Just beat Danganronpa 2...

Yeah, V3 is good. I'd recommend a long pause though if you've been marathoning the series.

patrician

Retarded snowflakes

Yeah, I'm definitely going to take a break and play S;G0 and AAI2 first.

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Who gives a shit about the plot, we all know what made this game enjoyable

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V3 is the best game by a country mile and the only one with a satisfying ending

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>The characters are avatars, copies of the originals stripped of their more recent memories. These are separate from their original selves which still exist in their comatose bodies.
I genuinely thought this was going to be the twist for 1, as if it was some fucking horrific ethics exam or something and all the pictures they were finding of the deceased were them enjoying their school life after they left the simulation.

>undermines the entire series
>satisfying ending

the fuck?

It doesn't undermine a fucking thing, the entire point was that a story being fictional does not mean that it can't be sincere and have meaning to the people enjoying them.

>If they choose to terminate the program the avatars will be deleted and the originals will wake up.
So... if everyone's avatars got deleted anyway, then why those who died in the game are still vegetables? Isn't having your avatar deleted essentially the same as being murdered while in-game?

They really didn't think this through, did they.

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>It doesn't undermine a fucking thing,

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S;G0 is pretty disappointing unfortunately, play Chaos;Child if you want something as good as the original S;G.

just go play ace attorney already

great bait

hatting a badly written ending is "bait"

man, people are right. The V3 fanbase is the worst part of DR

>ruins the entire DR series
what did he mean by this?

when your bait is exposed you can't bring it back man, I'm sorry
try again next thread

The fuck are you talking about, the idea behind it is that they would lose all memory of what happened inside the simulation.
Losing those memories would mean they would revert back to ultimate despair, not know what they went through, and undo all their own personal efforts.

Based aai2 is so good

If the ending being trite is your problem 3's is as far as possible from that as you can get.

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>the culprit for 3/5 of them are pretty fucking easy to guess
>5
not a single one of them was. from 1 it was game breaking, 2 it was a plot twist, maybe youre right for v3 but it provided a bit of thinking nonetheless

DR2 is the best ending in the series, brainlet

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Not him but honestly you're not coming up with anything to argue with him.

Why bother when the first "argument" is "bait" without trying to explain why it's "bait"?

>lol dude just believe in yourself and wish all your problems away
This anime trope needs to die.

Am I having a stroke or did you misunderstand what I said
I meant that three out of five of the culprits in V3 were easy to guess.

But the first argument was this And you just posted this

That's one of the biggest cop outs I've seen. A message like that is not an excuse for a shit ending.

oh yea i guess i wasnt able to understand that was three fifths

It looked like you meant case 3-5.

Play V3. Best presentation, gameplay, art. Just the ending causes people to sperg out

Why is every DR thread filled with retards who couldn't even get why V3 is so great?

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Bruh get some taste it’s cheesy in all the right ways.
V3 is the best game desu.

Reminder that v3 has the best canon ending

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But the ending was fine amd the climax was entertaining as well. You also said that the ending neutralizes the other DR games and you have to been not paying attention to think that

The ending personally attacked them

the bad ending sours the entire experience

What a bunch of babies.

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V3 has the best ending in the series.

I agree.

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Looks like the brainlets are out in full force today.
Absolutely seething over an ending they don’t understand the concept and/or appeal of.
When will they learn?

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>Have your ending in 3 kill off any chance of a new danganronpa because it's been done to death
>Go and start a new studio to work on a game with kids forced to play a killing game

Is the creator retarded?

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They’d have to be pretty retarded to feel attacked.

absolutely based, imagine being so attached to the first two games' shitty plot that you can't appreciate when it finally gets decent for once

It can be a killing game without being a copy of danganronpa, retard.

>Chiaki: "You can't let other people control your future. Don't let yourself be paralyzed by fear and indecision. You need to have confidence in yourself and make your own choices. Keep moving forward and no matter where you end up, at least you'll know it's the future you chose. Believe that you can do better and you can change your future."
>brainlets: uhh "just do it and things will work out" what's this cringey anime stuff in my wacky anime game??
Chiaki's speech to Hajime and leading him through his confrontation with his shadow in Izuru is just playing out the same message that Monomi gave earlier, that the whole game has been echoing.
Don't let other people's expectations control your life. Trying to become something you're not is just setting yourself up to fail. Find value in who you are instead. Love yourself and support yourself, build the confidence to create your own future.

It's an unashamedly idealistic message that anyone can find value in. People who drown themselves in irony and cynicism, the ones who need it most, like to laugh it off and get hung up on what's literally happening instead of listening to what being said and done.

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Agreed. To be fair, the first two games have pretty weak endings.

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v3 was great until the ending. 1's ending provides knowledge about what the fuck is going on and is inspirational the way it should be, since... you know, the protag is shsl hope

2's ending develops every character letting us know that everyone was despair and leaves you thinking about how they turned out that way (even though the anime fucked that up). the message at the end sucked though and i agree with OP for that

then theres v3's ending. it doesnt extend or develop the story in any way, none of the characters that died are accounted for, the whole trial is all about how fiction gets you involved in stuff, as if this was a message that we needed to perceive and have in our lives. you know, its not like we absolutely love the franchise already to the point of playing 3 games, one of which is actually an action game, and watched an anime about it; we definitely needed someone to ruin the continuity of the games and tell us that stories matter

Im glad for you. This OBJECTIVE chart will help you to play it better. Also, dont forget that IBUKI WORST GIRL!!!

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>he literally couldn't get enough danganronpa

Fuyuhiko should be there

>it doesnt extend or develop the story in any way
Because the story has came to an end bud. Hating an ending because it's put a series you adored to rest doesn't make it bad no matter how much crying is done.

Danganronpa is shit and I'll never understand what's the appeal of it. I know there's a lack of Ace Attorney games, but come on

Nagito is literally never the first suspect floated in the Trials, for two chapters it was practically impossible for him to have been involved in the murder and in a third we have his perspective in the investigation and know he wasn't involved.
2-1: Fuyuhiko and Peko
2-2: Hiyoko
2-3: Hajime
2-4: Kazuichi
2-5: The traitor

>You also said that the ending neutralizes the other DR games and you have to been not paying attention to think that
I didn't say that

Stop being salty about it.

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Best protagonist too.

he thinks you and the guy who bitched about the ending at the start of the thread are the same person

1's ending doesn't give any real resolution to the bigger picture, we don't see anything outside the school and have no real reason to believe most of what Junko says or presents as evidence. The message is totally shallow and vanilla, nothing deeper to it than "when things get bad don't lose Hope!"

i know about that, but the development of the story actually ends at chapter 5. chapter 6 and 7 are as a whole just a message; all they add are "danganronpa was actually a show", which would be okay if they elaborated it more, but they didnt

What was your reaction when you first heard this?
youtube.com/watch?v=kseNU4O0I6I

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v3 is the best game with the best ending , but it goes over the heads of low IQ plebs as any other artistic piece of gaming

As always she was right.

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>he doesn’t even understand DR1’s ending
OH IM LAUGHING
1 leaves off the same as V3 did. Not knowing if the villain was lying about the outside world or not, but still heading into it with the bravery to face whatever is there.
I swear the only reason some people hate V3’s ending but not 1 is because we got 2 shortly after. If 2 took place in a different universe like V3 brainlets would be seething over that ending too.
Real fans know that 1’s ending works so much better if you view it as a stand-alone story.

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I thought we were gonna make it a better world for us kids though..

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The story your talking about got an ending in the anime. It didn’t need any extending or development.

>Just beat Danganronpa 2, and for fuck's sake the ending was such typical "just believe in yourself" anime tripe with with so many convenient asspulls it almost made me puke.
What did you expect after the absolute dogshit that was the ending to the first game. These games having fucking awful stories and I'm certain that the only reason people like them is because of the concept, presentation and waifus.

i agree. i dont think any of the endings are satisfying, kodaka is absolutely clueless when it comes to closure. i just think v3's ending was the epitome of that and did it worse than all of the others

>Hajime rejects Hope and Despair
>fucks off to tropical paradise
>Monaca rejects Hope and Despair
>fucks off to space
Is Shuichi going to be okay?

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i didnt play dr1 before sdr2 came out/was announced so i wasnt able to get much of that feeling

V3's finale is just a rehash of this game

>with a satisfying ending
>FUCK HOPE AND FUCK DESPAIR, WE'RE DONE WITH DR

>oh lol nvm let's have hope in the world outside xD

I dunno man
I kinda like the cheesyness of case 6
The mastermind oozes with personality

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Bro how do you miss the point this hard?
Fuck hope and fuck despair is referring to the fake good vs evil shit set up by team danganronpa. They aren’t saying you shouldn’t have hope or try to create your own future.

Literally didn’t get it.

>play Danganronpa
>complain about hope
Imagine being so fucking retarded that you find such lofty yet relatable ideas cringe?

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I don't care how stupid anyone says it is, Hajime's eyes rotating from prohibition signs into crosshairs when he "awakens" is pure fucking kino

I loved 2's ending. The Saiyan stuff made sense lorewise

3rd is the best DR game

They were ready to just sit around and do nothing and die because "we're tired of this shit"
And then the epilogue comes and shits on everything the ending established, leaving yet once again an open ending with a hopeful outlook
The whole finale is just a rehash of DR2 with a different coat of paint.
>"no, there isn't hope and despair, actually the answer is SECRET THIRD OPTION"
Then you have the cast already willing to make the "sacrifice" to end this thing but OH SURPRISE, ACTUALLY EVERYTHING TURNED OUT FINE LOL

>Chapter 7
wat

>The whole finale is just a rehash of DR2
This
>Mastermind is an imitation of the previous mastermind
>The killing game was a structured performance staged by the mastermind that deliberately imitated previous killing games to get a better reaction from the audience
>Hope and despair are both flawed ideologies
>The protagonist needs to find self-actualization by asserting his worth as an individual and denying that he and the others are part of the game
Yet everyone still shits on the older games while sucking V3's dick
I guess two years after Undertale the metafiction bullshit is still a guaranteed crowd pleaser, just frame your story as a Truman Show knockoff instead of MGS2 and it's that much better somehow.

>DRV3 ends with a legitimate third choice
>DR2 ends with Hajime screaming future and fixing everything despite being told it can't be done

V3 ends with Saihara screeching MUH TRUTH and telling everyone to not do anything despite being told they had to make a choice.

AA is worse than Danganronpa in basically every single way.

>brainlets thinking this is attacking them for liking the series and not a criticism on people refusing to let things end by begging for sequel after sequel that's always got to be just how they like it
Of course there's some legitimate criticism about this ending, but it seems 90% of it is from people who literally didn't get it or are actually part of what's being criticized but completely misunderstand why.

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I kept thinking Soda was the culprit because he's so suspicious.

Because of Izuru Kamukura the ultimate plot device. He went into every vegetable's subconscious and woke them up as seen in DR 2.5 ova.
His fate was the only one we knew about in DR2 as he "choose" to live as Hajime Hinata. He and Izuru had become one person when he woke up from the simulation.

Why? Because Ultimate Plot Device, that's why.

If you really think like that then you are viewing the ending from a retardedly surface level. It’s like you just took everything every character said at face value.

You don't think upsetting the audience by refusing to participate isn't a clever idea?

That’s literally false information. It literally ends with him saying sometimes it doesn’t matter if it’s the truth or a lie, just what it leads to.

How is V3's ending better than "It's all was just a dream, lmao" trope?

Because the point is that it was not?

Are you thinking of DR2? because V3 is in no way similar to that trope.

retard

It's not, V3's ending ruins the entire story of the game. Literally the whole game didn't matter because the "EPIC TWEEEST" at the end threw everything outside the window for shock value.

It's at its core a shit mystery game because instead of solving the mystery, the whole thing just ends without a conclusion, again, merely for shock value.

I do not understand how you could possibly think this when the climax of the chapter is Shuichi giving a speech about literally the opposite of what you’re saying.

>Everything actually happened
>People actually died
>B-BUT IT WAS A SHOW IT'S LIEK A DREAM!!!!!

how are you so fucking stupid

The story of V3 didn't end. It's literally all completely deleted before it ended at the final chapter.
Everything that the game was building up and leading to literally never reached a conclusion. It was all thrown out of the window for the shock value twist that everything was fake

>oh but being fictional doesn't mean it's fake! it was real for us! fiction is real!

Yeah yeah, nice dumb bullshit from South Park. Doesn't change the fact V3 got rid of its plot just for the sake of a twist at the end.

Imagine you're playing Ace Attorney and the whole story plot, everything that been building up thorough the entire game is just ignored and discarded just to have a meta twist at the end. The culprit you were looking for is never revealed, the mystery behind the big event is never revealed, etc. It all ends because you, as a game developer, decide it would be "funnier" to just have a meta twist at the end and give the players an absolute unsatisfying and anticlimatic finale.

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S;G0 is fuuucking trash. Linear Bounded Phenogram is mostly good if you want some spin off stuff with the same characters.

goosebumps and a hard-on

Are you retarded or what? The culprit is revealed as are the motives.

Imagine you were reading Harry Potter for years only for the last book to have a twist at the end that they were all actors and the whole setting of Hogwarts and witches was just a stage play.

Eh, Phoenix Wright is stagnant so I wouldn't mind them wiping the slate clean and starting over.

Imagine being a brainlet

The fact that you are comparing it to that South Park episode shows that you literally do not understand the concept of the ending of V3 on a very fundamental level. Please do us all a favor and go back to special ed.

If every Harry Potter book ended on some crazy twist meant to subvert audience expectations, you'd be retarded to get worked up over it.

>the fact V3 got rid of its plot just for the sake of a twist at the end.

just like how MGS2 did the same damn thing

This DR thread is shit because it started with complaining instead of waifus

Shuichi already fucked off to S O C I E T Y.

The culprit and motives of the V3 story that replaced the main game's story at the final chapter.
V3 is, again, a shit mystery game because it doesn't solve any mystery. All it does is throw away its story and just have a meta twist at the end.

Much like End of Evangelion.

Because that’s DR2’s ending.

We can complain about waifus.

Mahiru is garbage and should have died first. Tenko is Mahiru but done right.

>huuurrrr it's 2deep4u
Just fuck off, you're as bad as the MGS2 who get so easily impressed by bottom of the barrel mediocre meta shit.
>woooaao so meta! xd so smart and witty!

>everything was fake
it wasn't fake you fucking dumbass
holy fuck

There is fucking nothing meta about it you absolute brainlet. You can read it in meta ways but the same is true in any other story. Literally nothing in V3 breaks the 4th wall. Holy shit I can't believe people can be this retarded.

>Tenko is Mahiru
Based retard who didn't understand Mahiru

Let's agree to disagree.
At least we all agree first ending was the worst. c:

>just like how MGS2 did the same damn thing
You're not drawing a fair comparison since it's twist is related to the plot, no one had any expectations of Raiden which is what made it so interesting.
>The fact that you are comparing it to that South Park episode shows that you literally do not understand the concept of the ending of V3 on a very fundamental level. Please do us all a favor and go back to special ed.
Not him but if the comparison is fair then you should try acknowledging it instead of slinging out ad hominems.
At least Phoenix Wright is good at what it does.
>The culprit is revealed as are the motives.
Tsumugi isn't the real "culprit" for a fact, there's a team backing it and she's only around her teens while the show has gone on for "53 seasons".
The motives are complete dogshit because
1. The Future Foundation should by all means exist.
2. The audience of Danganronpa is probably retarded
3. It's implied it's a regular world out there than anything else.
4. The audience suddenly doesn't want more danganronpa and just turn off the TV and don't vote Hope.
gee what a conclusive ending, it was all a tv show and it just ends not like anyone can just pick it up again eventually.

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The whole fucking point is that everything was fake in V3, but that it's "not fake" because it was "real" to those who experienced it.
Holy shit, you're such a fucking dumbass.

So, back to that Harry Potter example, if everything turned out to be fake at the end, would you be "oooh but it was real for us, the readers, up until now! i-it doesn't matter if it was fake in the end, because we felt like it was real"

It's fucking sappy and cheesy mediocre way of a writer to make you feel "better" about finding out that something you liked was fake all along and telling you "but if u thought it was real, then it was real!" bullshit.

Can't believe you faggots fall for such corny bullshit so easily.

Whats wrong hopeman?

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It isn’t a fair comparison you absolute fucking buffoon. You would have to be a bib wearing dribbling retard to think that.

So you just agreed with me and called me a retard, does that say the same for you?

This thread.

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You're a fucking idiot. "Those who experienced it" are the fucking characters in the game. Aside from Tsumugi, no one was in on it. They were not actors, all the things that happened to them actually happened to them and all the people that died actually died.

It makes me angry how fucking idiotic people can be.

>The whole fucking point is that everything was fake in V3 but that it's "not fake" because it was "real" to those who experienced it.
no. how, just how can you still be this fucking stupid

You said if the comparison to the South Park episode is fair then I should acknowledge it. I said it wasn’t a fair comparison. In what way is that meant to agree with you? Are you having a stroke or something?

I agree. While the gameplay in trials wasn't the best in the series obviously, I feel like the first game had the best cast and actually felt like people who were all at each other's throats.
For contrast, everyone always has fucking parties and works together and shit even from the beginning in SDR2 and V3.

Now you know what MGS fans have to endure with MGS2tards.

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>Danganronpa 2: Hajime and the rest of survivors that are all braindead except baby gangsta get placed in a complex moral dilemma where they either kill themselves via identity death or they would revert to their evil personalities and destroy the world again
>instead of thinking hard about it Hajime just shouts FUTURE FUTURE FUTUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and everything gets a happy ending
>DR V3: CHADichi CHADhara and his LIFELONG FRIENDS overcome a huge personality crisis over their personalities being fabricated and absolutely BTFO the villian with actual planning and logic even if his strategy would cost them their lives, and they BTFO hopefags and despairfags so far that brainlets still seethe about the ending

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>and everything gets a happy ending
just like V3.

I don't even watch south park, I asked you to compare it instead of insulting him.

>Danganronpa 1
>The straggling survivors of the first killing game overpower their foe through sheer cunning will and no special powers, escaping into the outside world to make something for themselves
Why is this even an argument? The first game has the best ending.

Everyone calls it bad because they're desperate to make V3's look good.

>I can destroy an enemy food shack, force them into starvation and then feed them my rotton food
Jesus, just run up and choke them into unconsciousness you weirdo. Who has time to wait for that shit?

No, it's not. DR1 is full of fucking retarded people doing retarded things.

They're teenagers. Of course they're going to do stupid things and be super fucking rash, quick tempered, etc.
I also am not sure which part you're talking about. Please elaborate.

except 13 are dead and they're stuck with personalities and memories that are fabricated and they're somewhere unknown but hey

Oh so just like DR1 then.

Danganronpa 1 ends with ten students dead, the cast missing two years of their lives, and going into a world where they might be hunted down or die from toxic air.
V3 isn't special.

well almost, except their entire lives aren't just made up

and? literally nobody fucking said it was, the fuck are you even arguing here
this retard said v3 had a happy ending

DR1 remake with consents when? Having to advance by proving people wrong has the side effect of having "smart" characters like Byakuya and Celeste look like absolute morons.

DR1 ends with that "hopeful outlook" and "let's have faith in the future that awaits us" just like V3 does.

>wow why are these teenagers with personalities centered on their extreme talents so irrational
how about
>Sayaka attempting to kill Leon because she wants to maintain her idol lifestyle and doesn't want to be forgotten after an emotional breakdown
>Leon killing Sayaka fearing for his life and wanting to escape
>Mondo killing Chihiro because of his inferiority complex stemmed from when he got his brother killed in a fit of rage
>Celeste tricking Hifumi into killing Taka and then killing Hifumi because she was the ultimate Gambler and took her chances on the shot to get out of there
>Sakura killing herself because of her loyalty to her friends and her resolve to bring them together
Wow so retarded, they killed eachother for NO REASON AT ALL!!!!

and? it's not a happy ending, it's making the most out of the shit you're in

1 and V3’s endings are very similar and both are pretty good.

>Byakuya "I moved the body for the lolz" Togami
>Aoi "I know what happened but I wanted us all dead" Asahina
>Celestia "I'm a master liar but I'll do all these retarded things" Ludenberg

All the cases are fucking retarded and could have been avoided if people weren't fucking idiots

Which blackened deserved to win the most?

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Byakuya wanted to see if he could commit a murder and get away with it, but he didn't want to go through with it so early on.
Aoi thought that everyone made Sakura kill themselves and was acting irrationally because she was extremely emotional.
Celes had never been pressed so hard and caught up in her lies the way she was. Not to mention she didn't expect Hifumi to out her by saying who killed him.
People say people who don't understand V3 are brainlets, but the characters in DR1 acting like actual 15-16 year olds is for some reason so out of the realm of possibility for some people, I guess.

>Byakuya
The fact that you don't even see how insanely confident in himself or the fact you don't acknowledge that he already knew who the murderer was is funny.
>Aoi
She didn't want everyone dead, she was blaming everyone for Sakura's death because she was emotionally shaken because her best friend just died.
>Celeste
She had a plan and took a gamble, it's in her fucking talent the "Ultimate Gambler" you fucking faggot.

>She didn't want everyone dead
She literally wanted them to guess the killer wrong so they'd be all executed, dumbass. That's why she tried to cover the truth in the first place

Another well-made post that got glossed over. At this point I don't feel there's a point debating about the endings of Danganronpa because people who don't want to look at it in a deeper way just won't, and that goes for pretty much any analysis of fiction. Especially when the endings are positive, because people like to brush positive endings off as shallow for no reason even when there is a legitimate message behind it.

Not him, but I feel like Aoi's outlook was entirely believable in the context of the story, especially considering Monokuma gave her a fake suicide note that made her think Sakura killed herself because of all of them.

I like how you don't reply to both posts talking about Aoi because you're afraid of dealing with two people arguing with you.
:)

scrum debate was the best part of v3

It's a lot better than persona's messages

>everyone dies
>just be urself
>FUCK ADULTS

>escaping into the outside world to make something for themselves

I think the reason people shit on the DR1 survivors is because they never actually do this. Outside of joining Future Foundation, an already established organization, none of them do anything to actually improve the world for the better.

Sure, you could argue people like Byakuya tried, but he got blown the fuck out and made a joke at both his attempts to be a hero in AE and DR3 and is only treated well due to his family's legacy rather than anything he's actually done himself.

Makoto and Weedman also tried, but overall the fact they didn't really grow means they do little to affect the world. It's pretty bad with Makoto because while I understand he has a gungho personality, it would make sense that his initial killing game should have made him more careful or mindful of where other people are coming from in DR3.

Then there's Kyouko and Aoi who just don't change at all. The only difference really is that Kyouko's soft on Makoto and that's about it.

The only person to actually make something of themselves is Touko and it's a shame none of the other characters got that, especially since everyone else shows up in nearly every game.

People would say Gundham or Chiaki but I say Kaito
Nagito's plan was foiled when Hajime discovered the diary, it didn't take the traitor admitting it to get themselves outed
In 3-5 its impossible to determine if the poison or crusher got Kokichi first. I have no idea how we came to the definitive conclusion that it was the crusher therefore Kaito was the blackened

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I don't feel like you can pin that on DR1, though. They just didn't want to make the DR1 survivors overshadow the rest of the characters, and DR3 shits on EVERYONE, not just the first game's cast.

It's because the crusher had a safety mechanism that prevented it from killing living things.

That was disabled by an electromagnetic grenade Kokichi used