realistic
Kevin Robinson
Theres your proof. Army is full of sluts both gay and straight.
Btw. Army won't dare to enforce any regs on trannies in order to stay PC. She can wear all the makeup she wants
>He has STDs >dude just trust me Guess he doesn't, gonna keep beating off to him
Dominic Wilson
>tfw he deleted all his nudes, then came back, then deleted them again.
Isaac Allen
i think you're making a decent point but sort of missing the elephant in the room; you shouldn't "look up to someone" because they put their penis in another man. the sexual preferences of a person shouldn't be the major defining factor of their quality as a person, and the wackadoodle gay "PRIDE PARADE" crowd are the ones pushing that it is, because they've nothing else to stand on. >Hey son, respect me because i've accomplished much with my years and opened businesses, had wives, lived and suffered and had victories has become instead >SON, WEAR THIS LEATHER THONG AND REPRESENT HOMO-PRIDE, ME AND MY NEW BOYFRIENDS ARE HAVING AN ORGY LATER AND LOL WE NEED BETTER #REPRESENTATION, FUCKING CIS MALES OPPRESSING US, LETS CUM IN EACH OTHER, THIS IS ALL WE HAVE AND ALL WE ARE ya know? a tad hyperbolic but you should get the point. we shouldn't be idolizing people or creating an entire persona of something as trite and retardo as sexuality, and that's what offends folks like me about shoehorned degenerate characters
Thomas Stewart
Okay guys serious question for a serious thread. I fap exclusively to astolfo doujins but I'm only attracted to women and I don't wanna fuck an irl trap or anything. Am I still gay?
Don't If you don't want to do a gay romance And even then good fucking luck doing a gay romance in *current year*
Asher Rivera
The fag in Dragon Quest 11 made it the worst game in the series.
Matthew Green
>dude just trust me Really convincing arguments
Liam King
make a normal character, and make the only way you discover he is gay by talking to him about stuff etc until you start talking about something lewd or whatever just like normal fucking people Seriously why cant people get this, dont force that shit
>Those hands >sideways to hide hip to shoulders ratio >white knighting a tranny oh no no no no
Kayden Bell
literally who cares
Jason Sullivan
>n-noo stop ruining my world view!!!!
Owen Harris
>Schrodinger based Hellsing chad
Carson Ortiz
>people still dont know how to make a gay character in the year 2019 dear fucking god, are people really this retarded ? just look at the gay characters that people actually like and then at the ones that people hate and you will realize how to make a good one
Ironically chimp level brain. Chimps are primarily focused on killing and nothing else. The balance between sex culture and war is what made humans superior to chimps and other apes.
Hunter Williams
look at a real life crossdresser and see how your dick reacts in the end who cares, no one else will know but you
Evan Carter
thats absolutely true but that happens because people who feel outcasted will often look up to the people who share something with them
and gays will feel less connected to a character when the differences between them get more and more focused on. like yeah Spider-Man is cool, but then get gets an entire arc dedicated to his girlfriend dying and how much he loved his girlfriend, he has another girlfriend, and he really loves his girlfriend. he then marries his girlfriend, he has a child with his wife, but then he takes a deal with the devil and loses all of that and now his wife is just his girlfriend again
you can still think Spider-Man is cool but he becomes lses of an idol when its clear he's nothing like you as a person
plus people have a way of doubling down on things when someone says its bad "oh you made this overly flamboyant guy to make fun of gays, WELL WE'LL SHOW YOU, WE LIKE BEING FLAMBOYANT!!!!" stupid but happens all the time in all groups
Good gay man example in games >The guy in The Last of Us >Helps you out >Does not bring up he is gay till you look inside his house and see pictures on the wall. >He starts to cry because he has no idea where his husband went or if he is dead. Bad example of this shit >Mass effect:A >"Hi what brings you on to the mission" >I am trans, thats ma dead name Subtlety that is what you do. Probelm is you san fran hipster fucks need to be SEEN with this shit instead of just being fucking normal about it. So you have to make big song and dance about it and fuck it up and all you are left with is token gays.
Kayden Rivera
Yeah, but what about the cock
Juan Sullivan
i'm not trying to say nobody should care about your post, i'm saying you shouldn't care about what's technically gay or not
Most of the societies who took on those practices, it was the elites who started it. In ancient China and Rome, the elites were doing it and the plebs started copying them. In pre World War Europe however, the elites stayed away from that stuff, but encouraged the masses to take it up.
Western society is currently repeating the latter. The politicians and media are encouraging the lower/middle class to do all this crap, to cause disunity. Which makes it easier for them to rule us. Divide and conquer. But because it is so obvious, going against what we were taught for multiple generations and not what the majority of people want, people are starting to fight against it. I hope we can be the first society to stop it before the cycle completes.
Christian Williams
Submit to Astolfo seems better
Christian Jenkins
>the ass was fat
Jose Fisher
Based Redpilled
Matthew Green
>Literally have them be a normal person and the gay part is side..You are gay and human,you are human and gay Hey smartass, that's literally how they do it in modern videogames and it's fucking annoying
>go to female npc >Hey guys can you find my wife? Makes me roll my eye
If anything presenting it as normal is much worse. If everyone reacted like " Wait...WIFE? Whaaaaaaat?" Then it'd be a thousand times less repulsive
Landon Nguyen
Why not just fuck a flat girl at that point Also in what world is the sack not visible from behind?
Connor Lee
>3.) Lesbian (the cute anime kind) Yup, fanservice is the way
then you are clearly going to suck a cock you retard, anyways who cares about sex when you can just masturbate
Gabriel Sanders
One example of bad I'd say is moongirl from presequel. One of her first lines is I turned him down cause I'm not into dudes. Now imagine if they had gone more subtle and had her say he's not her type, then in later interractions flirt with fem chars or athena since we know they marry.
Sebastian Rivera
they did all the time in older cartoons HIM from PPG the Silver Spooner (yeah he was a one off character from a banned episode but counts when i'm spitballing) Ursela (who isn't specifically gay but is based off a drag queen, so she's very coated as QUEER = BAD) and James from Pokemon, hes not actually gay but he enforces that the behavior is bad
Adrian Carter
I dunno. I generally love gay characters in manga. Vidya its usually hamfisted. Just make them really nice and slightly flirty with other guys. Dont need the generic gay shit. Maybe mention it once. Looking over this thread though it looks like this is some discord tranny shit so fuck off.
Brandon Hall
>make typical woke homo character that can't shut up about their homosexuality and use they homosexuality as punctuation whenever they speak >people are miffed and annoyed As they should.
>make character homosexual after it's been perceived as straight for 2 years thanks to your portrayal of it as a stereotypical father figure though skins, poses and voice acting >people get upset and say it's tacked on to boost publicity of your increasingly irrelevant game As they should.
Guys have better personalities than girls. After fucking them raw, you can play vidya with them while you cuddle afterwards And how can you see the sack when your dick is in front of it while you're ramming their asshole? There's is no perspective where you can see their sack from behind while fucking them.
Why a tranny and not a boy who will not kill himself after some years?
William Brooks
Most creative types have an ego the size of the sun. And try to actively do the opposite of what previous people did, to feel like they're being "original." This is especially prevalent today, with media obsessing over remakes in everything. But when they remake something, they end up doing the exact opposite of everything the original did. To "subvert expectations." Which is just a fancy way of saying "I want to do everything different to be creative." Which means they shouldn't be doing a fucking remake.
Anyway, the point is, most creative people lack awareness and self control. The few people who have talent, creative vision AND awareness are the ones who make the good products. And there's very few good products coming out of the west these days...because they keep hiring SJWs straight out of college to head major productions.
Gabriel Morris
Basically, if they try to actively make you think about the fact that they're gay, it's forced. If someone is like "yea, Jim told me about that shit awhile back" and someone is like "the fuck is Jim?" and he's like "he's a good man, I love 'em". Then you see a picture of him and some guy, or maybe find a note that makes it obvious, idk. It's less a problem with gays being forced these days as it is with writers lacking any sort of writing ability/subtlety. They feel like they have to just directly tell you EVERYTHING.
Owen Rivera
What if What if you just learn to write a decent story in which the MC and love interest meet up in a peculiar way and by fighting/staying together they develop feelings for each other, coupled with a reasonable background for each character without it being too long or too filler compared to the main story and giving them some kind of personality progression throughout the entire game Wasn't so fucking hard now, was it? Doesn't even matter the gender or race, just learn to fucking write.
William Young
user i agree that guys are hotter then women and blah blah blah, but come on you can fucking see their sack if you are fucking them
Jayden Mitchell
Why can't you faggots just admit you hate gay people, instead of making up shit transparent excuses?
It's pretty obvious but that's why you shouldnt give a fuck about them, it's not that hard.
Kayden Howard
Because they are civic cucknationalists who watch Gavin McInness and Sargon of Akkad, and fine with every sin and crime as long as it doesn't break the law
Brandon Stewart
just make a character with good writing. but even then most writing for video game characters are ultimately shadowed by the gameplay. so just stop being a fag and thinking that just because you write a character who has abnormal traits means that it'll be amazing and everyone will enjoy it because it's "different".
I have no problem with gays, women or black people I just don't want to see them in any form of media, be it video games or film, and if I I see them, I will complain about their existence.
Liam Ramirez
>Hey smartass, that's literally how they do it in modern videogames and it's fucking annoying No, it's not. The way they do it in modern video games is the same way they do it in movies and TV. Situations where the characters look straight into the camera and pontificate about their identity, then shame the audience. And every story situation with them after that is about how the gay character is oppressed/abused/ignored/[insert some other victim situation here]. And the straight characters (99% of the time a white male) are always the aggressors/bad guys.
Bentley Wood
Astolfo is just a futalite in 99% of doujins. He wasn't designed for gay people.
Hudson Edwards
the big think for this
Benjamin White
Now that that issue is cleared up, how do I go about banging a femboy
Eli Hill
Receiver Oktorok
Noah Wood
just make the gayness a single facet of his character and dont make it gay for political reasons whoa you guys are very smallminded, gays dont get special rights and any character designed out of shitty pandering is a shit character wow racist too not woke at all
Levi Young
Except they don't They just say "Hey it's my girlfriend" or "Oh no my husband died" What you describe almost never happens, not even in shit like Life is Strange
Brody Price
>>go to female npc >>Hey guys can you find my wife? >Makes me roll my eye why ? thats a completely normal fucking question
Anthony Wood
It's funny watching naive puritans justify genocide for mundane reasons. Faggots have existed and will always exist in sizable numbers whether the government says they exist or not. The fact that you even clicked on this thread proves you're already huge faggots.
Landon Lopez
There need to be explicit gay sex scenes.
Easton Reed
>wearing boy underwear under the dress cute
Nathan Garcia
It should only be extremely blatant, or extremely hidden. If it isn't hidden it should be a part of the narrative or world building: think a mission where you break into a celebrity's mansion to retrieve an object, you make the celebrity gay to solidify that liberal celebrity atmosphere, and potentially show that they live in a different 'world' with different norms and standards.
On the other side you have extremely hidden, not just some dialogue option you get to through exhausting everything, but things like mind reading, secret notes in journals/emails, or late night rendezvous you can discover. Typically you would do this when their exterior actions betray next to nothing, and you want a kind of 'dark secret'.
Another example of blatant done well is just having a setting full of gays. If you have a cyberpunk or far future setting and no one is unapologetically gay then why? The setting was expected to be more liberal and utopian, but isn't, what is the setting like and what made it more conservative (think 40k).
SIr Hammerlock from Borderlands 2 is the best subtly fag character in any game yet.
Isaac Rogers
Being gay isn't normal, stop normalizing it You literally become gay from being told homosexuality is normal. Kids adopted by gays are much, much more likely to become gay themselves
Justin Morris
I'm not a puritan nor did I say anything about killing anyone. It's funny how people like you have to turn moderate arguments into an extremist right thing. Because that's the only way it can be counter to your extreme left mindset.
Oliver Ward
1. Don't make being gay the literal point of the character. Sexuality is only one of many traits that a real person has, so you absolutely need to include and explore a lot more if you want to write someone as believable. Having the story center around a relationship helps, because there's many things you can explore irregardless of the gender of the characters.
2. Make sure that you're coming from a genuine place. Are you doing this because you think it would be interesting, or because you're gay and genuinely want to make something that appeals to you and other gays. Or are you just fishing for woke points?
3. Come to the realization that 'Forced' can mean many different things to a lot of people, and some (many of the replies in this thread included) seem to think that if the fact that a character's not straight isn't hidden somewhere in five hundred pages of an obscure book way off the main path, then it's 'Forced'. Sexuality is an aspect that you should be able to explore in a narrative like any other, and making it a core part of a story isn't wrong just because some /pol/ LARPers say so.
4. Come to the realization that there's going to be players who won't enjoy any inclusion of gay characters, and accept that. There's many reasons why someone might not like it, and not all of them are from a place of direct animosity or bigotry. Take the stance that if someone doesn't like it, they don't have to buy the game. Don't be too urgent to be vocal or militant about detractors being homophobes. You won't win over the more center-aligned people to your viewpoint if you do that.
I don't know if there's anyone here who was looking for actual advice, but I hope this helped if so.
>entire response is to a post about killing faggots Sounds pretty extremist to me
Andrew Evans
you can't the people that want them excluded will never be satisfied the people that want them included will never be satisfied
just say fuck em all and make the character as gay or as not gay as you want fuck Yea Forums
Kevin Parker
>They just say "Hey it's my girlfriend" or "Oh no my husband died" Watch one episode of Supergirl. You'll change your tune.
Xavier Rivera
it genuinely isn't, gays at most make up 3% of a given population now that doesnt mean they dont deserve to be treated like human beings but distorting people's perception through propaganda is misleading and unethical
Aaron Perez
Every human should reproduce. Being gay means you cannot reproduce.
And inb4 muh barren women or some shit, if there was a drug that made women fertile you'd be heralded as a hero, if you made a pill that cured gayness you'd be sent to jail
Michael Richardson
Ban anime, ban video games and then ban society. Revert mankind back to its purest form so that homosexuality can only exist between 2 faggots and not as a culture.
>if you respond to someone talking about killing people, it means you belive in it too! Even if your argument never mentions it or actively counters it! Yup, the extreme left mindset in all its glory.
honestly don't bother unless romance aspects are part of the game. People who demand represenation of every minority under the sun don't actually care about games, they just need something to either rub their tummy about and tell themselves what a good ally they are, or something to get mad about because they don't have anything else in their life. Does a game primarily about shooting guns need a BK kids club rainbow of diversity? fuck no, it doesn't matter, the guns need to work. Does a game about beating the shit out of thugs need a side character to openly admit he loves cock? fuck no, unless the devs want to add a romantic aspect to it, they're just wasting time and resources to appease some goof fuck on twitter who wasn't going to buy their game in the first place. If you want your game to have romantic aspects though, yeah go ahead put a homosexual rep in there, throw your deranged tranny in there too who gives a fuck, it'll give players some options and maybe positively affect the game overall
Cameron Howard
That's you thinking what you see in front of you is the truth since you want to believe your team is winning. Statistics say nothing when everyone is still insecure about admitting their homosexuality. The flamboyant faggot parades are a vocal minority but not in the way you think it is.
Ian Collins
>Statistics say nothing so you're just going to go full anti science then ok cool
>being gay means you can't reproduce >so lets force gays to reproduce so we can have more gays I'm not following your logic
Blake Green
kys faggot
Joshua Hernandez
why do you guys care so much about what other people do while having sex ? >YOU NEED TO REPRODUCE REEEE we already have 7 billion faggots on the world, no need for more until we get to mars or some shit
Actual science says gays are absolutely normal in nature and has done little to affect animal populations.
Noah Ward
Most gay people I know are >flamboyant >normal The second type usually just say things like >my ex BOYfriend like that movie/game
Nicholas Davis
bend over gayboy
Owen Phillips
Why are trannies always so desperate for attention anyway?
Henry Phillips
People don't become gay, being told that gay people exist doesn't change someone's sexuality. If you "became gay", you always were but didn't realise it.
Brayden Wright
>every character ever written is "forced" Reign in the deconstructionist bullshit
Carter James
ok give me a source then because i already know that's bullshit and it isn't going to be comparable also humans are massively different from regular animals in many ways
Nathan Wright
And you're going to ignore his argument? He's kind of right. Polling is not precise even in the best of times. But asking highly invasive questions like "are you homosexual?" never works. Because most people won't answer truthfully.
This is why all the political polls don't work either. They ask a question like "Would you vote for Trump?" And 80% of people day no. Yet 48% of people end up voting for him. Clearly a lot of people said no on the poll, because they didn't want people to know they would vote for Trump. It's the same thing asking people if they're gay.
Ayden Richardson
>this entire thread >people actually dancing in the palms of OP's cum stained hands, giving him what he wants >info on how to include more faggots in video games has been obtained
Can someone tell me again why it's such a bad thing to be homophobic? Yeah I don't like you QUEERS one bit, and if you've got a problem with that, then tough shit. You're all freaks. You've never been a normal group of creatures in society and you never fucking will. You'll always be hated, so instead of desperately trying to claw your way out of your cages, why not just be content with where you've gotten? On the bright side (for you) you fags aren't being lynched in the streets in sight anymore like the good old days, so show some appreciation to the people who allowed you to breathe.
Jackson Perry
Based
Lucas Morales
>People don't become gay
Imagine actually believing this
Tyler Gomez
You already said you're going to know it's bullshit so it's clear your mind is already set. This is the most predictable argument ever and I'm not sure if you realize you're the type to be easily manipulated by government propaganda.
inb4 >lol ok you have no source so i win Yeah sure here's your brownie points for thinking you're smart for a few seconds on a chinese dog cooking board.
>highly invasive it's not highly invasive though the last 20 years of propaganda have made that clear, LGB people are pretty much treated like any other person by most of western society
of course there's problems with polling but it's genuinely the best we have so i'd rather take that than just some guy and his anecdotal of "lol it's just normal btw" fuck off with that, especially considering the many comorbidities and deviant behaviors like bugchasing that come along with LGB
Dylan Morris
do you really think gay people would exist if they could choose their sexuality ?
Samuel Morris
>>lol ok you have no source so i win yes literally this >dude lol fuck it our discussion didnt matter anyway lol ok man have a nice day
Sebastian Lee
retard
Bentley Nelson
It literally isnt.
Aiden Johnson
It's funny watching degenerates justify the heat death of civilization for mundane reasons. Faggots have existed and will always exist in sizable numbers whether they're pandered to and embraced by cultural zeitgeist or not. The fact that you even responded to the above post proves you're already a huge faggot.
Nathan Morris
>LGB Hmm...I wonder who could be behind this post
Evan Hernandez
Glad you agree that homosexuality is perfectly normal.
Hudson Allen
someone who actively considers gender dysphoria a mental ilness and also sees that it isnt universally accepted as normal by western society
or are you going to say im a terf now or some dumb bullshit
Justin Parker
Shut up tranny
David Lewis
Thanks doc.
John King
What a stupid argument, you should honestly just go kill yourself right now if you actually think that way. People choose to do dumb shit and make awful lifestyle choices despite what common sense would say. People chasing aids, people indulging in retarded fetishes like eating shit, getting their body parts chopped off, hooking themselves by the skin and hanging in the air, do i really need to go on? All of those things are fucking retarded and make no sense but idiots still do it in pursuit of some warped pursuit of pleasure.
Joseph Morales
have sex
Alexander Smith
>ugly tranny telling others to have sex lmao
Colton Sanders
Is his gayness ever mentioned in daddy nier or is it just the nip version?
Hunter Cruz
>ugly tranny calling others tranny to hide the fact that he's a tranny
Elijah Rogers
Don't make them obnoxious. Subtly suggest that they are gay. Don't make them gay for the sake of being gay. Give them a sound reason for being gay. Their sexual preferences should only be a facet of their identity. Not their entire identity.
(I haven't read the thread so if someone already posted a similar suggestion then I'm sorry).
okay i still haven't seen a good answer to whether it's gay to fuck a trap or not, is nobody trying to figure this out?
for now i'll continue to err on the side of caution but please tell me somebodies working on finding an objective solution to this
James Martinez
If you, as a person, use your sexuality as a defining characteristic, you are a deviant. Not because you're a homosexual, but because you make it a defining part of who you are, you enter the room letting everyone know you love sucking dick and taking it up the ass. Any time you ever bring it up, it's all about sex. It's never about life, or living, it's about sex. It's same sex fetishism, and the homosexual community doesn't see this as the problem.
Your ignorance to this problem doesn't make the problem go away. Your gay pride parades where you deepthroat a yardstick isn't impressing anyone. You're not making any allies from people who weren't your allies in the first place, you're just making your enemies more convinced that you're a degenerate-
And once again let me repeat, it's not because you're gay, it's because you choose to make being gay your defining characteristic. You are an overly sexual degenerate and it is not for polite company. Your parades are disgusting, your characters in literature, animation, theater, television, and videogames are often disgusting. Your argumentative natures are often disgusting, and you often troll the internet looking for a fight and then play the victim after people call you out for being an antagonizer.
The people who like you aren't going to like you more if you double down on your loud faggoty ways, you will gain 0 more friends this way, and you should stop trying if that's really what you want. Continuation of this method of discourse is basically admitting all you want to do is make your gayness the center of everyone ELSE'S lives as well as your own.
Keep it in your pants and you might be considered human.
If you're aware that they're a man with a penis, it's gay
Christopher Collins
Easy, don't put gay people in video games
Benjamin Jones
of course you fucking retard >is it gay to fuck a man YES
Luke Fisher
If you're aware that they're a boy, then yes, that's gay, and yes, that's fine.
Cooper Bennett
Given people are getting sex changes just for 5 minutes of social media attention, I can believe some people would choose a gay lifestyle for attention.
It's also been proven by psychiatric doctors that a fair portion of people who identify as homosexual have the root cause of it tied to something like sexual abuse or sexual confusion. They are not inherently gay, but chose it. I know multiple people who do this, as well as others who choose to be bisexual. All of them have the same issues of growing up in a bad home and being sexually confused as adults.
I have yet to meet anyone who discovered they were gay during puberty. All of them either were coached into being gay before puberty (again, sexual abuse in the home) or "discovered" it in high school/college.
Hunter Green
Why can't you just be gay somewhere else and stop whining about it
Noah Brooks
Boys are better girls and girls are.
Easton Taylor
A normal gay character in a normal game will be completely indistinguishable from straight characters. The vast majority of games at the most have a romantic interest for the protagonist who by all accounts would be expected to be straight given that homosexuality is a minute minority, therefore the sexuality of most other characters is simply presumed and not defined. In this context, you can't make a natural gay character, it's a game about fighting bad guys and saving the world nobody cares if Cid or the Adoring Fan or whoever likes sucking dick. In a game like, say, Dragon Age or Mass Effect, for some stupid reason everyone cares very much about the romance options, personally I think they're shit and tacked-on by design but if Dragon Age Inquisition didn't have shit writing and pathetic characterization of the gay characters, they would fit right in.
Hunter Brooks
Based.
Noah Edwards
I wish I could find more sexual degenerate gay characters in games. Gay characters like to shout that they're gay but they're completely vanilla.
Chase Scott
its almost like being homosexual isn't normal and will never be no matter how much people insist that it is
Hunter Reyes
>include a female villain who seduces men into doing her bidding >she has no effect on the gay guy
Eli White
You should try more modern games where they use lesbians as advertising material.
Logan Cook
Imagine being so shit with women you unironically delude yourself into believing this
If you are gonna put a gay character in, make them the flamboyant type. Love them
Hunter Johnson
>tfw has been in relationships with many girls >tfw formally married >tfw have a child >tfw now have a trap gf
Boys are better girls than girls.
David Moore
>they use lesbians as advertising material You mean what they've been doing for decades?
Ryan Flores
It's not fine, you poop from there!
Xavier Thomas
easy, you make a character, and don't mention their sexuality unless it's relevant to the game.
Gavin Cooper
They've been using WOMEN as advertising materials. Nowadays the go-to way to grab the goyim is to make a shitty over the shoulder third person """""shooter""""" based on underage girls kissing.
>it never becomes relevant >no one ever mentions it >some people headcanon them as gay anyway online >some drama burps up >dev chimes in >"He's actually gay" >WHATTHEFUCKWHYDIDTHEYINSERTTHEIRSEXUALITYITLITERALLYADDS"NOTHING"TOTHECHARACTERFUCKINGLGBTSHIT0/10 etc. etc. etc. Try again.
Ryder Adams
>now Homosex sells i dont think this is true it's mostly just gaming being a huge booming industry nearing its peak and that coinciding with a new generation of indifferent zoomers buying everything they're told to
Xavier Gutierrez
>That >Homosex She's looking at the viewer. FFM is the straightest thing in the universe. If they were looking at each other instead of being a coppertone parody I'd be inclined to believe you, but there's nothing lesbian here, it's just math. Sexy woman + sexy woman = profit.
Isaiah Sanchez
oh wait nvm yeah that kind of homosex sells because gaming is mostly a male hobby and hot lesbians are nice to have
they don't do that anymore though in the west
Jack Campbell
This is true.
This is true.
Aiden Robinson
Lesbians aren't straight, user. It doesn't matter how much of a drooling retard you are, lesbians are by definition gay as fuck.
Carson Lee
nah they're homosex in canon
Jason Bennett
>this example doesn’t count.
Nice goalpost moving.
Kayden Peterson
There is a difference between happenstance in universe and happenstance in the metauniverse, which encompasses the real world. It was a poorly executed marketing move
Asher Brooks
Oh. Never actually played it. I thought it was just a coppertone parody and trying to appeal to the FFM fantasy. You were correct- also I never said lesbians weren't gay, I was just denying the implication that they were lesbians. Previous post showing that I indeed did not know them personally.
Jonathan Lopez
>How do you create a "non-forced" gay character in vidya? make the main character bi-sexual let the player decide devs never hint or state their true sexuality release a poll later showing game data what the players chose then everyone stood up and clapped
Julian Perez
It's worked pretty well for dragon age, fallout, and whatnot so far, the problems arise when the NPCs take a stand.
John White
>make a girl >make the girl actually look like a girl and not a generic western take on """""beauty""""" >give her a dick It's literally that easy
>nobody ITT mentioned Sylvando Fuck this gay thread.
Benjamin Barnes
Hes who I had in mind when I said
Lincoln Allen
>an user literally did I'd say you tried but you didn't.
Nathan Stewart
Either make cute traps or don't make any gays at all. It's that simple. Girls blushnig and getting flustered over holding another girl's hand is also acceptable.
Camden King
>Like it implies that he is hiding his gayness how the hell is Arcade Gannon hiding his his gayness? You only get to know that's he's gay unless you get to know the man. He's just not gonna tell some random guy that he's gay straight out. Like what does you being gay has to do with the problems here?
Joseph Allen
Traps are not gay
Mason Martinez
your last example is actualy the right way of it's done from the start and not added later through dlc or autistic twitter reveals/comics like overwatch is doing.
Blake Miller
Their character doesn't revolve around their sexuality, you don't see straight people talking about how straight they are. Do you see how funny it looks now to other people?
Brayden Russell
Make a flamboyant flaming faggot and make it obvious that he's a joke character.
I genuily am gay and I hate people like you and the fucking pride parades. >let's show people being gay is normal and not degenerate by acting like complete degenerates and living out every stereotype also fuck you for having me have start this sentence with "I'm gay" because I honestly hate having to say it as if it defines who I am, when it doesn't.
Easton Evans
>you don't see straight people talking about how straight they are That's wrong though. Charactrers who just lust over girls (sucessfully or not) are not all that uncommon.
Make then obviously gay, but don't make it important.
Julian Miller
Make them do literally anything but talk about being gay all the time.
Jason Peterson
good thing I'm not from the US
Owen Taylor
It's another "30 year old basement dwelling virgins complain about gay people despite having next to zero meaningful human interactions irl" episode.
Lucas Nelson
Just because the statistics are from the US then that doesn't mean homos behave differently in the rest of the west.
David Gutierrez
Having no meaningful interactions with other people is better than being a bad influence on other people.
James Thomas
Judt because 20% of americans arent drooling retards doesn't mean you're bright yourself.
Dominic Brown
look at liberals in the US and liberals in any other european country, the difference is insane. being lib in the US generaly means to be as SJW as possible while in europe it means to promote free market and be against goverment intervention.
Xavier Cooper
Define bad influence.
Luke Allen
Internet was a bad influence on you. Just sayan.
Adrian Rogers
if a character's romantic life is not a story arc or part of their motif, anything sexual they bring up has to be minor. you have to be okay with someone being able to miss it.
if, under any circumstances, you feel the need to make it unflinchingly clear that Johnny Mcguffin Holder sucks cock in his spare time, to the point where he talks profusely about it unprovoked, you should ask yourself why the guy holding a mcguffin in a cave for ten years needs to think about cock. is it that important to him? why?
Carter Morris
I might not be bright, but at least I'm not a fucking faggot, so it can't be all bad.
In Europe they're simply called "greens" instead. The silly american "liberal" term comes from them being unable to have other political orientations than liberal and conservative.
Grayson Miller
Ghost was a shitty series.
Kevin Morris
liberals are the blue parties actualy. greens are just the hippies, the rancid SJW's you're thinking of are the reds.
Brandon Harris
Normalizing, spreading and indulging in homosexual behavior.
It has done me bad and done me good.
Zachary Foster
Homos are more useful to society than 90% of the people in this thread and ironically more likely to procreate by donating sperm because you incels don't even leave your house.
Adam Davis
make their sexuality optional
Sebastian Wood
>If their sexuality is mentioned within the first 10 minutes of interacting with the character, it's forced.
Well wait now, Dorian from DAI doesn't mention his sexuality in the first 10 minutes and he was still labeled as forced.
Jayden Martin
Not where I come from. Ranking from most to least SJW-ism. >Greens >Liberals/globalists >Reds >Center-reds >Center-conservatives >"Nationalists"
Benjamin Perez
>optional >faggots can still get aids together and you get to pick whether to join in or not No thanks
Aaron Brooks
i meant make faggot themes optional like a separate patch, DLC, skin or something similar
Carter Rivera
>Entire character is to be as much of a flaming faggot as he can >Well-loved by everyone and one of the best party members What went so right?
Why is it bad exactly? Because you don't like other people in general?
Justin Wood
based human that just happens to be gay
Connor Harris
>but at least I'm not a fucking faggot Maybe not, but you seem like a little bitch to me.
Joshua Diaz
Because homosexuals are prone to various problems
Jose Clark
You don't. You make a game for faggots to cater for faggots. Just like how one would make scat porn to cater to poo in loos.
Ayden Jenkins
>Charactrers who just lust over girls (sucessfully or not) are not all that uncommon.
Yes, but that doesn't usually play a huge segment of their whole character, and when it does, it's usually treated as a negative thing or used as a gag. See pic related.
If there's only one character whose sexuality is revealed and they're gay, it's forced. That's just the way it is. If there's already at least one openly straight character, there can also be an openly gay character.
Jacob Rodriguez
>or used as a gag As it should be. Same if a character lusts over men.
Christian Walker
Why does it bother you?
Juan Jones
>If there's already at least one openly straight character, there can also be an openly gay character That's be forced. There should be an openly gay character for every 50 openly straight characters.
Charles Peterson
this how would one make scat porn "non-forced" anyway
Mason Sanchez
There is literally nothing wrong with being gay and dressing up like Astolfo
We haven't even reached the point where homosexuality can exist between two people, yet. Fuck Christianity/Islam and fuck conservatism.
Nathan Phillips
I always enjoy watching the retard logic of dumbasses like this who usually proposes forcing gays to be "normal" by passing on their supposed broken genes to future generations instead of letting them assfuck each other and leaving everyone else alone.
Aaron Phillips
>tfw own two of his outfits >tfw permavirgin because I'm never gonna do anything IRL Outfits are hella cute tho
You just hint at it somewhat later in the game. However, I prefer characters to be openly gay from the start. Because gays disgust me and I don't want to start liking a character just to think less of him once I found out he is a degenerate.
Robert Cox
Unless that's the same ratio as real life, that's arbitrary.
Sebastian Walker
There is 1000% something wrong with being straight and dressing up like Astolfo.
You get to lynch, burn, maim and kill faggots in the game, that's one way to do it.
Ethan Rivera
At this moment in time, there is no way to do it. The retarded left has made being gay so political that there is no way to include them in western media without arising suspicion that it's forced and/or pandering. Maybe when being gay isn't trendy or gives you brownie points we'll be able to see gay characters again with normalcy
If a character's sexuality is to be explored it should be part of a character arc, be it tied to a romance with the player or part of their individual story. If a character trait doesn't affect the narrative just don't even worry about it. That's writing 101
Brayden Peterson
Your world view is incredibly crooked if you think that two sexy girls in a shot marketed entirely to males is "homosex".
Aaron Thomas
Are you cute? 20%, but really it's 0% cause I'm not dumb.
If something is inherently wrong with homosexual behavior then yes it will eventually phase out if it proves beneficial for the survival of humans. That's how all evolution works. But human "morality" always gets in the way of natural selection by turning things taboo which ironically only perpetuates that behavior.
Julian Wright
It is the same as the real life ratio, according to non-homos at least.
Colton Bell
Find an arcade.
Jackson Garcia
>What exactly are you supposed to do? Just make them a good character that happens to be gay. Negative Man from Doom Patrol is a good example in current media. He's a well developed character who has his gayness be a part of who he is, but it's presented in such a way that it's tastefully done. A romance is shown rather than just a relationship of pure lust, which I think really helps with making the audience not get upset that they're "different" or "wrong" because they're just like a straight man who loves a woman, though in their case it's another guy instead.
It's difficult talking about what the general audience will like especially when it comes to volatile topics like sex and gender politics, but as long as the character has some quality that is sympathetic or just makes them entertaining, then I think that's enough.
Wyatt Wood
That's not how evolution works. The less fit for survival option doesn't disappear as a "phasing out", it disappears because it is denied what it needs to live from those that are more fit. If you're really so pro-evolution then you should be denying homos food and water or outright kill them.
Daniel Parker
In fact, there is literally everything right with it
Noah Brooks
Make a good game with good writing. If the rest of the game is leftist garbage, the inclusion of a gay character is going to come off as political pandering no matter how you do it. If the writing is good and the reveal is handled naturally, nobody but the most deranged idiots will care.
Goddamn fags, answer me something. I want to fuck a cute boy. I see one or other that I like with my day friend BUT here's the catch: I am very masculine looking, not fat not fit, just masculine. But my dick is extremely small. Can I just suck them dry or something? Or it's all about the dick?
Isaiah Perry
They didn't care about offending anyone. And it turns out a lot of actual homosexuals love to laugh at the stereotypes. Just not have them directed at them. To see a character in game who doesn't take offense to every little thing, it's liberating. It means they can just enjoy the character without expecting a shame lecture or political rant every time they show up.
Also, he's just a good character. And while it is heavily implied he likes men, it's never outright said. He also shows plenty of interest in women. I'd venture to guess he's actually pretending to be gay as a cover. Though again, nothing is confirmed.
Then you'll be hated by everyone including the gays. Being different is evil, of course!
James Bailey
Then you have to give me a source for that pic. Also best of both worlds, fap to whatever.
Grayson Thompson
Tracer is a very different story and you know it. Overwatch and its "story" is a very obvious cobbled together mess that they have just been making up as they go along. They have been purposefully leaving characters' romantic relationships out as much as possible so they can decide at a later point in time and the fact that they fucking advertised "HEY GUESS WHAT WE HAVE A GAY CHARACTER! WE WON'T SAY WHO THOUGH SO YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT A FEW WEEKS FOR THE COMIC TO COME OUT ;)" If it had been something that was planned from the start, they wouldn't have made some big fuss about revealing it. They either would have just had it out there from the start or they would have just done the comic and not bothered to advertise that they were revealing who was gay. Then they went as pulled pretty much the same shit with Soldier 76. Fucking advertising that you're revealing that a pre-existing character is gay is a pretty fucking obvious sign that you just arbitrarily decided on it well after the fact for the sake of virtue signaling.
The worst part about it is that the way they handled Tracer's sexuality could have been perfectly fine and an example of how you should handle a gay character but they had to go and show their hand by making such a big deal out of it by teasing and advertising the reveal.
Carter Bailey
Get off this board, holy shit, how can one genuinely post this crap *shill me on abusing X* What the fuck user wake up
Liam Anderson
>new
Link the me the old video, nigga
Luke Cook
When the only reason for them to have a gay character is to force their agenda and virtue signal, yes. It really is hard for them not to force it.
Liam Phillips
>How do you create a "non-forced" gay character in vidya? Make them gay, just don't be a faggot about it
Huh, that's weird, I don't recall saying "[...] so that I can join in on the actions that I am questioning.".. Funny that.
Caleb Martinez
Stonetoss*
Idiot.
Jordan Scott
Wait, there is porn?
Aiden Miller
Still a faggot who should hang himself.
Easton Howard
Sounds about right. I was being a bit facetious naming Sylvando as a gay character when it's not said, he just came to mind when I thought "stereotypical gay character", and yet even with that everyone who's played the game loves him. Hell, I love him too. There's definitely more to Sylvando's character than just flamboyance, but even if it was outrighted stated that he loves dick, I'd love him all the same. 10/10 guy.
Right or wrong, the people doing the abusing have a motive. What exactly is wrong with user wanting to understand where they're coming from?
Kevin Lee
Hold up. Are they teaching New Math/Common Core/Whatever in the last panel there? Now that's going too fucking far!
Julian Hernandez
It just seems like these writers don't understand sex or sexuality. Real people don't really fucking talk about this type of stuff, even among friends. No one is hiding it, we're not ashamed of it, we don't hate it, it just isn't normal conversation material.
Don't point it out. Don't have a character go "oh btw Im gay :)" Don't have a stupid kiss front and center. When it is unnecessary information is when it's shit.
Kayden Ramirez
So do it.
Eli Wright
There is a difference between hiding it and not going out of your way to draw attention to it. People are asking for the latter, not the former. When you make some big show out of it and act like it's some big deal, your basically acknowledging that it's something abnormal. You don't see straight people explicitly trying to draw attention to how straight they are and in a realistic gay relationship that you would actually see in reality, you're not going to see that kind of shit either from people who don't build their entire personality off of their sexually. If you want to be seen as normal, then act like what you're doing is normal.
Asher Campbell
I'd rather be praised for doing it than the opposite.
