Unironically the jrpg of the decade

that's incorrect OP, it isn't even Bravely Second. Pic related is the JRPG of the decade

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The difference is that knd was just a kids show and didn't take itself nearly as seriously as We live in a society: the game does

i don't know if it's the best JRPG of the decade, but at least it's good unlike certain shit full of Nintendo Bonus

>>Dragon Quest XI
>Ao no Kiseki
>all three Xenoblades
>Etrian Odyssey IV
>Utawarerumono: Mask of Truth
>Soulsborne games
>Rance X
>Radiant Historia
>Shin Megami Tensei IV

Play more JRPGs, OP

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That's not Xenoblade 2

As much as I liked 2, Xenoblade X was the better game

>ADULTS BAD
Except for the many adults that are good in that game. It’s not
>ADULTS BAD
It’s
>MUH IGNORANT MASSES

It really isn't. P5 isn't even as good as 4.

It was good, but Automara wins by a landslide.
What is your obsession with Nintendo?

>liking the game where all the characters treat the MC like a god and they’re all useless besides yosuke and naoto

The Persona series is inherently flawed such that it objectively can NOT be a great jRPG experience.

*Blocks your path*

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otonatachi

Based and KOWASHITAIpilled

Automata's not a jRPG. It's not even an RPG.

did they ever add these cuties as units?

>MUH IGNORANT MASSES
Yet that doesn't become a theme at all.

I enjoyed 4 way more too.
Im pretty sick of tokyo
4 is top comf

this isn't even a good SMTxFE crossover let alone a good game

>liking the game where all the characters treat the MC like a god and they’re all useless
And just like that you get p5

lol

*blocks the rest of the JRPG industry's paths*

youtube.com/watch?v=1CUNNyNK-4w
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youtube.com/watch?v=EBn3wjEaRyc

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Let me guess, you think its a persona clone.

sure do love my "friends" telling me the plot points over our group texts after I just experienced the fucking plot points they're talking about that very day

Holy shit that was the worst
Game really needed an option to skip all the phone conversations

>mentions all Xenoblades and all Soulsborne
>only EOIV, only SMTIV
I hope you're not implying what I think you're implying

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This game wastes your time like its no business.
20 hours in and its still in the tutorial areas.
I remember when people went apeshit at FFXIII for doing similar.

The real worst part was that it was basically an alt verse p4. Complete with worlds merging.

boy, you don't even start playing persona after 9 hours

>I remember when people went apeshit at FFXIII for doing similar
Except the problem stuff 13 was that it was extremely linear and barely allowed any player freedom. About an hour in Xenoblade opens up and you have a fuck ton of non tutorial content.

Don't talk about things you clearly didn't experience

Sadly no, either Nintendo wants to forget it exists, or they copyright complications with Avex (which I doubt because Tsubasa has a spirit in Ultimate)

>Let me guess, you think its a persona clone.

No. It doesn't look like a proper SMT of FE game

>Don't talk about things you clearly didn't experience
Oh I experienced and it was bullshit. The game has its positives but takes for fucking ever to do anything without a guide.

>using guides

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Not much of an achievement since there were no other good JRPGs this decade. P4 Golden doesn't count as the original was released in 2008

Yaldabaoth theme was great.

Based OP. Contrarians here BTFO

Cringe. Stay mad SE faggot.

It seems that you didn't understand the game, user.

where

>no argument

>but takes for fucking ever to do anything without a guide.
I was talking about 13 you moron. Also if you used a guide for Xenoblade you might just be retarded.

>Performa X FE shoved into the background
You’d think Atlus would know SMT fans and Purse owner faggots aren’t the same people

>plays 1 jrpg from this decade
>YOOO THIS IS PROBABLY THE JRPG OF THE DECADE

It is a straight up persona copy
It’s literally P4 with performers

It's up there. I'd say either Persona 5 or pic related are the best JRPGs of the current gen.

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>PERSONA 5 BAD
>XENOBLADE 2 GOOD

>useless party
>everyone treats you like God including the deity figures
Hell in p4 you weren't even some kind of chosen one. You were one of three randomly selected people but in p5 you were locked up because you were the decider.

But I hate SE.
DQ is Armor project/Yujii Horii baby

They are.

Personafags are the Evaniggers of jRPG fans.

DQ is SE, get over it fag

>no dating sim
>no social links
>actual battle mechanics derived from an smt game in instead of target weakness to win
>doesn't waste your time with 80 hours of cutscenes
>shut actually affects the real world outside of the final boss
Yeah sure.

That's a funny way to say Persona 4.

if you say so
youtube.com/watch?v=RZTsSndhP1s

>Expecting a demon summoning alignment crossing tactical jrpg with a weapon triangle with plenty of Strategy
>Get Moeshit Persona 4: Performa
Fuck off

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>Xenoblade
>Considered a Video Game

Try harder. They were dumpster fires and you should feel bad for suggesting them.

you could have just said ironic weebs

based

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Persona 4 came out in 2008, not that you would remember, being 7 at the time

>Full of gay high school shit
>Everyone talks entirely too much only to say “Wowie we have Powies!”
>Had great systems like press turn and Smirk then threw them out the window
>Good point
>No alignment choices to be Law, neutral nor Chaos

>most casual RPG ever

No OP, just no.
It's good but nothing more.

It's a jrpg in every way, shape and form. The developers said it, it has levels and everything else. If it's not a jrpg then neither is the tales series or infinite undiscovery.

Xenoblade X, Shin Megami Tensei IVA, SMTxFE were better.

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This. I can't play other jRPGs after those because of the shitty corridor simulator level design jrpgs go for. Xenoblades spoiled me.

It's so so sad how FF has fallen so far in the 2010s. It didn't have to end this way my niggas.

>>Ao no Kiseki

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Can I emulate it? And if I can, should I? Awakening is my guilty pleasure.

The quality of Final Fantasy dropped off around the same time the guy behind Xenogears, who also helped worked on previous Final Fantasies, stole a bunch of people from Square and formed Monolith Soft
Really makes you think

Actually there are too many groups that have a hate boner for Persona 5, each one for different reasons, so they constantly falseflagging about it on Yea Forums.

Not really, they are only code monkeys or the last 2 games

Based and Monolithpilled

This is objectively true.

Not just him, a ton of FF talent left. The dudes behind Granblue are some of those people. Cygames and MonolithSoft are the studios to watch out for.

>should I?
Yes

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>mobage overlord
fuck off

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>Full of gay high school shit
The game doesn't even take place in a high school unlike Persona.

It happens all the time
A lot of 90s Final Fantasy's talent and developers were originally stolen from Falcom, just like how Monolith formed in the 00s by taking a lot of the talent from 90s Final Fantasy.

He clearly never played it.

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>Persona 5
>Rpg of the anything
Nope, that's DQ11

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Relink is a full console JRPG

>WTF Y DIDN'T THEY PUT MEDIEVAL FANTASY CHARACTERS IN MY SCI FI GAME?

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because of this trailer I expected an actual crossover:
youtube.com/watch?v=OK5-EIzDtKo

I didn't even get that

don't need one to see you're a fucking underage b& retard

The devs literally said they couldn't get it to work

Nah ironic weebs are the ones who play cringe weebshit jrpgs. Won’t be saying any names but you know which ones.

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Just say Personafags.

Persona for example?

>The devs literally said they couldn't get it to work

and yet
youtube.com/watch?v=0fS24IxelBA
still calls it a SMTxFE crossover

>we can't get the crossover to work
>but we will call it a crossover for marketing purposes!

smt 4 is better

It is still technically a crossover that uses elements of both, it's just not a medieval smt.

Only the Japanese version (with English Patch, if you can't into Nihongo). Since there are changes in the west version which are not acceptable and make the message which the game want's to tell you less more powerful. Fuck censorship.
Also some knowledge about the (dark) background of Idolculture would make you understand more.

Its never coming out now that they busted up with Platinum.

>tfw there will never be another J-RPG for adult men
The last one was Lost Odyssey.

Holy fuck no. Stop smoking crack, Sonyfanboy. You obviously even haven't played it.

Based.

Stay obsessed, you know exactly what games I’m talking about.

>Still has the characters, classes, and themes of a FE game with skills and attributes of an SMT game
>Can't be called a crossover for marketing purposes

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>an actual crossover
It IS an actual crossover, gameplay wise.
SMT SJ combat as a base, improved demon co-op, Fire Emblem enemies and bosses, fuckton of Megaten references.

And OST is dope:
youtube.com/watch?v=80i-m2e6gWA
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youtube.com/watch?v=gy_nUw50PtM
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Xenoblade 2 might have been a good game if not for the shitty tsundere and hentai designs.

Nigger, I love 7th Dragon but it’s not even the best in it’s console.

Persona 5 is the best jrpg of the decade and Bloodborne is the best game of all time. That's it if your only platform is the PS4 of course.

All inferior.

Yeah, Persona.

>SMTxFE
You almost had me, user. You almost did. And then you broke my heart.

To be fair, the in-game guide for X is pretty much invaluable if you care even a little about learning the intricacies of the battle system

>has characters from a SMT game

LOLOLOLOLOLOL No one from shows up from the SMT side

prude underage faggot detected

Jack Frost is in the game

>smt side even included if...
>no sigurd or anyone from fe4 on the fire emblem side
fuck this trailer in the ass

By your logic, Etrian Odyssey 2 is a Trauma Centre x SMT crossover

Not only it’s bad on it’s own and censored to hell, it’s a bad crossover. It’s never getting a port and that’s a good thing!

Whether you like it or not it takes things from smt.

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Oh look a game on a flop console that no one played

All it has to show for it is one of the Jack bros? Damn...

Persona 5 is a polished turd.

Get out of here with this shitty game. Not what was promised and not even a good game on it’s own right. Good thing it was a flop.

Any of these for JRPG of the decade desu. They all do different things amazingly. Id probably give it to XC1 simply because 2010 was a dark time for JRPGs and XC1 reminded me the genre can still be good.

Nope.

>censored to hell
kys, literally.
They altered couple of suits. That's it.

Jack Frost, Black Frost, Ame no Uzume, Decarabia, Anzu, Fortuna.

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your a polished turd

XC1 is probably the most complete JRPG of the decade, right next to DQXI.

Why would you even expect the any of those characters directly? It's a megaten game and the only time characters in one game made it to another was smt 2 and Persona 2.

Oh and the OG megaten games.

>Why would you even expect the any of those characters directly?

because it's a Crossover.

They changed a storyline to not be about gravure modeling, a major part of the game's exploration of the Idol world.

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>crossover game
>why would you expect a crossover?
SMTIVA was a better crossover than this

I really don't like current decade Xeno games at all but Monolith is probably the most ambitious JRPG developers right now
Dragon Quest and Persona are fine doing great things using already established JRPG conventions while Final Fantasy's fallen away so hard that it's obvious Square doesn't know what to do with the franchise now.

Xenoblade X is probably the most technologically impressive JRPG ever made.

>announce that you're making a crossover game between 2 popular RPG franchises
>the final product resembles nothing like either of the franchises
>completely alienate the core audience who was going to buy your game
>slap a censorship sticker on it just to kill whatever small amount of potential buyers you had left
>not to mention it was an exclusive to a console nobody bought
>people to this day wonder why it failed

A crossover of SMT and fe.
Two games that rarely have characters from each universe/time cross over outside of the occasional non canon dlc.
You shouldn't have expected to see Flynn meeting Chrom.

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>You shouldn't have expected to see Flynn meeting Chrom.
That's literally what they advertised

>They altered couple of suits. That's it.
Factually wrong. Most of the script was changed, what started as a critique about the idol industry ended up being an straight up idol game with very few references to SMT and FE.

>franchises
Key word "franchises". Which they did.
>the final product resembles nothing like either of the franchises
Which is also false because it takes themes and gameplay elements from both games.

>You shouldn't have expected to see Flynn meeting Chrom.

except teased the idea

i would argue that falcom is the most ambitious. the sheer scale of the worldbuilding in kiseki is incredible.

>what started as a critique about the idol industry
It was never a criti
ended up being an straight up idol game with very few references to SMT and FE.

>Most of the script was changed
They do this in Xenoblade too, yet no one complains there.

Wanna try that again, user?

>>>/reddit/

>because it takes themes
Remind me which SMT and FE games are about idol culture

So only if it's a few things, which btw you are wrong, the script was also altered, censorship is ok?

Monolith are fucking TECHNOLOGY wizards.

X literally holds the world record for largest open world made by hand without procedural generation assistance, in vidya.

Every bigger open world in video games is either entirely procedurally generated, or partially procedurally generated with human touches.

And it still has more content than most of the open world games it competes with. And this is on the fucking Wii U of all hardware.

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Yeah it probably is. The story is pretty bad compared to 3 and 4 though. Probably the most streamlined turn based JRPG ever made

Oh shit it’s that game that tried to be a worse version of Persona, but then managed to be a pretty solid and really fun game on it’s own. Where’s your Switch port?

user. If I make a game about WW2 and one the characters is called Chrom and some random soldier has a Pyro Jack drawing on his helmet, that game is not SMTxFE. Well, you can call it that but it would still be a bad crossover.

>Open world
>Designed around quest markers
Into the trash it goes.

refer to

>Most of the script was changed, what started as a critique about the idol industry ended up being an straight up idol game with very few references to SMT and FE.
Oh good, he fell for the shitposting.
Okay one, it was never critiquing the idol industry in either version. In fact it has ver little to do with it and generally focuses on the idea of performances in general. In fact one of the party members is a villain in TMS Kamen Rider who wants to become the hero.
Two, the game is littered with SMT and FE elements and references for example the player Mirages are named after FE characters, the weapon triangle exists, spells and attacks from smt are there, the entire battle system is an advanced version of SJs and HeeHo Mart is a supermarket designed around Jack Frost.

Don't talk about games you haven't played.

TMS is nothing like Persona.

Are you trying to say that SMT games don't involve a crisis in Tokyo or that none of the mirages have FE counterpart?

When it sells 1/8 of what Persona sells.

I don’t like open world games, but X is really impressive, and you can tell they optimised the fuck out of the engine for the Wii U. It’s sad that they had to port it to the Switch architecture on such short notice, which no doubt caused trouble with 2

>censorship is ok?
If it doesn't affect things that matter - gameplay, level design, OST - I'm fine with it. I can live without few covered animu tiddies playing good RPG.

And this game is still lewdest Megaten project to date.

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Not even close OP

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>If I make a game about WW2 and one the characters is called Chrom and some random soldier has a Pyro Jack drawing on his helmet, that game is not SMTxFE
And if the game is set in tokyo, is an rpg, takes mechanical elements of both it most certainly is.

Cheaply made and only known for how it was censored.

God, I wish that was me.

>something bad hapoens in tokyo = basically an SMT game
You're killing me here

Did a minor get an orgasm like in Final? I don't remember that part.

Not him but if you make a game like this
>ww2
>rpg
>set in tokyo
>about to get nuked
>only way to stop it is powers based on FE
Then it is. Its literally taking parts of both.

Based and hoypilled

Best part is all of the wildlife in the game has migratory patterns, simulated food chain/ecosystem and daily routines that bring them across the various continents. It's that kind of detail that you never see in JRPGs and rarely see in WRPGs.

How many smt games have you played exactly? Because literally every mainline title is about a crisis in Tokyo.

DQXI didn't even beat DQ8.

Way to derail the thread with this awful piece of shit.

>And this game is still lewdest Megaten project to date.
>casual scum hasn't played Giten

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This game plot is literally canon in both FE and Megaten universes. FE characters traveled to the one of Amala multiverse version, and Tokyo in the end is apocalyptic again.

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>literally every mainline title is about a crisis in Tokyo.
I don't think you know what the word 'literally' means.

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All crows are birds, but not all birds are crows

regretfully, yes, there wasnt any good JRPG this decade.

>super natural shit in tokyo
>relates to society
>monsters are killing people
Which game am I talking about.

>derail a thread about JRPGs with a JRPG

That’s not fair, in Megaten everything’s canon.

A bad one, forgotten only for the fact that it displeased fans from both franchises and therefore it only works as bait? Yes.

7th Dragon 3?
Tokyo Xanadu?

thank god, so fucking taste
Not to say that this decade hasn't bene pretty decent for JRPGs
Persona 5, XB2, Nier Automata (if you count it), NNK2, and tons of others.
Just a good time for the medium
And fucking tons of good extended material. Torna, P5Royal, and smaller titles like fucking that Noragami stuff

And I don't think you know what mainline means.
retronauts.com/article/906/embarking-on-a-strange-journey-redux
>To be exact, it was developed as a spinoff from the start.
>because it was conceived as a spinoff, we enjoyed the freedom of going off on a tangent from the mainline games (and the extra pain and suffering from that, haha). Therefore, I felt a strong resistance to market it as a numbered title, and I ultimately rejected the suggestion.

>A bad one
It was better than P5, though.

Cope.

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If you dig to deep everything become meaningless, literally just turn off your brain and let the game drive you.

>XB2, Nier Automata, NNK2,
>good

>YOU SHOULD KNOW BY KNOW

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>eden
>eclipse
>tokyo
Why do you idiots never even read about these games let alone play them. It makes it so easy to prove you wrong.

Sounds like coping to me

>Nier, NNK2
>Good

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That's why any arguing is pointless, they all are Megaten games, covered one or another theme.

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You're really going to take a wiki over the word of the literal director of the game?
And you're saying I'm coping.

Dude, If..., Nine, Imagine and SJ are all spin offs.

Why don't you? Eden is just Tokyo in the future. The main game starts in Tokyo in the present.

Its just a meme to say p5 is the jrpg of the decade/all time or whatever right?

To those that like p5 what does it do better than any other major jrpg?

Made a visually appealing JRPG that even got people who don't play JRPGs to play it I guess

>Eden is just Tokyo in the future
So it's not Tokyo is it. If we used your logic we could call Etrian an SMT game.

and that sounds fatalist to me

This is *your* retarded logic, not mine

>visually appealing
Nigga, it looks like a PS3 game.

S Tier:
visuals
music
characters
futaba

Day to day schedule. Visually appealing and identifiable characters.

It sheds away most of the tiresome, boring and weeb cringe parts of JRPGs while having relatable themes and characters. It’s stylish, smooth and just fun to play.

>Its just a meme to say p5 is the jrpg of the decade/all time or whatever right?
Kind of yeah.
No one here really gives a shit about persona except for the people using it for console wars. Which is why these threads are usually filled with cope posting when the shitposters have nothing left.

>To those that like p5 what does it do better than any other major jrpg?
Combat, OST, enemies design. Atlus are aces on those criteria.

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>No one here really gives a shit about persona
u fuckin wot

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>tiresome, boring and weeb cringe parts of JRPGs
Since when?
>smooth
Constant loading screens and 10 second attack animations are smooth?

>smooth
You have to go through 30 seconds of unskippable animations every battle.

>It sheds away most of the tiresome, boring and weeb cringe parts of JRPGs
It's a Japanese high school life sim with a barebones rpg in between. All that "weeb cringe" is in Persona. Including the annoying mascot.

I don't see how that makes it not visually appealing

and they look good as fuck too

Since forever. Discussion of Persona dies off within a week of release as far as the fanbase is concerned and after that the threads just become waifu posting.

The only time it had a small resurgence was when Joker came to smash and more people were wondering why than anything else.

This is what a visually appealing game looks like.

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>It sheds away most of the tiresome, boring and weeb cringe parts of JRPGs
Please do tell what these are

>wondering why
was there ever an answer to this?
i unironically put P5 in my top 10 goat for the usual reasons but there's something intangible too. i don't talk about it much but it's always on my mind. i fucking love that game.

Fpbp

I'm certainly enjoying it so far. A shame it wasn't getting ported to switch but I bought the ps3 version on sale at least.
The whole game just oozes style out of every pore though.

And you'll probably spend a few hours or so over the course of a 100+ hour game looking at them. The point is, that's not smooth at all.

Apparently because Sakurai liked the game and he is biased, but at the same time everyone is saying that Nintendo chose the DLC and not him

I was talking about the character animations, combat and UI. It’s definitely smooth as fuck.

Yet it has very little japanese """"""humour"""""" and otaku fanservice pandering that is in moden jrpgs like xenoblade. Menus are also extremely fast and stylish, unlike other jrpgs, and you spend very little time in them.

>To those that like p5 what does it do better than any other major jrpg?
Not much. The VN element is pretty linear despite being a huge focus and they even removed the Bad options that would cause reverses in previous neo-persona games so its extremely safe. It doesn't even really have any multiple endings to speak of like most rpgs with dialogue options either.
As for the combat its just your run of the mill rpg, exploit weakness then win but even easier because you can get about 4 turns in 1 through the use of baton pass and elemental items if you have a party member who doesn't cover a weakness.

All in all its just the visuals that really attracted people.

eh okay, well whatever the reason i'm just glad to have the mementos stage, though it's definitely out of place

>Yet it has very little japanese """"""humour"""""" and otaku fanservice
Imagine actually believing this

>Yet it has very little japanese """"""humour""""""
Have you met Kawakami yet? She's literally a dressed as a stereotypical maid that would see in a maid cafe.

Nah, I'm old enough to be too mature to be turned on by such immature ideas.

>Yet it has very little japanese """"""humour"""""" and otaku fanservice pandering
I'm not fully convinced you've played the game, user.

>linear
you may have limited time but your options are often open if you consider and plan ahead
>just the visuals
combat is kino and not at all standard fare, music is too fucking good, characters are endearing, multiple endings would be cool though

Fire Emblem Fates

Probably true. Are there even any solid contenders?

I mean, yeah it’s there, but it’s relatively very little. And what is there is done tastefully or at least the jokes have some tact to them. I never feel like cringing at the very least, which is a step up.

That's not the Crossbell duology.

What about that one part where they think Ryuji is dead, start crying, and then when when Ryjui comes back, they all beat him up. That's the epitome of cringe anime """""""""'humor"""""""""""'.

>but your options are often open if you consider and plan ahead
Not really? They don't lead to any other options and only affect how fast you complete a confidant path. That's what I mean by linear.

>combat is kino
It's just your regular run of the mill turn based really. But I'll give you the music I did kind of forget.

>literally has dating sim with the girls
>entire in game month of beach episode
>the entire character of futaba
>the entire character of kawakami
>plot relies on pancakes xD so randum

Maybe DQ11 but the rest of these are either trash or not even jrpgs

agreed. My 2nd favorite JRPG ever, right after Chrono Trigger.

>It's just your regular run of the mill turn based really.
Still better than Final Fantasy.

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You haven't even played them I guarantee it

there's a lot more than just confidants to do with your time and many ways to skin those cats
i wouldn't call SMTs system run of the mill, but yes, it's turnbased. maybe it's not revolutionary but it is different than spamming attack or AOE meteor spells.

I don't have to play them to know they're trash.

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Or Futaba coming out in a I think in a daruma helmet.

DQXI is one of the worst game he mentioned though.

>Digging to deep isn't even valid criticism now
Jesus

>not earthbound
die pls

>dqniggers

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See you're posting that like it's any different, well it is just because of the whole ATB system but I'm not going into details because I've switched to phoneposting for a bit, anyway it's more or less the same but persona is carried by the visuals.

never played. cant fairly judge it

style, maybe music, thats about it.

>I've switched to phoneposting
Post discarded.

Sometimes a non-standard jrpg turn based system is all you need.
To be honest, my biggest gripe is just that the tactics between random encounters and the palace bosses (only on the second palace so far so it could change) are a bit disconnected.
Random battles favour heavily downing enemies and carefully managing resources across multiple battles whereas the shadow bosses are more decided by making sure to buff/debuff and heal in good measures.

die even more now

No but seriously what happen to japan?
I was hoping this game will help them get they game on but nope nothing.

Were are all the Jrpg?

Left: soul
Right: soulless
Middle: shit

On the 3DS, and they are better than this ironic weeb bait

I actually love Persona 5 but calling it the RPG of the decade is meaningless, it has no competition.

Strange Journey was included with the numbered titles in the 25th anniversary stuff. SJ is honestly even more like 1 and 2 than 3 is.

>Game only on playstation gets bashed to hell and back
I wonder fucking why

>it has no competition.
How so? It wasn't even the best RPG the year it released, for instance.

*praised

How do we all feel about octopath? I feel like jrpgs are an acquired taste like coffee and after years of playing them off and on i'm starting to see the appeal. Octopath is next on my list and i don't trust cucky "KNACK 2 BABY"s opinion.

>there's a lot more than just confidants to do with your time
Thing is, everything else related to to confidants. Like building your stats like courage for example, they're just a gate for confidants and once you're done there there's no reason to do them again.
Though I do remember those pointless gashapon things.

>i wouldn't call SMTs system run of the mill
Persona is very, very far from what smt is despite being based on turn press.
>but it is different than spamming attack or AOE meteor spells.
If you're talking about the early game, sure but every rpg does that and leads up to the broken moves that can't be blocked like Meteor or Megidolaon which very few enemies in the entire megaten series have a resistance to let alone full immunity.

I fucking knew it, P5fags dont actually play other JRPGs. They're too lost in waifufaggotry and roleplaying as the MC that they don't even realize there's a whole rest of the genre filled with superior games

>Sometimes a non-standard jrpg turn based system is all you need.
That's kind of why I enjoyed persona 1 more than 5. It was more position based than rpgs usually are.

Dunkey is /ourguy/, retard.

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>Strange Journey was included with the numbered titles in the 25th anniversary stuff
That wasn't about mainline titles but just everything SMT console game.

hmm yeah fair enough assessment I suppose

Sorry, that was actually a typo. I meant to say "bog standard". As in: no fancy stuff that is unnecessary to the core function.

How can it be the game of the decade if it's not even a good game?

fuck yes

Most RPGs are position based, though.

Even FE Awakaning had a better story than this garbage.

That's fair too I suppose. From time to time regular turn based can be more relaxing personally.

Not in the same way as Persona 1. Usually you have a back and front row which determines frequency of being targeted or SRPGs like Disgaea or FE.

>Ao no Kiseki

0/10 ZERO IS BETTER

t.pre-teen

Where was DDS, Raidou, etc. then?

Persona would be good if Atlus had better writers. Don't focus on the story so much or make a social sim if you're going to make the characters/story garbage.

They're not smt games, they just had the label slapped on for the west.

Nah, story would be fine but they should break away from the "teenagers with attitude" power ranger angle.

P5 was all over the catalog for like the first half of 2017. I mean it’s been out for over 2 years so of course it’s not as active.

Many games are all over the catalog and no one cares

>The threads die 2 weeks after release
>But they don’t
>Th-th-that doesn’t mean anything

Alrighty then.

DISCUSSION you illiterate fuckwit.

It didn't even get JRPG of the year you 60IQ nigger, What in the hell makes you think its anything of the decade?

>Yea Forums hates Persona 5 now
What the FUCK went wrong?

>Since forever.
t. newfag election tourist
persona 4 was circlejerked for almost a decade on here.

There was. Of course there was also tons of “I want Ann to sit on my face” threads but the 100+ hour game did also have plenty of actual discussion as well.

I've hated it since release, I can't believe I actually fell into Atlus' tricks and expected the game to be more than just a slightly updated P4, I want all the time I spent watching those fucking stupid stream announcements back.

it didn't get ported to the bing bing toy, so it sucks now.

>t. newfag
P4 is Yea Forums's least favorite.

people's opinions have started changing on it recently. it still got circlejerked for many years.

fpbp

5 was complete trash

Probably, but it’s also had plenty of threads for years now.

>but the 100+ hour game did also have plenty of actual discussion as well.
Yeah.
For about a week. As long as the game is it didn't give people much to talk about because most of those 100 hours is just meaningless teen stuff unrelated to the real plot.

Kill yourself you falseflagging cunt. You didn't play the game during release.

Too many P4 fans so they broke the zelda cycle of new game good old game bad and saw what shit this game actually is

You're thinking of P3.

Most of which were waifu threads until a new spin off was released.

What you are saying is just blatantly false - P5 was easily one of the most discussed games on Yea Forums in 2017 no matter how much you claim otherwise.

Not because it's a good game, but because your genre sucks.

Xenoblade 2 was my fave

>P4 ever being hated

Stop listening to the few assblasted SMT faggots salty about it. P4 is pretty well liked.

Again, waifu threads are not discussion.

Y I K E S

>P4 is pretty well liked.
It's Yea Forums's second least favorite Persona game.

>assblasted P3/5 faggots
ftfy

They both did really, but I’d say P4 got more just based how many more spinoffs it got.
I mean, even if we disqualify whatever your definition of a waifu thread, it’s been active on the catalog for years,

I’m not trying to change your mind on whether or not you like the game, but all I’m staying is that it’s a fact that Persona has been quite heavily discussed on Yea Forums for years by sheer volume.

No it isn't but keep telling yourself that

It is. Cope harder.

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It is literally like one person that keeps spouting the same tired old argument. Probably you.

I absolutely did you fucking nigger, you probably weren't even lurking this site back when they did the 60 hour stream that only showed some fucking chairs, you braindead P5 bandwagoner.

Even if we disqualify whatever your definition of waifu threads are it still holds true.

A good thread died for this shit.

Good choice but I don't think it's fair to put P4 in this decade just because of the Golden version.
Based

He probably didn't but I did. The game is ridiculously easy and even changing the difficulty won't change that because it's the most exploitable game in existance. Gameplay consists of running through shitty bland hallways while you fight enemies that take no effort to get rid of because the game is ridiculously unbalanced giving you top tier personas at the beginning of the game to steamroll through due to the absolute lack of any real risk. The characters unlike the previous games are so ridiculously 'modern anime' to the point that you can't take anything seriously especially when the dialogue is so bad. The story is pretty much a nonentity. Its a game thats all style but no substance. You just like it because "HEY GUYS I GET TO SHOOT GOD IN THE FACE" and "STYLISH AS FUCK" and "KAWAMOMMY BEST GIRL". You 5fag zoomers are the exact reason why videogames and this board is dead. Now why don't you play a real SMT instead

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Cope harder, P4fag. P3 has and always will be Yea Forums's Persona of choice.

>muh buzzwords
>screencaps
>cope cope cope

This is why nobody likes P3 fags

How? It's better gameplay wise in everyway from 3/4, and which characters/story you prefer is just which flavor of shit you think is better

>It's better gameplay wise in everyway from 3/4
Nope. You're not even punished for using a spell that an enemy is null to. 3 is still the GOAT for gameplay.

Cope.

>trying this hard
P5 was almost everything Persona fans ever wanted. The hype was immense on release from both fans old and new. If you hate it so much, you just dislike Persona in general, so perhaps you should stick to your edgy fedora tipping simulators or cringe neptunia-tier fantasy games.

>I can't defend the game itself so I'll only mention the prerelease hype
>buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz
You're a clown.

I hated the ending though.
>go down to mementos
>boring corridors
>random ayy lmao boss who was secretly behind everything all along
Eh.

3 was kino; 5 was weeb bait.

>Game is easy
Yep. Most SMT games aren’t really that hard. Your image is one of the easiest ones in the franchise.
>Bland hallways
Not exactly sure what you expect of dungeon crawling, but I’ll allow it.
>Top tier personas in the beginning
Nah this is actually very false. XP gains until the near end of the game kinda suck and you don’t get really great personas until the level 60 mark, unless you think just having a bunch of elements on your Jack Frost counts as “top tier”.
>Characters are so ridiculously anime.
I don’t even know what this is supposed to mean, but if you mean they follow anime archetypes too much compared to the older games I must disagree P4 follows them much more strictly and P3 is about the same.

The rest of your post is literally autistic drivel and not worth anyone’s time. I honestly doubt you’ve played much of the actual game.

Persona 2 though?

Except it was loved from release and onwards too. Everyone was talking about their time with it and how much of a great ride it was. Yea Forums being contrarian months after the fact doesn't suddenly change that.

5 is the least weeb of the new persona games or any recent jrpg. It's oozing in style and has no forced kawaii shit.

Thats basically it. Style over substance, but managed to draw in a ton of people who usually wouldn't touch JRPGs, hence so many think its the best JRPG of all time because they've literally never really touched one in the first place

3 > 2 > 5 > 4 > 1 is Yea Forums's ranking.

Go away 3 fag

Imagine being this mad that Yea Forums's favorite is 3.

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2>4>3>5>1 is the correct ranking, however.

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Started with 1 and finished 2 last week, no fucking way 2 is better than 1

>5 is the least weeb of the new persona games or any recent jrpg. It's oozing in style and has no forced kawaii shit.
Clown repeats the same jokes over and over. You sound like a marketer at this point.

That's correct for story. Gameplay is solidly 5>4>3>2>1

No way fag

I only say it because people keep calling it weeb for no reason, especially compared to other jrpgs.

>morgana

You keep covering your eyes whenever someone points out the game being weeb shit
>especially compared to other jrpgs
Not an argument.

>correct for the story
>2 is second place
>main plot twist is "lmao just forgot we met haha"

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It's pretty realistic, you forget people all the time and don't even know it.

>whenever someone points out the game being weeb shit
This doesn't mean anything and is essentially a dressed up "have sex," so it should be ignored.

P5 fanboys everyone

I don't know what combination of low IQ and masochism brought you to Yea Forums to rally against weeb shit, but good God does it make for some really bad posting.

>Yea Forumss guy is a certified cuck
Sounds about right.

>not an argument
It literally is though. Relative to other JRPGs this gen it is very tame. Seriously, look at SMT IV:A, Ys VIII and especially Xenoblade 2 with it's KYAA BAKA HENTAI and horribly animated dancing cringe. P5 doesn't come close to any of that.

Yeah i can sure forget about that time i played with a whole group of 5 (FIVE) people all day every day for weeks with our power ranger masks always on while we forced the only member that had to go away in a shrine that took fire shortly after, who didn't experience that has a child haha

>P5 was almost everything Persona fans ever wanted
A rehash of 4 and even more simplified mechanics?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure a lot of people expected something a little more darker.

Don't lie to me, you forgot about that one kid in class didn't you? Tell me his name if you didn't. Yeah, didn't think so.

>Go try to shit up a thread on a game you don’t like.
>Spew false information and regurgitated opinions.
>Get told by multiple people that you’re wrong and acting like a retard.
>Make sure to hit all the buzzwords to just make sure nobody takes you seriously.
>”Wow cool fanbase guys.”

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You got what you deserved.

Persona 5 is all style, no substance. The characters are one-dimensional and I didn't find a single one likeable. Combat revolves around looking up an enemies weakness and one shotting them. 70% of the dialogue could be removed from the game without affecting it.

DQ11 is a much better JRPG than this game.

>>Game is easy
Most SMT games aren't that hard but they aren't nearly as braindead as P5. You're just lying to yourself
>Top tier personas in the beginning
Shiki-Ouji and Setanta are both OP and both are under level 30. This + Max Strength social link breaks the game halfway through. You're probably just retarded and didn't fuse anything
>Characters are so ridiculously anime.
The characters in P3 and P4 were stereotypes/caricatures like most anime and cartoons but the difference is that they were at least somewhat relatable. Their issues for the most part could at the very least match with the player e.g. Mitsuru being an out of touch rich kid, Ken (as annoying as he is) having to come to terms with revenge and the loss of his mother as well as Junpei's insecurity around the protagonist. Even P4 had more relatable characters, Kanji coming to terms with his manhood, pressure on Rise due to her fame etc. There are definitely people who at the very least fit these categories.
In persona 5 the characters are all written around their ridiculous scenarios.
Makoto is a student council president who's parents both died and is being taken care of by her bitch older sister who's also a prosecutor
Futaba is a hikki girl who's incredibly autistic but is the also somehow one of the worlds greatest hackers. How can anyone relate to this in any way? What I mean by 'modern anime' (which you conveniently cut out) is that the characters are unrealistic and unrelatable to a point where it's completely immersion breaking.

I know you're a brainlet and you don't know what good writing, storytelling or gameplay is but shit like this should be very apparent instead of you telling me "UHH YOU JUST DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME" I'm saying this as someoen coming in who thought the game would be great. I beat it twice and even beat the 2 lolis. It's shit. Accept it.

Are the story and characters in DQ11 good?

This.

I don't remember 4 having suicide, sexual abuse, power abuse, mental breakdowns, themes of rebellion etc.

You're the one shitting on every other JRPG for being weeb shit while pretending your weeb shit isn't weeb shit because you cover your ears and scream whenever someone shows you why it's weeb shit.
It is not an argument. Even assuming you're correct, other games being bad does not make P5 good. P5 literally has KYAA BAKA HENTAI moments in the first fucking palace and you don't care. P5 has a whole ingame month of beach episode where all the girls are in bikins and are insecure and shy about themselves until self insert-kun reassures them. Futaba is like this for the entire game.

>complains that persona 5 is all style no substance
>acts like DQ11 has any substance

No

>DQ11
>Not the most substance filled JRPG of the last 5 years

Probably less about the characters and more about the music than anything. The music industry in Japan is an entirely different, and more cutthroat, beast from video games.

Yes. The characters have depth to them and I found them all to be immensely likeable. The story is slow at the start but there are a lot of interesting twists and turns.

All of which were handled just as bad as 4

>No
>Yes

SO WHICH IS IT YOU ASSHOLES

>just turn off your brain bro lmao!

Are you gonna listen to a salty P5 zoomer or someone that actually played DQ11?

I have taste, the other user doesn't.

it is a shameless retread of previous, superior games. A corporate product designed to rake in guaranteed buyers, the Japanese DQ consumers.

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Nope. Keep moving the goalposts though.

Play DQ11 and form your own opinion.

Guys you're making it really hard who do I listen to aaaaahhhhh

Insufferable P5tards praising it like the second coming of Christ and somehow believing it isn't the cringy, clichéd anime garbage it is.

>who do I listen to aaaaahhhhh

Yourself, don't let others influence you.

This post is the definition of the P5 coper. He has no argument so he has to resort to just saying that you're wrong because "I said so" as if what he's saying actually matters on a burmese basket weaving app.

P5R > P4G >P5 > P4 >P3 FES> P3P >P3

P5 is for normies. Like I don't know how or why but Persona 5 literally got latched on to by the normie audiences who gargle shit like nu-wars or MCU.

>That's correct for story.
no, 3 belongs in last place for story. it barely even has a story at all until the last month or so.

Keep coping in your contrarianism. The majority have acknowledged P5 as one of the least cringey JRPGs and there is nothing you can do to change that. It's popularity all over the internet speaks for itself, even with people that dislike anime.

>POULAR GAME GOOD
>LESS POPULAR GAME BAD

>Most SMT games aren’t as easy as P5
Honestly most of the ones released in the last 10 years are pretty comparable. Some like Nocture are definitely harder, but as a whole SMT games aren’t really that hard.
>Top-tier personas.
Those are good, but lol they aren’t top tier please take your own advice and fuse your own shit and pass their skills onto better personas. Also you can’t max strength until level 51, which is definitely way past the midway point of the game, so you’re also wrong.
>Characters are one dimensional.
Yet you yourself go on to say it’s a result of their circumstances and environments compared to the other characters, thus defeating your point.

Maybe you did play the game, but to be honest your reasons for disliking it aren’t well-founded or consistent. Also,
>I didn’t like the game
>But I beat it twice (which is easily over 150 hours)
Uh-huh okay sure.

>Accept it
M8 I think you’re the one that has to come to acceptance.

But I thought P5 was for weebs...

>argumentum ad populum

p5fags everybody, this is all they have to defend their shit game

It is.

Persona has been mainline as fuck since 2007.

they already did. p5's ending shits all over the "teenagers with attitude" trope.

t. ironic weeb

to be fair a lot of contrarianism come from smt fans who literally operate on >POPULAR GAME BAD
>LESS POPULAR GAME GOOD

>lol you didn't play the game ur opinion doesn't matter
>but I did
>if it's so bad why did you play it :^)
Kill yourself

It got popular

But then how is it so popular with people who find anime cringe?

I'm getting conflicting messages here guys. Is Persona 5 cringey weebshit or is it only overrated because its popular?

I mean I get that a lot of people like it but not once have I ever seen it described as "least cringey"

Nope, it's because the characters and story is shit. It's flashy and that's it. I nearly fell asleep playing it, I had to put it down when the girl transformed into a motorbike.

no it wasn't.

don't forget p3fags, who defend a game with no story until the final hours, the most boring dungeon in jrpg history, and a gimmick combat system that you spend more time watching than playing - all just to be contrarian.

They weren't 10/10 legendary but they were certainly good.
Nier had pretty enjoyable combat and some interestinf customization options
NNK2 wasn't as good as NNK1 but I still really enjoyed it and its weird RTS/JRPG combat

>XB2
>not good
It's at least, in the aggregate, as good as P5 in my book

>Mitsuru
>relatable
lmao

>Persona 5 is popular so that means it's good! You're not allowed to criticise it or you're a contrarian!
>Man, FFXV is so terrible, I can't believe it sold millions like this
>WRPGs? Those are just garbage eaten up by normalfags, I prefer japanese ones

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>It's another 'brainlet can't into P3' episode

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>unironically the jrpg of the decade
Literally 90% story and 10% gameplay.
Ridiculous. Should have just made an anime and be done with it.

Thank you for glaring over all the points I made that deflate your argument and for offering such great advice. Maybe I should instead go spend 150 hours doing something I swear I don’t like instead.

Persona 5 brought back negotiations. This makes it objectively superior to P3 and P4. Discuss.

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It isnt? IT only sold about 2-2.5 million
I can imagine that most anyone who picked it up enjoys anime in some form or other.
P5 is Cringey weebshit, it's just that there's a lot more weebs now than before because it's becoming popular to be an 'ironic' weeb.
It's overrated because it's popular within that sub-community of people too ashamed to acknowledge they like anime unironically

I'm not even him, you're just retarded

P3 FES was massively popular when it came out.

You had me until you brought up knd; you’re just a pseudo intellectual retard

That's most JRPGs though.
P5's weak because, despite being 90% story, its story is actually quite weak

This.

>it's another "brainlet thinks p3 is deep" episode

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It was, brainlet.

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Oh yeah, how much did it sell in comparison to p5 then, user?

p1 and p2 had actual depth. p3 was shonen shit with the depth of a puddle.

Counter point: Negotiations are less important for Persona compared to SMT since SMT is about being in a world inhabited by mythical creatures for whom negotiation plays a thematic role
In Persona, combat with shadows is more about symbolically combatting people's internal thoughts, so negotiation is less important for conveying the feeling of interacting with sentient demons because they're not really supposed to be very sentient on their own as much as they are a subconscious projection.
And Negotiations, no matter how much fun, don't make up for the lackluster writing in P5

>way worse combat, menus, animations, characters, story, artstyle and music
>waifu gachashit vs demon fusion system
It's not even close to being as good as P5.

P5 negotiations were terrible because all of the dialogue was forgettable, and you had to try really hard to fail it

Fair point, but is not negotiation in Persona also symbolic of your adopting a different Jungian persona in each encounter, just as choosing the correct ability to use against a particular shadow's weakness is?

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VGchartz says .63m, which is very high for a remake of a game made a year ago that also is a PSP port back in 2007-2008.

>VGChartz

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>but as a whole SMT games aren’t really that hard.
Yeah I just said that but even they are more of a challenge than P5. Try SMTIV Beelzebub or the Fiends or DDS2 Demi Fiend and then come back to me.
>Top-tier personas.
Even without max strength you can get them early game. Setanta has charge and swift strike (Swift strike alone is broken enough)
>Yet you yourself go on to say it’s a result of their circumstances and environments compared to the other characters, thus defeating your point.
How does it defeat my point?
1. My main point was that the circumstances that the characters are in are completely unrealistic compared to the previous save maybe Ryuji.
2. With the exception of a few, the characters in P5 never really change. They're exactly the same at the start as they are at the end.
I never even mentioned that the characters are one dimensional. You're just strawmanning at this point because you want to look like you're right.
>I didn’t like the game
>But I beat it twice (which is easily over 150 hours)
I'm convinced that you can't read. I just said i wanted to like the game but I couldn't bring myself to because its fucking boring as shit. I beat the game twice because i thought at the very least there would be a few optional bosses like in persona 4 but the reaper is a fucking joke. Fight him in the flu season and he dies in 3 turns. A superboss shouldn't die that quickly. The other one was no harder than any regular boss from persona 3. Use the same braindead "strategies" from every other boss fight.
>M8 I think you’re the one that has to come to acceptance
Dumb redditor, you haven't come up with a single point against me nor can you even prove that you've played that 100 hour slog of a game is good let alone JRPG of the fucking year. I pray you're cured of your abysmal taste one day.

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Oh, how come you left out the p5 sales then user?

Why is Yea Forums like this?

p5's negotiations were thematically appropriate for the game because of the whole phantom thief angle. there's a reason why they were themed as a hold-up.
p5's negotiations weren't that great compared to other megaten games, but they were still a lot better than shuffle time. thanks to p5 and smtv, they'll have the structure to improve on them in p6.

Bitterness.

How does Persona 5 get away with having such dogshit NG+? In mainline SMT games, you get to get new endings and play new routes, and theres at least some extra content for you to tackle and bosses to kill in NG+. Meanwhile in Persona 3 and later, all you get is ONE (1) superboss, and you get to see the shitty social links that you missed on your first playthrough. At best, they let you get new endings, but they are always mostly just "better" than the original ending, unlike the SMT games that give you wildly different endings and endgame scenarios. Not to mention the game is 80% dialogue, so most of your NG+ is literally just skipping dialogue for hours on end.

>If you don't like Persona or FFXV, you hate JRPGs!
cringe

It's just not better than dragon quest 11, maybe about just as good but the end of the game drops the ball hard and the whole megumi tensei "good job, now u fight god, do u rike it" is getting so old. Dq starts out the opposite, it is so cliche and then subverts those expectations, because it was so basic to begin with I never considered mordegon to be anyone other than just a plot device and even the tiny details like that series of books you read throughout the game where at the end you find out they were written by your adopted grandpa just have a level of depth to them that persona 5 never really hits, the music in persona is actually listenable though

I would say yes if your Persona Arcana affected your chances of success in any given negotiation (if they do do that, let me know because I'm not aware of that coming into play at the moment).
I'd say the part of the game that more encapsulates that idea is how you gain more social points with various social links if you're currently using a persona of the same arcana during the event.
Don't get me wrong, I loved Negotiations in P5 from a gameplay perspective. I even loved how your party members come in to help.
But I don't think that they serve nearly as important a role in P5 or Persona as a whole compared to SMT, where themes of life, death and survival push the need for non-violent conflict resolution more and more

>That's most JRPGs though.
I got home from work yesterday at 7. I had just finished defeating kamoshida so I had to sit through his whole confession and shit. 3 hours later and I'm still clicking X through text and finally get a break to pause so I could go to sleep for work 2moro. I've never played any rpg in my life that had given me a 3 hours of cutscenes to set me up for the next dungeon. Literally got to playing today and still had another hour of running around and clicking through cutscenes till I had like a 10min mini dungeon crawl for that stalker bloke filled with more cutscenes.
It's okay I like the story and stuff but it's pretty absurd.
>P5's weak because, despite being 90% story, its story is actually quite weak
I beg to differ but reading this now has me worried emulate.

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Game design is super hard.

based

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M8 whaddya want me to do - find other articles from over 10 years ago that may or may not be correct?
Because it sold over 2.5m I know already, but if you’re comparing sales of a game from 12 years ago to a game released 2 years ago with much more hype and awareness behind it you’re nuts.

>(if they do do that, let me know because I'm not aware of that coming into play at the moment
If you have the persona of whichever shadow you're talking with they react to it and express joy at it.
>But I don't think that they serve nearly as important a role in P5 or Persona as a whole compared to SMT, where themes of life, death and survival push the need for non-violent conflict resolution more and more
True, but at least it's there, unlike in P3 and P4.
It never should've been removed.

>How does Persona 5 get away with having such dogshit NG+?
It's the current year of gaming.
That's why they're release P5R

>missing the point this hard

You didn't even try, because even you know your game is trash.

I didn't try because I consider both games 9/10s.

>way worse combat
debatable. I'd say the quality of the combat oscillates depending on what stage of the game you're in. P5 is a typical SMT affair but with enough variety to keep your style changing throughout. XB2 is a semi-action system where short-term resource management is more important.
>worse menus
Not going to argue with that, the QOL for UI was pretty bad in XB2 and P5 excels in that area
>animations
Very hard disagree. P5 has a handful of solid animations for combat, but a lot of it is more in the way the camera frames certain attacks. The rest are pretty middling (though the unique attacks from DLC Personas were pretty cool).
XB2 not only has a lot more attack animations in general but I find that they're generally just better depicted. Everything from auto attacks, to arts to Blade specials. Even the idle animations are better in XB2, IMO.
>characters
Fucking hard disagree there. Almost all of XB2's core cast gets pretty solid writing and most get a solid arc (even if it happens before the main events of the game), not to mention the villains blow all non-Kamoshida P5 Villains out of the water in writing, charm or both.
P5's best characters are also its only good ones. Yusuke, Ryuji, Toranosuke, Sae and Kawakami. And those are it. Everyone else is either boring or underwritten.
>artstyle
more style is not a better art-style necessarily, but this one is super subjective so I'll let it pass
>music
Big disagree. P5 has a couple of solid battle themes but I'd argue its ambient background themes are weaker than XB2's (and weaker than P4's, for that matter).
XB2 also has, what I feel are comparable battle themes to P5's

>its ambient background themes are weaker than XB2's
Weak b*it.
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>If you have the persona of whichever shadow you're talking with they react to it and express joy at it.
Huh, I guess I didnt play around with different settings too much.
I'll try using that more and more in P5R then.
And I agree, it shouldnt have been taken out. It makes the gameplay better than P3's and P4's, for sure. In general, I feel like P5's combat was better, even in just play Persona v Shadow combat (without GUN or party members or what have you).
And the city/slice-of-life stuff was fucking top notch too, Im happy to see them expanding that stuff a ton in Royal.
Here's hoping they fix some of the story beats, since they also seem to be fixing and expanding the dungeon design a ton

When talking about JRPG of the generation, and reading the posts from these kinds of threads for the last few months, it seems like the 3 main contenders are Dragon Quest 11, Xenoblade 2 and Persona 5

>I had an actually civil discussion about Persona 5 today
Feels good man.

Beneath the Mask is good, but that's one compared to nearly all the open-area night themes in XB2 which are of similar level.
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Dragon Quest 11 is just an all around good game There's not really any major flaws with it but on the other hand there's not really anything astounding with it.
Persona 5 and Xenoblade 2 are both great games but they excel in completely opposite aspects from one another, and the weakest parts of one game is the strength of the other game.

XB2 is only brought up by people who love self insert harem anime or don't have a PS4.

I don’t like negotiations desu at least with shuffle time my chances of getting the persona I want isn’t behind a badly disguised rng wall

>Xenoblade 2 and Persona 5
user, these are movies.

It's just persona 3 and 4 again except you can choose inheritable skills during fusion.
Berseria was a far better game.

I don’t remember having much trouble with Beelzebub. At that point salvation is easy to have and charge + heavy phys and praying for crits, though my Flynn was Mag-based.

Setanta isn’t really that early game - you can maybe pick him up by the end of the third dungeon? The xp gains early game are really that bad early game.

I though the characters are much more relatable in terms of their conflict. Ryuji is a loner who got kicked off his club and lost his friends, Ann feels responsible for her friend hurting herself. Meanwhile Mitsuru can’t figure out to eat a hamburger, and Chie wants to be a literal superhero because justice.

Most of the cast in P5 changes - Ann and Ryuji stop being loners, Yusuke stops looking up to Madarame, Makoto stops sucking up to teachers and thinking for herself, etc. I thought it had plenty of that

And, dude, please forgive me if I can’t believe that you disliked a 100+ hr game so much that you played it twice.

The director/writer of XB2 claims he doesn't even like modern anime and that the he and the rest of the writing team tried to capture the feeling of their childhood anime from between the 70s, 80s and 90s.
For reference, a lot of XB2 reminded me of JRPGs like Lunar.

It's the main theme the whole fucking game and then the final boss starts going on rants about it.

>Sae
dumb cakefag

I think it's easier when people don't take hardline, statement-of-fact positions about somehting. It makes people less personally attached to their views as part of their identity or some shit.
Honestly, Persona 5 had so much enjoyable stuff and clearly the team WANTS to make a really stand-out game, that it makes me feel like they probably listened a ton to feedback
Those are just the three most prolific ones.
Because if we go by sales, the JRPG that is most prolific is FFXV. Not even saying its good but in terms of most people's vote for JRPG of the decade, it's likely going to be XV just by the number of people who have heard of it.

>Smirk
>Good
No

You don't even need to think she's attractive to realize she's one of the few really well written characters in the game.
I should probably add gun-store guy to that list but I'd have to go back through his confidant again

>that it makes me feel like they probably listened a ton to feedback
But I wonder how much bigger the town will actually turn out to be. Is the aquarium the only spot they're adding?

This fucker gets it

Everything is better than smt4

Why should I give a fuck? XB2 looks like seasonal harem trash and nothing will change that.

So how is 600k sales considered massively popular?

Cope.

you forgot about the crafting, pep, level design, thrown-in gimmick sections like the stealth, side quests and music. Those are all shit in DQ11.

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There's nothing haremy about it. Even Persona 5 (which isn't a harem either) gives off more harem vibes at parts.

Im mostly hoping that they added mroe events for the existing characters, not just new ones
It seems like they did from the billiard ball scene

xenoblade 2 isn't anywhere near that discussion for anyone other than bingtendies.

Real talk
Do any Persona games let me reject girls?

Yes.

Billiards and darts, yeah. But I didn't really care for fishing or the batting cages so I probably won't care for these either. Minigames just aren't my thing.
Unless it's mahjong. Or maybe they could let you play actual shogi with Hifumi.
But nah.

cool how does it work

>Great
DQ11 - 9/10

>Good
XB2 - 7.5/10
Persona 5 - 7/10

>tfw you will never wake up next to Makoto and spend a pleasant and ordinary day with her

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I didnt even find fishing on my first playthrough.
I think the main thing is that there have to be enough different dialogue scenes to incentivize players to try the minigames even if they dont really give a fuck about rewards.
>actual shogi
nigga, this aint yakuza

Honestly aside from Gust, Tokyo RPG Factory, FF15 and Compile Hearts kusoge i don't think there's a single modern JRPG worse than P5.
How did this primitive pile of shit with a braindead combat system that results in fishing for vulnerabilities in 95% of the encounters and some of the most poorly paced stories out of any JRPGs in existence became popular i really cannot say. Only like 2 dungeons in the entire game are even remotely close to being well-designed.
The social sim aspect is laughable and the faggot cat stops you from utilizing it for the entire WEEKS sometimes. The fact dungeon exploration still takes day time instead of using P3-like formula means you're always better off finishing the dungeon in a day or two instead of having it properly paced and broken garbage like SP Adhesive only makes it easier. Party starts out as promising but then the no-fun-allowed Makoto joins in and fucking wrecks it. "Romances" are beyond garbage as well as the most of the game's girls and you need to be an especially tasteless pile of shit to even get any enjoyment out of that aspect. Antagonists past Kamoshida are absolute trash as well.

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You select the dialog option that rejects them.

Do you mean a situation where a girl confesses to you?
I think you can reject Ai and Rise in P4

It literally is

based and redpilled

i would give Xenoblade chronicles 1 jrpg of the decade too but that shit ran on shitty wii hardware

Because it was far a game released for one console, back in 2007-8, that also split sales with the previous version of the game released like a year back and also with a PSP port. For it’s time and those circumstances that’s a smash-hit.

Seethe harder

>There's nothing haremy about it
>literal waifu gacha collecting
>3 girls lusting after the soiboy bitch MC for no reason other than to let cancerous weebs self insert

All of those games were instantly forgotten, meanwhile Nier Automata received an industry-wide fellatio and sold like 2 times the amount of P5.

>i would give Xenoblade chronicles 1 jrpg of the decade

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You pick the “you’re a great friend” option instead of the “I love you” option.

>this ain't yakuza
No but a man can dream.

Yes, like that.

>he thinks Overratedata is a jRPG

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Nier is DmC tier.

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>DMC4 above Rising
Explain.

Purely from a fundamental stand point, DMC4 is the best action game ever made.

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Donguri considers it among the best 5 combat systems.
Your opinion is irrelevant.

That's not what harem means. There's a love triangle; not a harem. Nia's love for Rex is brought up twice; The first time she brings it up she's turned down (the game explains later that Rex was pretending to be dense) and she never brings it up again and it never plays a role in the story. The second time it's brought up is towards the end of the game which confirms that Rex is aware of her feelings but shot her down to be with Pneuma.
The harem genre is defined by more than 2 girls constantly aiming for the protagonist's dick. By definition, since Nia accepts defeat and it's never brought up again after she's turned down, it's not a harem.
If that's your definition of harem then most Persona games could fall under haremshit too.

last true boss suck assss

Irrelevant and a combat system is only one aspect of combat.

More relevant than your shit opinion, buddy.

>seasonal harem trash
That's actually Persona 5. It's a literal fucking definition of a harem trash.

Cope.

They all did. Nier also released on 3 platforms.

Then why is not even in god tier?

Cope.

Because the rest of the game exists.

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P5 is my favourite game of the last 19 years and it falls closer to harem territory than XB2 ever does

SMTIV Beelzebub is still a superior boss to the shit in 5. Prentice in SMTIV is harder than Hard on P5

3rd dungeon is still relatively early considering how ridiculously long the game is and even then there are personas even earlier on that can get swift strike. EXP was only shit in the first dungeon since that was the onlynpart that was challenging.

>Ryuji
Nigga i just said ryuji was an exception. Ann's subplot is shit. Most of her SL route is modelling and shit.
>Mitsuru can't eat a hamburger
And she's still a better developed character than Ann or M*koto. Even Chie is better despite how shit and uninteresting she is (just like people in real life) But you've decided to cherrypick certain small parts of the game and ignore everything else while doing the opposite for P5.

Makoto still gets cucked by authority figures while leading you. Ryuji only really hangs out with the PT and even when the track team apologises he never actually hangs out with them. And even if there was development its all relegated to social links. In a game with so much cutscenes and so much dialogue theres barely any real development. Fucking P3 knew this and included social links as side content.

Keep coping. P5 is shit. it may be worth $30 but it isnt worth the $60 i paid and I'm glad I sold it.

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>3 girls
2*
1 of them's interest in the MC is only brought up in one chapter and that plot thread is dealt with and concluded in the same chapter

>P5 is my favourite game of the last 19 years

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It aint, its just people that , surprise surprise, havent even played any of them aka posers