Daily reminder that this shoe-repelling literal faggot piece of shit shill got playable before your most wanted

Kirby has been in since the first game

>most reviled character in the franchise
>widely considered the worst reveal ever
>posterboy for unwanted shill characters getting free passes into Smash thanks to bias
>shit tier in Ultimate. probably the worst swordie in a game where swords are almost universally high tier, thus is only played by footfags
>was the tipping point that made Smash fans hate FE in Smash
The only good thing that came from this character is that now Sakurai will hold off on more shill FE characters.

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What's his game anyways? I hate fe but I'd like to hear what a FEfag has to say about that game. Anyone?

>”The only good thing that came from this character is that now Sakurai will hold off on more shill FE characters.”
>Sakurai announces Chrom

Chrom got in because of the memes made back in Sm4sh time. Can only blame whoever made them.
and Sakurai bias of course

Dragons are cool.

Smash has shilled since Melee

Conquest is okay. All the other Fates are garbage. Only thing positive you can say about BR and Rev is that it's better than Awakening which isn't hard to do

Fuck off retard, My SOUL man has been in since the beginning

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>and that's a good thing!

Corrin is the only character reveal I can think of in the history of Smash that has disappointed me. Even characters I don't care about at all can at least be an okay thing, but Corrin's retarded mug was the last thing I wanted to see.

Don't really have time to elaborate (and there is a lot to cover) but one point that sticks out to me right now is that almost every facet of the plot hinges on every single character involved being a massive retard and making some of the most illogical decisions I've ever seen in a plot that takes itself as seriously as Fates tries to.

>Awakening gets its own victory theme
>Corrin gets his own victory theme
I don't mind Awakening as much but I guess nobody can resist any opportunity to shill Lost in Thoughts All Alone.

Gameplay-wise it's an improvement over Awakening, but the plot gets insufferable at times and never makes it past passable.

BIG BROTHER

It’s crazy how you can replace the word “sword” with “melee” and “FE” with “Pokemon”, and this entire post can easily apply to Incineroar as well, but nobody will come out and admit it. For what reason, I have no idea.

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IS NOW

Probably because Pokemon is a lot more beloved and brings non-sword characters.
I mean comparing Pokemon to FE is absurd.

People intentionally forget that Roy was also a blatant shill FE pick in Melee but "he's our boy xDD"

Roy and Ike weren't paid DLC, they both never should have gotten in Smash either though.
Incineroar is second to Corrin but Corrin is still worse considering the timing of his reveal.
>announced in the direct that would reveal the ballot winner, meaning instead of Bayo and Corrin we could have had 2 voted on fighters
>2nd FE DLC character, the only actual first party DLC fighter that wasn't a veteran
>game wasn't even close to relese in the west, people were still calling him Kamui over here
>was chosen to be the shill rep because of game release timing even though Splatoon and Star Fox Zero (among other games) were released in the same time frame

Everyone knows Gamefreak forced Incineroar in to shill toys though, I don't disagree with you, but Pokemon is the biggest multimedia franchise in history while FE is still niche.

This, fuck Melee, easily the worst Smash game since it introduced shilling.

Not only with Roy, but many of the trophies were also from newly released or upcoming games, such as Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Kururin, Cubivore, Wave Race Blue Storm and such.

Especially how you had to fucking buy Pikmin JUST to get the Olimar trophy, fucking disgusting.

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What were they thinking with that sword? Unless it's a magic casting sword like the Levin Sword.

>Corrin got playable before Corrin

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So kind of mixed feelings about it huh? That makes it worse. Then again I'm sure what FEfags truly want is different weapon types, right?

It won’t happen user. Nintendo are dumb but they aren’t dumb enough to add an 8th fucking FE character.

False: my most wanted were Little Mac and Megaman, and they BOTH got in before her (formerly him)

This post only reminds me how stupid it is that wielding a sword is the requirement to become a playable FE character in Smash. I think the reception of FE in Smash wouldn't be quite as bad as it is if most FE playables didn't feel like some spin off of Marth's moveset.

It's not. Far as I know it's just a chainsaw sword that glows for some reason.

Greninja is worse for me. I don't think XY was even out when he got announced.

>wanted to play Cubivore because I was intrigued by the Melee trophy
>tracked down a 5 dollar copy back then
>don't have to shell out 200 fucking dollars for it today
Thanks melee shilling

>Roy returns in 4 due to fan demand
>the next 6 months are smashfags losing their shit over how much they hate FE
>including whining about it in threads that had nothing to do with FE whatsoever
>going on long rants because they triggered themselves over the POSSIBILITY of a 6th character

>I was expected to feel sympathy for them after this

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I don't see what's wrong with having a cute fighter with bare feet?

XY was out for a few months after his reveal, he WAS chosen before we even knew XY was a thing though. Pokemon and FE have consistently gotten shill reps but at least for Pokemon the series is massive.

>fan demand
>implying anyone but like 6 memers spouting ROYS OUR BOY wanted another Marth clone in the game after Lucina
No one wanted Roy after Mewtwo got back in. Wolf, Snake, Ice Climbers and PT were all much more requested than Fire Marth, Sakurai just put Roy back in because he's an FE fag.

That's the thing about Pokemon. Being so massive basically everyone likes it to some degree. I may dislike Greninja but I ended up liking Incineroar and Trainer. This is true for everyone, I'm sure there's a pokemon they prefer more so they simply ignore the ones they don't.
Meanwhile if you dislike anime shit you're fucked because that's all the FE appeal.

Wolf got cut because he was recycled shit and because Star Fox was considered dead at the time, the latest game came out in 2006 at the time

Incineroar is used by footfags?

Personally I want Veronica.

>Wolf was cut because he was recycled
>but Roy is okay

My most wanted is a shit pick in hindsigt, he has no reason to be in

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Because the only people who try to claim "melee" as a bad thing are buttmad swordniggers. Name one other wrestle based character in Smash. You can't. The closest is Mac who is a boxer. I don't even like Incineroar, but it brings way more variety to Smash than any of the Fire Emblem characters.

Which is the saddest part. Because even with the swords only rule, they could have added someone like Lyn who uses iaido. Which even if she played functionally the same as the others, would at least be aethestically different enough to not be as insulting as five Marths. Or if Sakurai really wanted to try he could have added a mounted character. But Sakurai doesn't want to try with FE characters. And that is the problem. It's quantity over quality.

Fire Emblem is much more popular than Star Fox and had games at the time, SF was dead shit and only liked by furfags and degenerates

BIG SISTER

WOW

Fuck Baracat, if Sakurai wanted a wrestle based character why didn't he choose a character from Pro Wrestling on NES?

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Wolf was cut because his model was ugly and his moves wonky and required more work than just Falco.

Wait wasn't Corrin added to promote fates?

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EVEN BETTER

but I wanted Corrin in the game

then I actually played Fates and I regret it

THIS user IS BASED AS FUCK

incineroar isn't a shill character, you're thinking of lucario and greninja. based roar is in because sakurai wanted him, simple as. by the time ultimate came out, if they were trying to shill something, they would have added eevee, melmetal, or a gen 8 pokemon instead.
incineroar isn't generic swordsman #5000 either. as a wrestler, he adds a unique function to the game that wasn't previously being filled. if rosterfags actually cared about gameplay, they'd realize that.
finally, pokemon is a $90 billion franchise, the biggest franchise in media. it makes perfect sense for them to keep getting characters. and the characters that get in from pokemon are visually and mechanically unique from the rest of the roster. it's the anti-fire emblem in every way.

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This is getting old

fire emblem and star fox have sold about the same overall, even though star fox is a younger franchise with fewer games.

I'm still angry that they added a 2nd fire Pokemon instead of a Grass Starter

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Honestly I'm glad Sceptile never made it in. The Hoenn shilling during Gen 6 was unbearable.

>not enjoying every character.
Do you enjoy always being angry or something?
just chill out and ignore it if you don't like it, go play your main

rosterfags' reactions if sakurai picked one of those characters instead:
>LITERALLY WHO?
>sakurai is a hack! he needs to stop wasting roster spots on characters nobody asked for!
>it's not banjo/geno/isaac, so it's shit!
>ugh, another humanoid character? why can't sakurai add cereal box mascots instead?

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I want to play as this cereal box mascot

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fan polls say he's literally the most wanted character of all time across the world so i think its safe to say hes a shoe in

Corrin is a worse addition than Incineroar, but Incineroarfags are a worse fanbase than Corrinfags, so overall both are equally shit.

They're still gonna whine about how they think smash should be a popularity contest. I'm just happy my favorite character got in.

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It's okay because male Corrin appeals to my dick and I want to impregnate him

Based Niles poster

My most wanted character at that time was already in the game (Shulk) and my new most wanted character didn't exist yet.

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Banjo has more reason to make it in now more than ever with Nintendo and Microsoft teaming up.

Explain why Corrin is your favorite character without using the words feet or toes.

he has a good moveset so i don't care

>Everyone knows Gamefreak forced Incineroar in to shill toys though

>he still forces this idea to this day

Don’t care that he “plays different” from the other characters in his series but Corrin has no reason to be in smash. Neither does Chrom or Lucina for that matter. If we had gotten Corrin as a newcomer for this game I wouldn’t have minded.

>doesn't end with corrin naked and taking multiple cocks in every hole simultaneously while slathered in semen
You had one job.

Reminder that they suck at writing a Character

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because you can't really build much from those characters, literally just a "human wrestler"

Pokémon is more liked as a series and each rep plays differently from each other.

His point is right though (barring Greninja)

I want Corrin to step on me with his bare hooves!

That's all sorts of levels of bad Mary/Gary Stu fanfiction OC idiocy...

His model is fine, it's his animations being slightly buggy.

>His point is right though
>"Incineroar isn't a shill character"
No

>albino bisexual half dragon prince/princess that's the rightful heir to three warring kingdoms who wields a legendary chainsaw sword

>"He is well liked by all"
>Ends up being widely disliked
Sasuga, IS

>almost a thousand Pokemon to choose from
>ask for yet another goddamn starter when there's lots of them in the game already
>only reasoning is B-BUT MUH TYPE TRIANGLE
Will this meme ever end? This shit was unbearable during the ballot and pre-release Ultimate.

he isn't you faggot, he got in because sakurai wanted what he represented

you already have the shillmons in the game anyway - eevee, mimikyu, bewear, etc. are already in the game as balls. really the only surprise is rowlet being just a spirit

I find him to be really relatable and realistic character in many ways. I don't like fetishes or any rule34/hentai/porn stuff either.

>My most wanted is a shit pick in hindsigt, he has no reason to be in
This isn't even good bait, it's way too fucking obvious.

i'm late and i don't have a costanza for you but use your imagination

I like his toes, they're cute. I imagine them squelching in mud of burying in sand. And when he gets home from a battle his loving husband washes them then fucks them and gets cum all over them then washes them again.

Incineroar is obviously shill but he's still based. Same with Greninja.

>he thinks franchises represented in the game will get dlc

Real shame we got Corrin as the promotional DLC character when there were other games with better characters that could've been used instead.

Nothing's gonna stop Sakurai and his dev team's Fire Emblem fetish, unfortunately. I hope Three Houses crashes hysterically.

You want to impregnate your sister the second you find a secret letter from your deceased mother saying you aren't actually blood related and giving you her blessings to put your penis inside her?

I need an explanation on why he is a shill. Because "muh movie" is a terrible reply when he is literally ignorable there compared to the actual villain, no more different than the final evo starters that appeared in other movies. He only has 4 appearances in the show compared to every other fucking character. His TCG is average (and if you want actual shills - look at the "doubles" card).

Corrin is my waifu who is cute and pure and I would die for her and I have most definitely played more games with anime girls then FE Heroes, Persona 5, Xenoblade 2, and Pokemon to make a well thought out choice from a vast amount of waifus.

If we go deep it really is just Sakurai likes to implement characters from newer games into Smash. Pokemon always has new games and is always well received, so that's why he always goes for a new one. A starter is just an even easier way of making sure the character is well liked.
Corrin on the other hand was a huge risk, one that probably failed.

Why is a character being "liked" bad writing? What even qualifies as "bad writing"? Corrin gets hated by most people through every path until about midway through.

So that's not a shillmon pick. Pokemon being in Smash is natural as much as you expect someone being born with four limbs. That is why assuming Smash having no new Pokemon character is a laughable notion.

Reminder that Wonder Red will never be in Smash unless he gets an sequel, he's one of the few Wii-U era characters who has missed his mark

No.

I actually agree with you there. The concept of shill is pretty muddled nowadays here so it is just easier to say they are shills.

Your both right in a way. Gamefreak only began really promoting Incineroar at all until around the release of Ultra Sun and Moon, long after the roster was finalized. Incineroar isn't so much Smash shilling for Pokemon as much as it's Pokemon shilling for smash.

A shillmon is designed to appeal to the masses and sell tons of merchandise, and thus necessitates multiple appearances. People who yell "incineroar is a shillmon" are smashfags who never have seen Pokemon media in their entire life because they have no idea how shillmons work, thinking "this pokemon is pushed in smash even though I hate him, ergo he is a shill!"

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Yeah if anything, I am more accepting of this notion that Pokemon is advertising for Smash, since the only time they brought him up was for Smash anyway.

>grooms his daughter to become a footslut
Based

Well thanks for explaining it user. But I'm sure they will keep calling them shills, sadly, even if its wrong.

you got this webm with fem corrin instead?

Heck, it's pretty obvious that the starters of the last two gens were were designed with Smash in mind.

they just released piranha plant, dumdum

Ironically shillmons are in Smash, as I said you see Bewear, Eevee and the like. For some odd reason they think "it must be playable" to be a shill, forgetting that a simple appearance is enough eyecatching for ther audience.

Nah, I wouldn't say that. There's really no clear indication of that, the closest "theory" I have some agreement on is this "strongman/sleek/effeminate' thing they're going on but it's hokey more often than not, and Sakurai just picks whatever works, even if it's not a starter.

>Piranha Plant is a DLC pack character

It's clearly meant to be part of the base roster that was late to the deadline. If the project was more in-line with 4 it'd get cut instead.

i still got k.rool in the end so im good

>Bewear
>Shillmon
What in the flying fuck are you talking about?

its not

nigga Bewear is one of the more popular SM mons

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Well obviously it got lots of screentime and beat up Pheromosa so that definitely makes a shillmon.

Ugh, why can’t people identify actual shillmons as shillmons?

>the dosage of copium that people are taking now

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Shill has kind of a negative feel to it. Like, it is used to describe only failed shillmons like Zoroark.

Haha what kind of name is Corrin? That’s the whitest, most trailer trash, hillbilly, sister impregnating name I’ve ever heard.

>cope

are you retarded? there's a reason it has a Palutena's Guidance whereas Joker (onwards) don't have any

>still seething over a fucking plant
Imagine being you right now.

Being popular doesn't automatically make something a shillmon. Your definition is completely off.

Shill only seemed negative, but it's actually pretty neutral all things considered. After all, if something sells, nothing wrong with it. It mostly comes off as a negative because there's this assumption that it has no fans or something. Failed shillmon however is an oxymoron, but we understand what it's trying to convey.

Also just gonna point out how amazing Dedenne is as a pikaclone Managed to remain a star even today (it's part of a new toyline).

You seem to have posted the wrong Corrin

the people who claim incineroar is a "shillmon" are the same people who defend the lack of non-sakurai kirby content, the piss-poor zelda character selections, etc. they're smashfag secondaries who pretend to be experts on franchises they've never played to justify their rosterfaggotry.

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But that's the point - it's being shilled because it's popular and it sells. If it's pushed and it doesn't sell, then it's a failure. There's no "shilling for the sake of it", because it has to have a purpose. There's already a precedent to shill.

Remember how "Poochie" is easily described and well-defined in Simpsons, yet faggots use it to practically every character they don't like? It's the same thing.

>not picking female corrin
user i think you got the gay.

If you played the game it's not just that statement.
The entire bio is cringe but Kamui is bad in game.
His personality is just simplistic and well, boring.

Like, people use this image as "MUH INCINEROAR IS A SHILLMON LOOK HE IS FORCED HERE" forgetting that this is a poster for Japan Pokemon Tournament 2019, which Incineroar (and Kyogre, Xerneas and Venusaur) are mostly found participating. Meanwhile Charizard is showing up there for no reason.

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Is Eevee also being played?

Shillmon refers to Pokémon that get pushed with things like movies or Smash appearances before anybody knows if they'll be popular on their own merits or not (or before they've even been revealed at all). That's why it describes the likes of Lucario, Zoroark, Greninja and Incineroar, but not Pokémon like Arcanine, Scizor, Gardevoir or Garchomp.

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But my most wanted was Robin

>le one person in a roster of 50+ is not my favorite I'm mad >:(

you literally are a smashfag, because by your logic every fucking legendary is a shillmon. it is natural to push new things, but if you assume they need to "see" if something sticks, you are a fucking idiot. They already know how audiences react to something, which is why you already see "rowlet on a bag" as a toy despite coming out immediately after it aired.

Yes there are obvious failures, but those are outliers.

Eevee is practically mascot dos

Would've unironically taken Zoroark over Greninja. Favorite pokemon plus Zoroark's main ability could be pretty unique somehow.

>Eevee is practically mascot dos
Oh I know, I just though he might have been played. Was curious about the meta.

Well no one plays Eevee in TCG but in LPGE "meta" it is better over Pikachu due to its retarded moves being better

incineroar got a token appearance in a kanto remake that ended up having tons of non-kanto pokemon in it. he wasn't even the only gen 7 pokemon there.
lucario got its own movie all to itself a full year before diamond/pearl came out. greninja was shilled into smash before it even had a name.
pretending that incineroar is at all comparable to those two exposes you as a smashfag secondary who knows very little about pokemon.

I love my sweet Corn. even if his games weren't my favorites of the series and he wasn't ideal as a protagonist. He would be better as a maid for the protagonist.

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homo

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No, the people who want other weapon types are filthy secondaries. The FE chars we have in Smash are unironically the only important ones except Roy who’s not important at all.

Ha, joke’s on you. My autism has reached the point where I’m actively against any of my most wanted’s ever making it into Smash Bros.

Yeah apparently in Smash 4’s DLC cycle, at least one spot was always meant to be an advertisement for an upcoming or recently released game. Sakurai was actually against the idea of having the spot be used by Fire Emblem, but the dev team wouldn’t stop nagging him to make it an FE 14 ad rep until he finally said yes. And that’s how Kamui came about. I’m lazy to find the article again, but it’s there. It’s an interview that details Sakurai’s thoughts and ideas on Cloud, Kamui, and Bayonetta.

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>DUDE SWORDS ARE THE ONLY ISSUE JUST ADD AN AXE AND SPEAR USER AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY

If you actually cared about variety you'd think it was a problem that SIX out of seven of the characters have the same down b.

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It’s not that the dev team kept nagging him, it’s that he didn’t understand why they wanted another FE character but relented when he saw that Corrin had more moveset potential than the standard FE protags.

What about dragon lolis? They aren't anime swordsmen in capes and armor.

>Same moveset functions

Roy is rushdown, Corrin is a hybrid, Marth is spacing, Ike is heavyweight favoring offense over defense, Robin is projectiles.

>b-but they all have disjointed hitbox Ed so dey da same!

>samey means exactly the same.

Compare the variety to all the Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda characters. The FE cast is extremely lacking.

Maybe.Sakurai has really gone crazy with counters.

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Roy and Marth dont play similarly. Ike has always been unique. Corrin has a unique moveset and Robin is one of the more unique characters in the game.

If people are still bitching about glorified alt costumes like Chrom and Lucina then I cant help you.

Daily reminder to footfaggots that I got my most wanted before they got theirs.

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...

Robin honestly belongs in the top category.

I can maybe see how you could think Roy and Marth are similar in the vein of Luigi/Mario but there’s just as much playstyle difference between Robin and Corrin as between Zelda and Link.

Wario got into Smash in Brawl, though? I'm fine.

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>I can maybe see how you could think Roy and Marth are similar in the vein of Luigi/Mario

Luigi is much more different than Mario than Roy is to Marth.

>but there’s just as much playstyle difference between Robin and Corrin as between Zelda and Link.

Visually, no. Your comparison only works because Robin is the exception of the FE cast.

>you'd think it was a problem that SIX out of seven of the characters have the same down b.

Because 4 of those characters started as or are the same character.

Would've prefer a moveset based more around the style of Land and World rather than Wario Ware.

he has cute feet. i want inkling girl to make them all messy!

>Because 4 of those characters started as or are the same character.

They changed Chroms up b to another characters. There's literally no excuse. Sakurai knows he doesn't have to actually try with the FE characters so he doesn't bother.

>Luigi is much more different than Mario than Roy is to Marth.

Moveset wise sure, but gameplay wise no.
Luigi and Mario both play the same, rushdown, combo heavy characters.

You can't play Roy the same way you play Marth. One is all about spacing, the other is about getting in close.

>Visually no

Yeah the barefoot half dragon person is completely identical to the robed dude with a book. Because they’re both anime. Jesus Christ kys

game should come in the mail any minute now, lads
how has pacman changed from 4?

The sad thing is you can make the argument Corrin was the only plausible pick for that, because the fucking state of Nintendo at the time was dire.

Which is a problem in and of itself.

Robin and Marth are fine, keep as-is.
Make Ike's down-B a sword beam or something.
Cut everyone else.

What do FE characters even do, to be fair? Its a strategy game.
Does marth do anything besides swing a sword in the NES game? What can you give him if not a counter?

>Moveset wise sure, but gameplay wise no.
>Luigi and Mario both play the same, rushdown, combo heavy characters.

>Snake and Olimar are the same because they're both zoners.

>You can't play Roy the same way you play Marth. One is all about spacing, the other is about getting in close.

Dr. Mario is so unique, dude.

Give Ike some axe moves for some visual variety while you're at it

>Male Corrin Thread
>At least somewhat civil discussion
>Female Corrin Thread
FEET FEET LET ME SUCK ON HER TOES
I LOVE FEET
POST FEET PLEASE

Really tells you alot about this board

See, I keep seeing people say this, but what moves does he actually have that are explicitly based on Wario Ware?

Looking at his Ultimate moveset, you have:

- Dash attack is his iconic shoulder barge attack from the Land series.

- Down throw is his butt smash.

- Back throw is the Wild Swing Ding from World.

- Jab attack looks the same as his punch combo from World.

- Chomp clearly based on the suction move that let him eat stuff like coins from World (Smash 4 even had a version of it with the suction effect).

Meanwhile, the only moves you can actually point to being from Ware specifically is the bike and his Final Smash having Wario Man. I don't really count the fart, because that's more of a reference to how in Japan Wario was always portrayed in that sort of crude way, even in advertisements for Wario Land games.

Cut Roy, Lucina, and Chrom. There, FE’s representation is fixed; no clones, just characters with unique movesets.

>Am a footfag
>Got my most wanted in when Smash 4 was announced

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where is the equality?

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>but what moves does he actually have that are explicitly based on Wario Ware

Nothing really concrete , but I guess the exaggertaed animations are probably styled after Wario ware

>You can't play Roy the same way you play Marth. One is all about spacing, the other is about getting in close.
So in other words, they're both about spacing.

At the bare minimum they could just copy and paste someone elses move that makes sense. That's lazy but it's better than giving almost all of them the least interesting special move in the game.

>thinking toon and young link are more unique than robin, corrin, and ike
>thinking the links, shulk, and cloud don't have an "anime hairstyle"
>thinking corrin doesn't qualify as a lancer
>actually caring about something as small as characters have similiar facial structure
>thinking the characters look the same

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>but I guess the exaggertaed animations are probably styled after Wario ware

he has been doing that in Japan even before warioware

youtube.com/watch?v=PjYMZ4ebR78

Fire emblem does have counters though.

The FE games are text heavy, you should be able to read better.

It's funny because it's obvious you skimmed over it because you were furious about it being FE criticism and quickly made a reply.

Does that really hold true in Ultimate, though? More things:

- His up B always shared the name as the Corkscrew Conk from World but never actually looked like it. In World, it looked like Samus's screw attack. However, in Ultimate, they changed its animation to Wario performing a spinning lariat in the air to propel himself upward. That's essentially taking an attack that Zangief from Street Fighter or Incineroar has here in Ultimate and giving it to Wario, which fits his strongman persona pretty well.

- His movement animations on the ground are fluid and don't look jittery and poorly animated on purpose anymore.

- His down air has him putting his hands out in front of him now that he uses to drill into opponents rather than just spinning his head around.

- His up tilt looks like a victory pose he has in Wario Land II.

What you said could be accurate about Wario in Brawl, but Wario in Ultimate strikes a far better balance and leans more heavily towards his Land/World self overall.

That doesn't excuse 6/7 of them having one though. Especially when the one character that doesn't can also counter in their game.

>Doing the thing you're accusing me of to my own reply

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Based Corrin btfo'ing Banjokeks, steveniggers, and Sorafaggots.

Remember when Smashtrannies were fucking seething how Fire Emblem got an expo, demanded to know why better selling/"better deserving" franchises like fucking DK weren't getting their own conventions, and how a Three Houses was totally going to get revealed for Smash at the expo and in fact that's the only reason why the expo exists at all?

Then the expo happens last week, smashtards forget all about it even being a thing, and all that happens at said expo is the art exhibition, live show and concert performances--you know the exact shit they promised they'd do when they announced the con?

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>>Doing the thing you're accusing me of to my own reply

>Literally says in paranthesis that the link clones were the exception to moveset variety
>LUL YOU THINK YOUNG AND TOON LINK ARE UNIQUE?????????

Please consume some media that isn't FE.

Sakurai just loves counter in general. You also have Palutena, Lucario, Joker, Little Mac, Peach and Daisy who have counters as their down Bs.

I don't. But I do remember how in literally every 3H thread there are tons of FE apologists that think that anyone who criticizes the game is just a salty smash fan.

i can't decide what smells worse: melee tournaments, or fire emblem expos.

Thanks for agreeing with me. Fire emblem characters are much more unique than anything the zelda series got in smash with the exception of zelda herself.

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>It's okay that they all have the same down B because other series have it sometimes

I never said that. I'm annoyed that Sakurai gave most of the FE characters counters too, I'm just pointing out that he likes giving characters counters in general, even beyond FE.

Zelda and Sheik are more unique to eachother than most of the FE cast is despite being literally the same person.

DUDE MY ANIME SWORD MAN WITH COUNTER IS UNIQUE COMPARED TO ANIME SWORD MAN WITH COUNTER WITH SLIGHTLY MORE WEIGHT

kek.

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Roy, Chrom Ike and Corrin all never should have gotten in Smash in the first place.
The only moderately unique character you've listed is Robin, Ike's "big dude, big sword" moveset is generic as shit and is outdone by Cloud and Shulk.

>DK convention
What would you even talk about? It sounds like it would attract faggots and redditors who would only ironically attend and pretend it was a big deal. Smashfags are retarded.

The difference is other series don't have that much homogenity with the same special move.

It's hypocritcal to claim there should be an axe and lance user "for variety" yet completely shrug off 6/7 of the characters having literally the same move.

An axe in practice would bring zero (0) functional gameplay differences to a sword. Period.

Nobody said this. FE fans always shit on DK because it's actually popular and has actual challenge unlike FE where you can get lucky and win and FE fans think they "outsmarted" the game, lmao.

I know we got a bunch of gold tickets from Golden Week but I wish we got free stuff from the FE Expo too.

Kamui is not a maid. He is a cute boy.
That said FE 14 wasn’t great and he’s much better in a supporting role. Being Kamui is suffering :(

Fair desu

What other first-party Nintendo games for 3DS or Wii U was there at the time anyways, I can’t even remember. Was it really that bad?

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>What other first-party Nintendo games for 3DS or Wii U was there at the time anyways, I can’t even remember. Was it really that bad?

Every time I listed them they always "don't count"

Either way if you unironically believe that Corrin was added to shill Fates you're a fucking retarded Sakurai cock sucker.

Yes, they brought a character just for shilling despite it literally only happening twice and they JUST SO HAPPEN to always be FE characters.

Clearly this is all a huge coincidence, and Sakurai isn't biased towards FE in any way whatsoever.

People literally did ask why they weren't doing DK or Pikmin conventions you revisionist cocksucker.

He is my most wanted though. After playing him everyone else on the roster isn't fun or interesting at all anymore. I can't really think of a vidya character that I would like more, even my other all time favorites lend themselves to far less interesting playstyles.

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No they're not. Ike is more unique to Marth than Shiek is to Zelda.
>"HITTING WITH A SWORD IS SO MUCH MORE DIFFERENT THAN HITTING WITH A KICK OR PUNCH"
No it's not.
Roy, Chrom, and Lucina are supposed to be echoes whether the game lists them as it or not. Ike, Corrin and Robin are most the unique fire emblem characters we have.

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>I can't beat DK or Pikmin so I'll attack the fans!

Sorry that you can't just flip a coin and win, dude. Some games actually require some skill, lmao.

>Nobody said this

They did though. When it was announced people were all like wah where’s my F zero convention etc

No, they were asking why they weren't doing Kirby or Splatoon conventions.

>people attack Corrin for being yet another FE character
he probably plays the most interestingly of all of them

Imagine having so little experience in gaming, that despite there being hundreds to thousands of possibilites for a choice of character your most wanted is another sword character with a counter down b.

>No they're not. Ike is more unique to Marth than Shiek is to Zelda.

The fact that they both share the same down B is enough to prove this wrong.

>It's hypocritcal to claim there should be an axe and lance user "for variety" yet completely shrug off 6/7 of the characters having literally the same move.

I also never said anything about axe or lance users, either. All I was doing was pointing out that Sakurai likes giving characters counters, user. Which annoys me, because it's getting old fast. The FE series has it worse in that regard, but when you look at the newcomers in Ultimate, 4 out of the 13 have a down B counter (5 if you feel like counting Incineroar's).

Instead of adding more FE characters, I'd rather them make the ones here have more distinct movesets from each other, if I were given the choice. Lucina shouldn't even fight anything like Marth in the first place, for example. I don't like the fact that almost every FE character in this game has a counter down B either.

Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.

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>down b counter

Robin wins because of that alone.

>No, they were asking why they weren't doing Kirby or Splatoon conventions.
But they do........? They get events all the time. Are you serious?

>but when you look at the newcomers in Ultimate, 4 out of the 13 have a down B counter (5 if you feel like counting Incineroar's).

Think about what you just said. Despite there being 13 newcomers only 4/5 of them have counters. FE has more despite only having 7 characters.

Sure, it's a problem with the game itself but the fact that it would DRASTICALLY go down if we removed all the FE characters is telling.

I dunno about Kirby but I can certainly confirm splatoon. They have their own holo-concerts, for fuck's sake.

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I think we're having two different conversations here, user.

I'm not disagreeing with you. All I'm doing is saying that Sakurai has a hard-on for counter specials. That's all I've been saying.

>PEOPLE TOTALLY COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME

>has yet to actually prove it

Why do people hate corrin so much other than hate for FE or hate for his game? Hes not a strong character by any means but I think hes pretty fun to play. Also for all the tier fags are you really telling me you wany yet another high tier FE sword user?

And despite that, FE is the only one to have that problem to this extent.

Splatoon gets events but not specifically conventions (at least not official ones). Kirby gets basically nothing.

Counter is my least favorite part of the kit because I don't like "defend in an extremely short window and it better be timed right or you're going to die" abilities, but you have to understand my dude: Every other character in the game could also have a counter, fucking mario, ridley, everyone, that wouldn't affect my enjoyment at all besides making it harder to combo people. Hell, being a sword character is basically a requirement to me liking how a character plays at this point.
I've seen hundreds of thousands of possibilities, Corrin combines too many things that I like to not be my favorite.

Rosterfags don't really play the game.

>Counter is my least favorite part of the kit because I don't like "defend in an extremely short window and it better be timed right or you're going to die" abilities, but you have to understand my dude: Every other character in the game could also have a counter, fucking mario, ridley, everyone, that wouldn't affect my enjoyment at all besides making it harder to combo people.

It would drastically homogenize the entire cast making the game less fun to play. Thanks for proving my point that FE fans don't actually care about variety.

>yet another campy """zoner"""
No.

im just gonna take a guess and say: Sakurai never really promised that the winners of the ballot will be the final Sm4sh dlc, isnt it?

but yeah, he's ugly and any character who goes around barefoot is disgusting, and also everyone who gets off to feet has mental problems.

Define events and conventions. Splatoon gets concerts and besides the art exhibition and live drama with VAs that was essentially the main focus of the FE Expo.

>REEEEEEE ROSTERFAGS

Sorry some people have actual standards other than "whatever Sakurai picks he is perfect and never makes mistakes"

You’re speaking as if I’m happy FE got shilled in any way. I don’t really enjoy Smash being used as a medium to sell things other than itself, and I’m also not a fan of Sakurai’s blatant favouritism towards specific series, or even specific entries within series.
Unless that was a “royal you”... point is I pretty much agree with you.

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you mean 'whatever nintendo picks is perfect'

1.- we dont and will NEVER know before time who the remaining 4 DLC will be.

2.- its not sakurai the one making the picks, it was nintendo.

>something other than the swords archetype
>has two new mechanics compared to the rest of the FE rosters zero.
>has a down b that isn't a counter

Corrin’s game is pretty much an Oracle of x situation. The three paths vary greatly in quality from one of the best in the series, painfully average, and absolute bottom of the barrel. It’s honestly impressive.

Looks like I was making a point that was too complicated for you.

Why do people always forget the part where he says he picked from a list.

As you can see, all rosterfaggotry is driven by the quest for validation that your intelligence is above the creator of the game. It is what it is.

>Sorry some people have actual standards
who? rosterfags certainly don't, since they either beg for garbage like geno/banjo/isaac or force themselves to want any character that's trending in "leaks" and "rumors."

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>I don't care if literally every character plays the same
and
>i like corrin because fun

Compelling argument.

and when did he said that?

look, im not saying you are lying and i hate rosterfags too, but the truth is, even if sakurai picked from a list, that list was approved by nintendo and probably the character owner, so still, nintendo picked up the choices sakurai had.

Yes, exactly. FE has the most counter down B's out of any other series in the game and thus is the worst when it comes to that, coupled with most characters being clones in general. FE has it the worst when it comes to moveset variety or representation. I never disagreed with you there.

I was just pointing out that when it comes to counters in particular, Sakurai seems to love going for them as a lazy way out of thinking up anything more creative. Sometimes it fits; giving Little Mac a counter works given the nature of the Punch-Out games, but then you have something like the FE series where he seems to shut his brain down for and goes into auto-pilot.

It's more like "The roster is good overall but there are some mistakes here and there"

On the other side is Sakurai apologists who will defend literally every character in the game while also thinks literally every pick that isn't is horrible.

I guaruntee both of you thought that Ridley and K. Rool were bad ideas and spent the last 10 years explaining why Palutena and Ice Climbers were more important and better choices than them until they got revealed, and suddenly they were the best possible choices.

Other characters having similar abilities in their kit doesn't affect my enjoyment of Corrin's kit.
I'll actually stand by the second one. I like Corrin because fun.

I recognize your style of posting. Are you the same guy who argues like this in every Corrin thread?

>Mario and Luigi have the same neutral B
>Mario and Luigi have the same down air
>Ganondorf and Captain falcon have the same down B
>Zelda and Shiek have the same up B
>Only care about fire emblem because I don't actually care about characters being unique I just hate fire emblem

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>a small convention that is japan only, not that publicized, doesn't have any huge announcements, only some art and music
>Smashfags lose their shit and spam threads with it

I swear, Smashfags are shining examples of "hates it, yet is the most obsessed of all"

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twitter.com/Sora_Sakurai/status/1059958604818657282?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Basically there's like 50 characters and Sakurai is going to pick the 3H rep anyway.

>these two characters have similar moves
vs
>6 out of these 7 characters have the same down b

Fucking brilliant comparison, user. You did it.

>Everyone just accepts it without question

Hey everyone the Fire Emblem fanbase literally eats literal shit and cum all the time constantly. You have to believe this without any evidence because apparently that's what we're doing

>Slightly modifying moves makes them unique

yeah, probably...

seriously, why doesnt sakurai make a FE-only smash? i mean, at least we will have some variety, and probably Nino and Tharja as playable characters.

Inb4 the obvious 'only sword users, no lancers no axes, not even assassins or archers.' but yeah, probably that would be the idea...

That's what FE fans claim about their characters, yes.

This is like saying there are too many shoryukens in the game and counting Ryu and Ken separately lmao.

nah, i actually thought ridley and rool would be worthwhile characters. rosterfags are delusional to think their z-listers from spinoffs and dead franchises are on the same level.

it worked in SF...

0/10

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Kirby doesn't have a Convention, but it doesn have a cafe that's on it's second or third run and a swarm of merch compared to other Ninty franchises.

kirby will get a con soon enough, if FE had one, so can he.

you guys are faggots, like you never include the fact that he outright knows about having too much FE characters but the team insisted that he can make it work

the fact that so far we have no existing franchise for the DLC pack says we won't be getting a 3H

i wouldnt call 1 franchise of 5 'so far', maybe if we were at DLC3 or 4.

and dont be mistaken, at least i DONT want another FE character, and if its really necessary then give us ANYTHING other than a lord or just a sword user (Robin has a sword, doesnt count.)

kirby as a character is legitimately more popular than mario, link and pikachu in japan. meta knight, magolor, marx, and waddle dee all also poll highly.
gonintendo.com/stories/326928-nintendo-dream-most-popular-characters-poll-from-the-march-2019
nintendo could milk kirby way more over there than they currently do.

have you actually followed kirby jp twitter? they do lots of merchandising shit

>like you never include the fact that he outright knows about having too much FE characters but the team insisted that he can make it work

*adds Chrom immediately afterwards*

Just ignore that when any other series has a character that promotes even the slight bit of resistance there's the "we couldn't make it work!"

>stop being annoyed that a cringe inducingly bad character got in instead of a good one >:(

Even if we excluded the clones you'd still have 4/5 having the same down b.

That Ryu/Ken comparison doesn't work because there'd only be 2 srks.

>a clone where you can literally hide them if you're autistic about it
wow

why do I get the feeling you're that faggot who misconstrue the "side character over protagonist" last time

anyway since you're a shitposter I suppose you want Rex or Dixie to be an echo

yeah, stop being annoyed, if anything, complaining makes you look like a manchild.

an attack that goes upwards is a common move in Smash though, Mario, Luigi, Mii Brawler, Marth and clones, etc.

Imagine being this retarded.

Wrong. It's common knowledge Incineroar was the last non-dlc character chosen.... Even after Piranah Plant. Sakurai held a slot specifically to shill the new Pokemon games, and when he got a look at them chosen Incineroar.

Incineroar's main purpose is shilling. This is documented fact.

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>a character isn't a character because of an arbitrary definition

>anyway since you're a shitposter I suppose you want Rex or Dixie to be an echo

And apparently according to your logic we're just supposed to accept them without question. But since they're not from FE you'll suddenly have a problem with them.

First off, they have totally different down airs, Mario's dair is the Mario tornado which creates a landing hitbox, is a multihit and sends people up, Luigi's down air is a single hit spike.

Secondly, Mario and Luigi having a similar neutral B is nothing compared to FE characters
>All FE characters have the same dtilt
>all FE characters have the same up air
>all FE characters minus Ike have the same ftilt
>all FE characters minus Ike and Robin have the same forward air
>all FE characters minus Corrin and Robin have an extremely similar neutral B
And all the counters obviously.

You forgot Ike.

>counters would be cut in almost half if we removed the FE cast

LMAO

Forgot ike.

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There is nothing wrong with Nintendo using one of its most high profile properties to promote its own games and is as valid a use of resources as, if not more than, throwing in random third parties.

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Complaining also got Ridley and K. Rool in, it has it’s used.

Bullshit. I can't even find a decent Kirby cap anywhere, including on Amazon or the Nintendo store.

Aside from shirts and plushes there is the much Kirby merch out there.

what even is this level of autism. this chart means what exactly lol

That's not shilling you idiot. Like I said, Pokemon being part of Smash is natural, as you said a documented fact. He held off because he was undecided. That doesn't make it a "shill".

>even after piranah plant

no, he never mentioned plant's timing, if anything the development implies he's late. and no, Incineroar can't be "late" due to his voice actor

No, the logic is that Chrom was added as a low effort character, and you're comparing his inclusion to something like Rex which many people see as a unique character. You are a retard in every given way.

>remove 6 characters
>still have 10 with the same move

Palutena too. Bayonetta and Incineroar are also borderline cases.

Hilariously retarded

I mean by that logic Fox and Wolf (especially Wolf) are counters too

rosterfag logic:
>incineroar was obviously chosen to shill a 3ds game!
>why do people keep bringing up persona q2 as the reason why joker's in smash? nintendo's not going to shill a 3ds game!

Palutena has a reflector/counter as one move.

I bet all these faggots have up Bs that go upwards too.

nintendowire.com/news/2019/01/21/sakurai-reveals-that-decidueye-was-almost-in-smash-bros-ultimate-and-other-facts/

Also, when the fuck did I say Joker wasn't shilling? I dont know wtf they were thinking sticking that little fag in, it was very clearly shilling.

Unique Counters
>Palutena
>Greninja
>Joker
>K. Rool
>Bayo(?)
Generic counters that at least fit the character they're on
>Shulk
>Little Mac
>Miis
Shitty generic counters
>Marth
>Ike
>Roy
>Chrom
>Lucina
>Lucario
>Corrin
>Peach
>Daisy

Being able to recover is an essential element in Smash, and there's a lot more variety among the recovery moves than there are with the counters.

Yeah pretty much.

Corrin and Ike have much different Dtilts than the four marths.
Ike has a different up air.
Corrin also has a different ftilt

They're also used differently and have different damage and knockback.

Still another character despite the FE aplogists claim that Sakurai hates FE and thought there were too many.

>has a problem with any other series getting an echo

and there we go.

"Also a reflector" does not a unique counter make

You say that as if I care or something...

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Yes and? None of that says Incineroar is shilling nor does it say Plant came earlier than Incineroar. For fuck's sake, every Smash game has a new Pokemon from the current gen, that isn't shilling because it's "natural".

>They're also used differently and have different damage and knockback.

Dr. Mario confirmed unique.

Okay, I think I got them all this time. I'm not trying to make a point or anything just trying to number all the characters with counters.

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>There is nothing wrong with Nintendo using one of its most high profile properties

>most high profile

Selling 1/10 of a Pokemon game once doesn't mean you deserve to have the same number of characters as Pokemon.

> to promote its own game

People act as if this is the status quo and not only done twice as an excuse to add more FE characters.

Yep.

>he thinks echos are meaningful outside of chump change to throw a bone

I don't even think highly of FE so I have no idea why you are whining. Also you have trouble reading - he said he knows there are too many characters but his team assured him. That's not "hates FE and thought they were too many".

And are you seriously wanting Rex to be a Shulk echo? You really are a retarded falseflagger. On the level of "I want Black Shadow to be in... but as a Captain clone because muh ganondorf!"

don't make me say it

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I might have posted the wrong link.... if so my bad
sourcegaming.info/2018/12/12/sakurai-tells-more-details-about-smash-ultimates-development/
Very clearly says Incineroar was the only character not nailed down in the original project plans due to saving a spot for the new Pokemon games.

That would imply that buying Pikmin is a bad thing

Yeah ok. What the fuck ever you say man. That definitely doesn’t sound like bullshit at all.

>he said he knows there are too many characters but his team assured him.

And yet after he "thinks this" he goes on to add two more characters. You realize you shouldn't believe someones words when their actions constantly contradict, them right?

>And are you seriously wanting Rex to be a Shulk echo? You really are a retarded falseflagger. On the level of "I want Black Shadow to be in... but as a Captain clone because muh ganondorf!"

lmao. The fucking SECOND an echo idea is for someone other than a FE character it goes from "you're not allowed to complain about it" to "would ruin the entire game"

Literally reads as if a 11 year old wrote this

Yes and? Again, the project plan is completed literally years ago. Even if we put "Incineroar was last decided", that still is two years earlier (remember, project plan was completed two years ago as I recall). There's a reason Incineroar is still voiced by Ishizuka. Meanwhile Plant is a delayed character, so it was something of an extra/late addition.

>he literally is banking on Chrom, a fucking low piece echo, as a form of argument
>still insists on it being an FE issue

here's your (You), I'm going to sleep.

>Giving up cause you got BTFO

Later, faggot.

If he thought FE had too many characters he wouldn't have added two more characters. Imagine saying "I need to fix this window crack" followed by throwing a brick through the window.

Everyone knows Sakurai is full of shit. This is the same man who said he couldn't put Ridley in before because he is "too big", despite the fact the game has a Pikachu half the size of a Charizard, Maria over half as tall as Bowser, and Olimar bigger than a blade of grass...... And oh yeah, wasn't Ridley Samus's size in the original game? JFL.

Why people listen to his bullshit excuses is beyond me. The man is a genius at game design but he is a retard when it comes to lying.

and? actual shilling is greninja getting nailed down for smash 4 before it even had a name yet. or game freak and tpc holding up brawl's development so they could force lucario in at the last minute even though they were already getting pokemon trainer.
incineroar is a totally normal selection by comparison, and the decision was made by sakurai himself for gameplay purposes (adding a unique character type). you're only calling it a "shillmon" because he's not geno, banjo or isaac.

Remember to stuff Smash threads with pointless things so the threads can close faster.

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Quit backpedaling fag. That very clearly proves Incineroar's main purpose was to shill the new Pokemon game. They left an opening for that express purpose.

I'd rather them shill Pokemon than Persona, but don't pretend it wasn't purely a shilling move.

to be honest, he wasn't wrong. ridley looks much worse shrunken down than other characters do scaled up.

>forgets "but the team assures it"
>again, relying on Chrom - a fucking echo

that's the point, people crying over a fucking echo as a massive addition

That just means more Smash threads get made which leads to other Vidya threads getting pushed off the catalogue

I want to sniff his feet

>it's shilling because they've been doing something throughout the franchise history

also no one backpedaled but you

Read my link retard. It clearly says Incineroar was chosen last among the main staff, and his slot was hold SOLELY to get Sun/Moon representation in.

The very definition of a shill.

Fixed.

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>>forgets "but the team assures it"

>no evidence for this

>>again, relying on Chrom - a fucking echo

It's still another character.

>that's the point, people crying over a fucking echo as a massive addition

They do when it's other series, it's only okay when FE does it.

I haven't played that game but it seems like a lot of work putting that many polygons in.

What? Fuck no, Ridley looks awesome.

you are a retard, read the whole article. they already have new pokemon to add, they just don't know who yet. it's been decided from the beginning to have one, i.e. it's natural for smash to have a new pokemon character

that, again, is not shilling

Quit being a retard, it's shilling g because they saved a spot without knowing g who would go onto it solely to advertise Sure /Moon.

That's the literal definition of shilling. Moron

It's like you don't know basic English or how to work a dictionary.

>It's not shilling if they did it before, n-now it's tradition!!!!!

We found 4chans retard of the day.

the new pokemon game by the time incineroar was revealed was lgpe, not usum. and unlike usum, lgpe was actually getting released on the switch. rosterfags have never come up with a valid response to the fact that eevee or melmetal would have made a lot more sense as a shill pick than any gen 7 pokemon.
it's time to face facts. incineroar got in organically because sakurai wanted a wrestler. there is not always some ulterior motive when sakurai chooses a character that doesn't only appeal to nostalgia-obsessed manchildren in their 30s.

>Moving on to Corrin, Sakurai mentions that since they’ve been making DLC for Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS, they’ve been thinking about adding a character from a title that’s about to or just saw release. The game of choice here falls to Fire Emblem Fates, which came out in Japan back in June and will be heading west in February. Sakurai writes that he himself thought they were adding too many characters from Fire Emblem, but after speaking with the development staff, he was assured that Corrin would make for an interesting fighter.

>another character
>literally Robin's model slapped onto Roy, the lowest of all the echo

>They do when it's other series, it's only okay when FE does it
You're reading it wrong - FE is an absolute trash that it getting echoes is practically fine due to the lack of care for their characters.

As an F-Zero fan, I find it offending that you fags want to insert Black Shadow solely for Ganondorf to be unique, when that has never even been a case.

>people saying sakurai reserved a slot for a new pokemon to come to smash
>but what if game freak designed a pokemon solely to get into smash and tried covering their tracks as much as possible
it would explain why it's not a fucking quadruped

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As I have told you and already proven, Incineroar was chosen SOLELY for Sun/Moon representation. The wrestling motif may have given him an edge over other Sun/Moon Pokemon, but the primary objective was to shill for Pokemon, not to add a wrestler. Otherwise there are tons of "boxers" from Punch-Out that would have been a better fit.

And yes, he is a sun/moon Pokemon retard.

t. feralfag

That's not shilling you faglord. And it's not "now", Pokemon has always been a major contributor in Smash since inception, with each game always featuring a newcomer form the new gen. That's not "advertising" Sun and Moon (because the game already is years old), it's just representing a character from Sun and Moon - the more recent game at that point would be Let's Piss.

The fact that you outright ignored Incineroar's inclusion because Sakurai figured he'd make a great addition due to what he can deliver and instead force this "muh pokemon IP" tells that you are an ultimate faggot.

>it’s not shilling even if they say it is
The absolute state of discord zoomers

...

well I'm glad you only know buzzwords and no substance or argument

I don't get it, is today a holiday or something? Even for a full fledged retard, it's hard to imagine any adult being this stupid.

>I-its not shilling if they did it before, it's tradition!!!! Shut up you mean man I can't hear you lalalalalala

>>Moving on to Corrin, Sakurai mentions that since they’ve been making DLC for Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS, they’ve been thinking about adding a character from a title that’s about to or just saw release.

So they just so happened to think this when a FE game was coming out and never again except when....another FE game was coming out. Hmm....

>Sakurai writes that he himself thought they were adding too many characters from Fire Emblem, but after speaking with the development staff, he was assured that Corrin would make for an interesting fighter.

This doesn't prove anything, of course Sakurai is going to come up with an excuse instead of admitting bias.

>>literally Robin's model slapped onto Roy, the lowest of all the echo

Yet this isn't done for other characters, especially from series that don't have too much.

>You're reading it wrong - FE is an absolute trash that it getting echoes is practically fine due to the lack of care for their characters.

Because almost nobody else gets echoes.

>As an F-Zero fan, I find it offending that you fags want to insert Black Shadow solely for Ganondorf to be unique, when that has never even been a case.

I've never even said anything about Black Shadow. But you have to admit that solution made/makes sense. People who like Ganon as he is now get to keep that moveset while people who want a more accurate Ganon also get one. If we ever get a moveset overall for Ganon I don't see a reason not to do this.

>argument is literally just ad hominem

okay, especially when earlier in the thread there's a discussion on what actual pokemon shilling is

You already (hopefully) read an article that says in black and white that Incineroars purpose was to shill Sun and Moon and you still claim he wasn’t a shill pick, you are beyond help, as has been shown in your threads.

Like I said, of they are gonna be shills, Pokemon is as good a thing to shill as anything I guess, tons of variety in the characters and near infinite movesets to pull from. It's hard to think of another franchise that gives that much creative freedom.

But how these retards deny that it is indeed shilling, I will never understand.

And why another Pokemon over someone like Kamek or old school Ganon....... Even without the interviews it was clearly shilling.

>having an appearance from the latest game is shilling
>especially when said game has been outdated

the article never even mentioned "selling" the game, they just said he came from SM, so no you are the one being retarded

>And why another Pokemon over someone like Kamek or old school Ganon

I agree with your overall statement but you just gave the people you're arguing with an easy out.

>according to this thread, Rosalina from 4 is shilling Super Mario Galaxy 1/2

>As I have told you and already proven, Incineroar was chosen SOLELY for Sun/Moon representation.
and as you keep ignoring, sun/moon was old news by the time they uploaded the final direct. it was done getting games for almost a year at that point. sm and usum weren't even on the switch, they were on the 3ds, a system that was dead by the time ultimate came out and not worth shilling for anymore.
if they were going to shill anything, they would have shilled lgpe, an actual new game that was coming out on the switch a month before smash.
>Otherwise there are tons of "boxers" from Punch-Out that would have been a better fit.
you rosterfags are fucking retarded and grasping at straws. why would sakurai choose a BOXER if he wanted to add a WRESTLER?

>Someone like Kamek or old school Ganon
I'm taking it.
Old school ganon would be neat though.
Mario is shilling mario. Joker is shilling Persona 5 for the PS4 (tm)

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My only argument was that Incineroar was a shill. He is a shill, and that is 100% fact. Whether or not that's acceptable is another matter entirely.

Zoroark's ability would be totally pointless in smash bros. It can only work in an online arena-ish game.

>people getting assmad about whether Corrin was included to advertise Fates or not
>what is Roy
fire emblem is made up of four things now - fujos, waifufaggotry, smash bros representation and gacha. it's essentially the yang to pokemon's ying; instead of a formula that can easily be recycled and passed on from generation to generation, it subsists on solely money, degeneracy and leeching off other franchises. fuck, even dragalia lost (gacha) had to shill for their series.

old fire emblem is dead, and what remains is a soulless visual novel stranded together by the fraying fabric of the old strategy system. consider yourselves the lowest lifeform in the consumer food chain, FEggots.

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>every character addition is a shill

Whether or not Inceniroar is "shilling" he's definitely a pretty bad pick, and definitely the worst Pokemon pick

>can't use the "muh clone/echo" excuse
>Not even particularly well liked in its own gen, despite being a starter which is a huge advantage
>while moveset is unique, it has a function that can be done by human characters which is a waste on a character from a franchise of beast/monsterlike creatures.

I usually really like Pokémon games, but for some reason new Pokémon in Smash doesn't excite me. Even if I imagine my all time favorite never ever monsters getting in, I don't really feel anything about the idea. I don't know why

>And why another Pokemon over someone like Kamek or old school Ganon
>ugh, why did they have to add another pokemon when they could have added a second ganon to go with the three links and two zeldas instead?

Fates is literally the deepest game in the series with the most customization options.

Have you ever played Punch-Out? Bald Bull, Middle Eastern Jewel guy, King Hippo, ect. all resemble wrestlers more than boxers. That becomes even more apparent in the SNES/Wii game

>>people getting assmad about whether Corrin was included to advertise Fates or not
>>what is Roy

It was a shit excuse then and now it's even worse since you can't use the "muh clone" argument.

Incineroar is divisive at worst, but never "not particularly well-liked"

He says this, yet we have no human traditional wrestler in smash, and you got many pokemon who can be done by other characters by your retarded logic.

>Oh nooo I don’t like X character but I need a way to dismiss them that doesn’t also apply to my favorites
>I know, I’ll call them a “shill” pick because they’re too new

Off yourselves.

i'm beginning to think you have no idea what the word "shill" means and you're just using it as a synonym for "character i don't like."
incineroar had no new games to promote by the time ultimate came out. if he's a shill, then so were ice climbers, mr. game & watch, and r.o.b. by your logic.

Because Ganondorf is essentially an echo himself. How you can take the main villain from their 2nd biggest franchise and make him a clone is beyond me.

Besides, it's no different than Zelda/Shiek or Samus/ZSS. Trident wielding boar Ganon would be badass.

>Incineroar is divisive at worst, but never "not particularly well-liked"

Picking a "divisive" character from your game is a pretty bad idea. If Pokemon fans don't like Inceniroar, why should the Smash fans? The idea of Smash is for everyone to send their best.

>He says this, yet we have no human traditional wrestler in smash

I'm suggesting it would've made more sense to add a human wrestler instead.

>and you got many pokemon who can be done by other characters by your retarded logic.

I can't think of any realistic examples because they're usually very distinct in shape. It's why the only clone Pokemon gave was a pre evolution of the first.

they might "resemble" wrestlers, but incineroar was designed to be an actual wrestler with wrestling moves. you're just grasping at straws.

What’s inherently bad about being from a game that’s essentially finished but not released yet?

Girl corrin is better. Male corrin looks so off

Holy fucking shit you colossial retard. Read the link I posted. His primary function was to promote the Sun/Moon sequels..... Which are still the latest games and still being sold. Incineroar wasn't picked on his own merits, he was picked to have a sun/moon Pokemon. That is the definition of shilling.

It wouldn't be if it was a regular thing, but for only one series to have that privilege in 5 games that host 30+ franchises is bullshit.

>divisive = only negative

>I'm suggesting it would've made more sense to add a human wrestler instead.

And yet we didn't, and ironically it fits even Incineroar more because unlike the other Pokemon reps he isn't constrained into a specific "characterization"

>I can't think of any realistic examples because they're usually very distinct in shape. It's why the only clone Pokemon gave was a pre evolution of the first.

Lucario is literally a shotoclone and Mewtwo has the "goddess" archetype of movement and attacking. Greninja is a ninja. And Brawl Charizard was discount Bowser.

>add a human wrestler instead.
What human wrestler exactly?

Lucario is still worse than Incineroar, but yeah, pretty awful choice.

no appeal other than "shiny new toy". piranha plant isn't exactly a massive fan favorite but the inclusion of piranha plants and subspecies throughout the series rivals mario himself. you can't really have mario without mentioning classic enemies like goombas, koopas and of course - the piranha plants.

with these newer characters, people don't have time to "get to know them" yet. it also means when people play their games, they'll gauge their thoughts on how they act and play in smash. it just opens up a whole new can of worms, so to speak

user, LGPE was not recent. Also that was the only time USUM was mentioned, as every other mention of Incineroar was plain SM.

>Rosalina is a shill character because she was added to repped Galaxy!

What other Nintendo franchises have that quality of
>constantly rotating cast of main characters to manifest a new character, as opposed to Mario et al. where Mario or Link take the stage as the traditional MC
>is coming up or has a release window that is shared with Smash

The closest things for the Smash 5 era would've been Rex and Spring Man as the first Switch heroes revealed but they debuted too late to make the cut.

Pick any or all characters from Obscure retro game characters are always among the best and most interesting additions to Smash, it could have been great.

I'd argue he's the best pick since Trainer because he goes against generic Pokemon expressions (cutesy/stoic/feral) and rather than the combofag he is direct to the point.

You realize we are discussing fictional characters right? Incineroar can be whatever they want, he isn't "actually a wrestler".

Most of the Punch-Out cast fit closer to wrestlers than that.

Besides, if they REALLY wanted a wrestler Pokemon, why not a better fit like Machamp or Medicham or the Hitmons or that thing from Ruby/Sapphire that looks like Majin Buu?

Plenty of Pokemon have stronger wrestler motifs than Incineroar, but they weren't from Sun/Moon so they weren't even considered.

For the final time, this is what's known as shilling.

Yeah and they lack the personality Incineroar has. Here's a thing - Sakurai's wrestling faggotry didn't get a spark until he saw Incineroar. Notice how they didn't even have to make up moves for Incineroar other than Alola Whip, and even then it tries to tie itself with his Moonsault.

>still mad Incineroar is in
Just cope. There's more than 50 characters.

>>divisive = only negative

That still not good enough.

>And yet we didn't, and ironically it fits even Incineroar more because unlike the other Pokemon reps he isn't constrained into a specific "characterization"

I don't understand what you mean by this.

>Lucario is literally a shotoclone

??? No?

>and Mewtwo has the "goddess" archetype of movement and attacking.

Mewtwo's lanky ass tail would make it really hard to think of an alternative for him.

>Greninja is a ninja.

His hitbox along with some of the weirder moves like nair would make it hard to replace him. Notice how different Sheik is.

>And Brawl Charizard was discount Bowser.

Literally the only big similarity is flamethrower

NES wrestling or the wrestler from rhythm heaven.

Are you seriously using LGPE to say Sun/Moon series aren't the most recent entries? Why not count the 3DS VC ports or Pokemon Go while you are at it?

I have never seen someone grasp for straws this hard before lol.

>You realize we are discussing fictional characters right? Incineroar can be whatever they want, he isn't "actually a wrestler".

>heel pokemon
>always shown as a wrestler in various media
>isn't "actually a wrestler"

okay, I am done for this thread

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>I'm suggesting it would've made more sense to add a human wrestler instead.
if he did that, you rosterfags would have just screeched that he was adding another boring humanoid character instead of a cereal box mascot. sakurai literally can't win with this fanbase.
>I can't think of any realistic examples
by your own logic, greninja can be replaced by ryu hayabusa, strider hiryu, or one of the ninjas from mortal kombat.
while we're at it, jigglypuff sings, so it can be replaced by hatsune miku. pikachu and pichu use electricity to fight, might as well put crono instead of them.

At this point mods should delete rosterfag threads on sight.

>the Sun/Moon sequels..... Which are still the latest gam-

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>rosalina is a shill pick
>but she's also not
rosalina is a sensible way to introduce a more modern mario character, rather than cappy or some shit. however, she was introduced to the series in smash 4, when rosalina was being shilled on the wii u like crazy for whatever reason. ultra smash, 3d world, etc etc. she's a weird mix of shill pick and sensible choice, my opinion leaning towards the latter because her playstyle actually brought something new to the table.

>Obscure retro game characters are always among the best and most interesting additions
Which is why they don't have any. Seriously not a single person would find an unknown retro character without any personality interesting.

>not good enough
no one cares about that though, especially when you realize the "hate" isn't that big. Hell this site thinks Lucario is the devil yet is actually enjoyed by Japan.

>I don't understand
Pikachu should always be cute. Lucario should always be stoic. etc. Incineroar has been shown in different personalities.

>??? No?
Nigga a martial arts guy who throws ki isn't unique to Pokemon. Mewtwo literally floats and shoots projectiles, something many "goddess" type characters like Palutena and Rosalina do. Greninja is a ninja.

Your argument was the whole "muh pokemons cna't fight like humans", I just provided you those who could.

And no, go play Brawl - he was discount Bowser. He was the "big kaiju with slow attacks" except shittier.

Also to those who mention Rhythm Heaven wrestler
>unironically using a segment for RH rather than RH as a whole

Don't forget Pokemon Go, Detective Pikachu, and the VC ports on 3DS.

You are beyond retarded. This isnt a mainline series entry and you know it.

>if he did that, you rosterfags would have just screeched that he was adding another boring humanoid character instead of a cereal box mascot. sakurai literally can't win with this fanbase.

I wouldn't have, and you can't prove that I would.

>by your own logic, greninja can be replaced by ryu hayabusa, strider hiryu, or one of the ninjas from mortal kombat.

Technically possible but

>Greninja was actually popular in its own gen
>those examples are third parties.

>while we're at it, jigglypuff sings, so it can be replaced by hatsune miku. pikachu and pichu use electricity to fight, might as well put crono instead of them.

lmao seething

>Yeah and they lack the personality Incineroar has
You mean like a lot of characters before they were included in Smash, including Incineroar itself? One of the biggest positive talking points when Incineroar was added was how much more expressive and endearing it was compared to how it had been portrayed previously.

THis.

>this isn't a mainline series

...user

>Besides, if they REALLY wanted a wrestler Pokemon, why not a better fit like Machamp or Medicham
>if they REALLY wanted a wrestler pokemon, why not add a bodybuilder or a yoga instructor instead?

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Counting new things there was Splatoon who were inevitable anyway, and uh, TMS? Doubt that would have went over any better.

My most wanted was Robin.

The irony is killing me. You can't be this stupid.

And don't shit on Wii Fit Trainers, they were amazing.

thanks for admitting that it's a shill pick or not depends whether you like it or not

The fags who claim he wasn't expressive are those who play showdown user-kun. He's one of the most expressive pokemon in the 3DS and in the anime.

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You’re wasting your time. You’re talking to the the same people that made all of those Geno and Issac threads for months.

>he thinks a bodybuilder and a yogi is a wrestler

his point is that you are retarded on using replacement pokemon

Wonderful 101 is owned by Nintendo isnt it?

Captain Rainbow is fairly new.

I suppose Captain Toad kinda is too.

And there was some 1st party eShop only samurai game early on in 3DS, not too terribly long after the launch with that sib game

>no one cares about that though, especially when you realize the "hate" isn't that big. Hell this site thinks Lucario is the devil yet is actually enjoyed by Japan.

Lucario is still really popular despite his debut being over 10 years ago.

>Pikachu should always be cute. Lucario should always be stoic. etc. Incineroar has been shown in different personalities.

I can't speak for Lucario but Pikachu has always shown multiple emotions in the anime.

>Nigga a martial arts guy who throws ki isn't unique to Pokemon

But the way Greninja does it is unique. Inceniroars moveset could work on any human wrestler.

>Mewtwo literally floats and shoots projectiles, something many "goddess" type characters like Palutena and Rosalina do. Greninja is a ninja.

Do you really think Palutena and Rosa could actually feasibly use Mewtwos moveset without looking weird.

>>>unironically using a segment for RH rather than RH as a whole

It accomplishes the "wrestler" niche while not wasting Pokemons potential for newcomers.

"His"? Samefagging bullshit is the sign of a true retard.

>I wouldn't have, and you can't prove that I would.
your own pitiful arguments against incineroar and goalpost-moving expose you as the stereotypical rosterfag who would complain about that.
>Greninja was actually popular in its own gen
greninja was locked into smash before it had a name and before its games even came out. nobody knew at the time whether or not it would be popular, but it was going to be forced either way.
game freak then went on to shill greninja like crazy on their own time by giving it protean, creating the abomination that was ash-greninja for the anime, and not allowing the other two starters to have any moments in the spotlight. incineroar has never been given that kind of special treatment.
>lmao seething
says the rosterfag who's trying to argue that boxers, bodybuilders and yoga practitioners would be better wrestling characters than a heel wrestler with wrestling moves.

>This isnt a mainline series entry and you know it.
game freak didn't get the memo on that, apparently.

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Pikachu has to be cute despite showing multiple emotions though.

I'm sure we have wrestlers who can immolate themselves on fire. And no, Greninja's shit can be done literally with ki shit. Hell, Shinobi scarf is magic and that can be done as a replacement for ninja.

I mean, have you? Rosalina literally shoots stars from her ass while she twirls.

>It accomplishes the "wrestler" niche while not wasting Pokemons potential for newcomers.

I'm glad you're not making the game choices since you ruin both Pokemon and RH at the same time.

>he thinks there's only one fag who hates rosterfaggotry

>How does marketing work? I am too retarded to understand PR speak....

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I hope Tingle gets chosen as one of the dlc characters.

>the game is a remake of a main-series game
>game freak routinely refers to it as a main-series game in interviews
>it's listed alongside the other main-series games on the pokemon website: pokemon.co.jp/game/title/series/
just because it's a terrible game doesn't mean it's a spinoff. otherwise, you'd have to count xy, oras, sm and usum as spinoffs too.
time to face facts. if they were going to shill, they'd be shilling for lgpe: the brand new main-series pokemon game on the same system as smash. incineroar was not a shill pick. cope.

thank you user

It doesn't have BC with the previous games, it nerfs battle mechanics, nerfs catching mechanics, includes no new Pokemon beyond the original 151, ect. Comparing those to my oras sm ect. is retarded.

Yeah it's a remake, doesn't make it a mainline game though. It's like saying Typing of the Dead is a mainline House of the Dead title, or the Mario Kart arcade cabinet.

FireRed/Leafgreen it's not.

And nothing of value was lost.

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He still got in regardless so I don't care that much anymore. But fuck FE and fuck swordies.

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Honestly what was more astounding is that he/she is honestly way more unique than Lucina and Roy
where the FUCK is all the femCorrin footjob porn?

Holy shit lets go piss are mainline games. Just because your virgin ass doesn't like em does NOT mean they arent. This was their big debut on the Switch user. Let's Go piss. Your gay franchise is going down the crapper whether you like it or not. Now pay tribute to the alpha male, freeloader

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>It doesn't have BC with the previous games
neither did ruby/sapphire.
>it nerfs battle mechanics
previous games did the same thing, e.g. gen 6 nerfing weather.
>nerfs catching mechanics
usum did waggle gimmicks first with the ultra warp ride. lgpe just applied waggle shit to catching instead.
>includes no new Pokemon beyond the original 151
meltan and melmetal.
>Yeah it's a remake, doesn't make it a mainline game though.
every other remake is listed as a mainline game on the website.

Lol at your rage, I haven't played a Pokemon game since XY. Before that Platinum. I have very little invested in the series.

While you're right about rosterfags deciding what characters should be added arbitrarily, I think your point falls flat because Incineroar doesn't offer anything particularly unique that a character like Zangief (or even Hawlucha) couldn't do. What's the defense for it being Incineroar specifically if he could have been easily replaced?

If Sword/Shield allows for trading with LGPE instead of the 3DS titles via pokebank or whatever I will admit I am wrong. Until then, PR speak aside, O think it's obviously not a mainline title.

yeah im kinda mad
isaac and his earth and hand magic would be way more unique than generic swordsman with a counter

street fighter got ken. gen 6 was already accounted for with greninja.

>Incineroar isn't a shill pick
>but also it had to be him because muh starters and muh gen 7
Make up your fucking mind.

Pokemon Let's Go are main series games in name only. Just about every game mechanic was altered to simplify it down because Pokemon Go players are apparently too dumb to comprehend the real games.
If Game Freak had spent more time on Sword and Shield instead of making this trash maybe it wouldn't be looking like dogshit.

I surmise that Roy made it back in before the others because Sakurai had plans to bring Chrom as an echo in Ultimate.

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>you can't have two new characters from the same series and we already have a gen 6 pokemon!
sounds like rosterfaggotry to me

>Zoroark
>Shillmon
Literally never understood this one. Just because it was a central Pokémon in a movie? Because after that, Zoroark almost never made an appearance. Even in BW this fucker was behind an event.

Based

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>What's the defense for it being Incineroar specifically if he could have been easily replaced?
How about not having another FE(Awakening) situation with any other series or games?

> (OP)
>I’ll admit to stuffing the ballot box with Azura votes back during Wii U cause I was sure Fates wouldn’t get shit, so Corrin was a pretty nice surprise. She plays fun too, still main in Ult.
kys, fucking weeb

people already complain that gen 3 and gen 5 got skipped over. they would whine just as much if gen 7 got left out too.

Literally who

Gen 3 had some good designs desu. So did gen 2.

>Given the preference towards My Units, if they've gotten to this point of consistency it's probably Byleth rather than Edelgard
>Even if it is Edelgard, she'll probably have a sword primary with her axe as a couple token moves like Corrin's dragon form but ultimately the exact same as we've always had

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>what people think about incineroar shouldn't matter
>but you can't skip these gens because the rosterfags (who are totally not me btw) would bitch
you are literally a rosterfag in denial. you only like incineroar because you think "x BTFO" is funny. stop shitposting and own up to it.

>Conquest
Great maps, definitely towards the top. Godawful story. Even ignoring the unbearable idiocy that happens within the story itself, Corrin trying to be "good" and "just" when I was looking forward to being on the evil side is terrible.
>Birthright
Mediocre to bad maps. Mediocre to bad story. The only thing that you would logically pick Hoshido for besides maybe setting, blood incest, isn't even real.
>Revelations
Manages to outpace both of the above with how bad it is in both gameplay and story. Only thing going for it is maybe supports between Nohrians and Hoshidans, but they're far from worth it even if you're somehow invested in the characters.

Am I the only one that is fully satisfied with the roster? Holy shit

>Am I the only one with no standards who will gobble up anything without question? Holy shit.

Why does Incineroar get the benefit of the doubt but Greninja doesn't? Sakurai also stated that they had many options for Gen VI rep and the team liked Greninja the most, so they added him to the game. A similar argument was made for incineroar.

And yes, Greninja was actually REALLY fucking popular at the time he was added in Smash. By March 2014, only 5 months after X/Y came out and even before he was announced for Smash, he already had >1,300 submissions on Pixiv. More than what Incineroar currently has despite S/M having been released nearly 3 years ago and Incineroar being announced for Smash 6 months ago. And who could forget

dorkly.com/post/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon

ign.com/articles/2013/11/26/the-best-worst-xy-pokemon-revealed

The polls where he came out on top only a month after his reveal. People downplay the fact that Greninja was huge even before Smash.

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He's cute tho

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it's not rosterfags who would bitch about gen 7 getting skipped, it's actual pokemon fans who don't like the fact that entire generations of their series are being skipped.
rosterfags would bitch about hawlucha because it's not geno, banjo or isaac.

if you "cared about gameplay" like you say you would, you'd realize that geno, isaac, and banjo would all also add fun gameplay styles to the game and you wouldn't give this much of a shit about them. but your inherent rosterfaggotry tells you that you need characters to defy others because "BTFO" and "seething". incineroarfags are fucking pathetic subhumans.

>Any Pokémon that debuts as a main character is a shillmon

We are just straight up using “shill” to mean “thing I don’t like” at this point.

I’m pretty satisfied, the characters I want are literal never evers.

First party Nintendo characters(especially moderately popular/recognizable ones) > ANY third party characters.

Incineroar was shilled before SM came out in the ICY movie, it was also given the best ability in the game to become a VGC monster and numerous appearances in the anime, it checks pretty much every box Lucario did except for being popular.

Finally someone with common sense.

Implying fucking Gamefreak balances Pokémon for comp, it has intimidate because heels posture and look threatening to ham it up.

Nore like the same shitty disproven over and over argument.

>>Implying fucking Gamefreak balances Pokémon for comp
Gamefreak makes shillmon overpowered on purpose though, unless you're saying Pokemon like Mega Lucario and both Mega Zards are stupidly strong just by chance. Greninja rolled out in XY with amazing sweeper stats and Protean, which gives it STAB all the time, meanwhile the other two starters have lame gimmick abilities that do nothing for them. Are you saying this was just a coincidence?

Incineroar was datamined with Intimidate as soon as SM dropped, even if Intimidate fit the Pokemon, the fact of the matter is Incineroar also got every single move necessary for it to be a monster in doubles (the official TCPI format). It was also built from the ground up to take the niche of Arcanine and be VGCs nearly mandatory bulky fire type. Just by chance though, right?

This would be fine on it's own, but combine this with it's appearance in ICY, the fact that it's Masuda's favorite Alolan Pokemon, it's recurring appearances in the anime, it's shilling in the TCG and the part where Alola has a bustling wresting scene for absolutely no reason, now think really hard and tell me who Gamefreak wanted Sakurai to put in Smash.

>Comparing megas and legendaries to a hidden ability

user come the fuck on.

>ignoring Protean
>ignoring how strong Lucario was in his debut generation
And the point isn't about Megas, the point is that there was nothing stopping GF from making Mega Lucario or Mega Zard as niche as something like Mega Ampharos or Mega Audino, but instead they get the best stat spread, the best abilities and the best move tutor attacks to be the best megas thanks to being shillmon, it's not complicated.