Japan is way behind

behind on what

square enix is essentially a western company when it comes to AAA games, they dump a fuck ton of money onto something and it comes out as mediocre like

>ITS JUST STYLIZED GUIZ

stfu FFXV is obviously going for realism

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>mediocre

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Goddamn, From's an embarrassment.

Yeah because that imagine definitely looks as shit as OP's. Maybe go to the eye doctor and get the shit cleaned out of your eyes.

Smaller dev teams. Though I think Japan still makes better games than west, but there's no denying that their supposed serious AAA releases are not as polished as ones from companies like Ubisoft or whatever else.
I'd still play Gravity Rush, Breath of the Wild or Yakuza over Assassin's Creed or Horizon. Sure, it'd be nice if they looked better, but not having insanely bloated budgets lets Japanese devs make specialized games for specific audiences, instead of something that has to appeal to everybody for maximized sales.

If they're going to jump on the open world bandwagon then they need to at least attempt try to match rockstars quality. Roughly the same time of development and resources being put into both projects. Only thing Rockstar has over Sqaure is marketing budget.

/thread

Buy they're way ahead in terms of gameplay

great artstyle, innovative combat, vs.
bland artstyle, looking out your window is more appealing, auto-aim gunplay like every Rockstar game

wew lad

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in what way

Rockstar also has a lot more experience with open-world games. You can't expect to get on their level when it's your first attempt at making such a game (like FFXV)

>what's their excuse?
-"graphics are more important than gameplay"

Why do you guys think giant open world games seem so attractive to Japanese devs? Are they chasing trends or are they genuinely interested in trying to design a game like that?

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Okay Yea Forums, it's time for the pleb test: Which has better gameplay? FFXV or RDR2?

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>great artstyle
Looks like a realistic PS2 game

MHW looks great

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Name one western game with combat that even comes close to DMC3-5 or Kh2FM

After decades and decades of hallways, they're growing hungry for genuine player agency. In the next 6 years, you'll see Japan produce their Deus Ex.

FFXV gameplay sucks so now what's your excuse?

thats an impossible question to answer as they are both completely dogshit in unique ways.

Skullgirls

>comes close to flashy button masher shit
Yikes

>stoll vs manure
what's the point?
they're both boring trash,what's your point?

>Witcher 3 gets GOTG
>RDR2 is a great success
>Horizon Zero Dawn is a success and sells millions of copies
>BOTW is a success
>Skyrim is one of the biggest games in vidya history
>Fallout 4 is a great success
you tell me faggotron

FEAR

Appealing to the Western market in an attempt to make more profit. I think BotW was the last japanese game that they actually tried to design as an open-world

>After decades and decades of hallways, they're growing hungry for genuine player agency. In the next 6 years, you'll see Japan produce their Deus Ex.
I doubt it. The idea of RPGs as actual role-playing games that allow for different approaches to a situation is completely non-existent among Japanese developers.

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better than red dead reinput the button because of the input lag

..I should also add that so far Japan has been pretty crap at making same kind of broad appeal games that western devs started on a generation ago.
You could say that they need to make more of this rubbish to get a hang of it, but rather than them mastering homogenity, it'd be nicer if they kept making more interesting games.

>What's their excuse?
Gameplay.
Substance over style.

oh wrpg-kun, you're still so retarded.

>Name one western game with combat that even comes close to DMC3-5 or Kh2FM
Maybe you should expand your horizons if you think Kingdom Hearts has good combat.

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It may be mediocre compared to other action games but it's miles better than spending a hour mashing a on your horse, going through the same tedious looting animations dozens of times, and an occasional shootout as linear and scripted as my dick.

>Why do you guys think giant open world games seem so attractive to Japanese devs? Are they chasing trends or are they genuinely interested in trying to design a game like that?

Japanese developers are nothing if not derivative.

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Not really.
The best-looking Jap games are DMC 5, REMake 2, RE7, and modded FFXV.

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The Jap market equivalent is essentially gachashit. Mainstream nipnong taste is abysmal compared to the garbage the west puts out.

Budgeting probably.
They used up most of their manpower and system resources on the characters and monsters.

Witcher 3 is peak graphics.

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>or are they genuinely interested in trying to design a game like that?
Japan already designed one of the best open worlds of all time.
It also holds the world record for the largest video game open world that's entirely made by hand. There's plenty of larger open worlds out there, but they're either entirely procedurally generated or partially procedurally generated.

youtube.com/watch?v=Umwyql5c3Rk

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>MUH GRAFIX

PLEASE FUCK OFF

JUST FUCK OFF AND KILL YOURSELF

>It also holds the world record for the largest video game open world that's entirely made by hand.
Source?

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Does that look better then Dark Souls 3?

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>dude photorealism is what determines what looks best
fucking zoomers
even BotW looks better than any of those games except maybe FFXV

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It's a miracle this thing runs on the Wii U

>It also holds the world record for the largest video game open world that's entirely made by hand.
Yet it's so fucking ugly and boring.

DMC5 looks great in cutscenes but only looks okay in game. RE2 looks great though.

>dude im contrarian

do you want a fucking medal?

at least you have to use more than one button in rdr2

Yes.
Runs better too.

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I was referring to the gameplay you ingrate

They make a lot of fantastic games though.

Yeah, they're different kinds of trash. A company can have several AAA Open World games at developement at once since people who buy one are likely to buy next one too.
...I was going to say "but commiting to more than one Gacha game would be silly, since one would eat into profits of another" but then I immediately remembered Nintendo, and how they are running... two or three right now? Does Pokemon GO have gatcha in it?

good thing video games arent art then

That looks about as good as VtMB combat except with flashy lightsabers.

>Japan is way behind
What ? Mediocre ? Generic ? I don't think they are behind, they are at the same point, just look at the AAA games from japan, RE7 is just Amnesia with guns, DMC5 streamlined certain parts for the sake of larger audience, not enough to change the core gameplay, but, I'm sure it's enough to make some autists raise an eye brown, FFXV is bamham with J-pop and a "open world", the only company that I believe tries something different is From Software, but they are fueled by autism.
>But the west
Oh yes, the generic FPS, the cinematic narrative experience, the gimmick focused game, so much innovation.
If you are talking about artstyle, not a single AAA games have a good artsyle, not from the West, not from the East, a bunch of indies with 1% of a AAA budget can make something better.
The death of the mainstream game industry can't come soon enough.

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>That looks about as good as VtMB combat except with flashy lightsabers.

Vtmb doesn't have backflips, dodge rolls, parries or any of the dozen of mechanics on display on that webm.

But good job on showing yourself to be a completely retard without the slighest knowledge of games outside of his circle of garbage like Kingdom Hearts.

looks worse than TEW, a 2014 game.

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literally don't fucking shit on square enix you retard

tew is a jap game so i guess japan still wins

>weebs are this deluded
Yikes

There are like 5 Final Fantasy gachas

>Vtmb doesn't have backflips, dodge rolls, parries or any of the dozen of mechanics on display on that webm.
No, but they're about as tight and well-designed as what VtMB does have. The combat looks like fucking puke, dude. It's not even remotely as tight and polished as combat in a DMC or Ninja Gaiden (fuck Kingdom Hearts by the way, I'm not that user from before)

>But the west
>Oh yes, the generic FPS, the cinematic narrative experience, the gimmick focused game, so much innovation.
Don't you mean Japan?

>RE7 is just Amnesia with guns
So nothing like AMnesia then? You don't think a game with combat isn't different from a game without combat?

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the most generic and bland shit i've ever seen
like all western games pretty much

At the very least you can turn off auto aim in rdr2 so that.

Meanwhile white people, or niggers as I like to call them, are painfully behind in the gameplay department

Pic unrelated I assume, because that looks like shit.

Too busy focusing on making genuinely fun ans engaging games instead of pumping out the newest cash-grab graffix sim.

I don't care about japan winning you retarded nigger, I'm saying DMC5 looks like a hot turd, which is very much true.
If you unironically think looks good you have bottom of the barrel standards. Konami made remake and MDC5 look shit for performance.

I'm gonna shit on them until they go back to PS1 era, until Square Soft comes back from the dead, and start doing creative shit, not focus on the fucking "modern japanese culture", or generic ultra convoluted multi media plot.

square enix literally released two GOTYs in the past 2 years though

this is a japan vs the west thread you fucking turbonigger

Soul
Souless
cringe, fuck off switchlet.

hahaha oh yeah what are they?

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Nier:A and DQ11.

There's more than gacha if we're talking shit games for shit taste shitters. Generic weeb games are the only example I can think of because even my awful taste isn't that bad

Seems like Japan is having a comeback what with RE7, DMC5, DQXI, Sekiro, FFXV all coming out on multiple platforms and looking great while the west is releaseing fewer AAA titles and they're mostly console exclusives.

I think Japan is alright

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Cringe and bluepilled

They also have better boob graphics

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>Nier
>Made by Square Enix
>DQ11
>Same fucking game now with a different goku

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Based

And one more with a bunny suit just because

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XV looks good on PC, but they didn't have much time to push the visuals on Consoles like Rockstar did

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stay mad retard

Seething

that building in the background looks like PS3 graphics that traffic light looks straight out of GTA 4 lol

Why didn't you tell that to yourself when you replied to a screenshot of MHW saying it looks worse than DMC5, you 50 IQ mongoloid? do you have nigger genes?

You can fit Witcher 3 into Xenoblade X like 4 times.
Witcher 3 has loading screens, Xenoblade X doesn't.

>not even really open world, just a series of well-designed corridors
>battles don't even take place in the world, they teleport you to a separate battle screen
Embarassing.

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based

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>Caring about graphics

Only zoomers do this.

Yeah but Witcher 3 is actually good kek.

what is this soulless weebshit

I'm still looking for a source or higher quality video for this webm.

>Not open world
>This is somehow a negative

Don't forget to pre-purchase the FF7 remake.

>Not open world
>This is somehow a negative
I said no such thing. This topic however is about open world games.

I hate how every artistic medium despite the traditional paint on canvass is usually trying to imitate life these days. A good style is infinitely better.

go play some 1984 tetris then, my dear hardcore gatekeeper oldfag,

Good but another low cloud and a bit of snow at the peaks would have been nice.

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Less content, too easy, simpler mechanics.

Now imagine how it will look on PC running at native 4k and with reshade.

XCX is quite fucking good given nintendo's shit hardware

and they're all actually bad

>Realism can't be stylized
Have you ever seen a movie? Photograph? TV?

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Mira was amazing. Nintendo needs to stop leeching monolith soft off their projects

oh wait, you were referring to the gameplay? W3 is braindead bamham shit that got rid of everything that made 1/2's combat methodical, not to mention exploration is shit where the only decent areas are the mountains of skellige (smallest of the 3 main areas among the base game and DLCs)

why didn't CDProjekt use matte paintaing horizons like RDR2 does?

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They were before der zoomer.

Still are.

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have sex

No.

You know FFXV doesn't have forced aiming either, right? Of course you don't.

not better then my Dark Souls 3

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I'm talking about more abstract work. Art shouldn't imitate life or it just ends up being a shallow reflection.

>trying to polish this ugly game with reshade

I hate those stupid little boots so goddamned much

xv isn't stylized, it just sucks. shit graphics, shit gameplay, shit story.

And? At least in rdr2 I have to do more then hold Circle to win.

if it works it works

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>even with reshade it still looks like it has a piss filter on

>have sex

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>game

what do you mean they're behind?
ffxv is far better than any western game from last 5 years

what does that even mean

Aranea is my wife and I love her very much.

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It still looks bad though.

hell yeah i wanna explore all of this huge ass blank world with nothing but trees and grass

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>that webm
Yeah, that 10 second segment during a proper boss fight is bad, yes. Yes.

Look up games that tried to be realistic in the ps2 era

looks fine to my normal eyes

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Cope

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FFXV has gameplay? Serious question from a lifelong FF fan.

please turn off the sharpening and add some anti aliasing

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retarded amounts of saturation
this image literally looks like an eyesore, why do you do this to yourself?

better now faggots?

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Thank you Ken Rockwell

Looks like fucking dog shit.
Japan loses again.

+1 for Japan

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obsessed

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this game is beautiful

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I wish the game threw scenes with heavy atmosphere like this one at you more often

The whole game is full of great scenery

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The focus on graphics and hyperrealism is the cancer killing video games in the west, if anything it is a blessing japan isn't so fucking obsessed with it.

user I play Movie Battles II to this day, but you're retarded.

As far as action gameplay goes, Japan has it on lock and literally nobody else can compare.

it's only cancer when you're a Japanese dev and don't understand how it' done

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RDR2's gameplay sucks & even normies have left RDO
The story is good though

Well Square Enix seems to be struggling with it with their 10 year development cycles.

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it sucks so much other devs wanna jump on their bandwagon

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For real though, Arthur's last ride in RDR2 had more emotion than the last decade of Square Enix's burnt offerings combined

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>realism

lol get with the times hans. Wow you just recreated real life but with paint. That is not art.

Squeenix can't develop a first party game worth ass any more. Always goes into development hell and looks like shit compared to everything else released at the time. Also plays like shit because often it's a bunch of different teams' work glued toegether.

the game looks nice but by god it played like ass

True. Also describes RDR2 perfectly as well

RDR2 is being rewarded and looked at as a technical achievement in the industry. A standard for production values and detail. FFXV has been dead since late 2016 and no one making games has cared about it.

art is a combination of real life and an ordered vision stemming from the natural order. Pure abstract 'art' based on an entirely artificial set of rules is a suffocating abomination.