Ppmd back

That's what makes it entertaining. Ultimate players are boring because nobody is throwing bitchfits except for Salem.

Salem was right

So, melee is the WWE of fighting games

Why does Yea Forums hate melee but love ultimate so much

>metagame stalling because snake/olimar
>melee metagame is just fox

I don't get it

Yea Forums loves and hate both, like everything else.
>Yea Forums is one person.

zoomers

>pound top 8 for melee had every competitor using a different character
>Ult top 8 was mostly snake and olimar

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based lud

take a shower

Its just shitposting

do you play or do you just like watching your favorites ecelebs

because I get the strong impression that you're the latter

I like how meleefags do this and when you call out their game's shortcomings they dismiss it. Also, had a good laugh the other day from a melee nigga trying to tell me even though there's like 6 legal stages in gaylee it feels more diverse than ultimate.

>Metagame stalling because snake/olimar
>Even though the last big tournament MKLeo beat it with Ike/Chrom
>?

Are nodeodorant mains this dumb?

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But user, battlefield fox dittos in melee have more depth than all the possible ultimate matchups. The only reason why people on here defend ultimate so much is because of buyer's remorse.
>Spend $300 on a switch, $60 for the game, $20 for online
>Still have a worse experience than melee smashladder netplay on your computer
Ultimate has worse matchmaking, ranking, netcode, input lag, character depth, need I say more?
user the image you show literally is plagued with snakes and olimars. Also, most of the best olimar and snake players were at thunder smash trying to win a 20k 1st place prize, not some jap tourney. Prime Saga, Pound, Come to Papa 3, and now Thunder Smash were all plagued with snakes and olimars lmao

>stale metagame
Show me a melee tournament that doesn't have at least 3 foxes

>>ppmd back
nigga you what

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>Playing online
I play with my friends.

Saying this shit is such an obvious indicator that you don't actually play Melee. It's like saying 3rd Strike is stale because its nothing but Chun-Li, Yun, and Ken at the very highest level. People like it for the gameplay, not character diversity. (A little more than half of Melee's cast is viable in tournament play btw)

>Literally
3 Snakes, and one of them (who actually won the tournament) actually was forced to change his main for fucking MARIO
Plus Myran actually surprised everyone considering this is the first time he got into top 8.
And hey, I thought you were smart enough to notice this is the Pound 2019 Top 12.
Now show me how HBox again won a fucking tourney with Jigglypuff and how people again got so mad at him someone actually threw him a crab because ??????

There are quality melee threads on Yea Forums. But only during tournaments.

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The top 8 for pound 2019 was diverse as hell
Hbox - Jiggs
Mango - fox
Plup - sheik
Zain - Marth
S2j - falcon
Sfat - fox
Chudat - ice climbers
Axe - Pikachu

These days fox dittos hype af cause usually its marth vs fox or jigs vs fox

but those threads are just streamboars jerking off over the personalities

>ppmd back
>leffen back
>they both lose to a stalling Hbox every tournament

Not being able to deal with change is a sign of autism user

Except Zain beat hbox and ended his streak at come to papa 3 lol your point?
Ally's smash 4 main was Mario, he secondaries him in ultimate. And he won the tournament with snake. It's not like Mario was some super unorthodox pick for him either.

you weren't supposed to bring that up...

3s obviously is stale though

OP here. I'm mostly exaggerating things. Ultimate is fun to play but not to watch, at least since Olimar/Snake became more prevalent in top 8. Melee's fun for both.

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>Don't like how the game plays
>Obviously I'm not going fucking play it
Also, I get the feeling you think I believe smash as a series is worth paying. Make no mistake, I came to laugh at you niggas. Move on, this is why no one likes dealing with you fucks.

Cope harder. Several top melee players have also played other traditional fighting games and performed well in them. Most notably leffen who was a top fighterz player before Ultimate came out. Despite this, no top players in any other fighting game community bothered migrating to smash, unless you wanna count low tier god lmao. Their egos are too big because they know they'd get washed if they tried to play other games.

People don't hate Melee. They generally hate the fanbase for it. Or is that the same thing for you?

Maybe if you're a Coop Cup level player then yeah it might be, but at the low fightcade level all us plebians are on it's insanely diverse.

What do you mean?

>Being this new
Evidence.zip isn't just a joke user.

I guess I just don't know specifically what you dislike about him. Not new btw, I remember a time when PPMD still competed.

COPE? Listen here lil tendie, its not worth playing smash over other games. The prize pools suck and your own company doesn't fucking care about you. And this let's me know that you don't know shit about other communities. People play multiple games all the time. But when a smasher does it, you try to use it as validation for your own community. Imagine leaving a game FOR FUCKING SMASH. I'll say this , you did give me a chuckle. Now go shower.

But hbox won, what's the point of watching when you know who's gonna win.

>evidence.zip

Ah yes, I remember the time Hax autistically compiled a list of all the times young leff sperged out on people to get him banned, I recall also how he autistically requested armada to present it as his idea so that people wouldn't be creeped out by his autistic obsession with Leffen

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>ppmd

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BUT WE NEED HIM, WITHOUT HIM HUNGRYBOX IS INVINCIBLE!

Hbox got bopped by zain last tournament

>MUH STORYLINES

Jesus christ go watch an actual anime if youre that desperate for drama

I wish they brought back the different scoring achievements. Those were very fun.

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What is this obesseion with this PPMD player? Even if he ever came back, hes never going to be as good as he once was. Its not going to change anything in the scene.

90% of the people on this board weren't even born when melee came out.

If only luck was that common...

His last tournament was so good he became a meme

It was exciting for the first game or two because it felt like there was a chance. Mang0 beat HBox earlier in the tournament and people were excited for Mang0 to win a tournament.

Cool guy. Cool playstyle. One of the best even years later. There's nothing more to it.

Like when Ken lost once, and then continued his winning streak right after.
Or when Zero lost once, and then continued his winning streak right after.

Hbox losing once means nothing in the long run.

Melee keeps getting better viewers because they keep putting the ultimate finals at 1 am since the tournament organizers are biased and favor melee. Ultimate will get fantastic viewers when it gets a normal time slot at evo.

>Melee keeps getting better viewers because they keep putting the ultimate finals at 1 am since the tournament organizers are biased and favor melee.
This is just untrue Melee used to be at that same exact timeslot and still got just as many views. I remember genesis 3 ran to like 2 AM and still had near 100k views. Stop coping.

You're both retards. Not even a Melee player but even I FUCKING KNOW that Fox isn't the entire metagame. That's a fucking MEME. Jesus christ seek help

As fun as believing a decade old meme must be, there're actual legitimate complaints about melee that aren't something that instantly outs you as a retard. Try again

first year watching smash? Going late into night is nothing new

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Anyone been seeing Kurv's Luigi lately? That man is hype as fuck to watch.

You can't seriously think a 1 am timeslot for one game and a 7 pm timeslot for the other is a fair comparison.

Yes because Melee used to have that same 1 am timeslot back in the smash 4 days and still got just as many views.

Yes but melee consistently gets the better timeslot at every tournament. It isn't a coincidence. Evo will show what ultimate real viewer potential is because they won't shove it into the middle of the night.

You're retarded and giving Ultimate the prime slot over Melee in traditionally Melee focused majors has been a real offense to Melee players imo. Ultimate is carried by Melee passion.

It's Evo smash ultimate is bound to get a good amount of views

I just think he's very bitchy, attention seeking, and always loves to stew in drama

>Smeleefags use the exact same strategies for years
>BASED Hbox tries something different for once
>absolutely destroys everyone because smelees are too autistic to adapt to changes in their routine
>smelees seethe and demand the new strategy be banned instead of getting gud

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Not good amount, it will beat anything melee has ever gotten. It will be the first time we get to see ultimate in prime time instead of after half the audience went to sleep.

Jigglypuff

>he's never going to be good as he once was
This is a stupid assumption to make.

>for once
Dude stop pretending you know the complete history of Melee's meta. It is quite embarrassing to those of us that do. Completely and utterly cringe.

>ultimate player discussing melee

Yep that's another one for my comp

you realize that ultimate has solo majors and they still don't pull melee numbers. The #1 issue with the game isn't timeslots, balance, or any of that bullshit. The problem is it's fucking boring and nobody wants to watch that shit once the novelty wears off

What's the point of this shit when everyone has heard every meleefag excuse ever said by now?
>"I don't like a meta based around glitches"
*autistic screeching intensifies* THEY ARE NOT GLITCHES THEY ARE EXPLOITS REEEE
>"Ok, I don't like a meta based around exploits then"
REEEE HOW FUCKING DARE YOU DUDE, YOU JUST SUCK AT PLAYING THE GAME!
>"So, you only enjoy watching a game, if you are good at the game? Watching two people use exploits is just boring to me"
I NEVER FUCKING SAID THAT SHUT UP NOW
>"Ok, watching the same fox dittos get boring"
YOU NEWFAG PIECE OF SHIT THERE ARE MORE CHARACTERS VIABLE THEN JUST FOX!
>"How many"
WHAT
>"How many are viable?"
DUDE LIKE SIX OR EIGHT!
>"So that's it?"
WHAT
>"Did you not hear me, I am not interested in a game with less then 12 viable characters dude"
NO SUCH GAME EXISTS DUDE, ALL FIGHTING GAMES HAVE A LOW NUMBER LIKE THAT!
>"You have regressed to lying because you are in capable of facing the fact that Melee has faults"
THAT'S NOT TRUE AT ALL DUDE, IT HAS FAULTS
>"Name them without speaking of the graphics"
WELL THE GRAPHICS ARE A BIT OL-
>"I said name the faults of melee without talking about the graphics"
DUDE THAT'S NOT FAIR YOU ARE DISMISSING THE FAULTS YOU WANTED ME TO NAME AT LEAST OUR TOURNAMENTS HAVE MORE VIEWS
>"and?"
AND WHAT?
>"Why is that good?"
WELL ITS GOOD BECAUSE IT MEANS THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE TOURNAMENT GET MORE ADVERTISER MONEY!
>"You are serving people that don't give a shit about you."
AND YOU THINK ULTIMATE TOURNAMENTS ARE DIFFERENT?
>"Actually I enjoy Ultimate specifically because I do not enjoy watching or playing in tournaments of any kind"
SO YOU AREN'T COMPETITIVE, BUT PLAY A COMPETITIVE GAME.....YOU ARE....WEIRD

did not read lol

It's honestly impressive how rent free melee lives in the minds of people that hate it.

Fuck off with your Nigtendo Gaycube and let me enjoy the new game faggot

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>>"I don't like a meta based around glitches"
why not exactly?

Are you from 2015 lol
Leffen's a bro now

Because its boring.

>I don't like a meta game based around exploits

Why? Passing in football is an exploit (this is true look it up) but it makes the game better. Please don't give me an NPC response to this, I'd love a genuine answer

>taking pride in the fact they you follow this autistic community for years

big, BIG yikes. Fact of the matter is 70% of why people still watch melee today is because theyre too invested in the ridiculous personas the top players have carved out for themselves that they feel like theyre watching a Tv show.

I dont think any Ultimate fan would deny that melee will outlive ultimate, I think they just dont care because any normal person moves on when they're done with a game even if they like it a lot.

E

and the Ice Climbers still suck

What do you consider to be an NPC response? I would assume a response that you do not like?

t.subbed with twitch prime

It's not, it's a new way to play. That by definition is not boring. Do you have a real reason?

what are some glitches you dislike?

Not him and he's being a fag but personally I think it undermines the point of a competitive multiplayer game. Whatever, competitive gaming never had a chance to be normal anyway.

rocket jumping in quake, combos in street fighter 2.

I thought they were exploits? Not glitches?

>70% of why people still watch melee today is because I suck massive

More like 90% is holding out hope that puff will lose

Have fun with smash bro, remember to shower if u show up for a tourney, in my experience the nintenyeerulds over on the Brawl half of a tourney have the most trouble with this

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answer the queston

why?

What do you mean what's the point? If you don't like it then just ignore it.

competitive gaming was literally built on emergent mechanics and shit. Part of the reason new games are so dull, boring, and stale so fast is because they iron out all of the cool stuff the moment it's found

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>I disagree with your subjective opinion and now try to disprove a opinion.

A opinion is subjective and therefore what I find boring can be different from what other people find boring. I just find watching video games in general to be boring. I don't know why anyone would watch someone "lets play" a game on youtube. Why would I watch something when I could be playing it instead?

I actually wonder how many people that hate melee are just upset that it can last whilst whatever game they liked die immediately when something new comes out.

A response that's reductive like "exploits are gay" "exploits aren't fun" or "I just don't want to play with exploits"

I'm mostly talking about being able to air dodge into the ground with low lag (aka Waveland, or wavedash) here.

Also if you aren't at least pretty good at wave dashing it's a bit weird to have a solidified opinion on it, at all. That'd be like me having an opinion on dribbling in basketball if I hadn't learned to do it yet. Idk

I wonder how many people that defend melee have even played it above a super casual baby mode level

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The problem is your entire response is just it's boring. It's not explaining why you think it is. Yes it's subjective but when being subjective just making a single definitive statement to a person explains nothing.

I think most people that hate melee can't even do intended stuff like wavedashing

>Why would I watch something when I could be playing it instead?
I don't know, why would you? Is this your default reaction? Evasion and deflection, trying to shift the discussion away from your poorly presented position? Doing cool tricks in games can make them very exciting and fun. If you can't do them you might find them boring, but executing things you never knew you could do is immediately enjoyable and is one of the few things that makes video games so enjoyable for so many people. If you've never observed a technique, learned how to do it, and finally executed it you're missing one of the greatest sensations video games can provide. You're selling the experience short.

Ok, when a game's meta becomes based around exploits, it turns it into a entirely different game, and I didn't want to watch that game, I would have wanted to watch melee instead.

I'd say a decent portion on Yea Forums actually play the game. I also say that as a person who has given up on any kind of fighting game thread because nobody on Yea Forums actually plays them.

I won a local vs a player with a ssbwiki page, only took like four years of going to tournament lol

>meta based around glitches
You'll have to explain what glitches (or exploits) you're thinking of. I don't think you can call SHFFLing, dash dancing, crouch cancelling, or edge hogging either of those. I suppose you could call wavedashing an exploit? And I'm not sure about shield dropping. Certainly the game's core physics, with higher hitstun, higher gravity, and jump momentum aren't glitches.

So what in particular don't you like?

>brawl half

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God forbid a better smash comes along and renders the previous one obsolete, right?

The post you quoted was meant to save time and send everyone in the thread home since it shows by example the same tired old carbon copy responses both sides have on the subject. Such as when people complain about what they say are glitches, it erupts into arguing that they are exploits.

Wavedash was intended by sakurai

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nobody cares about your dead game

Unfortunately PM died because TOs were scared of the big N.

>people are still mad that they never thought to wavedash as a kid and call it a glitch
lol

>both sides have on the subject
It's basically I AM SILLY for one side though

Isnt PM coming back these days though?

>project m
>better
dohohohohohoohohohohohohohohohohohoho

Unless you are luigi wavedashing is little more than a glorified taunt

Combined, these two posts gave me a laugh

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Kinda, newish dev team are taking over and trying to piece back together everything that was deleted by the previous ones.

>Melee is the same 10 people in the top
>Ultimate is stale as fuck because it's just smash 4 with some changes

How do people not get bored of it? Genuinely curious, not trying to shitpost.

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No it wasn't, he saw that it was in the game and left it in cause he didnt realize that people would use it the way they do. Its the definition of an exploit.

>Unless you are luigi wavedashing is little more than a glorified taunt
Based retard

>Unless you are luigi wavedashing is little more than a glorified taunt
Hey bro can you please put on a tripcode so I can filter you

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Wow check out the non-arguments on these fellas.

Leffen is the zuko of melee

Leffen streams consists of him complaining about literally everything, even things that are his fault because hes braindead outside of pressing buttons.

Have your (You)

I personally like the gameplay of melee competitively, there's something so satisfying about the movement in it that no other game has really captured for me. I also play other fighting games competitively such as Tekken and GG but I enjoy them for different reasons.
I gave ultimate my best go at enjoying it but there's so many little things that in the end spoil the experience for me.

because gameplay. It's like not liking football because Tom Brady wins all the time

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Both Melee and Ultimate have been shit lately for their own reasons. I had high hopes for Ultimate but Snake is actively ruining any enjoyment:
>can't have proper setups and combos because of grenades
>can't shark his landing because of grenades
>can't trade with his grenades because he is a heavy-weight with a 6-frames up-tilt that kills early
>forced to shield everytime because of grenades until you eventually eat the down-throw mixup
>MVD is seeing success in competitive by just pulling grenades non-stop and spamming dash attack/dash grab
>characters that counter projectiles still struggle against grenades due to how fast the start-up is, the explosion range and how Snake can just rush them down afterwards
It's worse than Smash 4 Luma and Diddy's banana. Meanwhile Melee's only enjoyment right now is seeing who can clutch a win over Hbox, because the other matchups are genuinely stale and that's coming from someone who enjoys Plup and Zain gameplay.

>taking pride
honestly user, you're the bigger faggot here for talking about shit you know nothing about and pretending that you do

>a normal person moves on when they're done with a game even if they like it a lot
so literally consume product, move onto next product? Are you retarded?

People still playing melee is sign they aren't "done" with the game. They're still enjoying it. We probably wouldn't be having this conversation had Nintendo just kept Melee's feel the same for Brawl and forward, but nah they had to appeal to GRANDMA, and apparently people like you. Fucking casual.

TELL ME HOW WAVEDASHING FUCKING DOES ANYTHING RIGHT NOW REEEEEEEEE

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Waveshines

The fuck are those blast zones

>he saw that it was in the game and left it in

Therefore, it's NOT intended? Wha
It's actually the combos. Combos in melee are more varied than in literally any other game with combos (melee isn't really a "fighting game" but whatever)

With all the different things you can do on defence,(DI SDI teching, slide off etc) and the number of combo moves that have high scaling (Rather than fixed) knockback, the combos are so exciting because they rely heavily on being unpredictable, especially at higher levels

This is a BIG reason why people hate puff. Her combos revolve around setting up repetitive situations like rinse n repeat edgeguards, and up throw tech chase. Also you can't DI rest. Ur just dead at whatever %, regardless of stage position or whatever else

What I miss is jump momentum. Why the fuck did you have to ruin it Sakurai?

Yoshi's Story is a small stage

smallest stage, strong move, light character getting hit and the pikichu had absolutely terrible DI.

>same characters as it is every year
yeah what a shock

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not ridiculously huge like the newer games

Ledge dash. Also wavedash out of shield. Inb4 I have to painstakingly explain why being able wavedash out of shield is useful and adds to the game.
This is the most obvious and representative example. The wavedash mechanic enables insanely technical, high apm, fun to watch, fun to perform combos as fox and falco. It also enables fox to be really really gay sometimes, yin and yang I guess

competitive smash is gay and cancer

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I suggest all of you melee fags check project nx. Some based Chilean dude is modding ultimate to have a better feeling on the movement.

>ice climbers
>pika

What do you want, Link or something? What are ur favorite competitive games, shrekanon

Waveshining honestly isn't that hard to deal with, I swear most people don't bother trying to SDI it.

go back to Steve posting or complaining about how Ganondorf and Krool are literally unbeatable

I saw the gameplay for it and it looked good. Also saw a lot of people butthurt about it because poor papa Sakurai worked hard on ultimate, you can't change it!

>there is something more satisfying about the movement
Many characters retain their momentum from run to jump and it just doesn't happen on any meaningful level for ANY character in any Smash game after Melee.

they completely fucked one of the REQUIRED aspects of a platformer. MOVEMENT CONVERSION FROM RUN TO JUMP. Go play Captain Falcon in Melee and then try it in Ultimate. It fucking SUCKS to run and jump around with Falcon in ultimate and it kills me inside.

Smol lef

>Wavelands off platforms, which have a variety of uses both on and off stage
>waveland edge hogs
>ledge dashing by dropping off ledge, short hopping, then wavedashing. This is crucial to your recovery as it adds another option on ledge
>wave shines for Fox and Falco
>general movement on the ground for Luigi, Ice Climbers, and Samus
>makes it easier to land grabs and smash attacks

There are even more uses that I haven't even mentioned.

>Meleefags are too cripplingly invested in the one video game that they're fans of to ever leave it or learn something new

Nobody is surprised by this. They'll cling to Melee until the day they die. It's the only thing they have in their lives that makes them feel like they can achieve anything.

Yeah it looks very good, hopefully it gains traction, at least PM levels of traction to becaume an actual tournament eligible game

That's because SDI is difficult to begin with. It requires a lot of practice to do consistently.

they'll leave when Nintendo makes a better game, not just one with more keys dangling in front of your face

When getting waveshined you can basically just mashing the stick up and in.

Personally I can't watch melee. It always felt like dumb button mashing to me. The way the game looks and "feels" to watch (so animation, effect, sound etc...) is also not really appealing either.

remember Project M

I also play user. I don't really give a fuck who's at the top as long as I can see some impressive play. I don't really watch or play Ult

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No they won't. They'll try it, find that it includes some technique that they've never encountered before, and scurry off back to Melee. They aren't smash fans; they're melee fans.

Still has a scene at my locals. It even gets more entrants than SFV does which isn't really saying much.

I avoid smash threads except when to tell people that they are cancer.

i cant even play falcon because i keep expecting him to play like he did in melee. My muscle memory keeps thinking its the same but it isnt. Ultimate is by no means perfect and it fucked over some characters

To be fair, Pika is just kind of a given now given how Axe gets top 8 very consistently

I love Melee and am okay with Ult.

>evidence.zip
More like a bodybag.zip

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M

Really?

PM is fun, so good on them. It definitely has a lot of flaws but it's very clearly a product of love.

there is exactly 1 thing you can call an 'exploit', that being wavedashing. which sakurai was at the very least aware of if he didnt outright intend it.
the meta is absolutely not based around wavedashing. wavedashing is a tool every character has but universal mechanics are hardly new.
there are glitches yes, like yoyo glitch and soul stunner but these are completely impractical and are attached to low tiers. pokemon stadium being janky is solved by freezing the stage, which many scenes have done.
you can win with any character until you enter the top echelons of play, exactly like every fighting game in existence.
the faults of melee in my opinion are L-canceling and the timer ruleset.
fox is not a dominating force in any level of play, and tournaments over the last few years have had never before seen character diversity. in fact, the supposed best character in the game is regarded as beatable by every high tier character, unlike floaties and sheik who have matchups among top tiers that are insurmountable for their opponent.
i don't understand why the number of available characters would turn you off a game.
if you 'dont like playing in tournaments' why would you give a shit how many characters were viable in the first place?
tournament viewership is directly proportional to community support. why run streams that no one watches? the fact of the matter is that if people enjoy watching melee, they will. ads are a means to an end.
there is no correlation between you enjoying ultimate and you not being competitive.
mentioning ultimate at all is irrelevant in a discussion about melee

Yeah, it gets probably only 10 or so entrants at our monthly, partly because it starts at like 10 am and most people are too lazy to show up that early.

yes, anything besides the usual suspects. the community has seen the same people come out on top ninety quadrillion times already

He is streaming himself playing because its easy money. Until he actually enters and wins a major, I wouldn't get too excited.

fighting games that aren't street fighter 5 are unironically too hard. at least with smash you can feel like you're good before finally going to a tournament and getting dumpstered by someone who has seriously played for 2 months and then watching them get jv5'd by the top player in the region

Tekken and UNIST usually have decent threads on Yea Forums until one of the dedicated autists show up and shit on everything.

>top 10 people are the same
while this has truth to it, you are seriously SERIOUSLY missing out if you are only watching top 8's and not everything before it. the best matches always happen in top 48 or top 64 or whatever.

play skullgirls nigga, it'll actually teach you how to play the game and also give you stuff to carry over to other fighting games. Also the community is dedicated.

>Also the community is dedicated.
Dedicated to fat posting maybe.

They're gonna nerf Bowser already because of shitters

Feelsbadman

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Based spare-time user, responding to a tantrum post

Unga bowser is one of the few things I enjoy playing. I feel like I could win matches just side smashing retards.

>Fox is the best character
Nigga you haven't even watched a single set of melee since 2015. There is a grand total of ONE Fox main (Leffen) in the current Top 10 and it has stayed that way ever since Armada retired last year.

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wavedashing might seem like a shit thing to do because it puts your character in lag while being slower than dashing and doesnt put out a hitbox. from an FGC perspective it would be like a slower forward or backdash. however the important thing to remember is that smash isn't a fighting game and movement is a serious component, moreso than almost everything else. in that regard wavedashing becomes good because it's another option, another way to move. this is disregarding all its 'true' applications like waveshining.
let me give you an example. in smash, running is a state in which you can do four things: jump forward, shield, dash attack, or do a very slow turnaround animation (gif related). only one of these things allows you to stop moving forward: the very slow turnaround animation. however, you can still jump, which means you can wavedash, which means you can wavedash backwards, letting you move backwards after dashing forwards in a way that is much safer, less laggy and generally straight up better than going through the very slow turnaround animation

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Feels good to live in Florida, the monthly gets 30-40

Then i get bopped early in top16 :(

When dashing you can also crouch to cancel all momentum.

You forgot that you can crouch from run, and dash back 4 frames later :^)

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oh yeah. i guess you can do the wizzy thing where you crouch and dash back.

pm sucks.

The crouch and then dash back is probably more useful for characters like peach so she can turn around dash attack or float cancel aerial.

I'm sure people would've shat all over melee if tournament play was as popular in the smash 64 days as it is now. I wonder if people ever think about that. They've played this game for 18 years and they won't even give another one a year before proclaiming that it's dead.

if you don't enjoy the game why are you in this thread?

>this melee shitposting thread I made got more (yous) than the Ultimate tourney thread did yesterday
ohnonono

Brood War is still getting played 20 years later.

No one hates Melee, it's Meleefags and years of Meleefags shitting on the other games that piss people off.

Nah, all the later versions of smash are stripped down versions of melee. 64 to melee was just adding a bunch of awesome mechanics, adding a new dynamic combo system, and more characters with faster gameplay.

If you could describe ultimate relative to melee in all those terms (fast gameplay, cooler combos, more mechanics,) rather than just one (more characters), then you would have seen hundreds or thousands of serious melee players leaving and not looking back

Oh yeah also the online for ultimate is fucking embarrassing. How is it worse than fucking dolphin netplay peer to peer with McDonald's wifi? Jesus

>melee scene evolved without the game getting patches
>nowadays people bitch and moan at devs to change everything constantly
>games don't evolve and instead swing back and forth between flavor of the patch metas
it's sad how players are killing video games desu

>No one hates melee,

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I guess but from what I heard competitive smash actually began in melee, and not in 64.

Imagine if NTSC Melee were released to a wife audience today. Sheik and Marth would instantly get giga nerfed, Fox and Puff would most likely get buffs or something stupid

I actually don't understand Ultimate's online. I got a better connection using my phone data to play my friend on the other side of the world than I do playing people using. A proper wired connection.

Nah he's just scamming the smash community for money so he doesn't have to work

>FIRST I'LL BODYBAG YOUR FOX

Maybe if you're a diehard kirby main

Nobody understands it

Armada is never coming back.

Yeah honestly 64 was a good game, but not so obviously awesome like melee that competitive crews spontaneously formed all over the country like with melee. It's all thanks to DI, the most important addition from 64. That and the fact that most characters didnt move slow like molasses, as in later entries

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best playstyle, retired at the top.

are people not allowed to get excited about anything, you cynical autist?

Armada will return when he cracks puff

Just play puff. Your uptilt kills in 1 hit now rather than 7

He did, though. He lost exactly once to Hbox in his last year and 3-0d him in his last ever tournament set with him.

Armada quit because after cracking Puff there was nothing left to do.

>people used to shit post about Brawl vs. Melee
>then 4 vs. Melee
>Now ultimate vs. Melee

Melee has lasted the test of time. Truly a GOAT game. When the next Smash comes, Melee will still be discussed. How did Sakurai do it?

I doubt people think about this often. If melee HD ever happened I'm sure it would suffer the same fate too

sakurai obviously hates melee/competitive scene, just look at fuckin brawl.

>soul stunner
What? I've been playing melee for a while, and I've never heard of that.

In a weird way I miss Brawl. It was a terrible broken and janky game but it was still more enjoyable than 4

I remember watching melee on TV on that one gaming channel. Amazed that scene still going

its weird to me how melee has lasted so long, but FGs like SF3rd Strike and MvC2 died so hard. I wish they lasted as long.

From all of the interviews I've read from him I can only make sense of Melee being a total accident, or at the very least something the team only wanted to try at the time and then had to dial back as the games became normalfag central. There wasn't a lot of time between 64 releasing and Melee releasing so you can imagine the breakneck speed they went through to develop it. Even just graphically video games were having their biggest period of change and general improvement in those years.

A lot of the SF community are starting to come around to the idea you can play the game you like over the newest one after how terrible SFV has been to them.

>ppmd pauses match mid stream to thank donators
Unfollowed at that moment.

If that were true SF4AE wouldnt be dead considering its the best the series has ever been.

Evo is gonna come begging us back,bro. just look at them imploding over how bad most of their games are

i wish sfv never came out, until maybe the RE engine happened.

>3 Snakes, and one of them (who actually won the tournament) actually was forced to change his main for fucking MARIO
Except he played Snake 99% of the time, including the entirety of grand finals. He used Mario in exactly one game outside of pools, in a set he was winning already. Do you mean changed FROM Mario? As in, when moving from 4 to Ultimate? Because he played Snake in Brawl. Do you think the OP image listing Snake then Mario indicates the order he played the characters? Myran has also reached top 8 in multiple previous Ultimate tournaments, including majors, what are you talking about?

Who knows maybe based Wiz finally runs it into the ground before 2020

youtube.com/watch?v=wbWGstVRtGc

Would you expect any different from him of all people? He seems like the type to be extremely grateful for nearly anything.

im getting sick of this shit and i hope everyone else is too

balance patches should be used SPARINGLY and only for glaring disparities.

How does it feel that tournaments can now save every hype as fuck play from every set played at the venue?
youtube.com/watch?v=KHmSQRVc2Sw&t=517s

>tfw Ultimate is going to devolve into a defensive camp fest with Olimar/Snake

Thank god i did not buy the fighter pass.

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I don't hate the idea of seasons for patches where you can change it up after a significant time.

I fucking love Slippi, I would hope other games get something like it in the future.

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whatever happened to amsa moving to Canada?

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>he saw that it was in the game and left it in
>Therefore, it's NOT intended? Wha
Pretty common in QA. Games don't wait until all the bugs are fixed to ship, and chances are any bug you experienced playing a released game wasn't something that they missed. They were either unable to fix it in time or considered it not even worth fixing because they didn't think it mattered. Most of the time, they're right.

You can crouch out of run, not dash.

yeah, guys! there's so much more to the smelee metagame, such as jigglypuff and... uh....

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big boy marth

>dudes Ultimate is fucking epic. It's fast and totally different then the last Smash! You just gotta give it time bro. I know I said this about Brawl...and Smash 4 but this time for real! It's totally balanced and everything anybody wants!
>mfw watching Snake and Olimar throw grenades and pikmin at each other for 5.9 hours in grand finals

Next Smash for sure, right guys?

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>Marth
>Sheik

>we will literally never ever get a sequel to the HAL Smashes

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If Wizzy didn't have a face caked in acne he would be a chad desu

>dude look at this skill
>so big brain
>5000 IQ

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His giant dick makes up for it

sunken gamer eyes

I hate Ultimate commentary. I also hate most Melee commentary but that's another story.

he's a schizoid and sounds like he has a speech defect
he's also short and dating an asian girl

>he's a schizoid and sounds like he has a speech defect
>he's also short
None of that matters if you have a good looking face and are semi fit.
Take the facepill user.

Hbox exists.

you are delusional and have also never watched any interview or stream with him speaking

If you have a good looking face girls will cope with your social awkwardness and see it as a cute trait. Sorry if that makes you angry but its 100% true.

>and that's coming from someone who enjoys Plup and Zain gameplay.
what does this have to do with anything?

I got Ridley, bitch. Melee can suck my dick.

kys salem. Keep winning big tournaments and you can talk

nobody cares about ridley they just wanted something to bitch about

I will if the documentary ever comes out and gains traction like The Smash Brothers

Whatever.
His only engaging sets were against Mew2King.

This doesn't apply for most people but I play a somewhat unpopular low tier in 4+Ult, which means that I get to be the one pushing my own character's meta. I can understand why it's boring as fuck for top tiers but there's nothing stale about your own character if they never had many good players to develop a winning gameplan before or compiled a ton of high-level resources.

I and many others who were hyped after his reveal care. Sorry you're so latched on to Melee that no new Smash can excite you because 15 years of doowop shinespank waveslap practice would go to waste.

He will return in a year his stream is already dying and he won't have it in him to work a real job.

>Talking about stale meta and praising Melee in the same beat

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No, it isn't weird, because they play for a living and the only source of money is Capcom for whatever the latest game is.

>want to become a top level player regionally for Ultimate
>also want to dip my toes into Melee
>not sure what to do

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Melee sucks because link sucks in it. That is all.

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>Imagine if NTSC Melee were released to a wife audience today. Sheik and Marth would instantly get giga nerfed, Fox and Puff would most likely get buffs
excepting puff, exactly the opposite happened with tr45h

I hate compfags because of you guys sakurai decided to make every sequel worse on purpose

You could always just play both games for a month and then decide which you prefer. In the long run I'd say you will probably only get to stick with one if you want to see competitive success unless your region is really small.
>he who chases two hares catches neither

Link isn't good in any Official Smash game, no, not even ultimate.

Why are you so intimidated and scared of ultimate? You clearly are. Little boy.

If the meta is stale then Sakurai should nerf the stupid characters just enough to make them mid tier, buff the badder characters to bring up to the same. Then let everyone use their favorite character instead of just flowchart stat graphing the utmost best. I mean I know perfect balance is impossible but get as close as you can. The fact the "pros" just use the best is what makes it stale. Why not require every match have random characters selected? The true chad pro could pull ahead and win regardless.

Ultimate is definitely the best he's ever been and that's all the matters to me I have no reason for melee anymore

>The manchildren stick with their childhood
What a fucking supprise

t.underage

has he been living on disability this whole time or something?
he has enough time to post on Smashboards every day

if the game is unbalanced, why not simply balance it

Wow you sound perfect for the balance team, you will fit right in with the other retards working there.

>his stream is already dying
yeah right

i get the strong impression you're a faggot

t. Palutena/Pichu/Wolf/Peach/Snake/Olimar user.
>Leave my characters that invalidate 90% of the roster alone! :(

>is a zoomer

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It absolute is, after the last bit of Ultimate hype dies his stream will return to the 100 views max it was before.

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>Thinking me maining a top tier would affect your statement being retarded.
I don't even play Ultimate enough to have a main but nerfing good characters is a great way to kill your game see sm4sh as a example of this. Its better to buff bad characters to top tiers instead.

>tfw live in Japan
>tfw here Ultimate is triving
Thank fuck I don’t have to play with smelly, elitist, American hipsters. Melee doesn’t even have my main.

by this logic his stream was already dead before the artificial inflation from people who were curious how the legendary Armada would perform in the newest game

I swear every retard doesn't understand who buffing the bottom is vastly superior to needing the top.

It was, when he was still active in melee he would barely pull 200 views.

But melee is massive in Japan?

It was. He's not a good streamer. His personality just isn't conducive for entertaining streams

Not to my knowledge, and I live in Tokyo. I go to weeklies at Ikebukuro, and it’s pretty much just Ultimate. Everyone has moved on.

Looks like I am also a retard and should sleep.

So you're saying Bayonetta in 4 should have been left alone and that should have taken a shit ton of hours buffing EVERYONE else instead? That or you feel they shouldn't have done anything. Yet you're calling me retarded. Goody.

Doesn't explain how it's one of the most active melee scenes though.

>So you're saying Bayonetta in 4 should have been left alone and that should have taken a shit ton of hours buffing EVERYONE else instead?
Yes I do.
The only reason Bayo was so broken in the first place is because they went around nerfing everyone to shit before she came out anyways.

i went to a melee weekly once and everyone was annoying as hell except the people like me who were bad and not regulars

0% to kill is unacceptable. Fucking fight me.

I don't fight retards sorry.

Cringe and strawpilled

Well, you’re gonna need to do more that just say that it is if you wanna be believed. Again, I live here, it’s Ultimate as far as the eye can see. Maybe Melee has niche pockets that I haven’t found you, but the Ultimate scene is massive. Pretty much everyone plays it.

No and I say that as a Melee player. There is a scene for it obviously but all of the Smash players in Japan that have anything to do with tournaments are in Tokyo or have to travel there and they've always been on the new game hype harder than even people here in America. They gave us great players like aMSa, Zoma, Rudolph, Bombsoldier, CaptainJack, etc. so it's all good in my book.

what are the chudat chronicles

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If something like PM or slap city had been the successor to melee the overwhelming majority of pros would've transferred over. The problem is later smash games didn't have the things that made melee interesting.

>muh viewers

so how much money do all these viewers add to melee?

oh right its zero lmao

>this happened once

Pound is the only major for Ultimate so far where top 8 features fewer unique characters than participants.

They have a refreshing playstyle

That's pretty impressive

take a shower

beautiful

Yea Forums is shit at vidya

>The prize pools suck and your own company doesn't fucking care about you.
>nigglets getting militantly defensive over games solely because of MUH ESPORTS

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I AM SILLY

literally this
I'm sick of every fps being so similar, every fighting game being a slightly different flavoured street fighter or tekken.
I want games to have /new/ and /unique/ mechanics and movement systems. Be it intended or not, the things that Melee and Quake proven can be done is truly what the "art form of videogames" should be. Not a constant goose chase for the highest definition Choose Your Own Adventure book.

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great post but I disagree with
>the faults of melee in my opinion are L-canceling [...]
because it's what gives spot-dodge its power. If someone pressures shield with SHFFL, they're going to predict hitlag and change the L-timing accordingly. If you spot-dodge the attack then there is no hitlag and the aggressor is left open to counter-attack. Because a failed L-cancel puts L-cancelling and teching on a 1 second cooldown, you then have free range to do whatever combo you want. It's a huge risk/reward system that I feel doesn't get discussed nearly enough as it should
t. enthusiastic samus main

Melee link is actually not that bad, pm link is great though

It's even simpler than this I think. L canceling is just a simple necessary skill widener to seperate the wheat from the chaff

t. moron that doesn't understand competition

Not him, but you can do multiple l-cancel inputs such that it l-cancels on hit or whiff. The cooldown is not 1 second, it's much less than that. The only limitation is that you can't start a new l-cancel input during the l-cancel window.
youtube.com/watch?v=U4whcJspFZ0

Can confirm leffen is still the most autistic faggot in the smash community.

Based and redpilled.

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