All announcers for fighterz are already in the game as either playable or npcs

>Dudley
>Shit
Gutter Trash

Any source on the datamine? Not a single website dedicated to this says anything

>Caulifla and Kale
who?!

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Tekken 7 S1?
Only Geese was good

>SSGSS
What the fuck is that? Do they mean SSB?

Roshi

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Yes

So what's the theme then? Or since they're not releasing together, there is none?
>saiyan
>Gods
>base forms
>Brothers
>Justice/heroes
>Broly Movie
If whatever you're saying has the slightest bit of truth, then what would those two be?

Characters people hate

Alternate universe Saiyans

Blue is just a nickname, the official title is Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. I mean, thematically it makes sense but it's a fucking dumb name.

I assume they would be just one character in tandem because they have fuck all as moves as individual characters

But GT isn't an alternate universe or timeline

Why isn't Roshi in the game yet? He should have been in the base roster

Heres a little crash course on microtransactions:

>GOOD MICROTRANSACTIONS:
-paying for new characters, stages or content that wasnt in the base game (what was called an 'Expansion pack', in the days of yore)

>BAD MICROTRANSACTIONS:
-paying for lootboxes
-paying for chances to get prizes
-Paying for online play outside the systems existent plans
-paying for content already completed in disc
-preorder-only content.

Learn the difference, it might save your life.

Not my top pick but eh.

Best option
>Kale and Caulifla start separate the fuse with a lvl 3 into a slighty OP install
Medium Option
>Just start as kelfa
Worst option
>Be Caulifla and Kale and have a lvl 3 super where they fuse then somehow unfuse

Option 1 is going to be to much work for them, Option 3 makes no goddamn sense since how the fusion works, and yet it wouldn't even surprise me.

So most likely bet is option 2.

ArcSys already fucked up by making the stupid flying rule.
Roshi could easily fly if he wanted to, it's stupid to exclude him for that very reason.

Give him his Jackie Chun appearance and all the unique as fuck moves he did in the tournament + Piccolo Arc.
He would give the game a bit of charm and fun to the overly serious roster.
I guess Bamco only cares about pushing this stupid Supershit which is why they seem to add Caulifla + Kale/Kefla

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[absorbs your DLC spot]

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Are gogeta/broly gonna have that sketched art style from the movie? that'd be neat to make them special

With no moves?

1.- the flying nimbus its not a practical way to fight in the air, as Goku vs. Tamborin showed us.

2.- Roshi cannot use the flying nimbus because hes a perv

3.- Roshi never bothered to fly, and never will considering flying is the flagship technique of Master Tsuru's crane school.

4.- the only way for roshi to fly is to use a vehicle, or Baby Gamera, something i doubt we will ever see again because DAIEI.

5. Mr. Satans jetpack an SDBH are non canon.

Well there's the namekian flight, but then again he probably hates that to.

vegeta's !notUI form is canononically called Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolution

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The fuck are you talking about?

>Being able to pull lava stream from planets core
>Shoot giant lava balls
>Manipulate streams of lava like Krillens ki beams
>Create lava walls at close/med/long range to block and hurt/juggle enemy
>Has impaled multiple people already so that could be a signature move
>Passive ki stealing aura
>Can create a spirit bomb and absorb it to heal and power up

Use your imagination faggot. I can see how he would play in my head already and it would be cool as fuck

>-paying for new characters, stages or content that wasnt in the base game (what was called an 'Expansion pack', in the days of yore)
that's not a microtransaction. that's just DLC. microtransaction got its name from being "little" purchases in shit like candy crush -- $0.99 for an extra life and such. the idea is that they're micro so people will pay for them once, forget about it, and pay for it again. it's not a big purchase so you don't think about it until you're $30 in.

Got one question: Does Videl have spats?

WHY
IS
THERE
NO
FUCKING
ROSHI

HOLY FUCKING SHIT I BOUGHT THE FIRST SEASON PASS BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE WAS A SHOO IN BECAUSE HE WASN'T A LOBBY AVATAR

THEN I BOUGHT THE 2ND SEASON PASS BECAUSE I THOUGHT FOR SURE THEY CAN'T MISS HIM THIS TIME

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT IM MAD

Super Saiyan Ultra Blue is a better name tbqh

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Kinda unrelated, but does anyone else like base SSG more than SSGSS (and fuck those letters). The red is just a better look to me, especially for Goku. Almost 'back to hometown' in a level 99 sort of way, you know? And he looks so calm, too.

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yes, she has a secret alternnate costume if you hold L1 while picking her, which gives her her pigtail look and gives sayiaman his helmet

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Oh wow, something anyone with telekinesis has done that's so impressive.
Oh but he has the spirit bomb too because we totally don't have two characters like that already

Ehy does this game have such a boring roster? Half the interesting dbz characters arent even on the roster

or just dont call it super saiyan and give it a unique name like they used to do in OGDB and pre-namek DBZ
yes actually i really like it, and the way he gets super trim. super gets too much hate for forms, i thought the TOP was really well done with how they have to shift in and out to conserve energy and what not.

Look, i know you are trying to be cheeky, but theres a canon reason why Roshi never bothered to learn flight on his own, stablished since the original DB, and even if other races or species have the ability to fly too, i REALLY doubt all those techs use the same basis or method the original flight technique uses, as such, i dont think its possible for humans to learn how demons, aliens or other species fly.

Dont bother, he hasnt read the manga yet.

Name 3. DBZ only had 3 fucking big bads, and we got all of them and 2 buus

>Complaining about unoriginality in a game with 12 gokus

The spirit bomb isnt an attack. He eats it and absorbs the energy. You even reading the manga bro?

Imagine a level 7 super move where he makes a spirit bomb, eats it and refills all his health and gets a 25% damage buff. But he can't build meter any more after it.

does roshi not fly using a downward kamehameha in OGDB? I know goku does, but i thought Chun did too in one of the tournaments. been years since I watched/read ogdb though so maybe im wrong

>can we have janemba, kid goku, raditz and roshi?
>nah haha but you can have kid goku tho
>for real?
>yeah but it's GT kid goku
not gonna lie i'm legit mad

Isn't that "canon" reason that he's old and not on the level of the younger students so doesn't feel the need to ever do it? And that's why he didn't get involved in fights too?

Then all that goes out the window cus he enters the tournament of power and fights Jiren

The thing that pisses me off is that he has the tail and power pole
Why fucking bother now it's not true to either kid goku

1.- read the manga.

2.- he doesnt rely only on magic to fight, hes actually strong physically, and he gets even stronger with his passive absorption.

I mean, the fucker just killed an ultranamekian, born from the syncup of 20 or so namekian warriors with ONE FUCKING HIT!, fucker never bothered to look him right in the face while doing it.

Can we talk about how disappointing GT Goku is?
>has the power pole but barely uses it
>has penetrate but called dragon fist because it can change

it goes out the window the second yamcha first starts flying.

The game isn't canon anyway. There's literally no point in not letting Roshi suck up his fictional pride in favor of a highly requested character.
I doubt anyone would be legit mad over just letting him fly

>he hasnt read the manga yet
Yeah sure.
Just because someone makes note of a character having no moves means they haven't read the manga.
Next you'll be telling us he isn't currently getting his shit rocked by Buu because his absorption doesn't work on him.

I think goku is using the namekian version of flight since the only place for him to learn it would of been from kami.

For that matter gohan is probably using the namekian version, and by extension videl.

I don't think Namekians technique is an exclusive one.

give it to me straight. is there a chance for season 3 or are they just going to make DBFZ2?

i want an OGDB season with roshi (and a chun alt like videl), kid goku, king piccolo, merc tao (i know hes never ever), giren and maybe the pilaf mech or something

what? Yamcha can fly in the series

Anything is possible since xenoverse is still getting dlc characters

1. See 2. He still doesn't have any moves.
3. Even if he did it would still be too late to add.

i think they wanted to kill 2 birds with 1 stone
but in that case i really wish they didn't give him spirit bomb
SS4 sorta has it but give him a proper Dragon Fist instead

exactly, and roshi is way, way more powerful than yamcha. he could easily fly.

So?
Before that he pushed everyones shit, HARD! specially Goku and Vegeta who ended up in a short coma after being beaten up by this guy.

Here im waiting fo Kefla or Caulifla

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Except he never learned how to.

yes he could but he never bothered to learn how to, anyways it doesn't matter, Roshi was flying in the super manga anyways

People are still playing this shit? Literally why

Hoping its these two.

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>Before that he pushed everyones shit, HARD!
So did Super 17. What's your point?

when does steam update
i dont want to bother fucking around with mods when he comes out today, but when do they update the store?

Whis was transporting them.

Huh? Isn't she already in the game?

Is this the first character that didn't come out in a 2-pack? When I started playing Broly/Bardock/Zamasu/Vegito were all already out. i saw cooler/17 and jiren/videl come out as 2 packs though.

Heres a little crash course on microtransactions:

>GOOD MICROTRANSACTIONS:
-none because games should be appropriately priced to where devs make money off the game even if the players aren't buying extra copies

BAD MICROTRANSACTIONS:
-literally anything that you need to pay for, despite already purchasing the game

Don't let FighterZ fags confuse your notion of good microtransactions vs bad microtransactions. Paying for characters in a fighting game is scummy as fuck, especially when you already paid for the game which should have been a finished product.

Learn the difference, it might save your life.

>Roshi was flying in the super manga anyways
>manga
HA.
There's a reason why no one gives a shit about toyble's work.

great another fucking boring saiyan
don't put in roshi or anything, a character with actually unique moves!

Whats the difference between the broly we have now and the broly coming out?

Healthy roster + consistenly paced season pass is the best way to handle DLC in fighting games though.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about and just deal in extremes

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Ones canon and ones not

>t,zoomer
Pay 60 bucks for a game and maybe 20 for a expansion pack thats how it should be not 30€ DLC every X months+ the 60$+ depending if the game have pre order bonus . neck yourself scumbag

>Stop making dlc
>money for the game stops coming
>investors demand the game gets cut off from support

Yeah that's more ideal

Canon Broly has more moves.

>Devs charging you for characters in a fighting game where characters mean everything is a good business practice
>being complacent when devs do this because "t-t-the devs mean well enough!"
Fuck off, theres no such thing as a good microtransaction and pretending there is, is the reason why every game that you pay 60 dollars for has microtransactions because idiots will fall for it and eat it up and make them millions more then they would have without them.

Yeah i dont see the witcher 3 having any problems like that .

Eh, I don't know. That user kind of has a point.
I mean, a 60 initial purchase with 20 dlc per year is better than a 40 to 60 investment for a new game each year that uses the same assets.

Thats not how a game fucking works user. Games don't have investors you mongoloid, game studios do. Also, if FighterZ is such a shit game it dies without shitty microtransactions then maybe it truly deserves to die.
Stop grasping for straws trying to defend microtransactions like the pawn you are.

Shh-shh, canon obviously prioritizes variety and whatnot in a non-canon video game.
>21 is somehow okay because reasons

dlc keeps fighting games alive
they die so fast you need a consistent release pattern to keep players and attention
you could argue to make them free updates buy thats a lot of resources and also it'd feel like i bought an unfinished game

No. a finished game is what you should get and jsut maybe add 20 bucks and nothing more .

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FighterZ has 151 dollars worth of microtransactions, not counting getting more money for the fucking capsules.
Subtracting all the useless ones that AREN'T characters, your left with 62.82 as the final price. Your literally going to be paying more then the base game for every character.

Witcher 3 has paid DLC though? Also the witch raked in a lot more money than Fighterz did.
Every fighting game gets dropped without support, to many new ones coming out all the time to keep pace without new content to keep people lined in.

Toriyama made SSGSS blue because he wanted to make a new transformation for the movie. That is the only reason.

Just give me Gogeta and Broly already, God damn it

>actually buying the music and voices

I think calling it Royal Blue is cooler and makes more sense.

>a finished game is what you should get
You're still getting that with that 60 investment outside of Bethesda games. Also you're trying to say that spending more money is better if it's called a new game despite barely having more content than the actual dlc packs.

yeah, so? he made SSG for the same reason. and he just made SSJ2 cause he wanted a new form for gohan. and ssj3 becuase he wanted to make a new form for goku.

>Fighting games get dropped without DLC
Thats literally not a reason to defend microtransactions, if the game is good people will still be playing it
King of Fighters
Street Fighter 4
Street Fighter 3
JoJo Heritage for the Future
Tekken TT2
MVC3
All games with healthy communities that never relied on micro transactions to sell characters.

its because witcher 3 HAD dlc and you CAN still buy it separately. its just now, you can buy the complete edition which has ALL the dlc included.

>should have been a finished product.
I don't really see how adding more characters is scummy.
Though arguments can go into "should you have to pay for new additions" or the issue of whether having new editions or DLC characters are worse.

Not to mention the real price is about 90 because the characters are included in the packs and the blues are unlockables in game.

>Your still getting a finished game
No you aren't cause if you were you wouldn't have character packs because every character the devs wanted would already be in.
See the Tenkaichi series.

Nigger those games are mostly dead

If you can't play as Mr. Popo then it is a shit game

nigger all of these games are dead as fuck right now except SF4 online and most of them have ULTRA editions that cost another full price game and add less than a DLC pack

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Yeah its mostly just bad

>Mostly dead
>Has 100+ dedicated people playing it every game
>Most of the games were still being shown at Evo until like 2 years ago
Yeah alright, "mostly dead"

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I mean I wouldn't be surprised if fighterz got a special edition at some point with DLC.

user I hate to tell you this but 2 years ago was 2 years ago

>Multiple games on that list that have to be bought at twice to have the newest version when they were relevant.

And yet this is somehow better than DLC I guess.

Isn't there already a complete version w all DLC for pass 1?
Wouldn't be surprising to have one for Pass 2. Seems to be a trend

i would say yes, but like 6 months or a year after the last dlc hits.

usually takes fighting games a while to get a complete edition, if ever.

461517429
(you)

Since you are serious, let me explain...
If DBFZ launched with the initial roster then it would have lasted a year at most. The FGC explores the game and goes to the next fighting game release on the horizon, resulting in not spending more time in DBFZ.
DLC keeps the interest up and gives players a reason to go back to the game. Even just hearing others talk about a newly released character reminds you of the game.
There's also stuff like influencing the meta. Since the devs get to know how the competitors are playing the game they can add characters with specific strenghts in mind or meta-shifting gameplans.
Your all-or-nothing attitude in this matter is just juvenile and clearly chosen without thought and just principle.
No Fighting game nowadays releases without a season pass and that's mostly because the FGC accepts it because the benefits outweigh the negatives.

Paying for more content while keeping the game alive is definitely worth the price, though I admit that individual character prices should be lower.

Lowest IQ post in this thread. You clearly don't play fighting games

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Cross network play when?

Literally none of them have to be bought twice, and if they do its literally 5 dollars. How can you afford to 60 dollars worth of FighterZ shit, but not 5 dollars for an ultimate edition

>See the Tenkaichi series.
Which started with
50 or so characters not counting forms
No transformations.
Everyone played the same.
Reused animations out the ass.
Gave everyone something like full power energy wave, super explosive wave etc to pad out movesets.
And if I remember right only went up to Super 17.

You're not making much of a point for yourself when that game was clearly unfinished and took three games to do so.

Out go fuck yourself this is why loot boxes are a thing God lord

I'm sure if you wait 12 years to buy fighterz you'd have a decent chance of picking it up with the DLC content for 5 bucks.

How the fuck is this even an argument? SF4 cost around 160$ to stay on top of it when it was going.

Uh no. The reason loot boxes exist is because those games can't sell dlc.

Master roshi
Mr. Satan
Imperfect cell

Because he can’t fucking fly.

Yajirobe
Mr. Satan
Zarbon or Dodoria (Or both)

Oh and if you had bought the entire Tenkaichi series it would have been something like $120 - $180

We're actually getting Kefla?

Time to finally pick this game back up again.

So if i wanna get this game and get all the characters what do i have to buy ? sure theres plenty of stuff on steam

I want to lick Videl's boots.

NOT SO FAST

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Base game
Pack 1 and pack 2
Never buy characters individually if you want them all

Looks like that Kale with Caulifla assist was true. Which makes Kefla an install and you have to mainly play Kale. Fucking ewwww

I'm really hoping that gogeta and broly will actually be totally different characters and not just copy and paste bullshit.

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Why can't they just make a complete edition?

because the DLC isnt out yet?

What? Wouldn't be the other way around?

Because DLC is cheaper than getting people to buy a new game but more expensive than a complete edition.

Honestly max power Roshi would be so good.

>Cheaper
Is 120$ if you want the game + all the characters so far .

You would think but that's not what the leak said. Kale is just a fucking awful character.

>Kelfa
>instead of best girl Kale
Trash, like most of the DLC has been.

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>Gogeta... blue

>Broly... again

Stop pandering to zoomer normies who don't know any better. Where's Yaijarobe? Where's Goku's brother the weekend warrior? Where's Roshi? Where's Bulma in her capsule mech?

I'm tired of this copy-pasted zoomer shit. Blue hair isn't THAT cool especially when you run it into the ground as a tired gimmick.

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I’m hoping it’s Roshi, Radditz, Janemba or Dabura. (Ideally the roster would be perfect if we got these instead of 4 gokus, 3 vegetas, 2 gohans and 2 brolys)
If it’s someone from super then might as well make it Kalufla or GoD Toppo

Yeah and you're already getting more content than if you bought a new game.

just have roshi doing the kamehameha to the floor to do the dragon rush

done

I want to marry kale-chan!

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The only silver lining about Gogeta Blue is that he will be moddable on the PC version into REAL Gogeta.

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I think you mean fake gogeta, ss4 is trash and so is GT.

for that price ? nah

I prefer SSB since he has a bigger canon movepool. That said fake out BBK has a lot of potential for use in a mix up/ mind games based character and its a shame the games he in don't use it as much.

>superpeasants

>calling anyone else trash

GT had pacing issues but so did the Initial run of Z. It's art style and concepts are way better than the cringey fanfiction tier shit Super tries to pull. "Muh big tournament" is not a story.

I fucking CHALLENGE you to find something in GT that looks as bad as this.

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Yes for that price. You already have 14 additional characters which is more than new games would usually add unless they're lazy reskin jobs like Tenkaichi.

Yes. Fighting games became trash the moment this dlc bs started

I’m pretty disappointed Super Gogeta went with a super kamehameha instead of a big bang kamehameha. It didn’t even to be a x10 or a x100 like in GT. I just think it would’ve been cool and appropriate since vegito get’s final kamehameha, gogeta should’ve done big bang kamehameha

>I fucking CHALLENGE you to find something in GT that looks as bad as this.
Easy.
Doesn't even have the single frame excuse Super has either. GT has next to no real animation.

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if you think there lvl3 wouldn't be them fusing, your wrong.

Nah, I feel like it wouldn't have had that same impact if he did the big bang Kamehameha pose

Go ahead tell me I'm wrong

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>videl alt skin

no one else gets one? not even a "good" or "bad 21..

>gtspics still trying to force their shitty meme that GT is good
GT is what literally started all this fanfiction in the first place don't even try and pretend like it was good when it got canned after 60 something episodes with most of them being animated like shit. Let's not also forget that most arcs in GT were just rehashes of shit from Z and db.

>All of these Super and now GT characters
>still no rep for the original Dragon Ball
Its a good thing this game ended up being retarded unga bullshit or I'd be pissed at how terrible these DLC characters are

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basically just means

>fighterz2 for xbox 2, switch, ps5, pc.

You know the worst part. GTfags kept on going
>but it's fine because Goku has the pole!
But he barely uses it

Zoomers don't know anything before 2003 at the earliest

I thought the last move he used on broly was the big bang kamehameha? I know he doesn't call it that when hes charging but it's got the whole "beam coming out of a ball like base" thing

SSJ4 Gogeta has the whole beast mode, monkey king schtick going for him. The SSJ4 form basically brings the franchise full circle back to the Journey to the West inspirations of Dragon Ball. The fusion dance clothing and red color-scheme fit the mystical aesthetic perfectly. It's a good example of parallel motifs coming together and culminating into a central theme.

SSJ4 Gogeta is so powerful he's completely dissociated from the science fiction "rules" of the Dragon Ball universe and exists as a unique exception. A unique form for the most powerful, pure entity in the dragon ball universe.

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Yamchas your OG DB rep.

It's just a Kamehameha.
youtu.be/Nx8zxShtIoI

>kid goku's genkidama animation

I guess they were being faithful to GT and made it look like shit

They won't include Manga versions of characters in the Gacha games, you think they're going to do a manga exclusive character in a console one?

>A unique form for the most powerful, pure entity in the dragon ball universe.
And yet he now stands as the weakest fusion of Goku and Vegeta.

Do those U6 saiyan lesbos even have enough unique attacks to warrant a moveset?

Do people hate Videl?

After looking at it yeah your right. But the attack looks close enough with orb forming that when he does make it into the game it probably won't look out of place for SS4 ignoring the pose.

>Z is what literally started all this fanfiction in the first place

>SSJ4 Gogeta is so powerful he's completely dissociated from the science fiction "rules" of the Dragon Ball universe and exists as a unique exception
What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about? The only fusion that ever comes close to breaking "Sci-fi rules" is Broly movie Gogeta as his clash with Broly, BEFORE they assume their most powerful forms, distorted reality. SS4 Gogeta doesn't come close.

Who the hell wants Raditz? He's basically a background character. He didn't even do any unique or memorable moves.

>shit multiplier
>fur just magically turns red and user gets eyeliner out of nowhere with a mane that looks like something out of a shitty 80's hair metal band
>magically gets new clothing after powering down from great ape transformation
Super saiyan 4 is pants on head levels of retarded.

It's actually one of his best moves in the game though. It's the literal definition of safe pressure.

Yamcha has like 3 moves, and they made a character of him.

Only if they combine the three characters in one

That wasn't the point.

It will be hilarious when Caulifla is playable with Kale assist and their fusion is only a lv3 special.

The only thing that people found was a couple more lines for SS4 Goku and now these announcers

Who knows. Nobody knows when Broly and Gogeta will be released, which is leading to rumos that this season will last full year with individual releases

Who was the best final boss character in Dragon Ball?

>Demon King Piccolo Jr. vs Goku
>Vegeta, the Prince of all Saiyans
>Freeza
>Perfect Cell
>Majin Buu
>Jiren The Gray

Toriyama wrote plenty of endings during DB but he kept going with the story each time thus making them "fake" endings. That's why you get people arguing that DB actually was meant to end after the Frieza or Cell saga.

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Read the manga,
Don't blame Toei being garbage on Super.
The Super manga is the canon continuation of DBZ, since you love GT so much you'll be happy to know that the shitty anime most likely takes place in that timeline since its basically entirely different than the manga outside of the broad strokes.

DLC fighters for fighting games keep the games alive a lot longer. Tekken 7 received a pretty big high when season pass 2 characters arrived.

The original Demon King Piccolo vs Goku is the best arc and ending, everything beyond that is just kinda silly.

Do they showcase any unique fighting moves for Kalfla in the manga

Vegeta>Piccolo=>Frieza>Cell>(Black would go here)>Majin Buu>>>>>>>>Jiren

If we're talking character definitely Frieza because he's the first truly evil character that wasn't like that out of circumstance like Piccolo or Cell and wasn't a gag like Buu.
If we're talking fights then definitely Broly his power dwarves anything seen in DB bar Zeno.

All of the climactic battles are god-tier but I’m gonna say Frieza. It has too many good moments and was satisfying from start to finish.

>Roshi cant fly, so he cant be in

What flying? There is no flying, dragon rush and super dash are things characters did in the fucking DB tournaments, the only difference is that they have no auras. Characters even fought in the air while punching and kicking for a while without flying ffs.

He is still fun, despite missing some DB moves like janken, but his reverse kamehameha is there which is fun as hell. His victory screen is 10/10

It is considered as such in other popular DB media i.e. DBH and the promotional anime

No.
That arc of the manga was rushed to hell so no one really got anything new out of it.

Those retarded fucking eyes

Which also isn't an alternate universe or timeline.

lmao they botched the steam blog update

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ToP manga was utter shit, not even GoD Toppo appeared

>DB was actually meant to end after the frieza
arc
But it did though, everything after that was pure shit.

It can't be unless they stay fused for the rest of the match, which would turn the potential tag team moveset into something else. No other fighters moveset does that.

Close but

That would be called dlc

If you got characters stories levels and new things all in one that would be an expansion pack.

Buying a single character would be considered dlc

It must be saved on my other computer but someone did a edit of this guy with vegeta blue hair.

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>use that attack she used with grinding Goku
>potara breaks

That special will be only 1 time use like 16's bomb

Alternate outfits for characters when? They already did it with videl.

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Why would it break if it was Goku's attack that broke it?

>I wonder who the last dlc character could possibly be

Mario

And then Goku is in Smash as a receipt

>magically gets new clothing after powering down from great ape transformation
They can't run around naked, now can they? Also love how you ignore the fusion characters getting new clothes too.

>Also love how you ignore the fusion characters getting new clothes too.
Because it's literally fucking magic. They don't just grow new clothes out of their skin like SS4.

>Kale
Disgusting. Just put Kefla or Caulifla in. Kale is a overprotective timid butch lesbian with no redeeming qualities, and LSSJ doesn't fix her. Nobody would ever want for any reason other than her fusion.

>Magic
Oh, you have a source for that, I assume.

>They can't run around naked, now can they?
Then don't make a form that requires them to destroy their current clothes? That said you know everyone who transformed into a great ape that wasn't wearing the Saiyan armor destroyed their clothes right?

Blue is not a nickname. They were saying ssgss until goku bit his tongue saying it too many times and whis suggested they call it blue instead. It's not a nickname to the "official" name. It IS the name. Any merchandise faggotry can be explained away by human error. Like how cooler is coora or something in dokkan battle

The fact that they are fusing unnaturally?
That potara is literally godly magic?
Are you being retarded on purpose? How do you justify SS4 creating clothes when it's supposed to be a completely natural form?

>That said you know everyone who transformed into a great ape that wasn't wearing the Saiyan armor destroyed their clothes right?
They also couldn't fight anymore after that.

The Potara, sure. But not the fusion dance. It's the same as a using a Ki blast or powering up, unless Ki is now magic.

>Any merchandise faggotry can be explained away by human error
Human error by every single piece of DB media that has been made, checked and printed by many, many, different people.

>They also couldn't fight anymore after that.
Goku vs Roshi.
Second time it happened.
Continued fighting after Roshi blew up the moon.

Where did his clothes go.

Yes. It's not their fault they don't know any better. Unlike you. You know better

The fusion dance always makes the same style of clothing based on its creators style. Its in line with piccolos clothes beam.

>They can't run around naked, now can they?
Sure they can! All it takes is a little imagination

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>they don't know any better
So the people working directly with the subject matter know less than someone who isn't?

Okay, one example.
Now for adults, you can't have them walking around naked every other scene. Why are you so obsessed with people walking around naked? All the things to go on with GT and you pick something like that. Answer; they couldn't go around walking naked due to broadcast standards every second, even if they don't show their dicks. A throwaway scene, yeah but not a full episode.

The difference being Piccolo is part of Kami and Daimao, who made the Dragon Balls. The fusion dance is just a technique with no explicit mention of magic, or else only the species who developed it could only do it.

gotta catch up bud

I agree we should go back to the time where patches were entirely new games you had to purchase instead

Magic is clearly something learnable in DB, They've had a few side characters mess around with it. The dance is just a very simple type of it.

H A V E
S E X

>The difference being Piccolo is part of Kami and Daimao
And the fusion dance is metamoran alien magic.

>Introduce new female
>Roshi is nowhere to be seen
I just wanted to see how fast evil 21 would try to eat him and if the good one would actually let him molest her

boring? this is one the best dbz games we have had in a long time. be happy you sound toxic and negative af!

Duh. These people know jack shit about what they work with.

Right now you're defending dragonball evolution saying since they're the creators they know better than I do. No they don't. These are wage slaves doing work and not caring about the product. It's why sometimes broly has green hair and sometimes yellow. It's not different transformations. Toriyama doesn't consider green canon and only ever draws him blonde, but that doesn't stop people from making it green in a lot of the merchandise

>Answer; they couldn't go around walking naked due to broadcast standards every second, even if they don't show their dicks
Then don't give them a form that would require them to be naked?
They could have just as easily not turned Goku into a kid and just have it as a form that blasted off his shirt because they go topless all the time but no. Instead they have a form that gives them clothes for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

>Magic is clearly something learnable in DB,
And none of the techniques were magical unless specifically stated.
>They've had a few side characters mess around with it
But none of the main character -
I see what you did there, you little shit.
>The dance is just a very simple type of it.
So Ki is magic. got it.

See above.

>See above
What am I supposed to be seeing?
You haven't given an argument against it beyond "no it isn't".

>So Ki is magic
Ki is any kind of energy. It can power both techniques likes the Kamehameha and magic like the fusion dance and clothes beam.

And you have not posted a source on the fusion dance being magical, other than "Well its kinda like magic".

>Ki is any kind of energy
Yes. Energy, not magic. Energy. Life force. Videl couldn't have learned how to fly otherwise. Babidi was stated to have low energy but high magic. You get it now, even in your own post if you reread it. Glad we cleared that up.

>And you have not posted a source on the fusion dance being magical, other than "Well its kinda like magic".

Alright you faggot,

Piccolo's Clothes beam is Ki, prove me wrong.

lol wat

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>Babidi was stated to have low energy but high magic
Okay? How does that change anything?
His Ki is still being used to cast magic.

Are you retarded?

t.

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Kid goku had his tail for a pretty decent time period.

>power pole

Already did here Namekians have explicitly been shown using magic, Piccolo being a part of Kami, a Dragon-type Namekian who could make the magical Dragon Balls.

Try again next time.

You said Ki was any type of energy, not any type of energy or magic. Magic is different from Ki. Ki is a like a pulse, a signal. While it can be said that magic can be exhausted like Ki, not once has that been shown. Again, if you're going to attack GT, don't attack it for trivial reasons like fucking clothing. That shows you don't have an argument from the start.

Are you?

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>Magic is different from Ki. Ki is a like a pulse, a signal.
Yeah no.
Unless of course you have a non wiki source for that claim.

>kid
You GTfags are retarded. Plus he doesn't even fight with it he just waves it and jumps on nimbus.

But they never said Clothes beam is magic. Or is everything piccolo does magic, is SBC Magic then?

Everyone has Ki, but only a few people have been shown to use magic. Even the strongest fighters only use their Ki and few have used magic. Source, the fucking series the game pulls from, unless Ki is now magic.

But only few people have used that technique (Piccolo, Kaio, Whis), all who have otherworldly powers beyond mortal abilities.

>That shows you don't have an argument from the start
Dude you went off on a tangent about magic because you didn't have an argument for SS4's clothes. You're not in any place to say this.

>But only few people have used that technique (Piccolo, Kaio, Whis), all who have otherworldly powers beyond mortal abilities.
And everyone whos ever done the fusion dance.

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just like bulma is a playable character right?

So Saiyans and the fusion dance are magical? You have a source for this, of course.

>but only a few people have been shown to use magic
Yes in the same way that a few people have been shown to use various other techniques like the destructo disc. How does that change anything

>Source, the fucking series the game pulls from
The post the page. If don't have it then you have no argument.

I'll take that as you accepting you're wrong.

Saiyans? No. In fact to race is inherently magical outside of probably majins.
Fusion? Yes because magic is learned.

As soon as you give me that source that the clothes beam is magical.

So Ki manipulation is magic. You have a source for this, I assume. If that's the case, Videl is using magic to fly, as is every other human who can in Dragon Ball.
>No argument
Oh, you.

>In fact to race is inherently magical outside of probably majins.
I assume that was a no, and as I stated, Namekians have magical abilities if you payed attention.
>Magic is learned
>Still doesn't post a source on this claim
I wish I could go on, but I have a life to live. Have a nice Piccolo Day.

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fuck me this a fantastic fucking trailer
youtube.com/watch?v=LkSPgzgvprw

say whatever you want about GT but it DID have the best song in dragon ball history.

>Namekians have magical abilities if you payed attention.
Having a higher affinity for it doesn't mean they're inherently magical. They still need to learn it.

>but I have a life to live
Sure you do buddy. That's what you always say when you have no proof but hey I'll take it.

Happy Piccolo Day you pic related

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they meant SSJGSSJ

>but it DID have the best song in dragon ball history.
Unmei no hi and Hero Kibou no Uta aren't GT songs.

>not even mentioning Hikari no Willpower when trying to counter argue me
shit taste to the max user

>he's the first truly evil character that wasn't like that out of circumstance like Piccolo
Nigga Demon King Piccolo was evil because he was evil,

Oh hey, I was the dude that did that, glad someone else liked it

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Somebody edit the Bowser 'Gimme Equality' pic to say 'Gimme Raditz'

>Raditz
i ratter have one of the saibaman playable, atleast they managed to kill someone

>Not wanting to complete the Saiyan Saga Trio

what are you fucking gay?

> Saiyan Saga Trio
Vegeta, Nappa ANd a saibaman

perfection

When are we just getting a nice Dragonball fighting game that isn't obnoxious unga tag fighter shit where everyone just fights with beams and energy balls?

The Z era and beyond has such a lame aesthetic compared to the original Dragonball. I just want a nice Street Fighter style game based on the budokai tenkaichi or something where everyone fights with unique martial arts styles and maybe one or two signature techniques instead of everyone just teleporting/flying around and shooting giant beams and shit.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills or something, it seems so obvious to me to make a game like this but everyone chimps out about more boring Z/Super/GT shit

>Kale and Caulifla
Lame, shoulda been Kefla

He was evil because he was literally the evil portion of Kami that was cast off. That's evil by circumstance.

Go check Hyper DBZ

user dont remind me

the biggest sin of the tournament of power arc was to take flight away instead of equalizing everybody power llevel so actual martial arts meant something again

that would COMPLETLY explain why roshi was there beating people like jiren

>Kelfa
>When her most memorable moment could literally be condensed into a level 3

Alright, here's a fun game we'll play, you get that game, but the characters in the game are only the first 30 characters that appear when you hit random on the DB Wiki.

Shit, I'll do that right now.

>instead of equalizing everybody power llevel so actual martial arts meant something again
That would defeat the purpose of finding out who's stronger.

>>Caulifla and Kale

Can't think of any more disappointing reveal than a couple more generic Saiyans.

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Jiren's whole gimmick was that his power. Take that away, and he has nothing to him, even Krillin might beat the anime version of him (I only read DBS the manga, but I'm pretty sure they don't say Jiren has a mentor in his anime adaption.)

>start doing this
>Van Zant (guy that shot satan
>Monika Antonelli (voice actor) for side characters
Kek, looking good so far

it would find who is the strongest EVEN whitout his power ups
true strenght that lies within or some bullshit

they do and he acts like a vilan for no reason in the anime

atleast he keeps being a hero in the manga

Base Goku and Vegeta got revealed a while ago.

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I think Cabba or Toppo would be even more than those 2

Did people unironically want kid GT Goku? I can understand SSJ4 which is fine but who the fuck wanted GT Goku

You missed the whole point of the ToP. It was to decide which universe with low mortal levels got to stick around.

Nobody wanted GT Kid Goku. It's base Goku/Vegeta all over again

>If we're talking fights then definitely Broly his power dwarves anything seen in DB bar Zeno.
Except for, you know, Whis, Gogeta, Jiren, MUI Goku, the other angels...

I wanted Dragonball kid Goku, so this is like a huge slap in the face with salt in the wound

Source on that datamine

Toppo would be a great pick, big body semi-grappler and if they want to go the extra mile, Dark Phoenix install mode for GoD Toppo

my point is that is boring

i wanted ANYTHING GT related BUT gt goku

fuck give me pan, we already got videl anyway

>Jiren
Not really sure about that one.

>Rosterfag doesn't care about gameplay
Shocker

Broly was stated to maybe be as strong as Beerus.
Jiren was stated to be stronger than any GoD and that was before he even got a massive powerup to compete with MUI Goku.

>Cabba
>Paopao (Boss Character from Attack of the Saiyans)
>Rubalt
>South Kai
>Hoi
>Mr. Musuka
>Kefla
>Ginyu
>Pilaf
>Caroni
>Korinto
>Kikono
>Yamcha
>Bulla
>Fanfan
>Kid Buu
>Bulpan
>Puar
>Celluza
>Super Buu
>Mr. Lao
>Recoome
>Torga
>Majin Buu
>Monaka
>Grand Supreme Kai
>Towane
>Rasin
>Goku Black
>Jiren

Might fuck around and make a fake tier list, what do you think Yea Forums

No one wanted anything from GT because they knew it would lack the reference material to make it look good

Better choices than more generic Supershit Pedro-catering Saiyanwank:

>Master Roshi
>Mr. Satan
>Dabura
>Janemba
>Omega Shenron
>Goz and Mez
>Demon King Piccolo
>Super Buu
>Oozaru
>Pui Pui

>game is fan service
>conversation is about fanservice
>b-but the gameplay....
Go back to mvc if you only care about inputs, faggot.

>he wants a 3rd fucking buu

dude if you want fanservice go play gachashit dokkan or legends, this is a fightan game, fun and viablity comes first then fanservice and all that other shit.

This is literally babby's first fightan with every character playing the exact same. Fuck off, retard.

>this is a fightan game
Yeah a fighting game designed for FANS of the series. Not retards who think everything in a fighter is just an input.

>All fans of dragon ball doesn't want an more in depth fighting game

Yeah fuck off, you guys got B3 and Burst limit, play that if you want the more tekeny style. This type of game has been long overdue.

I 90% agree with the first part (Tag games can be a little overwhelming for new players in general) and 70% with the latter (tell me that ginyu or broly isn't unique) And yet its still leagues above the other DB fighting games in those categories.

>It's actually one of his best moves in the game though.
Yeah, and it could have been one of the real Kid Goku's best moves too along with the Janken Fist, Bending Kamehameha, Eight arm fist, Crazy Fist, Tornado and Penetrate.
Instead they went with GT Goku.

>>All fans of dragon ball doesn't want an more in depth fighting game
No you moron. DB fans first and foremost want to play as their favourite characters in a fighter. In addition they wanted to see represented properly which is why we had people analyzing the animations and pairing it up with scenes and panels from the anime and manga.

never mind it won't let me make the tier list template can I get an F in chat?

more like jiren the gay

heh

>DB fans first and foremost want to play as their favourite characters in a fighter.

Which is why we have xenoverse, BT3, and hell I guess the Gacha games since they have a fuck huge roster.

Granted I would of been happy if they stopped at SSB Goku, but what I want from fighterz is a DB game that actually plays like a respectable fighting game I can bother putting time into to "git gud" at.

In my eyes GT kid goku gets rid of the possibility that we could of gotten BOTH kid goku AND gt separately. And fuck having even more gokus. I'm already dreading season 3 having the possibility of UI goku.

>adding anything from Super, ever.
Hit and Jiren I understand, but the rest?

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>not wanting Katopesla that works like Complete Change Ryu from MvC1

>the year of our lord 2019 (two thousand and nineteen)
>people still argue in favor of GT
It's all so tiresome

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>Which is why we have xenoverse, BT3, and hell I guess the Gacha games since they have a fuck huge roster.
>in a fighter
Are you being retarded on purpose?
None of those games are fighters.

>but what I want from fighterz is a DB game that actually plays like a respectable fighting game
It was never going to be that from the start so I don't know why you expected that. It was always going to be a fanservice game.

>In my eyes GT kid goku gets rid of the possibility that we could of gotten BOTH kid goku AND gt separately.
We shouldn't have gotten GT Kid Goku in the first place. GTfags wanted SS4 Goku or even Gogeta and everyone else wanted the real Kid Goku so basically it just disappointed everyone by giving us a half assed character.

It's the "if I keep saying it then eventually everyone will believe it" phenomenon. They think if they keep arguing that GT was good then eventually it will become the general consensus. Even though GT was such trash.

It's strange isn't it.
You'd think that Super, as bad as most of it was, still being better than GT would have shown them how bad GT actually was but they still apparently love it. That goes to show how deep nostalgia can go.

i dont get it. is gogeta and broly coming as dlc or are they already in the game?

They're coming.

Kid Goku doesn't even look good. He actually looks like he's going to dethrone Vegeta Blue as worst character in the game. All the videos I've seen of people who have spent a lot of time with him looks like his damage is terrible and he has no really mixup gimmicks. Not only is he a character nobody wanted, but he's also trash. But I guess that just means we won't see him much. So I guess that's a silver lining.

>BT3, Xenoverse
>Not fighting games
Not respectable fighting games for sure, but don't know what else you could possible call them without taking huge liberties like anti smash fags tend to do.

>It was never going to be that from the start so I don't know why you expected that. It was always going to be a fanservice game.

Nigger the games gotten a year at evo.Its well beyond a fanserve roster dump at this point.

>We shouldn't have gotten GT Kid Goku in the first place. GTfags wanted SS4 Goku or even Gogeta and everyone else wanted the real Kid Goku so basically it just disappointed everyone by giving us a half assed character.

Good, Fuck em.
Also once again fuck more gokus.

so there is only one more we dont know? and another broly what the fuck

Nice headcanon.
All of them are weaker than CHADly.

Missed opportunity to have a simplified Saiyan God (Red) and Super Saiyan God (Blue).

They probably were hitting themselves in the head when coming up with SSGSS since they already used SSG.

I just call it supercyan.

Broly has been confirmed by toryama to be way stronger than Jiren. UI is garbage so fuck that. The others are the literal rulers of the universe.

>Not respectable fighting games for sure
They aren't fighting games period, it's more apt to call them third person action games than anything else.

>Nigger the games gotten a year at evo
And?
How does that change the fact that it's still a barebones fighter? Being at EVO doesn't mean a thing.

>Also once again fuck more gokus.
Yeah fuck Goku, lets just get the fanbase so mad and outraged that you have to act and make another Goku!
Retard.

>without taking huge liberties
Yeah fuck you
>Being at EVO doesn't mean a thing.
Name a DB fighter or " third person action games" that's gotten as much as half the competitive scene attention as this one.

Every major fighting game has DLC nowadays. Even fucking Nintendo does it.

It's probably going to be rage broly with a different moveset and gogeta hopefully won't just be vegetto with a different skin.

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It already is the worst season pass I can think of.

FighterZ has a problem where everyone is so fucking derivative of eachother than even entire different character archetypes feel similiar.

Not even just in appearance which is bad enough, in gameplay too. Game is garbage.

I really can't imagine them not putting UI Goku in the game - he's not even a dynamic finish with Jiren right?

>>without taking huge liberties
How huge is your definition that anything with a health bar and gauges can be considered a fighter?
Does that make Dark Souls a fighter for the same reason?

>Name a DB fighter or " third person action games" that's gotten as much as half the competitive scene attention as this one.
Why? It doesn't change anything. The game is still going to be a barebones fighter until the end of time.

>and gogeta hopefully won't just be vegetto with a different skin.
Why would it?
They're completely different characters with completely different skills.

>boy these sales figures look awful, let me fix your season pass for you.

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On what planet can popularity retroactively change what a game is designed for?

Well first I ask the people around me what its and just go with what 90% of them would call it. Then I check the wikipedia just to be sure.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Xenoverse_2

Get over it you spaz, everyone thats not some pretentious fuck and there mother would label it a fighting game, those savvy would call it an RPG fighter.
Why? It doesn't change anything. The game is still going to be a barebones fighter until the end of time.
>Its the "games bad because its bad hurdur" argument
Name another DB game where I can go to my local scene and play without niggers not laughing about us playing some "fake fighter"
You can shove your head down in a rock all you want and say it doesn't matter, but clearly a bunch of people don't agree with that.

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Earth
>He's never heard of DotA

>Well first I ask the people around me what its and just go with what 90% of them would call it. Then I check the wikipedia just to be sure.
So you have no real definition of what a fighting game is. Good to know.
But hey, you're going to jump through hoops to call it as such so there's no point in arguing with you on this point.

>Name another DB game where I can go to my local scene and play without niggers not laughing about us playing some "fake fighter"
Again, how is that going to change anything? No matter how many tourneys there are for it the game is still going to be a barebones fanservice game.

>can get two level 3s off of a single combo
Nah, fuck off.

youtube.com/watch?v=B_w0ogYeCdw It's gonna be baby vegeta isn't it

What about DotA?
That doesn't hold any relevance because the mod wasn't designed for casuals or fanservice to begin with.

Wouldn't be too far fetch if Caulifla and Kale are in. Producers wants female characters

I hope not because we'll run into the same no moves problems we had with GT Goku.
Plus his level 3 would be another fucking beam and power ball.

>no janemba
>no roshi
>ss4 apparently got scrapped
fuck fighterz and fuck bamco.

Why do these exist?
He doesn't even use the X10 Kamehameha.

a. leftover scraps of a install for ss4
b. skin for ss1 goku
c. possible dramatic finish, but honestly it doesn't fit that, it has fucking blocking sounds.

>no moves

How if that stopped them from adding Bardock or fucking Videl

If only.

Get mad.

>you have no real definition of what a fighting game
Tell you what, you can post whatever definition you a fighting game is (be sure to see how Wikipedia defines it and why I should agree with your definitions above its) and maybe I'll change my mind.

>Again, how is that going to change anything? No matter how many tourneys there are for it the game is still going to be a barebones fanservice game.

With that kinda debate logic I can just call mortal combat a "barebones goreservice game despite how serious people take"

Like I get having a subjective opinions and all but its a lot of something to just say "all these peoples opinions and likes for thing X is fake because the thing is only good for Y"

Yeah ok

Anyways I hope you have fun playing a "real" fighting game or whatever, if it's GG I get it bro I love that game too and its going to get its turn again at some point.

I'm already going to be at 5 hours of sleep tonight so peace.

Bardock and Videl have way more references they can use especially Bardock where they used the OVA where he goes into the past but for GT there's next to nothing because of the limited animation of GT. Plus Baby did most of his fighting in his Great Ape form.

>With that kinda debate logic I can just call mortal combat a "barebones goreservice game despite how serious people take"
Not him but you wouldn't be wrong. People can take casual games seriously and have tournaments and have tournaments and competitions for them.

>references
I mean, they just ended up being punches and kicks mostly. Seems pretty arbitrary of ArcSys.

I would prefer Raditz or Hercule because that is just the type of man I am, but Kefla makes sense as a choice. She's cooler than her fusion components.

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>tfw you were hoping for Werewolf Ultraman

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>, they just ended up being punches and kicks mostly
Yet they all came from some kind of reference in the anime or manga..

Anime Super is ten times better that Toyotaro's trash

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Janembros... we still have our chance r-right...

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Baby Vegeta would be an oddball pick, I like it. Even if he didn't do anything in GT and doesn't even look like Vegeta at all

>when he gave Roshi proto UI
>when he made Kale take out like five universes
>when he made Gohan take out Kefla confirming that fusion made them weaker
The entire ToP arc in the manga was a mess.

>he prefers dan dan kokoro over this
youtube.com/watch?v=WCa4LaDFqJU

Emperor Pilaf>Demon King Piccolo>Piccolo Jr>Tien>Tao Pai Pai>General Blue>>>>Frieza>Saiyans>Cell>Buu>>>>>AyyLmao

They should have dropped Jiren after 3 episodes and used U6 girls instead.
Prove me wrong

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Both are good Especially the english Dan Dan[/spoilers]

U6 girls were literally the most boring part of the ToP.

>Gohan taking out anyone
Why does everyone jerk off Gohan so much?
Compared to LITERALLY anyone else he deserves to win the least.
He trained what 4 years in total his whole life, and even that had gap years of over a decade in between.
Gohan is a little bitchboi that only did something when a robot he never met died in front of him

We'll get fuck rosterfag

It’s gonna be Ultra Instinct goku

>He trained what 4 years in total his whole life,
Less than that
There was a year before the Saiyans.
Then the two? before the androids.
A few months in the time chamber because they came out early
Then maybe another few months in Super?

>>GOOD MICROTRANSACTIONS
Fuck off shill, there is no such thing as good microtransactions.

Unironically this.

>I think goku is using the namekian version of flight since the only place for him to learn it would of been from kami.
Tien.

Piccolo is part of the warrior clan you cuck otherwise they wouldn't need Dende to make the dragon balls

You know that it isn't eyeliner but them eyelashes turning red right?

One, how is that any better
Two it's clearly not the eyelashes

I've been trying to set up a tod but i dont know if its possible to DHC into kid gokus spirt bomb h as anybody managed to do it or is it his dragon fist attack only

Piccolo is also the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimao, who is Kami's other half.

Yeah "eyelashes"

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You know, you should really think before you reply.

What did I say wrong? Why is it surprising that the other half of Kami can do stuff like a magic clothes beam and conjure up an hourglass?

>Piccolo is also the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimao, who is Kami's other half.
What's the relevance in that if he was reborn as a warrior? That just defeats the original argument that magic is innate for Namekians rather than learned.

Those stills are on model unlike super

You also forget Piccolo fused back with Kami.

You forget that he used magic prior to that.

he is a problematic character user

Girl saiyans

That's because it's not animated it's just a still image while in Super that one single frame barely lasts a second.

Making Piccolo's magic beam and hourglass justified.

that particular scene went on for more then one second with consistently bad animation/artwork.

Which is a point against the argument you're defending.

Theyre coming in December

user, the point was that its a single frame indicative of nothing because it's a very common thing to do in animation when characters are either in the distance or supposed to be fighting with some degree of speed.
You can find the same things in dragonball Z if you wanted to.

GT however is a special case because any bad artwork and animation lasted far too long.

Welcome to animation

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Z's peaks are still better than Super's

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O so asnother boring as shit character that's only there to pander to women and is ANOTHER Broly? Holy fuck sys, you guys are trash,.

Ok now you're moving the goal post and re framing the argument, the point of my reply was what looked better . And yes sometimes still frames will be a better substitute for consistently bad animation/artwork . I'd use berserk 1997 vs the current berserk as an example.

Gt had bad artwork and animation in spots but it was able to be more on model to z compared to super. Im not saying that gt didn't have some "quality" moments but they are less consistent then super.

Female Broly's that are not interesting in any way.

we already have two Broly's, we don't need a third. But judging by the character choices thus far, we'll get the female Broly.

>Healthy roster
LMFAO

>Gt had bad artwork and animation in spots
Spots?
GT barely had any animation whatsoever and the little that it had had no impact.

>but they are less consistent then super.
They aren't. The only reason you think that is because Super had more high points than GT while GT was consistently bad so that makes you think that GT was better.

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lol FighterZ is FAR FAR worse than the Tenkaichi series when it comes to everything you mentioned and more.

>SSB Gogeta
My dream character literally gets his worst fucking version.
I don't care about this game anymore, I hate Bamco.

Let me guess, you wanted SS4 Gogeta.

Roshi doesn't fight.

>spots?
That was bad sentence structure on my part , I was referring to the artwork .

>They aren't. The only reason you think that is because Super had more high points than GT while GT was consistently bad so that makes you think that GT was better.

In animation more then likely yes they are , but if were referring to on model dragonball z artwork design , gt looks more like a similar product than super.

kek, blue is the name Toei gave the thing for merch reasons, SSGSS is ththing Toriyama named it as to mock them for asking for another new transformation in Res F that was more like SS

bonus, when Toei decided to call it Blue, which is an even dumber name since it encapsulates the creative bankruptcy of it just being a SS recolor, Tori made Rose and had Goku Black mock the the color naming

it's like pottery

>blue is the name Toei gave the thing for merch reasons
It was called blue in the manga first

Nop, he looks cool but he act like Vegeto too (Still better than SSB, but less than normal Gogeta).
I want the coolest character from my childhood, SS Gogeta, the one with a finish move that is not another fucking kamehameha. I wanted to see his fucking intro against Janemba with the DBFz engine, and the gentle smile at the winning screen. F U C K THIS TIMELINE!

Aren't there voice lines for SS4 Goku that aren't used?
Couldn't he be the next character too?

>Broly's hair isn't green
fact, fucking brainded fanboys latching on to what was clear artistic license when it came to coloring in the first Broly movie will never not make me tilted

but I disagree with Tori not indending the green color, as far as nuBroly goes, him designing old Broly with normal SS hair was so long ago he probably forgot, I mean, him desining shit for the movies was basically a couple of days work then back to working on the manga, he clearly had enough shit to deal with on his own, why would he remember incidental part time fluff he never gave a shit about?

same with Vegeta's dad, I'm pretty sure he completely forgot that he never actually gave him a name and the King Vegeta name was Toei

Female Goku and Female Broly

>I was referring to the artwork
Then you're done arguing because one could cherrypick still images in Super in the same way you could for GT and say the artwork is good.
Hell I could post this and say that both are consistently good but that wouldn't be the truth.

>gt looks more like a similar product
Not really, it goes off model all the time and for more than just single frames.

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can't fly, that's literally all it is

ask for Tao instead, even though he's the character lelarcsys disqualified immediately for some reason

>inb4 Tao can't fly
is true that he was never depicted as flying but, the retcon of him being Crane School and Tenshinhan's senior means he can levitate, dodon ray is tier 2 move of the school and Tao can do it, flying is tier 1

She’s in

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It's going to be a villain, at least, as all dlcs characters came with a hero and a villain, so F for Roshi

>shitting on Raditz
fuck off TFSfag, Raditz is an og, especially if you started with vanilla DB, anyone who shits on him is broadcasting being an ignorant nufan

nevermind the fact he has 20x the moves Videl has, from melee attacks to unique blast attacks like Double Sunday, he's a solid pick

>him designing old Broly with normal SS hair was so long ago he probably forgot
He didn't even color it the originals so that was all up to Toei.

Kamin a cute!

Of course she is, she’s basically Baby + Android 18

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you mean the thing made after the fact by Toyota? you fucked up your timeline champ, Toyble only started adapting BoG in his manga after the Res F movie came out, by the time he got to having Blue in manga the Toei mandate to call it Blue was in effect, the anime staff started calling it that in episodes released around the same time as the first chapter calling it Blue came out

suffice to say, even though the anime was rushed as fuck with a tight schedule, they had to know about the name change, it wasn't Toyble's call(lel)

That looks off.

Toriyama did color Broly for the first movie

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>Then you're done arguing because one could cherrypick still images in Super in the same way you could for GT and say the artwork is good.
Hell I could post this and say that both are consistently good but that wouldn't be the truth.

Im not arguing if it looks good overall Im arguing whether or not it looks like its on model compared to z.
>Not really, it goes off model all the time and for more than just single frames.

Gt keeps the same body structure design for characters in z, the same saturated colors and angular faces why super uses a more simplified character models. The product objectively looks similar in terms of artwork.

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It’s shitty Mexican dragon ball porn of course it does

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I hope we get some on-model stuff soon.

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DBH has a lot of interesting ideas that I’m sad will never get attention in any other game or media outside of itself
I want shit like Kamin and Oren or the Demon Gods in Xenoverse

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forgot to add, it's not his colors here, but this is the edited version of his colors Toei ended up using

they did the same with Bojack, who was green in Toriyama's coloring

you could argue that Tori's unseen coloring of Broccoli could be vastly different, but I don't see reason for why it would be, they'd probably mention it like they did with Bojack

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>you mean the thing made after the fact by Toyota?
You do realise the manga was at one point an entire arc ahead of the anime right? On top of that it used to be a weekly serialization meaning it came out well before the first use of Blue as a term in the anime in the anime.

If you want dates then Chapter five, where they first used blue as a term, first came out October 21th, 2015
By that point the latest episode was 15, the Episode where Satan lied about the events of BoG.
It hadn't even reached the RoF arc by that point and it wasn't used in the anime until the Champa arc.

In other words it was either Tori or Toyble that came up with Blue after the fact. Also if Toei did it for marketing reasons then why haven't they been using it in their marketing?

He wasn't in original DB though? And while he has considerably more attacks than Videl, he was only around for 4 (?) episodes while Videl had a whole filler arc + remains somewhat relevant even in super.

>Gt keeps the same body structure design for characters in z, the same saturated colors and angular faces why super uses a more simplified character models
It really doesn't, not that you can really compare because everyone had their design changed but there are characters who didn't have it changed

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From what I heard, the reason merch still uses SSGSS is because of licensing and trademarks.

It end's with him spitting out an egg though. It wouldn't make sense for the story to end there. 23rd Tenkaiichi Budoukai makes sense as an ending though.

What was Vegeta by that logic?

>planet destroyed
>looking for revenge
>hears about dragonballs
>uses it to enact his plan for revenge
What do you think?

It will probably happen eventually, I'm fine with them just being in heroes.

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They should make some kind of pc Dragon Ball game that’s like DBH but a fighting game and they just keep adding characters so I can finally have a fighting game where I can play as literally ANY dragon ball character like Budokai Tenkaichi 3 up to 11

vegeta is the only character I can think that is legitimately off in gt , as his chin is more squared than pointy. what you're doing is cherry picking one particular key frame animator compared another which even still is close one model with the character looked like in z.

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Truly evil?
I mean, he could've just asked for the dragon balls. Or teamed up with Goku to kill Freeza. And he killed Nappa for basically no reason.

SATURDAY CRUSH

Can someone hit a brother up with those stick comics

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I want the Nappa/Vegeta/Raditz team

pop quiz, are you retarded? DB the anime was followed by DBZ the anime immediately the next week, and there's no arbitrary Z linebreak in the manga, eg when someone watches/reads DB, they immediately go into Z without stopping, so you get Raditz showing up, being a beast and getting Goku killed via sacrifce while setting the stage for the rest of the arc

so yes, he'd be iconic for people watching base DB especially, since they kept watching when it switched into Z the next week, pretending DB and Z are 2 hugely separated things are 2000-10s era nufan faggotry

and lol, 'Videl is around for longer', by that retarded logic Oolong should be picked over Android 16

Raditz has 1 memorable big fight with great siginificance, has a bevy of moves that are unique to him and a cool look, he's no worse of a pick than Nappa or the Ginyu squad

That's pretty much what heroes is minus the fighting mechanics and you can expect spics to soon start porting the models over to bt3.

>what you're doing is cherry picking one particular key frame
The irony is that's what you've done with Super but with inbetween frames that always lack details because it's not necessary.
That said everything to do with GT was inconsistent with both Z and itself.

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This honestly. Last thing FighterZ needs is another saiyan with big laser beam as level 3.

Well I want to actually fight as those characters not just some quick time event shit

>if Toei did it for marketing reasons then why haven't they been using it in their marketing?

because Blue is Toei's faggotry, while sticking to SSGSS is Shueisha faggotry, naming depends on whose purview the product falls under more

games deal with Shueisha, it's why Dokkan and FighterZ and other shit uses SSGSS, incidental marketing depends again, on who it directly relates to first

The super manga is an adaptation of the anime

Anime is canon

That's why I said they'll probably get ported over to bt3 by spic modders.

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>even still is close one model with the character looked like in z
Except neither are consistent with Z. Both of them are far too angular than they were in Z

>because Blue is Toei's faggotry
And yet Toei hasn't used it in their marketing making your point moot.

Roshincels btfo?

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>bt3
More like Budokai 3 or Infinite World.

I'll do you one better, the napkin that has Toriyama's plotpoints for the arcs is the only truly canon super

anything else is a shitty adaptation

also, Toriyama is more directly involved with the manga, so it's more legit on that level, but the manga is also beholden to include shit invented by the anime staff ala saiyan girls

tl;dr super is a questionably canon mess in the currently consumable forms

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The important thing is that no one takes the anime too seriously.
We just need to collectively agree that its part of the GT timeline and the manga is the main timeline

>but the manga is also beholden to include shit invented by the anime staff ala saiyan girls
Who were made by Tori basically anything that's the same between the both were a part of the original outline written by Tori.

>The important thing is that no one takes the anime too seriously.
>We just need to collectively agree that its part of the GT timeline
You do apparently.

>The irony is that's what you've done with Super but with inbetween frames that always lack details because it's not necessary.

I haven't done that at all, If you think I have then you probably think you've been talking to the same user throughout the entire quote line. I've been consistently about being on model . It's demonstrable fact that gt character designs and colors are more similar to z then super is. It's not me picking one frame it's about the toeis overall character design choice for dragonball super.

Super designs are simplified and their color usage is noticeably brighter.

I believe you're moving the goalpost here , as I said it's closer on model than super is.

I though Toriyama wasn't really involved with either.
I remember Toyble and Tori being in an interview together and Toybe asking Tori how to improve.
Not something you would asked if you worked together

>Toriyama made them
kek

bonus points: anime staff knew the Broly movie was a thing when they made Kale, like wtf

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Toriyama was overseeing him during ToP in the manga, that much I remember for sure, he even corrected Toyo's frames a bunch of times

>SF4
>TTT2
>MvC3
All of those games are dead (and they had additional fighters added later). What are you talking about?

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Toei also knows that autistic otaku will spend their entire salary on waifu merch, this is why the thot saiyans get way, way, way too much screentime even though they're horrible

>anime staff knew the Broly movie was a thing when they made Kale
Makes sense, make something similar to the old popular thing, new thing draws attention to both itself and the old thing,rerere-lease the old thing

>f you think I have then you probably think you've been talking to the same user throughout the entire quote line.
Regardless of if you are or not your argument is tied to the original inbetween frame post and that's what you're using as your example of being on model.

> It's not me picking one frame it's about the toeis overall character design choice for dragonball super.
That's exactly what you're doing. You're using one single frame in a single fast moving scene as a basis for your argument. It's not like you haven't posted anything else after all.

>Super designs are simplified and their color usage is noticeably brighter.
That's because you're looking at inbetween frames you idiot.

youtu.be/vdLgh-RzT9o?t=200
>kid goku and janemba skins
what
(3:20 if the link doesnt work)

youtube.com/watch?v=vdLgh-RzT9o&feature=youtu.be&t=199
>3:20
Roshifags btfo

It's definitely a reference for Baby Vegeta

confirmed for Janemba

>I believe you're moving the goalpost here
Don't use terms you don't understand, we're both talking about things being on model here. You're just adamant about being right when you clearly aren't.
>as I said it's closer on model than super is.
It's not, just so you know outside of the Super Movie this was the only appearance of Cell in the anime and as you can see he's clearly not as angular as the depiction in GT and resembles his original incarnation in Z.
And before you go on about the colors that's because of the environment they're in.

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>DB the anime was followed by DBZ the anime immediately the next week
Wrong, DBZ started airing before DB was finished
>and there's no arbitrary Z linebreak in the manga
By this logic every z character is an 'og'
>so yes, he'd be iconic for people watching base DB
And look, now you're saying watching, but we've already established that that doesn't make sense.
>that retarded logic Oolong should be picked over Android 16
Not a fair comparison, Oolong couldn't realistically be a fighter, he has no fighting potential, and he is irrelevant outside of the first arc of DB. Besides, it's about relevance + memorability, Android 16 has little relevance, but is memorable, meanwhile Raditz is niether.
>Raditz has 1 memorable big fight with great siginificance, has a bevy of moves that are unique to him and a cool look, he's no worse of a pick than Nappa or the Ginyu squad
Raditz has one small fight and most people don't find the character memorable, has no unique moves other than double sunday, and even that's a stretch. Nappa still had a far more memorable role in the story, while Ginyu squad was extremely memorable, with some really cool story moments.
Also, nice reddit spacing nigger faggot

>asshurt because no points
>u reddit
seethe

>>DB the anime was followed by DBZ the anime immediately the next week
>Wrong, DBZ started airing before DB was finished
I'm willing to bet that he meant to put manga rather than anime. That said there was a timeskip of about four or so years so that separation definitely exists.

I take that back, I actually read his post and it's clear he's retarded.

Can we finally agree that kale is the worst thing to come out of super? Not even Brolyfags like her.

>when he gave Roshi proto UI
I liked that. That and God Ki should have been used to make the playing field more even for other characters. Make UI and God KI something ANYONE can access with enough work.

For the last time im not talking about frames , you can keep repeating this if you want to but were gonna be at unmovable impass, I'll try to give you a a visual example . For example look kid vegeta's character design in dragonball super brolly, I'll tell you ahead of time im not talking his bangs but notice that he does not posses his stocky body design that he had in z and he has more of rounded face. This is the design direction they are intentionally going in.

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old broly fags don't matter
Nu broly and Kale are based

youtube.com/watch?v=vdLgh-RzT9o&feature=youtu.be&t=199

Nah, the problem was her execution.
If she was introduced in an arc centered around her like a Sadala arc they could have had more time to flesh her out and give her a sort of Hulk dynamic and even make her the villain of the series with it culminating in her controlling her abilities.

But they weren't.

Caulifla is worse because she has every bad trait of the Saiyans rolled into one character.

>DB 153 air date 1989 Apr 19
>DBZ 001 air date 1989 Apr 26
how are the both of you so retarded

Its not a microtransaction though, it's a full on transaction. You get an entirely new character. Have you seen that skullgirls video on how much it costs to make a new character in a fighting game?

We in bois

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That would be Jiren.

Delusional to think that old brolyfags don't matter and that there is no overlap between old brolyfags and nu-broly.

No you just have shit taste, kale is best girl.

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>JANEMBA SURGE

wut

If it is Janemba then I suppose Kale and Caulifla are announcers because Janemba is not much of a conversationalist.

>that he does not posses his stocky body design that he had in z
No shit, Kid Vegeta doesn't appear in Z outside of the Father of Goku OVA and possibly some filler scenes making it a Toei only design meaning there's no comparison to make.
At least try.

>implying there is not also a ton of nostalfags complaining about the new broly being a good boi

You're intentionally trying to restructure my argument into something I didn't make you're either strawmaning or moving the goalpost.

I said it was closer on model , not that was consistent with z.

>GT Goku recognizes Broly but acts like he's just meeting Cooler for the first time
What the fuck

>you're either strawmaning or moving the goalpost.
Like I said, don't use terms you don't understand because neither are applicable.

>I said it was closer on model
Yes.
To Z as shown here >which even still is close one model with the character looked like in z.
Which also used the manga as a reference mind you.
Are you really trying to accuse me of moving the goalposts when you're denying you said this outright?

Also saying it's consistent is the same as saying it was closer you illiterate monkey.

>It's Janemba
AYYYYYY

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Funny cause Cooler is canon to GT

kale is a tranny ew
caulifla is cool tomboy fuckhole

You kept going on about key frames over and over ,and what I what I wanted to show you was a design , the comparison is the character designs from z to super and it's not about just cherry picking a few frames.

You know the best part?
Cooler is canon to GT while Broly apparently isn't.

Why is anything GT one colossal fuck up?

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Last reminder that waifufags do not belong in dragonball, fuck those thots from heroee, fuck caulifla, kale, kelfa, 21 and ribranne

women just get in the way in this franchise

>tilted at flying Metalitron

Fuck off, literal faggot.

I like both but it's pretty obvious that it's mostly just people who hate him trying to keep the hate band wagon going by saying the old one is better despite shitting on him before the movie came out cause he was the embodiment of everything wrong with Z.