Checkmate weebs

No, yoko taro and hideo kojima are both attempting to express their particular political views (which are of course tightly bound to their views of the human condition).

Thinking about it, the distinction is probably that Nip devs have a particular political ideology they want you to understand, while bad Western devs merely have certain opinions on political topics they want you to agree with. E.g. Taro is a nihilist who writes nihilistic games while AssCreed wants you to know that ancient Greece was patriarchal and we shouldn't be that way nowadays.

>furnigger twitter thread

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This isnt news retard. Anyone thats watched a Ghibli movie knows that creative Japan = mostly leftists.

But again, who the fuck cares? At least they are subtle about it.

Neither Taro or Kojima has ever told you how to think or feel with their politics. You are presented with political concepts and the player is to determine what they're opinion is. American devs don't even present a concept half the time, they exclusively tell you how you should think and feel.

>Rules for thee but not for me
Always funny to see how it bites them in the ass.

Yeah, I never understood this argument when a lot of Japanese media that's popular with Yea Forums is full of social commentary and political discourse. Shit look at persona 5, it's more heavy handed than a lot of western stuff.
My theory is that since most eastern games focus on the political climate of Japan, its less relatable and goes unnoticed.

that's not what the original tweet is saying though

>politics in Japanese games
What is the nature of humanity? Is free will an illusion? Is freedom worth sacrificing security for?
>"politics" in modern western games
DAE love diversity? FUCK DRUMPF AND FUCK WYPIPO

Stop posting twitter screencaps.

They’re not forced politics unlike in western games, they also don’t call you a racist nazi piece of shit that should kill oneself if you don’t want to suck tranny dick

For the trillionth time, it's not being political that's the problem. No one in their right mind hates politics in fiction. It's using video games as a soap box to push a currently topical political agenda that people have a problem with.

Two opposing factions struggling to subvert each other for power within the narrative of a game is not the same as characters in the game giving the player verbal diatribes about trannies and white privilege.

My fucking sides.

OH NO OH NO OH NO NO NO NOOOOOOOO FURGINS BTFO

A game being political is fine by me but keep identity politics the fuck away from games.

bioshock is political and fine
deus ex is political and fine
vtmb is political and fine
etc etc

But now the new wave of """"""""""politics""""""""""" is all about muh gender, muh race, muh white man.

being inspired by "political" events is not the same as pushing YOUR political agenda/narrative in existing games

>What is the nature of humanity? Is free will an illusion? Is freedom worth sacrificing security for?

That's not politics. That's philosophy.

Idpol =/= politics

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>call you a racist nazi piece of shit that should kill oneself if you don’t want to suck tranny dick
name 3 (three) kinoges that do this

It always brings a smile to my face to see furfaggots get gassed

I hate to burst your bubble, but "she" still ended up getting the job after saying "she" was sorry later on.

he cucked and its infiltrating NASAs higher ranks as we speak

even a dog knows not to bite the hand that feeds it.

meh, I'll take any excuse to shitpost

literally fucking who

I disagree heavily. Persona 5's commentary was very forced in its criticisms on populism, consumerism and complacency. Westerners just have tunnel vision on identity politics 24/7, left and right included. Just because you don't care doesn't make it any less forced.

I miss the time when being a weaboo was looked down upon and not encouraged
>HERF DERF WEST BAD JAPAN GUD
>BASED JAPAN FUCK I HATE BEING WHITE I WISH I WAS JAPANESE AND LIVED IN THE SOCIETY WITH NO SJW KEKS AND MEAN BLACK KIDS

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911 is politics

Remember how Kojima fired an employee after he found out he was right wing? Or when Famitsu refused to review Nier because there weren't enough poc in the game?

>I miss the time when being a weaboo was looked down upon and not encouraged

It still is. Also it's been at least eight years since I saw anyone seriously do the whole "JAPAN IS THE PROMISED LAND I WISH I WAS JAPANESE" thing.

She didn't. Hickam tried to get her another internship and offered it to her, but that fell through the waters when she became unruly again on her first day.

At least it doesn’t tell you that white people should bow down before tranny dick before preparing to get killed off to create an multiculti utopia

lol you made me remember that screenshot of the Gaia Online post where some jewish weeb claimed he found out jews were descended from Japan and therefore he was Japanese.

Oh boy, I thought all the «mgs is genius» kids grew up long ago

The Japs use politics as a theme for the narrative and shape the game around it

Westerners use politics to dictate what can and can't be put in the game or discussed to begin with.

Just a generalization of course, but this is the crux of why one is seen as bad and the other is not

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>At least it doesn’t tell you that white people should bow down before tranny dick before preparing to get killed off to create an multiculti utopia

What game did that?

What games are you even talking about?
Don't post literal who Twitter screencaps, I'm talking about the actual fucking games.

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I hope this is true and not just fanfiction. They need to include this moment in the extended version of October sky

>furries shitting on weebs in a desperate attempt to convince everyone they aren't the designated internet punching bag anymore
Sorry, not going to happen. You're still on the bottom.

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holy fucking kek

Is everyone just not reading the "endless whining" part?
If you have to be told by some literally who furry degenerate that Taro mentioned 9/11 you can be pretty assured that they aren't endlessly whining about it.

It's not that people don't want politics in games. People don't want hamfisted american california politics shitting up games. Kojima and Yoko Taro don't spend their games berating the player about how they need to accept immigrants into their home and donate their entire paycheck to the national dilation committee.

I hope you know this stuff is a smokescreen to keep you from ignoring the issues that are causing damage to you're quality of life

>Can't follow a reply chain
Actually reddit

Japanese games
>a subtle political theme that allows for you to draw your own conclusions
Western ”games”
>FUCK WHITE PEOPLE FUCK WHITE PEOPLE FUCK WHITE PEOPLE

Deus ex came one year before Sons of liberty.

I quoted everyone that brought up western games while not actually listing any games.

Name three (3) examples of these games

Nope.

I get politics in games. That shit has been around forever.
I don't get Social politics in games. One is Preaching war is bad.
The other is preaching a opinion.
And 95% of the time Western games tend you sit you down and hammer it into your head as both the background radiation of the game and in the forefront of the entire game.
Japanese games tend to have it as only background radiation while entertaining your with other shit. Most people get the idea during the game without 40 different things hammering it into you over the course of 6 hours.

I never said anything about western games. I disagree with the consensus

Isn't Emil and Kainé pretty interlaced with identity politcs, though?

Either way, I'd rather have those than LiS 1 / 2, though I think those are Canadians.

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Wolfenstein
The Witcher 3
Mortal Kombat 11

The east needs to learn with the west.

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>whining
That's the key word.

The difference is that Kojima and Taro tend to use politics only as a basis for the motivations and scenarios respective to their characters, whereas Western games take the political stance first and character/story-building later.

Admittedly, Kojima has been slipping closer to that hamfisted Western developmental mindset albeit a bit tone deaf, which is why I'm not as fond of his later games.

>Kojima and Taro tend to use politics only as a basis for the motivations and scenarios respective to their characters, whereas Western games take the political stance first and character/story-building later

What does that even mean? Be specific/detailed.

>The east needs to ignore the west.
Fixed

>the issues that are causing damage to you're quality of life

What issues would those be?

But none of them feature "fuck white people" message
Start over

Taro might make allusions to an event in universe 9/11 having happened for put a similar catastrophic event in his game to portray a personal feeling like dread or sadness into the players head. Whereas Bioware will make a shot for shot remake of 9/11 and have Ashley turn to the camera and say we deserve it for living the way we do, also gas krogans race war now!

>Listening to an actual tranny

Wolfenstein for sure does. New order and Old Blood where good, but 2 was hamfisted retardation who treated the Nazis like something more than cannon fodder.

>The Witcher 3
>A game with literally nothing but white characters to the point that journos complained about it
>"Fuck white people"

Are you retarded?

One uses politics to tell a story. The other uses their politics to tell a story.

In the case of Taro, he usually outlines that the characters aren't necessarily meant to be rooted by the audience. You're meant to sympathize with them sure, but when the story goes further, it paints a bigger perspective where you actually see how the characters fall into place within the world he creates. At that point, you're kind of free to decide on how you view the characters yourself (good, evil, justified or not in their actions) since it presents a different angle that purposefully challenges their viewpoint/position in the story. The only time where this isn't the case is Automata where you're still supposed to greatly sympathize with the android protagonists but even then, the parts where the story challenges the viewpoint of the characters is still prevalent in the back half of the game.

Fuck nazis =/= Fuck white people

I forgot to mention that the political aspects are specifically how the characters are shown as not infallible in their viewpoints wherein the story even questions their beliefs and stances a lot of the time.

Taro stated that when making Drakengard, his thought was "People who can kill hundreds of people (like a video game character) would have to be insane", which is why every character is insane, but after the events of 9/11 changed his mind a bit to "All someone really needs to be able to kill a whole bunch of people is believe they are right", which translated over to NieR, where the big twist is that you're doing a bunch of horrible stuff out of ignorance.

Emil is gay
Kaine is a herm
And Nier(brother version) canonically sold his body to a man for money to help pay for yonah
The whole cast is full of misfits but it's not like its banged over your head, the characters are just who they are.

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>listening to anything a furfag avatar has to say

I thought it was because they were subtle about it. Was it really obvious Emil was supposed to be gay for the protagonist? I remember not realizing it until I started going to Nier threads.

Nazis are used as a lefty dogwhistle for white people

>that feeling when you have to look away from twitter because it upsets and ruins your day
I swear every day just get worse and worse, is there any hope for our future or is it fucked for good

The fact that the very uniquely and respectfully designed black lady with an afro immediately assumes BJ is a Nazi and calls him "white boy" is pretty racist.

New Vwgas has that too, hell you can say fuck off to all of them if you want.

Imagine thinking this.

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Nobody wants to be Japanese, but at the same time it's impossible to argue against the fact that their society is better than ours.

This is a good comment, can we talk about it? The japs' approach is more palatable and respectable, so whether their games are labelled as political or not holds no weight with that in mind.

But even that message is pretty agreeable on both sides. It's a pretty basic path to hell and good intentions train of thought.

True, but she's one character within the narrative.

If the message you took away from that game was "Black bitch is here to say fuck whitey END" then you weren't paying attention.

Bro I thought about W Bush shoe dodging while taking a shit so taking a shit is political

Undoubtedly the eternal War being waged between the androids in the Nier setting was inspired by America's Pentagon/ZOG war machine and Taro asked, "and what if their war machine kept running, endlessly, even after every human on the earth is dead?" Because the war is not meant to be won, the war is only ever meant to be contiguous.
also Yamakan was inspired by 9/11 and he's /ourguy/, he's trying to take down social media right now the absolute mad lad.

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Being inspired about things that are political and making the games ABOUT political things are two different things.
The problem is when the politics takes center stage in a game and becomes the focus or driving force of it.

That dude seems like an annoying furfag but he's not wrong
Killer 7 is one of my favorite games of all time and one of the biggest themes is eastern vs western politics.

>Patrick "Japan needs to legalise drugs and prioritize trannies" Boivin on politics
He can't even understand Persona 4, you think he understands much else?

when people use "political" to talk about games it doesn't mean "related to statecraft, legislation, current or historical events, and government"
if a game is "political" it just means it's openly racist or laced with propaganda

I didn't play it because I heard it was 7 hours long with 5 hours if cutscenes lol.