FF7 remake Battle system analysis

i don't mind the change since the combat doesn't look like xv-tier garbage from what we've seen.
i'd be lying if i said i didn't prefer turn-based, though. it would have been interesting to see an old-school turn-based jrpg with the budget and graphical fidelity of nu-final fantasy.

> a game playing like Kingdom Hearts 2 is adapting with the times but Persona 5 and Dragon Quest 11 are relics.

I better still be able to use Materia and fucking ZAP that Scorpion mech.

>why everyone is scared it's gonna be like XV's? was it that bad?

Yes.
1 button "combat"
you have a timer to heal yourself with potions (which the game hands out like candy) whenever you get to 0 HP and there is no limit to doing this
all extra combat skills are completely optional (the AP can be spent on better things, like more accessory slots for the party) and not needed to beat the game

All because Tabata wanted FFXV to pander to casuals.

Sure, the FF series was kinda easy to begin with but XV takes it to new heights in how fucking easy it is.

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I can't wait to explore the world from an up close and personal perspective.

The ones asshurt about the turn based combat can go neck themselves. The original will always be there for you, but it won't let you manfight enemies and bosses in action mode nor let you go around places that aren't fucking pre-rendered backgrounds.

I just wanna fight the bosses in their real scale, and see the summons and how they work.
God, I wanna see Alexander.

This is copy paste from 2017 leak
>an action combat like KH's one. In more detail: you can freely move around, jump, attack and defend too, all in real time like in any action game; meanwhile, however, you have a time gauge that fills as time goes on like a classic ATB bar. When the bar is full, a command menu pops up where you can select the desired commands like Magic, Enemy Skill, Summon, etc. like in the original, but without interrupting the flow of battle. And since every character has its own time gauge, even while constantly being in control of a single character, you can easily input commands for the others too when their gauge is full (you can still switch between characters, however)

>No Don Corneo trying to rape a fifteen year-old Asian girl
>No Tifa calling Barret a retard
>No casino owner wearing only a speedo
>No gay sex sauna
>No unbuttoned Yuffie short shorts
>No Bugenhagen being a weird old man whose bottom half is a hovering beachball
>No blood trails all over Shinra HQ
>No weird camera angles at specific times
>No squats minigame
>No Vincent turning into Frankenstein's Monster
>No "Let's mosey."
>No Cid verbally abusing Shera
>No CPR on the little girl
>No Red XIII dressed as a soldier
>No Barret dressed in a sailor outfit
>No Hojo trying to mate Red XIII with Aeris
>Increased focus on the Turks and Rufus
>Addition of Crisis Core people like Angeal and Genesis
>Aeris having her KH "pure and innocent" personality
>Wacky enemies reduced in frequency
>Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge added as temporary party members
>Aerith

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>Traditional turn based JRPGs are all but a relic of the past.
people keep saying this, but there's really no evidence of it. pokemon is still huge worldwide, dragon quest is still huge in japan, persona just hit the mainstream. smt, kiseki and digimon story are still going strong. studios like compile heart, nippon ichi and gust have built a comfortable niche for themselves with smaller-scale turn-based jrpgs.

It's a remake, not a remaster. I think it's okay. Super-realistic graphics would just look ridiculous paired with turn-bssed combat.

Bump for a thread with actual substance

>FFXV's combat was a downright atrocit-

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Fuck off with this webm. You can replicate the same thing with FF7 itself. XV is flawed but "Hold O to win" is a meme at best.

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my guess is that x is jump, but honestly, the game doesnt need it if there is a solid system for environmental interactions. FF XV is an example of terrible, slow and pointless interactions. Having seen cloud slide through small spaces and hang from bars im a little concerned

>nothing changed since the 2015 trailer

Did you even watch the fucking video, retard?

>not all A+
>god tier
n-no

It is though. Don't be fooled by how good the animations are. The fighting is still not fun as it could be.

That sounds legit interesting.

Not an argument. Even the same slide dash animation was also in the psx 2015 trailer and was used in the same context. It's clearly the same game but more optimized.

FF7's battle system also sucks.

this sounds genius desu.

Name another game where I can bash the head in of a sacred, all-powerful, ancient ruler with a boombox sword while shirtless.

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Correct. But there is more to it than holding the regular attack button. And the same extends to XV. You're just lowerign quality of discussion with your worthless meme spouting.

>mfw it's still going to be fucking episodic
Why?

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Graphically it does look fantastic however, It also blocks off a lot of the environmental details that really make the industrialpunk 90's anime aesthetic of ff7
It's this awful dark fog shit that was used in the original, but never this heavily, on top of the massive explosions used for nearly all weapons

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This is my analysis: it looks like ass.. Why are square scared of ATB these days? ATB is a great system. It may not be flashy, but it sure as shit plays better than the detestable combat systems they replaced it with for FF12, FF13 and of course FF15.

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12 and 13 are ATB.

>How do actual FF7 fans feel about the combat system change?
I'm ok with it since non turn based combat has it advantages. Such as immersion. Also you can still have turn based options.

I know a lot of my friends that played it are really unhappy that its not turn-based.

Me personally. I could see an action type system working just fine. I like seeing Cloud and Co. actually moving around and fighting. I dont want FFXV or KH3 though. Maybe something a little more similar to Crisis Core actually, where you'd have the menu and certain moves available based on the materia you had equipped. Obviously without that terrible slot machine mechanic

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>jump with X
>attack with square
>magic/summons/items meny with O
>R1 lock-on, L1/L2/R2 item and magic shortcuts
Kangdom Hearts, but less shit.

stop trying os hard o derail the thread, you faggot.

Crisis Core plays like KH/FFXV on a base level though.

KH2FM is literally peak action vidya.

I don't mind about the battle system...

but the world map...these fucking hacks are really 100% removing it and replacing it with a shitty linear passageway aren't they Yea Forums?

There's even the triangle command from BBS. Hopefully it's not as shit as KH3.

so basically like Lightning Returns only this instead of dress it's your party?

You know why. To make money and ultimately end the PS4 era on a high note.

>kingdom hearts combat
>not completely shit

I'd be fine with it playing like Crisis Core 2 minus the RNG leveling.

>first announce you are making the game in 2015
>4 years later
>almost no progress
Can't wait for the 2025 release on PS6

This game has both LR and KH2 battle planners on the staff. That could explain why it seems like a fusion that takes ideas from both.

Casuals hate thinking games.

Git gud.

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People have been saying that since FFIX, but it's really only Squeenix and retarded zoomers that are stuck in this "progressive" mindset. Regular people don't have a problem with turn based combat. But Square has been pandering to the West for too long, trying to redefine the franchise as hack and slash action movie games, that they fell for their own bullshit.

REMINDER PEOPLE WHO WILL DISLIKE THE GAME ARE THE ONES THAT CANT ADAPT

It’s great, I’ve already played FF7 many times as it is. I want to experience it differently and in a way that sets it apart from the original. I love action games a ton and so long as Nomura keeps it in line with decent action games I’m all for it.

I really do hope it’s an action game/atb hybrid style of combat with some depth to it.

>Square has been pandering to the West
How have they been pandering to the west?

It's why i'm not interested in it. I've given up on Final Fantasy, as i know it's done with turn based.

>git gud
>posts a webm where the enemies dont do anything

>almost nothing changed since the 2015 trailer
>material skills like braver

Wrong on both counts.

If it really does have KH2 combat then I'm ok with with it.
Still, I'd rather see an option to have turn based combat too in case the KH2 combat sucks.

>There are people who unironically want ATB combat

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Hate on the combat and the character redesigns all you want. But the decision to release VIIR across multiple games was a good idea.

explain

Why the fuck are they doing these shitty half action half menu combat systems? If they want to make an action game, then fucking make an action game, not some half-assed shit that fails on all fronts

I like a fresh view on the gameplay, if I want to replay FFVII, I can do it at any time I want.

I'm still afraid that they'll include the shit from Crisis Core like Gackt and ruin all the jokes and humor of the original, they ahve to grow some balls and keep it all.

>hold x to win
>had to stop to heal

great webm bro you really showed me

The game is piss easy and doesn't even have progression past level 40. I beat all content in the game at level 44 and had to farm portals to reach 99 for the trophy. It's shit.

Ff7 was linear most of the time and you coulnt explore something after way later in the gamd

>mash x
>press right on the dpad
>mash x some more
>press right on the dpad again
Truly impressive.

>But the decision to release VIIR across multiple games was a good idea.
Can't wait for episode 3

imagine

if you're 25 years old you'll probably be able to play episode 3 in your forties

All of these except 13 used ATB though, dumbass.

While I don’t agree with them about turn based being a relic, all of the games you mentioned don’t say on the virtue of being turn based games. They sell for a lot of other components that together make the complete package work. Nobody is buying any of these because they’re turn based titles. And there are no games, especially modern ones that sell themselves on being turn based for a reason.

>lose all progress between games
Can't fucking wait

If you haven't played level 1 your opinion is irrelevant. You are just another retarded casual.

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>dude the gameplay is good if you make a conscious effort to make it more difficult

epic

epic for the win

There is no possible way they will include Gackt considering he’s fucked them over on ever being able to resell Crisis Core or Dirge.

13 uses ATB.

That's not an argument, retarded fanboy. That's called artificial difficulty.

seems pretty clear that the majority of fights will simply be
>standard attacks to build limit gauge(s)
>use limit
>switch to another character
>repeat

>early finisher with storm flag
>X

Retard outs himself

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I meant 15, my bad.

That's just to distract your anger from the fact they will fuck up everything that made the story and atmosphere good. I have no hope for this remake, and FFVII is my favourite game.

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Considering the story is rife with plot holes on top of having a poor translation, I doubt that's possible.

Those games being turn-based is also a big part of why people like them

I can’t wait for people to get upset that Cloud didnt actually act the way the localization made him seem and they remember.

Awesome! they fixed Cloud's hungry skeleton look

Babby casuals afraid of the Zero Exp ability provided by the game

kh13.com/news/tai-yasue-talks-about-kingdom-hearts-iiis-critical-mode-whats-changed-whats-new-and-how-to-survive-it-r3008/

>Tai Yasue: For people who really want a challenge, you can decide to not carry over Keyblades, equip the “Zero EXP” ability, and play through Critical Mode without leveling up at all. This will test your concentration, willpower, and skill as a player, but we did balance the game so that you’re able to clear it - even with those options.

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I'm sure SE will keep some of the characteristic camera angles and the overall aesthetic of FFVII

...

>artificial difficulty that's still circumvented by abilities with endless i-frames is what makes this game good guise
Neck yourself, braindead retard.

the combat system is a big part of the appeal for both pokemon and megami tensei.

right. except that manjaw

Look again. That's not an early finisher.

FUCKIN GREAT

Best news I've seen in the whole thread.

It doesn't matter who you fight, other games just have better combat

I don't understand your point. There are people that like turn based games and new ones are constantly being made. DivinityOS, XCOM, Banner Saga, Shadowruns or DarkestDungeon are all fairly modern and don't feel like "relics"

If I wanted the original I'd play the original. In fact, I will play the original. Then I will play the remake. It's great.

Your only upset about it if you're a nostalgic retard who doesn't accept changed and expected a remake to be 1:1 like some dipshit

user... I'm 34

FFXV is arguably the best combat of any game ever.

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>Tai Yasue: For people who really want a challenge, you can decide to not carry over Keyblades, equip the “Zero EXP” ability, and play through Critical Mode without leveling up at all. This will test your concentration, willpower, and skill as a player, but we did balance the game so that you’re able to clear it - even with those options.

So circumvented that it's too difficult for you lmao. Git gud, casual.

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then you'll be able to play it when you're 49

>filters

>durr hurr 1 button combat
Okay, that's different from scrolling through a menu and pressing one button, how?

Based

coping casuals

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I don't actually care that it's not turn based. They can update the combat system as long as they keep the spirit of what made it good. So if the action combat means they are sacrificing having direct party control, and designing the encounters as such... Absolutely fucking awful. Feel disgusted at the idea that people would be put in charge of the VII remake who don't understand why that's important to capturing the spirit of the game. Also XV's combat system is trash and they only half improved it over a year of updates, so that doesn't inspire confidence either.

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>body literally teleports from a post attack stance into a parry position
And people say action RPGs are good.

...

Fancy aerial dodging for 13 seconds isn't indicative of a good game, Barry. Your game is shit, and so are you.
Again, artificial difficulty, brainlet. The game is still piss easy with endless i-frames and forms that just assrape and stunlock groups of enemies. It's a shit game, but at least you stand by your turd.

XV devs have nothing to do with this game, why is it living rent free in tour head?

Stop being retarded user, this isn't a Kefka situation where the characterization is completely different

Cloud has always been relatively the same across the board, some translation issues doesn't change that.

>Action RPGs are shi-

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lled endlessly on Yea Forums and are still bad games.

Based.

It doesn't matter why they buy it that isn't the point. the point is that it's not a dead gametype and there is 0 evidence to support that retarded idea, since it's said in every fucking FF thread.
Also I wasn't aware you talked to everyone who purchased those games, that's pretty cool that you just know turn based combat was not one of their reasons for buying it.

>Your game is shit
Confirmed for not playing it.

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>artificial difficulty

>Tai Yasue: For people who really want a challenge, you can decide to not carry over Keyblades, equip the “Zero EXP” ability, and play through Critical Mode without leveling up at all. This will test your concentration, willpower, and skill as a player, but we did balance the game so that you’re able to clear it - even with those options.
Seething casual shitter.

>The game is still piss easy
Must be why you can't beat it. Keep the cope coming.

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Yep, artificial difficulty. You know, the one that has enemies one-shot you and take forever to kill so you have to deploy cheap strategies to take them down. Mass Effect is also like this on higher difficulties, so those must be amazing games as well.

>another action rpg webm
>another enemy that doesn't even pose a threat

wanna explain how enemies being punching bags proves the combat in your game is good?

or is it the PRETTY COLOURS AND BLURRY SCREEN and PRESSING X TO AWESOME?

autist is clearly holding R1+O and still gets hit taking damage while having wait mode on and using one of the strongest base game regular weapons in the game Durandal with elemental advantage against one of the weakest grunt mob enemies in the entire game while having a full 5 member party

Also fuck off with your one button bullshit
>warp on triangle with warpstrike on R1+ triangle
>attack on O
>block/dodge roll/phase on Square, parry on Square+O, impervious tech roll on square to recover from hit in the few frames after being knocked down to cancel the knockdown
>directional inputs on L stick up/down/left/right while attacking with O for things like sidesteps, lunges, stingers, as well as pause taps for manual finishers
>weapon switching on up/down/left/right on Dpad which you can do mid combo
>jump on X plus aerial combat and directionals in air too
>more manual attack combos with armiger unleashed that require precise timing
etc

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The combat system changing is not a problem. The real problem is how many cut contents this shit will have.

Its literally impossible for it to be a faithful remake.

Show me you doing that and winning against Omega.

This game is fucking overrated

kino

the whole system and flow looks different

>coping this poorly
No one finds your hold X to Jason game entertaining or remotely good.

nah and that's not an argument

Cope.

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7r looks like Type0 with KH shortcut menu

that entire webm is pressing only one button

>more enemies that dont pose a threat

seems to me like the only one coping here is you

FF7 remake is going to be the definition of souless.

>teleporting into enemies and one shotting them
>OH MY GOD THIS GAME IS SO AMAZING
t. sub 80-iq barry-kun

>it only doesnt count when I say so!

2015 version's combat had the player fill up a meter with every attack, filling it led to a combo finisher, new version has completely done away with that.

Braver is a limit, not materia.

Git gud.

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>crying about getting oneshotted in a game where skill allows you to avoid all damage
>and the second kb transformation comes with Once More

And the casual baby outs himself.
>take forever to kill
Git gud. Magic, links and properly timed countershields shred bosses. youtube.com/watch?v=OGHo0cp7460

You being trash at KH3 does not dictate the mechanics of the game. Now cope harder, my pet.

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SE didn't make a single good game in the last 15 years, yet people are hyped for a demake.

The post release shitshow is gonna be gooood.

If it looks like a duck...

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DD's combat is ok.

this

user these games are called hold x to win because the game automatically heals you

show me the staff list that proves that.

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Left: Soulless
Right: Soul

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Good thing it is a good game then

>needs editing to make his game look good

honestly i'm looking forward to all the damage control from the zoomers who buy this game

yes you are coping at facts

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Nope, your reading comprehension is just kindergarten level. KH3 is piss easy, courtesy of its infinite i-frames and overpowered forms. There's no challenge no matter what you do, and even at level 1, the Keyblade Graveyard bosses are still beaten for you.

It's hilarious that you think there's any depth to the combat, or any skill requirement for that matter.

>Yea Forums suddenly hates turn based FF
What happened?

Of course these threads are doomed to be ruined by Bazztek. You will never ever get a good FF7R threads how does that make you feel?

Your zoomer driven recency biased poll means nothing, Barry.
You're confusing Yea Forums with one autist.

So when Cloud attacks the Sahagin there is no hitstun or knockback, same with the 3 other enemies he attacks

>suddenly

yet you are the one always posting this you hypocrite

Can someone take Barry out back and throw him into the Australian wilderness already

I literally cannot wait to see this shit in the realistic style.

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yes its good, nice cope

I really need to play more so I don't have like 5 screenshots

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based

>same person did ff7r edit too
cope
twitter.com/SunhiLegend/status/1126615366887723014?s=19

yes reraise

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it was always boring and tolerated

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FF7R is going to be shit too. So I don't know what you're trying to prove here.

>r-recency bias
then why isnt ff13 ranked higher than 6 or 8 or 10 or 9 or 7?

ATB is the worst kind of turn-based.

the absolute state of this dude

FF7 is my favorite game of all time and I'm perfectly ok with the remake being action combat as long as its good. I prefer turn based but this looks like kh combat which I'll gladly take since SE thinks turn based is dead.

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>thinks

That is the dumbest poll I've ever seen.

that you're coping

even if the remake doesn't live up to the hype, it's still guaranteed to be better than any main-series game since ffx just by virtue of being ff7.

Cope

RPGsite best FF poll with over 10k votes, XV in top 5
1: Final Fantasy VII
2: Final Fantasy IX
3: Final Fantasy VI
4: Final Fantasy X
5: Final Fantasy XV
6: Final Fantasy VIII
7: Final Fantasy XIV
8: Final Fantasy XII
9: Final Fantasy IV
10: Final Fantasy XIII
11: Final Fantasy V
12: Final Fantasy XI
13: Final Fantasy III
14: Final Fantasy II
15: Final Fantasy

rpgsite.net/feature/6530-here-s-the-final-fantasy-series-ranked-as-voted-by-thousands-of-you

Gameinformers top 300 games poll with XV in the top 5 FF games listed
270. Final Fantasy XIII (#12 ranked FF)
244. Final Fantasy III (#11 ranked FF)
235. Final Fantasy XII (#10 ranked FF)
164. Final Fantasy XIV (#9th ranked FF)
146. Final Fantasy IV (#8th ranked FF)
128. Final Fantasy XI (#7th ranked FF)
97. Final Fantasy VIII (#6th ranked FF)
51. Final Fantasy XV (#5th ranked FF)
49. Final Fantasy IX (#4th ranked FF)
33. Final Fantasy X (#3rd ranked FF)
13. Final Fantasy VI (#2nd ranked FF)
7. Final Fantasy VII (#1st ranked FF)
gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2018/03/19/readers-choice-top-300-games-of-all-time.aspx

Game informer top 5 best games in series, XV in top 5.
>Final Fantasy
>1. Final Fantasy X
>2. Final Fantasy VII
>3. Final Fantasy VI
>4. Final Fantasy VIII
>5. Final Fantasy XV

gameinformer.com/2019/04/14/game-informer-readers-favorite-games-of-popular-series

Shirrako FF poll with 21k+ votes had XV in 1st place and top 5

Famitsu best games of Heisei era, XV again in top 5 for the FFs listed
1. Chrono Trigger
2. The Legend of Zelda: BOTW
3. NieR: Automata
4. Final Fantasy VII
5. Okami
6. The Legend of Zelda: OoT
7. Final Fantasy X
8. Pokémon Red/Green/Blue/Yellow
9. Dragon Quest V
10. Xenogears
11. Vainglory
12. Suikoden II
13. Mother 2
14. Splatoon 2
15. Tactics Ogre
16. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G
17. Kingdom Hearts
17. (tie) Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
19. Final Fantasy XV
20. Final Fantasy XI
20. (tie) Pokémon Diamond/Pearl

>CC2
what

>Since IX
Fixed.

You don't even know what recency bias is, retard. It happened to FF13 when that came out, too. Lightning was topping every favorite character list, and the game was overrated as fuck for a few years.

barry hates it because it isn't "hold o to win" like xv was.

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Says the man who still defends a shit video game two years after its release.

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CyberConnect 2. Also known as the .hack and Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm developers, and they're currently working on Dragon Ball Project Z, some sort of action RPG. CC2 were originally co-developing FF7R, but a couple years ago Square-Enix let them off the project and took it entirely in-house afterwards.

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no, ix was still pretty good. pic related is the moment that main-series ff stopped being good and started being cringe shovelware.

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can you faggots go one thread without getting baited by XV-kun

>Barry is still defending FFXV even though it is undeniably shit

>hold o to win
But that's exactly what the ATB Final Fantasy games are.

It's exactly what I just said, by your logic only the most recent things in order of release would be listed because recency bias!

and no, a single poll from 2012 with 500 total votes is not her winning constantly

By that logic, FF7's original combat system is perfectly fine since a playthrough of a Low Level, Initial Equipment, Initial Limit, No Materia run is quite challenging.

>baited
Are you implying Barry isn't 100% autistically serious?

I was saying that it'll be the first good one since IX. Only zoomers defend X.

imagine still not understanding the laughing scene in 2019

>this autistic bullshit again
Oh fuck off KH cocksucking faggot

That isn't the combat at all because you have manual attacks with opener, mid, finisher, counter and aerial attacks, charge attacks, directional inputs, warpstrike, point warps and warp itself, manual weapon switching which each weapon type plays differently, plus character switch which adds even more variety because each member has their own unique combat to them.

Stop fucking posting outdated 2014 interview that was literally debunked a few days after it was posted.

You're such a retarded cunt that gets BTFO on a daily basis and you're a piece of absolute shit.

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Nope, FF13 and its characters had the exact same shit happen to it for years. FF15 is no exception and will slide down the rankings. Will you kill yourself when it does? It seems to be your everything, Barry.

Only the biggest studios have given up turn-based RPG style. It's easier to advertise to a wider audience with an action-oriented combat system. This is the same sort of ploy with graphical fidelity--it's all about making a good first impression to the average consumer.

Middle budget and indie titles have fortunately filled the gap, but I wonder how a triple-A turn-based RPG would look today.
>FFXIII
On reflection, the auto-play combat system was bad only because the braindead encounters let you get away with it. XIII-2 and Lightning Returns were much more engaging.

this kh zoomzoom always letting Barry live rent free

But it's KH kun shitposting in this thread with his samefag shitpost images against XV

good luck holding o to beat yiazmat. or ultimecia. or atomos.

That's a funny cope you have there

nothing, turn based is fine. I am just ALSO fine with it not being turn based. Its called not being a nostalgiafagging idiot, it's fairly simple

>but a couple years ago Square-Enix let them off the project and took it entirely in-house afterwards.
wtf how many years has this been in development

t. square
Every time they actually tried to go back to turn based combat it was a huge hit yet they still refuse to see it.

20

>>kingdom hearts combat
>>not completely shit

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>How do actual FF7 fans feel about the combat system change? Seems like a kick in the balls to wait 20 years for a remake only to have it be radically changed.

If it worked similar to FFXII I'd be fine with it. Allow me to run around and attack, maybe get out of an aoe of an enemy skill or block to reduce damage. When the gauge fills for a character allow me to open the menu and select an action while time freezes or slows down.

But I know it's not going to, it's going to be FFXV shit. Most of the game is going to feel like you're perpetually trapped in an Omnislash while you teleport around through enemies because if it's not 4000 mph with lots of flashy lights and noises it's not good enough for 2019.

No they didnt, not only are you lying but you're btfo by this

FFXV is the patrician's choice of FF.

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>That isn't the combat at all because you have manual attacks with opener, mid, finisher, counter and aerial attacks, charge attacks, directional inputs, warpstrike, point warps and warp itself, manual weapon switching which each weapon type plays differently, plus character switch which adds even more variety because each member has their own unique combat to them.
*trivializes all of those mechanics*

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yep. I was playing the game running from all battles and almost got to the end of CD1 without any problems.

Really, I run away from ALL battles that were possible.

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He also baits himself into XV autism.
Any discussion on FF battle system is doomed basically because there will always be people who hate XV combat and shit on it while Barry will never not be a raging idiot about XV.

>its j-just one guy!
Yeah, nah

>the KH nomura autist is still triggered that kh3 was a failure and lost to XV

no wonder he's trying so hard to validate KH by pretending 7r is using KH combat despite it clearly not

Based. How can turn based shit compete?

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If they were gonna completely throw out the gameplay of the original, they should've put in more effort to not make the ARPG gameplay completely flat. It doesn't seem to have any of the fun movement options or gameplay mechanics of faster hack-n-slash games, but the combat also doesn't have the sense of weight that makes slower ARPGs like Soulsborne games satisfying to play. It just looks like middle-of-the-road tripe made to satisfy the masses. I'm just not impressed, neither as a fan of turn-based games or action games.

Active development? I'd say 5-7

true and based

*blocks your path*

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>Soulsborne
You have to go back.

I really don't know why people focus so much on this scene, it was pretty well written and really wella cted by the voice actors, given the context and content of the scene.

yikes kh fag has to lie on the internet now? lmaoo

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>That's honestly based. I'd love for this not be be a KH style float fest.
Why would it have to be a like kh? You realize almost every action game in existence has a jump button?

>forcing your teammates to not participate

>
Yeah it does. That base system is fine. But Square has a habit of putting too much shine on it instead of adding actual control to the system.

FFXV relies too much on the warping and flurries of attacks. Attacks just happen. Same with KH3. You press the same button and Sora just goes nuts, and context sensitive button prompts allow for even more nonsensical moves to just occur.

If they focused more on simple attack patterns and the ability to switch to more unique moves based on what you had equipped, I think it would work way better.

now this is genuine cope

they weren't forced

>people keep saying this, but there's really no evidence of it.
What evidence do you need? FF7's combat system was already archaic when the game first came out.

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>best-selling game of 2019
>more critical acclaim than xv
>didn't lose $33 million
>ff7r and verum rex will btfo xv even more than kh3 already did
post yfw nomura won.

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>You realize almost every action game in existence has a jump button?
*blocks your path*

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says the coper

I'm sorry, "Action RPGs developed by From Software", does that trigger you less?

Nope, literally google it, or alternately don't be a 9 year old who started gaming recently. That list is as affected by recency bias as the poll, and FF15 isn't long for this world, just like you when you kill yourself when it slides down the rankings.

Based GHchad.

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i dont have to jump through mathematical hoops to justify my game scoring lower than another

>WRPG-kun and XV-kun in the same thread

Does Dark Sun still hold up today?

See how he waves his keyblade around like 20 times a second, like it weighs as much as an antenna? Thats the opposite of what I want to see in 7R. I want the Buster Sword to feel like it has weight, I want to see each one of Cloud's swings, and have controll of when to stop swinging, rather than this mash square and watch a flurry happen

>that webm
The attack that enemy is using is called 'Shotgun', but...what about it makes it a shotgun? The enemy can't run out of shotgun shells, nor does this attack have any of the properties of a shotgun, heck, it doesn't even take into account range. It functions exactly like a physical attack.

Contrast that with another turn-based RPG that was released in the same year as FF7, Fallout. In that game, shotguns actually function like you would expect. They use up ammo, have to be reloaded if they do run out of ammo, and they are most effective at close range and become very inaccurate at greater distances.

Besides distance, Fallout's combat also takes into account things like friendly fire and the level of illumination: fighting at night or in a cave makes you less accurate. And the combat actually takes place in the same area you explore in and utilizes your surroundings, whereas FF7 has invisible random encounters that basically teleport you to a separate dimension for the combat encounter.

Fallout has voice acting, whereas in FF7 characters don't even grunt when they take damage. It's dead silent. In Fallout armor changes your appearance, whereas it doesn't in FF7. In Fallout you bend down and loot the corpses of your enemies after combat, in FF7 they evaporate in thin air and you magically receive gold from them.

Having played both of these games for the first time only recently, I found Fallout immersive and engrossing in a way that FF7, despite its ostensibly higher production values, wasn't. And I only now realized why.

Modern jrpgs still seem to be designed in the way that FF7 is, being largely abstract, and I'm not sure this is such a good thing. FF7 remake will probably remain similarly abstract, which will be all the more jarring with those high-fidelity detailed graphics

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It's not about being triggered; it's about you outting yourself as a redditor by using reddit jargon. Now, go back.

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I hope that command materia like morph and steal will return
Same with all of the master materia but that is stretching it

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friendly reminder that ff7 will always be more acclaimed, successful and beloved than your literal-who western shit. you will NEVER stop seething and coping about this.

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I hate how the screen shakes every time a character attacks. Screams of "we wanted to attract the maximum number of people.".

Fucking based.

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See pic. That's because of osaka team.

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>KH3
>Git gud
A nongamer who's never touched a KH game can pick it up and win the thing.

What I'm watching is the equivalent of any early Sonic game. Made to look visually interesting but little to nothing is actually happening. Its mad to appeal to low focused children. Flashy animations, quick paced movements, loads of sparkles. Its a game for ADD

>and they are most effective at close range and become very inaccurate at greater distances.
>shotguns
retard

>See how he waves his keyblade around like 20 times a second, like it weighs as much as an antenna? Thats the opposite of what I want to see in 7R. I want the Buster Sword to feel like it has weight
Then you're playing the wrong game. The Buster Sword will never be believable, what with Cloud having the figure of a Japanese teenage girl. This was an issue with the original game as well, but the graphics were cartoony enough that this was obfuscated.

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im not surprised that these sort of things exist for WRPGfags and not JRPGchads i mean

JRPGchads have games to play in their genre, you've got lots of free time since your genre is more or less dead

>ff7 will always be more acclaimed
Cope harer, incel.

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once it comes to PC mods can fix it.
if it ends up beeing crisis core or ff15 its legit trash

>Imagine thinking the new combat system is anything more than streamlining the game for plebs

>b-b-but gaems weren't better in the past it's nostalgia

Damn you are retards, enjoy your Skyrim and Fallout and all the shovelware sequels they generate you gullible retards. Get some standards! no wonder you're buying half baked products like 76 and anthem.

kh3 is not the best selling game of 2019 it only had highest launch dollar sales for games in 2019 which means fuckall and is literally not units sold

XV is higher rated objectively
KH3 launch PS4 83 MC
KH3 launch XB1 80 MC
KH3 average 81

XV launch XB1 83 MC
XV launch PS4 81 MC
XV PC 85 MC
XV royal PS4 77 MC
XV royal XB1 84 MC
XV average 82 MC

KH3 launch PS4 userscore 79
KH3 launch XB1 userscore 70
KH3 average userscore 74

XV launch XB1 userscore 77
XV launch PS4 userscore 76
XV PC userscore 80
XV PS4 userscore 86
XV XB1 userscore 95
XV average userscore 82

OH NO NO NO KH3 BTFO

XV didnt lose any money and instead broke even on day 1 and profited ever since, selling over 8.4m
also the XV mobile game made over $30m in November 2018 and over $350m in 2018 alone which made back any lumin production losses instantly and then some multiple times over pure profit revenue

kh3 is still sub 5m sold

verum cux isnt a game its just gay kh shit, meanwhile 7r has nothing to do with kh and Hamaguchi is making it for nomura which is why itd be good. kh3 is already proven shit everyone forgot about

damn nomura lost, got cucked again by his co-director.

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user

FF7 has more ratings and reviews than Fallout 2 in that picture.

HOLY FUCKING BASED

another post of genuine cope

keep em coming

And a lower score, lower rating trend, and lower overall ranking.

So you're full of shit after getting BTFO, typical kh sperg

How much control is even being had here? Wasnt it R1+triangle to zoom around like that.

So you zoom zoom zoom and then press □ a few times and bam, enemy is dead. Really stellar gameplay my withered asshole

What is even going on in this thread anymore?

yeah KH3 objectively scored lower and sold less and has lower userscores than XV

damn man, kh3 has a 4/10 review, OUCH!

Where the fuck is my webm of that masterpiece Cross Slash?

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OH NO NO NO

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>even has a mustplay over fallout 2

damn son

Typical square games shitposting

if you want to feel like a mosquito

How does this webm prove anything apart from you not even needing to see your own character to BTFO a huge enemy. The game literally plays itself.

t

Barry's mad FFXV sucks ass.

>The game literally plays itself.
You're confusing XV with XII.

yeah from you

>manjaw

unironically have sex. see what real woman's anatomy is like

kh sperg coping and shitposting again

OH NO NO NO

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tl;dr

combat looks good. Needs air combos and it would be perfect

Gambit setup required much higher amount of brain cells than anything in 15.

sorry user, these will be cut as they're not realistic enough and break immersion :^)

based

>Barry
>KHfag
>WRPGfag

This thread is a regular petri dish of autism

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keep saying it

>no hit stun
that's incredibly worrying

zoomer infestation

At least WRPG-kun talks about gameplay mechanics.

kh3 is a 1/5

hit stun isn't realistic :^)

yeah even xv has more hitstun

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isn't that the same fat loser who loves god of onions? lol

My biggest concern is Square making every dialogue interaction a complete cringe fest. As evident by recent FFs as well as KH3

The original game was super cinematic with loads of talking. I would hate to see Sephiroth spouting off at Cloud having darkness in his heart while Cloud just winces and makes weak little noises. I also worry they will forget what the characters were really like.

Yes it is. Ever watched MMA?

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then why did the 2015 trailer have it but not the 2019 trailer?

to repackage Crisis Core & Dirge of Cerberus as part of the big picture, and finally complete the Genesis storyline.

If you wanna call "this game is shit because the gameplay isn't like this game" talking about gameplay

Based Conan.

and then reveals he was payed to say all that because it was a scripted bit SE payed him to roast the game which is the point of clueless gamer, and is scripted like everything on his show

Am I tweaking or do the in-game graphics look worse than XV? The cutscenes are obviously a different story.

they realised it wasn't realistic enough and edited it out, dumpass

wrestling is fake so this proves nothing

more genuine cope

>only a 92
Sad.

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At this point, I know Square will fumble, hard. But being able to see Cloud and Co. doing those really great memorable moments in glorious HD realistic graphics will be really neat to see. I'll always have the original, but I cant wait to parachute into Midgar or motorcycle out.

yeah there is a gulf of difference between 7r cutscene and gameplay visual

>The original game was super cinematic with loads of talking.
lolwut. It didn't even have voice acting, which always was bizarre.

you sound like a fucking retarded faggot. "oh no darkness talk is too much for me waaaa i'm too cool for it" grow the fuck up

copega

KH3 had the same issue. There was a big disparity between cutscene and gameplay visual quality. Anyone know the technical reason for this?

>SE didn't make a single good game in the last 15 years,
The World Ends With You

>cant wait to parachute into Midgar or motorcycle out
those scenes are problematic in a post-trump world so they will be removed from the story. please understand

I think it works well sometimes such as Persona 5. But its a dated system that has been phased out time and time again. And while I can enjoy it, the masses probably would have a hard time getting into a AAA turn based game

Unreal Engine trash vs Luminous perfection

yes because theres not a single possibility that a MMO, the most timesink game genre there is, that is also AAA, be an "epic waste of time"?
come on user

you are dumb

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You're only proving his point.

I cant wait to see the Jenova monsters and Bizarro Sephiroth.

also that Triceratops Tank guy

Well, it's certainly a game, I'll give you that.

Shame about the 'good' part.

I can't imagine how anyone can think TWEWY is good unless they're 8 years old. The story is such juvenile anime garbage, with a misanthropic edgy teen learning the power of friendship in the most cringeworthy way possible. And the gameplay is the usual 'style over substance' empty spectacle Nomura games suffer from.

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Why not just make it turn based?
Hell, why did SE throw away perfectly fine battle system from FF10 and never used it again?

>another action rpg webm where the enemy doesn't pose a threat

Literal retard

Mah nigga

>h-he was supposed to say it was shit! they paid him to shit all over their game, honest!
this is a new level of cope.

>Rock, paper, scissors
>Perfectly fine

You literally sound like you're 12.

When is cope going to be added to the list of filtered words?

>game from the paid reviews era gets an inflated score compared to games from the honest reviews era
i'm shocked.

git gud.

when you

have sex

Pretty sad desu but I'm looking forward to exploring the world since they've remodeled and redesigned everything completely.

I find turn based games really relaxing but every FF was literally spamming attack and then when a boss had a weakness use a spell so I can understand why they changed it. Just hope it's not a reskinned FFXV.

I guarantee a lot of silly stuff like the Swinging Axe Blade men, Hellriders Russian Nesting Dolls and the Mini Status effect won't return though.

I think your missing my point. I understand Cloud swinging a giant piece of metal will always look unbelievable. I just want him to look like a skilled swordsman with it. Have ACTUAL attack swings, not KH spaz movements so fast it hides that it looks retarded. I dont want to have a seizure watching him swing a sword.

Assuming the world is not one big hallway. I help hoping, but I'm still skeptic af

seeth

>action rpg
>world exploration

lmao

Genesis will return.

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>game from the paid reviews era gets an inflated score compared to games from the honest reviews era
FF7 and BG2 released in the same era, you retard.

But I'll indulge you, how about I post an RPG that came out mere months before ff7

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Cope.

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fag is on the street blowing people for drug money

I still dont understand how you think any skill is involved in the combat when you cant even see your character. How do you know when to dodge or what your even striking apart from hold Lock-On button and Press ○

Based.

>no actual counter-argument or rebuttal
You must be the one of the 8-year old TWEWY fans I was just talking about.

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Cloud was never an skilled swordsman.

basically 7r and kh3 are fully baked games so while all the cutscenes are fine tuned to be exactly what the dev wants it to look like for everyone, the gameplay envs and visuals aren't to the same level since most focus goes to cutscenes

while xv is using a dynamic real tine lighting that changes time of day, weather and atmosphere level depending where you are, and cutscenes are real time using that dynamic environment so there is a consistency between the cutscene visual and game visual, so for example if noct gets dirty and its raining he'll be wet and dirty in the cutscene which also affects outfits too, so it lets the devs use the game tech itself to have different conditions for different players

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>FF7 and BG2 released in the same era
when bg2 came out, the dreamcast was already out, the ps2 was already out in japan and it was coming to north america in a month. that's not the same era as ff7, you absolute brainlet.

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are you dumb?

Based.

>magitek assassins
>no threat
you are dumb

>flatlet tranny Aeris
>good
no thank you

>squared jaws
>manjaws
>manjaws cant look good

Imagine being so delusional to think this argument has any weight to it

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Long-term fan here. I don’t care? I’ve played the old game for probably 400-500 hours. It still exists. I’m perfectly fine with changing the combat system.

cope

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You have no argument. All you did was describe it as trash with no actual knowledge of the game and fluffed it up with retarded insults like a big baby. And the overused "style over substance". Most people think it's good so there is no reason to defend it.

Its more like getting to see things in a new light, I guess.

Recently in games I've pretty much skipped unnecessary exploring to just get the game completed so it will be nice for once to examine everything and compare it the original game.

maybe they're a threat if your thumb slips off of the circle button

Aeris is tranny repellent.

I had a dream last night that I had to crossdress in a purple dress like cloud. I'm a short, hairy, fat man, but that dress looked damn sexy on me.

Manjaw might look good on real woman but not on some animu chick, it's repulsive

>the amount of XV shilling in this thread
Well when everything in the game is a one hit kill, of course its going to have a stun.

>still episodic
destructoid.com/yes-the-final-fantasy-vii-remake-is-still-episodic-553156.phtml

Square just can't keep themselves from fucking it up.

imagine typing all that shit out when you can clearly see its just ffxv again
ffxv was shit and so is this

There's nothing wrong with it being episodic.

>manly chin
>flat as a brick
>tranny repellent
Sure thing, tranny.

they break you instantly you retard, only way to counter them is with warpstrikes, parries or block stunning them first then attacking

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so you just spam the same attack over and over till it dies

you sound dumb

>flat as a brick
That's a good thing, though. Girls with cow tits are disgusting.

user, you're one big pervert.

Its still a cinematic game without voice acting you dimpled dicked moron. Look up the word cinematic, it says nothing about voice acting.

>even the game over screen is a film reel
I cant even imagine the amount of stupid shit you do and say per day to somehow function enough to stay alive

FFXV would have beeen better being episodic.

but they aren't

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color correction and bloom/fog are a cancer plaguing every current gen game,instead of color correction you should use colored lights,instead of bloom you could use more colored lights,just my 2 cents

xv was good so 7r will be good if its like xv

you realize the player in that webm sacrificed nearly their entire health pool to kill that one single mob right?
Not surprised nu-Yea Forums wouldn't recognize a health bar in a jrpg rapidly depleting given the fact none of you actually have played any of these games.

You sound thirteen. You should go back to school. I bet you enjoyed KH3s clusterfuck of a story.

just like any game?

Imagine each part ended with a summon fight.. .but you know actually challenging.

I think if it has 15's combat it'll be shit, it should really just be kingdom hearts with less jumping I think. I don't care personally about the gameplay change because this is entirely seperate from the regular game in my mind, if it's shit I'll just go back to the old one like I always have.

too bad the shadows in the game are fucking retarded
Only on high/highest do you get hair that casts shadows on characters' faces/bodies properly and get proper shadows cast across characters' faces.

I'm excited for any of the changes. If I wanted to play exactly the old FFVII I'd just play the old FFVII. I've never been the one to get hung up on graphics.

The reason I'm looking forward to the remake is to see what's changed and how the game has been reimagined. May be shitty, may be fun. Either way, I'm not terrified of change and look forward to what the remake might offer.

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>another action rpg webm where the enemy doesn't pose a threat

Let me guess, you also like your girls with giant futa cocks don't you. You don't even need to answer.

Like every fucking game?

my tastes don't align with yours

Japan dont give a fuck

No, that's also disgusting.

FFXV WAS episodic.

>I bet you enjoyed this irrelevant great game!
If I'm 13, then I would already be in school. So how could I "go back" to it? Like I said, you're fucking retarded and you should be hung.

it's okay when the west does it.

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Dude wut? People legit believe he is in SOLDIER. He fucks up Sephiroth multiple times.

One joke battle out of the whole game. That fight is just to introduce you to the hot new shinra CEO

Part 1 is until leviathan, and for the endgame you keep the time travel shit to go back and keep exploring if you didn't already.

Part 2 is until the end of garlea, so the whole second contitnent.

Part 3 is both continents in the world of ruin, doing quests as the king to bring back the light and hope to the remaining people alive.

thats hot

>its good because it was changed

good goyim

>coerl does 1hko attack on you
>die
what did he mean by this?

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Cloud manages to wreck Sephiroth multiple times and when the first Omnislash stops working he invents an even stronger version.

How many of these will we fight?

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Based and educatedpilled

He never as a good swordsman, he fucks up Sephiroth in the mako reactor by sheer willpower, he was a low ranked dude without even Mako infusion, he was in teh SHinra Army, not in SOILDIER... have you even played the game?

>games needs one hit KO's for enemies to pose a threat

and this is good game design to you huh

>my waifu doesnt look as hot if she looks more real

I don't remember that ghost ship thing. Where do you fight that?

What?

I really really hope we get them all, and some new.

Fallout 2 > FFXV

I hope in 2020 people understand that "jumping" isn't what makes KH floaty, it's all the recovery frames on every single aerial

no it wasn't
chapter 1 through 14 was the whole base game

ep gladio is parallel sidestory during ch7 from gladio's pov
ep ignis a parallel sidestory during ch9 from ignis's pov
ep prompto a parallel sidestory during ch12 from Prompto's pov

In The tunnel leading to the underwater reactor. You also see them in the battle arena.

On the way to the underwater reactor.

No shit.

So like every RPG?

>jp.square-enix.com/topics/detail/801/
>CHARACTER DESIGN: TETSUYA NOMURA/ROBERTO FERRARI

>ROBERTO FERRARI

This is a good thing.

Pokemon has it
Every other FF has it
DQ has it
SMT has it
Persona has it
KH has it
etc

>When you're overleveled enemies get easier
DAMN how the FUCK can turn based combat recover?

Wasn't meaning to quote.

No, but shit like fallout is probably better than dogshit like KH

I saw a Tweet that basically sums up my feelings on this.

It's like a Hollywood remake of a beloved animated Japanese movie. Even if they completely fuck everything up I might still get some good rearranged music and a bit of spectacle out of it while still being able to go back and enjoy the original.

If you're excited for this remake you're a faggot zoomer that never played the original and/or a fucking retard that expects Square Enix to magically shit out a good FF game when they've made nothing but shit for nearly 2 decades.

>KH has it
What is second chance and once more?

that isn't overleveled that's just as soon as you get there

>no Nanaki in a sailor outfit
Proofs?

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you have to morph that faggot to get an item for the dude at Kalm Town

Pros
>gives time to developers to make fully realized segments of a massive game and world
>allows for maximum detail and production value
>once small segments(midgar) can be expanded upon

Cons
>cash grab of offering a portion of the game for $60 each time
>not being able to accurately grind and transfer you skills and abilities you unlocked or having certain caps to levels or limits
>not having one conjoined world to fully explore at once
>leaving out overworld because it wouldnt work with episoic nature

I'm not for or against it yet, I'm really interested to see what they do. I really hope they dont cut out flying the Highwind

You're both wrong

Being able to jump has nothing to do with KH's floatyness. It's all about the recovery between when you finish an attack to when you gain full control over your character.

Lmao. Your taste is fucking dogshit trash.

>Excluding Dark Nation, the first half of this boss fight
>Not using an Magic when it's clearly equipped (The "Magic" in the Command menu"
This webm of half a single boss fight sure showed them!

the dump i took this morning is better than ffxv. what's your point?

These exaggerated weeb fights look stupid as hell with realistic/uncanny valley character designs. They should have stuck with the animu look.

If they deliver a fully explorable midgar, on both the lower and top levels and a way to pace the progress whatever you want I'd be all for it, but I know it won't be like that.

I'm sure you dropped out. I said you sound like you are 13, not you are. You would've figured that out if you had some basic reading comprehension. But you don't, so you should go back to school. Thanks for proving my point that you're an idiot

>gameplay and cinematics contradict each other
how autistic do you have to be to not understand what cutscenes are.

then again, it’s not like you’re missing out much by not being able to revisit places like Icicle Inn, Mideel and Corel Prison, which become completely useless after you’re done with the story

Looking at your webms in the archive is like a bottomless pit of autism.

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>Calls someone a retard
>Sage in all the fields
fuck off newfag

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My favorite series got remakes: resident evil, metal gear and now final fantasy, so, I'm ok with it.

>fully explorable midgar

lmao

so much of this game is going to be gutted it might as well not even use the same name

Honestly Tifa. I don't see how anyone could possible choose the other girls over her. Aeris and Yuffie are both A's, but Tifa is an SSS+

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XII is straight up traditional ATB except turns can happen simultaneously instead of queuing

XII also has one of the best battle systems in a jrpg

You took a while to figure out you had another opportunity to call me an idiot but you can't figure out that your posts are a waste of time and all you're doing is shitflinging like a child. I knew from the start you were mentally deficit.

>twin snakes

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And a rare case where the childhood friend wins.

>user points out that the FFXV webm cherrypicks
"haha, fuck off XV-kun! Nobody cares!"
>anyone cherrypicks any ff game because all of them are like this. FFXII you dont even press ANY button
"Stop cherrypicking and make a real argument!"

huh? why even say that when the teaser from yesterday says otherwise? or do you just want to ruffle a few feathers with some shitposting.

>Phoneposter

>>No casino owner wearing only a speedo
>>No gay sex sauna
These will still happen, male power fantasies after all.

As a recent fan (30y.o. boomer who never had an interest in the series but finally played FF7 last year) I don't really care. The original game IS the ultimate FF7. I feel like people who hinge their hopes on dreams on remakes are the kind of people who will never be satisfied and are just trying to relive their childhood without having to look at "ugly" polygon graphics, instead of actually wanting to play the game again.

The original holds up fine, and if I wanted to play it again, I would. This "remake" seems more like a "reimagining", or even just a supplementation of the original. Given all the changes to the gameplay and battle system, it's demonstrably not the same game, and if story similarity is enough to call something a remake, then there are litereral dozens of FF7 remakes out there already. It's a pretty common plot in JRPGs and anime, once you reduce it to the core elements.

>missed the part where he had to stop and heal

>The original holds up fine
Nigga, it was dated when it released.

I love Action/Action RPG games like Kingdom Hearts, DMC, Ninja Gaiden Black and the like so I'm excited about it. If I wanted to play a turn-based game I'd go play the original and if I wanted a remaster I'll go use the PC version mods. FFVII is my favorite game ever and it becoming one of my favorite genres is a match made in heaven.

says the kh fag deflecting

>3 bosses
>out of 1000s of enemies
sure bud so out of the 100 hours playing im glad i dont get to hold O for 3 minutes of it.

>Given all the changes to the gameplay and battle system, it's demonstrably not the same game
That's why it's called a remake you fucking dummy.

Go play your Western garbage.

my dump was better than all Nomura games and better than everything and only not better than ffxv

You say that until its literally a different game except with the same name.

>Nomura has never made a good gam-

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I think these are a good representation of the situation (keep in mind the timestamps might not work if you embed).
youtube.com/watch?v=a-P6eJ1QTlI&t=4m27s
youtube.com/watch?v=ws4BdU5wFY0&t=3m26s
youtube.com/watch?v=13P3ABXLCM0#t=4m45s
twitter.com/graham_lrr/status/673218037152018432

Then dont' do super-realism? Also, FFX's combat is just fine without being an action game. Even the HD version. Where's this cutoff.

What if we wanted an update that improved upon what was there (like the amazing Resident Evil Gamecube remake), instead of throwing it all out and making it an entirely new genre. What if they'd given Resident Evil DMC's gameplay when they remade it?
I'm sure you'll agree that there are improvements that could be made on the turnbased/ATB system.

I keep hearing people claim that action gameplay was alway the ideal design for FF, they just couldn't do it with limitations before, but action games are a lot older than FF7 is. It isn't like every video game in the world was turn based before the PS2 was released.

You're one to fucking talk you autist.

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Wrong. Story, characters, enemies, are all what people want to see. Whats added, whats taken away. Its a remake until we see what has been updated. Gameplay can be adjusted to modern times and see be the same game. If the story and everything else is changed its not a remake its just a reimagining.

that cope

says the fag defending kh literally the most westaboo game series in existence

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btw kanemori made everything people like about kh2

>+400 posts
>124 IPs
>Figure people must be firing off their opinions and speculations about how the battle system will affect the encounters, regular and extra bosses, overall balance, replay, etc
>It's another KH and XV pissing contest

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>the most westaboo game series in existence

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>im a fan of FF7
>no i dont like turn based RPGs

Go back to playing your Western trash dummy.

>there are people who actually thinks FFVII holds up today
Maybe if it used 2D sprites instead of those ugly polygons, it would have held up today.

I mean, just look at Chrono Trigger and A Link to the Past, they still look fucking great today. Just shows how 2D pixel art is timeless.

And what exactly was your argument against me? Oh right!

>fucking retarded faggot. "oh no darkness talk is too much for me waaaa i'm too cool for it" grow the fuck up

Intellectual as hell right there. Good debatable points. Yeah there you go again proving you own mental instability

A lot of games are dated. That doesn't necessarily make them bad. It just makes them what they are. I don't know what this obsession is with making everything feel "current".

>That's why it's called a remake you fucking dummy.
Most remakes in existence conform with the original gameplay style of the game their based on, dummy.

>Wrong. Story, characters, enemies, are all what people want to see.
Where did I say that it wasn't? I'm not saying it's what people want, but I'm saying those people are wrong for being insufferable retards who just want to try and relive the nostalgia of their childhood instead of moving the fuck on and playing something else.

>a game can't be good if it has bad graphics

you are a pleb ass mother fucker

The two things aren't mutually exclusive. There are turn based RPGs from the 90s that are still unmatched to this day in terms of depth, Final Fantasy is not one of those games.

That's because he tells people he was in SOLDIER and he has mako eyes and strength. It makes sense that in the actual game he's a scrub because he in reality is

so if you didnt like the game why would you be interested in a remake of a game you didnt like

>It's not characters, writing, presentation, pacing, gameplay, sound, that make you hold up
>It's the graphics

>characters, writing
Read a book.

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REEEE GIVE BACK ATB or just can the game since it wont be Final Fantasy it will just be genericc arpg 1000#

So we can all agree you're both autistic embarrassments who should commit suicide yes?

you mean like a toad with a trident?

WHERE'S MY BIG TITTY TIFA!

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the problem is, real time combat with multiple characters is never good
too bad the mainline FFs are stuck with it because there's no way they'll ever drop multiple party members

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All this flashy shit looks great and all, but it's not actually satisfying to play if it's all done by mashing 1 button, which is the entire reason KH3 combat is absolute shit, it's simply not rewarding.

Yup. You need to grow the fuck up and take a good hard look at the types of games you're playing, because "cringy" dialogue doesn't describe anything but your failure to come up with any cogent arguments. Western garbage seems more suited to your liking.

Frogposter sir, reading The Very Hungry Caterpillar won't increase your IQ.

HAVE SEX

Based
Cringe

>had to stop to use a tent
heh cope FFXVfag

You would be destroyed on a level 1 playthrough, or even Critical mode. It is rewarding and takes a tactful and quick mind to get past any mobs. Your taste is utter garbage and "mashing" a button only proves your idiocy even more when it comes to games like this.

what are those blue bars under their names?

>equip zeroEXP ability
>the game is still shit because you're stuck with 1 button and zero combos in an "action game"

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using ff7 as an argument against 3d graphics is like using atari 2600 games as an argument against 2d sprites. of course it doesn't look good by modern standards, but it's the type of game that had to made so that later games could have 3d graphics that actually look good.

>no actual arguments whatsoever
>shitting on TWEWY’s gameplay and narrative
Nomura didn’t even direct or write the game, you retard, but of course you wouldn’t actually know that. TWEWY’s gameplay has a ton of depth to it too, with the amount of different pins and equipment options combined with the risk vs reward options and ways to manipulate the difficulty curve.

I played through the entirety of FFXV using nothing but warp strike.

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So you agree the game only has 1 button and zero combos then yes? You've yet to prove anyone wrong on this fact.

Even if enemies one shot you with fart attacks, having 1 button and zero combos does not make a good action game. FACT.

Breadth and depth are not the same thing. TWEWY has about as much depth as FFXV.

I haven't played the original FF7, should I play that first or just this one? I'm not a huge fan of turn-based but the graphics look charming and it's the original.

limit gauge?

>one button
>when base form sora uses circle and x
>when there is a shit ton of unique forms with different ways to initiate attacks based on your movement and distance from the enemy
>not speeding your way through enemies using air step and switching your forms based on situations
>not even using magic for status effects
>not quickly turning the camera to watch every enemy and only sticking to one enemy instead of stunning one and prioritizing others

Lol you did not even touch level 1. You would be fucking destroyed with your peanut brain exploding.

Zero combos? It isn't a "combo" based game like DMC. DMC is an action game. But, you can mix and match attacks, even switching keyblades at the right time to create different "combos". It's an action RPG nigga. Your priority is choosing the best moves while still being flashy because you can.

It'll be a strange experience without the nostalgia, because the translation is tesrrible, but not that bad that you cannot get invested in the world and the characters.

>actually implying XV even comes close to TWEWY in depth
Never mind, you’re just a retard.

Except that you can't actually win that battle by doing it. What that webm doesn't show is that the battle starts with you against Rufus AND his doggo monster, and the doggo immediately casts Barrier and M-Barrier on him and also attacks you for decent damage. If you just try to attack over and over normally, you'll get murdered by Rufus and the doggo while your attacks do jack shit to him due to being cut in half by the Barrier spell. The person making the webm clearly killed the doggo first, AND waited for Barrier to fall off, before starting to record. So that webm is some goddamn bait that a lot of newfags are falling for lately.

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>you’re just a retard.
I'm not the one defending TWEWY, user. If you're looking for depth, you need to go play DMCV.

>thief, red mage, monk, knight
>oh no how could all my damage come from basic attacks

>implying I can't like both
>implying TWEWY and DMCV aren't both great games
>implying

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DMCV is a good game, yes.
TWEWY is FFXV-tier.

Seriously though, if it is action combat how do I control all the characters, how did it work in FFXV?
Its not like wrpgs were you can pause and switch character right? Im actually a bit worried that I'm gonna be forced to only control Cloud and the rest will be AI