So why won't Fatlus try to make games for their other spinoffs besides Shitsona...

So why won't Fatlus try to make games for their other spinoffs besides Shitsona? I want another Devil survivor and Raidou game. Fuck Persona. Mainline atleast get thrown a bone once in a while.

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because they don't fucking sell bro, as much as I'd like a new spin off title that's just ain't happening unless they struck gold like in Persona

They tried in the 00s with Pokemon and DmC rip-offs, but nothing besides Persona caught on.

fuck megaten flamewars

Post jacks

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They could atleast try again with Devil survivor. The artstyle also attracts alot of waifufags.

>Another megaten war thread
If you wanted a megaten spinoff thread. Could have just made it instead of bitching about Persona. I bet you unironically wanted an SMT rep in smash bros.

Devil Survivor 2 got an anime

>I bet you unironically wanted an SMT rep in smash bros.
I was saying that Joker was the most likely Atlus rep before his reveal and everyone kept unironically saying that the SMT1 hero or Demifiend had a better shot. I think that the SMT fans are borderline delusional at times.

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Since OP is a faggot. What is your favorite Demon/Persona?

Persona is now mainline and SMT is the spinoff. This is the future we live in, Son of Man.

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I thought that Persona deserved it because it's more popular

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And SJ Redux

Amen brutha!

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Post more Frost.

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Jack bros sequel when?

But persona got 2 fighting games and an EO spinoff in the first timeframe, not to mention an anime and 2 feature length movies. Or are we just gonna pretend those things didnt happen because they were terrible?

Some Raiho.

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Literally always a cycle of a new megaten game barely getting news.

Same time Persona 5 on Switch happens. Feels bad man.

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Good, Persona and jack bros suck

I would rather get Persona 1 and 2 ported to ps4 or switch than more Persona 5.

I would kill for a raidou kuzunoa 3. the concept is great but both games had an obvious lack of budget and they hadn't quite got the combat down yet

Fuck Megaten, we need a new PI
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sj redux came out after p5.
why do people act like smash is a charity instead of an advertisement?

Metroid did just fine (outside of fanart faggots jizzing everytime ZSS appears).
Metal Gear did just fine up until Kojima killed it.
Castlevania is dead, but may yet see a revival due to smash.
FE was fine up until it killed itself with Awakening.
Xenoblade suffered a few memesters pretending to like the series until they learned that Shulk is hard to be good with in Smash and that Xeno games are not casual-friendly.
Mario is Mario.
DK is on ice after Tropical Freeze (heh), but perhaps K. Rool might warm things up.
Zelda is Zelda. Smash Bros hasn’t really affected the fanbase or the games.
Kirby is Kirby.

Overall, smash bros doesn’t negatively affect any games and only has a minor negative effect on fanbases (since it takes dedication to actually be a fan that Smash newfriends often lack).

Come ooooooon, new Devil Survivor. It's about damn time. Is it because the Switch can't be abbreviated to DS?

It was Flynn's turn

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Persona was also getting spinoffs in that time, in fact it got more than SMT

>Digimon hacker's memory is getting a switch port
Isn't that games art by the same people who did devil survivor?

>Not smirking
You had one job, user

>Metroid did just fine
lol
>Xenoblade suffered a few memesters pretending to like the series until they learned that Shulk is hard to be good with in Smash and that Xeno games are not casual-friendly.
lol

that mii costume looks more like impmon cosplaying as beelzemon than jack frost.

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SMT is trash

>SMT can churn out god-tier spinoffs like DDS1, DeSu1 and the entirety of Devil Summoner
>the best Persona can do is a dumbed down EO and a decent fighting games with absolute horrid plots
What did Atlus meant by this?

Smash is a shill series anyway. There is a reason Joker got in to shill his game more instead of Flynn to promote SMT mainline to more of the public.

Do you have an actual rebuttal?

Flynn would have been another sword guy. As much as I hate his design, it really should have been Nanashi.

>SMT can churn out god-tier spinoffs
So much one of them became more popular and relevant than the main one

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>metroid
ACfag shitting up every metroid thread, abefore that was metroidfags constantly moaning about everything
>xenoblade
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Fuck you. Soulless high school simulator is trash.

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Again, why can't Persona do the same, it's supposed to be their flagship series after all isn't?

ACfag is not a spawn of Smash Bros lol.
And Xenoblade 2 shitposting also has nothing to do with Smash.

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I think he means that Smash brought unwanted attention to the series? And attention usually comes with shitposters.

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>aaaaaaagh atlus save me

>Tfw you love all SMT spinoffs
I would love a devil survivor 3. Only in our greatest dreams.

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Same.

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bunny is best protag

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Abel was great if only for his demon lord aesthetic and biblical background but Bunny was just amazing.

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Maybe in Metroid’s case with the ZSS problem, but I think Xenoblade is pretty much unscathed. Xenoblade shitposting has been a result of Xenoblade 2 being a successful (by series’ standards) entry on the Switch, despite hate for the artstyle and exclusivity.

I want to suck Makoto's fat futa cock. Persona is the future stupid SMTfag.

Kek

>I just wonder when we will get a Persona game that isn't the highschool setting.
Happened already, P2EP.

why is Golden still Shita only?
it flopped, it's discontinued already. Salvage the game on PS4 or Switch or something

Smtv on ps4 would sell though

Because none of its content is worth salvaging

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>Not getting railed on by Ann 24/7
Faggot.

Nocturne led to two Raidous, two Personas and two DDS. Strange Journey led to 4, 4A, two Devil Survivors and a Soul Hackers half-remake, with the three DS games getting 3DS re-releases, and you can also include EQ leading to two Persona spinoffs. The development for V isn't just V, it's to also lay down the foundation for future spinoffs on the Switch. They do this all the time.

By the time that SMTV is finished the PS5 will already be out.

>SMTV flops
>Next game is called Persona:Shin megami tensei 6

Persona IS mainline and has been since 6th gen.
Sorry to burst your bubble.

No dont say that. It will feature bayonetta from the bayonetta series and it will sell millions and we will get many spinoffs

>From the creators of Persona 5
>The dark souls of Persona
>Social links is the reason I bought the game,but it doesn't have any.
I can already see the reception from SMTV.

You know the mobile game already had that right

>Desu 1 and 2
>SMT
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Bayonetta will be Persona 6 DLC. Persona is mainline after all.

How are they not SMT titles

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I dream of a world that has a new digital devil saga game. I do not live in such a world and it hurts me every day knowing that

Megami Ibunroku =/= Shin Megami Tensei
No, US titles don't count.

they're only SMT in America for marketing reasons. The only spin offs in Japan counted as SMT are SJ, Nine, Imagine, and IF. DeSu is regular Megami Tensei, just like Persona

And yet Tokyo Mirage Sesions IS an SMT title? Get the fuck outta here.
Only the first Persona game was labeled as a MT title if we're being technical

They probably never got past Minotaur. Minotaur is the ultimate pleb filter.

My point was that both DeSu and Persona arbitrarily have SMT stapled onto them by localizers.

Maybe it's just with my stupid friends, but Medusa was the big problem for them

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I don't think anyone has argued that TMS is an SMT title. It doesn't have SMT in the title in English or Japanese. In Japan it's called Genei Ibunroku.

Anyway, Megami Tensei (or just MegaTen to differentiate from the individual games simply called Megami Tensei) is the name of the broader overarching megafranchise that includes SMT, Persona, Raidou, DDS, DeSu, etc.).

lol no

>Stumbling into this motherfucker in the dark section of sector c
>try to negotiate
>"..."
This guy is the reason why I went from liking SJ to loving it

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>Anyway, Megami Tensei (or just MegaTen to differentiate from the individual games simply called Megami Tensei) is the name of the broader overarching megafranchise that includes SMT, Persona, Raidou, DDS, DeSu, etc
Well duh, my point was that the first Persona game explicitly has Megami Tensei in the title while the later Persona games very pointedly do not.

I think he said that because the other post took issue with DeSu 1+2, but not with TMS being called a SMT title.

every time i see this pic it hurts even more

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>the first Persona game explicitly has Megami Tensei
I meant Megami Ibonroku or whatever

Abel reminds me of Laharl.

>another P5 hate thread

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>an OST that is easily forgettable as a standalone piece
This will never not make me mad.
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P5R made Personerds even more obnoxious. "Don't like my game? It's because you're a Switchfag." Reminds me of the early MHW criticism. Anways, have fun paying $60 for one waifu.

>Attacking Nintendo
You Snoy fucking piece of shit, this have nothing to do with Nintendo, it about how Atlus is not given love to the series that they started with. People want a new game and have information on the development of the game and not left in the fucking shadow you fuck.

>P5 going to Switch would be perfect!
>"FUCK OFF RETARDS, COPE HARDER, IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN"
>Meanwhile
>Can SMTV be ported to the PS4? It would be b-best anyway!
>"Yeah it's totally going to happen!"
I don't get it and either way it's not going to happen. Altus doesn't port it's titles for shit.

>Paying 60 bucks for the same game but with a new whore nobody cares about
Fuck off Fursonafag.

>Anyone who dislikes P5R is a switchfag
I know console warriors are missing brain cells as it is if you go around spamming this shit, but this is the icing on the cake. Not only is P5R more casualized for players, but it actively panders to fujo's.
>Human Morgana sleeping in bed with you
Yeah.. No thanks.

P5fags were a mistake

>Persona 6 has a talking T-rex that is more annoying than morgana
>More highschool shit
Imagine ever playing Persona at all.

Tell me we´re not getting a Ted ripoff every new persona game from now on

You also can't transfer your progress, so have fun maxing out social stats again. P4G had the excuse of being on the Vita instead of the PS2, and SMTIVA was a follow-up to SMTIV. P5R is just an easier version of P5. Here's some details about the game.
>We’re not simply adding new elements. We’re making it easier to earn experience points so you can play at a better tempo.
>The play assist feature further implements everyone’s voices into the game. It considers your character parameters and confidants, then suggests a destination, which you can move to with the push of a button.
Why are they making P5R easier for an audience that has already played the original? Does this appeal to anyone who isn't a rabid fanboy?

>Talking T-rex
We need a mice

Post your demons

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Nu-Persona ever since 4 is formulaic as fuck. We are definitely getting Teddy 3.0 and will be just as annoying. Also they follow the 3 human males 4 human females and 1 non-human male and 1 male who is obviously the traitor.
P5fags were always insufferable.

What's SMT?

Amen!

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Persona might have one of the most insufferable fandoms on this board honestly. I'd feel bad being connected to this series.

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I wanted SMT to be acknowledged in Smash at least when stuff like Shantae and Codename Steam were.

I don't pay attention to Personashit really but fucking wow. I bet people will eat it up and call it the best jrpg of the year.

>Opens thread with Fuck Persona
>Man fuck personafags

Personafags have such thin skin. Cope harder.

Persona gets a couple dancing games, a musou, p5r, two animes, a rep in smash, etc

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There's no point in even trying to start discussion. It's not a real SMT thread.

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>itt people not realizing video games are an idustry and the more popular higher selling ones will get more attention

Honestly, the rep DEFINITELY should have been Jack Frost. He's the mascot of the ENTIRE franchise, and is overall a much more iconic and popular character, even for Personafags. Jack Frost and his bros have played a part is SO many more games than Joker or any other SMT character not named Lucifer or YHVH

Persona but with different routes and no calendar system

>Jack Frost
Fuck you, picking a random mook instead of a Mc of literally any game

We already had Persona 1

>Jack frost
>random mook
Have you NEVER played a Megaten game? Buzz off, smashfag

Follow the money

The only jack frost ever that was 'important' and was a vanilla one was the DDS2 one, the rest is either a OC one or just a random funny demon

You and alot of people here would but it doesn't reach the larger market like persona does.

>just a mook
>literally has his own games

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Anyone seriously trying to argue that any character other than Joker is more recognizable to the mass audience crowd (which Smash appeals to, Ultimate by itself has outsold literally the entire MegaTen franchise, Persona included) is delusional. However, Joker should've had a Persona Change mechanic instead of being limited to just Arsene, that way they can include more notable demons like Jack Frost, Pixie, Cerberus, etc as Personas.

The Smashfags are still worse, but Sakurai wanting Joker in Smash opened up pandora's box. Don't get me wrong, Personafags are shit too.

Insulting Personafags is fun.

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one shitty persona dancing game is worth more than entire megaten series.

SMT doesn't need a Smash rep. What do you not understand? Anytime a series even gets a rep in those games, things get worse. Xenoblade threads turned to pure shit after Shulk got in Smash, Persona threads somehow managed to get worse after Joker got put in Smash, and the same would have went for SMT threads had Jack Frost been put in the game.

>461428793
Man, you don’t even deserve a (You)

SMT is franchise that should be brought the shed and put both barrels behind the head. It's clear Atlus can barely muster the will to work on mainline over Persona, let alone other franchises like Devil Summoner. SMTV will turn out to be discount Persona 5, because they will chase after that Persona money like they did with Final.

SMTrannies will give me free (Yous), but deep down they know I'm right. SMT will never be the same anymore.

>I'LL END IT THUS

SMTfag here. You are likely right. Also normies will get stuck on the first boss saying its too hard unlike Persona. Remember SMT4 and Minotaur?

The fault of all of this is smtfags, IF selling more than the others birthed P1(that sold well as fuck too) and from there on it was over

Persona is a franchise that should be brought the shed and put both barrels behind the head. It's clear Atlus can barely muster the will to write an actual story and include something with actual substance instead of shitty waifu faggotry and wish fulfillment, let alone other spin-offs like Persona 5 Dancing. P5R will turn out to be mediocre DLC that charges you for an entire game because Personafags do not know any better.

Personatrannies will give me free (You)'s, but deep down they know I'm right. Persona will never be good anymore after 2 (or arguably 3).

>SMTrannies
Did you really need to use the retarded buzzword though? The director already stated the the story would be akin to older SMT titles and is aware of the massive backlash that IVA got for trying to replicate the Persona feel. Sure the series might take a gradual shift, but anyone saying it's going to become Persona is retarded.

i would rather they do remakes of 1 and 2 than ports.

Maybe you should buy those games, cocklips.

Based
Cope and seethepilled

Persona 4 is the best title in the series though so you're wrong.

Based and goodtastepilled

>persona 2 remake
>game is somehow made easier than it already was
>censored out the ass, to the point where some of the plot will be unrecognizable
>if you take the choice to be gay with Jun, you get a joke response and nothing else for the rest of the game
>every character will have a completely mutilated personality
No thanks.

>He actually believed me
Yikes. P3 is the last time we've had any semblance of a proper story that managed to carry its theme well until the end.

>making your falseflag this obvious
Cringe.
I still agree with you though

>P3 is the last time we've had any semblance of a proper story that managed to carry its theme well until the end.
Wait, you're actually serious ?

P4 has no themes
P5 starts off strong but after Kamoshida it starts declining in quality

>P4 has no themes
Did you even play P4 ?
>P5 starts off strong but after Kamoshida it starts declining in quality
Never mind you're a P3fag

SMTards will cry forevermore, if only they bought those games they champion.

If you think P4 or P5 had remotely good plots, characters, or even themes, I don't know what to tell you. Virtually everybody in P4 was obnoxious with the exception of Dojima, Nanako, and Yosuke. I don't even know where to begin with P5, but I'm not going to discuss it since people will start sperging as usual.

>a mainline and a bunch of non-mainline titles from a spun off series get new installments
vs
>game releases in the west and gets numerous spinoffs of that one specific game with more to likely come in the coming years
if you don't see the difference here then you're hopeless

>Virtually everybody in P4 was obnoxious
And they were chill in P3 ? Yukari is more obnoxious than literally anyone in P4 and 5

>i have no argument

I assume it was some rights issue, like they'd have to pay extra for stuff not originating from Persona 5? I can't imagine it was a deliberate choice to make Joker work so abstractly, there's no gauge you gotta fill up in 5 to attack with Arsene.

It's simple really.
>SMT is niche and deals with themes that most people don't care for
>Persona is all about wish fulfillment, dating simulation, high school anime settings, and waifus
Yes it managed to sell after altering its formula from Persona 2, but objectively this isn't a good thing quality wise. Hell, you might as well pair P5 up with Xenoblade 2 and call it a day. Your series only manages to sell well because it resonates with casuals.

>P3 is the last time we've had any semblance of a proper story
it barely even has a story until the last month.
>that managed to carry its theme well until the end.
p3's theme is about coming to terms with death... until chidori gets revived with a flower. or shinjiro's death gets retconned by having one of the bullets miraculously deflect off his pocket watch. or elizabeth quits her velvet room job to start searching for ways to bring door-kun back.
no other game in the series backpedals on its own theme harder than p3 does. you p3fags are absolutely delusional.

>I can't imagine it was a deliberate choice
It was absolutely a deliberate choice by Sakurai, because he wanked over the menu stylings and nothing else. It's a disappointment even to Persona fans.

If you need more than each dungeon boss, the OP, the final boss, and the whole game telling you about 'Finding your true self, not deying the truth', then there is no point going further

you're forgetting that hackshino wouldn't be there to ruin it with his usual bullshit, user. he's done with persona.

I wouldn't consider them obnoxious, but more so realistic. They all for the most part had character arcs that managed to grow and develop even further throughout the entirety of the game. The game focused on the lives of the other characters off screen instead of placing all the focus on you.

actually smt iv sold the best in the series

Most of those you mentioned happened outside of the actual game. Chidori gets revived in FES, Shinji's survival in P3femc route isn't canon, and elizabeth quitting her job is nto a vanilla P3 thing either. Basically, they arguably don't count.

Absolutely based.

final was good fite me

You and I both know it'll get fucked up somehow.
I forgot to add
>S. Links needlessly shoved in somehow because fuck classic gameplay

>Half the events you mentioned are retcons in the Portable edition that can't be considered canon
You tried I guess?

>They all for the most part had character arcs that managed to grow and develop even further throughout the entirety of the game.
Good thing everyone in P4 and 5 had that too
>The game focused on the lives of the other characters off screen instead of placing all the focus on you.
The game literally had only that, tartarus and dark hour stuff were fucked, and also Strega

Vanilla P3 is not canon, FES is, also vanilla P3 still had Junpei
Liz and Chidori stuff are canon

>Razzle dazzles u

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>Good thing P4 and P5 had that too
Not to the degree that P3 executed it though. In both of those games, the character development are thrown in their Social Links which is awful. The characters basically stop developing or getting any form of focus after their respective dungeon arc.

are you actually trying to argue that fes and p3p don't count as "the actual game"? that's some desperate reaching.
chidori's revival has been officially canon since ultimax. even if you ignore the other two, the moment chidori gets revived with a magical flower is the moment p3's theme becomes impossible to take seriously anymore.

>the character development are thrown in their Social Links which is awful. The characters basically stop developing or getting any form of focus after their respective dungeon arc.
Because the story needs to move on, and P3 had that with Mitsuru, Yukari, Fuuka and Aigis slinks too

>The characters basically stop developing or getting any form of focus after their respective dungeon arc.
P3 was exactly like that minus the dungeon part, just look at Akihiko, Ken, Shinji, Aigis, Mitsuru etc, before their arcs they are all background

>The game focused on the lives of the other characters off screen instead of placing all the focus on you.
p3 literally started the trend of protagonists as special snowflakes by making door-kun the only one who's able to use multiple personas and access the velvet room, even though everyone could do that in 1 and 2. oh, and if that wasn't enough, he's emo jesus.

I killed Mem Aleph once by having this guy and Quetzalcoatl reflect Mother's Kiss back at her a billion times.

>One event kills the entire theme
Are you actually retarded? Cherry picking one or two events doesn't tear apart an entire story. If you're arguing on consistency, neither P4 or P5 manage to keep it as well.

What did any of that have to do with the character arcs of the party though..? It sounds like you're trying to move goalposts to aid your argument, but it just isn't working. The same elements you call the P3 protagonist out on are also present in the protagonists from the later games, so your point is truthfully void.

>If you're arguing on consistency, neither P4 or P5 manage to keep it as well.
Tell me 2 moments P4 and 5 went away with their themes

That's true, but as the game progresses their character arcs consistently intertwine and correlate to one another. The overall group dynamic is tighter woven and everyone grows together. This problem applies less to P4 and more so to P5, but the group dynamic doesn't feel as smooth. I hope Royal remedies this since they're making story changes, but at the same time I'm hesitant to believe they will.

>but as the game progresses their character arcs consistently intertwine and correlate to one another
Junpei one was solo, Akihiko one was solo, Yukari one was technically solo and Aigis one was solo too
> The overall group dynamic is tighter woven and everyone grows together
Both the P4 and 5 groups do that too

For P5, the entire game after kamoshida made every villain comical

More popular leads to worse and casualized games

If you paid attention you would see that each one of them had reasons

just because you didn't like the other villains doesn't mean they contradicted the game's themes. p3 threw its whole theme of coming to terms with death away because junpei needed his goth waifu.

You don't need to point out FES or P3P when P3 threw its own themes out with its own ending, where you don't have to come to terms with death and get to completely ignore it because the main character had enough friendship magic to let him become Jesus.

>One instance in the entirety of the game was questionable
>"Baaaw the entire theme is ruined! The game is shit!
Not even him, but that doesn't make any sense. Even if you want to nitpick on Junpei's arc with Chidori, he still carries her loss with him for the rest of the game and is determined to find meaning in life.

Also that fucking 1 month time skip that leaves more questions

>Friendship magic to become Jesus
>MC uses his soul to seal Nyx from destroying everyone and ultimately ends his life abruptly
>Is stuck sealing Nyx for the rest of eternity unless humanity gets its shit together
>This is becoming Jesus
Uhh.. I don't see how the MC benefited from this whatsoever. Even further, all Peesona titles have an over abundance of friendship power, so this point in particular is retarded.

Not really. Makoto clung onto life so he could fulfill his promise of meeting with everyone on graduation. It's not that deep of an issue unless you make it out to be.

>>Is stuck sealing Nyx for the rest of eternity unless humanity gets its shit together
If 3fags want to pretend FES and later 3-related games don't count when it comes to 3's themes, then they don't count when referring to 3's ending either.

He was with 1 hp for 1 month that is crazy itself, also Aigis not telling anyone about their memories of the dark hour

He's right. Though the truth is P5 was never good from beginning to end

"one instance" compared to the zero that you've been able to come up with in 4 and 5.

>In an alternate timeline Persona never became the big moneymaker it is and Devil survivor became the Face of Fatlus
What changes?

That was just "kiddy pool" shallow levels of more Jesus symbolism where he lasts a month and a week before ascending into heaven.

FES? Sure I'll give you that. Portable shouldn't even count though since it's virtually the same game. Minako's social links alter some things like Shinjiro having a link that keeps him alive, but at the end of the day she's not a canon character and you're reaching at best. I don't understand why people are nitpicking on one or two instances throughout the entirety of the game as if it tarnishes the overall theme though. That's not how it works, period.

>Ascending into heaven
I didn't know having your soul being used as a seal for an ayy lmao trying to destroy the Earth was considered Ascension into Heaven, but whatever floats your boat. You can admit that you hate P3, consider it shit, and move on at any time you know?

Given how terribly both DeSu games did in sales, Atlus is completely merged with Sega instead of being an independent entity and MegaTen is relegated to merch and crossover gacha appearances.

the DS Protag would be in Smash as an Echo for Pokemon trainer

>at the end of the day she's not a canon character
uh... doorbros?!

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Learn to read

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>FemC returns in a spinoff
So.. What were you trying to prove?

>chidori's revival has been officially canon since ultimax
Chidori is canon dead

>3fags: "Every other Persona game is shit, 3 is the only well-written game!"
>everyone else: "Here's a detailed list of every reason why you're wrong."
>3fags: "J-j-just move on!"

Junpei's necklace in Ultimax/Arena was a gift from her, also he wants to marry her

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All in a dream sequence

How is his necklace a dream ?

man why did the comfythreads turn into this shit
fucking autistic warfaggots

How casualized and easy will Persona 6 be?

So you didnt actually play the game, got it.

Persona 5's theme was shaky at best from the get go. Most people agree that the beginning was great, but around the time Kaneshiro's dungeon comes into play the game reaches a slump. There's multiple instances where the Phantom Thieves question who they're really fighting against. Rebellion is too broad a theme that the game simply couldn't capture. Like who are we rebelling against? Adults? Society? Anyone we consider misguided? Shido getting a change of heart and proving himself guilty changed absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Joker is still a criminal, the police still continue to watch him as he rides off into the sunset, and overall the game hardly has an identity of its own. I'd say the series peaked at 4.

>comfythreads
Just read the OP retard, this thread was born on bait and fight and will die on it

only the marriage part is a dream. the necklace isn't.

Notice how the thread went to shit as soon as the personafags arrived. They are a cancer, I tell you.

>Also here's a detailed list of why you're wrong
>Nitpicking on two or three instances and saying "but the later games did this too!"
>W-We're right don't argue back!
Uh..

falseflagger personafags saw that we were having too much fun and started posting bait

P5 had more than 1 theme, Rehabilitation is one of them too, and that is what they are doing with society, Shido getting to jail proved that justice exists even if a little, also Joker is not a criminal anymore at the end of the game

Yes P3 is the only well written Persona next to P2IS. P5 has to be the worst story ever put into a video game

Ever notice how the parts of the game """most people""" """""agree""""" are the best are the ones that take place in the parts of the game that Atlus told streamers and Let's Players they can play up to?

yeah why did they have to die for these threads

notice how this fucking warshit thread was fucking shit to begin with
neck yourselves
>boohoo why doesn't my game get cashgrab rehashes
is this what you retards actually want? the same game again?

Unironically Personafags are autistic. Every time they arrive in a thread, they feel the need to go to war with each other over which of the newer games is shittier than the other. You can see the autism first hand as we speak. The OP was bait to begin with.

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Blame P5fags. Not only did they kill MegaTen itself they killed the fan base for everything

this thread is the bait i was talking about.

>its whole theme of coming to terms with death
It didn’t throw it away when it wasn’t the main theme in the first place.

>get cashgrab rehashes
Are new to SMT?

Yeah, they'd never do something like do a cashgrab remake of Nocturne, Strange Journey or either Devil Survivor, or a lazy half-assed pseudo-sequel of SMT4.

Fuck off wartards. What is your favorite megaten game?

BUY SMT V

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just started playing P2. Since persona fans don't care about anything without social links are P1 and P2 retroactively MegaTen games or virginsona games?

What's the difference between Persona and SMT?

>You can dance with Adachi
Persona 4's theme is completely ruined

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What part of "this thread is bait" do you not fucking understand? Stop trying to bump it with actual discussion.

You would be wrong since P5 isn't good even at the beginning

Is this bait?

see, here's the problem: you were too much of a brainlet to understand p5's story. rebellion isn't the theme of p5. in fact, the big twist is that they WEREN'T rebelling at all, they were playing their assigned parts in yaldy's rigged game the whole time.
the real theme of p5 is that japan's adults are failing their children by building such a fucked-up and corrupt society. that's illustrated not only by the actions of the villains, but also by the indifference of the people around them - such as, for example, the parents who know full well what kamoshida is doing but are too cowardly to say anything. it's why after yaldy is defeated, the game makes a point of saying that the problems with their society can only be fixed by professional adults like sae, not a bunch of high-school kids.

But Futaba is the best part of the game!

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IMAGINE

No part of P5 is close to "good"

Futaba's dungeon and arc in general is actually one of the better parts of the game. I don't see the hype over Kamoshida's arc at all honestly. It was a nice start, but nothing to really enthrall me in the game.

That is cause they are all great

I like to imagine she is a good character yeah.

>It was a nice start, but nothing to really enthrall me in the game.
Yea Forums likes to parrot stuff without bothering to check

You're right, it's great!

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No actually they are dogshit, from story to gameplay to the garbage fucking music tracks.

See above

I disagree

You don't need to parrot to know that P5 is bad unless you are a brainlet.

Of course you do, you are the cancer to MegaTen.

Come on, i love P3, P4, IV, IVA, Nocturne and the Desu's

(You)

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Literally every streamer/youtuber played past that point and reached the end of the game

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So? How does that stop you from pretending a bad game is good and killing MegaTen.

P5babbies need the rope.

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But it its not a bad game, also it its not killing Megaten as it its part of Megaten

It is a bad game and it is killing MegaTen for introducing the worse kind of ironic weebs and being apart of a good series.

What is it about the P5 fanbase that causes this fandom to be even more cancerous than it already is? Just, people thinking the game is deep because of the ending "twist" with Yaldabaoth and his game, the entire premise being "WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY" unironically, fujos crawling out of the woodworks even further, trying to lump themselves with SMT because demons are shadows again and Guns are back, it's ridiculous.

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But it its a good game, ironic weebs were introduced before P5 though

It's the only game they played and like to appeal to the majority since they don't have the mental capacity to tell bad from good. P5fags are literally all normalfags.

Persona 6 is gonna be a sentai aesthetic with a talking T-rex as Teddie 3.0 with a bara human form who sleeps in your single mom's bed.

Games with bad gameplay can't be good. Games with bad story and characters cant be good either

But all of that stuff is good on P5

>Implying my first game was p5

>Waifufaggotry
>Even more Fujoshi than usual, doesn't help that Atlus is directly pandering to them in Royal as Morgana's human form sleeps in bed with you
>Even more wacky JoJo poses and comparisons to make people jump on board without knowing a lick about the series prior to 5
>Every e-celeb and their brother found it to be the greatest JRPG in the past decade
>Smashfaggotry running rampant in the threads
>Consolewarriors inciting arguments and bringing their mind numbing retardation into the threads even though most people here probably don't give a damn about the Stitch or Snoy arguments whatsoever
This fandom is a ticking time bomb, and 6 isn't going to make it any better.

The more popular a game is, the more retards there are playing it

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P6 is going to have a "instant win" button with how casualized P5 is and how much P5fags hate gameplay.

It was inevitable. The Persona series exists to dumb down its gameplay.

You're a fucking fool. Nobody asked for the casualization they decided to implement into Royal on a whim. Atlus decided to pander to casuals even further so they could jump into the game with ease. How is that the fault of P5 fans? It feels like this board will do anything to put it down because of it's popularity.

youtu.be/joGhroGnIc4

It was the same shit with P4, and it will be the same with P6

It isn't.

Give me 5 solid examples of how P4 was casualized.

Liking p5 makes you a p5babby

I was talking more in the fact of
>It feels like this board will do anything to put it down because of it's popularity.
The biggest one that can count for everything is picking the skills during fusion, but i don't feel like it was bad, everything P4 brought was good

>Nobody asked for the casualization they decided to implement into Royal on a whim
Base 5 was already casualized. Why do you think Yea Forums loves it?

SMTV will be most people's first mainline SMT game. Cannot wait for the backlash like the retards who talked shit about SMTIV.
>He never beaten Minotaur

>The most recent entry in a series is controversial and will bring in new fans!
No shit?

Most of the SMT fandom has already completely segregated Persona out of discussion threads. It's only a matter of time before Persona almost has absolutely nothing to do with the franchise anymore.

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SMT will never be a good or recognizable series though because Persona caters to the common denominator of waifufags, otaku, and casuals. What does SMT have? Uhh gameplay? Apocalyptic settings with edgy story? That shit won't capture the hearts of anyone. Your a blight to the fandom and P5 will continue to reign supreme

It's kinda ironic that Desu is allowed but persona ins't, SMTfags are a jealous bunch

>Yea Forums loves this game
Make up your fucking mind already.

Only if they for some crazy reason decide to get rid of all the established SMT demons from Persona 6 and they decide to make their own all original personas.Persona might as well be its own series and not a spinoff to mainline.

Did you forgot how, between the announcement of Persona 5 and its release, we got SMT IV and it's sequel?

desu has good gameplay

>It's kind of ironic that DeSu is allowed but Persona isn't
It's a proper mixture of elements between both the mainline, and Persona. The plot retains a relative sense of tension and seriousness even with all the anime flavored characters. The Fate Link system on top of that is honestly better than Social Links for me since neglecting characters or ignoring them for too long actively effects the story and can result in characters kicking the bucket.

Not really no, it still has more in common with mainline and the fans are far less cancerous
>admit that persoyboys are lowest common denominator waifufags, otaku and casuals
>call people outside of this a blight to the fandom
lmao

Predict what the P5babbys will say about SMTV when it comes out (assuming SMTV is like the previous games)

In that time Persona got three spinoffs.

At this point, it might as well. Every major Persona looks completely different than anything that has appeared in the other MegaTen series.

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>Persona almost has absolutely nothing to do with the franchise anymore.

>The Great Will mentioned in Persona 3
> Demiurge is the main antagonist of P5

Actually based post, heres a life stone for you.

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Persona gameplay was great ever since P1
That ain't the reason, Raidou 1 gameplay was pure trash and it its allowed too
>Not really no, it still has more in common with mainline and the fans are far less cancerous
YHVH is a good guy there, just that already fucks everything more than Nyarl and Philemon also the fans are just as bad (a little less but still)

Because Persona's are a person's personality given shape? I think it's mostly the difference in artists. Kaneko's Persona designs back in P1 & P2 looked like they could even fit in the SMT games to a degree. Well at least Persona like Apollo and Artemis anyway.

>Just, people thinking the game is deep
but that's the thing. p5 isn't particularly deep, and yet p3/p4 brainlets STILL can't understand it, as they prove over and over again in these threads.

persona gameplay has been regressing ever since
anyway, smtfags don't mind persona 1 and 2, just the garbage that started with 3

DDS demon forms of the main crew was different too
But that is the thing, P3 gameplay was miles better than 1 and 2

>This ain't the reason
Then please tell me, what is? That's usually what people tend to agree on outside of purposely having bias against Persona and its fandom.
>Why is Raidou allowed?
It's not about the gameplay, but the overall settings and characters that attract people to the Raidou games. It's an actually immersive spinoff with its own fresh take, unlike.. Persona titles nowadays which do nothing but regurgitate the same formula.

If you consider that Persona is also an SMT Spin-off, then technically SMT also got three spinoffs.

“I gotta say, Persona 5 is real swell but Atlus really need to keep their game with what made them big in the first place, Hee!. See this here? This is Nocturne or Lucifer’s Call as the Europeans call it. This was the pinnacle of Shin Megami Tensei and the inclusion of Dante is the cherry on top! If you want to try SMT, try this! Ho! I wouldn’t begrudge you if you emulate it. Daisoujou is best demon and *ahem! Ho! Law players are gormless!”

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>YHVH is a good guy there
Guess what, mainline has law routes too

Why can't all megatenfags get along? Are Personafags impossible to get along with or something?

>P3 gameplay was miles better than 1 and 2
no it wasn't. worst dungeon in jrpg history + poorly-designed gimmick combat system.

The irony of P5 removing the SMT title off the box is funny since there’s demon negotiation and the ending is very like a Chaos ending route.

>Complaining about casualization of a game that isn't even out yet
>Looking through a list of personas to find a skill that has "bufu-" in it is hard and takes skill
>Mashing o, x, x until you get the right combination of abilities is hard

Shit like pressing R2 to switch to a persona with an ability that the enemy is weak to is just a convenience. Same with mindlessly spamming fusions until you get the ability you want as opposed to getting to choose the abilities instead of relying on rng.
You can do shit like I did in pic related to totally trivialize a lot of p3 just by knowing what days you can get which stat boosts in the arcade in the mall.

Desu1's king of bel route is unironically better than the ENTIRE Persona series, 1 and 2 included

>the ending is very like a Chaos ending
The ending is straight Neutral, and in fact people treating it as Chaos is the source for probably at least 90% of the misunderstandings and arguments.

>It's an actually immersive spinoff with its own fresh take, unlike.. Persona titles nowadays which do nothing but regurgitate the same formula.
It was literally 2 games done in a unique way(both were similar as fuck), persona is 3 if you don't count P1 and 2
There are some law routes that despite that he is still a villain
P1 and 2 dungeons were bad as fuck too and P3 combat fixed most of the bad shit

SMT has been off the American box since P4 Golden and Arena, and even then it never should've been on the box anyway because they never were in Japan.

You're right, sometimes i forget that you guys actually count those things
>My favorite Halo game?
Halo Wars of course, and Chocobo Mystery Dungeon its my favorite FF btw.

>It's kinda ironic that Desu is allowed but persona ins't, SMTfags are a jealous bunch
Jealous of what exactly? It's simple, people just don't like Persona and what it offers in it's gameplay. If you find generic anime plots, dating simulators, and thousands of waifu arguments fun then more power to you.

How much do you guys think Ginko charged per hour?

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Then why do spinoffs count when it's SMT getting them?

funny that you'd say that, Q is actually my favourite Persona game since it is in fact a game

Most people don't play SMT games or understand the ideologies present behind the routes user. Why bother explaining?

Those aren't close to the same

>How to spot a Personybro
How can one son of man be so wrong?

Personafags were fine until P5babbies came along

I think my number one issue with Persona games is the fact that they're overly plot heavy to the point where the gameplay is drowned out in favor of being a downright Visual Novel/Dating Simulator. The gameplay isn't particularly special either since the dungeons are mind numbingly boring and have simplistic puzzles, and the battles are relatively easy.

>P1 and 2 dungeons were bad as fuck too
tartarus is worse. even the absolute worst dungeons in 1 and 2, like 1's kama palace, at least don't take up half the game by themselves.
>P3 combat fixed most of the bad shit
p3 didn't fix anything at all. all it did was introduce a pointless gimmick built around terrible ai while removing features like demon negotiations.

>The Great Will mentioned in Persona 3
Maybe it counts
>Demiurge is the main antagonist of P5
Literally every JRPG does this

>i-it's like SMT g-guys!!! trust me

>Literally every JRPG does this
Tell me 5 that had Yaldabaoth as main villain

>game so casualized it plays itself
>p5babbies pretend this is good

Are P5fags universally hated by every other part of Megaten fandom?

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Just smtfags, desufags are whatever, raidoufags dead, ddsfags dead and so on

:^)

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4 more to go

If you're talking about games with Gnostic symbolism or direct focus on the Demiurge, in recent times there's been
>Xenoblade Chronicles 1
>Xenoblade Chronicles 2
>P5
Outside of that though, I can't think of anything.
You couldn't be any more wrong. On this board anyway, Persona 5 is disliked by the majority, and especially by fans of the prior titles. There's always retarded arguments between fans of P3, P4, and P5.

They're getting there

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>are delusional twits salty about the new shiny game?
Of course. It was the same with 4 back before 5 came out and the rest of MegaTen was relegated to handheld and mobile.

Stop it you retards.

>You couldn't be any more wrong. On this board anyway, Persona 5 is disliked by the majority, and especially by fans of the prior titles. There's always retarded arguments between fans of P3, P4, and P5.
No, P5 always tops the polls, also P3, 4 and 5 fags fighting is normal just like the smt ones were
It will repeat itself for P6

Why? P5babbies need to fucking burn in hell for killing MegaTen

Of course, take a drink every time an e-celeb talks about how P5 is their new favorite game despite not being around during P4’s era then you’ll understand. Take another drink if that YouTuber happens to be a Smashtard.

Xenogears

You sound like a retard you know that :^)

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Nobody hated 4. Get your head out of your ass. The only reason 4 is remotely disliked now is because of Marie's inclusion in Golden, and the overall usage of Izanami. Otherwise 4 is perfect.
I dislike P5, but I don't see how it killed Megaten outside of threads on this board being pure shit. If anything it revived Megaten because of how much it sold. I think it broke 2 million recently? I wouldn't be surprised if Royal hit a million.

>Spamming buttons in a menu is gameplay
I bet you think using Google is bad instead of going to a library and reading through every book in alphabetical order until you find what you need because it's "more challenging"

Go post your opinion of 4 in a P5 thread and see what happens

>Nobody hated 4. Get your head out of your ass.
Are you crazy ? we had SMTfags seething over it and its spinoffs and P3fags mad

The level of contrarianism in this thread, yikes

SMT fan. Just pointing it out there, falseflaggers.

>introduced even more cancer to the fanbase
>game so easy and casualized it plays itself and requires zero thinking on the player
>most popular one so Atlus will think that's acceptable so more games will be like it

>needing All-Out Attacks in Persona 5

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Now THAT was a good boss battle.

>Nobody hated 4.
Well they do now that P5 is out, just like P3 started getting hate when P4 released, and how P1 and 2 started getting hate when P3 released

>I'm totally a SMT fan guys, it's totally like SMT II also guys!!!!

He's literally the fucking mascot of the franchise, just like Pikachu.

No bad casualized gameplay is bad. That's why p5 is shit

>P4 releases
>P3 fandom and P4 fandom clash
>P5 releases
>It's fandom clashes with P3 and P4
>P6 releases
It's fandom clashes with the former and everyone suddenly begins to accept P5
Do you ever get tired of this trivial cycle of love and hate?

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The cycle must go on forever......

Actually this, game is so easy that you win spaming AoE physical/gun skills all the time

>accepting a shitty game ever
Yikes!

>Persona 4 is suddenly good now that Persona 5 is out
Yikes

You know what, why the fuck are we were fighting about which game is better ?

Everyone loves DeSu

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Because we're on Yea Forums and we have to religiously defend and shit on titles we like and dislike to fit in even though it does nothing for anyone. Also falseflagging and shitposting.

Why people meme dance with Desu ?

P5 is the only game I played. Someone showed it to me. I bought a PS4 for this game only. I have beaten it 10 times. It is a great game. You can go to hell.

Did this actually happen in game? Only played through DeSu2 once and didn't bother with the extra story added in Record Breaker.

Do protags count?
Really like the Demifiend.

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Kill yourself p5babby

Doesn't help you get equipment and money carried on to the NG+. At the very beginning you just equip endgame stuff and summon well fused high-level Persona and use Rush till Futaba's Palace. Making fresh save just adds tedium to the game, instead of the challenge, especially when you just want to do all confidants.

Have you played the Devil Survivor titles? One of the primary aspects of doing good in combat is cracking the Dance skills and abusing them to the fullest. If you don't have Ice, Force, Fire, Holy, Cursed, or Electric Dance, you're going to be in for a bad time.

I did but i am like at day 1 and some combats, so the dancing move is like you cast at the enemy and walk around killing him ?

You sure would love that huh.

>Both the P4 and 5 groups do that too
No they don't. They get their little spotlight and then don't change at all Ryuji and Yosuke are still the annoying wisecracking sidekick they were at the end compared to the beginning. The Social Links are the only parts where they get development, but they play any part in the main story or their interactions with the other party members. P3 had the party's development tied to the story so that when they changed they stay changed for the rest of the game. P4 and P5 forgo that so that all character development is tied to the big dick MC through social links.

Compare how the party gets their ultimate personas in 3 to 4 and 5. In 3 they get them at specific points in response to big events that shake their life. Past that point they act differently because getting their ultimate is a big deal. In 4 and 5 you hang out with them enough to fill up the bar to 10. The big dick chad MC is persuasive enough to impart massive changes onto the party members despite speaking in single sentence responses. And after that they act the same because not everyone will max out the social link.

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Play further in. The first Dance skill you should crack is Ice Dance by fighting Wendigo. That's just a name for the skill though. In combat you simply cast it and hit multiple enemies with ice damage. There's no actual dancing involved.

the dance skills are just that game's equivalent of the breath attacks.

>bought PS4
>while it had PS3 version

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>Virgin beta orbiter dancing with oneitis

I mean, when SMTards keep giving (you)s and not talking about their portable games...

The strongest skills in the game are the dance skills that does multiple x element damage, but with high MAG you can do obscene amount of damage against bosses.

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Oh god i love ginko, keep your futaba your fuuka your rise. I totally unconditionately love ginko.

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Like in SMT 4.

>The strongest skills in the game are the dance skills
That's honestly arguable. Physical Skills are rather busted in these games until the ending when a majority of the demons either Resist, Repel, or Drain them.

>then don't change at all Ryuji and Yosuke are still the annoying wisecracking sidekick they were at the end compared to the beginning.
But they do change, same for the P4 ones, Namatame stuff, Adachi confrontation, Okumura's arc, VR room talk are all proofs of this
>Compare how the party gets their ultimate personas in 3 to 4 and 5. In 3 they get them at specific points in response to big events that shake their life. Past that point they act differently because getting their ultimate is a big deal. In 4 and 5 you hang out with them enough to fill up the bar to 10. The big dick chad MC is persuasive enough to impart massive changes onto the party members despite speaking in single sentence responses. And after that they act the same because not everyone will max out the social link.
Having 10 ranks of the person trying to change is better than 1 big bad event

I mean Yosuke's s link made a pretty big deal that he was always in the shadow of Chad Ziodynecock

No it's an edit

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Hmmm thanks bros, i will play it some more

>implying p5 niggas played 1 and 2

Then why did journalists universally praise P5 while rage quitting SMT4 for being too hard?

>Having 10 ranks of the person trying to change is better than 1 big bad event
Actually that's not even true in 5's, since the SL's aren't even about the characters anymore

>Having 10 ranks of the person trying to change is better than 1 big bad event
Except when half the time these Social Links focus more on a group of other characters, or another character in general over the actual Social Link. Makoto's for instance is hardly even about her. Halfway through you're pretending to be her boyfriend and tailing her friend on dates. The development was simply handled worse in the later titles. Throwing all the development into Social Links which are trivial compared to giving them focus in the main story simply means Hashino fucked up.

>Owning a ps3
>Not owning a ps1 and 2 and skipping it, only to later be able to play all the games you missed anyways

Maybe in DeSu2 where you can get multistrike, but I am pretty sure holy dance+drain combo is still the most OP combo and biggest damage dealer to a single boss

>those p5babbies putting their garbage game next to 1 and 2
How pathetic

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>Implying anyone played 1 and 2

yeah, it is pretty depressing that people accepted p3.

For modern game journalists moment you need to use debuff instead of magical "press triangle to win" button their brains go haywire.

Even if you're implying Makoto one she still grows even if cause of the other girl
No, they always focus on the person, even the Makoto one still makes her grow even though it used another person to make that happen

>The Persona series is getting easier and easier

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SMT too, IV(minus Minotaur with the Hoy guy and maybe Medusa) and IVA were easy

But I have them both as well, I bought PS3 for around 50 bucks from my brother. He later bought weed and vodka with this money and we got shitfaced. It was a win-win situation.

For Persona standards, P3's plot is probably the best out of the newer generation games, and that's saying something. Say what you will about the themes, characters, or future retcons in the Arena games because Hashino and Wada are hacks, but it's still solid. Fuck Tartarus though.

You are very gay, but also correct.

Yes I agree p5 is shit but why are p5babbies always so salty over better games?

>Except when half the time these Social Links focus more on a group of other characters, or another character in general over the actual Social Link.
Same thing happened in 3. Yukari and Mitsuru's big character development were about their dads. Junpei was about Chidori. Akihiko and Ken were about Shinjiro. Fuuka was about gyaru girl. Even Aigis was more about the protagonist than herself.

>Makoto one
No that's all of them.

>those p3 and p4 babbies who think their garbage games belong in the same series as based 1, 2 and 5

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>, P3's plot is probably the best out of the newer generation games
It was literally filler most of the time, the game only truly begins at the end when you finally get a reason for climbing Tartarus

Both those games are harder than persona

SMT has never been a hard series in the slightest though. Most of the difficulty is exaggerated from casuals who just got into the series, or started with Nocturne. Minotaur and Medusa are an absolute joke.

And P5fags fucking love it. They are a blight on MegaTen.

You're reaching now, they all make the character grow

SMT is harder than 90% of JRPGs, it's just that JRPGs as a whole are one of the most casual genres in existence.

Oh look, the p5babby who pretends to have played 1 and 2, trying to lump themself up with better games. How fucking pathetic. This is why we hate you.

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Only because of how Tartarus was structured. Otherwise, it was perfectly fine. Although it has a slow start, and only proceeds to improve in the midpoint of the game.

Better than let's hang out and chill while we wait for the murderer to make his move thats for sure.

I never said it was easier than persona
That is true, as long you use buffs/debuffs and don't go retard the games are kinda easy

Can't reach for anything if it's all in the shitty game. They don't "grow" at all, they aren't even about the characters.

They didn’t get to unlock auto-battle in IV.

SMT Nine
SMT Devil Summoner
Both Xenoblade Chronicles
Persona 5
...SCP?

Stop pretending 2's gameplay was anything other than the absolute worst in the entire MegaTen franchise, let alone Persona specifically.

>Those P5 babbies that think they even have the right to put their game in the same vein as P1 and P2
Take 3 of these cope pills and call me in the morning if you need more medicine.

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Nobody plays Persona 1 or 2 by extension for it's fucking gameplay. We've been through this discussion an absurd amount of times on this board. Clearly it's going to have some of the most borderline simplistic gameplay since they're older titles. People play those games for the story and characters.

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But you do exactly that while waiting for the full moon shadow, at least you sometimes make a reunion and talk about the mystery or go on a event while in P3 you either did fucking nothing or watched your teammates do something for 2 mins

You said SMT was getting easier and that's a lie. The truth is only Nocturne early game hard mode, SJ, and Final are difficult.

Uhh... P3bros... I thought the series started with our game? What happened?

2IS has a good story unlike P5 but P5babbies love to pretend that isn't the case

SMT can only be considered hard because it naturally forces the player to make usage of buffs/debuff and attentively fuse demons instead of holding onto them. Both of which are easy to do, so I mean..

>Ends on a fucking massive clifhanger
>Good story
Buy EP goy

Oh you’re back

I don't know why smtfags shit on persona for being a casual series It's like a unchartedfag calling tomb raider casual

Nah IVA was good, on War and Apocalypse difficulties
It consistently filters casuals and makes them seethe, so I don't buy it

I don't know why you feel the need to falseflag, but for the record none of the newer gen Persona titles have managed to top P1 or P2 with their stories. I can give you the gameplay, but otherwise.. nope.

nothing's more pathetic than the p3babbies who pretend their game even has a story until the last month.

nothing's more pathetic than p5babbies who pretend their game even has a story until the Yaldabaoth twist.

>SJ, and Final are difficult.
Nice joke a non

Actually it's like Tomb Raider fags calling Uncharted casual

>midpoint of the game.
Only if you mean by december, all that happens before was useless

The fact you didn't include Nocturne shows how much of a retard you are

Final is actually pretty harsh on Apocalypse difficulty since you're locked into it permanently. Strange Journey isn't particularly hard, but damn does Mem Aleph kick your ass all over the fucking place.

nothing's more pathetic than p4babbies who pretend their game is even good

>NO U
Pathetic

That cliffhanger was kino. EP isn't even that good

Come the fuck now

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wait, i thought the kamoshida arc was the only good part of p5? now it's the ending? you p3fags need to pick a lane and stick to it.

>that deflection
Come back when p5 isn't a messy piece of shit with no thought put into. Maybe the Royal will be good. Maybe

Persona 5 seriously spends the entirety of it's game building up to the Yaldabaoth twist though. It even goes so far as to make Akechi look like a borderline sperging retard with daddy issues when he could have been a proper antithesis to Joker.
True.

It's way more fun than P5 for sure. Unless you believed "fun is a buzzword" meme.

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nu-personafags arguing is just pot calling the kettle black.
>your game has no story
>n-no! your game has no story
it's all so tiresome. your games are all shit dudes. all of em. but pay up goy cause p5r is around the corner :^)

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>p5babby literally playing the irony game
Oh no no no no no no.

>Persona 5 seriously spends the entirety of it's game building up to the Yaldabaoth twist though. It even goes so far as to make Akechi look like a borderline sperging retard with daddy issues when he could have been a proper antithesis to Joker.
Nah, each palace owner could have been the game end but the Thief's still wanted more, and they ended up fighting a god at the end, also Akechi was his antithesis

p3 got three versions in four years and still couldn't produce a better game than p5 did on its first try. you will never stop seething over this.

I'm not done gobbling up P5 spinoff shit until they make a new Arena

Isnt about time for you to kill yourself P5babby?

SMT V can't come soon enough, these fucking threads are imploding and it's only going to get worse from here.

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>Comes to a bait thread
>Say it its bad
Are you dumb ? at least create a non bait one

>the p5babby keeps deflecting to a better game
Hahahahaha that's why at least you admit P5 is so fucking bad you can't defend it. Literally the cancer killing MegaTen.

I said a proper antithesis to Joker. Hashino literally ruined him at the ending to build up Yaldabaoth as a twist even further.
>Implying this wasn't a bait thread to begin with
>Implying SMT won't share the same fate as Persona threads do when casuals and beginners to the series alike cling onto V and suddenly act like they know what the series is about
Nope.

>Implying SMT won't share the same fate as Persona threads do when casuals and beginners to the series alike cling onto V and suddenly act like they know what the series is about
Are you saying that didn't already happen because it did

Not him but it was controllable at least, switchfags + SMT V will make some crazy stuff

Why would Switchfags be starting shit when V is a Switch title? Console warriors being mindless as usual.

Hashino, as the name says, rehashed almost every single plot point in P5.
>the deal between Velvet Room master and collective unconscious God
>mysterious sickness making people lifeless husks
>detective being a true culprit, his story is exact opposite of MCs
>Priestess being worst girl
I can't remember right now, but there was more.

That is cause P5 was made in commemoration of the series, that is why there is the '25 years of persona' in the beginning with all the schools emblems, it used stuff from all games

Read what he said again consolewarrior

And yet managed to miss the mark so hard like the piece of shit it is.

I know it well, but I see it more as being a lazy fuck more than commemoration of some kind. I'd rather see small easter eggs similiar to Rise poster or this one TV mention of Yukari being pink Sentai and something new. Fuck Hashino.

I don't know, it was the most sold Atlus game ever and also most critically acclaimed, the only awards at Atlus headquarters are from it

So? How does millions of mindless ironic weebs and normalfags eating shit have to do with anything? You might as well said FE Awakening is a good game, it sold a lot too.

>Muh sekrit series club
If SMTV attracts more smtfags thats completely fine, those that didnt like it will either fuck off or bounce to Persona. I dont know in what kind of parallel universe i landed on in which your series is better of as a niche game.

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>You might as well said FE Awakening is a good game, it sold a lot too.
But it was

P5 is unironically the Awakening of its series.

>attracting cancer is good

Kill yourself Awakeningbabby.

FE Awakening is my guilty pleasure. Fuck Fates though, and Conquest niggers telling it's good are fucking delusional.

There needs to be a devil summoner game that takes place in the Persona 3+ universe.

>terrible game with a terrible fanbase
>babbies pretends high sales = "good" game
>haven't played anything in its series and tries to desperately fit in with the other games yet simply it ends up annoying real fans of the series.
Too true

Fates and Awakening are both shit. Who cares.

>Everything I dislike is shit
Who cares.

>tfw you'll never be hee homeboys with jack frost or seraph

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>Being a hipster about jrpgs

Sorry to burst your bubble but if you like bad games maybe you should get yourself checked. You have a mental disability.

Everyone starts off as a newfag my friend, or are you going to pretend like Megami Tensei was your first exposition to the series?

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Not liking cancer doesn't mean you are hipster.

They won't go back to older better games and they will ruin all threads about their favourite hip new thing while promoting the death of a used to be good series. Ironic weebs and shit eating normalfags are the last thing you want in a series.

Smashfags truely are delusional children

> Demiurge is the main antagonist of P5
Nigger did you even pay attention? The main antagonist was the Holy Grail that turned into a god that called itself Yaldabaoth.

>I dont know in what kind of parallel universe i landed on in which your series is better of as a niche game
Fuck off back to your own universe then

lmgtfy.com/?q=Yaldabaoth

Are the books any good

No, the writing is as bad as P5.

You don't understand. The main antagonist is the HOLY GRAIL. Not the actual Yaldabaoth, he's a MAGIC CUP that CALLS ITSELF Yaldabaoth.

Ya ok

Fucking cuck, P5 is superior

t.Kasumi
Go and fuck some faggot with your giant futa cock.

But he's still in the shadow of Chad Ziodynecock at the end of the game and he doesn't make any effort to differentiate himself in the main story.