So it was a simulation right?

So it was a simulation right?

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Probably

I haven't played this game in years, but how did you get from the shell to a rooftop in new york?

Does it matter?

Ride on arsenal gear

Arsenal Gear went on a collision course throughout Manhattan and into Federal Hall.

Blame 9/11 for removing the context

It was all staged. A "simulation" in the real world, not in cyberspace. Raiden just wasn't in on it.

Nanomachines son.

They cut the scene of arsenal crashing through Manhattan because it came out right after 9/11
It still clearly shows they are on top of arsenal.

It was the Solid Snake Simulation.

The Patriots were training a puppet (Raiden) to have the same skills as Snake but would follow their instructions.

MGS2 gets more relevant every year...

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I will confess, I have never once listened to the speech the AI gives at the end of the game.

It's just hard to suddenly care about a speech from a character who has been lying to you the entire game.

Inb4 "the AI had no reason to lie at that point", that does not matter. It's the fact it's been lying for a longass time BEFORE the speech is why I can't care about he speech

am i the only one whos ps2 game made them play as raiden on the big shell first and THEN unlocked the tanker level?

you must have selected the wrong option at the start of the game

Why do you post the SAME FUCKING SHIT on EVERY MGS2 thread you insufferable sperg?

It being a simulation does not mean it was virtual or fake

No, that e-celeb is a fucking mongoloid.

They are standing on top of Arsenal Gear as it barely breaks the surface. The octagon is merely a gameplay convenience masked in symbolism.

>ignore character because he hurt your fueewings
Autism right there.

Actual autism, not the hurr durr everything is autism on Yea Forums, but real diagnosed autism.

to be fair, all the crazy shit near the end, including fighting 20 Giant robots like it was no problem, made people think MGS2 was VR

>>ignore character because he hurt your fueewings

Hurt feelings? He was a lying piece of shit.

SuperBunnyHop's videos are unmistakably self masturbatory yes but...how do you Snake's infinite ammo? the arena in which Raiden fights the Metal Gear Ray's, Fortune's abilities ect; is it typical MGS fantasy schlock?

is that an option then? all ive read online is that you play the tanker mission first, but i remember only playing the tanker after playing as raiden

Are you done whining? Then get on with the mission. That is your "role".

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It was real in that he was actually there fighting etc but it was a "gauntlet" staged by the Patriots to emulate Snake's involvement at Shadow Moses

Damn, MGS2 was a fucking masterpiece. What happened to Kojima?

>taking a gag seriously and trying to make sense of it

Why are people so tone deaf?

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You know Kojima copied that from a book, don't you

what book is that

He went off the deep end and made MGS4 to try to both close the series and please fans but neither happened

1984

This is so unbelievably pathetic, and low. The type of person who would have everything come crashing down and feel righteous while it's happening. You'll never be a man, faggot.

Everything about MGS2 is fucking retarded.

Solidus was the fucking president. An oil rig (which is what people thought it was as it's what the media reported) crashed straight through fucking New York. And then what happened? It's never mentioned again.

It's supposed to represent the power of the media. Arsenal Gear (which is a huge ass submarine thing, not the whole Big Shell) crashes onto New York and people ignores it because media is hiding it.

It's not played very well, but it's a metaphor

it got referenced as the Manhattan Incident in MGS4

MGS4 pretty much told you outright that the events of MGS2 were real.

It's annoying how after all these years, newfags to the series don't understand that "simulation" doesn't mean it takes place in a computer.

remember 9/11? turn the plane into a sub

Which is outstanding since during MGS2 Campbell and Rose were AIs.
Kojima retconning himself is amazing.

Rose was AI only for a brief while during the middle section of the game you absolute retard

>thinking any part of the game was real

No, she was from start to end you dumbass.
Go play MGS2 again.

Not him but I haven´t played it since the game was new. How isn´t Rose real? Doesn´t she and Raiden hook up after the game?

before the game actually
she was a Patriot plant but fell for Raiden

>she was a Patriot plant but fell for Raiden

supposedly, remember the patriots are in full swing until the end of MGS4 where she fakes her cheating apparently and then Raiden is cool with it in rising which is all kinds of confusing

hell, 4 did the most "Don't worry about it" shit when it came to 2