Which was better, Snake’s codecs or palutena guidance?

Codec by a fucking lightyear. Palutena’s guidances match up well with KI:U, but that game’s writing focused way too hard on lampshade hanging. I’m not eloquent enough to describe it, but the game’s humour has this insincere, almost apologetic tone that reminds me of a thirteen year-old trying to win people over while also deflecting criticism away from himself. MGS is also campy and corny, but those games are also much more confident in delivery.

Alucard hijacking the line was pretty cool, though. Slippy did it first in Brawl, but it’s still cool.

Codecs, no contest

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I was so disappointed that we didn't get new codecs. Kid Icarus is really unfunny.

i was neutral about the guidances until they replaced viridi's VA with that aberration on SSBU

The Palutana Guidance is awful
>Memes
>4th wall breaking
>Lampshading
>References to the NES title

Codec because they actually analize the characters rather than just making a quick quip about them and then going off on some unrelated shit

>guidances match up well with KI:U
Not even close. Guidance writing is terrible compared to Uprising

Why even bother bringing back Palutana's Guidence when they can't even be bothered getting Hynden Walch back?

Can you stop parroting that retarded bullshit?
Tien's VA is Dragon Ball died and they had no trouble finding a replacement in Super.

Codecs, a semi realistic character reacting to all the strange shit in Smash is just really entertaining.

Man I played the game, and the entire thing is just muting the constant radio chatter until Hades comes back. The Guidances are very faithful.

toei are soulless bugbots

People always say this but I watched the codecs and they do that too.
Literally have no clue what the fuck they're talking about half the time. The most confusing was when the general or whatever starts going crazy over Luigi or something.
Shit was fucking stupid.

You're sick in the head

>they removed these great bants in ultimate youtube.com/watch?v=6yCNTnfxhkU
It's shit

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Neat stuff happens in the game, I’ll concede that, but I stand by none of the dialogue being worth listening to.

>Codecs have actual substance and some grounded reality within the MGS cast
>Guidance only serves as a reason for Sakurai to continue his KI faggotry and insert more self-indulgence where it's not needed

Hayter didn't reprise his role, it was all just clips recorded for Brawl that were used differently. Really the new MGS stuff in general was pretty token, even the 2 new arrangements were for songs already in Brawl. Maybe Sakurai just didn't want to do much without Kojima's approval. People make a fuss about Colonel's VA dying but that problem is avoided by just sticking to just Otacon and Mei Ling for codecs for new characters.

Yeah, but it wasn't nearly as formulaic as the guidances are.
>Pit/Viridi: Hey it's [Character] from [Series]
>Pit says something stupid, Viridi calls Pit stupid
>Palutena: [Character] uses [Attack], be careful Pit.

Way more expensive to get the MGS cast (especially in English) for 70+ conversations than to get KI's cast back to fill out the few newcomers. Sakurai is very tight with the Japanese cast and it's not hard to find d-list replacements for English. This is without going into how the JP voice for the colonel died and I doubt they wanted to put the time/money into recastting his role for a 1 stage easter egg.

Codecs had plenty of 4th wall breaks.
>That's a video game character, Snake
>Pit got several game-overs, Snake. That's how he got to be so strong.
>FALCON PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCH

Codecs of course, hearing such grounded characters describe Nintendo franchises was kino. Kid Icarus is already cartoony and new Icarus already leans too hard on wacky humor.

C.

Cranky kong’s gaming advice.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=67OPI3cXAaE

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goddammit, im still sad we didn´t get no new codecs.
fuck Sakurai bias

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Codec's contrast of mostly serious military speak over goofy cartoon weirdos is infinitely more entertaining than the guidances
the dialogues being written by kojima in the firstplace probably helped, the guidances jokes were mostly lame and they tried to hard to make the kid icarus crew to be the main feature of them and not their actual comments on the characters
i genuinely wish they did something new in ultimate since they couldn't make new codecs or improve the writing for the guidances at all, shit like doc louis giving mac ringside tips or especially getting cranky to shit talk the fighters , we could have got him going full boomer and shitting on new games and calling pac-man and gayman watch "a real fighter"

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Cranky deserves a bigger role in smash. He's the OG D.K and all he gets is a stage hazard.

Smash Ultimate is basically a port dunno why anyone expected something new unless they were retarded and spent months aruging that it wasnt basically a port only to get something thats basically a port

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Absolutely this. Hearing the Colonel go all serious about Wario's farting is infinitely more amusing than the Guidance quips.

>Codec
>cool, neat, fully voiced conversations between Snake and his codec gang about the characters he's fighting
>Guidance
>HOLY CRAP PALUTENA IT'S SANS UNDERTALE FROM UNDERTALE I LOVE THAT GAME

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Yea Forums has the biggest collective stick up its collective ass i've ever seen

I understood that, but rewatching them now makes me realise that 90% of the shit that doesn't make sense is just metal gear references. That crazy general part is a ref to MGS2 where the general goes batshit bananas cause he's a fuckin AI

KI is only amusing and even then it's not - only in its own game. The codecs worked because Snake was a literal outsider, a real-life person surrounded by fantastical people and creatures.

I don't even know how you get to see these.

>mr fancy pants
Kek

>Cranky trying to rationalize the plots of the games of some of the more convoluted fighters like Shulk or Joker
>gives up really early on and just rants about how you either good games don't need a story at all or how story should only be in the instruction book
I like it.

Some of those were unavoidable like Falcon Punch.

This, I tried playing with pit and then with palutena but it didn't work. Do you have to have them on the same team or what?

Literally one thing that can surpass both of them.

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codec was just better having otacon come in and talk with snake

DID SOMEBODY SAY PIRANHA PLANT?????

Its harder and more expensive to work with a 3rd party.
All of the kid icarus cast is a text message away.

It's a reference to mgs2, maybe if you played more than just nintendo titles you would know that.

Depends on the company bruh, but generally.

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>Metal gear is my favorite series and I'm so glad snake is back
>Metroid is my other favorite series and i'm so glad to have Ridley in after years of championing for him
>I've played Ganondorf since melee and I still love him
How the fuck do I deal with this character crisis?

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>Based and Doc Pilled
youtube.com/watch?v=57-iH4ehwyo&t=1s

I think if punch out were more popular and Little Mac talked, Doc Louis' tips would be in the game.

>>I've played Ganondorf since melee and I still love him
Based, glad they gave him that Spaceworld Sword well keeping his core moveset.

they didn't even get the actual KI english cast, Palutena is completely different because of unions and Viridi got a new voice actor for Ultimate

I wish they did more things LIKE codecs and guidances, not JUST those.

>banjo gets added
>spiral mountain/grunty's lair mashup stage
>grunty teases the players with her rhymes as you fight

>and it's not hard to find d-list replacements for English
I literally acknowledge this.

To explain further: English is an afterthought, if you pay attention to Smash through the years they only care if they can do it right in Japanese. They'll try for English (only Brawl and after though) but if they can't they'll either recast or leave undubbed. The only exception to this is Ultimate Roy who got an English voice only after he'd be the only one without it.

This guy has no business voicing 90% of the guys he voices.