ITT: Honest Mains
ITT: Honest Mains
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Fire emblem characters. No gimmicks, no cheap tactics, no projectiles, just good old spacing and mind games
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>Honest Mains
anyone who believes this is retarded
Oh, youre approaching me?
Some of my friends hate that I play him because they get too butthurt. It's funny as fuck too.
You have to admit, counter does attract too many scrubs and feels dishonest.
*parries ikes nair*
I should also add that I win most battles against those butthurt faggots as well. Their salt hardens my cock.
Name a more pure and honest warrior
hi
so you just spam villagers aerials and side b while hiding behind a tree congrats bro were all impressed
Been using him since the first day.
Old Main was the Dorf.
Krillin in DBFZ is the most honest character I can think of.
that's unlimited hakumen
Only honest main in ultimate is C. Falcon. Falcon was a contender in 4, but Rapor boost was dishonest as fuck.,
>maining anyone in Smash
I choose the randomizer every time and I guarantee you I will win 9/10 rounds regardless of who I'm facing.
Except for Ike/Chrom.
the fuck is this shit. looks stupid
b8
That, plus i do godlike things on and offstage. Stay salty, and keep receiving bowling balls to the dome
It's another I play the shit character on purpose and cope by calling it honest thread.
>low tier
>not honest
Literally among the easiest characters to gimp unless you're dumb enough to challenge UpB head-on.
being low tier doesn't change that duck hunt's entire design is gimmick shit
Fuck that zippy rat. Even if the person using it is bad you can still run around the map and avoid a bunch of hits
>ask for honest mains
>everyone just posts their main
People here seem to have a great need to have their main approved. The word "honest" doesn't mean diddly squat
git gud
I haven't played Ultimate yet. How good are my boys Dr Mario, Ganondorf and King Dedede?
Ganondorf and Doc have terrible recoveries, DDD still has his terrible airspeed.
>No bullshit confirms
>No projectiles
>No bullshit priorities
>No bullshit kill throws
>No bullshit recoveries, quite bad actually
>No bullshit mechanics or hitboxes
>No bullshit hyperarmor(Yoshi)
>No bullshit limits
>No bullshit counters
>No bullshit jigglybuff tier aerials
>No bullshit Yoshi kicks
>No bullshit
>No bullshit heese
>No bullshit zoning
>No bullshit
>Just above average air and neutralgame
You might hate them but theyre the epitome of honesty. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Can't get any more vanilla and average than Mario
But do they still punch hard?
Same.
Still use dorf from time to time.
Wish wolf didn't feel slower than ganon now.
At least I still have mew2 and puff.
they hit very hard. you'll have a blast if you play exclusively on wifi.
everything is ok then
I don't understand this meme
always
or, atleast I dont think there is anything dishonest about him.
you are probably no older than 21 years of age.
DDD has been nerfed sadly,
Ganon, however, is actually the best he's been in the series. His extra reach from the sword he now wields is great and he seems harder to launch, surviving high percents. He kills really early too and yes they hit hard. Ganon perhaps a bit too hard.
i feel pretty bad about cargoing someone with a shit recovery. I wouldn't say the most honest man.
Or I never played street fighter.
Never even knew what cargoing was somehow till now, alright nevermind then.
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THE CHAD.
NO ONE CAN REFUTE THE MAC CHAD
>Every Mii encounter is some new unholy abomination of spammable moves with the sole purpose of being a giant memeing faggot
Not honest
The guy on the other side of the lava pit is guile from street fighter. Guile has an invincible anti-air move called flash kick. The input for this is to hold down for about a second and then press up and a kick button. In the picture guile is crouching waiting for Mario to jump so that guile can flash kick him.
Hello friends.
Boy, it sure feels good to be together with all my fellow honest companions
Who needs Booby samurai when you got the Ungachad ?
Says the smash player
Thanks user.
What kind of fag takes their pants off?
K.Rool is also low tier. Doesn't change the fact that his kit is obnoxious as hell. Same for Duck Hunt.
THERE YOU GO
I am honestly in love with this slow, laggy and nigh unviable plant
I have never lost a match with him.
it was an unga ragna player rushing forward and attacking when the hakumen's only victory condition at that point was for the ragna to keep attacking
sometimes the best move is to just chill
Doc feels really fucking good when in a good situation (getting combos, killing) but it’s hell when you’re heavily in disadvantage (getting out sped, trying to recover). The feeling of killing as early as 70 feels too good to pass up though
MACKED
oh to be young again
based
>sole purpose of being a giant memeing faggot
nah i just think they're fun to play
but yeah they're definitely not honest
I play toon link
ive only ever met one person who even played meta knight and he fucking bodied me in quickplay, but the fight still felt fair
She is fun to use
How dare you bring her anywhere near an honest mains thread. Even if such a thing doesn't exist she's possibly the farthest from one.
I would so fuck her if she was my sister
He's hard to play well so I respect it, but he's just boring as fuck to play as or against.
Killer Instinct basically has 0 honest characters.
Spoonfeed someone that doesn't have Ultimate pls
honest holy water edgeguards
>honest mains thead
>first post is fire emblem characters
You brought this on yourself
Multi-hit Nair beats literally everything
honest mains: my main
dishonest mains: everyone else
>good range, fantastic damage, two amazing ranged attacks a double counter, super armor an up smash visable from orbit and great priority, teleport recovery for safe recoveries not to mention everything she uses is safe as long as you aren't a retard while using it
There's a reason they pollute the higher placings in tourneys.
stop ex DPing every time you wiff or connect something
>multi hit nair that combos to almost every other aerial
>that fucking side B
>the range, power and duration on her up smash are insane
>down B is both a counter and a reflector
>windbox on the other smashes can hinder punishes
>dash attack is pretty strong
She's got everything.
a counter and a reflect? Is that even allowed?
spamming fsmash is not a viable strategy
I am convinced that DDD mains are the ones pushing the meme that he is still bad.
How honest of a character is Falco?
Joker is pretty bs as well when landing with Down B and once Arsene is out.
>King K. Rool main
>Working on practicing Daisy to be a secondary
How'd I do?
it's so fucking funny to me when retards complain about dorf. imagine getting hit by moves with that many startup frames. imagine complaining about a character that can be gimped as easily and at as such a low percent as him.
trying to gimp ganondorf feels like a 50/50, Im just as likely to give him the poke of death as I am to get nailed by a fair that sends me all the way to the opposite blast zone
I haven't seen Wolf online nearly as much as I used to, ever since like mid April. What changed?
My Top 5 in Ultimate is
>Palutena
High-Tier Unga
>K. Rool
Low-Mid Unga
>Bowser
Upper-Mid Honest
>Simon
Mid Dishonest but requires skill
>Incineroar
Mid Honest
I guess that's not bad. I played Palu in Sm4sh so I feel less scummy using her than all the bandwagoners, but yeah she just flows so seamlessly. Only non-heavy I've truly enjoyed playing in Smash.
Nothing about Bowser is honest
>cheesy as fuck flamethrower that can easily deal 50%
>near instant command grab that has early kill power
>tough guy armor
>recovery attack out of shield
>superarmor out the ass
>flamethrower
>50%
how fucking bad lmao
I don't have any particular main, but I have been playing around with -
K.Rool
Wolf
Mii Brawler
Pichu
Bowser
That's in order from most frequent to least. I'm thinking about picking up villager again soon since they're so much fun to play.
>There are people that still pick bowser and do the command grab for the entire match
>Even if you take two stocks off them, they still go for the suicide grab
M2K managed to land that in that Squad Strike he placed top 4 in
Couldn't Omen count as a dishonest character since he's partially governed by RNG?
>every Bowser online plays on BF so they can cheese with side b early
This is some bullshit.
Don't worry user, I don't go for Bowsercide. Instead I go for Bowser Bomb ledge mixups that I space incorrectly roughly half the time.
>mfw i have more health than him but he still has enough influence to land it on the top middle platform
>MFW I don't want to Bowsercide, but my opponent forces us into it
>MFW they get mad at ME for it
>claim Mac is Chad
>has the worse recovery in the game
OH NONONONONONO
>flamethrower is finally, FINALLY after 20 years a good move and people complain
what kind of special moves do you use to make them spammable and annoying? the suplex? sorta pic related's axe kick?
Wolf is for Edgelords
I main Joker and Zelda. How dishonest am I?
Walking in on a bottomless WFT! Refusing to cover your eyes or leave, making her have no other option but to pull her shirt down to cover her secret spots! But since she has two secret spots, she has to cover her vagina and reluctantly let her butt be exposed! Teasing WFT about her bare butt! WFT stepping on a lego and accidentally letting go of her shirt for a second, exposing her vagina! WFT turning bright red from embarrassment, and eventually giving up and giving you full view! WFT trying to get back at you by saying things like "I bet it's the first one you've ever seen!" I love embarrassed girls!
It was compete throw away trash garbage until this game.
I want Slippy as a joke character.
>He goes with a shitty Anime character
Honesty-fags can suck my asshole. Just another coping mechanism for losers.
I don't wanna fight 3S Chun either, but playing Q doesn't grant me a moral victory for my 'honesty'.
Learn to lose with dignity, instead of bitching and making excuses.
>I bet it's the first one you've ever seen!" I love embarrassed girls!
Stop this is my fetish
>joker
so many fucking tools that any given player only uses about a third of them, probably the most dishonest character in the game as of this point in time.
>zelda
pretty fucking scammy but after being shit for so long she deserves to at least be decent. if they do something about her fucking reflect she'll be fine.
Is there anything more satisfying then pocketing PK Thunder when Ness or Lucas is trying to recover?
Is Joker really that dastardly? I thought he was tricky but not straight up evil.
Victoream is a very unsettling mamodo.
>Playing Joker
>only 100 points away from Elite with him
>Play against Chrom
>Space him and play keep away by using Side B
>He gets hit by it repeatedly
>Starts to get sloppy and playing aggressively
>Keep hitting him with Side B and running away
>2-stock him without going above 30%
>He SDs his last stock
Why does it feel so good to mage FEfags ragequit?
based
also based
literally every heavy as they are all at a constant disadvantage due to smashes design and therefore require you to outplay your opponent at every turn
He's not tricky, he's pure unga. He has unlimited zoning power with two separate projectiles that power up in his awakened form, ungimpable recovery (one of which is literally just fucking fully invincible because why the fuck not), his smash attacks kill early, his aerials kill early, he even has a kill throw IIRC. Then there's his stupid fucking counter.
DDD V DDD is the most cancerous and dishonest matchup in the entire game
>ungimpable recovery (one of which is literally just fucking fully invincible because why the fuck not),
You can still 2 frame it. It's very satisfying to do. You're right about everything else though, Joker's a pain in the ass to fight.
at least she's not Vatista
The issue is that he's just completely brainless and requires no thought or skill to play. Everything he does is safe, and his kill power is high. The only weak point you could possibly give for him is that he can die kind of early if you eat a smash.
t.shitter
Joker is actually incredibly weak and is lower than Sheik in terms of killing capability. Only when he has Arsene can he land kills below 150% unless you're hyper retarded to get gimped off stage.
>ungimpable recovery
let me guess, you think the belmonts are ungimpable too right?
>ungimpable recovery
The fact that my buddy managed to spike me mid grapple hook pull scares me.
Also he does not have a kill throw and his kill prowess only gets crazy when his persona is out.
God you're shit at the game. What's your rating? 2 mil? He's been out for two weeks already and is basically B- tier at best. Stop blaming characters for your inability to
GIT
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>Also he does not have a kill throw
Its not a super good one but his Back throw is on par with Wolf's for kill power, Down throw also kills earlier than Uthrow for some reaosn
Good taste.
Time to sleep
I have 4.5m with Dedede. The only people who don't think Joker is a good character are the people who play him.
>B-B-BBUT THE MODE
That shit comes builds up fast as fuck and it's incredibly easy to just run around and spam projectiles and counters until you get it. The level of delusion, man.
>Down throw can kill
Shit, that's news to me.
every jigglypuff player:
>DUDE THAT WAS JUST LIKE HBOX
>DUDE OH MY GOD IM HBOX
>OH MY GOD DUDE DID YOU SEE THAT HBOX DOES THAT TOO
>OH MY GOD IM HUNGRYBOX
As a K. Rool player, the one thing about the Joker matchup (he's my friend's new main) that isn't complete hell is getting him offstage and doing that thing where you run off the stage and immediately C-Stick a Bair to spike; it's so good against characters that need to recover low and basically free against most tethers if you time it right.
It doesnt kill till like 180% but it will kill earlier than uthrow despite common sense
Are you retarded? Like, do you have a mental handicap? Joker doesn't have a counter in non-awakened form you fucking ape. His "projectiles" only go out like 2 meters in front of him and his gun has so much endlag it's practcially useless. God you're such a fucking faggot and you absolutely do not have 4.5 mil with DeDeDe and if you do, your average GSP must be like 2.9mil to have slingshotted that stat with your 2 wins on him.
were you playing last night? i was fighting a faggy Paulina player
still had fun though
>THIS fucking defensive "b-b-b-but im not a joker player and hes completely balanced and fair!"
>implying his non-awakened counter isn't a counter
Just stop posting lmfao
>not even Elite
Shit yeah that's exactly what he did to me. When I use Zelda he can't but I find myself getting spiked more than I'd like as Joker.
Only problem is his Palutena makes playing Zelda a total uphill battle for me and I always fail to take his last stock. Meanwhile with Joker it's actually even.
Shame that he's apparently unga, I just wanna be able to match my buddy again.
I didn't say I didn't main him you brainlet. His down-B isn't a counter, it's meter buildup and if you're a fucking mongoloid that stands RIGHT FUCKING NEXT TO HIM when you hit him into it ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE FUCKING PROJECTILES then you are a Retard deserving of a capital "R". See yourself out of this thread and sell your computer and switch because I swear to God idiots like you need to get the fuck off of this website and never play smash again. Fucking christ.
>even fucking madder now that he has to come out and admit he's defending joker because he mains him
>"his down special isn't a counter it just decreases the damage he takes, makes him not flinch from getting hit, does damage to the enemy that hit him, and builds his meter! totally not a counter!"
Extremely fucking big lol
4.55m is literally elite? Are you so fucking bad that you don't have a single character and elite and thus don't know what the cutoff is?
Nice rhetoric you fucking ape. Literally have no point left to argue except by whimpering out a "lol". God, someone should do you a favor and put a bullet between your eyes and drop you in a ditch somewhere like the dog you are.
I havent played quickplay since the plant and most of my characters are still in Elite, I assumed the worst and rounded down rather than up
How do I effectively play WFT? I really want to main her.
No, my point is that his unawakened counter is a counter, no matter how mad you are and no matter how many insults you write. Be better lmao
Epic retard lmao
Yeah and it's fun to do it too
I miss albino black sheep.
1v1 me faggot
They meant when he's using his persona. He's intangible for the majority of that move.
I want to impregnate WFT!
Literally the most honest character in the entire series.
>Slow
>Bad recovery that makes it easy to edgeguard him
>No projectiles so he can't camp
>Bad airspeed so he can't just circlecamp with a lead
>Relies on getting reads
The only character as honest is Doc.
no damage OR kill power.
nice combination
>if she was my sister
What if she wasn't?
Good riddance, one of the most unfun characters to fight against in any smash game, hell even now that she is useless she is still cancer to play against. ZSS deserved the same level of nerfs
>Post a non fighting game
You first OP.
wasn't her fault the entirety of smash 4 was lame except for her
she deserves to come back now that everyone can do some good combos
I still don't
33 year old boomer here who grew up with 64 and can't comprehend smash now, I feel like goddamn Bill Cosby
"SMASH BROS? with the z-reverse and the dropgrab and the 1-frame ledge and the flip-bop-a-zoo-wop"
The best
her frame data is still unga bunga tier, if she got buffed it would be Smash 4 all over again
I don't get people who say "just parry Ike's Nair"
You have a 5 frame window for parrying, and any good Ike player won't just use Nair at the exact same time every time, and that's not even getting into emptyhop shenanigans.
t. Ike Main
>Joker
>B-tier
Without Arsene maybe. Joker with Arsene is the 2nd strongest character in the game, behind only full Aura Lucario. If either of them had their full power on 24/7, they'd be as busted as Smash 4 Bayo or 64 Pikachu.
Doc is on another level of fucking honest.
>No gimmicks
>shit recovery (that’s worse than Ganon’s)
>actually requires combo knowledge (unlike Ganon who has piss easy combo’s)
>shit fucking range, so requires perfect spacing and hard reads in order to pull of kills
>will forever be ignored in patch notes
>gets gimped easiest in the game other than Incineroar, Mac, and MAYBE Luigi.
>Projectile is a combo tool that takes correct positioning to pull off. Can’t be spammed willy nilly.
Atleast Ganon has range. He has nowhere near the amount of honesty that Doc has. High respect for those guys.
You swordies are what make me main yoshi more to be honest. You mother fuckers hate my eggs so god damn much you'd believe that he smuggles heroin across the border with them. You guys are always the ones that complain about yoshi being annoying and for that reason I have resentment against any of your kind.
Eat shit haha
>and any good Ike player won't just use Nair at the exact same time every time
thats the thing, nobody on Yea Forums is ever going to play against a good ike player, hell most of the people ITT probably think getting Elite with their main is an achievement rather than the cutoff for gay baby jail
shut up nigga, just play a spacie or swordie and see how easy it is to kill the turtle lol
sheik may have been to tier in 4, but she was not dominant(at least at the end). her crazy combos and damage were balanced well by her killing problem. It forces her to fish for certain moves all while trying her damned hardest not to get killed early by your Rage, which could be tough considering how light she is. A true glass cannon
He has combos but you need frame perfect timing for them to actually work.
Honestly, I just wish they'd nerf Sonic to her level. I'm happy with where Sheik and Diddy are, but Sonic and ZSS need to be dumpstered, and Bayo could use a buff to reach their level. Having them be low-mid tier is perfect, since they're absolute cancer to fight.
Sonic is literally the ONLY character I'd rather fight less than Sheik or her new clone.
Based
I play DDD though and I have Bowser and DK as secondaries
>Ganon
>Piss easy combos
Name them, please. I've only found sour-spot N-air to combo into anything useful, and even then it's not guaranteed. Same with flame choke, unless you get an aerial slam. You've gotta figure out which way they tech to catch them, and that requires mad fucking reads.
hoping for nerfs for characters that give you trouble is scrub shit
Die
Sonic isn't even high tier so he's never going to be played competitively. No one enjoys playing against him, and no one who plays him competitively has any fun. People who only drink water are more fun than Sonic mains. Absolutely disgraceful.
Fucking based, Best girl and most interesting gameplay. Which skin do you use user? Red cloth and blond hair here.
I main super heavies so Sheik is pretty much free wins since she has literally one move that can kill me and its easy to react to. I just fucking hate her gameplay because I have to respect every fucking button she presses
you play online a lot? there's no other way characters that are as bad as Sheik give you so much trouble
unless you just suck that bad
>one win away from elite as ganondorf
>matchmaking pulls out an inkling for me to fight
no other character has a matchup this bad. dorf will always be the worst character in the game.
Pink since 4.
just call out their defensive bairs with some DORYAHs. The average inkling doesnt have the brainpower to process someone actually challenging it
Down throw at low percents can combo into basically anything. Neutral air, sometimes forward air, even fucking dash attack which can than lead into a regrab. You’re always guaranteed to get a good 30-60% off a 2-4 follows up attacks. While I don’t really hate Ganon, he gets rewarded for the smallest mistakes his opponent makes, so if you aren’t much faster than him or are a character that gets trapped easier you can get fucked hard
I think we can all agree that this is the adequate hype rankings for seeing a skilled player of these characters.
>tfw used to use red Robin
I went with pink in smash 4 as well but blond with red looks way better than red with red. Pink is my other go to when I wanna switch things up.
>sheik that low
Have you seen VoiD's? Sheik is fuckin sick
Is she considered honest?
Sheik sucks, but I've fought my fairshare of good Sheiks, and they're just as obnoxious as ever. I remember fighting a really good Sheik in Elite the first night Piranha Plant came out, and I was getting my shit pushed in. The only reason I won was because Sheik is a shit character and Piranaha Plant can tell her Fair-plane bullshit to take a hike.
>tfw D and E tier
You’re sleeping on high skill ROB play
High level Ness mains are alot more fun to fight then their quickplay cousins
Is Piranha Plant a bad character or am I ass?
I keep losing against every projectile spammer
ITT Smash scrubs think their main is honest as an excuse to justify things they can't play around or deal with
I've fought plenty in Elite, and they're obnoxious. I like playing ROB myself, but don't fucking lie to me and say you don't fish for grabs while spamming gyro. That's 90% of ROBs I see/fight.
t. low level shitter who gets bullied by swords, rodents, and PK kids
>online
dont take it too seriously. netcode is awful. under lag, speed and offence is king, something that Sheik is really good at. Plant, being as bad as he is, is already at a disadvantage without having to consider extra input lag forcing his defensive playstyle to get even worse
I'm so sorry. Which color do you use now?
She still has all the same tools as Sm4sh, they just made them all really bad. Tier placement and the concept of "honesty" are completely independent of one another.
Both.
>Knock opponent offstage
>They have to come back low
>Snipe them from space with ball
Alternately,
>Start a deep breathing I know will be slow
>Opponent thinks they're getting a free grab or dash attack
>spot dodge into Fsmash
i want to see
All rats must fucking hang
t. plays Lucas/Ness exactly like in this video
The pink looks too good on her for me to use anything else. I saw her in it on the first day of playing 4 and knew she was going to be my main thanks to it and her fun gameplay.
Miis are generally dishonest, but actually cosplaying as a videogame character can allow you to reclaim your honesty
Are there any other characters that have gravity based snipes like DDD and Wii Fit Trainer? Its easily my favorite feature in a character
The new Red Robin is a travesty. She should've been entirely red so I could continue LARP'ing as a Red Robin waiter while pissing off my friends.
>Brawler is the most fun Mii
>Also the worst
>They cut all the good costumes from Sm4sh
>Only one they brought back is Knuckles
>Still no low-poly Akira costume
>Wonder Red Brawler almost as never ever as Wonder Red himself
ROB
Any of the Links
Mega Man
PAC MAN NIGGA
changed to my personal taste
That’s gay
Yeah that's true, I guess to me the new red robin looks more like an actual mage or something. But pink is fun to roll with too.
I'll be honest I have no idea what you are talking about user.
what does Megaman use? I cant think of anything he uses that is effected by gravity
pirahna plants neutral b
Do you think I'm wrong? There's a reason why the vast majority of the posters are Smash players. Probably don't even go to tournament either.
Yellow Robin, I still miss red Robin though.
there's no such thing as a more genuine, honest, soul-bearing main than this
see
Why are you shilling your shitty video here?
Mario
he'shonest
He's also eternally stuck in low tier. It makes me sad.
I'm not sure what 'honest' means but R.O.B. is my boy
I miss UMvC3
nothing honest about having the most obnoxious projectiles in the game, even more annoying than Snake
Has been since the first game, and will continue to be, my bro.
>even more annoying than Snake
let's not get fucking excited there lmao
>no bullshit counters
>no bullshit jigglybuff tier aerials
shiggy
I (user you replied to) use him as one of my mains since melee.
I don't actually think he needs to be nerfed or anything. Heavies pay the price for power.
Sometimes those early kills just feel a little dirty is all
>"most obnoxious projectiles in the game"
>A laser that moves at 2 miles per hour
>A top you don't even need a reflector to hit R.O.B. with
>apparently more annoying than NOW.png
>Not even mentioning R.O.B.s down throw that fucking buries people now
smells like BAD in here
Recoveries are for virgins who plan on having their assholes smashed off stage.
>no other character has a matchup this bad
Simon/Richter vs. Pichi/Pikachu
Pac-Man/Villager vs. Rosalina
Captain Falcon vs. Captain Olimar
Everyone of these is way worse than Ganon vs. anyone.
actual MK mains feel so rare, since no one knows how to juggle and normies just spam his tornado and down B, he's fun to play just he's not the most appealing and "haha brawl broken!"
MK main myself
im a homo but arcueid is legitimately so fucking beautiful that it physically hurts me to look at her.
how DO you juggle with MK? his up-b feels so weak and easily gotten out of
no wait i mean his uair
>pummel joker
>his rebellion bar maxes out in one grab
>pummel him while he's awakened
>bar goes down this much | |
hmm
Personally I wait a little longer for their percent to rise up, but dashing and then maybe a Nair? Gets them into position for you to be able to start. You also gotta be fast with it and can't give 'em any breathing time
Not likely.
Playing rosalina against the mother boys is close second.
My favorite
I've played jiggs since melee and have no idea who or what jbox is.
I'm guessing some eceleb.
Believe it or not smash was popular before whatever kiddy youtube trash you're upset about
hitting them with it the next stock and chaining it into a slingshot string that forces them to recover again, letting you repeat the cycle of pain and suffering
>Gigantic armor-monster grappler that ALSO has the closest thing to viable zoning in the game
>Still honest and most players of the game agree on that
I fucking love Broly. Jiren too.
>No gimmicks, no cheap tactics
What the fuck do you think counters are.
Master:
the volley ball and all it's timings and modified trajectories, Dsmash and bury.
Meditate when enemies who are hard to gimp off stage are off stage after you've launched them.
Blast short hopping fags and getups with salute the sun for added heals.
>finally get smashu months behind everyone else
>pick ganondorf as my main purely because i liked the aesthetic and playstyle
>come to Yea Forums and i find out hes a meme
Fuck.
>Villager
>honest
He's a meme, but you should still play him. He's fun as fuck. In fact, after I picked him up, every other character feels unsatisfying. Nobody else has as delicious of impact as him. It's not easy to win with him, but the satisfaction is unmatched.
Earthbound vs rosalina is worse.
Her black hole eats all pk, even recoveries.
dear marth mains:
please stop being better at ledge guarding and stage control than i am
You could cargo throw in 64.
You know I was going to put PT, but the more I think about it they have a lot of cheese. The only honest one is Squirtle, but he has water gun and can gimp bad recoveries for free.
I agree which makes it so much better that she's also fun to play.
>bitching about the fucking fire breath of all things
Literally just walk away and stop pushing into it if you do get hit
And you know he has tough guy so stop spamming your jabs on him.
t. Bowser main
Ever see K Rool vs Villager?
How do you even know if you're close?
it sucks to not be able to spam your projectiles back at him, and it's the worst when you unconsciously use your crown and he just takes it. but i don't think that matchup is impossible, especially since you can reflect his shit with your counter.
the threshold is around 4.55m right now.
My main, but I sometimes feel dirty playing her.
So many of her attacks actually cover behind her.
Up tilt?
Ass hitbox
FSmash?
Get backhanded
Fair?
Better watch them toes boy
At least two or three times a match I'll make an incorrect read on an opponent but still rack up some damage on complete accident
>when every game your main gets removed or changed so much you don't even know how to play their new version
>have to start over everytime
>each time not as good as the last
Throwing it back at them and watching them fly off the screen
Honestly, she was fine in Smash 4
As an ex-meleefag there was nothing worse than waiting a year for down throws to finish and getting forward aired into another dimension
Camping is NOT honest, neither is that down b power up shit. I would honestly like to sniff her asscrack though if you know what I mean.
If you're dying to counter often you just suck straight up. Nothing dishonest about it you got read. It's easy as fuck to punish if you aren't retarded.
Melee Player here. Just watched Dabuz win. How does it feel knowing your game went the same route as melee. We have ics and puff. You have olimar and snake. We might actually have it better though.
Duck Hunt is not low tier jesus christ. People thought this in smash4 too but Raito proved you wrong and he's doing so again.
They're bad and get punished hard as fuck.
Literally only good against certain characters Recovery
Dont let the goyim know you retard
Robin's colours got neutered in this game. Same with Lucina, every colour looked better in the last game.
As fun as duck hunt is to play, you can play like an annoying asshole, or even set up kills around 30%
You can even touch of death some opponents if you can get your can timing down.
At zero percent you can someone into a can, blow it up, then land a smash attack. That's already 50 fucking percent.
Falcon/Falco/Marth in Melee, Wolf in PM
PM Wolf is easily the most fun I've ever had with the Smash franchise.
>What the fuck do you think counters are.
Useless, that´s what they are.
The threat of a counter honestly does more than the counter itself.
Who's the artist? This is unacceptably good.
sakimichan, it's in the image
I can't see too well. I'm on mobile and zooming in makes the images blurry. Cheers.
Ult has balance patches that would prevent things like wobbling.
Waft and Bike are fucky, though Bike got a bit better this time around with how it's not spammable.
Olimar's getting nerfed, Snake's not nearly as good as everyone thinks and still has losing matchups.
Melee is dead.
>Winning tournies in anyway affecting where you are on the tier list
LMAO
>miis so unhype they're not even on the list
accurate
He hasn't even won any important tournaments it's about showcasing what the character can do you moron.
Protip there's not honest female character in fighting games. Remember being low tier is not in anyway indicative of being honest though on average female fighters probably average higher in tier lists imo.
lets not lie now
Dishonest, but she is definitely fun to play.
Wii Fit Trainer and Isabelle are honest.
They're also boring as shit.
The Cap
>Fishing Hook
>Honest
Get fucked
One of the worst specials in the game?
Git gud and shield it.
Bayo's is still awful, but everyone else's is perfectly fine.
This
Revenge and Tetrakarn are extremely good.
>literally every FE character aside from Robin has counters
>swordies have retarded range on their normals that stuff out 90% of every other character's attacks
>ridiculous frame data ensures that it's still their turn after hitting like 3 moves on shield
Yeah, "honest"
Perhaps a bit TOO honest.
It feels like he's too fucking honest in a game where almost every good character is dishonest.
You're fucking trash lmao, literally use his top against him. The laser is ok at best.
probably better than you faggot
only for abusing on projectiles for free murder juice
Your 100% right. If you main puff, the only way to win is to read your opponent like a book and punish their dumb decisions.
>GO!
>immediately run to the edge and soccer ball
>honest
>slow command grab that gets blocked by shields and opens your ass up for endless suffering if you whiff
>dishonest
>blocked by shields
they literally only use that shit to edgeguard, and if it's coming for you in the air there's literally nothing you can do.
just recovery high bro
Belmonts. I don't care how you feel about projectiles. They have slow everything and abysmal recovery options. You have to fight for your wins with the Belmonts.
Belmont matches always end super quick and you can never count either player out even when one is multiple stocks down. always a good time
>all these smashbabbies whining because the basic mindgame that parries introduce is too much for them
lmao learn not to be predictable dumb smash babbies. parries don't even get you much in this game. if you are good then you will have the other person afraid to throw out parries because either they can't predict you or they thought they could and got punished hard for it.
Sup niggas
literally one post ITT talks about parries you sperglord
literally nobody does parries intentionally
I tried Palu in 4 for a while but had more FFAs so I eventually picked up Robin. Then I pick up Palu day 1 in Ultimate and she feels a lot better, and then turns out to be good.
Shame the fact doesn't stop people from calling us tier whores though
Lucina is unironically honest. No gimmicks, incredibly straightforward, she's just really good.
That being said my boy Marth could use some buffs so Marth vs Lucina can actually be a discussion again.
I'm amazed he didn't mention the SideB that kills stupid early off the stage
I'm still mad they took out Red Robin to the point where I rarely pick Robin anymore.
>Olimar's getting nerfed
He got indirectly buffed last patch
On the condition that you've played against him enough to realize shadow sneak is actually a really punishable telegraphed shit move in most cases.
Because they also do something against projectiles. And Tetrakarn is limited to Persona only.
what is it with Greninja and Fox mains that they just refuse to approach and only go for nair>dtilt>fair/bair setups?
What do counters have to do with honesty? Is Ganon not honest just because he has a useless special move too?
You uh got a source on that pic buddy
He's extremely fun, but you can't rematch people with him. He relies so heavily on the opponent having no clue what he does at all.
because they don't have much else they can safely do outside of those in neutral, except use their projectile, but for both of them the projectile usually doesn't do much for long either
but yeah they're in kind of a weird spot where they use their speed to play kind of campy. I don't think it ever really feels unfair though, because they won't really kill you anytime early either if you keep paying attention.
I'm definitely biased, but being fun to play against is definitely one of the reasons I stuck with Greninja, and I feel that fun pretty accurately reflects a character's honesty.
Seconding this, heard one user mention it's futa once.
I play Olimar
I'm maining a cheap character and you fuckers can't stop me
I wouldn't mind Inkling that much if the game just automatically mashed out of bury instead of asking me to wreck my controller
also once they nerf bair your whole character becomes trash so good luck with that
>splatoon: using a grenade takes up more than half of your ink
>smash: using a grenade takes up .05% of your ink
whys it like that huh
Is there anything Ridley can do against Joker? It feels so unwinnable.
who /darkhunter/ here?
rack up percentage and then use heavy hits to launch him offscreen, the more percentage they have the easier they become to launch
she's honest but pretty terrible. at least she's sexy
>nair
>nair
>fair
>fair
>fair
>dair
>up b
>taunt
samus/dark samus shitters are in no way honest
...fuck you user
Ryu/Ken players are the only honest people in smash
I like seeing good Ryu/Kens online that can actually good the combos like they're actually playing street fighter, losing to them doesn't feel so bad
wobbling is getting banned slowly. Olimar will forever be annoying to fight.
>Ic's not nearly as good as every thinks and still has losing matchups
Hardly see anyone play her. Her anti air is ridiculous.
It's not actually street fighter if Ken isn't DPing on my shield over and over again and gets away with it
He's a tournament player, considered the best Melee Jigglypuff player in the world. Won quite a few majors. That would be why some people compare every Jigglypuff main to him.
I just got DBFZ earlier this week, and I'm still messing around with what characters I want to use (besides Yamcha because regardless of whether he's honest or not I have to represent my favorite). What are some other honest DBFZ characters for me to consider?
ITT: Scrubquotes
I play jiggs and I hate the guy.
Dancing blade coming out as fast as it does AND being a kill move is some actual bullshit.
That's nice, sweetie.
Hbox has been a big name in the Smash scene since before you've been alive
The absolute state of zoomer newfags.
A meme that's unanimously agreed to be fun as hell. Just play the game how you want, Yea Forums is full of retards you don't their approval.
Dark Samus main, been a Prime fag since Prime 1 and I seek to beat the shit out of literally anyone.
If you're a spamming Metroid main you're a disgrace to the main
every time
Inkling & Little Mac
>Only when he has Arsene can he land kills below 150%
You mean like 50% of the Match if not more? He gets Arsene way too easy and keeps it for way too long for it to be any kind of issue if you actually know how to play the game.
That sword is the most filthy, sinister shit and I love it.
You sound bad
It's rough for sure, Joker's slippery and Ridley's kinda built for hard punishes. My advice is to try going for kills earlier. Someone online mentioned he starts killing with his smashes as early as 50-60% sometimes. It might seem like weird advice, but I've been playing with that mindset the past couple of days and it's actually helped a lot.
>Eating clocks
>Honest
I feel like i'm not playing him correctly since it takes till like 150% until i actually kill
How do i get good Yea Forumsros
nl is that you
They're also fun as fuck for the crowds
>went to Smash Ball 2019
>austrian Richter player shows up
>entire venue goes TAKE THIS everytime he does down b
who?
Nice game, smashfags.
dont roll into a warlock punch next time dummy
Like 30 seconds before that post was made i ran into a villager in quickplay who didnt KO me until 150%
>Use one the most agile characters in the entire game
>Somehow get hit by Warlock Punch in 1v1
Are you by any chance a game journalist?
What's up, fuckers
What mechanics don't I understand that makes even other heavy characters feel like they can juggle or combo DDD when I can't do the same to them? It feels like they ignore his recovery frames and keep smashing even when he's been knocked down and about to get up from attacks, the time where he should be free to at least get back up
Nah that isn't me
Nothing much hbu
That's because you don't know what is happening. It's relatively hard to pull off and it has the most specific of conditions. You also NEVER see this at high level play.
>Bottomless girls
That's my fetish, you asshole.
Man I want to fuck Samus
Street Fighter was a cultural phenomenon. Here is a comparison for your zoomer brain, fortnite dances. Everyone knows what they are even if they don't play it.
Basically, just shut the fuck up bro.
>one guy makes it to semis and finals while 2~3 other barely make it past pools
not low tier guize!!
use image search
that's the whole thing
Ah I don't follow esport/eceleb trash
That would explain my lack of insight about some guy who plays video games.
The only Mii I can stand. Fuck gunner and swordsman.
I watched this video today so your cropping won't save you.
>Gets shield broken
>On the edge
>Reverse aerial warlock punch
They deserved what they got.
I love how balanced the game is, when you really think about the size of the roster it's amazingly balanced.
For instance, the FE characters have counters, Mac has incredible power but a bad recovery and Ganondorf players have an amazing powerhouse but are all virgins and will die alone!
Literally zero reason to play anyone else
>This is unacceptably good.
lol
edgue guard more agressively, your recovery can get you out of any depth
If K Rool is such a good character how come I kicked his ass in DKC?
It's okay zoomer, he streams too.
Not a member of the Smash Brony community, what the fuck is an “honest main”
I main both of these idiots, and they're way too honest for their own good.
Essentially a character with a simple, clear method of winning a fight. Like Ryu or The FE characters, who will not rely on janky shit.
Although in reality it just means 'ME BETTER BECAUSE ME PLAY MORE GRUG'
wtf you talkin about. Theres not alot of BS in KI.
Based jobbermain
METSU
>he doesn't know how to jump and grab
Ken vs Pichu
You don't know true hell until all of your kill confirms are too high to land on Pichu and he still falls out of shoryu easily for some fucking reason
Honestly? I think Corrin is fucking fun and gets shit on for being an Fire Emblem character even though she's way more than just Marth clone #5.
>played her alot despite her terrible in 4 because I liked her mechanic and specials
>she's super solid in Ultimate without changing up those mechanics too much
>get shitted on for playing her because hurr durr you only play her because she's good
You just can't win the game of life can you?
learn what honest means in the context of fighting games dumb smashkiddy.
Nobody shits on Corrin, fighting him/her/it is far more enjoyable than pretty much any other FE barring Robin since you actually do more than shorthop fairs/nairs
based and gumpilled.
>that image
>Nobody shits on Corrin
>Nobody shits on Corrin
In what fucking reality? People still shit on Corrin for being an advertisement character and getting in as DLC in 4 despite the proven-to-be-meaningless polls. He got more way shit for being a completely original character with a completely originally moveset just because he was from Fire Emblem than most clones got shit for being lazy reskins.
Can we all agree that fighting Yoshi is anti-fun?
Yes and the Belmonts to
Thank god I main a character with pocket or i had to kill myself when i fought them
Hahahahahaha holy shit man
Yes.
>Literally impossible to punish in the air
>Entire kit safe on shield
>Will jack off to him as soon as the match is over
hol up
>mobiletard doesn't understand what chad means
go back any time
Greninja is my boy. He doesn't feel too gimmicky either.
>Bowser main
>Aka I'm not interesting enough of a person to actually learn a decent character
>WFT will never sit on your face
Sauce?
Chadondorf obviously.
...
Palutena/Marth I am not touching Lucina, that's disgusting in Smash
Chipp Zanuff in Guilty Gear Xrd
Cammy in Street Fighter V
Bardock/Vegeta/Teen Gohan in DBFZ
Benimaru/Angel/Oswald in KoF XIV
Ultimate Sing is dishonest
It's functionally just a safe rest
hell awaits
Imagine being so autistic that you want characters to be unplayable because they were top tier.
who
based, i main him too
>zoomer
>for not watching streamers/esports
I think you got your memes mixed up pal
>lower kill power than shiek
You have actually made me lose respect for joker players you tremendous victim
>character I don’t like is dishonest
>but my favorite character is “honest”
*beeps in your direction*
Sing is a free rest and is infinitely less punishable and safer. Ultimate Puff isn't honest
>good old spacing
>implying fire emblem characters having the most amount of melee range isn’t a gimmick
The fact that so many of them have fast, low wind up attacks that cover their entire hitbox doesn’t help
Thecharacyers with no gimmicks are characters like Ryu/Ken who risk as much as they are rewarded for any set of tactics
Fire Emblem characters are pretty braindead outside of Marth/Lucina and Robin
>move with ridiculously forgiving time window that rewards being bad at the game and not knowing how to parry
>what’s wrong with counters
The issue is that Counters for FE characters need to have way shorter opportunity windows for the reward they give. Or at least just make it have a “soft” effect like Bayonetta or Icineroar’s counters where the counter gives an implicit effect that isn’t just an auto-parry into double-smash attack
That's how this shit always works, user
Just like how DLC characters you like are cool and relevant and the ones you dislike are terrible choices
It's because Dedede has the slowest airspeed in the game and your only landing option is nair which everyone is prepared for.
His recovery is pretty good for a heavy if you recover low, you can survive forever because of the super armor on upb. So it's not a problem that they rack up % so easily.
If you're getting punished when getting up it's because you're predictable with your options.
If i'm being honest. Donkey Kong has been my main since Smash 64. I love DK and all but i'm a waifushitter so I wish I could comfortably settle into playing one of the cute girls but I always go back to DK for the sheer power. I just know him better than anyone else, like an old friend.
Bros before hos I guess.
I'd absolutely agree if Waft wasn't quite such "Wait for a minute, then just steal a stock" button. Even then that could be argued against since it's basically a one time use in 2 or 3 stocks and if it misses it's gone. So I guess I'll give it to you... For now.
Not s puff main, but I disagree. Sing leaves her WIDE open for projectiles and Aerials.
Before you get mad, I play mostly heavy weights.
>treating Smash Bros like anything other than a party game for friends
Now that's dishonest.
"I have no idea what you're talking about so I'm better than you" - this guy
fucking exactly, the argument that a character is bad because of recovery or good solely because of it is literally retarded. Get in hits, stay towards the center of the stage and recoveries don't even come into play. Little mac is genuinely good.
No no no you're doing it wrong
You're meant to pick the Pink Villager alt colour
So many people keep saying Wario is godly in ultimate just because of his air game.
Wario has only been getting lower and lower in tiers after he was godly in brawl
He was actually at his worst in brawl, every character could kill him from a grab, in smash 4 he was better but because of all the swordies counter playing his short range he went low tier, in ultimate, they kept swordies high tier, so they decided to just buff everything for Wario, now he's just better than everyone and the swordies are the only thing that can stand up to him.
Play street fighter you uncultured swine
The definition of honest is Melee Captain Falcon. He will just out neutral you in a plain and obvious way every time cause you are slower than him. That's it.
It's a shame they nerfed his down smash so it's not nearly as good as a ledge guarding option. Also, I'm glad that they gave him a non-freefall side+B, but not being able to use it more than once in the air (even after gimp) is just a pain.
Lucina is literally a brianlet Marth
The tip gimick of Marth reward spacing, while Lucina does almost the same damage while spaming side b and aereals
>He says this when the roller exist
He has the best character theme in all of gaming. You can't disagree with this and not be a faggot, it's impossible
>Main Mega Man and K Rool
>Pocket DK
I'm okay with this list