What was better

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>Gameplay
Automata

>Characters
Gestalt

>Story
Gestalt

>Graphic
Automata

Cute girls
>2B

>Soundtrack
Gestalt

>Difficulty
Gestalt

>Boss Fight
Gestalt

>Ending
Gestalt

I think people forget just how few interesting side characters and NPCs that Replicant actually had, and how repetitive their stories told through their side quests were. I know there are a lot of people who are angry that Automata got popular and want to pretend that it was a step backwards because 2B posting makes them upset, but you're not special for having playing the original game first, and I'm willing to bet none of you even played the real version of the game and instead played the shitty localized version.

>>Difficulty
>Gestalt
How can you even write something like this with a straight face? You literally rolled and pressed triangle with the spear to both move and do damage to everything. Automata's combat was a bit watered down compared to something like MGR or DMC, but Replicant's combat was braindead by comparison.

I played automata first and still prefer it. I think this board has a serious case of nostalgia goggles

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this. same with any series. boomers on Yea Forums literally cannot stand anons praising something that doesnt give them warm nostalgic fuzzies
t. a boomer myself by Yea Forums's standards

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I liked the weirdos from Facade a lot. They were equal parts funny and tragic.

Automata was far better overall, but if you break it down in more detail there parts where Gestalt is equal (music) or even better (main cast, simply because 2B/9S/A2 feel like they didn't really get enough characterization during the game itself). The original Nier was a mediocre (or even bad by some accounts) game with some shining highlights and absolutely amazing peaks which make the whole thing worth playing, Automata on the other hand is a very good game with certain elements, design decisions and technical issues marring it and keeping it from being an absolutely excellent title with no major flaws.

Back in the day before Automata came out, rather before we even knew it existed at all, most everyone on Yea Forums would have agreed that Nier wasn't a good game but was still worth playing despite it. Now the game is getting its dick sucked non-stop and all its major flaws and shortcomings are being ignored. If somebody were to go into OG Nier with these sorts of expectations nothing but disappointment would result.

Soon enough we'll get faggots telling us how utterly amazing and breathtaking the fucking farming minigame was.

>B/9S/A2 feel like they didn't really get enough characterization during the game itself
What are you talking about? They all get a ton of characterization told through multiple viewpoints throughout the story. The only character who gets that much characterization in Nier is Nier himself.

>most everyone on Yea Forums would have agreed that Nier wasn't a good game but was still worth playing despite it.
That isn't even remotely true. You very clearly weren't here during the PS3/360 generation when it was regarded as one of the absolute must play rpgs from the generation.

>most everyone on Yea Forums would have agreed that Nier wasn't a good game
Nice to know that you wasn't here at the time.

Gestalt

I want to marry and impregnate 2B

>The only character who gets that much characterization in Nier is Nier himself.
What the fuck I am reading?
Oh of course, it's another automatard.

Isn't that uncomfortable riding up your ass all the time?

Gestalt for everything but gameplay

She's a robot

Uhhhh what? 2b is boring as shit. 9s too. And no 9s losing his mind doesnt make him better. A2, Jackass and a few other side characters were far better

Nice to know you weren't either, it was universally agreed to be a jank but worthwhile game that had a lot to like (and hate) about it. For whatever reason as soon as Automata hit the relative mainstream people started treating it as some unequivocal masterpiece. I'm willing to bet at least half of the people who relentlessly circlejerk it to have not actually played it, because bringing shit up from the game that you would not know, such as specific story elements and story progression, will get you zero replies no matter what. It's fine to like Gestalt better than Automata, but it does get annoying for people to bandwagon it so hard when they don't know jack.

A2 hardly gets anything, be real. All of them get way more characterization and development in extra material which isn't in the game itself. 9S is really the only one who isn't lacking in the game alone.

>You very clearly weren't here during the PS3/360 generation when it was regarded as one of the absolute must play rpgs from the generation.
Yes I fucking was. Whenever somebody asked what was so amazing about the game they were told it was pretty bad/janky but had a great story and other parts which made it absolutely worth playing. Whenever a faggot complained about playing Nier and being disappointed that it wasn't an absolute masterpiece they'd be told to fuck off because nobody said it would be in the first place. When the game was recommended it often came with a mention that fishing and farming were so shit that they're safe to ignore.

Nobody ever sucked the game's dick as much as it's being sucked now, largely because the fanbase back then were people who were fans of DoD as well and those games certainly weren't amazing overall either, so people had a pretty grounded view of Taro games and didn't overrate everything for the good parts the games did have. Now that Automata is popular Gestalt is suddenly near perfect, while discussion of DoD in these threads has essentially disappeared entirely.

since 2b doesnt have reproductive organs. would it be socially acceptable among the androids to "contruct" a child with an android you marry?

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You're exactly the kind of retard I mentioned earlier in the thread. I've played through both of the games, read through the official guidebooks and stories, and watched the stage plays. You're a fucking retard who played through Gestalt once and wants to pretend they're an oldfag fan because you're upset that Automata got popular. Remember, if you didn't play through Replicant then your opinion on the series is worthless.

>9S is really the only one who isn't lacking in the game alone.
And 2B, who you play as for most of the game. That's 2 and a half characters that are fleshed out compared to Replicant's 1 and a half if you count Shiro.

>Yes I fucking was
No you weren't. There's no point in pretending as at least 2 people in this thread were actually here back then.

Its called procreation while holding hands

>"contruct" a child with an android you marry?

It has no genitals, whats the point

Weebs are the worst kind of people and dont deserve to live

>come to Yea Forums
>complain about weebs in broken English
Do people really still do that?

Saying that Kaine and Emil have less characterization than 2B, 9S and A2 is fucking wrong and you fucking know it, you could literally write those characters on a post-it with a single line.

>Gestalt
puke

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>has no genitals
its implied multiple times in game that androids fuck. taro made 2b attractive because he "just really likes girls" why wouldnt he intend for an android to have a pussy at least?

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That and her series can simulate pregnancy. Thats basically just saying "yeah you can impregnate your robot wife but we can't definitively say so"

>Difficulty
>Gestalt
Uhh, what? The moment you get the Phoenix Spear everything becomes a cake walk, even on hard.

>self destruct as 2b and get her well modeled ass in full view
>self destruct as 9s and his gay little shorts just get shorter and gayer
route B was a mistake

>you could literally write those characters on a post-it with a single line.
Angry tranny and sad fag. See? I can oversimplify things like an idiot, too.

Because at the end of the game it's a video game and you will never have confirmation either way so who gives a shit if it has a vagina canonically you will find porn of if anyways

you can see his bulging peepee though

don't have the pic

People letting "canon" get in the way of their own fantasies are brainlets.

I want to marry and impregnate 2B. I don't let what we're given dictate my enjoyment of VG_Erotica's pregnant 2B stuff.

Gestalt was just too badly put together and had way too many low points than high points. While Automata feels way smoother to play and experience. Also liked the general aesthetic and story of Automata more

>People letting "canon" get in the way of their own fantasies are brainlets.
There's literally no reason to think 2B has genitals. Nothing in the game says or even implies it through the android design philosophy and behavior, and none of Taro's comments would lead one to think that.

Gestalt has better
>Music
>Story
>Characters

Automata had better
>combat

gestalt's setting was also better

Gestalt has better individual characters, but Automata feels better to play as an actual game.

I really liked Automata, but I couldn't get into Gestalt. Some cool moments and a nice tone, but the combat was fucking tedious as hell

Automata did not have a scene that came even close to being as good as nobody stops

Gestalt has better nothing. Replicant has main characters on par with Automata's, but Automata's side quests and characters blow it out of the water. Story itself is pretty equal, but Automata has better story telling in how it does a lot of clever things with gameplay tying into how you experience the story. Music is also pretty equal. Automata blows Replicant out of the water for all things gameplay and level design related. Areas in Automata had more variety and verticality, and the androids controlled much better so exploring those environments felt much better.

G-Strings and thongs aren't that uncomfortable if you're used to them

>yo let's talk, why the fuck are you killing us after helping us the entire game
>it's just our job lol, prepare to die nothing personnel, but before that let's infodump the plot on you
>take down a twin in self defence
>REEEE WHY DID YOU KILL MY SISTER NO ONE STOOPPPPPSSS

It was fucking dumb but held up by an amazing VA performance

see pic related in

>Gestalt
>better music
lol no
Gestalt's soundtrack is pretty good, but Automata's is far better, and better used to boot.

Speaking from experience, eh?

Well I'm retarded. I meant to say no reason to think she doesn't have them.

Yeah pretty much good acting just made it so much better than Automata

Gestalt's combat consists of dealing with how tedious it is until you can buy the Phoenix Spear and then completely trivialize it.

Maybe

nier had amazing characters, automata didn't but it had perfected the story style from nier. i loved both, i can't choose

it wasn't dumb, it was the moment popola acknowledges herself (and, in a way, replicants) as something of worth, as beings, maybe equal to human beings. she goes from "lol no one is human we're meant to serve" to the most humanlike behavior possible. i'd say content-wise it's an equivalent of 9s tower climb from automata
>Do you think i have the luxury to stop?

Faggot

Rude

>automata didn't
It most certainly did.

Did she deserve it?

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She's wearing a leotard though.

the word seems implied to be "fuck", but it doesn't have to be a four letter word at all (after investigations into other translations)- it's actually any verb you can think of immediately, because it's your most repressed desire. seeing it censored brings the thought out in you, but because it's **** most english people thought "fuck" so it's kind of lost.
very autistic but I hope you liked this fun fact

>Automata's side quests and characters blow it out of the water
Automafags are the evafags of Yea Forums

What was your favorite sidequest story in Replicant? Mine was the one where someone asks you to track down their loved one, and then you find out that their loved already died and was actually trying to run away from the person that sent you out on the quest.

Most of Gestalt's sidequests, ESPECIALLY ones involving material farming, are pure cancer.

it's going to sound retarded but i love automata and it's in my general top 10
i felt a genuine depression after completing because it's really just a romantic tragedy and it hit me hard, but once i understood the good ending was very much canon i was not so sad anymore

how do I play gestalt on PC? i kind of want more context to what happened in automata

What are you talking about? It doesn't have to be fuck, but everyone who read the Japanese text knew that it was supposed to be sexual in nature.
ch.nicovideo.jp/koto_yurano/blomaga/ar1207504
www65.atwiki.jp/automata_ex/pages/23.html
The actual verb being "fuck" or not doesn't really matter.

Same concept in the crotch area, though

ok stop bullying me I just read some wiki page about it and I trust them

>always see anons posting how Gestalt's combat consists of destroying mobs in seconds with the spear equipped
>mfw I UNGA'd the whole game with one of the longswords like a retard

Well, at least the spells were pretty cool.

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>very autistic
nigga get on my level. at the start of the game you can choose to say 9S's voice is "soothing" and when you play through that part as him, he mentions how his "pulse" speeds up after the compliment. also 2B's operator mentions how she asked out another android and got rejected so its hard to argue that androids dont feel sexual attraction or form relationships around that attraction

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The spinning blades of death spell is the only spell worth using. To be fair, it's the same way in Automata.

I don't remember if the little shadow who was playing with childrens in the village was related to a quest, but this shit was kind of horrible.

>I don't know any Japanese or what I'm talking about, but I read through a bunch of second hand info and took it at face value so I'm an expert on the dialog from this game/show/manga
Every time.

Faggot.

That was probably the best one, with the lighthouse old lady being decent and being second place. Still, neither of them hold a candle to stuff like the vagrant couple from Automata, or the sidequest where you can set up a grave for 2B in front of Kaine's house.

I got it the first time, user

Oh. It wasn't me the first time I didn't see it already got pointed out. Sorry.

It's fine lmao

Overall? Automata.
Gestalt had better characters, story, and more memorable bosses however.

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All the people who resume Nier battle system to the spear are probably some dumb retards who saw a playthroughor to rush the game. Spells are fucking fun to use (Cavia was always good with their magic systems).

This guy mirrors my exact opinion.
I also liked that in Gestalt you never feel so overpowered that everything is instantly dead.
You can always equip weaker weapons to drag out boss battles and such if you wanna fuck around.

In Automata, you level up and get overpowered and that's it. Once you reach level 99 there's not a single enemy that can challenge you anymore, everything dies in a single hit.

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>9S isn't shirtless when he self-destructs.
Wasted potential.

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even most anons ITT saying gestalt/replicant were better have conceded that automata had better sidequests

>In Automata, you level up and get overpowered and that's it. Once you reach level 99 there's not a single enemy that can challenge you anymore, everything dies in a single hit.
What the fuck are you talking about? Everything should kill you in one or two hits in Automata, and the only way to get up to 99 is to grind the gold rabbit.

Am I the only one who didn't like Automata that much?

I loved the world and character design and the music, but the gameplay got really repetitive in the second route. What already was a lackluster combat system got an attack replaced with a boring hacking minigame you have to use if you dont want hack aways at enemies for 30 seconds. Not to mention that you have to replay what is basically the same first few hours. of the game

This game would be better as an anime or a visual novel.

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>Everything should kill you in one or two hits in Automata,
Did we play the same game?
>and the only way to get up to 99 is to grind the gold rabbit.
Or by replaying the game normally with chapter select, which doesn't take into account your level or give you any difficulty options for 80+ people who finished the story.

I like the combat but you can't fuck around with it much once you're really high level because everything dies in 1-2 hits.

>boring hacking minigame you have to use if you dont want hack aways at enemies for 30 seconds.
Didn't have to use it. The combat was good enough that you can kill everything except the golden enemies with your regular attacks/pod programs.
>Not to mention that you have to replay what is basically the same first few hours. of the game
Not a problem if you liked the game and enjoyed it the first play through that segment.

It seems to me that it's just not your type of game.
>This game would be better as an anime or a visual novel.
This opinion makes me angry.

>Did we play the same game?
Holy shit, you played the game on normal mode, didn't you?

thats a big peepee

>you can kill everything except the golden enemies with your regular attacks/pod programs.
My 9S playthrough was short because I did every single sidequest and killed the gold robots as 2B. How much of a faggot do you have to be to hack the gold robots instead of trying to fight them as 2B?

I killed one as 2B but it took a horrendously long time and I just really wanted to move on with the story, so I hacked the other ones with 9S. I didn't realize they didn't respawn...

>Didn't have to use it. The combat was good enough that you can kill everything except the golden enemies with your regular attacks/pod programs.
I had to use it because the combat went from semi-fun to not fun. Being reduced to 2-3 attacks sucks.
>Not a problem if you liked the game and enjoyed it the first play through that segment.
As I said the core gameplay (fighting) isn't that good. I replayed DMC5 5 times already because I liked the core gameplay, here I don't. Here I like the things that could easily be put in a medium different than a video game and the product would only benefit from it.

>Here I like the things that could easily be put in a medium different than a video game and the product would only benefit from it.
You're an absolute fucking moron, and the gameplay in Automata is absolutely integral to the story telling.

You've seen nothing yet.
>Being reduced to 2-3 attacks sucks.
Change weapons often and use delays to use the heavy attacks. A pause between a light attack will make the next attack a "heavy". I agree the hacking program should have been a Pod Program instead of replacing the heavy attack button though. 2B and A2 are more fun to play as.
>As I said the core gameplay (fighting) isn't that good. I replayed DMC5
Stopped reading there.
Do not compare this game to DMC. Do not compare any ARPG to an action game. You will sound like a shitposter.

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2b has a penis

>You're an absolute fucking moron
Stop being so assblasted, I only didn't like you shitty game.
>the gameplay in Automata is absolutely integral to the story telling.
This is so dumb I don't even know what to say to this. Should I start enjoying the boring stale hacking mobile game tier hacking minigame because now I know it's important to the story or something?

No, we expect you to stop coming into an ARPG thread and complaining that ARPG combat should be more like DMC you inbred. You're making me embarrassed to tell anyone I love DMC.

>Yeah, DMC5 has better combat and combos than Automata
>Ignore that that DMC5 is a fucking action game with almost no platforming that puts you into small, punctuated stages and let's you fight small groups of enemies in one littler arena after the next
>Everything else is boring and shit and unneeded
You're impressively stupid.

dream all you want, gaynigger. my wife is not phased by your insults

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I am going to compare it to an action game if it pretends to be one. It's a combination of an action game and ARPG, and it's mediocre at both.
>>Everything else is boring and shit and unneeded
When have I ever said that? I just said that if the gameplay is bad (and it is) everything else should be moved to a different medium, BECAUSE it's good. But a horse with broken legs can't pull this cart.

Are you trying to say that he wants to walk 2B home gently?

>That and her series can simulate pregnancy.

What would be the point and where did you find this out?

No. I think she might have literally "done nothing wrong."

>The only aspect of gameplay that matters in an action rpg is combo stringing
You're a fucking retard and your opinions are worthless.

>and it is
It's not. The exploration through the levels and movement feels great. Customization is there, and combat is fun. You have a variety of weapons with light and heavy attacks, ranged moves and counters. What does the gameplay do wrong outside of "less combos and juggling than DMC"?

> everything else should be moved to a different medium,
The gameplay isn't bad, and the story wouldn't work at all in a linear format like an anime. Let's start right from the beginning if you want examples: At the start of the game, you adjust your audio/visual settings and the game reflects this in the story by actually changing what you can see and hear. That's clever. How would you achieve that same effect in an anime where things like A/V settings don't exist?

Well then, DMC is a fucking awful bullet hell game.

ha
ha ha

>461013727
>and combat is fun
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>You're a fucking retard and your opinions are worthless.
Thank you for reminding me how assblasted shills get when you dare insult their
>The exploration through the levels and movement feels great.
Right until the point the game makes you run through all those locations again.
>461013727
>At the start of the game, you adjust your audio/visual settings and the game reflects this in the story by actually changing what you can see and hear. That's clever.
If this is clever for you then I recommend you go back to playing with rocks.
True, and it has only one bullet hell segment in the entire game, and it lasts 1-3 minutes. It doesn't force you to eat shit for the whole game.

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>can't actually respond to anything
>can't even format a fucking post
Yup, you're a retard.

Is Emil a good boy Yea Forums?

Emil is the best boy.

>70% of what you type is ad personam
>y-you can't even respond to anything!
pottery

>70% of what you type is ad personam
And like everyone else on Yea Forums who uses Latin phrases they don't understand in lieu of responding what people actually say because they think it makes them a master debater, you're a complete retard.

>You're a fucking retard and your opinions are worthless.
>The exploration through the levels and movement feels great
>Customization is there, and combat is fun. You have a variety of weapons with light and heavy attacks, ranged moves and counters.
>What does the gameplay do wrong outside of "less combos and juggling than DMC"?
>The gameplay isn't bad, and the story wouldn't work at all in a linear format like an anime. Let's start right from the beginning if you want examples: At the start of the game, you adjust your audio/visual settings and the game reflects this in the story by actually changing what you can see and hear. That's clever. How would you achieve that same effect in an anime where things like A/V settings don't exist?
I called you an idiot once, and brought up 4 different things about the game. That would be 20%, not 70%. You addressed absolutely none of what I said, shitposted in response to it all, and now are trying to be clever by saying "Haha, well you see I quoted on of reddit's favorite logical fallacies so I don't actually have to talk about gameplay!" I'll repeat it because it bears repeating: You're a fucking retard.

the best
is there an official story on what happens after the ending? after emil turns out to be alive? did emil at least got to hang out with his fr-
oh fuck, no matter which ending you pick, there is either no nier or no kaine
i'm sorry, what was i even thinking, asking for fanservice like that

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What? The official ending is 3 years later after Kaine lost her powers. She rescues shota-Nier from what is basically a portal-paradox, and then they live happily ever after.

Until Emil outlives them all because he's immortal, and the planet gets attacked by aliens that he has to multiply his body to fight, which causes his memories to fragment and him to lose bits of his personality.

Yeah, god help you if you criticize an older game or an older state of a game. Try talking about all the issues of Vanilla WoW and you'll get pitchforks and torches at your doorstep.

dude 2B and 9S are both extremely archetypal characters with barely any nuance. 2B doesnt want to see 9S die and 9S loves 2B, that is the full extent of who they are. they dont have the nuance of kaine and emile trying to deal with being considered as monsters by normal village folk, they dont remotely compared to kaine having to accept her past and move on with her life with her new companions. automata's characterization comprised of 90% "gahhhh kill these fucking robots, oh no muh 2B/9S"

i would never ever fucking play a game like automata if it wasnt related to the first nier. I was borderline gunna drop it but stuck through to see if it gets good and imo it never really did besides some A2 parts and the credits, characters were boring as shit and all the story beats/ thematic subversion were done better in the first nier. not saying nier 1 was an incredible game, but automata is over rated as all hell while being inferior to its predecessor

>dude 2B and 9S are both extremely archetypal characters with barely any nuance. 2B doesnt want to see 9S die and 9S loves 2B, that is the full extent of who they are. they dont have the nuance of kaine and emile trying to deal with being considered as monsters by normal village folk,
It's like you're so stupid that all of the characterization outside of their feelings for each other went right over your head. Oh wait, it's not just like that, that's actually how it is.

>thematic subversion were done better in the first nier
What the fuck does this even mean? What themes were subverted in the original Nier and how was it done with more finesse than in Automata? You literally said nothing while trying to sound smart despite typing like a dumb 14 year old.

whatever characterization they had it was shit because it just resulted in them wanting to kill more fucking robots over and over, they didnt have proper motivation to do anything, they just fucking killed robots for the sake of killing robots

>because it just resulted in them wanting to kill more fucking robots over and over
It's amazing how much of the game went right over your head. The people that pretend Replicant did everything better than Automata story-wise are a special kind of stupid.

you dont remotely have an argument besides telling me im too stupid to understand it, maybe your autistic brain read too deep into something retardedly written

>something retardedly written
You mean like that trainwreck of a sentence you just tried writing?

you the type of nigga that thinks you have a point because you write more formally on the internet, while employing one of the most common argumentative fallacies

>talk about writing quality and nuance in character personalities
>can't find your way around a simple sentence
Why would anyone take anything you say about writing quality in a game seriously? Do you not see the connection between being able to write and understand sentences and being able to glean meaning from dialog in a game?

>while employing one of the most common argumentative fallacies
Which one? Be very specific in explaining which one it was, and explain it in the context of the actual definition of the phrase and not the retarded reddit "You said something I don't like and made me feel dumb" definition.

I like both and they make me happy so I am content either way.

Who wore it better?

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not giving you anymore (you)s, i hope you have fun arguing with people by attacking their style of writing instead of their points, on a website about anime tits and saying nigger

That's about what I expected.

Are there people ITT that seriously think the anime tier writing in both these games is anything special?

>What themes were subverted in the original Nier
>humans are attacked by monsters
>whoops monsters are actually humans and "humans" are actually monsters

>we were the monsters and the monsters were the people
>a theme that Nier subverted
Have you been asleep and not consuming any form of media for the last 2 decades?

That's a plot twist, not a subversion. Not even a particularly original one. Please don't use terms you don't understand, it makes you look very stupid

>Please don't use terms you don't understand, it makes you look very stupid
But that's the main theme of Yea Forums.

C U T E

Best girl is the cutest forever.

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Am I the only one who liked the gameplay in gestalt?

It was very slow and simple, but I liked that. There was no fancy combos, you just hit enemies while dodging attacks. It felt like it had a lot of charm to it

The hitsounds were incredibly grating.

I love AJ Styles

I feel completely the same. I dropped it during route b, it was all the same. Left me with a meh feeling.

Gestalt has the better story, even if the game design format of Automata was superior. Both have excellent soundtracks, but Automata pulling out recognizable tunes straight from the first game at seemingly random does dampen things a bit. Automata also wins in technical presentation and integrating game mechanics into the story and interactions.

The story of a JRPG is the strongest feature which Gestalt has an upper hand in, but Automata basically beats it out otherwise unless you really hate going from braindead action game with gimmick parts to a braindead Platinum effort with gimmick parts.

What a puffy vulva.

>but Automata pulling out recognizable tunes straight from the first game at seemingly random
But Emil's theme during his quest, Kaine's theme when you find her house, and the ancient song during the twins' scene were all perfectly implemented. The people grasping at straws trying to elevate Replicant or Gestalt over Automata in terms of story and music just make things up.

Why did the Song of the Ancients randomly get remixed for multiple boss fights besides the vocals usage for the twins?

>randomly get remixed for multiple boss fights
Which ones?

Rpscs3 or whatever it's called. It runs pretty well.

really? I'm running gestalt on that and while it's not TOO bad after i've been in an area, every time I enter a new area, see a new cutscene, etc, the shaders and shit need to compile and no setting i can find seems to stop that. it's making the game basically unplayable, especially when story progressing scenes freeze for the first 10 seconds or so while the dialog continues.

sorry, replicant* not gestalt.

Gestalt

>What was better
>Gestalt or automata
Pinocchio

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Automata's story is pretty poorly developed in a video game, it's like 40% of it is in the actual game and 60% is outside in novels, concerts, etc.
A2's story is live action (outside of the game).
Yorha's creation is outside of the game.
2b's developing affection towards 9s is a story that is outside of the game (and that's why a lot of braindead retards couldn't even notice hints and tension between 9s and 2b during the first route, however you didn't even need to read anything to notice it if you are not clinically retarded anyway).
True ending is outside of the game - concerts.

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Should I farm exp items?

I love both OSTs, however Automata has youtube.com/watch?v=z49X4rpxdQE great male vocal tracks.

So I'm on route A, chapter 7

Do I save money for later or buy chips and shit I can afford?

>Automata's story is pretty poorly developed in a video game, it's like 40% of it is in the actual game and 60% is outside in novels, concerts, etc.
No it's not. Most of it is in the game and the outside info is mostly supplementary and not directly related to the main characters. Even the real ending isn't that far off of what the ending in the game was.

There's a quest you need ~50k for, that's limited access based on how far into the route you get. it's not crucial to do it right then, though, for reasons you'll see later.

>But I tried anyway.
>I would try anything.
>I wanted to vomit, but I kept going.
>It tasted like oil.

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I have 12 k and I'm trying to get Emil to sell me the dress module for 10k to go around in leotard

I got him to show up at the resistance camp and he sent me 2 email already but he's still only selling +6 chips

Is there something else to unlock his rare items?

yeah, he sells different items based on where he's located on the map. the rare items you're looking for show up when he's doing his route outside the camp, in that little pool area.

i'm retarded and can't read. my mistake, user. I think it's after a certain point in the game, i don't recall when, sorry.

It shocked me more that in Nier they actually disociatted the soul and body, and you were a body just fighting the souls of the original humans, than that the humans were already dead and that the black boxes of the androids were made with machine cores which could be seen from a mile.

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>Gestalt

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>Ignore that that DMC5 is a fucking action game with almost no platforming
Don't act like if it was a good thing in Automata.

>Don't act like if it was a good thing in Automata.
What? The large open levels in Automata were fantastic, and exploring them felt incredibly smooth because of the controls and mobility options the androids had.

>Buried in sand, we press forward one step at a time.
>We have nowhere else to go, after all.
>Because our models–the Devola and Popola models–are defective.

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How can I prepare myself to play the first Drakengard? I've already tried, put like 4h in it and the gameplay aged like bad milk.

>that entire arc

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>But they changed their mind.
>They saw us androids. They saw Adam. And Eve.
>They saw how we lived, considered the meaning of existence, and came to a different conclusion.

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>How can I prepare myself to play the first Drakengard?
By not playing it and watching shit on youtube.

I read it like ' kill' for some reason when I played it, the way 9S thought go the whole sequence feel more like jealousy of 2B because she gets to be loved (by him) but he does not fgeel to be loved the same way (by her).

>I am the only one left. The only one.
>I was alive because I had been afraid to die.

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Reminder that White is the best girl.

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isn't ther a "meaning" on being you, the player, the one actuyally doing the killing?

It subverts your expectations going in, considering you just expect a straightforward JRPG where you're the good guy, fighting these demons to reach the super bad demon and kill him to take back your kid. That's the subvertion of the genre that usually is pretty straightforward with that stuff.

>The large open levels in Automata were fantastic
No, everyone agrees that the open world in Automata was boring and uninteresting.
It's not because you have some kind of platforming thanks to the verticality of your levels that it's automatically good.

user, I killed millions in games.
Don't need one game to show me the "meaning" of killing a bunch of 0 and 1.

>watching shit on youtube
nu/v/ everyone.
kys.

>my game is deep guys!
No it's not.

Yeah user, we both know Drakengard has exceptional good gameplay.
I mean, farming all the weapons is a delight to do in that game.

I mean specifically in Drakengard.

I liked the map better in first Nier. It was just better made up with clear knowing on where to go and stuff. Like you didn't even really need a waypoint because you knew very early into the game where the different areas was because they were so vastly different and had their own identity. In automata it's easy to get lost and i don't like that with games, that especially are heavy on the storytelling.

>No, everyone agrees that the open world in Automata was boring and uninteresting.
You're an idiot who just pulled that consensus out of your ass.

>DEEP fag
kys

>things are only emotional if they're deep
you're a faggot and the only thing you know about deep is depth dicks go in your throat, shitposter.

I always wondered why didn't they put a "press X to save 9S" in this scene.

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>It subverts your expectations going in, considering you just expect a straightforward JRPG where you're the good guy
You an idiot. It has a pretty standard plot twist, and no one who'd ever played a Yoko Taro game or even heard of the guy expected a straightforward "We are the good guys slaying evil" jrpg. It wasn't Dragon Quest. Even if you didn't expect the twist, it's still not a subversion of any theme, as relative moralism and the struggle to survive making you think about which side is right, or if there even is a right side is a staple of fiction at this point.

because that would ruin it, obviously. why would you want that?

stop samefaging, retard.

Because it had pretty nice gameplay integration into the story, and a literal QTE cutscene is artless. "Press X to [action]" is only good if you're playing a turn based game and it overwrites one of your commands.

faggot

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>press X to save me from Run B
Yep, would be better.

Because I felt that giving the player agency to choke 9S would have been better than just a scene.

Could have added another small ending if you didn't do it.

>playing on normal mode and then complaining its not hard enough
you wot m8

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1 for 3, dipshit.

Automata>Gestalt

But the difference isn't that great and they're both great.

I love my wife 2B!

>Better Story
Gestalt & Replicant
>Better gameplay
Automata
>Better Music
Gestalt & Replicant
>Better Music Technique
Automata
>Better Party
Gestalt & Replicant

>Overall:
Gestalt & Replicant win

First game as a whole.
Automata has fancier animations, but the combat is still as shallow as Gestalt/Replicant. A lot of aspects of Automata are forgettable compared to the first game IMO.

I guess most people will just answer with their first entry.

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>I guess most people will just answer with their first entry.
No, just the idiots like you and the guy above you who are so contrarian that you pretend that the gameplay in Automata isn't a huge improvement, and that the story, characters and music in Replicant stand head and shoulders above Automata to the point that the original is a better game.

The gameplay in Automata is just style and no substance. Enemies still stand around and pose absolutely no threat, even on hard, because you can infinitely spam dodge. It's combat as brainless as FFXV. Fucking neck yourself, retard.

Story and chara terms in Nier are miles ahead of Automata. Has absolutely nothing to do with being contrarian. Gameplay in Automata is just flashy shit with no substance at all. Fucking boss fights in Nier were a million times better.

>hurr if you prefer Nier you're contrarian hurr

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Basically this.

I already said the combat animations are better in Automata. Combat is still as braindead as it was in Nier. No need to get upset.

Automata > Replicant > Gestalt

Also, better world should go to Nier.

and better bosses/bossfights

imagine getting this fucking mad because someone doesn't like your waifutrash game

Yes, you were.
I have no idea why ya samefags keep shitting on the gameplay. It is fucking great and varied as hell.
And no, this experience only works as an interactive game.

Automata has the better main couple

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>varied as hell
lmao

>inb4 a donguri video of an enemy just standing there

aww yeah dood I love spamming the fuck out of dodge non-stop it's so fun and varied

>ya samefags

yikes
must be tough not being able to handle differing opinions

Nice "non arguments" there kiddo.
Let's just ignore the fact that the game jumps between top-down shoot'em up, side-scrolling shoot'em up, 3D third person hack & slash, 3D third person shooting, 2D action platforming, bullet-hell shooting... etc.

At least get a fucking proxy to not be so obvious.

>This game would be better as an anime or a visual novel
unironically this

So does the first game..

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At least I know now that you're just a mad secondary who hasn't played the first game. Thanks for confirming

>Enemies still stand around and pose absolutely no threat, even on hard
Play the game.

>Gameplay in Automata is just flashy shit with no substance at all
Ah, you're angry enough to samefag. Thanks for at least saving me the trouble of a few serious replies.

>Play the game

I did. Try proving me wrong instead of having absolutely no counter-arguments whatsoever. The enemies in Automata are just as dumb as the enemies in the first game.

>no argument
>s-samefag!!!!

Embarrassing.

>user says contrarians mad that 2B's game is popular pretend Automata isn't better even though people who've played both games know it is
>a bunch of retards get angry and reply
>"fucking waifushit! you're mad, not me!"
Way to show him, user.

>At least I know now that you're just a mad secondary who hasn't played the first game
I've played the first game, and almost all of the combat was roll->triangle with the spear. Every fight, every area.

Also reminder that if you played the shitty localized version of Nier, you will always be a filthy secondary no matter how hard you want to pretend to be a primary fan.

jesus fuck just stop posting

>Try proving me wrong instead of having absolutely no counter-arguments whatsoever.
Post a video of you waltzing through the game on hard mode without getting touched by enemies and dying.

>I don't need to-
Yes you do. You're the one who said the game is full of braindead enemies who pose no threat on hard mode, now show some gameplay footage or fuck off, you retard.

>even though people who've played both games know it is
Not according to this thread. A lot of people will agree that the first is stoll better AS A WHOLE.

>I've played the first game
Is that why you didn't know it varied in gameplay styles like Automata?

>Post a video of you waltzing through the game on hard mode without getting touched by enemies and dying.

No need to. There are already plenty of videos online of people just spamming dodge. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to imply this game has a single challenging enemy who isn't a sluggish samey robot who spends ten years telegraphing every attack? Fuck, you can even watch donguri's videos to see this.

You Automatafags are so overly defensive you're delusional.

Shit, I played Drakengard first, then NieR, then Automata. I still prefer _Automata_.

Platinum fanboys cannot fathom that anyone would prefer the first game. Just let them be butthurt.

Nier is a trash series for tasteless weeb fags.

That has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
The same-fagging ADHD action kid tries to (again) imply that N:A would not have a great amount of variety in the gameplay, trying to make the discussion all about "muh combat!" and how he THINKS he can just dodge-spam past everything.

Feel free to stay mad, and still try to do a pathetic topic-switch.

how about (You) stop breathing ?

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whoa it's like everyone is different or something

>A lot of people will agree that the first is stoll better AS A WHOLE.
Contrarians angry at 2B's ass don't have opinions that matter.

>Is that why you didn't know it varied in gameplay styles like Automata?
What playstyles? Combat boils down to roll attacks and spamming heavy swings. There's nothing to it. You literally can't string any sort of combos at all and ranged magic doesn't lead into melee at all. The combat is extremely bare bones. You're literally retarded.

>That has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You were literally implying Nier didn't have varied playstyles like Automata.

Stupid phoneposter.

nostalgia-goggles wielding "muh sikkrit club!!" - NieR fags can't fathom how most people would prefer a far superior game, no matter the year.

>tfw can't read the thread because I'm currently working my way through Nier 1
>have to bookmark it and read it once I've beaten the game TWICE
I don't know how far I am, but the last thing I did was watch Kaine's shade take control of her, and Emil and I had to give her a paddling. Now we have one of five keys needed to access the lair of the shadowlord.
The game started off very janky but I actually feel that now it has become kind of fun, what may have been holding it back was the lack of variety/options when you only have 1 handed swords and some basic magic.
Now that I have the boat for fast travel, there's not much to complain about besides the very "gather these things" sidequests.
I'm kind of astonished at the seriousness they've presented Emil's character with in Automata, considering the heartfelt and tragic story surrounding him in Nier 1.
I look forward to seeing where that goes, and to spending more time in Facade which may be one of my favorite towns in any game.
Can't wait to read the rest of this thread once I'm done with the game.

>No need to
Thank you for admitting that you're objectively full of shit and that no one should listen to you.

Replicant

>hurr Automata has varied games types like 2D and 3D and bullet-hell
>so does the first
>HURR DURR STOP CHANGING THE TOPIC

my fucking sides
I'm done with this thread

>You were literally implying Nier didn't have varied playstyles like Automata
No, I was not. I was literally, purely stating that Nier: Automata has VERY varied gameplay.
You've been shitposting about this for a whole month now. Get new b8s.

>stupid phoneposter
I don't phonepost, ya moron.

Everyone who's played both gamds knows that enemies are stupid and sluggish in both. Stop frothing at the mouth, fanboy.

>I was literally, purely stating that Nier: Automata has VERY varied gameplay

So does the first. Your point is fucking moot. Automata just goes bullet-he'll far more often. The bullet-hell is also trash because of your overpowered spamable melee attack.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that you were only talking to one person?

>these mad as fuck Tomatos
Every fucking thread.

>Automata's A ending is the only "happy" ending
Really makes you think

welp there goes the goalpost

>Everyone who's played both gamds knows that enemies are stupid and sluggish in Replicant, and that the gameplay was never ever a highlight of the game, and that Automata objectively improved upon gameplay aspects
Fixed your dumbass post for you, angry shitposter.

Did you not finish the game and get to the E ending?

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Nier >>> Nier Automata

Automata is awesome, but Nier is way better.

>Automata objectively improved upon gameplay aspects

It really didn't though. The controls are more fluid and animations are much better, but it is STILL held back by shit enemies like the first game. The combat is still an absolute no-brainer.

>thread full of angry retards pretending that Nier is an overall better game
>surprised that they didn't actually play through Automata
Come on.

>boob window
Why do girls do this?

>inb4 REEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING CONTRARIAN

oh fuck off you passive aggressive fucktard that doesn't even make any sense

good god you're pathetic

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>passive aggressive
>outright call a group of people angry retards
>passive aggressive
The people angry about Automata and getting stupider and stupider by the second, and they were already pretty fucking stupid to begin with.

This thread is a great example of why I absolutely hate Automata fans. Reminds me of 0fags in Yakuza threads.

I don't know if you're just pretending to be an idiot or a real deal, so I made this neat little summary of the discussion so far.

tl;dr: Nobody was comparing Nier & Automata, before your own "lol there's no variety!!" -bullshit was BTFO.

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>angry shitposter

You Automatafags are the ones getting man tough..

Nier 1 didn't have lock-on which is pretty absurd.

It's no wonder he doesn't want to remember it, it's one of the worst things about the game.

You're so angry that you forgot how to type. Take a break, user.

You're dense as fuck.

...because you hate people preferring superior gameplay, production values, and all the main content being actually in the game, rather than in supplementary merchandise ?

Nier 1 also didn't have any aircombos, good weapon switching combos, gap closers like wire hook, or counter attacks. It was very basic. I don't know when this trend of pretending Nier has combat even close to Automata's started, but holy shit it is stupid.

No I'm not.
Anything else?

This.
Also let's not forget the endless LOADING TIMES that took fucking minutes at worst, and the fact that you literally need to play the same last-half of the game 3 times to get all the ends, big chunks of it being grinding in the one same-face factory.

>What was better

In terms of pure gameplay, Automata.
Every other aspect, Gestalt/Replicant.

Drakengard 3 > NieR Gestalt > Nier Automata > Drakengard > Drakengard 2

yeah all that stuff is good but wasted on shit enemies that do absolutely nothing

>Drakengard 3

nice joke
just about as funny as the shitty attempts at humor in that garbage game

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>Gestalt
Yikes

>yeah all that stuff is good but it completely rapes my argument so I'll pretend that the enemies do nothing, and that this invalidates everything the game throws at your for options
>please don't talk about combat mechanics and level design and how these things affect gameplay

Daly reminder that FFXIV Shadowbringers will have a Nier Automata raid.

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Nier is the vastly superior game all around. I even prefer its combat by a landslide.
But my dick says 2B is the most attractive character since Capcom stopped making attractive characters some 20 years ago

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>I even prefer its combat by a landslide.
youtu.be/I3OC45UuoHA?list=PLP_EoLeDj9QgwuWWa4oJ3EGHG72MDxVXT&t=1059
youtu.be/0203jbYU0TI?t=54
And before you ask "Why didn't you link a Replicant combo video?" it's because they don't exist because the combat is so basic that it's not actually impossible to string anything more than a standard 4-hit combo together and then maybe a spell at the end.

>I'll pretend that the enemies do nothing

Can you post a video of enemies posing any sort of threat to the player?

I don't care about your combo autism. I like Nier's basic arcadey gameplay.

Enemies really don't do shit. Every enemy telegraphs hard as fuck, and you have unlimited dodge. Trying to pretend Automata can sit with DMC Bayo or MGR is retarded.

>aircombos, good weapon switching combos, gap closers like wire hook, or counter attacks

no point when you can just endlessly spam dodge and dance around mobs of enemies

Brainlets

Because boys like it.

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>basic arcadey gameplay.
What the fuck does that even mean besides "I literally have no point"? What does Nier offer that Automata doesn't for gameplay?

Only a brainlet could like Dumbengard 3 that much.

Simpler combat.
Better bossfights.

Sorry to trigger your combotism.

>too stupid to play the actual game in its intended language
>calling anyone else a brainlet
Nice effort.

The unlimited dodge is the single dumbest thing about Automata.

>all this 2Butthurt
yikes fellas

>arcadey means simple
>Better bossfights
I actually can't tell if you're trolling.

Just switch DoD1 and Gestalt and it's perfect.

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youtu.be/q5e1Kwo8dgI?t=713
Here's someone getting hit a few times during a fight, and only not dying because he's not on hard or very hard. When you inevitably pick up the goal posts and start running with them, try not to trip and fall.

Automata's bosses were beyond dull.

>Better bossfights

I disagree. The bosses have better designs since most machines just follow the same design philosophy, but in terms of the actual battles I'd say both games are about even, maybe even give it to Automata.

The opera singer was better than every boss in Replicant put together. Are you fucking high? Watching boss finish attacks in Replicant were cool, but the bossfights themselves were extremely dull by comparison.

automata is shit and would not have sold more than 100 copies if they didn't plaster the fat ass robot on every single thing about it

I always find it hilarious when an automata thread doesn't start with an image of 2b and then proceeds to peter out after 20 posts because no one can identify at a glance what the thread is talking about without the porn robot

>The opera singer was better than every boss in Replicant put together

Now you're just being retarded.

The only memorable boss was the opera singer honestly.

Nier stuck with me more, but Automata is ultimately better and far more polished. Drakengard stuck with me more than both, but it's easily the worst game.

youtu.be/-qNpJwqhgAA?t=37
Please show a boss from Replicant that has this level of polish, variety in attacks, and perfect musical timing with its movements. This boss is fantastic.

Beepy

Better BOSSES, yes.
But not better BOSSFIGHTS.

N:A would've been better as an anime.

>The game that had the better gameplay would have been better as an anime
>Not the one whose saving graces were a great story, characters and music
How fucking stupid can one person be?

It will have Drakengard and Gestalt/Replicant elements as well for sure.

I'm still wondering how they'll fit it into the lore now that Omega is gone, Ivalice being in Hyadelyn is plausible, but... a tidal locked earth with a lore spaning over 12k years...?

>music
>do boring, repetitive side quests
>some that have you do THE EXACT SAME THING like three or more times
>finish quest with shitty emotional and shallow philosophical pay off
>MELANCHOLIC MELODY WITH MADE UP LANGUAGE LYRICS BEGINS PLAYER
>OMG SO MANY FEELS

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Sorry, I can't tell which game you're trying to shitpost about. Could you be a little more specific?

This is an important distinction.

If you don't want to fuck 9S' hot little boypussy, then you're gay user

>t. faggot

>Gestalt

>preferring the version of Nier that was butchered to appeal to a western dudebro audience

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>Most of Gestalt's sidequests, ESPECIALLY ones involving material farming, are pure cancer.
As opposed to the riveting sidequests of Automata?

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That's not Four

>liking the gayboy edition where you get buttraped for money

>Duel with Adam in the copied city
>Spider mech in the dark
>The last phase of Eve where you're all jacked up evading bullet hell and going into the Network world as a person for the first time
>The boxing match with Pascal and Engels
>The showdown with the two spider mechs while running up the tower
>The last duel where you hack A2's status menu
>Weight of the Wold battle

Nah, there was a quite a few kino ones.

>riveting
You should stick to words like "varied" or "branching" for your shitposting, as nothing in NV is even remotely interesting or emotionally gripping.

>liking the actual version of the game
Not him, but year. I don't enjoy playing non-canon fanfic aimed at retards.

>gestalt
>not canon
explain

It's nice to see this image still holds a few years later. The following for the original Nier was always tainted by tumblr/gaf crazies and it sure did show when Automata came out and completely eclipsed it.

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>explain

siliconera.com/2010/05/20/barbarian-nier-was-born-in-los-angeles/

>Originally, the young Nier was the only main character. “I made the youthful version (the protagonist of Nier Replicant) first, during development Saito-san (producer) talked about considering overseas markets,” Taro Yokoo, Director at Cavia, explained in an interview with Inside Games. “At Square Enix’s Los Angeles studio we had a discussion, it was said having a fragile young character was not possible. So, I started preparing a macho protagonist for North America.”

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Replicant is canon, Gestalt is not. Gestalt was an altered story made to appeal to western audiences. They didn't even take care to change major plot details and dialog between the versions. This is especially obvious when you wake up Kaine after the timeskip. When she talks to Nier who is now 21 instead of 16, her words make sense. When she talks to Nier who went from early 40's to mid 40's, her words make no sense.

The irony of this is that Nier growing from a kid to a jaded, hardened young adult is wiped out from Gestalt completely, and watching him grow up was a big part of the game.

>this whole thread
Jesus fuck, since when does Yoko Taro games attract so much shitposters? What a fucking cesspool

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>posting the photoshopped version

>posting the photoshopped version
There is a non-photoshopped version?

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Yes, maybe someone will post it.

None of those were memorable at all.

Thank Automata.

Why not?

see

Yeah and her arse is much more lackluster.

I like them equally

Nier is a sort of deconstructive and subversive take on how games use altering perspectives and semiotics to desensitise you to violence and killing. This more or less comes to light when you're playing the mansion level and Nier refers to himself plainly as a "big guy who kills stuff" There is also the interplay of a character who understands the world literally (Weiss) against Nier's more game-informed worldview.

Automata is more of an absurdist take on what the world would become in 3000 years when humanity is extinct and synthetic life takes over all aspects of human existence, including spirituality (resurrection to the Yorha is trivial) sexuality (the confusion between sex and violence common between machines and Yorha) and the seemingly nonsensical means by which the remnants of a destroyed civilisation rebuilds itself in differing kinds of societies(the forest kingdom for instance basing its social cohesion around protecting a useless baby robot)

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>Nier is a sort of deconstructive
And just like that, your post is worthless.

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>2b or not 2b
>That is not the question
>Because the answer is yes

But it is, YT literally says so in

Fuck off.

No he doesn't. He does not call it a deconstruction. The kind of people that started using the word "deconstruction" to mean "subverts genre conventions" after Madoka aired are retards whose opinions are worthless. Taro made a game that reflected his moral views based on and shaped by the political climate at the time. That's how art has worked for a long fucking time. He wasn't sitting there thinking "What if we set a game up like normal and then have an epic twist where we tell the played everything they took for granted was wrong!"

Kill yourself, you mouth breathing retard.

You're full of shit.

You're an absolute fucking retard who doesn't what words mean.

At least learn to type.

>after Madoka aired
But "deconstruction" has been in vogue ever since Eva aired.

that doesnt say anything about canon, just what he made first. You think movies dont go through 2000 rewrites / 300 reshoots?

I omitted a word. Nice catch. Now learn what English words mean.

The terms absolutely blew up on Yea Forums after Madoka. The before and after aren't even remotely comparable.

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The game wasn't even rewritten to accommodate the changes. They just slapped a new model in, changed "onii-chan" to "dad" and called it a day. All of the after stories written are based off of the Replicant version of the game as well. That's the real version.

>Thinking "canon" matters in taroverse
Yikes.

still both are canon

>Playing a game where the dialog doesn't actually match up to the story and characters because the entire premise for your version aimed at retards was a quick "fix" to try to appeal to what they think western audiences want

The canon ending of Nier is in a Japanese short story that's based on Replicant. Gestalt is not canon. Gestalt was a marketing ploy.

What the fuck happened to this thread

autists happened as usual.

i would argue replicant was a marketing ploy since they wanted to make a japanese god of war daddy nier is the original

>i would argue replicant was a marketing ploy
And you'd be both an idiot and wrong. Replicant is the actual version. That's the first version they wrote, and the version that all following materials are based off of. You should also learn what "marketing ploy" so you don't look as stupid in the future.

automatautists sperging out as usual

its a ploy for all the thirsty japs to get boners for some girly boy

>people who've been on board since DoD call the Gestalt shitposters retards
>people who've actually played Replicant laugh at the Gestalt retards trying to call people secondaries for liking Automata
>people who like Automata laugh at how angry 2B makes Gestalt retards
Yeah, I wonder which group is the problem.

End this gayness

Futa is far from gay.

That's like saying trannies aren't gay.
It gay nigga.

>I even prefer its combat by a landslide.
Same, the combat in Nier feels a lot more meaty and weighty.

Not him, but you're very fucking gay.

Yeah it feels like you're really digging into enemies. Automata's weapons have absolutely no weight to them.

Trannies are only gay because there is balls, and balls are gay. Futa no balls is the most hetero thing.

Niggers are subhuman, nigga.

>Automata's weapons have absolutely no weight to them.
Actually try playing both games and using heavy weapons in Automata. There's more weight to your swings and your contact with enemies.

Just like faggots who like futa
Like a real gay homosex man you make every excuse in the book to justify being a massive homo who wants to sock all the cocks.

Sure sounds like opinions to me. Prove why you think it's gay?

Dark Fist is the best spell bar none.

Because there's a dick on them. You're turned by beings with dicks on them.
You might as well just go watch gay porn at this point, user.
There being balls attached to the dick is no different.

But balls make it gay user. If you like full package futa then your gay. Pure futa is about as straight as it gets.

I take it you haven't read Grimoire Nier and therefore Ending E. Kaine brings back Nier from while destroying the memory tree and they live happily ever after until they either die from the black scrawl or age, I can't remember what Taro said. Emil is a rolling head and may or may not have found his way back to them.

Nah contact feels weak as fuck.

>contact feels weak as fuck.
Be very specific and explain exactly what you mean by that. Is it the sound, the wind up time, the enemy reaction to being hit? Don't give a vague bullshit answer that means literally nothing so you can pretend that Nier 1 did stuff better.

It's been in vogue ever since some post-modernist coined the term 60 years ago and then failed to properly describe it every single time someone asked him. That other user is right though, Taro wasn't trying to play with genre conventions, he was just seeing things through a different lens and he was disturbed by musous for that reason.

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>It's been in vogue ever since some post-modernist coined the term 60 years ago and then failed to properly describe it every single time someone asked him.
It just means "if you keep breaking down a whole into smaller and smaller parts, eventually those parts will no longer be representative of the ideas of the whole." People misusing the term are dumb.

lmao finally a real bulge

Drakengard's A ending is the only happy ending in the series. Endings B, C and D are all progressively worse and ending E is such a disaster it spills over into our world and causes untold tragedy including that found in Nier and Automata.

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There's just no feeling to impact. I know you think the first game did absolutely nothing better because you love Automata so much, but this is one of the things I agree with ITT.

>so you can pretend that Nier 1 did stuff better

christ would you fuck off already

To be fair, both these games are pseudo deep, so weebs will lap it up as if it's on of the best games of all time, when it isn't.
But Nier > Nier:A.

If it was butchered then why did grorious nippon get it as well?

>literally can't name a single factor that goes into how weapons feel that was lacking in Automata
This is why people desperately defending Gestalt get called stupid. If you can't even begin to substantiate or explain your opinion, then it's worthless.

discord tag?

No. Automata did everything better than the first game. Literally EVERYTHING.

If it mattered in nippon, then why was the nippon version of Automata based on Replicant?

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This was true until Automata came out and referenced both in weapon stories. Let's not forget that despite following DoD's ending A Drakengard 2 isn't a sequel to it according to the "canon".

>This was true until Automata came out and referenced both in weapon stories.
The Japanese version of Automata (read: the one that matters and that all material is based off of and is objectively canon) does not reference dad Nier in the weapon stories. You're wrong.

Explain Automata weapon stories referrince to Papa Nier then. It's based on both because both games officially happened years apart.

I like both games equally. I'm not here to be tribalistic. It just felt better cutting into shades. It's just an opinion. It felt and sounded better. I guess it just doesn't feel the same cutting into metal. It feels good when you're in A2's berserk mode though.

Your kind who desperately defend Automata are no better, by the way.

>Explain Automata weapon stories referrince to Papa Nier then
www65.atwiki.jp/automata_ex/pages/31.html#id_9679725f
Why are you talking about a game you haven't played?

>I like both games equally. I'm not here to be tribalistic
And I love both games, but when I talk about what I liked compared between them I can actually explain it instead of spouting complete and utter nonsense like a retard.

>I guess it just doesn't feel the same
Like this. What the fuck does this even mean? You aren't feeling anything, unless you're talking about controller rumble. You haven't actually talked about the animations or reactions to hitting and being hit. Just saying "well yeah then, those two things" at this point won't mean anything, either.

>If it mattered in nippon, then why was the nippon version of Automata based on Replicant?
Not quite:

nier.fandom.com/wiki/NieR_Gestalt

>It was released in 2010 only on the Xbox 360 in Japan, and released on the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in Europe and North America as Nier, stylized as NIER.

As we all know, the amount of people in Japan who own a Xbox console can be counted on one hand. In other words: nobody in Japan actually played this version. As for why they made it, beats me.

>What the fuck does this even mean?

It means it doesn't feel the same. Are you literally autistic?

Don't bother, he's literally autistic.

How fucking stupid are you? How does it not feel the same? I asked you if it was the animations or the time to charge an attack or the knockback and you just said "it feels different." How the fuck can it just feel different if you literally and objectively are not feeling the hits? You're experiencing them entirely through watching it on screen, and I asked you which part of that was different. You're not saying anything.

You're literally a fucking retard and can't actually address anything I've said about the combat in the games because all you're capable of doing is getting mad that Automata did stuff better. Go fellate a shotgun.

>Not quite:
But you're not disagreeing with me.

Shut the fuck up, autist. There is no weight to attacks in Automata like most every other Platinum game. Its just all flash and absolutely no substance.

tl;dr - you're too autistic to understand how something feels

idk I like the Gestalt/Replicant OST better though
youtube.com/watch?v=t6kXb0NL1PE
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>Its just all flash and absolutely no substance.
Ah, I know which retard from further up the thread you are.

>to understand how something feels
The irony being that you're literally too stupid to put it into words despite it all being something that happens on screen that you should be able to explain.

>getting baited this fucking hard

bruh what are you doing

>retards on Yea Forums are simply baiting and not actually retarded
Oh user

But that ass, tho

Drakengard 3

2B is a shit character, 9S is a more fleshed out character because more screen time and the frustration aspect from growing to love 2B from memory wipes to the eventual conflict he fills from realizing she's an execution android who has been killing him over and over. Not shown in the game really other than the Adam line of "You're thinking about how much you want to **** 2B, aren't you?" with **** being a duality for the obvious "fuck" and "kill." And he tries to kill her in other works of N:A. 9S would be good if he just wasn't such a bitch and wasn't so fucking unlikable

>Gameplay
Automata

>Story/Plot
GesRep

>Characters
GesRep

>Soundtrack
GesRep

>World/World Building
GesRep

>with **** being a duality for the obvious "fuck" and "kill."
Great pseudo-intellectual analysis, but the moon version of that line already got posted, and it's not a double stand in for fuck/kill.

Is it something like save/free?

It's just sexual in nature.

>He doesn't know.

discord?

No, it's just implied to be lewd things. The way it's phrased wouldn't even make sense for a verb meaning to harm/to kill, so that user who offered up his "insightful" analysis of the characters is just an idiot.

So it's literally you want to lewd 2B? That's meta.

Nice cosplay

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post more 2B

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Gestalt's story, world and people are infinitely more interesting than Automata.

people that defend automata are dumbass secondaries
2b is shit tier, get some taste

>people that defend automata are dumbass secondaries
Reminder that unless you played Nier Replicant and read the official moon guidebook, you're a dumb secondary.

>playing one of the Japanese releases of a game makes you a secondary
Imagine feeling superior to others because you can read Japanese of all languages.

Imagine trying to call others secondaries and getting that assblasted when they point out that you're a retarded secondary and always will be.

Playing any version of Nier means you aren't a secondary though. That's the difference. Imagine getting this worked up over a video game.

>Playing any version of Nier means you aren't a secondary though.
That's some pretty serious secondary cope.

I actually know nothing about nier because everyone just posts hundreds of 2b pictures instead of saying what the game is actually about

Nier is about Nier.
Automata is about 9S.

Surely there is more to a game than just the main character?

No.