>use direct hit rocket to airblast jump >while in the air reflect fully charged huntsman arrow to headshot speedjumping soldier >land behind heavy medic, puff n sting the medic, airblast heavy off cliff
>not the highest skill ceiling >b-but muh w+m1 meme video from 2007 >le c-tap mastering so difficult, much skill XD >point and click on heads monkey island style >oooohh running close to someone and epic meatshotting him in the back takes so much skill muh double jump >b-but muh aim muh meatshots XD >muh 6s
sorry homeboys, pyro has one of the highest skill ceilings. if not THE highest. that's why comp players rarely play him, he's too risky because he's so difficult to play
any rocket/sticky jump or airshot demo and soldier can do, the pyro can do as well. with stricter timing and only when the enemy allows it, meaning you have to react faster than when you can jump at will my dudes. all scout can do is pressing spacebar twice and spamming AD with his epic null-canceling script. that's all there is to scout movement. no rocket jumps, no pogo, no headshots, nothing. even fucking engineer offers more movement options with sentry jumps.
scout mains are almost as bad as soldier mains, get your head out of your asses. play some unreal tournament or quake and realize that your 'skill' is negligible, worthless scout mains. sniperfags are even worse, he has no movement abilities at all.
medic, demo and pyro are the only respectable classes.
>medic, demo and pyro are the only respectable classes Sorry, I can't hear you over THE MOST IMPORTANT CLASS IN THE GAME PIC RELATED FUCK PYRO NIGGERS LETS GO MEDIC
> Class is all about brain > The glue to your team > No skill Jump off a cliff. :^)
Austin Wright
pyro isn't played in comp because it's bad and mostly useless, but you already knew that, hence all the shitty bait in your post
Eli Brown
Heavy is a support class
Julian Evans
Engineer takes the least skill in the entire game lmao, that's why psued shitters like Dane play him
Benjamin Russell
Because you are bad at the game doesn't mean Pyro isn't a good class, user
Joshua Clark
Why does the tf2 community everywhere else love that dane guy so much, is it just a case of them being desperate after all the other youtubers bailed on them? He seems like nothing but a self important douche.
Grayson Hill
> Dane Obsessed and seething. Imagine being so assmad over a Youtuber who don't even say shitty things that much.
As for Engie takes no skills, it's actually false. If anything, Engie is some of the hardest class to play as effecttively. It's so weak and team dependent you really need to overwork to carry. Unless you're a Scout main and don't understand why sentries exist, despite being able to take them down easily and hearing them from miles away.
Lincoln Morales
Engie is literally >Build sentry >Build dispencer behind or next to you >Hold mouse 1 I have tried this tactic countless times and it literally does work.
James Allen
>pyro with tits cursed
Brody Russell
> He groups buildings First mistake. That works against fresh installs. But when you encounter a demo that knows how to M2+M1, a soldier, a scout that knows how to peek+shoot without getting shot... It's game over and you lose 2 important buildings instead of just the sentry.
Hunter Ramirez
shit I can take down a sentry as a medic with my crossbow in like 3-4 shots if the engie isn't wrenching it
Juan Reyes
That as well. Engie was just made to slow down the game and lock down areas. It's a class meant to play the clock. Every other class except Spy and Pyro are better than him.
>Still assblasted at Pyro She's a good class, get over it.
Blake Wood
> She Fuck off tranny Pyro isn't a good class. I played it a lot because it's easy to stomp against shitters with it when you have a brain and Phlog + Uber is good when I want to reject my humanity. But two players of same skills ? Pyro loses in almost every match up. The problem is similar to Heavy with Pyro too. How do we change it without breaking it ? Pyro is too weak and has very specific uses.
Jackson Jackson
That's her Dragon's Fury
Julian Scott
>Using the phlog Shitter alert
Jack Gomez
Like I said, whenever I want to reject my humanity. Otherwise it's FT + Shotty.
Samuel Miller
Don't people hate multi-stage maps?
Ian Anderson
I don't know. I love them because it makes a long and fun game when teams are balanced. Remember Dustbowl is one of the most played and it's multi stage. So who knows really.
Ian Williams
>the most tanky class with the most DPS >insta delete you jumping around corners >can heal his medic lol
Henry Richardson
Classes that shit on Heavy: - Demo - Soldier - Sniper - Scout - Spy That's already 5/8 classes
Nathaniel White
Name ONE reason why Arena isn't the best mode >People only get 1 chance so they actually start taking the game seriously >Everyone is being useful to the team, both people who want to frag and people who want to do the objective >No more having 4 snipers and 5 spies on your team It's basically an actually fun and enjoyable Competitive mode and the fact that they still haven't added it as an option is retarded.
>join arena game >get picked off early (happens to the best of us) >now the only thing you can do is alt+tabbing out of the game and watch some youtube crap until the round is over because what people REALLY want when playing a video game is not being able to play the game. no thanks >just get good new players won't get anything out of arena, because they spend like 60% of the match spectating. if you can't play the game how are you supposed to improve? arena doesn't fit tf2 at all and i'm glad it's dead.
Camden Perry
You being shit at the game doesn't mean the mode is bad Unironically just git gut, Arena is great fun for anyone who doesn't play like a retard and can actually stay alive. Also >>now the only thing you can do is alt+tabbing out of the game and watch some youtube crap until the round is over >Not spectating the other players and see how you can improve yourself >Not caring about whether your team wins or not Absolute scrub, go back to playing Hightower and 2fort
Austin Hernandez
i've been playing this game since 2007. arena is a shit mode for new players. it's dead for a reason, go back to counter strike or just watch some epic ecelebs on twitch if you enjoy not playing the game so much.
Austin Butler
>deletes years of informational content and gives up on a monetarily succesful channel because he wants to be a normie What the fuck is his problem?
>i've been playing this game since 2007 And? I've been playing since the original Quake mod >arena is a shit mode for new players. And? Then don't have new players play it. Do you actually think every gamemode should cater towards newer players? >it's dead for a reason It's dead because Valve neglects it, just look at ctf_well, barely anyone played it until it was added as an option in Casual. If Arena gets added to Casual, it will get a massive surge in popularity. >go back to counter strike or just watch some epic ecelebs on twitch if you enjoy not playing the game so much. Again, the fact that you are shit at the game doesn't mean everyone else is. It's your own fault if you die early on in the round. Git gut you absolute faggot.
Adrian Hall
What is that house with the block thing supposed to be?
Lincoln Myers
>degenerate pyros get bitched at for W+M1ing >switch to W+M2 and pretend that they're good at the game
I recognize the vore furry and the pokeball but what the fuck is the house?
Jaxson Jackson
Nigger I eat heavies for breakfast
Christian Garcia
>Do you actually think every gamemode should cater towards newer players? tf2 is a casual game at its core, so the answer is yes. feel free to host your own server so you can play arena with the other 7 guys worldwide that have any interest in that garbage. you are just as pathetic as the people that want to remove crits in casual and refuse to play on custom no-crit servers. the option to play arena still exists, why aren't you using it? inb4 'i don't want to be alone :(' if you're going to reply again, keep the ad hominem to yourself, all it does is making you look stupid.
you eat garbage players who are still playing tf2 in 2019
once a heavy sees a pyro the pyro is dead, unless the heavy is complete garbage
John Cook
lol u mad
Benjamin Davis
>Not degreaser+panic attack retard alert
Levi Bell
>who are still playing tf2 in 2019 If you're not playing the game, why are you even here you retard?
Nicholas Baker
> He uses de greaser + Panic Cheap combo faggot. Play stock like it's intended you retard
Nicholas Sanchez
to make fun of you for thinking youre good for shit like "puff n sting" (lowers your dps in all cases) and "killing heavy" (which you cant do if youre against one singular heavy with a working mouse)
>tf2 is a casual game at its core The game is literally a sequel to a Quake mod and uses most of Quake's mechanics Stop parroting what Yea Forums tells you, TF2 is a competitive game no matter how hard you cry at those "evil compfags" who want to improve the game and make it more skill-based and balanced like the creators intended.
Lucas Barnes
Reminder that Medic takes no skill n only gets buffs
Carson Rogers
And this is why tf2 has always been shit, Arena was the only mode ever worth playing and retards like you killed it. Good job, you've made your game objectively worse and now it's dead and filled with bots.
Jordan Morris
Every other class is outclassed by Soldier. You shit damage, can go anywhere, can heal yourself, can be outfitted for almost any situation, your aim only needs to be approximate. It's insane. I play Soldier near-exclusively and experience pure bliss every time someone seethes over crit rockets or how Soldier takes no skill. Skill isn't even the point, winning is.
>doing something that takes a lot of skill and ends up being useless vs >doing something that takes a fair amount of skill and ends up winning games consistently
Know the difference, and you will realize why Pyro is still the worst class.
>make it more skill-based and balanced like the creators intended >like the creators intended You do realize that we are talking about a game that had RNG weapon spread as well as RNG 1-hit kills as a core mechanic since before the release, right?
Dominic Green
Soldier is one of the best in 6v6 but in standard TF2 Demoman is way better
Joshua Murphy
Homestuck is good before the trolls show up though
Tyler Miller
Just played with someone using VC who sounded literally six years old. That or twelve, but with a speech impediment.
Jack Sanchez
>fempyro christ get some taste
Joseph Butler
unironically this i still go back and reread the intermission sometimes
Yes, but complaining about weapon spread is pretty dumb considering even Quake had it. Random crits were always a retarded decision, though.
Ethan Lee
I'll never understand why Valve decided not to include Arena in Quickplay. Arena was so fucking fun, but I haven't seen a server run Arena in almost ten years, except for servers running giant horsecock furry vs Saxton Hale mods.
Noah Edwards
>Pic Imagine being this absolutely fucking braindead holy shit Nobody plays on community servers anymore, they're dead, they're a relic. Everyone plays on casual now and the majority of those who play in casual want random crits to be removed. Community servers are shit now, piss off with this backwards-ass retarded excuse for your low-skill mechanics
Easton Bailey
>have option to play with preferred rules and like-minded people 24/7 >actively refuse to use it and instead try to force your niche ruleset on the vast majority of players that play with a much more popular ruleset >calling others braindead this is your mind on competitive casual games
>I'll never understand why Valve decided not to include Arena in Quickplay I believe they will include Arena in casual someday, I used to think I'd never be able to play my favorite map ctf_well ever again and one day it was added out of nowhere.
Christopher Butler
He has the occasional shitty opinion (random crits should be removed, teamwork between engineers should be nerfed) but his content does a good job explaining mechanics the game doesn't teach you and in a fun way. His teleporter etiquette and dispenser videos are genuinely helpful.
Caleb Peterson
I miss arena mode so much.
Parker Long
>>have option to play with preferred rules and like-minded people 24/7 With RTD, ads, VIP and all kinds of other shit >>actively refuse to use it and instead try to force your niche ruleset on the vast majority of players that play with a much more popular ruleset The majority of players want random crits to be removed, 75% of the game's playerbase seems to agree, pic related.
Hudson Williams
>random crits should be removed >shitty opinion Shitter alert
Cooper Young
>half
Jonathan Phillips
cool pic. >With RTD, ads, VIP and all kinds of other shit feel free to host your own server any time and setting up a discord containment server for all the 7 people that want to play with you and your extremely unpopular niche ruleset.
>The majority of players want random crits to be removed [citation needed][vague]
Aiden Bell
>doesn't know that your crit chances go up exponentially according to how many kills you get in a life shitter alert
Aiden Rodriguez
You are free to think whatever you do, but I won't agree with you.
Dominic Smith
Maybe because Valve themselves keep pushing pyro as a furfag brony, with pyrovision and all that shit?
Robert Parker
>cool pic. Yeah, I forgot it. Here it is. Before you make any bullshit excuse, the video is obviously viewed by people who care for the game's wellbeing. The game has 50-60k players, 38k is the vast majority of that.
More like >play Mario Party competitively >complain about the amount of RNG >demand a special mode that only 2% of the playerbase will bother with >they comply because muh esports money
Jacob Taylor
It's more like >Restaurant makes good food >Food has a couple flaws that can easily be improved on >Autists start screeching because they don't want the food to be improved in any way
Robert King
That's not what I was saying, I was saying the vast majority of players saw the video and agreed with what he was saying.
Nathaniel Roberts
You can meme the game as being casual all you want, it will forever be a competitive game and Valve agrees. Valve has already nerfed some of the most skill-less like the Sandman, removing crits and random spread is the natural progresssion and it will eventually happen. Best part is that all you can do is cry about it on an anime forum that looks like it's still in 2007
Angel Johnson
why are all these people not playing on RTD- and ad-free self hosted servers? since the 'majority' apparently wants to play without crits, it should be easy to gather a few thousand folks to finance and play on these servers.
but instead you (and all the other 6 million comp fags) made the conscious choice to select the CASUAL mode of the game. not the competitive mode. not a community server with your preferred ruleset. the casual mode. which has rules you do not enjoy.
if competitive rulesets are so hugely popular, why would valve actively neglect the competitive mode options and actively drive away all 6 billion comp players, including their money, reducing their profit from cosmetics in the process? they had over a decade to figure out what the vast majority wants, i.e. what brings in the highest profits. surely a multibillion dollar company like valve would have changed the default ruleset if it would be to the liking of the majority of paying customers, no?
>but instead you (and all the other 6 million comp fags) made the conscious choice to select the CASUAL mode of the game. not the competitive mode. Competitive has random crits now too, retard
yes, because share holders would be absolutely thrilled about the idea of valve angering the community and driving away both players as well as income. that does indeed sound exactly like what a for-profit company would do!
Brandon Harris
Valve is a private Corp dumbass
Noah Roberts
>He actually thinks Valve listens to the community holy fuck lmao Valvecucks really are that pathetic sear god hahahaha
Adrian Brooks
pasta?
Dominic Bell
oh, my mistake. then they only reduce their own income, still sounds like a plan a mastermind would come up with!
Well its misguided but what they are doing. Businesses are never perfect
Connor Baker
>Valve >share holders
Opinion dismissed. Learn what you're talking about before opening your mouth you cretin.
Valve has clearly stated that they don't support competitive because they don't like the Meta, they don't like the fact there is a whitelist and that there are class bans/limits.
You know nothing, go back to orange_7x homing crit rockets nigger.
William Allen
Pyro mains are deluded into thinking the class is good because they play on cluttered casual pub servers where they can be guaranteed to always blunder into an enemy around a corner and surprise them. Pyro is basically the offensive equivalent to spy: they're both shit classes outside of the specific circumstance where they become not shit, and instead extremely powerful.
With spy it's when he routes around and sneaks up on you for a stealthy pick. With Pyro its when he gets lucky and blunders around a corner into an unprepared opponent (preferably in a small space).
Kevin Martinez
>Not building teleporters get better you unskilled gay
Jason Edwards
>it will forever be a competitive game and Valve agrees. Well, Valve doesn't know their own game them. TF2 was never a balanced, competitive friendly game, even at launch. From day 1 you had bullshit like demomen being OP and pyros being useless. Shit only got worse as time passed, with the introduction of more weapons that increased the number of variables and made balancing harder. Valve can suck that esport cock if they want, but the game will never be any less casual than, say, Pokemon.
The fact that for comp to even work you need to cut so many weapons (if not entire classes) is enough evidence of that. The meta is so different from what you see on casual that it's no wonder that the majority of the playerbase doesn't bother with it. And since nerfs are made around it, you would need to rework a lot of shit from scratch until it's a completely different game.
I wouldn't even be bothered if Valve kept that shit inside the compfag community (giving weapons different stats based on gamemode would be fine), but how it also affects casual only alienates the playerbase. Influential faggots like Dane wanting to mix water with oil only make things worse.
>Opinion dismissed it's easier than trying to refute the actual point of my argument, which still stands. a for-profit company will always try to maximize their profits, it does not matter if it's private or not.
valve not listening to what all 6 trillion tf2 players want and actively designing the game in a way the entire playerbase does not enjoy or want is not good for business. tf2 has survived for a decade and that's most certainly not because of the competitive modes or the tiny competitive scene.
>degreaser nerf >flying guillotine's entire point removed >pyro flames do totally unreliable damage >heavy rampup >eviction notice unfun >only 2 stickies at once with the jumper (seriously, what was the fucking point of this nerf?)
Esports is whats hit in gaming right now, every big company wants apart of the audience. I see that tf2 is receiving less and less attention from Valve. I conclude that tf2 embracing competitive would be a good way to make Valve more interested in developing it actively again.
I don't actively play comp. I played 6s and HL a few times, but the format just doesn't work. They would need a new type of gamemode, 5v5, all those things, but competitive authorities (ESEA, RGL, and all those other lobbies) currently dictate the rules of competitive, in part because Valve doesn't.
So we're stuck in a loop. Valve refuses to support competitive Because competitive authorities make comp viable for the CURRENT stats of weapons/classes Because Valve refuses to change the game
They have already shown with many items that they could balance stuff for both casual and competitive play (e.g. razorback) (note that the sandman, caber and other items weren't changed to be acomodate competitive).
So now it's a question of if the authorities decide to bite the bullets and allow "unbalanced" strategies into competitive to show valve how to fix things so that valve will be more likely to support the comp tf2 scene and give more content for casual players too.
It's not that complicated. I am a casual player, and I can see that competitive is tf2's only way to get redemption in valve's eyes.
Juan Gray
>null cancelling script Thank you for telling me about this OP, now I can be even more of a cancerous scunt man bludgeoning people to death with my anthro Twilight Sparkle sign
Yeah but I would never subject another person to the horror of Homestuck. The only thing worse than a bad comic is a good comic that gets worse over time.
Jack Sullivan
Again, no matter how hard you meme, the game will always be competitive, it always was, always will be. This "tee ef too is cesuel!" meme is something only recently spawned out of contrarianism. >The fact that for comp to even work you need to cut so many weapons (if not entire classes) is enough evidence of that. Cutting weapons is only there to make comp more enjoyable, it still works with them. Also comp doesn't cut classes you retard. People just choose not to play as a class like Pyor or Engineer in 6v6. You could do that and maybe even be successful, but most prefer to pick a class like Scout or Soldier instead. Also, 6v6 isn't the entirety of comp, retard. Highlander exists and is way better.
Juan Gray
Dude, if you're only learning of this now, just look up "mastercomfig 7.0" and install they, it features a bunch of scripts in the installer.
Make sure you get the 7.0 otherwise you won't get the GUI.
Xavier Collins
>anthro Disgusting. Anthro and GR15 should not mix, it looks fucking terrifying. anatomically_correct is the best tag
TF2 is semi-competitive at best. The game's lighthearted nature and RNG-related mechanics are a reflection of TF2, at it's core, being a silly cartoonish game.
Hey guys anyone wanna play some arena with me? Here's the ip: 2.31.29.91:27016
Isaac Wright
tf2 was never a competitive game, the game existed for years before a comp mode
Lincoln Taylor
>Again, no matter how hard you meme, the game will always be competitive, it always was, always will be. I don't get what you mean by this. I already stated that TF2 was never designed to be competitive, if you wish to show otherwise, them please tackle my arguments on the other post. Saying something is something because you say so means nothing. >Cutting weapons is only there to make comp more enjoyable More enjoyable because they are streamlining the game by removing weapons that would be too effective on a cordinated team (short circuit, crit-e-cola, sometimes the rescue ranger). Obviously the bans will vary, but in a general sense, they are done because the game itself isn't balanced or built with comp in mind. >Also comp doesn't cut classes you retard. People just choose not to play as a class like Pyor or Engineer in 6v6. I will be more clear next time. 6v6 is its own separate meta that is even more disconnected to the others. People don't refuse to use some classes just because they feel like it, but because it goes against this meta. >Also, 6v6 isn't the entirety of comp, retard. Never claimed otherwise.
Adam Nelson
>the game will always be competitive yes, just like connect 4 and hungry hungry hippo. any game where 2 or more people compete against each other is 'competitive'. that doesn't make tf2 with the default rules any less casual. tf2 is a game first and a sport second, your fault for taking it so serious.
At the very least it;s not a casual game, it never was and never will be.
Gavin Walker
good porn tho
Lucas Morris
I left tf2 in November and sold all of items to buy gifts and other shit since I got fed up with it's current state but I'm feeling a bit nostalgic, is it worth coming back to now?
Brody Gonzalez
>use direct hit rocket to airblast jump >instantly headshot by enemy sniper, or focused by enemy heavy, or denied by enemy scout, or killed by mini sentry. try reflecting bullets retard.
>reflect fully charged huntsman arrow to headshot soldier >hits him in the knee, Soldier proceeds to airshot you or market garden you, owning you again
>land behind heavy medic, puff n sting the medic, airblast heavy off cliff >Get owned by Heavy's 200 damage per second at close range damage as the medic runs behind the Heavy for cover, only retards play maps with cliffs and let themselves get airblasted off
Soldier's skill ceiling is far superior, keep seething that you tried playing pyro in a 6v6 pug and got kicked / subbed because you went 0-10.
Aaron Green
Anyways this entire argument has strayed as far away as possible from where it started, what I was saying is that the game shouldn't cater towards newer players only becuase it's "casual" (Which it isn't). Arena mode is made for people who are good at the game and are tired of faggots not doing the objective.
Xavier Reyes
Valve:
>Sandman Guillotine comboing is a mechanic that lets you, with good aim and prediction, insta-kill one person once every 15-20 seconds
Valve: Nerf it.
>Wrangler lets your sentry tank 650 damage, allowing it to completely resist an uber demo/soldier/heavy push as long as you have even one person helping against the push
Valve: Nah it's fine.
Chase Scott
>The fact that for comp to even work you need to cut so many weapons
Yeah it's not even playing TF2 at that point. If your comp mode has to strip out HUGE chunks of the game, it's not really a true comp game. It's some strange warped creature that mimics the OG game.
Brayden Ramirez
Wrangler got fucking gutted too bro
Christian Miller
desu half the weapon bans are nonsense and come from 6v6 players not wanting Heavy/Engineer to be viable in 6v6 and thus slow down their game even more than it already is.
Jace Thomas
>Immobile target designed for defense Vs >Large projectile hitboxes from a annoyingly fas scunt that literally everyone and there mom could do without fail
Bentley Jackson
You can trace a parallel with Pokemon there. They want to make the game competitive friendly, but they have a lot of shit that can easily break a fight, so they go through a lot of effort to ban all kinds of moves, exploits, and create tiers so objectively strong pokemon won't just wipe out everything. When you need to cut through so much fat just to make comp playable, can you really call that game competitive?
Luke Howard
t. never actually tried the sandman+guillotine combo
There was nothing to argue. The post I was responding to pretty much boiled down to "No".
Jackson Hall
>russian vs own Tossup, russian might be good but has shit ping. Own is shit. >dirtyasshole vs pablo Dirty takes it, probably knows what he's doing and pablo has shit internet >Fluttershy vs Legend Fluttershy takes it, Legend is a reddit memester while Fluttershy has been playing autistically for a decade. >Soundsmith vs. Aegis Tossup >Eren vs John John knows what he's doing, Eren doesn't >foxy vs deathshadow They're both shit at the game and neither contributes anything >mandii vs Rick Mandii stomps, he has three unusuals and his medic boyfriend sucking his cock figuratively and literally >janee vs spycrab See Mandii vs Rick >Cow vs 414 Both are shit, tie >Pootis vs Dell One's friendly, the other's trading. Tie >pokefag vs moonlight Moonlight takes it, he actually knows how to play the game Overall Red has better chances.
Elijah Hughes
>Still no argument
Brody Walker
BLU. Making those Pocket + Medic GF comboes angry is a fun pastime
>having actual competition >not a winning move that's a good thing though
Ryan Clark
Based and redpilled Twinks > girls >>>>> "girls" = bears
Camden Lewis
Probably but it's just a phrase that's suck in my mind when thinking of those Medics glued up a Soldier's ass with complete tunnel vision. Medic is my favourite class though so can't really try to dispute your claim.
Dominic Morris
what does the second half of that post have to do with Scout
>b-lines right into the entire enemy team >should be punished hard >unga bunga me press m1, me deserve rng bonus damage that deletes the entire team Literal zoomer mechanic that you'd expect to see in Overwatch or Fortnite
John Hernandez
>furries >pokemon >ponies >home ownership? >pyros Seems accurate
Carson Robinson
>*fires crit rocket and blows up furry pyro main* >*pyro spams airblast, pull out shotgun and kill him* >"Your fire retardant ass just got dominated." >NOOOOOOO I'm not bad it's just soldier takes no skill to play!
Jonathan Ortiz
That's me
Brandon Jackson
Join RED because the most based man alive is in it
>ctf: "frenly hoovy dont kill :(" >attack/defend: "im new how do i play" >cp: you were killed by scout/demo/sniper/soldier: with 60,000+ kills on their weapon
Bentley Sanders
Name one class in TF2 that is difficult to play.
Colton Fisher
I'm a brony and my main is MEDIC
Eli Ross
I saw a pyro with 130k kills on his flamethrower. Apparently all legit
>Soldier is difficult to play How does it feel knowing that I play him specifically because he isn't?
Xavier Garcia
:3c
Gavin Jenkins
>third party client
Oliver Phillips
overwatch is better anyway get fucked pcbros
Camden Adams
The one with out the food senior so I can bake against him and win.
Caleb James
It depends on your definition of play. Yes, one part of soldier is spamming out chokes which requires very little aim. Unless you're on a shitty map however you can no longer rely on splash carrying you the moment a decent scout or demo engages you.
Jose Roberts
If you really think about it, Soldier is the most beta class. He's only the second best/worst in every category: Damage, health, movement speed, etc. Hell even pogoing rockets is less impressive than pogoing sticky jumps.
Asher Flores
Anyone has a link doe a good config that makes the game run well without disabling shit like hats, ragdolls and the such?
Parker Miller
>run dx8 >can't see any skins nice wasted money
Nicholas Gomez
You're a retard for paying for fucking ugly textures anyway
Juan Anderson
But user, it's my game. Reminder tf2 team added pyrovision shit and ruined pyro completely Reminder they added pony-themed items that were not restricted by haloween or pyroland Reminder there's all class regular furfag cosmetics like the fox head that those things pay fortunes for every day I just want to burn stuff, it's so rare even in single player, almost no mp games allow you to play with fire. "Bad name" doesn't even begin to describe the injustice that happened to honest pyromaniacs.
I wouldn't buy a skin, I'm saying the people who use skins are wasting their money trying to show off same for hats thanks to the nohat mod
Robert Williams
>Reminder they added pony-themed items that were not restricted by haloween or pyroland Wait, seriously? I thought the only ones were halloween/pyroland?
>WAAAAAAA TALK ABOUT THESAJ CLASSHS NOY MINE XDDD I would rather be trapped in a room with a stinky spy main and a rapist sniper main rather than pyro or engineer
Jonathan Williams
>pyro and engineer >mine ? I don't play any of the classes you have mentioned so far, just accept that Soldiers are the lowest tier of competitive class
Noah Wood
Don't forget we have paint too. Imagine all of these with heart unusal and pink paint. With a heart at the end of the name and a furry picture
phew, I've gotta admit, you're pretty good but can you do... THIS? *uses buff banner*
Owen Carter
>rescue ranger
Christian Perez
futa tf2 pyro
Isaac King
Fucking women(men) with pink medic healing their phlog gf erotic role-playing on discord masturbating when the medic pop's the über while the pyro blasts the flamethrower. How have he come to this point god I hate pyros and engineer. I hate women(men). Why are all pyros so disgusting
Gabriel Gutierrez
>"/amplifier"
Jaxson Morales
okay... but... can you do... THIS?? *chains rocket jumps without healing*
try teleporting somewhere you haven't been before, egghead
Noah Jenkins
Was pyro designed last? Most of the classes have something interesting about them but pyro just has the most brain dead weapon in any game.
Matthew Price
no, that would be engineer scout > sniper > soldier > demo > medic > heavy > pyro > spy > engineer
Julian Baker
That's when the ninjaneering comes in handy.
Brody Cook
>These pyro asses
Jace Flores
>4 hours 45 minutes ago >still not deleted Got any more?
Robert Thomas
When the fuck is medic getting a nerf? >most overpowered weapon in game >passive regeneration better than the Conch or Cozy Camper >as fast as spy >health of a eyelander demo with no heads and no boots >when healing a teammate faster than him, he gets their speed >can make a teammate invulnerable/have infinite crits for 8 seconds >literally every competitive team runs one
This but with Soldier, Demoman and Scout >all >of >their >pros >listed >out >literally every competitive team runs one
Caleb Thomas
>mfw when he nukes his shit what an egotistical faggot
Asher Parker
it's still been a feature for that length of time
Jaxson Rogers
>femme pyro gave me a mask fetish to this day Better than a latex fetish I guess
Benjamin Ross
I'd settle for an Ubersaw and Crossbow nerf.
Jordan Bailey
Alright, record yourself on an MGE server then. Surely it must be easy with how you describe it. Or are you going to post another reaction image you downloaded from reddit and continue telling yourself Soldier's easy?
Easton Thomas
Is it weird that I have no issues with either of the two tf2 examples but the SF example still makes me mad?
David Walker
HALLELUJAH IT'S RAINING MEN
Logan Gray
>Alright, record yourself on an MGE server then. Surely it must be easy with how you describe it. >Or are you going to post another reaction image you downloaded from reddit and continue telling yourself Soldier's easy? tutorial class
Andrew Wright
>they're acutally gonna have competitive dustbowl alright compfags you aight in my book
Isaac Bailey
Nothing better than a latex fetish. except hand-holding
Nathan Phillips
I forgot how decent the syring gun is, you'd be surprised how many people can't deal with it and just charge face first into all the needles, especially scouts
>Still nothing Again, play as soldier on an MGE server and record it. If you still refuse to do this, I don't see a point anymore in arguing with you anymore. You obviously have a massive delusion going on.
There is anybody alive that still actively plays tf2?
Andrew Martinez
is he falling over haha can anyone post some pictures of pepe the frog falling over haha and maybe looking embarrassed about falling over haha it seems like a funny joke haha
Do people even watch comp anymore? I thought it's all just b4nny and a few popular guys sucking up all the fame.
Jack Thomas
Unironically Pyro He's in a tough spot after his JI nerfs. W+M1 is the only viable tactic he has currently and that tactic will get you killed in 10 seconds. They have to revert him back to his pre-JI stats even if it'll cause massive butthurt. Combo Pyro was fun to play and actually effective. >B-But he wasn't fun to play against! How is dying in any way fun? How is that a reason to remove something? Why should I give a shit if the dude I just killed isn't "having fun?" Maybe he should learn to fucking deal with killing the weakest class in the game instead of whining about it on the internet, faggot. >B-But muh skill God shut the fuck up already. I'll play the game however I want and any nerve of yours I pinch is a pinch fucking earned.
Luke Butler
do syringes still delete dragon's fury projectiles
Isaac Nguyen
Just do what the guy says or leave it
Oliver Phillips
What is this even supposed to convey? It has been one of the most played games on Steam for well over a decade, are you trying to be smug about not playing a game?
So there is no point in arguing with you, you cannot complete a simple task that should be braindead-easy for you and you keep on using non-arguments. I'm closing this thread now, goodbye
Jeremiah Young
>just waste time recording a webm that both of us will forget about in a week at most literally zero point
Brayden Watson
thank you for conceding :)
Asher Davis
Based as fuck
Joshua Collins
Yup, shit shits fucked Also rockets and brushes on stairways, not to mention your target sometimes randomly extinguishing before the second shot connects, it's such a joke currently, it's pathetic
Jace Davis
Post some more fempyro please.
Aiden Sanders
lol jk i didn't actually close the thread Where's your video, user? Shouldn't it be piss-easy for you to do this? Otherwise just record a demo, upload it and post the link here. This should be incredibly easy for you, give me a simple recording of you killing three different soldiers in MGE. Considering the class is so easy and a "tutorial class", this should be the simplest thing in the world for you to accomplish
Zachary Rodriguez
>>use direct hit rocket to airblast jump >>while in the air reflect fully charged huntsman arrow to headshot speedjumping soldier >>land behind heavy medic, puff n sting the medic, airblast heavy off cliff >Play Demo >Shoot either ranged weapon in enemies general direction >Get the exact same results for 1/16th of the effort SOOP CAN
see and tutorial class shouldn't be in quotes, he is LITERALLY the first of four classes you play in the tutorial
Dylan White
>pre-JI >combo But degreaser was already useless by then. They need to go way back to tough break, then we can talk. They can keep the axtinguisher the way it is.
Nigger you don't have to post a webm. Just go into an MGE server, type "Record [name]", kill three soldiers in MGE, upload the .dem file to filedropper and post the link, it's that simple. You seem to be awfully reluctant to do this, despite it being so easy following what you said.
Connor Perry
Dustbowl.tf
Carter White
Oh yeah, don't forget to type "stop" once you're done. Good luck!
Adrian Williams
I ENTERED THIS THREAD EXPECTING MORE FAT PYRO ASSES YOU FAILED ME Yea Forums
James Campbell
>waste time recording to satisfy one user's autism it being a webm or not doesn't change the fact that it takes time to do in fact, since you stated that Soldier is difficult, what is your case? the burden of proof should go to the claim, after all
John Young
This
Joseph Walker
>I can't spare 4 minutes to prove my point You already wait longer amounts of time for people to reply. No more excuses, user. Just go to an MGE server and prove yourself right.
Juan Jackson
>avoids proving that Soldier is difficult I don't see what the issue is, if he's as hard as you make it seem
Cool, may actually check this one out. Anything I need to know before going in? I know the basic gist of Highlander.
Tyler Turner
You were the one claiming he's an easy tutorial class, the burden of proof is on you. Make the recording and prove yourself right. If your next post isn't a link to the .dem file you recorded, you have officially lost the argument.
Henry Watson
GOOD, BUT FATTER
Luke Campbell
Oh hey I wanna try this now. I don't have friends, that's the best way to joing a team?
Levi Peterson
actually, you replied to me stating that he's not easy to play, so the claim still falls on you since you cannot seem to keep up with the core of the argument and try to divert the attention away from it, you have lost until you can prove that Soldier is not easy to play
Jonathan Phillips
This was your first post You were the one first claiming he wasn't hard to play, now prove he isn't. I still do not understand why you're being so reluctant, this should take less than 4 minutes, this is braindead easy for you. Could it be that he isn't actually easy to play and you have trouble accepting that fact? :^)
Leo White
Too bad. go take a shower, virgin
Blake Gonzalez
that was my first post, yes, which is nothing but an image if you wish to extrapolate that from the image, be my guest, but it won't further your point I don't know why you're trying so hard to avoid proving that Soldier is difficult, as the poster I replied to claimed are you so unwilling to defend the original claim that you instead try to attack a different target entirely?
Christopher Gonzalez
>heavy is so powerful that nearly every class needs to have a chance to counter him Heavy is literally the most effective class. >Can deal consecutive 5 damage from far away slowly lower enemy health >Massive damage up close
Can never go wrong with Heavy.
Joshua Flores
>Anything I need to know before going in? Don't go overboard and start calling pyros niggers. They're incredibly stingy when it comes to that.
Because I love deleting some over extending faggot trying to chase me down by turning his face into a pin cushion
Joshua Thompson
Yeah but you could just smack them with your ubersaw and get a quarter-to-half ubercharge.
Juan Price
Well, then. How would I prove Soldier is difficult to you?
Lincoln Rivera
Or die because you pulled out melee and happen to not be facing a mouth breather.
Alexander Harris
It's not that simple you faggot
Xavier Howard
So you got nothing? Okay then. Goodbye
Elijah Perez
At least in that case you'd get something out of it if you survive.
Tyler Clark
Little to no dps close range If your buttbuddy dies(or is blind to a scout) you will likely die if you use the crossbow. And syringes are excellent at helping you get away since they create a sort of "wall of pain" if you know how to lead them, specifically at doorways. Bruh you want to melee the guy that killed your buffed soldier/heavy and is now aiming at you.
Connor Flores
ideally, you shouldn't try, because I personally believe that none of the classes are meant to be too difficult for someone just starting out you could make the case that he has a high skill ceiling compared to other classes, but that's not necessarily him being difficult - rather, it's just Soldier's versatility in combat that allows players to use him to such levels, like Scout, Demoman or Sniper also, this isn't me
Benjamin Morgan
Embarrassing
Josiah Allen
OR, you could escape and not die with your uber at 60%. Saws are a gamble, and sometimes you don't want to go all in.
Juan Thompson
It's pl_dustbowl
Jeremiah Anderson
>because I personally believe that none of the classes are meant to be too difficult for someone just starting out >you could make the case that he has a high skill ceiling compared to other classes, but that's not necessarily him being difficult - rather, it's just Soldier's versatility in combat that allows players to use him to such levels, like Scout, Demoman or Sniper Well fuck that was my entire point
This, though he should have already stopped playing video games the second he said Arena was bad
Eli Fisher
Honestly the trolls were kind of bearable, but the the timeskip/directly after timeskip is where the shit hit the fan. Characters straight up changing out if nowhere and so forth
Jaxson Harris
>Still seething at pyro mains in the current year Hasn't Pyro been nerfed enough? What single fucking thing about pyro currently can possible get anyone butthurt? Not even W+M1 is effective anymore
Thomas Lewis
ADD WATCHTOWER TO THE FUCKING MAP POOL VALVE FUCK YOU
Nigger, that map is only ever used for vsh, and they'll never add it to casual rotation.
Camden Watson
Homestuck was always garbage, get off my board you fucking zoomer cucks
John Foster
Pissbabies and scunt mains don't like it when the little embers burn their skin after messing around with fire, then while trying to run for the nearest healthpack they slam right into the floor and then complain on the forums.
>scunt mains don't bundle me into it i don't care about pyros they have a shotgun and decent speed so they are alright to me
Gavin Reyes
Epic comeback, you totally BTFO'd him
Jose Johnson
It's THE demoman payload map
Grayson Nguyen
Seriously why the fuck is vsh the only time anyone ever plays Arena? Arena Respawn was a hundred times more fun and a legitimate improvement over the original mode (not saying the original mode wasn't incredible either)
Owen Russell
>Classes that counter the heavy: Anyone that can deal consistent damage from far away. SCOUTS BTFO PYROS BTFO SPIES BTFO
Zachary Myers
I love it's aesthetics
Oliver Thompson
>pistol >flare gun >ambassador ...?
David Carter
Which map is this, Mossrock?
Tyler Anderson
why do you think anyone will fall for this? the instant a video gets posted you'll make up some garbage to handwave it. complete waste of time now quit embarrassing yourself
Jack Barnes
>Fires detonator so the heavy gets paranoid and starts frantically looking around >Heavy get's killed by the team lmao
Nolan Torres
you had it right the first time lmao
Jordan Miller
Well, no. Just post a video. Why is that so hard for you when you speak like it would be so easy.
Noah Peterson
>Keep coming back here for more Pyro ass images >Is disappointed
Lucas Miller
>replying to an almost 2 hour old post trying to revive an argument now quit embarrassing yourself
Ethan Sullivan
>flare gun heavy from a distance >Heavy_autoonfire04.wav >fire another flare >Heavy_paincrticialdeath03.wav
Juan Thompson
haha imagine being a scout in a team filled with fempyros haha
Jacob Jones
How do I practice my reflecting skills?
Luke Jackson
>Join match >Play pyro >Force yourself to only use airblast on flame thrower and use shotgun for damage Simple.
Noah Walker
But is there any tr_walkway map for this?
Ryan Parker
Just play a volleyball server.
Brayden Garcia
I just want a map where I can reflect various projectiles including huntsman arrows
William Brooks
>Pistol Can't deal enough damage when heavy's on the cart. >Flare gun Only helps push your team towards heavy's big ass gun. On fire =/= about to die >Amby Nerfed. If your gun's doing more than 70 damage per headshot, heavy can kill you in less than 2 seconds with decent tracking.
Gabriel Jackson
>Can't deal enough damage when heavy's on the cart. not necessarily about dealing enough damage, it's preventing crit heals that makes it good >Only helps push your team towards heavy's big ass gun. On fire =/= about to die but flare gun crits on flaming targets >Nerfed. If your gun's doing more than 70 damage per headshot, heavy can kill you in less than 2 seconds with decent tracking. at max range it deals around 50 damage, which is still enough to be noticeable
Evan Lewis
>forgetting the fact that the Flare Gun has a 90 damage crit on burning players
Adam Cruz
>tfw you reflect a rocket and kill the other team's Medic
I know this is a meme thread but in case anyone interested in the topic is present:
- "Skillful" is undefined and as such renders the entire comparison moot - If we assumed "Skillful" to mean either "skill requirement", "skill reward" or general relation with skill - this is irrelevant regardless. Class balance is a much bigger topic than individual skill curves.
Focussing just on Pyro, or any other one class, will not shed greater light onto the structure of TF2 and how it may be improved. For what it is worth anyway, Pyro's main problem is his lack of distinct traits, and that what traits he has are mainly gimmicks and superficial traits of little coordination or substance respectively, to bring his role to life in TF2.
Austin Ross
>original quake mod My nigga.
Bentley Martin
Nah, you're just ignorant and bad at TF2. No heavy can react within the 1 second time frame I deal 460+ damage to them with phlogistinator.
Jason Martinez
>original quake mod On that note, how much has your class changed since the mod?
Daniel Thompson
>no bunny hopping or grenade jumping or grenades at all >thinks it's "competitive" when he just mentioned the quake mod that took a thousand times more skill to play well and was far faster and mechanically involved as well This has to be satire. If you compare q3f or ETF to TF2 it's not even in the same universe in terms of competitive play. I mean I loved TF2 back when I played it but just... lol dude.
Justin Torres
so is the new copypasta we're gonna be spamming now?
I've died from a heavy while I had phlog crits many times, mainly because they just turned around but they usually die right after.
Jaxson Cook
>If you compare q3f or ETF to TF2 it's not even in the same universe in terms of competitive play. >Muh Quake Reminder TF2 is harder than quake, people who've ACTUALLY played quake know this. Harder rollouts, rjs, uber counting is harder than mega/heavy timers etc I could keep going. Let's not forget TF movement is way harder to learn, let alone implement to your advantage. You are just bad at video games.
Brayden Hernandez
@461435917 premium bait
Grayson Flores
His Fortnite videos each reach 2 million
Brandon Taylor
literally who?
Adam Peterson
Sounds like you goofed
Benjamin Watson
He's just being a Efaggot, should've archived his content
Adrian Torres
>As promised deepest lore
Jace Powell
>Red Laggy Pyro, will still kill a large amount of people. Expect him not to go for the objective. Possibly a great strategist, has teleporters in spots nobody on blue will know. Carrying the team with a nasty defense and sentry spot. Possible medic GF for the heavy, if not will heal anyone that presses E despite them being overhealed already. A kid that has zero game sense Weeb that has zero game skill Super focused on one sightline, with good aim. No game sense other than that. The ERP Couple from different countries. Soldier is at least decent, medic can only focus on soldier due to lag. That one spy that somehow keeps killing your medic with "Matadors" Will not contribute at all. Can't hit headshots but has great game sense, will never die and plays super passive. >Blu Scout that doesn't have any map knowledge or game sense but somehow has great aim. Will die after getting one kill. Bombs and dies to the heavy every time. Will focus people that dominate him, AKA snipers. Useless otherwise. The one person picking the medics, and shutting down objectives. Arguably carrying the team. Plays 6v6, but is actually just meming with the sticky jumper and loose cannon. Heals everyone, but only to 80% of their hp before giving the good soldier an overheal. Can't get off the point. Can't seem to hear an uncloaking dead ringer spy. Bombs as well, but this time it works and either a medic or sniper are killed before he eventually gets caught between 3 enemies. Does the spycrab. Despite having the worst ping, will end up getting the most objective captures because neither sniper can hit him. Meming slinger engineer. Will probably put his teleporter near a cliff too. It's a 50/50 whether or not this pyro is going to go to the dedicated friendly spot or bumrush the teleporter at spawn. Expect them to use the jetpack.
BLU any day of the week.
Juan Walker
Where was your uber medic?
Caleb Brooks
He will realise how big he fucked up soon or later
Daniel Cox
This. Phlog pyros with uber medics are an incredible combo, only second to the kritz demo.
Carter Bennett
>No argument Quake is literally not hard at all, it was like the first color television programs. People came to gawk at what had just been invented
Yeah, sorry I was trying to melee the three spies behind me only to die from a scout that has less than 5 hours of play time who wasn't even aiming for me.
Joseph Fisher
Shut up and come in or I will slap you
Isaac Collins
>tf2 is a casual game at its core, so the answer is yes. explanation needed, what is the core? how is the core the same if the game is inherently different with arenamode? >feel free to host your own server so you can play arena with the other 7 guys worldwide that have any interest in that garbage. you are just as pathetic as the people that want to remove crits in casual and refuse to play on custom no-crit servers. the option to play arena still exists, why aren't you using it? inb4 'i don't want to be alone :(' projecting 'I am silly' ((argument)) >if you're going to reply again, keep the ad hominem to yourself, all it does is making you look stupid. 'inb4ing your own post'
ahem... NI-
feel free to host your own server so you can play arena with the other 7 guys worldwide that have any interest in that garbage. you are just as pathetic as the people that want to remove crits in casual and refuse to play on custom no-crit servers. the option to play arena still exists, why aren't you using it? inb4 'i don't want to be alone :(' if you're going to reply again, keep the ad hominem to yourself, all it does is making you look stupid.
