ITT: Games people pretend to like

Gta5 online melee only is better then any dark souls pvp.

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People pretend to like the best souls game?

Dark Souls had a lot of things wrong with it, but the gameplay made up for it. Dark Souls 2 had even more wrong with it with worse gameplay, of course people are going to hate it.

I got plenty of enjoyment out of DaS2 but you'd have to be insane to put it as the best Soulsborne. The problems are fucking everywhere.

I admit I didn't play DeS since I never had a ps3, but I was talking about dark souls 1 and 2.

What's good about Souls gameplay?
What makes 2's worse?

Saints Row

I don't even know what the fuck people think is wrong with the gameplay though. I liked it.

I seriously didn't see the problems. In fact I loved it. It confuses me so fucking much that everyone says they hate it because I'm being genuine. I guess I need to replay 1 and then play 2 immediately afterwards and see if it changes my mind.

>bonfire ascetics
>respec mechanics
>power stancing
>bear seek seek lest
>best build variety
>best replay value
>best use of covenants
It's the 2nd best after Blood/Demon's

The one's pretending to like DaS2 are not people, they're subhumans.

Only two types of people like/think DaS2 is the best Dark Souls game; people who played DaS2 first after hearing about the hype of DaS1, and PvPfags

This honestly

You misunderstood the thread.

>best build variety
>best replay value
Opinion invalidated.

suck my balls you fuckin retard the pvp in dark souls 2 was the shit

In this thread we list things that make Dark Souls 2 the best Souls game. I'll start:

>Non-linear 1st half of the game allows you to go straight to the areas that contain the items for your build

>Drinking Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to drink while someone is sticking close to you will result in death

>Stamina regen is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving a reason to make a low burden character

>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not OP damage reduction, giving a reason to make a high burden character

>Phantoms and Dark Spirits can't drink estus, spirits can only heal via spell usage. This makes fighting outnumbered without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks

>Can continue your playthrough after beating the last boss and can choose when to start NG+

>NG+ has new enemies/items/events and some remixed bosses

>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill

>Power stance allows for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocks an alternative moveset

>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in DS3

>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun

>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses and or gain items from NG+ without going through the game again

>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward

>Best build variety, effectively pull off any build you want

>Best online mode and covenants, best QoL in the series

>Most diverse environments, replayability, customization, weapons, armors, magic/miracles/hexes/pyros

>best use of covenants

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dark souls 3 is actually more fitting. it's nobodies favorite souls game, and anyone that says it is has only played 3

>In this thread we list things that make Dark Souls 2 the best Souls game. I'll start:
Mental illness. That's the only answer.

I liked it better than ds1

ds2 is pleb filter kino

>plays worse than the previous two titles
nice objective point

literally all of those are not only objectively, but also irrefutably true
are you really going to pretend dark souls 1's nonfunctional covenants and dark souls 3's generic autosummon covenants (that were also nonfunctional for 90% of players) were better than the full working and unique covenants in 2?

based

>Drinking Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to drink while someone is sticking close to you will result in death
lol you can take 2 or 3 swigs of estus right before getting backstabbed and it will heal you back to full before you get back up. There is so much wrong with this copy pasta, but I am too lazy to refute each one, plus there aren't enough characters to do so since the copy pasta is at 2000 words already anyway.

I actually play 1 first and didn't like it. I didn't get that far though, basically got to the blacksmith and said fuck it. Then played 2 later and couldn't stop playing it and loved it. Went back to 1 later and beat it, too. Honestly they are extremely similar so I don't know why people hate 2.

Ever since Sekiro released all of the DaS2 fans have been getting crushed on a daily basis.

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Cope.

Dark Souls 2 is the best.
>most diverse environments in the series
>longest in the series
>most amount of weapons in the series
>most amount of armor and customization in the series
>biggest build variaty in the series
>most amount of magic/miracles/hex/pyros
>best online mode in the series
>easiest to start a build in the series
>bst girls in the series
>best and most SOULful covenants
>3 weapon slots in each hand
>4 ring slots
>dual wielding and power stance
>respec
>offers rewards for fun challenges such as no death run
>NG+ has new enemies/items/events and some remixed bosses
>the only game in the series which doesn't force you to grind
>reddit hates it

QOL improvements
>you can skip logos at startup (without mods)
>R3 to jump
>you can choose how many of the same item you want to consume at the same time
>weapon durability bar below weapon icon
>inventory items displayed in grids instead of list
>climb ladders faster and being able to let go of ladders
>roll through doors to open them faster
>can turn a specific area to NG+ mode (Bonfire Ascetic)
>can continue your playthrough after beating the last boss and can choose when to start NG+

i played 2000 of DaS before it even came out on pc. and SotFS is still my favorite in the series by a mile

>literally all of those are not only objectively, but also irrefutably true
>Non-linear 1st half of the game
The level design is a step back from Dark Souls and Demons Souls. It basically emulated the "start in a central area and have 5 radiating paths" thing that DeS did, but the levels themselves were incredibly linear and poorly laid out. DeS had better linear radiating paths, and DaS started off with wonderful interconnectivity. The DaS level and progression design was worse than both of its predecessors. That list was written as a joke and is objectively wrong. You're actually retarded if you take any of it as fact.

I have a theory that people who hate 2 are autistic shitters and just wanted to grind enemies until they were high level, but they can't do that. That's literally it. Then they come up with bullshit excuses like the graphics were bad even though they weren't and dark souls 1 looks like shit too.

The environments are insanely boring, the story is extremely basic and unengaging, the dialogue is toddler-level, the combat is dull, repetitive and sucks ass, and it doesn't even look good. I can't believe how everyone sucks this game's dick so much. Bad gameplay with a bad story and a bad world.

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-Who Cares.
-this completely destroys any sense of importance in regards to leveling because you can just undo everything at the click of a button. That feeling of making sure souls were used accordingly, and thwt even one level is an important thing to njot waste, is now lost because you can just respec like a abortion mmo character.
-Who gives a shit, there are 2 hand specific weapons in Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne
-Cancer
-Lies, unless you think fucking Agility is actually good. In that case, you're just retarded
-Kind of. the NG+ Shift changes things nicely, but nothing is better than dynamic World Tendency in Demon's Souls.
-Bullshit

Kill yourself ds2nigger.

>i played 2000 of DaS before it even came out on pc.
>and PvPfags
Which part of his post was wrong?

Seething

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Based.

DaS1 looks better than 2 in most instances, Anor Londo in particular has more going for it than any area in 2

What do you think about Dark Souls 3?

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Linear game progression, but the levels themselves are actually pretty open and very nicely laid out, which is better. Try looking at actual level maps comparing DaS2 and DaS3 levels.

Dark Souls 2 only gives two optional paths at the start of Majula. The rest is all locked until later. It is far more linear than Demon's Souls. Level length has nothing to do with it.

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and with that I discard your opinion :^)

Is it time for the daily delusional ds2fag cope thread?

Cool, but can you actually try comparing maps between 2 and 3 and tell me why you think linear, poorly laid out levels are better just because you can do them in different orders? Variety is worthless if the base content is good, which is something DaS2retards don't seem to get.

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To that I'm going to have to say I enjoyed Heide's Tower of Flame much more than Anor Londo. The ocean and mountains looked fucking amazing to me, but you're probably just going to say they looked like shit even though I thought they looked amazing. Also the sky was cool where it kind of looked like space, and fighting the giant enemies and the castle in the background. It was kino as fuck. I like das 1 and 2 by the way so I'm not being a faggot just trying to hate on 1 game.

based

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based

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this post is so embarrassing.

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Ds2fag cope? Like fucking clockwork. Your shit game has terrible levels and they are all fucking short. You idiots still refuse to properly defend Drangleic's layout and the fact that the king who is supposed to live in the castle is too big to fit in it. How did he reach the Catacombs, ds2fag?

You're a fucking embarrassment to your parents.

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>using kino when the context doesn't even apply
dumbass

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My complaints
>soul memory
>enemy attacks that track you
>rolling is near useless unless you actually spent souls to level a stat
>soul memory
>wouldn't say the graphics were bad but they just seemed...off to me I can't really articulate it
>lore seem lackluster compared to first Dark Souls, item descriptions basically amounted to "This shits so old no one remembers the story behind it lol"
>soul memory

My likes
>combat was more varied
>more armor and weapons

>To that I'm going to have to say I enjoyed Heide's Tower of Flame much more than Anor Londo.
Prime bait.

you know there is also coop multiplayer as well yeah? if you're not doing both then you're not even getting half the content you paid for

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Holy shit.

You just need around 13000 souls for either the hole or shaded woods.

at least I have good taste.

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>soul memory
i can guarantee you don't actually know what it is and are just parroting Yea Forumseddit. unless you were trying to twink in the earliest areas, soul memory didn't affect you at all

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this is posted in nearly every dark souls thread and i've yet to see ANYBODY prove it wrong
retards only argue purely subjective issues they had with DaS2 instead of gameplay or mechanics

N-NANI!?

But Dark Souls 3 is the hallway!

Yes it does you dumb fuck if you can understand context.

Sorry, are you pretending that you're not a retarded PvPfag who thinks that's the main point of the games and where you should spend most of your time?

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Has to be the same fucking faggot. Probably got molested while playing Dark Souls 2 because he's underage and hates it now.

see
Please refute this explicitly within the context of the comparison to DeS and DaS, and without saying "B-But DaS3!"

So it's locked until later?

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Desperate and seething

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They're both good you dumb retard. You are definitely autistic. Please just admit that you are and I can move on. I will not believe you if you say otherwise.

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if you like a game and want to keep playing it what's wrong with that? why is pvp even a negative to you? the game has online functionality for a reason. are you saying you exclusively do offline runs of souls games and end the character immediately after beating it?

>>rolling is near useless unless you actually spent souls to level a stat
What? you mean in a game with stats, you have to level the stats for things you want to use? Some bullshit right there. Next time they are going to force you to level strength to use strength weapons.

has any other game had Yea Forums seething so hard even this many years post-release?

All I see in these webms are people sucking dick at the game.

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Ever notice how the Soulsborne community got cancerous and went to shit after DaS1 was ported to PC the first time? Ever notice how the infamous claims of "artificial difficulty" arose almost exactly around the same time?

All you did was use paint to edit out the other (You)s

Dark Souls 2 is trash. Even DaS3 is better in every way.

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I like both

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Ever notice how people pretend nobody was being whiny bitches before the PC port. How they like to pretend every thread wasn't filled with people crying that the game is too hard.

League of Legends

Yes after defeating your first boss and there's another path that opens for 2000 souls(for free if you kill her)

It's disingenuous because it says shit like "poise exists" or "stamina regeneration is tied to equip load". Every fucking game in the series does these things. Not only that but this autist got shat on so much he actually removed the lies like how apparently you can only roll twice before completely running out of stamina, or only being able to attack 4 times with a rapier before running out of Stamina.

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>paint
LOOK AT THIS DUDE

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I liked them all. I already played them and enjoyed doing so, so there's nothing you can say to convince me that it's trash since I already know I liked it. So fuck you.

Demon's Souls threads before DaS was a thing were peak comfy.

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"artificial difficulty" threads arose when DeS was popular on Yea Forums back during the no gaems era

no, fuck you!

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Paint.

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Anyone who defends needlesly high amounts of input delay on all actions and garbage input queuing is a retard. I don't want to say it, but it isn't legitimately difficult if this shit exists.

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Weird how none of these webms happened to me. I played on 360 so these are probably some faggot playing a pirated version.

Nu-Tombraider

Don't worry DS3 was designed for casuals like you who can't understand the idea of being committed to attacks or actions having weight to them.

PvPfags make the fundamental mistake of preferring quantity over quality, and that's such an egregious mistake that their opinions can literally never be taken seriously. To you, more ways to replay the game with different builds is more important than good level design, interesting bosses, and combat that actually works properly. To pretend that the games are designed around being replayed online 50 times instead of focusing on good level design that can be replayed 2 or 3 times is just fucking retarded, even for Yea Forums.

Cope.

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>that one kid who saved a folder full of Dark Souls 2 images and webms
Is it mental illness?

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I'm sure some othrer turbo autist with a vendetta against Dark Souls 1 could compile all of the shit looking areas and webms of glitches happening too.

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So now the deluded ds2fag is going to claim that bugs don't exist and it must be from a pirated copy. Nice.

What does this screenshot even prove?

>"Works on my machine!"

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doubt it

Bad hitboxes are merely a feature to encourage co-op play!

But DS3 has high amounts of input delay and it also has the worst input queuing syatem in the series. Not to mention that the enemies are Bloodborne tier fast in that game. Do you not think before you post?

Literally no argument

>I'm a chuckster!

Yes I'm being fucking riduculous because you ZOMG DS1 ONLY cocksuckers are fucking ridiculous.

I feel you user. Game is overrated by early millennials who played it when they were clueless kiddos and were enticed by the DBZ art

Didn't notice that I clicked off the 4chanX options while cropping

Not like this, lmao.

Easily could but I'm not a faggot. Are you seriously claiming ds1 has no glitches? I already know a ton of areas look like shit in 1 so don't even bother with that.

I don't think there exist an other person in the world as insane and autistic as the guy who spams every ds2 threads with his folder of webms.

you've just written an entire paragraph based solely on delusional projections because you're upset people like playing a game in different ways than you do

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Everytime I try to replay DS2 I reach I iron keep and I can't, I just can't..
If Frozen Outskirts and Shrine of Covershooting didn't exist that would probably be the worst dark souls area ever.

it's unironically japan's favorite game before their current era

>based solely on delusional projections
Which part of it was projection? Prove that you're not a mouth breathing retard who prefers quantity over quality and explain why you like DaS2 using terms that aren't "build variety and a bunch of paths from the start."

Yeah fuck him.

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I got like 2000 hours in it and besides very specific glitches you only get to see these weird "hitboxes" when you have low agility and get hit by a grab, I think it has something to do with your actual position when you roll, your position doesn't get updated until your roll is finished.

I liked it

I like the 2nd half of DaS2, especially the Undead Crypt. It feels like a lot more soul was put into the post Drangleic castle part.

I know but that doesn’t really invalidate my theory

>only one guy on this board hates DS2!
An entirely new level of delusion.

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Gonna replay it just for you, faggot.

>DS3 has high amounts of input delay
Not at all, your roll is almost instant.
>it also has the worst input queuing syatem in the series
Not in the slightest, in DS3 if you get hit you won't do your roll a second later like in other Souls games
>Do you not think before you post?
Do you even pay attention when you play a game that you can't tell the difference between DS1 and DS3's input?

Hello autistic spammer.
There is not liking a game. And there is spamming every thread with the same couple of images again and again.

Some user has an odd obsession with hating Dark Souls 2. It's no perfect game, but it's certainly not a bad one either. You're not likely to encounter any of these issues in your playthrough. The graphics had to be downgraded due to them not accounting for console limitations.

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That lava level in Dark Souls 2 is fucking cancer

I had 200,000 souls and died to environment, then on the way back I got killed by lava again and lost all of it.

Fuck I hate this game

>Who Cares
People who enjoy being able to re-fight bosses without having to start another NG+
>
>this completely destroys any sense of importance in regards to leveling because you can just undo everything at the click of a button.
Who gives a shit about that. Being able to change up your build to something completely different without wasting your time making another character is great.
>Who gives a shit, there are 2 hand specific weapons in Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne
You're actually retarded and are okay with less customization
>cancer
Shit taste becoming more apparent by the post
>Lies, unless you think fucking Agility is actually good. In that case, you're just retarded
What in the fuck does that have to do with build variety you dumb nigger. Even people who don't like DaS2 agree that it's build variety surpasses every other game. You haven't even fucking played this game you bandwagoning faggot
>bullshit
Literally no arguments to prove me wrong or any examples from other games. You're retarded, thanks for your time

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I'm very thankful for the webm posting because it highlights just how impossibly awful the game is for anyone that's looking in as a third party and wondering which group is retarded.

Aldia's Keep had the potential to be an awesome creepy dungeon with experiments gone wrong and failed research subjects. Instead it turned out to be a hallway.
Dragon Aerie, Dragon Shrine, Amana, Undead Crypt and the memories are all kino though.

Did you not actually play Dark Souls 3? Getting hit does jot cancel the current action queue. You clearly do not know how the game functions, so why are you trying to argue about it?

git gud

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Except that the exact same kind of shitty webms also exist for ds1 and 3. But we only have us the ds2 hating turboautist, so only those tend to get posted.

You're going to waste time playing a shit game because of me? Go ahead.

yeah it helped me realize people sucking ds1 cock when they're all basically the same game and autistically spamming about glitches no one else will ever see while playing and have probably been patched are retarded

It's a necessary reminder since people tend to get rose-tinted memories of DaS2 while forgetting that it's negatives vastly outweight its positives

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>It's a necessary reminder since people tend to get rose-tinted memories of DaS1 while forgetting that it's negatives vastly outweight its positives

>It's a necessary reminder since people tend to get rose-tinted memories of DeS while forgetting that it's negatives vastly outweight its positives

>Except that the exact same kind of shitty webms also exist for ds1 and 3
Really? Show me the dozens of webms where people roll away from attacks and get caught by them anyways, or get killed by magic shockwaves, or can't roll under a gate that's still literally open. I don't want one or two, I want comparable numbers to the instances of it happening in DaS2 to show that DaS and DaS3 are just as fundamentally broken.

Nah, I just beat DaS 1 one again and feel like playing DaS 2 again since it's better than Dark Souls 1.

Many normals are actually happy for some fucking reason

>it's negatives vastly outweight its positives
But they don't. How much of a cynical cunt are you?

I literally had more glitches and encountered bad hitboxes on my ds3 run

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BRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPP

based. godspeed user

Doesn't even look like this lol

I'm afraid i'm not a turbo autist. so i don't keep huge folders of webms around for stuff i don't like.

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>and encountered bad hitboxes on my ds3 run
Oh cool, could you actually post some webms to show us that you're not completely full of shit? The guy posting DaS2 webms has actual proof.

>I'm afraid I'm talking out of my ass
It's okay. We know.

>retarded ds2fag doesn't want to actually play Dark Souls, he wants to play a shitty mmo with shit like instant respecing while having no sense of responsibility for actions done
I can't say I'm surprised. Does anyone have the image about how all the enemies in this game look like they were taken from a shitty mmorpg?

DaS 2 had more meaningful covenants than either other entry

This is dark souls 1. Most of the game looks like shit like this.

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>monster hunter
>quick

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>someone will defend this

too bad soul memory ruins them all after a few successful sessions.

this is dark souls 2, a PS4 game.

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Ok let me just become autistic and dedicate my life to seeking out glitches and then making webms about them for a game I hate even though it's exactly the same as the game I like because I have nothing else in life.

This is hilarious because even though it looks like shit, it still looks better than Dark Souls 2.

>Okay, I literally and objectively have no proof but you should take me at my word
No thanks.

Dark Souls 2 was downgraded for the PS3/360 m8

>Oh cool, could you actually post some webms to show us that you're not completely full of shit?
i don't autistically record all my playthroughs, but look, first result on youtube:
youtube.com/watch?v=LdADqaS0ofY

not him but you're autistic enough to come shill ds2 e/v/ery day, so autism is not really your problem ;)

>The guy posting DaS2
>Acting like it isn't you

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Why do you keep saying that Dark Souls 2 is the exact same game as Dark Souls and Dark Souls 3? You know it is not true.

>downgraded for the PS3/360
more like downgraded for the PS2/Nintendo 64?

simply epic xD

Similar to DS1, DS2 enemies had a lot of influence from Berserk

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most of the ps and xbox game libraries

Dark Souls 2 wasn't a ps4 game. They ported it later. Thanks for proving you're retarded.

It wasn't a bad idea but I don't think it should have worked until after you started NG+. It's just a QoL upgrade. You could argue that if you want to reset your stats that you should have to create a new character, but I disagree. I played a lot of Dark Souls 2 PVP and I had a bunch of different characters for different builds. I didn't wanna have to get a soul vessel every time I wanted to play a different style.

Basically I don't think it's a bad idea but I think it should have had NG+ restrictions

nice photoshop faggot

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Delusion.

100% true

Soul Memory was fucking cancer, created new problems while not fixing the ones it was trying to fix.

>open video
>it's almost entirely clipping issues on models or wonky online that could be due to brazilians with 10000 ping playing
Were you just hoping no one would look at the video, or did you not actually look through it yourself?

Yes... it is...

Das3 had shitty hitboxes even in the trailer

>HURR DURR DARK SOULS IS SO HARD CORE

>2011 PS3 game still looking better than DS2, a 2014 game that came right before Bloodborne
it's just amazing, watching the ugly dumpsterfire that is DS2 and then seeing Fromsoft release a beautiful game like Bloodborne. B-team is definitely a reality.

was your screenshot supposed to be "good" looking? what ever happened to gameplay > graphics? does that not count when talking about dark souls?

That's not even the same area you dumb nigger. The one you quoted is the area before Seath.

thanks for posting your PC screenshot on max settings, truly adds to the conversation. amazing

*series

You're forgetting that the video was made slightly over a month after release so i'm certain most of the stuff shown got fixed afterwards

A bunch of the webms you posted could be wonky online due to brazilians with 10000 ping

How are PvE webms where the player isn't a phantom and is fighting monsters online issues due to ping?

>max settings
>DaS1
Thanks for unknowingly admitting to have never played the game, moron. There are no graphics settings on PC either.

You don't even know the game you're defending lol. I know it more than you and I think das 2 is better. have sex.

>Anyone who defends needlesly high amounts of input delay on all actions
But I love overcoming arthritis every time I press a button. All of the bugs and glitches are features git gud xd

Obviously your image example is bullshit and a complete misrepresentation of the games, but what you're trying to say is still correct. The game is artistically weak.
That's not the only reason to play a video game though. DS2 is artistically weak but it's mechanically strong, with broader RPG elements and more content than the rest of Fromsoft's titles. The people who like it don't like it for the featureless box rooms with low quality repeated textures that the work experience guy scraped together during 5 minutes for release crunch, they like it for how it plays.

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Not him but without DSFix, Dark Souls is forced 720p without added effects such as ambient occlusion. user's screenshot is using DSFix

>what is dsfix

also, you can change the resolution, motion blur, and something else that I forgot...probably aliasing.

COPE

Ah so when it isn't ds2. Things might have been patched.

I'm talking about the ones with other players you retarded freak

dsfix, retard

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Which of the dozen or so webms feature problems for a non-host player?

Most of the DaS2 wembs are from the latest version so no, hrdly anything got fixed

Based DS2 chads shitting on DS3 virgins ITT

Oh ok so this autistic faggot makes 40 webms on the latest patch. I believe you fucking insane retard.

>Reach hand inside the giant mouth of a monster to fire a Dark Orb
>How could this possibly go wrong?

see

>that webm
>omg evwy single awea has to be super duper detailed mommy

Can you prove to me that they are all on the latest patch?

see

Yes, link that one speed hack webm that faggot keeps posting. The only one that's a real problem is the third one, but thankfully they're not a common enemy.

You can always boot up the game and redo the scenarios shown in the .webms if you doubt their authenticity

I've played the game before and it didn't happen so I don't think I can actually.

it's not one guy. It's a bunch of people posting their experiences and people saved them. That's all. DaS2's bullshit is so prevalent that many people have had the same experiences.

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And I've replayed the game several times, then several times again when Scholar of the First Sin came out, and the only issue I ever had with the game was

Source?
So you think it's impossible that multiple people had many issues playing the game?

yeah dude there's 40 people who happened to save weird dark souls 2 webms posting here, its definitely not just one autistic seething madman

At least he put more effort into it than From put into the game.

As someone who loves DaS2 to death I literally experienced the same shit as those webms, and I played it up until the release of DaS3 for the guy sperging about >current patch

>statue shifted as well
please tell me that's because it was destroyed and fell apart and not because of how rushed the game was

You people need to have sex then because it's better than das 1. A few faggots spamming webms isn't going to change the fact that I loved playing the game. Also I don't believe you that it's more than one retard because I don't want to believe there could be more than one person that fucking gay.

looks fine to me, though not fond of the image resolution

This post is self-parody.

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>I literally experienced the same shit as those webms
Sure you did.

you sound 14. I think you're 14.

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Based ancient braper

People who dislike DaS2 play these games so they can just finish them once and brag that they beat a hard game
Actual Souls fans appreciate the depth of mechanics the game offers over flashy animations and pretty graphics

Most of these DS2 webms are the exact same 5-10 webms which have been reposted in these threads as a meme for the last 5 years. They're a collection of either super rare / non-existent glitches or people who don't understand hitboxes and are upset that an animation looks strange. They don't really serve as much of an argument if you're trying to upset people who enjoy DS2, because the people who enjoy DS2 have actually played DS2 and didn't get stabbed by a 5th dimensional rotating pursuer.

>B-B-BUT DARK SOULS 2 IS THE BEST BECAUSE IT HAS (random feature I like) AND (slightly quality of life improvement)!!!!!

Way to have absolutely no idea what actually makes these games good or interesting and instead try to boil them down into arbitrary lists of features that ultimately say nothing about the quality of the game

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Not impossible but it probably didn't happen and it's 1 retard making it his life's mission to find every glitch everyone ever experience and make a webm of it and then is trying to pretend/lie like if you plays das2 allllll this shit is going to happen to you every time which probably none of it will.

I save a few and post them from time to time because you DS2 fags are so easy to trigger.

If you read the post you'll see my whole point is that you can enjoy a game even if it looks like most of the game was scraped together a week before launch out of prefab assets by the janitor.

Real easy to just deny other people's experiences. So easy that I bet that you also experienced the same shit and just refuse to admit it.

Seriously though, how did you not? Glitchy hitboxes and animations due to weird I-frames during rolling were like, a staple during my runs

So what does make these games good and interesting that ds2 doesn't have?

>Actual Souls fans appreciate the depth of mechanics the game offers over flashy animations and pretty graphics
correct, which is why I prefer DaS1 over the sequels, as the interconnected world design lends itself well to replayability

Didn't experience any hitbox issues because I knew to invest ADP, as shitty as a system as it is.

You sound like you scream and smear shit on the walls when you see Dark Souls 2 for literally no logical reason besides being a pathetic turbo autist permavirgin faggot.

>You have absolutely no idea that what makes these games good or interesting is (random feature that ***I*** like)!

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>Source?
m.youtube.com/watch?v=idpSVuLh65Y

3:20 the very first attack of the dancer

>the interconnected world design
Really funny how you're grasping so hard at that shit. It's as interconnected as das2 is and you even start teleporting everywhere in das 1 too. There are even areas you can ONLY get to by teleporting in 1. The inter-connectivity is minimal as fuck and nothing worth jacking off over or anything more than das 2 had.

souls is a serious that can get away with a dark box room like that i think. fits the aesthetic.

>playing PvP on any Dark Souls except 2
You don't actually do this, do you user?
And don't tell me you're too much of a bitch for PvP.

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I love you, user.

Preach, sister, preach.

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good level design
good character/enemy/armor designs
good lore
good soundtrack
consistent skyboxes, or at the very least an attempt to do so
no deadzones while moving
responsive controls that don't make the player feel like they're swinging a cardboard tube with foam attached to the sides of it

you know, the usual

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Contrarian Souls 2 would have been a better game if it wasn't a souls game, and they went all in on turning their action "rpg" game into an rpg game with a bit of action. An action RPG game that's more RPG than action doesn't work, this is the reason you have clown shit like your hitbox staying where you fucking rolled away from a second ago, resulting in you getting hit regardless of what where the player or enemy models are. Visually it's not even good by indie game standards, let alone a real studio, not even the subhuman DaS 2 cultists would be shaemless enough to deny that. The game is disgusting visually, easily the worst, laziest, most rushed job I've seen in a full release in years.

DaS2 has best 1vs1 but when there are more players DaS3 is better

have sex

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lol there's literally no reason for all this hate against das2 though. you're probably triggering people because it's so fucking illogical since das 1 and 2 are the same shit. really, calling people "das2fags" when the games are the same exact level of quality. you're a faggot.

omg like, like like, i hate das2 for like, no reason other than being like, gay.

DS3 PvP is good for all of the same reasons that DS2 PvP was good and it has better matchmaking rules with currently a lot more players. If you haven't moved over yet you should definitely give it a try. This isn't a playground GameWars shitpost.

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seething cope

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>having the balls to use miracles in DS2
based

DaS2 isn't going to have sex with you, you fucking white knight.

What happened to
>boil them down into arbitrary lists of features that ultimately say nothing about the quality of the game
Because that is what you are doing right now. You "argument" is that you have the right opinions, the best opinions.

That's not true. It fucked me out of $60 real hard.

>It's a bunch of people posting their experiences
Do you have any idea how many times I've seen those exact webms?

That was before SotFS, before the nerfs.

This is what happens when you release your game on PC

heh

das2 has all of that as well but you're too busy not having sex to realize.

Immersion, novel ideas, and tone. Second to that are things like level and enemy design.

Souls games don't have complex mechanics, not unless you look into little unintended exploits like tumble buffing. Their best attribute is that you can walk into an area and actually understand what it is and why it's built that way, and that enemies and bosses you fight will follow the same trend. There's no mechanical purpose for many of the rooms in Anor Londo, and they don't hold very valuable loot. They're there because the people who lived there needed bedrooms. It allows you to put yourself in the shoes of your character and approach situations in grounded ways.

2 has the absolute least amount of this quality. Areas are like slapped together theme park rides where you go "oh, this is the poison level, followed by the lava level." Iron Keep doesn't have bedrooms, it has ludicrous fucking shit that would make it actively difficult to live in. It doesn't even try to feel like a real place, so you run through it without caring for a second what the history of it is or why it's there.

Btw the defense everyone makes of "but 2 has the best PvP' is stupid trash spouted by people who flunked out of fighting games and instead retreat into a mechanically simple rolling backstab game where the player with the better connection wins

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heh I love laughing at my own jokes

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You cannot dislike 2 if you like the other ones unless you just want to be an unlikable bitch on purpose.

>It's as interconnected as das2 is
I can't think of a single area in 2 that loops back in on itself by seamlessly connecting to a different area whereas in 1 nearly all of the locations in the first half have at least one other location that connects in on another
>Firelink to Undead Burg and Parish
>Burg to Parish and the Depths
>Depths to Blighttown, which leads to the Valley of Drakes and New Londo
>Valley of Drakes leads to Darkroot, which connects with the Parish and Undead Burg again

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post em

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>ITT: People who rack up 1000hrs playtime per Fromsoft title argue with people who rack up 50hrs playtime per Fromsoft title about what the most important part of the game is.

consistent skyboxes and no deadzones are objective, though good lore and armor designs might as well be too

>DS3 PvP is good for all of the same reasons that DS2 PvP was good
Nah, Das3 pvp is about using your weapons gimmick while Das2 is about punishing your enemies mistakes like rolling or attacking to early

>people who think that quantity > quality
Are people that stupid even real?

>sprinkles on a turd is enough to elevate it from bottom tier to top tier
(you)

Search "artificial difficulty" on any of the Yea Forums archives and you can actually watch the phase come into common use on Yea Forums within days of PtDE's release. Its fucking hilarious.

this

I don't give a cunt fuck if it doesn't have areas that are people's houses to make it less of a game.

Probably should play the game

>It's a DaS2fags having a mental breakdown because people don't like the game thread

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I've been replaying 2 recently and I forgot how easy the game is if you play around it rather than play it.

It's like they weren't even trying, honestly I would have refunded day 1 if steam refunds had been a thing at the time.
I got sotfs for free from a ds2 shill and the lack of simple improvements and alterations was staggering.

What the fuck were they thinking?

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A game with so little depth that you've exhausted it in 50hrs can hardly be called quality. Unless the only purpose of the game was to be a semi-interactive cinematic movie. Thankfully this doesn't apply to any of the Souls games, but there are still certain "people" who buy these games and play them purely to see the end credits once and get a participation trophy achievement on their Playstation profile.

Absolutely nailed it

Imagine if you'd spent that time playing an actual fighting game. You could've made money off some local tournaments by now, maybe made some friends there. But instead you put it all into R1 spam games with hackers and dark magic.

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>people post outdated cherrypicked webms
>people who actually play the game call them out on it
>>lol seething shill

Majula, No man's wharf and Brightstone Cove Tseldora look more habitable than anything in ds1

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nothing in this board is more beautiful then seeing ds2 cuck mental gymnastics and going batshit when people tell them their game sucks

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NO user FUCK YOU IT'S THE BEST ONE

I DON'T CARE ABOUT BLOODBORNE 15 FPS 15 FPS DARK SOULS 3 IS A STEP DOWN YOU CAN'T POWERSTANCE AND THE ENEMIES ARE TOO FAST, IF I WANTED FAST I WOULD PLAY SONIC THE HEDGEHOG

I've been replaying it, the majority of areas in 2 are straight lines to a primal bonfire. Comparing them to the connected world of 1 is a blatant lie

pic related, me and my bitch

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You can enjoy all those games user.

>Das2 is about punishing your enemies mistakes like rolling or attacking to early
Like I said. They're good for the same reasons.

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Repetitive textures aside, this is what it looks like when you turn the brightness all the way up. The darkness hid most of it; not like you would have knew that.

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Except it's not even dark inside Earthen Peak

Dark Souls 1 is the best Souls game til Anor Londo. After Anor Londo it is the worst one.

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? Yes it is

>DS3 PvP is good for all of the same reasons that DS2 PvP was good
Absolutely not

>Now ITT: People who play video games long enough to get good at them argue with people who buy a new game every week and complete it for the story about what the BEST way to play video games is

I feel like they're just afraid of letting people get stuck in lategame areas without being able to just warp out.

3 also had this, uh, issue if you want to call it that. I feel like having the first third of the game warp free with more connections between areas would have helped out a bit.

>the run-down coastal town with a giant hole in it, the underground coastal town set in a giant cave, and the the run-down town covered with sand and spiders is more habitable than the Burg or Anor Londo
christ

Liked it better than ds1

did they literally run out of money or someshit? holy shit what an actual raw dumpsterfire. How much of a dumpsterfire a game is when the studio doesn't even render textures properly and leaves them like this?

>A game with so little depth that you've exhausted it in 50hrs can hardly be called quality.
It's actually funny because DaS2 is the only souls game I played for under 50 hours, because 40 hours was all I could take of its awful level design and combat.

It's also hilarious that you're trying to pretend that playing a game through twice isn't enough to understand its mechanics and design. You're really stupid.

What's the deal with 2's combat where things slide back across the ground after being hit with an attack?

Who thought this was a good idea?

>build variety
>best pvp
>dark souls 2

nah bruh

False, Bloodborne is the best souls game. DaS first half is second best, and second half is still better than the abortion that is 2. All 3 Bamco souls games are rushed and suffered greatly due to their shitty publisher. All 3 none Bamco souls are insanely consistent in comparison, and feel like actual finished games.

you guys can really argue about dark souls 2 till the end of times huh

>False, Bloodborne is the best souls game

Bloodborne is shit. No shields, no feels.

only Izalith is bad, and even then, it's just the lava area before you get to the ruins themselves, and that can be skipped via a covenant

Makes you think about your use of different attacks because you can't just R1 chain everything to death with every weapon. When using things like Blacksteel Katana you can judge when enemies are going to be out of range for your R1 and go for an R2 which will get an animation speed up when cancelled out of R1 and travel further forwards, keeping you in range.

>that especially egregious last hit

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No its unnecessary and only wastes time, battles are to drawn out, higher stats also always win you the match because of trading and super armor.
Your webm is shit because the guy would only need to roll twice or just react a bit to your attacks to evade.

The DLC areas seem to have been given the most attention graphically, almost as if they knew they fucked up or something.
I don't think money was actually a factor, I think it was more of an effort deficiency.

Don't get me wrong, there are some soulful things in the game (pic related, the archdrake set, heide's tower etc.) but even then the aesthetics of these things fall short because of the weird graphics.

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So the solution is to have things slide about like they're on ice?

Look at Bloodborne, look at the original Dark Souls. Everything looks and feels more responsive to contact.

Yes it does actually make sense that they are run-down, probably centuries have passed since they were properly used. Unlike Anor Londo which doesn't really make sense to be in that good state.

Here you go, guys. Butthurt cream for the butthurt containment thread.

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>the ancient city of the gods, still under watch by the last born son of the god of sunlight, monitored and inhabited by his silver knights, giant guards and demon royalty, still looks to be in a relatively good state

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dimensional distortion. The starting cave with the firekeeper grannies, has an endless ceiling with huge arch trees and ends in majula.

Who sweeped the floors?
Who cleaned the windows?

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God you're just falling over yourself trying to hang on to your opinion. I'm not your enemy laddy, I'm not trying to tell you that DS2 PvP isn't good. You're inventing complaints on the fly because you haven't tried it and I'm telling you to go try it, properly.
The fight in the webm is drawn out because I'm intentionally sticking to a low level where damage is minor, I'm doing that because I enjoy extended fights which let you feel the other player out more. There is zero trading or super armour in the clip and DS3's hyperarmour is mechanically much closer to DS2's than the other games. If you want to kill things faster you just play at a higher level like this.

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some silver knight jobber

I like both games but the only delusional people are the ones pretending das1 is drastically higher quality than 2. They're definitely on the same level if you look at the entirety of both games. DaS 2 also has lore if you would actually talk about it instead of cherry picking webms or taking screenshots of out of bounds areas that aren't convincing anyone who actually played.

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DS2's animations may not look great but the combat mechanics are consistent and make sense. If you spend more than a couple of hours on it you'll stop being upset about the aesthetics and have a natural feel for how things are going to move when you hit them. Then you can appreciate how DS2's mechanics make fuller use of weapon movesets.

>taking screenshots of out of bounds areas that aren't convincing anyone who actually played.
they aren't out of bounds at all....

>They're definitely on the same level if you look at the entirety of both games.
Not even close. The shitty part of DaS is still better than the entirety of DaS2.

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none of DS1's low points are as bad as DS2's low points
none of DS2's high points are as good as DS1's high points

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Thank you for sharing your biased opinion.

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I thought we were talking about DaS2.

I didn't actually care about the graphics much even though the downgrade was truly egregious.
Mechanically it doesn't even feel good, it feels like something from two or three generations ago, just play some Ocarina of Time and see how much better Link controls than the bearer of the curse.

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>I'm allowed to say my opinion but you aren't reee
anyway 1 > 3 > 2

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here's a fact your tranny ds2 lying ass left out: DaS is the older game.

IT'S A SHOCKWAVE

BB>DeS>DaS1>DaS3>DaS2

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switch 3 and 1 and we're good to go

BB >= DaS1 >= DeS > DaS3 > SOTFS > DaS2

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BB=DeS>DaS3>DaS>>>>>SOTFS>>>>>>DaS2

honestly I agree with anyone's tier list as long as DaS2 is last.

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user ppl do like ds2. they shit on it mostly because it's different than ds1 and has some dumb flaws and design choices. but compared to other non souls games it's fucking masterpiece.

DaS 2 is the best one.

>higher level
Dude you just won a trade and after your combo you immediately did a jump attack to catch a panic roll.
This is probably high level for you because you have to get past all the gimmicks until you actually make a play.

I hated DS2, but now I think it's decent. When I played it for the first time I dropped after killing he Last Giant and absolutely despised it. I was expecting more DS1 and what I got was a terrible experience. I tried to play it 3 more times because I REALLY wanted to like it and get more DS in my life, but I kept dropping it right around the point where you reach the Lost Bastille. After a reading fuck ton of DS2 apologist threads on the past I decided to play it again, but I changed my approach to the game. I thought that I should stop playing DS2 as if it was DS1, and I think that was the problem. I just finished killing the dude at Black Glutch and I'm having a great time. Of course the game has it's baggage of shit that doesn't make any sense, but I learned to play around it.

Still: the level design and gank squads are gay, the pharros lockstones are gay, the whole humanity thing (even with the ring) is gay, adp is gay, estus is gay, slide tracking is gay, treasure chests are gay, most bosses I've fought were extremely boring and gay, soul memory is gay AND the light and torch systems are useless and gay.

TL;DR The game is fine, it just needs to be approached differently than any other Souls game (I didn't play BB so I don't count it).

And why should I include this irrelevant fact? Besides that, I think everyone knows DaS 2 was made after DaS 1, especially considering it's called Dark Souls FUCKING TWO. You really are stupid.

I have played every souls game (and nioh and sekiro) and I would at least rank it above DS III

You're gay

no

Obvious ones

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Replaying DS2 as we speak, the one I have the fondest memories of

I like the fact that you can do maybe 5 rolls with 30 END, it's closer to an RPG than an action game, you can't spamm your way through the game

When game released, it was also great to ahve proper multiplayer and invasions / duels right off the bat

Also NG+ has new boss souls, new ennemies and black phantoms so it's pretty neat.

I still like it alot

Idk how ppl like this game the combat is so fucking shit no story can cover for it

Yeah it's the best one

>the combat is so fucking shit no story can cover for it
It is, that's why we have mods. To polish a turd so hard It becomes silver.

nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/3522

This made the game for me honestly

I liked the atmosphere of DS2 with the waves rolling by and the desolate tone of the voices

>Summoning multiple allies for the scorpion chick fight not because you need help but so they can watch you bait her tail slam then run up on top of her body and attack her human half directly.
Best souls game

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High SOUL LEVEL you fucking sperg, how long a fight takes depends on what SL and weapon upgrade level you play at. Complaining that damage is low in the first clip is meaningless, if you want more damage you just play at a meta where damage is higher.

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>r1 into black flame

Neat

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People say this and only Izalith stands out as being considerably bad

Archives are neat on the inside but outside and crystal caves are ugly and tossing 10 clams at you before seath is pretty gay.

New londo and tombs are okay though

majula...home
youtube.com/watch?v=D8ShsHeYkeI

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based
magic faggots btfo

A YouTuber disliked it

No they pretend to like Dark Souls 2.

nothing wrong with ds2
>muh hitboxes
it's a From game
>muh graphics
actually play the game

2 and 1 aren't the same games at all. You have to have skipped at least one of them to have such a bad opinion.

>You only call X game shit because this youtub-
Only absolute fucking retards say this, but like the idiot who pretend that KH3 had good combat.

ds2 is one of the ugliest games I've ever played

>>most diverse environments in the series
Too bad the art direction is amateurish compared to any other game in the series.
>>longest in the series
Because it's brimming with filler bosses.
>>reddit hates it
Reddit loves the game actually. There's plenty posts there trying to defend all its shortcomings.

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