IGN's Most Overrated Game Of All Time

They only do that because they are forced to by the higher ups

It's dated. Number one without a doubt is The Last of Us.

shit taste r*dditor detected

Seething

100% yes if it's some stupid weaboo shit that you personally like.

absolutely seething westcuck

They could always not sell their souls and work at IGN. Be like Jeff Gerstmann.

It wasn't good even when it was first released.
Also the whole Uncharted series is shit.

>that guy that lives in a flood of cuckolds and morons and thinks the entirety of western civilization is like that

Stay mad journocuck.

Skyrim, Witcher 3 and Hollow Knight are the current top 3

Here was their list, for the lazy
> 1. FF7
> 2. Black/White
> 3. GTA IV
> 4. Twilight Princess
> 5. God of War (Series)
> 6. The Sims
> 7. Gran Turismo 5
> 8. MGS4
> 9. LittleBigPlanet
> 10. Mortal Kombat
> 11. Bioshock Infinite

overrated doesn't mean bad

i'd probably put OoT or Dark souls on number 1 though

"Greatest" is such a stupid notion with video games because it implies all sorts of things. Impact on the video game industry? Influencing the tastes of gamers? Sales? Critical praise? FF7 absolutely is one of the greats with those qualifiers. How good it is in comparison with anything that'll be made today? Even then, the materia system is the best part of the game and nobody has successfully copied it, the game is long and rich with detail, there are very few moments of "oh, not THAT part" which is pretty impressive considering that's basically the JRPG calling card. The story holds up remarkably well and it's got one of the absolute most lightning-in-a-bottle casts in any video game ever, and that's despite a terrible translation. The minigames are fun, the exploration is highly rewarding, the soundtrack is legendary. All I can say is that the 3D graphics have aged like milk on a radiator and turn based combat isn't for everyone. It might not be to everyone's tastes, but the most overrated game of all time? It's something zoomers declare to be contrarian. Soon "FF7 is overrated" will be so popular, loving it will be the hipster stance ALA Majora's Mask.

Pastebin the list if you're going to start the thread you mongoloid

Both of those are objectively great games, their level design is pretty much perfect

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>urr muh geerrdd dey killed Aeris!
>WRITING!

It's no better than any anime or manga where they fuck over the main cast for Japan's tragedy fetish.

Already did, see

this

seething faglord who probably plays skyrim, eats mcdonalds, and watches superhero movies

Didn't they rate this as one of the best games of all time though?

It just amazes me that so many people still look to IGNorant as their main source of news among the other shit they support in their personal lives like CNN and ESPN

I mean it’s not that ba...
>LittleBigPlanet

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T. Literal brainlet casualfag
> God of Soi
> Grand Theft Auto IV
> Twilight Princess
> Metal Gear Solid 4
> Bioshock Infinite
All incredibly based & redpilled, needs Skyrim though

>11. Bioshock Infinite
This should absolutely be on top. FF7 is a breakthrough title graphically.

Bioshock Infinite is a linear FPS with a nonsensical plot.

At this point yeah. FFVII is the epitome of "So Overrated it's Underrated."

>Black/White

I'm assuming they mean the pokemon games and not pic related?

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They meant pic related

Overrated is a meaningless click bait adjective.

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I agree with most of those but I don't see how the sims and black & white are overrated.

> 4. Twilight Princess
> 11. Bioshock Infinite
Those are correct.

>Not a single nintendo game
I wonder who could have made this list

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>LittleBigPlanet
>Gran Turismo
>The Sims
But why? I have never seen a massive LBP fan that calls it the best ever. Same with GT. The Sims is its own thing, too. No one really calls it their favorite/best.

>a cult classic most zoomers never even heard about
>overrated
By whomst

> Twilight Princess isn't a Nintendo game
Jesus christ, why are people on this board so illiterate?

who actually rates twilight princess highly though

>not a single Nintendo game
>4. Twilight Princess

Snoyfags sure are great at reading comprehension

>Twilight Princess is overrated
Says a publication that gave Skyward Sword 10/10

>overrated doesn't mean bad
It actually does.

Gaming journalists are literally never right, they're a retarded force the universe created to always be wrong I'm certain of it.

FF7 only became overrated by people who hardly played it in the first place and completely misinterpreted the events and characters. It should be more obvious than ever with the remake; the amount of people who couldn't force themselves through the "dated" original despite being huge fans. In reality, the game is very underrated.

>it's another jewish pedophile thread

>is FF7 the most overrated game of all time?
>no I think breath of the wild is
Is this fucking thread made in 2015? Is this the comment area for that article? Are you a blithering idiot?

literally nobody ever talks about this game, I'm amazed some list writing mouth breather is even aware it exists.

Here it does but it SHOULD mean that something is overly praised while still being great.

>LBP fan that calls it the best ever.

Probably one of my favorite PS3 exclusives but i think i'm a rare breed

For those wondering "What games do they like?", the answer is these
> IGN's Favorite Games (2015)
> 1. Ocarina of Time
> 2. Super Mario Bros 3
> 3. Super Mario World
> 4. Castlevania: SOTN
> 5. Shadow of the Colossus
> 6. Super Mario 64
> 7. Portal Series
> 8. Final Fantasy VI
> 9. Chrono Trigger
> 10. WOW Classic
> 11. Resident Evil 4
> 12. Super Metroid
> 13. Metroid Prime
> 14. A Link To The Past
> 15. Metal Gear Solid 2
> 16. Mega Man 2
> 17. MK: Double Dash
> 18. Final Fantasy Tactics
> 19. The Wind Waker
> 20. Majora's Mask
> 21. Suikoden II
> 22. Metroid Zero Mission
> 23. Return to Zork
> 24. Doom (1993)
> 25. Wild ARMs

> 1. FF7
While it's still overrated (and good). I think other RPGs like Earthbound and even FFVI have stolen the most overrated title.
> 2. Black/White
Probably the most criticized upon announcement due to the pokemon designs. Pokemon itself is overrated, but gen V is the best in many ways.
> 3. GTA IV
On release, definitely. But San Andreas is probably the most overrated in the series. Still both great games.
> 4. Twilight Princess
As every Zelda game kinda is. In terms of unfair high scores at release, SS easily takes the prize. Overall is probably OoT, and it's a great game.
> 5. God of War
Never seen it mentioned higher than mindless fun until NuGoW, which probably should rank high as of now. I think the original trilogy is still shat upon by DMC fags.
> 6. The Sims
Probably gets the recognition it deserves as a time killer.
> 7. Gran Turismo 5
Who the fuck rates these games after the PS2?
> 8. MGS4
Was on release, gets shat upon whenever mentioned now.
> 9. LittleBigPlanet
Already ran it's course.
> 10. Mortal Kombat
The whole concept is, the game not so much.
> 11. Bioshock Infinite
Agree 100%.

It is pretty overrated. Playing an old game for the first time without nostalgia glasses is the definitive way to rate how a game holds up.

TP Fags who are desperate to try & convince people that Wind Waker was bad

Someone at IGN REALLY hates FFVII.

What does overrated mean?

Based, unironically a solid list. No idea why Wild Arms is on there though

Contrarian hipster clickbait, user. You didn't really fall for that did you? A single person might not enjoy FF7, but to deny its impact on the industry as a whole is hands down retarded.

It's like CoD4. Modern Warfare might not be your cup of tea, but it dramatically expanded the appeal of the FPS genre to casual gamers that have never left. There have been dozens of shooters made in the CoD4 mold (that obviously expand it to generate their own niche appeal) since then. FF7 is the same way. It defined JRPGs for a generation and aspects of what it did mechanically and narratively can still be seen in JRPGs today.

Thats not a tie between Red Dead Redemption 2 and GTA V

>thread created to talk about a specific list of games
>said list was created in 2015
>hurf durf it should include a game that wasn't released until two years later because my autism can't deal with the passage of time

Only blithering idiot is you m8. Learn some reading comprehension.

Fuck off nostalgia fag, FF7 was a downgrade from 6 in every regard

LBP was considered a big deal back in the day, people kept shoveling praise onto it. Dunno about Gran Turismo. The Sims was legitimately THE most succesful PC game franchise of all time at one point though.

But yeah, it's a weird list that's obviously just clickbait and some personal bias, even if some of the entries are correct.

Its not pokemon

> IT SAYS POPULAR GAME IS OVERRATED
> BBBUT DOESN'T COUNT, JUST CLICKBAIT
T. NPC

Yeah, realized that after scrolling down the thread. Going to check it out, I actually haven't played that one.

1. Bioshock Infinite
2. Skyrim
3. Morrowind
4. Breath of the Wild
5. Last Of Us
6. Smash Melee
7.CoD MW2
8. Majora's Mask
9.Fallout New Vegas
10. Ocarina of Time
11. World of Warcraft Vanilla

This list is objectively right.

Sure I guess? It's on that awkward spot where it got so much praise people started to shit on it a lot just to be contrarian, which makes it overrated and underrated at the same time. Same thing happened to Ocarina of Time.

>IGN's Favorite games of 2015!
>Multiple video game entries from the same series
>Two Mario games in consecutive placements

>7. Portal Series

WHO PAYS THESE RETARDS TO WRITE

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>we need page views and people to come flooding to our site for ad revenue... but how?
>wait, let's create a list of the most over rated games ever made, that'll get people talking about us then more and more people will come to rage about and defend their beloved games so we'll remain relevant!

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>wild ARMs

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Its like a list of games for people trying to fit in

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most of those are fairly niche games so calling them overrated is ridiculous

FF7 is definitely overrated.
I mean, It's not bad, but any of the retards who praise it as some kind of masterpiece are just fucked in the head weebs.
Everytime I argue with someone about FFVII, they point out how it's such a brave game for killing a character.
WOOW A PARTY CHARACTER DIED IN THE STORY SO DEEEEEP AND EMOTIONAL.
FFIX and X were way better at emotional moments and didn't need to rely on shitty midgame shock value
FFVII has it's story, yes, but even that was cheesy most of the time.
Gameplay wise it wasn't groundbreaking either.

It 100% deserves to be called overrated.
NOT a bad game, but not the best in the series

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> Replace with Fo3
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Objectively this is contrarian garbage, most of it is wrong & will always be wrong

> MARIO & ZELDA BAD
Gee i wonder who made this post

>Game is popular with any crowd in any way for any reason
>"OVERRATED TRASH, STOP ACTING LIKE THIS GAME IS GOOD"
>Game is made fun of for being shit by most communities
>"YEAH, IT'S GARBAGE! SEE? EVERYBODY AGREES!"
>Game has a marketing budget of $100M+ and advertisements all over the website day and night built such that they'll bruteforce their way around adblockers
>"Okay but this game is pretty good though!"

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Calm yer tits, m8. I don't even think I really like any game on that list (except maybe Twilight Princess, but I do agree that its glaring flaws were heavily overlooked at release.) But these lists are literally just made to generate clicks. They don't really add anything to the discourse, they are just kinda there. Shallow opinion pieces that are easy to consume by people randomly clicking through the site. No one is really getting anything out of reading them. It's like a top ten list, quite literally.

To be fair, it's really hard to pick between Mario World and Mario Bros 3, so slapping both on there seems justified. I mean, what does it matter anyway? It's fucking IGN.

This. Too many people have called it overrated at this point for it to be truly overrated.

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>Last of Us
>not overrated.

You forgot your Never ever wojak with your shitpost, son.

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>calling god of war "s󠛡o󠛡y"
>calling god of war "s󠛡o󠛡y" when the latest god of war wasn't even released yet

I don't even like the games but you're a retarded zoomer

That's fair. Definitely top 3. I think super metroid and halo deserve an honorable mention personally.

> 1. FF7
No. It had too much of a lasting impact on the industry to be considered overrated. So hip contrarian might not like it, but its impact on the whole is too large to ignore.

> 2. Black/White
We'd have to be highly rated to be overrated. Black/White was a niche game in a niche genre that has a cult following. Nothing more.

> 3. GTA IV
Maybe? GTA IV again did things that really pushed the envelope for its time, especially in regards to world size and detail. Hard to call it underrated when it really was the peak at the time it released.

> 4. Twilight Princess
Same as #2. Almost no one considers this a standout Zelda game. It's almost NEVER ranked above OoT, MM, WW, LttP, LA or any of the others.

> 5. God of War (Series)
Pretty lazy to call out a series. That's indicative of a reach. But I mean, it generated an entire franchise, so you can't deny that success. There are way worse games that are considered better than GoW. It just sorta built off what Devil May Cry did, and then took it in another direction. DMC is more at risk of being the overrated title than GoW is.

> 6. The Sims
Again, contrarian bullshit. This is a "TRUE GAMERS DON'T LIKE THIS" post. Casual players loved, and still love, iterations of the Sims to this day.

> 7. Gran Turismo 5
Hard to judge. I don't play racing games, but again niche genre for niche player base. This is for dudes that jerk off to being able to customize their exhaust system. No normal players care. Can't be overrated if you're not widely viewed as great.

> 8. MGS4
I guess I might be able to agree with this one. MGS gets kinda far up its own ass sometimes, and this one definitely did.

> 9. LittleBigPlanet
Only thing LBP was ever lauded for was the UGC tools and to that extent it was the best on the market. Dumb inclusion.

> 10. Mortal Kombat
What the first one? Again, it spawned a massive franchise.

> 11. Bioshock Infinite
No one thinks this was good.

Either this or OOT.

This thread asked an open ended question about whether FF7 is the most overrated game of all time. The fact you are too dense to realize that and yet you are so autistic you think you can accuse others of lack of reading comprehension is rather spectacular.

>Little Big Planet
>Top 10 overrated
I'm quite concerned since the other are viable picks

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I actually agree with this list, not in the same order.

Posts like this kind of validate my disposition that 6 is extremely overrated and 7 underrated now. By and large because bitter 6fags and hipsters trying to seem with it(you) always seem to praise 6 to spite 7, and almost exclusively to spite 7.

It;s genuinely a solid 8/10 game, here i fixed your list. (You were right about BOTW though)
> 1. The Witcher 3
> 2. Red Dead Redemption 2
> 3. Breath of the Wild
> 4. Mass Effect 2
> 5. Final Fantasy VII
> 6. Dark Souls
> 7. MineCraft
> 8. Half-Life 2
> 9. Red Dead Redemption
> 10. Doom (1993)
> 11. Elder Scrolls: Skyrim
> 12. Super Mario Bros
> 13. Grand Theft Auto V
> 14. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
> 15. GoldenEye 007

>11 games people are WRONG for liking

>> 1. Ocarina of Time
> 2. Super Mario Bros 3
> 3. Super Mario World
lol

>> 11. Bioshock Infinite
>No one thinks this was good.
A ton of people still think this is one of the best game of the last generation, user. Even if the general criticism directed at it trickled down into the mainstream a bit in recent years, it still has a massive following.

Wind Waker is fine but TP is better
if you disagree you're guaranteed a zoomer

Nah, that's either OoT or HL2

>FF7
>a great game
>overrated
No, not when shit like RDR2 gets a 97

How is Super Mario Bros overrated? No one calls this their favourite game of all time or anything. People generally just praise it for its cultural impact, and in that sense it cannot be rated highly enough. It's probably one of the most important pieces of pop culture of the 20th century.

It's frustrating seeing 6 fans shit on 7 when they're both favorites of mine. The two games are similar in many ways, so it's weird that people have such a strong preference for one over the other. I consider them basically equal in quality.

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I can't believe IGN was right for once.

>RE4 nowhere to be seen.
Shit list

>Zero Sony exclusives are overrated
HMMMMM

Not him, but you're an idiot, and one that doesn't like to be wrong, and it shows.

>1. Megaman 2
>2. Pokemon Red/Blue
>3. Bioshock Infinite
>4. Crash Bandicoot
>5. Batman Arkham City

fthpbp

Fuck IGN, but they are right about this one thing.

>hurr old thing good, new thing bad

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FFVI fags will never forgive FFVII for being a better game, and will always try to destroy its reputation at every opportunity.

>WOOW A PARTY CHARACTER DIED IN THE STORY SO DEEEEEP AND EMOTIONAL

A very important character tied to the protagonist and one they spent so much time building a connection to, dies suddenly and relatively early. Yeah. It's a big moment. Have you even played it?

FF7 was a better game than OoT

>1. Bioshock Infinite
Yes.
>2. Skyrim
It reached meme status, would be like calling shrek overrated.
>3. Morrowind
Kinda.
>4. Breath of the Wild
Not even the most overrated in the series.
>5. Last Of Us
Should be first.
>6. Smash Melee
Maybe if you're a smash fag.
>7.CoD MW2
I don't think people rate CoD anymore.
>8. Majora's Mask
It fluctuates a lot. Sometimes is overrated, sometimes is underrated, sometimes you get mocked for liking it.
>9.Fallout New Vegas
Genuine dedication of a fanbase. Game doesn't get praised for anything that it isn't.
>10. Ocarina of Time
Yes, but as time passes by more people seem to pinpoint what did well and what doesn't.
>11. World of Warcraft Vanilla
Agree.

It's IGN. Of course they aren't right.

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I just can't deal with the atrocious framerate.

>FF7 was a downgrade from 6 in every regard
Except not in almost any way. 6 had an interesting ensemble cast, and some phenomenal moments, but there was way too large of a dissonance between well written characters and poorly written characters (Celes / Edgar: Amazing, Gau / Shadow: utter throw away trash).

Also only literal children consider Kefka a decent antagonist. His motivations and actions are completely one dimensional. He's the equivalent of the bully two grades above you that would pick on you until your big brother arrived (hence why he resonates so much with young children).

Mechanically some of the cast was awesome (Sabin or even more egregiously Gau, due to how poor of a character he is) while others were boring/bad AF (Locke, Umaro, Cyan).

The highs of FF6 are among the best moments in the series, but they're mixed in with too many brutal lows for the game on the whole to really compete for that "best entry in the series" spot.

>8/10
>called a generation defining game by journalists
>despite the plot being pretty bog-standard with good characters
>won countless accolades and constant praise was heaped on it by everyone
>Gets a remaster just to fix the framerate
>coverart for that is literally pic related

Dude, that shit is overrated as fuck and all I owned back then was a PS3. It was a good game and nowhere near as shit as the Yea Forumsposters want people to think, but it's had it's dick sucked enough.

Also your list doesn't have Bioshock Infinite on there and for some reason there's a Doom there too. Are you the same fucker trying to call me contrarian?

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I enjoyed all of these except for WoW and the last part of Wind Waker.

If that's true, I've never seen or met someone that believes that and I work in this industry (engineer / developer). WAY too many people immediately saw through the:
Hallway with dialog -> big empty room with bad guys -> hallway with dialog -> repeat forever
structure of the game to be fooled into thinking it wasn't literal dogshit.

>Red Dead Redemption 2

Doesn't belong. Most people account for what issues it does have but can't deny on the front of narrative, theme, setting, atmosphere it's not even close to having an opposition.

That's not half life 2

>old thing bad, new thing good

how exactly did FF7 have a "lasting impact?" Because it made it ok to put movies in game?

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It's basically "you had to be there" - the game. It's hard to appretiate it in retrospect, but it was a really big fucking deal back in the day.

It was also the first game to get a $100million advertising budget.

Yes. Stop sucking VII off

I wouldn't even say it's that overrated compared to the first one. It had it's time in the sun and it's gone, now just played by the people who genuinely liked what it had to offer.

>Bioshock Infinite on the list at all
thank fucking christ, fuck that game

Jesus christ, user.
>If this article were written today, Breath of the wild should be 1
Context is clear, and you're a pedantic moron.

>$100million advertising budget
"No"

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>not him
Sure you arent. Now go and argue with this guy since he interpreted this thread the same way I did, and the guy who originally posted BoTW did.

>Technical breakthrough
>phenomenon

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Yeah but it's not 3d and it's not VII so it's better

So it’s Star Wars. How fucking delightful.

Nope. Nothing better was around at the time, this is like saying Portal was shit because it was done using the same primitive graphics engine as Gary's Mod.

>how exactly did FF7 have a "lasting impact?"
We're still talking about the game to this very day, user.

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When a review website a year after its release gave it a re-review and lowered its score from 9/10 to 4,5/10, that website was under heavy attack by angry fans for weeks. Go on youtube and check out old youtube reviews. I remember people like Yatzee or ProJared putting it as their Game of the Year. You know that Matthewmatosis review of Infinite? That was specifically made as a counter weight to all the heaps of praised people poured on Bioshock Infinite. When it came out, people unironically called it the Citizen Kane of video games. It was rated very highly.
Yes, a some people saw it for what it is. Yea Forums obviously hated it. But it was very well regarded, and still is, by the general public.

>this kills the N64

The Last of Us is easily more overrated than any game listed there. If your argument is that it is a 8/10 game, most of those games also are 8/10s, but don't get the same level of media love TLOU has.
Don't get me wrong, I agree on most of the cases posted ITT, doesn't stop me from enjoying them.

FFVII was good, sure, but there were way better RPGs even at the time it came out. It was just babby's first JRPG, which is why it's so beloved.

Nope, i wasn't him. I don't want to argue, I just want to call you an idiot, which you are my friend.

Well when it came out, there wasn't a console rpg that could match it in my opinion. Like this fucking game had crazy looking cgi cutscenes, hours and hours of dialogue, story events, and areas you could got in. An entire world you could explore with plenty of character building, rare items, and sidequests you could do. The main villain was pretty spooky and looked to be unstoppable. Also all of the cast was really engaging, fun, and got side-stories you could explore. It also came on multiple discs.

All I had was an N64 and I would go over to my friends house just to watch him play FF7, and we'd talk about the story and run into shit like the giant snake.

The only thing close to it for me was OoT and MM and as open as those games were, they just didn't feel like FF7.

Also we're still talking about FF7 today.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop

>babby's first JRPG

That would be Tales of Symphonia

Fuck no, it is the Iron Maiden of vidya, definitely not as good as people tend to think.

FF8 Is way more overrated than 7

He's not wrong though. Trying to gauge somethings influence decades after the fact is rather difficult since you take both it's popularity at the time, and the influence it had on other things for granted

Actually not a bad list

user, if you ask some person on the street, chances are they don't even know Tales of Symphonia. But I'd argue 50% of people you ask will atleast have heard of Final Fantasy.

>cartridges
This was the equivalent of Epic games vs Steam. Your reputation and presence doesn’t matter as long as you could lure away the 3rd party developers into playing ball with you. Nintendo and cartridges are more reliable for consumers but a pain for devs. CD’s offered an easier time but now you’ve got disks getting ruined more easily.

N64 had more power, a first party game lineup that’s revered to this very day and all of Nintendo golden stamp of quality approval behind it and it meant nothing because Sony lures away Square and Capcom away and suddenly, ps1 wins the 5th Gen and takes it’s permanent place in the console market .

surely you meant Metallica

I'm impressed with how high the numbers are, but the only quote from any actual Squaresoft exec in the citation came from someone saying $40M. The Eurogamer article just says "$100 Million Marketing Budget" with zero sources.

Funny because Ocarina of Time is easily the #1 most overrated game of all time. SOTN at 4? lol.

FFVII literally put JRPGs on the map, user.
Most people couldn't even tell you what the Tales series is, let alone individual games in it. But anyone who's played a game in the last twenty years could recognize FFVII.

>JRPGs

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Games """Journalists"""

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>Well are they right Yea Forums?
Yes, they are right, in the sense that their business model relies on people giving them clicks, and they did that which gave them clicks.

>called a generation defining game by journalists
gotta be honest, it kinda sentenced this generation of western games, for the worst, that is

Same shit in my book, nonetheless a band/game which lost it's credibility because it's predecessors do everything better.

You truly are retarded if you think Epic games luring away a handful of mediocre games is akin to Squaresoft and FF7 jumping ship from Nintendo to Sony.

>don't want to argue
>his second post into an argument

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FF6 has been considered the best in the series for over 25 years, contrarians are the only ones who think FF7 is better
> EGM Top 100 Games (1997)
9th: Final Fantasy VI
12th: Castlevania: SOTN
21st: Final Fantasy VII
27th: Super Mario RPG
29th: Chrono Trigger
> EGM Top 100 Games (2001)
4th: Castlevania: SOTN
8th: Final Fantasy VI
19th: Panzer Dragoon Saga
26th: Chrono Trigger
36th: Chrono Cross
43rd: Final Fantasy Tactics
57th: Final Fantasy IX
91st: Final Fantasy VII
> IGN Top 100 Games (2003)
8th: Final Fantasy VI
12th: Chrono Trigger
17th: Castlevania: SOTN
43rd: Final Fantasy IV
52nd: Utlima VII
63rd: Baldur's Gate II
70th: System Shock 2
72nd: Pokemon Gen 1
78th: Secret of Mana
85th: Final Fantasy X
97th: Phantasy Star IV
N/A: Final Fantasy VII
> IGN Top 100 Games (2006)
2nd: Chrono Trigger
8th: Final Fantasy VI
11th: Castlevania: SOTN
20th: Final Fantasy VII
> IGN Top 100 Games (2008)
2nd: Chrono Trigger
10th: Final Fantasy VI
13th: Castlevania SOTN
23rd: Super Mario RPG
27th: EarthBound
28th: Xenogears
30th: Final Fantasy VII
> IGN's Favorite Games (2015)
7th: Final Fantasy VI
8th: Chrono Trigger
18th. Final Fantasy Tactics
21st: Suikoden II
25th: Wild Arms
29th: Final Fantasy X
> IGN's Top 100 Games (2018)
12th: Castlevania: SOTN
13th: Chrono Trigger
14th: Final Fantasy VI
16th: Dark Souls
31st: The Witcher 3
34th: Bloodborne
36th: Pokemon Gen 1
37th: Mass Effect 2
40th: Star Wars KOTOR
41st: WoW Classic
43rd: Diablo II
46th: Persona 4
49th: Baldur's Gate II
50th: Deus Ex
58th: Mass Effect
63rd: Fallout 3
71st: Final Fantasy Tacticcs
74th: Suikoden II
76th: Skyrim
81st: Persona 5
91st: Undertale
92nd: Fallout 2
99th: Final Fantasy VII

the desperation of this clickbait blog site lmoa

Absolutely, 7 isn't even a GOOD game.

>FFVII literally put JRPGs on the map,
I wish it wouldn't have

Still, the marketing budget was ridiculously oversized for 1997, and it most definitely opened the floodgates to pumping 8-9 digits into marketing. Not only that, but it also wasn't overtaken in terms of marketing budgets (at least confirmed ones) until Halo 2 nearly seven years later.

It was cool how after FFVII came out a bunch of people at my school got into RPGs. I didn't know anybody who played them besides my brother and his friend up until that point.

If any list doesn't have Undertale as the most overrated, then it's just objectively wrong.

Literally obsessed

You do realize you're only strengthening his point that FF6 is insanely overrated right?

You do realize that seething about it being "overrated" will never stop it from being universally considered the best RPG ever right?

These are more overrated than their overrated list. Mario 3 has levels that are 10 seconds long.

Ocarina of Time is without doubt the most overrated game ever.

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People cared about Little Big Flop?

the witcher series

after going back and really looking at the old games, I think FF6 is easily as overrated as FF7 and always was. I'd say they're about equal, but with different strengths and weaknesses.
I don't think 6fags are being contrarian, but that they tend to cling to their reasons for liking 6 more than 7 while ignoring the glaring flaws that 6 does have.

>Mario 3 has levels that are 10 seconds long.
Is that supposed to be criticism of the game as a whole?

Based, especially from IGN!

Uncharted is missing indeed.

> Still seething about OOT after 20 years
This is when you know it's a masterpiece, no other game has managed to make Contrarians absolutely assblasted like this game. And unlike FF7, it has actually been officially named the GOAT. So in 30 years, it will still top every single list

of all the mario karts they could've chose, they pick fucking double dash?

Nope eat shit

And, funnily enough, it is still a pretty dang good game.

And yet here we are, where anytime VII is merely mentioned you creeps come out of the woodwork to throw it under the bus and talk about how underrated your precious VI is.

VII would easily be right there as well if people were less afraid of the stigma. Because the game has been branded overrated for so long people try and dance around it to be taken seriously.

The problem is that this argument can be used word for word to defend all the lists (and there's a good number too) that put FF7 as the best game instead. I don't have a horse in this because I think both are overrated as fuck but more just both of you are using flawed logic to prove a point.

I kinda like it that way. There's a huge variety in levels and gimmicks and they never get overstay their welcome.

> No major Journalist has ever listed it on their most overrated game lists
> Contrarians still desperately try to push the narrative that it's overrated
This is getting pathetic

FF6 is is good but has severe flaws that are overlooked because casuals don't notice them on a first playthrough. Thus it is massively overrated especially compared to 7.

- Broken stat system (MgPwr is way overpowered, others are useless)
- Broken growth system
- Everyone learning magic winds up being boring
- Every character has a generous mana pool and similar HP pool.
- Careless itemization (easily-obtainable elemental shields trivialize many boss fights)
- Massively unbalanced and overpowered ability combinations
- Unbalanced ability spread
- Story loses momentum in part 2 and never regains it

so is FF7, unironically.

It's almost as if that's their job or something. Doesn't make IGN any more trust worthy or credible. Shit site.

FFT deserves to be on any top games list and everyone needs to go back and play it if they never did so. IGN is still fucking gay though.

BioShock infinite was far more overrated for what it was

There's a romhack that fixes every single one of those issues
> Character-based esper restrictions & new stat boosts that promote greater diversity and allow for customized development.
> Esper leveling system that disassociates esper bonuses from traditional levels.
> New and reworked formulas which rescue everything that isn’t magic or magic evasion from the dump-stat heap.
> Rebalanced equipment, items, spells, and skills that aim to remove dead weight and give players more (and better) choices.
> A complete overhaul of enemies from their stats to their behavior to better challenge veteran players and newcomers alike.
> Tons of bugfixes, as well as remedies to many of the game’s more annoying aspects (such as rage hunting taking a lifetime).
> A new script that restores much of what was lost in translation and builds on existing plotlines and characterization.

good taste user

The same back to you. Only about VII.

I just wish FFVI had something like Dragon's Den in the SNES version. I don't want to play the GBA version because of the changed sound and graphics.

> 6. The Sims
Wat?

I'm sorry but FF6 is not better than 7. Fuck all non-believers.

New Vegas isn't crazy popular outside of the small group of turbo autists that play it for 48 hours a week

You know a list is bullshit when Black and White is considered one of the most overrated games of all time.

>There's a romhack that fixes every single one of those issues

There's a romhack that makes Pokemon a game about fucking lolis. What the fuck is your point?

Yeah, it was loved and talked about for a couple months when it was released, then I almost never heard about it again.

I remember it being very hyped when it came out, they did a great marketing job, but I seem to remember ALL that hype dying off as soon as people actually started playing it. I don't follow youtube reviewers, but even then that's still just a few guys? Although I did just look up the metacritic user score and am staggered to see it's north of 8.

I guess you're right user. I had no idea there were people out there who got duped that hard. This game definitely deserves to be on the list then because it is easily the worst of the entire list.

So? We're not arguing what's the best game once it's been hacked to be better decades after it's release?

Atleast Uncharted had proper puzzles. Last of Us is a shitty Uncharted-clone with a pretentious plotline about flower-zombies that takes itself way too seriously and the exact same gameplay as Uncharted. And those are mediocre games that can be fun at times so i don't see the genius in Last of Us, it's basically the same and nothing different than what had already been done at the time. It was also pretty embarrassing to hear a standard plot about zombies being held up as the pinnacle of storytelling in gaming.

>changed sound and graphics
There are hacks for that

Wait, what?
Are you talking about Petit Hunter? Cause I didn't think that was a romhack.

>FF6 has been considered the best in the series for over 25 years
Only by literal children and journos

FFVII blowned peoples minds back in the day, but it isn't the masterpiece they have been saying it is ever since for sure.

Yeah but said romhacks have to substantially change the nature of the game to achieve this.
Compare that hack with FF4 Free Enterprise, which unlocks enormous potential for fun from the original game engine WITHOUT having to fuck with any of the fundamental subsystems. FF4FE basically just de-linearizes and randomizes, giving you endless possibilities for new experiences based on all of the content that was originally there in the game.

I heard they weren't perfect though. Worth a shot I guess. I'll either do that or try the Brave New World hack.

>There's a romhack that fixes every single one of those issues
There are ROM hacks for literally every game in that era. Anything in a ROM hack is not reflective of the actual game or how good it is.

Any list of overated games that doesn't include Bioshock Infinite, Gone Home, Mass Effect 3 and Heavy Rain should be instantly disregarded.

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For a while it was one of the most popular series in gaming and made something around a billion dollars. But most of the love was prior to 3, and it hasn't really been in the zeitgeist since then. But from around 2000-2006 it was played by just about everyone.

Any video game that focus on the story instead of gameplay is overrated.

that's just dumb af...

these are actually indeed, one of the greatest games. guess they really need clickbait...

The new FF7 remake is fucking cancer, but the original game is a classic and it deserves all the praise it gets.

when i first bought my psp go about ten years ago it came with a bunch of pirated games the previous owner had, and final fantasy 7 was already on there so i gave it a go

its not terrible but its not good. it's aged very badly and not in a way that is even remotely fixable. the only reason that it exists in the form that it does was because of the technical limitations of the ps1 and they weren't even creative workarounds

i understand why people have such fond memories of it but to someone who has zero nostalgia for it, it's not a game that is going to impress or entertain people who were not around for the hype train

The graphics did and it was one of the bigger marketing campaigns for a game ever too, hence it's success. It was literally played trailers in the cinema, back when people actually went there.

Perhaps but I there’s something obnoxious about it all and how people seem to ignore the utter Trite it inspired ever since, wether within it’s own series or others. Spiky hair MC idiot we don’t ever relate to. Caricatures instead of supporting characters. A jarring sense of story and gaming living in separate dimensions where’s it’s either a VN or a movie one second, or a shit ton of busy work to accomplish as “gameplay”.

Ever since this game, we didn’t see or care about the earthbounds or FF6 type JRPG anymore. It was FF7 and if you’re not that, you were better off left in obscurity. I think we’ve started to break away from that and that’s made me feel less bitter about FF7’s influence.

Spot on.

Is Final fantasy the most disputed series when it comes to people not being able to have a consensus about what’s good or bad about it?

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Is oot number 1?

Because its a shit game

Skyrim tbqh

FF7 IS overrated because back in '97 it was pretty much a culture shock for many people, but it's not #1

Is Yea Forums just as pleb as IGN now?

What's the name of that shitty black and white pixel RPG? That shit's more overrated than FF7 for sure.

Sonic

>Black/White
they have to mean Pokemon. Black & White was ultra niche even for 2015.
>Twilight Princess
How is it overrated when it is the lowest rated Zelda game?
>The Sims
wat

Not really, people just quibble about specifics. Almost everyone seems to agree that:
6, 7, 9, 10 are good
8, 2, 13, 1, 15 are bad
3, 5, 12 are middling

Where you specifically shuffle those within their groups is all people tend to get fired up about.

> bbut Ocarina of Time
OBSESSED

I'd say Zelda, nobody can ever agree on what makes the series what it is, including the creators

its because the substance that was there was never appreciated. the older final fantasy games do have some charm to them as products of their time but the name of the series is literally "final fantasy" are you surprised that most players look back to their experience playing the game as better than it really was?

i missed the entire final fantasy hype train and looking at it from an outsider's perspective, only having played the games that other people recommended to me after hearing loads of good things about them - it's a fantasy. it's pure hype. its not worth looking into.

everyone collectively pretends that the game series is better and more memorable than it is, because either they can't admit that there's like sixteen games in a series that are almost entirely garbage or they don't have the intelligence or taste to realize that they are even worse than young adult novels in terms of writing, and the aesthetic and game design are nowhere near good enough to carry any of them

These guys were just the first that game to my mind, I'm sure if I really wanted to (for whatever reason) I could find a dozen big journalism site and also a dozen youtube reviewers that gave it a perfect score.

Keep in mind that the staggering majority of people - even those that proclaim that they care about games - have absolutely no idea of game design or level design. A well polished game with a story similar to a good action movie will usually be highly praised, no matter how badly executed the levels actually are.

No, everyone knows that FF6 is the best RPG Of all time. FF7 fags just cannot cope with this fact

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I heavily disagree with you on this one. It's just that the Zelda fanbase seems to be splintered into several different little groups, though I am positive that is not nearly as extreme as some people make it out to be.

more than half of this list are not RPGs

The consensus is that OOT, ALTTP & BOTW are the 3 best games in the series. Contrarians think that MM is better, but in reality it's never been held in the same breath as those 3 & Wind Waker

I think so. With most series, there's usually general agreement about which games are the best. JRPGs in general are also probably the much disputed genre for which games are the best.

It’s absolutely overrated but that doesn’t mean it’s bad

skyrim as a whole is a much more competent game than oblivion and you kind of have to be obtuse to not admit that it's much more polished and visually well designed. but oblivion had many more memorable moments, more 'soul' if you will, and to be quite honest a good chunk of that soul is because of bad gameplay decisions they removed in skyrim.

>Gothic 2 is nowhere to be seen

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Slant magazine isnt fooling anyone with their contrarian bullshit.

>Final fantasy 7
>Not Witcher 3/2/1
>Not red dead redemption 1
>Not GTA V
>Not fucking dark souls 3
>Not KH 3
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>No Mario Odyssey
>No Majora's Mask

>2 is bad
It’s a grind fest like every other NES RPG and the leveling system is great

No 4?

What does overrated mean?
>People like a thing more than I want them to!

Proof that nu/v/ doesn't play nor care about games.

>they have to mean Pokemon. Black & White was ultra niche even for 2015.
Oh shit I didn't even think about Pokemon. Yeah I called bullshit but was thinking about Black&White and it being too niche.

I've no idea about the Pokemon Black/White. Were they even considered that good? It feels odd to pull out any specific pokemon game because they're all so similar, and really only tended to get better with age as they introduced expanded mechanics into the series.

If anything Red/Blue should be at most risk of being overrated, because they are mechanically the lightest and have extremely impactful bugs such as:
>Healing moves didn't work if a Pokemon was 255 HP or 511 HP under its maximum HP
>AI would pick out attacks AFTER a player switched out their Pokemon, meaning they could always hit a player with a super effective attack.
>You could make the game freeze by attacking a Pokemon with a Defense of 3 or lower with an attack of 255 or higher. That's because the game would try to calculate damage by dividing by zero, which was impossible to do.
>There were situations in which using a Great Ball was more effective than using an Ultra Ball.

Like it was actually just chock full of programming errors. However, that's usually offset by how charming the game was. Between secret Mew glitches, Missing No., master ball dupes... the game had so much "secret" stuff that it remained enjoyable despite some of those niche bugs. I dunno, I don't think I could put any pokemon game on a "most overrated" list.

>all games for the last ~5 years
You don't know that many games, do you?

yes all final fantasy games are shit, the Disney rpg with the key sword is shit too, smash bros is also pretty awful
having any of those as the most overrated would be fine

if undertale isn't on that list then it is a shit list

Yea Forumss most overrated games of all time
>Read Dead Redemption
>Fallout: NV
>FF9

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>Final Fantasy VII is overrated

Did I just wake up in 2004? I bet they feel really smart and interesting for making that statement.

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Oh 4 is probably middling too, I dunno. Some of those characters have become SUPER iconic, but the game itself had problems with pacing.

2 is a significantly more grindy game than many of its contemporaries and that prevented a lot of people from really enjoying it like the others. I'm not saying you're wrong to like it. The leveling system was pretty cool. It just lacks any real sense of mass appeal.

>> 2. Super Mario Bros 3

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Kingdom Hearts is fun tho

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>Overrated
>Usually something that everyone talks about constantly but is easily forgotten
>FF7
>Fucking ancient yet everyone talks about it on a daily basis.

I think whatever reputation it has it earned it. People don't know what overrated is.

1 was ok, final mix 2 was amazing. Fuck the rest

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I can only imagine what the westerncucks who are this assblasted about peope having different taste, look like.

Jesus if you dont like japanese style games nobody is forcing you to play them.

You ever consider maybe some people dont care about generic military/sci fi shooter # 177363628 with sjw nonsense shoehorned in.

Most overrated games on Yea Forums
1. FromSoftware games
2. Smash Bros
3. Persona
4. Witcher
5. MGS
6. Yakuza

based IGN

Still seething, eh fromdrone?

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Final Fantasy 7, Japan release date 1997
>low-quality midi music
>no voice acting whatsoever, characters don't even grunt when taking damage
>polygonal character models that are primitive and lacking in detail, even by the standards of the time
>invisible random encounters
>environments are static and small 2d backgrounds
>combat uses the same simplistic menu-based systems as previous games in the series

Grandia, Japan release date 1997
>a beautifully rich fully orchestral score
>characters are voiced during combat and key story moments
>detailed and expressive character sprites
>enemies are visible during exploration
>exploration takes place in sprawling 3D environments
>combat too utilizes a 3D battlefield, with an innovative turn-based combat system that takes into account factors like distance, range and timing of your attacks

Isn't it weird how FF7 is regarded as revolutionizing RPGs, considering it lacked basic features like voice acting and 3D environments? In many ways, FF7 was just a continuation of the SNES FF's before it, playing exactly the same.

Why exactly was FF7 regarded as such a milestone for gaming?

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>Jeff Gerstmann
Giant Bomb is literally kept alive by the shilling money from gamespot

there are a lot of people who never played bioshock 1 or 2 who played infinite. on its own merits its an acceptable, not good, just an acceptable game. slapping the name of one of the best and most beloved franchises on it meant that you have to compare it to bioshock, and it's complete dogshit in comparison. but it also meant that those fans bought it

if you go into infinite completely ignorant, you probably won't hate it. the only reason it incites fury in people is because it has almost nothing do to with bioshock.

its pretty much the last nail in the coffin that gamergate was right and the gaming industry is completely controlled

if the biggest sin a game has is that its overrated, its an excellent game

These lists are always clickbait.stop giving them clicks

>deserves even more praise than it gets
No.
Literally the only good FF game is 6.

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Theres some posts in this thread but I think yours might just be the worst.

Nowadays it doesn't deserve #1, but like 10 years ago it was definitely the most overrated game of all time

Gamespot has Chrono Cross > Chrono Trigger.

they're right

I was talking that specific instance.

All genuinely excellent series so no

People highly rate B/W?

What was the argument there, my idiot friend?

I disagree, but can accept that opinion. I've had the urge to replay CC lately.

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Bioshock infinite isn't an excellent game. It's true that these lists are always clickbait though

>not Ocarina of Time

Fucking Zelda games are the most overrated shit ever.

It's a shitty molineux game before everyone knew he was a hack fraud. It got rave reviews the same at bioshlock infinite did

Ocarina of Time should be, but I guarantee that it was a guy who only grew up with N64 that wrote the list.

so it cemented the JRPG as complete shlock for basement dwelling nerds with no taste, forever immortalizing the genre as trite kitcsh?

>of one of the best and most beloved franchises
We talking about Bioshock here?

>the only reason it incites fury in people is because it has almost nothing do to with bioshock.
No, it's also a pretty bad game in its own right with some pretty stupid and downright self-contradicting design decisions.

>its pretty much the last nail in the coffin that gamergate was right and the gaming industry is completely controlled
It helps no one to be reductive.

Few things:

1. Different reviewers, different opinions, different values for what's important to their experience. There is no such thing as a site-wide standard. Reviews are one person's perspective.

2. There is literally no such thing as an objective review beyond "there are guns. you shoot them. they make sounds." Objectively good and objectively bad or objectively great or objectively shit DO NOT EXIST HOLY SHIT HOW IS THIS CONCEPT SO HARD TO GRASP. NOT WRITING. NOT GAMEPLAY.

3. IGN actually has some of the best news and reviews consistently. It's almost always about merits from the perspective of the average video game player. Very little politics. Very little editorializing. The news is (usually) just the news, so long as you don't follow editors on social media.

Polygon is way worse.

4. Literally no such thing as overrated and underrated. Only "I think this should have gotten more attention because I think it's really good." It is probably what you mean, but saying it in absolutes, without fail, makes you look like a dumbass.

Seething & Literally obsessed

As much as Yea Forums pretends to hate casuals, plenty of the lemmings on here are all too eager to appeal to the supposed authority of gaming journalism sites like any other brainless normie.

>he replied again

how the fuck is Twilight Princess on the list before OOT?

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super mario brothers 1 is surprisingly not fun to play. not on its own merits but SMB3 and SMW are pretty much untouched as platforming all-stars to this day so in comparison its kind of overrated

4 is one of the best-paced JRPGs there is, especially if you use hacks to fix the slow walk speed.

Yea Forums spends too much time shitposting on Yea Forums and not enough time playing games. I know this because it applies to me too.

Objective standards do exist and if you don't think so then you have literally never played limbo of the lost

Bioshock Infinite's biggest sin isn't that its overrated, its just a garbage game to begin with, and its pedigree doesn't help

SMB1 is fun, though. It's not a masterpiece but it's good for what it is;

>black and white
>niche
Who's the zoomed now?

Yeah, even though VI and VII are my favorites, I think I've replayed IV the most because of that.

>Not Ocarina of Time
>Not Half Life 2
>Not Goldeneye 64
>Not The Last of Us

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GT5, yes. the rest are subjective but I can see why they would list them as so. Some are over hyped by fans, but not overrated.

CoD was consistently getting 9s and 10s in reviews back then, people felt it was overrated, which led them to point out problems with the series,l. Now that hating CoD is the popular opinion, people are giving these games a second look and discovering that these games have genuine merits that make them so much better than their imitators.

In other words, CoD became so overrated that it is now underrated.

>an hour later he's still posting about nothing
This is getting sad, just stop

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>Contrarian hipster clickbait, user. You didn't really fall for that did you? A single person might not enjoy FF7, but to deny its impact on the industry as a whole is hands down retarded.

Why would FF7 have any impact on the industry, considering it was essentially IDENTICAL to the (S)NES final fantasies before it

>environments are static 2d backgrounds
>no voice acting whatsover, characters don't even grunt when taking damage and dialogue is still conveyed through text boxes rather than being voiced
>rather than occuring in the environment, combat takes you to a separate battle screen where you can't move or interact with the environment
>the game doesn't even use 3D space in any meaningful way outside of some mini-games
>uses low-quality midi music

>FF7 is the same way. It defined JRPGs for a generation
Nonsense. Jrpgs like Breath of Fire 3 and Grandia were released simultaneously or even before FF7.

>what it did mechanically and narratively can still be seen in JRPGs today.
Such as?

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>super mario brothers 1 is surprisingly not fun to play.
I disagree. It has a certain weight to its controls that modern platformers are often missing. If you get into a certain flow, it can be really exciting, because your jumps have to be quite deliberate, you can't correct too much in mid-air. I like this. I do agree that Bros 3 and World are much better games, but SMB is fun.

Implying any of these hack journos ever played 11 games.

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All your arguments so far seem to boil down to
>it didn't have voice acting
>it's music was low quality
Your points about the battles aren't worth addressing since they occurred in basically the same format in both 6 and 7

Yeah, SMB1 gets fun and satisfying when you master it and can fly through levels extremely fast. You don't have to be an autistic speedrunner to do this, either.

>Also only literal children consider Kefka a decent antagonist. His motivations and actions are completely one dimensional. He's the equivalent of the bully two grades above you that would pick on you until your big brother arrived (hence why he resonates so much with young children).
I'm glad people are finally starting to wake up to this.

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I bet most people on Yea Forums haven't even played half of this list to form their own opinion.

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OOT Objectively is a perfect game & no amount of crying will change that this is what 99 % of the population believes about it

>it's music was low quality
and that one's not even true. The sound quality was mediocre due to its use of midi on old hardware, but in terms of composition the score is great. Maybe not the best in the series but it's still fucking good.
youtube.com/watch?v=S8NGDsnv34M

> OOT
Seething contrarianism, will never be considered overrated
> HL2
Same with Ocarina of Time
> GoldenEye
Is no longer relevant
> TLOU
See OOT & Half-Life 2

>on its own merits its an acceptable, not good, just an acceptable game
I don't even buy that. I was so insulted that they take control out of your hands at the end and you get to watch, -in first person view, not even a cut scene-, your own character kill the antagonist. Taking away your agency at the literal climax was a masterclass in shit story telling. The game is structured like trash, has a trash story, I guess moderately passable gunplay, and that's it.

I guess it looked pretty

This. It's popular to hate on FF7, but the impression it left on vidya is undeniable. While I will always be an FF6 fag, I will always remember Aeris' death and the first time I saw omnislash. Those two things changed rpgs forever.

I still need to play Eternal Punishment. Innocent Sin was great.

All your arguments so far seem to boil down to
>it didn't have voice acting
>it's music was low quality
Are you retarded? You said FF7 changed the industry.

Let's look at some of the major game design paradigm shift of the 90's:

>use of 3d environments
FF7 does not have this, still uses pre-rendered backgrounds

>use of voice acting (almost every game from the mid-90's onwards had voice acting)
FF7 does not have this, especially bizarre since it's such a cinematic/story-heavy game

>use of high quality music (due to cd storage)
FF7 does not have this, still uses midi music.

So how did FF7 change the industry when it was severely lagging behind industry trends?

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Ocarina is the perfect game for people who like easy and colorful puzzle games for 5 year olds.

>will never be considered overrated
yes it will. Millennials aren't as important as they think they are. They might die clutching their N64 cartridges but no one else cares.

> Literally parroting EgoRaptor's arguments, despite him not even being able to play the game properly
Everytime

I honestly can't think of a FF game with a soundtrack that is clear cut better than VII's. VII's is my favorite but I will accept that there are others not far behind, if not in its league.

Reading your post I immediately had memories of seeing Omnislash for the first time and how awesome that was.

>12 of 25 are only on or primarily on nintendo platforms
>4 zelda games, 4 mario games, 4 metroidvanias
>only 3 PC games
>a single tactics/strategy game
The ultimate soi list with no bias whatsoever.

FF7 is adequately rated as one of the most famous games, it was a huge deal how it square abandoned nintendo for playstation and how it pretty much cemented the formula for how all jrpgs would be in 3D.

OOT is a tad janky but it's a product of it's time so people overlook what would be flaws, but it's an honest 90%+ on the scale even if I'm trying to be contrarian, that it directly influenced the Souls series at least gameplay wise so it's still relevant to this day

Still don't get how TP is overrated considering no one really brings it up compared to LTTP or even MM, but then again I haven't given a shit about Zelda since Wind Waker so eh

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Everything good is "overrated" if you ask a cynical asshole. What a meaningless list.

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Seethe. Peesea has no games.

>Your points about the battles aren't worth addressing since they occurred in basically the same format in both 6 and 7
That's the point, you retard. FF7 is functionally identical to the SNES final fantasies. So how did it change the industry?

This list is shit.
Most people don't even know what Black and white is.
The sims is legitimately good and was revolutionary at the time.
Nobody likes MGS4. It is the second worst mgs after 5.

Death Souls or whatever has to be on that list.

Antagonist's definition is 'character that doesn't change'. Kefka's personality doesn't change throughout the game.

He serves as an antithesis to Terra who harnesses the great power she has to protect.

He's hammy as fuck, but he's a wonderful bad guy. Deep =\= good, and 2 dimensional =\= bad

yes, it's not a good game.

FF6 will always be more overrated than 7.
And I don't even care about FF7

T. FF7Fag

I just need a thorough explanation fir why oot isn't an overrated game. See every "best video game of all time" list and you will guaranteed to see ocarina to be number 1. It isn't a bad game, but I mean they make it seem like the second coming of jesus. It's as tho you aren't allowed to have a different opinion on it either.
When is something overrated anyway? I guess that it should be defined first. So yea, define it and then tell my why oot is or isn't overrated. Also post examples so my autistic brain understands.

Don't know who you think you're responding to.

It broke ground in scale and scope of what (j)RPGs could do, given a sufficiently-sized budget. You could argue whether this was a good or a bad thing in the long run but it's pretty undeniable that VII upped the ante in terms of cinematic "epicness."

OOT is a masterpiece & the 3rd most influencial game of all time behind Mario 1 & Mario 64. It will never be considered overrated because it was absolutely flawless & on a completely different planet from any other game when it came out. And in retrospect, still is when you play it on a emulator.

>but muh e-celebs
every time
face it you can't defend the shit game and have to rely on ad hominem and appeals to fag journalist authority.

>It will never be considered overrated because it was absolutely flawless & on a completely different planet from any other game when it came out.
Thanks for proving the point that OoT is insanely overrated. It's a boring game to anyone who didn't have their mind blown by it when they were 9 years old.

>we publish bait and hoover up the ad revenue it brings us

I though Yea Forums users were supposed to be smart?

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>2. Black & White
>No fucking Zelda
>No fucking Super Mario Bros.
This guy is a thin lipped casual
Dropped

>He doesn't use adblock

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I appreciate your explanation. So if something is influential and/or revolutonary, it's immune from being overrated? At least, that's what I got from you.
>Flawless
I guess when you have the same techinical limitations as when it was developed. This doesn't explain what overrated is though.

As a VIIfag, I agree with your general assessments. I do think Sephiroth is a better, more effective foil to the protagonist than Kefka is, but that doesn't mean they both can't be enjoyed in their respective roles as villains.

I like 9's the best. And I'm not even a big fan of 9 overall.

An "standard" is qualitative and quality is an intrinsically a subjective judgement. Something cannot be objectively "better" than something else. For example, 1920x1080 is objectively a *higher* resolution than 640x480, but it is not objectively a *better* resolution than 640x480.

Understanding this is completely fundamental to understanding the distinction between objectivity and subjectivity, and an inability to understand that distinction is a consequence of basic stupidity

>still uses pre-rendered backgrounds
zoomers don't know that FF7 was among the very first games to USE pre-rendered backgrounds, giving the world an incredibly vibrancy that its predecessors all lacked.

Twilight Princess is never even in the top 3 3D Zelda games, let alone the entire series.

Lets be real the only reason why Sims is on the list is because "hardcore gamers" hate it.
The game was revolutionary for its time but because it appealed to a different audience its easy to mock.

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Seems about right, FFVII was the beginning of the downfall of the franchise. It's fucking tragic seeing people praise it as the best one just because it was babbies first FF game.

Sephiroth gets a lot of guff as no one really understood who was in charge, JENOVA or him, and that he is the figurehead of his archetype. Advent Children really ruined him as he went from 'madman who thought he was chosen by the planet to rule the universe' to 'I really wanna fuck with this one dude I met in the army awhile ago'

Sephiroth looms like a shadow over the party, although you don't actually see the real man until Cloud hands him the Black Materia. Sephiroth's interactions with the party are about the perfect level, he shows up enough to keep your party scared but not enough that you don't go 'oh shit, he's here too'

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>whoooooooa...cool graphics...

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>>No fucking Zelda
Pretty sure the maker of that list is atleast literate and actually plays game unlike whatever the fuck you are.

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>The mid-to-late 1990s saw the rise of 3D computer graphics and optical discs in fifth generation consoles. The implications for RPGs were enormous—longer, more involved quests, better audio, and full-motion video. This was clearly demonstrated in 1997 by the phenomenal success of Final Fantasy VII, which is considered one of the most influential games of all time,[253][254] akin to that of Star Wars in the movie industry. With a record-breaking production budget of around $45 million,[253] the ambitious scope of Final Fantasy VII raised the possibilities for the genre, with its more expansive world to explore,[255] much longer quest, more numerous sidequests,[253] dozens of minigames, and much higher production values. The latter includes innovations such as the use of 3D characters on pre-rendered backgrounds,[256] battles viewed from multiple different angles rather than a single angle, and for the first time full-motion CGI video seamlessly blended into the gameplay,[254] effectively integrated throughout the game.[253] Gameplay innovations included the materia system, which allowed a considerable amount of customization and flexibility through materia that can be combined in many different ways and exchanged between characters at any time, and the limit breaks, special attacks that can be performed after a character's limit meter fills up by taking hits from opponents.[254] The materia system is similar to, but more sophisticated than, the slotted item system in Diablo II (2000).[257] Final Fantasy VII continues to be listed among the best games of all time, for its highly polished gameplay, high playability, lavish production, well-developed characters, intricate storyline,[256] and an emotionally engaging narrative that is much darker and sophisticated than most other RPGs.[258] The game's storytelling and character development was considered a major narrative jump forward for video games and was often compared to films and novels at the time.

What a retarded list. Twilight Princess instead of garbage like BotW? Seriously? Fuck off.

>be me
>live with my wife and her boyfriend
>had a vasectomy for my 25th birthday
>work for IGN
>put in charge of making a game list

who are you quoting? no one said that you fucking idiot, the op said "are they right", specifically referencing the article, and that guy said BotW should be #1

Some fag writing a blog.

Incredibly low IQ post

Bioshock Infinite is the exact opposite of a cult classic

Who are you quoting? Follow the reply chain you retard.

>literally cannot take it when someone calls out their favorite shitty series for being vastly overrated

I'd say fuck Nincels but that would be exactly what you've been wanting your whole life.

>Black/White
NOBODY played that game.

All I know is that by the time of the final showdown in Northern Crater, the game had worked me up into both a fever-pitch anticipation AND dread of finally facing him. All thanks to the way the game handled his role up and until that point through the secondhand way people spoke about him, the chilling flashbacks, and the fleeting, preceding encounters with him (through the proxy of Jenovah.) Awesome.

>BotW 5 results
>RDR2 1 result
Both got 97/100 but one got forgotten a month after release. Really makes me think.

Yes and no. FF7 is highly overrated, but Chrono Trigger is even more overrated.

Except bad games can still be overrated

I played it

Snoys first jrpg

Final Fantasy is a terrible series and the vast majority of JRPGs are shit.

No you didn't.

That's the safest list of good games you could possibly have.

>zoomers don't know that FF7 was among the very first games to USE pre-rendered backgrounds, giving the world an incredibly vibrancy that its predecessors all lacked.

You can't possibly be this retarded.

The first game to popularize the use of pre-rendered backgrounds was Alone in the Dark, a game released in 1992, half a decade before Final Fantasy 7.

By the time FF7 was released, other developers were already embracing the possibilities of 3D environments.

As I said, FF7 was already behind the times when it came out.

Good job on undermining your own argument, because you've shown yourself to be a zoomer who doesn't even know anything about older games.

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I did

>MGS4
>God of War
>Bioshock Infinite
IGN is based for making this list as far as i am aware

No

Final Fantasy VII is actually one of the most underrated games of all time.
It was classed as overrated for so long that it became underrated as a consequence.

this & based

If a game is hyped up on release and receives endless praise by reviewers/journalists to the point of being repeatedly described as "the citizen kane of gaming" along with prestigious gaming awards, and then years later is largely forgotten about and generally considered mediocre at best then it's safe to say that game was overrated.

Most people use the term overrated mindlessly but that doesn't make it meaningless.

Yes I did, it was better than Populous and go fuck your mother.

Also toss them bitches into the sea. Go get your own wood you faggots.

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Yes

>IGNs favorite Mario kart is double trash
>they think N64 Zelda is good
>Doom that low
What the serious fuck is wrong with these people?

>No TLoU
Three steps forward and two steps back but still moving in the right direction

Most zoomers dont know this but IGN was started as nintendofanboy site called IGN64.

And people still doubt the nintendo bonus.

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Number 1: All Naughty Dog games.

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So I guess they know what they are talking about then

They probably had friends to play double dash with.

>they have to mean Pokemon. Black & White was ultra niche even for 2015.
Nope.

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>optical discs were a new technology when FF7 came out
No they were not, not by a longshot

>Nintendog coping that hard

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How can they choose from just 11 when they overrate every title they review?

Should be The Last of Us, but FF7 is high on that list.

They sold their stake in the Seattle Mariners which strangely coincided with they're going to shit.

>daddy, can I be like apple?

Brand loyalty is for fags.

Traditional games site coverage like IGN is trustworthy than YouTubers.

Star Wars Battlefront is better than the old ones because of the graphics.

When a game is ported to PC it loses its value. It's like letting poor people in to a fancy buffet.

I'm an idort, but PlayStation is CLEARLY always the best platform, now that SEGA aren't around anymore.

Nigger what? It was Fallout 3.5 and everyone loved it. Not every game you like has to be super obscure, you little shitstain.

Doom is lucky to make it on the list at all

>star wars
>well written
jew space fantasy with lazer swords is not good user

>I think other RPGs like Earthbound and even FFVI have stolen the most overrated title.
*Mother 3 and Chrono Trigger

Pretty good taste if you ask me

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BotW holds that spot.

IGN is overrated

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Some of the this is blatant bait but I'll respond
>He's the equivalent of the bully two grades above you that would pick on you until your big brother arrived
A bully would pick on you and get violent yes, but a grade school bully wouldn't lace your family's water supply with heavy amounts of cyanide to kill them all off just to torture you

yea except they also gave it an amazing review so fuck them

>smb3 over smw
fucking based. SNESbabies will secretly seeth but we all know their game is objectively worse than 3

>dmc overrated
Zoom zoom into your grave little zoomy! Enjoy those C ranks.

Overrated =/= Shit

Chiming in on whether a given videogame is overrated or not means you have a stake in what the popular consensus is among strangers about an ultimately, unimportant hobby. Fucking sad.

>It was Fallout 3.5 and everyone loved it.

Correction: Yea Forums loved it. The mainstream liked it for being more Fallout 3, but they gave it lower ratings across the board because 3 was more "epic" and they didn't like the beefgates at the start. Plus, the FO3 autists spent plenty of time calling out NV for "stealing" mods from 3.

IV Was one of the most well-paced games in the series, arguably the genre too. If anything it gets points off because the story didn't age all that well and is quite cliche to today's standards, that and the character development is very lackluster in today's comparison, but it nonetheless had a great cast, amazing soundtrack, low difficulty to get people into the genre, and introduced genre changing mechanics to it's series in the form of ATB

>no mention of halo at all
wonder how much microsoft bribed them at the time.

It's overrated but still pretty excellent regardless

u idiot great games can be overrated. doesn't mean they suck

>and introduced genre changing mechanics to it's series in the form of ATB

>one of the worst things to happn to turn-based combat
>"genre changing"

That's like praising Halo for popularizing 2 weapon limit and regenerating health.

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I wouldn't say any of the Halo games were overrated except you could make a case for Reach. 1-3 were rightfully deserved, odst wasn't outstanding but never overhyped, and few people cared about Halo post-reach in comparison to before.

So in your opinion, staying turn based for all RPGs is the correct way to do it?

>So in your opinion, staying turn based for all RPGs is the correct way to do it?
What do you mean, 'staying turn based'? There is plenty of variety within pure turn-based combat without resorting to implementing clunky real-time gimmicks like ATB.

so?

THE SIMS? THE GOD DAMN SIMS? YOU KNOW HOW FUNDAMENTAL THAT GAME WAS? IT'S A MASTERPIECE JUST FOR ITS SOUNDTRACK ALONE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE KILL THEM BOB KILL THEM ALL

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Plenty of variety? You're being vague, gimme examples of games then.

>Plenty of variety? You're being vague, gimme examples of games then.

There is more variety in a small number of purely turn-based games like Invisible Inc, Wizardry 8, Jagged Alliance 2 or Divinity: Original Sin than there is in the entirety of the Final Fantasy series put together.

What do you think ATB does that other turn-based games can't do?

I bet IGN gave every game on that list an 8-10 rating.

The reason why final fantasy 7 is always decried as an overrated game is threefold.

1. From 2006 to 2014, game journalists were pushing heavily to make the gaming market more american based then japanese based, due to simple business and business ties logic. Since ff7 epitomizes japans #1 genre, the jrpg, it qas easy to lampoon.

2. That era was manifested by the dudebro dorito pope stereotype of gaming, so games that catered to that crowd (cod, gta) were placed first and foremost in appraisal while games that that demographic didn't like (turn based rpgs, platformers) were pushed to the sidelines or demeaned. You play to your crowd, not against them.

3. And this one is the controversial one but you know it to be true, is that people hate final fantasy, not for its gameplay oe its story, but because the main characters are pretty boys. Whenever some men see another male that is easily superior in looks, they end up acting like mean girls and won't shut up about how much they hate it.

All in all, if the last of us or gta v are still as great as they say they are, then ff7 is still as good as they say it is.

>Ocarina of Time not being on the top 3
the fanobyism I've seen towards that fucking game is insane, there's fags that actually believe it's the greatest game of all time

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You are a retarded fanboy, FF7 is basicaly the ocarina of time of the PS1.

Both are shit and not as good as the nostalgia ridden fags claim they are.

I'm was confused on what you meant but I think I'm following you now. You've listed games that came out post ff4, all which have had years or decades to refine genre mechanics. Each of those have improved on the turn based structure found in a majority of RPGs. The whole main draw of the FF series is innovation, and my point I was making is that ff4 brought in a new standard that was copied by others in the form of ATB. Stuff like active time battle makes battles more interactive, as quick decision making is more paramount, action economy is emphasized to a greater degree, things such as attacking and casting speed can be measured, players can change decisions at a higher rate. The ATB system is one that to this day is used as a foundation of sorts for a majority of RPGs.

ff7 and sims I disagree with
rest are overrated

Yea Forums didn't like it until years later because they're heepsters.

This. When I played it back in 2010 I didn't expect it to be as good as it was. A lot of the small things about the game(especially in disc 1) are underrated.

based

Nah, 6 is the overrated one now. Back then the narrative was that 7 was overrated and only true fans played the real good one which was 6, so a bunch of special snowflakes who wanted to fit in and didn't want to be part of mainstream group think decided that they would be part of the underground elitist group think. This spread enough until now nearly everyone says that 7 is overrated and that 6 is far better which makes 6 the far more overrated one because it's become the standard.

6 is better than 7, though.

Imagine seething so hard that you will convince yourself that everyone else is wrong & OOT isn't a masterpiece

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I bet who ever wrote that article is 20 some years old and didn't play FF VII when it was still fresh

>don't mess with me, man. I have Professional Gaming Journalists in my corner!

Really embarrassing.

>this completely made up bullshit
If western journalists hated japanese games so much, then why do chrono trigger and ff6 are voted nr1/nr2 in every top 100 rpgs poll? You do realize jrpgs have been more mainstream in the west than wrpgs for most of their existence?

Holy shit what a fucking fraud

> BBBUT They don't count
> Critics don't count
> Critical acclaim doesn't count
> Opinions from millions of people that say something is good doesn't count
> Only my opinion matters
Pathetic, just cope more please

Aww. Were you too embarrassed to look at the image?

Age killed it just like OOT but I don’t call these overrated because time legit murdered them but I didn’t grow up with them and both sucked kinda in my opinion when I played them years later OOT prolly because I never enjoy zelda and FF7 because the gameplay is behind megaten

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Unpopular Opinion: BOTW Zelda was unironically a better character than Link has ever been

>can't name a single better game
How to spot a tourist.

>Twilight Princess instead of Orcarina of Time

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>Best character
>Link, Pikachu, a fucking Pokemon MC
what? do any of them even have a fucking personality or development?

Not him but as someone who grew up in the 2000s with a N64, GameCube & Xbox 360. All of these games are on the same level of quality as OOT in my opinion
> Final Fantasy VI
> Metroid Prime
> A Link To The Past
> Chrono Trigger
> Shadow of the Colossus
> Super Mario Galaxy
> Resident Evil 4

Absolutely, what a pile of fucking garbage, a genuine 1/10 game.

Except this article predates the games release.

>action economy is emphasized to a greater degree, things such as attacking and casting speed can be measured
Pool of Radiance, which came out in 1988, already did this stuff, and it did it without inserting clunky real-time elements. In Pool of Radiance characters can delay their turns, spells can take multiple turns to cast, during which they can get interrupted, etc.

Actually worse than Yea Forums when lists pop up here
>MGS4
If they said MGS2, sure. MGS4 is wildly hated and definitely considered the worst out of MGS1-4.
>Gran Turismo 5
Same shit as 4, considered worse than the PS1/2 games so why the fuck is it even remotely overrated? It was somewhat salvaged via updates but GT3 is more overrated.
>God of War series
True, surprised they had the balls to say this but clearly didn't have the balls to put OoT or Majora's Mask
>Twilight Princess
Same shit as before, they target the games people actually hate on instead of the known good games but are still clearly overrated.

OoT is underrated because zoomers will never bother to play it because muh old graphics.

If anything, it should've been Wind Waker in there.

But everything you said is true. The alternative is to have a stake in one of the most pointless debates in existence: what's the best videogame?

Reconsider your priorities.

Who cares? He saved the image on his harddrive like it's some deadly debate ammo. Lol. Pathetic.

This, OOT, FF6, Half-Life 2 & RE4 are all underrated now since Zoomers don't appreciate them like past Generations did

> Actually believing this
Jesus christ, Contrarians need to fucking kill themselves

I mean, have you seen the average game critic? they are as trustworthy as an old lady with alzheimer's when it comes to vidya opinions.
also
> Opinions from millions of people that say something is good doesn't count
I don't even need to point out why this is a bad argument

Ok, fair point. PoR was probably outsold by FF4 10 to 1 at minimum. Any other flaws in my argument that you'd like to point out?

Infinite should be #1

Otherwise good list

How come dk64 isn't on this list? Or any Nintendo game for that matter other than TP

They aren't overrated, and nobody has ever been able to explain why they aren't great games other than the non existent "Nintendo Bonus". BOTW being the lone exception since it actually is overrated

>Any other flaws in my argument that you'd like to point out?
The real-time aspect of ATB actually punishes paying attention to the action economy and turn order, since you continue getting attacked during your turn, so the optimal strategy becomes to mash the attack button as fast as pissible to defeat the enemies before they can get any hits in.

I really should get around to playing it
it might also have sufficiently grunt-level script to be simple enough to practice nipnong with
yes I'm aware of my inability to acquire proficiency

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All better than Ocarina:

Dark Souls
Baldur's Gate 2
TIE Fighter
X-Wing
Legend of Zelda
Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy Tactics
World of Warcraft
Street Fighter II
Starcraft
Mega Man X

Also I don't play FPS games so can't even count them.

>Ok, fair point. PoR was probably outsold by FF4 10 to 1 at minimum.
Sure, but D&D's initiative system was almost certainly an inspiration for FF4's combat system, just like FF1-3 all copied Wizardry's combat system.

OoT is rated accurately by everyone except people born between 1984 and 1994.

Skyrim should be number 1. Just my two cents

Based article.

Talking about 10 games out of thousands, and doing it 20 years too late? Pfft. No thanks.

Wrong
> 2005 Best Game Ever Contest
> 2nd Place: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
> The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the ultimate gaming experience. It successfully combines several different genres all wrapped into one gold cartridge (if you were lucky) to deliver one of the finest gaming experiences of all-time. To this day, some 6 years later, most still refer to it as the greatest video game of all-time. Well, it certainly is my absolute favorite, but, perhaps the jury is still out on whether it is the best ever. But, you sure can make a compelling argument for it. It's a purely magical experience that is immersive, challenging, intelligent and simply a lot of fun to play. A grand, epic experience that is one of the greatest achievements in the history of video gaming. - HeMan1980

And you guys believe hacks like this and read them like a devil reads bible. Makes me want to kill myself to be even in the same website as you are

Yes. FFT is miles better.

This is your daily reminder that a game's "impact on the industry" has absolutely nothing to do with its quality as an individual game.

FFVII is a very straightforward JRPG.
It doesn't do anything particularly outlandish or new.
Its mechanics are serviceable but could have been better.
The narrative suffers from poor conveyance, an absentee villain with esoteric motives that are not properly expanded upon, and a major character death that comes far too early. Among other things.
Bonus points for that shitty translation.

FFVII was a landmark title for Final Fantasy, for JRPGs, for the PS1, and for gaming as a whole.
But it's also overrated.

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The playstation 1 had only been out for 3 years and was the first disc based console that could be considered anything close to a success, seeing wide spread adoption across the industry. Sega CD and Atari Jaguar were both flops, and the Dreamcast came out the same year (and was also sort of a financial disaster).

CDs were definitely a new technology when FF7 and were, in fact, the entire reason Square Soft ended up signing up with Sony and abandoning nintendo (for which every previous Final Fantasy had been made).

What a dumb post.

This, games like OOT genuinely aged well & playing it for the first time this year blew me away. It truely is the GOAT

There are countless battles among atb games where spamming attack is not only inefficient but detrimental to success; that point is invalid.

Not directly, but dnd initiative system was directly involved with making turn based combat the rpg standard, so if you're making that much of a stretch then you would have to concede that much

This topic is worthless to discuss here. Yea Forumstendo is full of millennial burgers who grew up with an N64. You can claim that Zelda trash is humanity's best creation and it still wouldn't be overrated to them. At least snoyboys can admit final faggotry 7 is overrated.

That's not fair user. Final Fantasy Tactics is literally the greatest game that's ever been made. "FFT is miles better" applies to literally any game you could name.

If you haven't played FFIV's implementation of ATB you should just stop commenting now.
>implementing clunky real-time gimmicks like ATB
It's not clunky in FFIV at all.
>Pool of Radiance
Fucking lol.
You cannot accuse some other game of being "clunky" and then try to hold of Pool of Radiance as NOT clunky. There's a whole mod designed to reduce some of the sheer awful awkwardness involved trying to play those gold box games (gbc.zorbus.net/). And even then there's not much to be done about issues like having to enter the same options in repeatedly for 40 minutes on end while level 1 units on both sides fucking whiff every turn.

Yes, those D&D games have a higher difficulty than FFIV and have many redeeming qualities. I played both of them when I was a kid (the Krynn series specifically). But FFIV is infinitely more polished and streamlined, while still retaining solid decision-making based gameplay. The real-time element is NOT clunky and the game is very well balanced around it.

FFIV is balanced around decisiveness. Hesitation is punished, but you don't need to be eLmaGus or anything. The ability spread is just good enough that you need to make good decisions quickly, and can make bad and sub-optimal decisions. The battles come and go at a good pace, it's not like the Gold Box games where you can be stuck on one tedious battle for 30 minutes.

There are so many ways that FFIV is superior to the Gold Box games it's not even close. The only thing Gold Box has is the 2D grid and the deep D&D ability list (but even then substantially trimmed and limited due to the limitations of the engine)

Seething snoyboy

tryhard zoomlet detected, must suck having to grow up in a time where no fun allowed

OoT is overrated too.

OoT is just a slower, clunkier ALttP.

A good comparison might be Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction.
Nothing really wrong with ToD in a vacuum.
But it doesn't do anything particularly new, and doesn't excel at anything that it does.
There are a few half-baked gimmicks for the new tech.

It's a good game, but ultimately it's just a safe transition into the new generation hardware, easily improved upon.
And as A Crack in Time blew ToD out of the water, so Majora's Mask SHOULD have blown OoT out of the water.
MM had a strong narrative, a complex and interesting game world, more creative dungeons and sidequests, and best of all was an actual brand-new game.

But people love OoT because that was the one that wowed them by being Zelda in 3D.
And now damn-near every 3D Zelda is just an OoT clone, and by extension an ALttP clone.

While I won't believe anyone here has a perfectly comprehensive knowledge of JRPGs at that time (we've all missed games that others consider "popular"), FFVII did a number of things that stood out, mechanically.

I mean first and foremost was the materia system. The idea that you could level up accessories on one character and then re-assign them to any other character at any time, accessories that not only modified stats, but also gave access to every single non-basic ability in the game, was a huge deviation from standard JRPGs. Look at previous Final Fantasy (all class based, either with static classes like FF6 or class swapping like FF5). Look at Valkyrie Profile, Legend of Dragoon, Chrono Trigger, Star Ocean, Parasite Eve, Growlanzer, Lunar Silver Star Story, Persona, Xenogears, Earthbound, Suikoden, Secret of Mana... the list goes on. Any given character would have their own list of spells / abilities. Final Fantasy 7 DEFINITELY innovated with the materia system.

Not to mention the sheer SCOPE of FF7 was unheard of at the time. How large the game was, how much stuff there was to do. Side quests, hidden content, full integration of CGI cut scenes... pretending that FF7 didn't completely blow out the JRPG competition of 1997 is foolish in the extreme.

yes everyone knows that puffy millennial boys overrate Ocarina, both now and in 2005.

>> Super Mario Galaxy
Genuinely curious what makes this better than Mario 64? They seemed to have very similar feeling controllers, and N64 always felt more charming? I know that's a bit like the Soul vs Souless cop-out excuse, but what did Galaxy do to really set itself above the rest?

I'm not saying FFVII wasn't an impressive spectacle in 1997.

But impressing people isn't the same as being a great game.
In fact I would argue Square often leans on the crutch of spectacle in order to cover up the shortcomings of their games.

COPE

True. But FFVII is a great game.

>seething faglord who probably plays skyrim
Not him but Skyrim is decent with mods

Majoras mask is way more overrated than princess, and BioShock Infinite needs to be way up in the list
Never heard anyone talk about Gran Turismo 5 in my entire life, should instead be Smash Bros Melee
Mgs3 is way more overrated than 4

So much wrong with this list

>the objectively best game of all time isn't good because I wasn't born yet
the absolute state of Yea Forums

It was fine, it doesn't really do anything wrong.
But I think it's got a ways to go before I could call it great.

Either way, absolutely overrated.

The only reason why people are arguing over which one is better is thanks to FF7. Nobody would give a shit about FF series if it wasn't for FF7. Btw Chrono Trigger is way better game than FF6,

I played it in 99 and remember finding the game disgustingly horrible to look at outside of battles, much uglier than other 2d RPGs at the time. I remember all my friends complaining the battle models looked great but the chibi ones were stupid.

FF7 happens to be both, but that's like saying "Yeah, the song has amazing lyrics, but that doesn't mean the music is good".

Lyrics are a part of the song. They impact your experience by being an integral aspect of your interaction with the content. In the same fashion, visual effect your experience with a game. It's why zoomers can't play anything made before 2005.

The size of the world, the cinematics, the gorgeous backgrounds. If you weren't playing RPGs in 1997 it may be hard to fully articulate what it was like when FF7 dropped, but my god it took the gaming world by storm and really showed what JRPGs of the future could be.

Oh yeah FF7... In 1997 I was playing PC games like Heretic or Doom. I never had a ps1 but I played the 1998 demo on PC. It was just another jrpg with static backgrounds and turn battles. In the era of full 3d games I couldn't really give a fuck about it.

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> Graphically, Ocarina of Time is simply unmatched. Everything about the game just looks fantastic. You can see Death Mountain in the background of some portions of the game, complete with various smoke effects depending on what stage of the game you're in. The cinematics, which, of course, use the game engine, look absolutely spectacular, and the effects used (the time travel sequence is especially sweet looking) really give the game a spectacularly majestic look. The game's sound is also really quite amazing. Every tune in the game perfectly relates to the onscreen action. Even the songs you play on the ocarina are hummable. The sound effects are also perfect. The speech consists of mostly laughter, gasps, and battle yelps (heavy on the "hi-yah!") and works very, very well. The game also takes your location into consideration. Dungeons and large canyons sound appropriately echoey, while underwater, noises are nice and warbled.
> It manages to combine small aspects from all the previous Zelda games, giving you the same Zelda feel but in an entirely new way. Even in its huge, fiercely 3D world, the game retains a truly classic feel. This is a sequel at its finest, expanding on previous themes and bringing plenty of new stuff to the table.
> Even if you're specifically looking for it, it's hard to find fault in Ocarina of Time. OK, to be fair, there's a slight bit of slowdown in a couple locations, such as the water temple, but it isn't frequent or harmful enough to even matter. The game offers a nice challenge, a stunningly well-told story, and the gameplay to back it all up. This game is the real thing. This is the masterpiece that people will still be talking about ten years down the road. This is the game that perfectly exhibits the "quality not quantity" mantra that Nintendo has been touting since the N64 was released. OOT is flawless. To call it anything else would be a goddamn lie. - GameSpot (1998)

>If you haven't played FFIV's implementation of ATB you should just stop commenting now.
I have. ATB is nothing more than a bastardization of turn-based combat, by adding a real-time element that means you can get attacked during your turn, thus defeating the whole point of using a turn-based system. This artificial time pressure also means the optimal strategy in 99.9% of battles is to mindlessly mash the (auto-)attack button as fast as possible before enemies can get any hits in.

It's also incredibly slow. In a normal turn-based game, you input your commands and they are executed. But in an ATB game, you first have to wait for the characters' ATB bars to slowly fill before you can input commands, and after they are executed, you have to wait again for them to fill before you can input new commands, over and over.

Consider for example the following comparison:

Here is a random encounter in FF4
youtube.com/watch?v=oLgbqywWJcM

Here is a random encounter in Fallout
youtube.com/watch?v=RtN2fZhU2Ss

Despite your characters being massively overpowered, the random encounter in FF4 takes longer to complete than the random encounter in Fallout, which involves dozens of combatants with the ability to move around, so you'd think it take longer than FF4. And Fallout's combat system isn't even particularly fast, it's just that ATB is incredibly slow.
>where you can be stuck on one tedious battle for 30 minutes.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Gold Box encouners are extremely quick to go thrrough, because there are almost no animation to the character sprites.

The Materia system is clearly just an evolution of the Job system from FF5. Basically, characters are blank templates and you can plug in abilities to slots any time you want (except during battle). FF7 only changed 2 fundamental things.

1. They tied the growth to the item itself rather than the character. This was probably motivated by a desire to also have a configurable party like FF6, without winding up with a few characters having all the abilities.

2. They split up the abilities into little tiny units rather than grouping them into classes, and having each materia piece make minor stat modifications instead of having class and sub-ability make major stat modifications as in FF5.

>Final Fantasy 7 DEFINITELY innovated with the materia system.
Yes, although I'm of two minds of whether it was in a good direction. Materia itself is pretty good, won't deny that (although it has a tendency toward bland hybrid builds, where the FF5 system forces you to make interesting tradeoffs).

But it does increase the abstraction level of the game and put further distance between the symbolic gameplay elements and the real-world concepts they're supposed to represent. It was kind of a stretch in FF5 to believe that you could be a thief in one battle then "switch jobs" and become a black mage for the next. But you accepted it because the result was an awesome fun game. And now with FF7 we have to accept some kind of "materia" that "grows" when you have it "equipped" on a weapon during battle.

backwards. I was in college when Ocarina came out and found it boring and disappointing compared to all the other games I had to play. (In 1998 it was Final Fantasy Tactics, 1999 was X-Wing Alliance)

>Not to mention the sheer SCOPE of FF7 was unheard of at the time. How large the game was, how much stuff there was to do. Side quests, hidden content, full integration of CGI cut scenes... pretending that FF7 didn't completely blow out the JRPG competition of 1997 is foolish in the extreme.
Did it? Consider the following:

Final Fantasy 7, Japan release date 1997
>low-quality midi music
>no voice acting whatsoever, characters don't even grunt when taking damage
>polygonal character models that are primitive and lacking in detail, even by the standards of the time
>invisible random encounters
>environments are static and small 2d backgrounds
>combat uses the same simplistic menu-based systems as previous games in the series

Grandia, Japan release date 1997
>a beautifully rich fully orchestral score
>characters are voiced during combat and key story moments
>detailed and expressive character sprites
>enemies are visible during exploration
>exploration takes place in sprawling 3D environments
>combat too utilizes a 3D battlefield, with an innovative turn-based combat system that takes into account factors like distance, range and timing of your attacks

Isn't it weird how FF7 is regarded as revolutionizing RPGs, considering it lacked basic features like voice acting and 3D environments? In many ways, FF7 was just a continuation of the SNES FF's before it, playing exactly the same.

Why exactly was FF7 regarded as such a milestone for gaming?

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$100 million marketing

>Nintendo and cartridges are more reliable for consumers
also more expensive, because guess what - all those extra nintendo taxes on those cartridges got passed on to the consumer.

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>Here is a random encounter in FF4
- PinkPuff not a normal random encounter, fucknut. It's a joke fight where your characters get auto-berserked and the enemies have high HP.
- The King Ryu (more typical) takes 45 seconds despite the player being a retard and triggering pointless counter-attack animations by using Rydia and Rosa to melee without proper weapons.
- The bomb fight takes 30 seconds.

>optimal strategy in 99.9% of battles is to mindlessly mash the (auto-)attack button as fast as possible before enemies can get any hits in.
Your example proves this wrong. The player should not have mashed attack because this provoked the dragon to use his paralyze counter-attack several more times than he would have. And that's on an obviously over-leveled character

>Gold Box encouners are extremely quick to go thrrough, because there are almost no animation to the character sprites.
Not when they are level one characters that miss more often than not. Even if you just press the arrow to move in the direction for attack you still have to wait for the feedback text to show up, and then you have to wait for all 6 enemies to miss you back. Then you do it again, 10 fucking times, until the battle finally ends.

ign own Yea Forums

Mass fucking manipulation

Because Grandia wasn't a sequel to a SNES game that Sony could use for glorified console war shitposting. See image: >Someone please get the guys who make cartridge games a cigarette and a blindfold

>Possibly the greatest game ever made is available only on Playstation
>Good thing, if it were available on cartridge, it'd retail for about $1,200.

so what you're saying is that Final Fantasy VII was the original Bayonetta 2?

> 4. Twilight Princess
doesn't this game get a lot of shit?

Yes, but after Skyward Sword people were very much in a "Was TP really THAT BAD" mood. And it really isn't, if we're being honest. Definitely not the best game in the series but it's better than the hatebase will admit.

Of course because chrono trigger and ff6 were selling on the ps3 and xbox 360 at the time right? You dont make a best movies list and not put citizen kane on there, no matter your preference for it.

Furthermore
GTA 3= not overrated
Last of us = not overrated
Skyrim = not overrated
Final fantasy 7 = overrated.

One of these things is not like the other.

if it were a personal opinion I wouldn't put it on there. CK was good for the time and it's still a good story, but other movies have surpassed it in nearly everything it innovated in just because it came out over half a century ago.

welp, time to pack it in, guys. heman1980's opinion is the only one that matters.

swap okarina with the sims