>no cream >zavok >only 15 characters >many tracks are reused >3 tracks of Seaside Hill and Casino Park are reused from the previous racing games. >there's an Ice Zone that's not based on Ice Cap or Cool Edge for some reason...? >a lot of really missed opportunities when it comes to characters and tracks
I'm sure it'll be a fun game to play, but there are so many disappointments with this.
Instead of having the Chao be part of Amy and Big's team. they should've had Amy, Big, and Cream. And then have Tikal, Chaos Zero, and the Chao Racer as part of their own team. It makes sense because these 3 characters are all connected.
SUMO said they couldn't use Cream because she's a "sealed character" character now.
Sebastian Flores
She's a what?
Ayden Wright
Source? The IDW comics and mobile phone games use Cream.
Brody Gutierrez
The hell is a sealed character?
Leo James
I swear to God Sonic Team is so aggressively fucking stupid my only wish is that one day everyone working there will drop dead
Aiden Clark
Think of characters like Mighty and Ray before Sonic Mania Plus. They're basically characters that are never used again in the games.
Takashi Iizuka said in an interview after Mighty and Ray were revealed for Plus: "Personally to me, they were supposed to be “sealed characters” that would never be planned to be added to games."
I'm surprised they keep using Silver, who originated from one of the shittiest games ever, on top of just being another fucking hedgehog with powers, he's one of the least interesting Sonic characters but they keep bringing him back.
Least they keep using Blaze.
David Hall
She's in the mobile games
Michael Davis
Ice Mountain's theme is a remix of Cool Edge.
Also Cool Edge itself is basically just a generic ice level anyways.
Tyler Jones
It's favoritism, Shun Nakamura, the director of Sonic 06, is still at Sonic Team and produced Sonic Forces.
Gavin Jenkins
I wish I could work on sonic games haha
Asher Jones
NO ONE LIKES BIG AHHHHHHH
Kayden Campbell
>Playable Rouge >Colours aesthetic >I'm just in the mood for a kart racer but don't have any interest in Crash I'm pretty happy with it
>sonic TEAM racing >somehow don't include the trio that's always been known to be a team
Vector is my favorite of the three, and my favorite Sonic character in general, and I'm glad he's playable but why the fuck did they skip Espio and Charmy?
Because he's a self insert OC of one of the people at Sonic Team. There was even an interview where he said he hoped Silver would get popular enough to get his own spin-off title like Shadow did.
Christian Robinson
No one likes charmy
Ryan Turner
There's also 3 tracks of Final Fortress that are reused from the previous racing games.
I like Charmy in Knuckles Chaotix because he breaks the game.
Cooper Bell
I like Zavok. So at least one person likes him. That's more than Charmy.
Thomas Morgan
Can I get a source?
James Barnes
Why?
Colton Taylor
This is a side kart racing game, there's a place for both of them. Apparently no room for the Rogues though in any capacity, however.
Zachary Price
Expect DLC announcement first week of game release. Cream will be part of DLC
Caleb Fisher
he's red
Carson Rivera
holy shit i thought this was a demo roster this is the fucking worst launch roster it could have also why the fuck are blaze and silver team chaotix? just add charmy and espio to chaotix and add fuckin mephiles or some shit to team mystic or whatever, it just feels so wrong
>>I'm just in the mood for a kart racer but don't have any interest in Crash contradiction
Asher Edwards
TSR feels very lazy. 12 new tracks and only 15 characters is just bad. Weird how Transformed raised the bar for the entire genre which no other game has been able to reach, let alone top, but then we get this afterwards.
Espio might not be as important as Vector, but he was playable in that PSP game nobody played. That at least makes him slightly more important than Charmy.
Carter Davis
SASRT outclasses this game so hard that it's genuinely pathetic.
Literally only /sthg/ tards are defending this mess because they were salty that Sonic's autistic friends got sidelined for one of the best crossover rosters in gaming. And then they didn't even get a good selection of Sonic friends.
Adam Robinson
I want Cream
Christopher Butler
All they had to do was keep adding tracks and characters for SASRT and the fan base would have been happy. It's the first game where I was legitimately disappointed in the lack of DLC. What the fuck was sumo thinking?
Asher Richardson
Mighty the Armadillo, but he's segregated.
Sebastian Hernandez
>Yeah, that's it, punk! I've been DREAMING about pounding his sorry blue butt! What did he mean by this?
>"The reason we [dropped non-Sonic universe characters]," explains Sumo Digital's studio design director, Derek Littlewood, "was so we could dive into the Sonic universe in more depth, and tell a canon Sonic universe story, with our team adventure mode. That was very important for us.
Storyfags ruin another game. Godfuckingdamnit.
Jackson Wright
Is weird because at first it would seem Espio is the most popular of the three, specially considering Espio got a place in games like Sonic Fighters or Sonic Rivals 2 but in the end Vector ended up being the most popular one of them.
Parker Phillips
I hope this gets one dlc character pewdiepie
Hunter Howard
>believing any of that It was a Sega/Sonic Team mandate. Plain and simple.
Camden Nelson
>canon Sonic universe
The one that changes every fucking game and can't even agree on if there's humans or not? That canon Sonic universe?
Anthony Mitchell
is he fucking retarded?
Luke Edwards
Wow that's officially the stupidest thing I've heard about today, I honestly didn't think the sonic team could really be that dumb.
Ian Morales
>Want to make a story mode >It's lazy shit with static portraits and terrible dialogue by Pontaff Not even autistic storyfags will like this
Ryan Parker
Yet he still went from the most used and typical characters from the Sonic franchise literally the only two weird additions are the Chaos and Zavok and the last one is not a very good addition over other characters.
This game screams of low budget, compared to MK8 and CTR it really lacks content and the roster is horseshit they should have went for at least 20-25 characters if they were reusing so many stuff from Transformed.
Justin Young
Think of how cool it could be if it included all sega franchise. The team mechanics means they could have done some cool shit with the groupings ala project cross zone.
Imagine shit like alex kidd, ristar, and segata sanshiro on a team getting salty about being ex-mascots.
Gabriel Garcia
Do people even like Cream that much? I know she was playable in advance but I have never really cared about her beyond her having a Chao.
Jackson Martinez
It's not really that dumb as far as the main games are concerned. Cream's entire character is just "girl".
But for fanservice spinoffs like this? Yeah it's retarded.
Hudson Sanders
Honestly, we should have seen this coming after Sumo basically abandoned Transformed.
Dominic Flores
She's like the minor character from any sort of fandom that's get's popular with the games fans and such.
Julian Walker
"""Leaks""" say they were the last 3 people without a team so they just kinda got thrown together. In-universe, I mean.
Ethan Reyes
Yes He's a pretty good game designer but has no business being in charge and only is because of seniority
Matthew Young
I felt the same. That's just SEGA though. Dumb decisions are second nature to them. They really should have done what CTR is doing desu. Doesn't even need to be a remake, just a port. Would have been less work and we would have gotten a better game. >Transformed roster + the characters from Sega all stars that didn't make it to the original Transformed >all tracks from both games >music selection returns with added tracks >choice of announcer >60fps >the 12 tracks made for TSR could be dlc for the port but for 6 or 7 of them add in a boat or plane section. But no, sonic only racer with less tracks and it doesn't even take advantage of how many characters are in the series. Still buying it though cos I adore how Sumo racing games feel. The turning and drifting and weight of vehicles is perfection
>Make riders and Zero Gravity >both have gimmicks that are easy to ignore at worst >Free Riders is literal Kinect trash >no one liked it >ax the series >will likely never approach Riders again even if TSR super flops Life is pain and suffering.
I ain't touching this until all the Rogues are present.
Jose Foster
The mobile game is basically the spiritual successor to Sonic Rivals and isn't a watered down Transformed like TSR
Hudson Morgan
honestly I don't give a shit about Cream I just wanted to bitch about Sonic Team continuing to be retarded
Mason Taylor
Well if you’re saying it’s worth playing then I guess I’ll check it out, mostly for Cream
Bentley Thompson
I play it only because Wave's in it. Somehow got her immediately after starting.
Camden Cook
>What the fuck was sumo thinking? Yes, because it was most certainly their decision.
Brody Evans
>I just wanted to bitch about Sonic Team continuing to be retarded
Whoa another lackluster Sonic game? Color me surprised
Liam Peterson
Give me ONE good reason TSR might suck that has to do with actual gameplay? most of the bitching about this game is usually just people mad that it's not a multi crossover anymore.
Juan Gonzalez
There's no Battle Race.
Frankly I'm still excited for it.
Nathaniel Myers
Your post highlights the problem people have. The gameplay is great, we all agree. Sumo is experienced with this stuff. Having such good feeling driving exaggerates how lazy everything else about the game is.
Dominic Robinson
Are there higher speed tiers? All the footage I've seen looks way too slow to be as fun as Sonic and All-Trans
I went from completely forgetting this game was coming out, to actual optimism. Is it that Im starved for Sonic content, or that the game looks kinda fun?
I'm not too fond of the idea of having to be put on a team with randos in a racing game. Unless something changed.
John Rivera
You're just starved for Sonic content.
Ian Powell
Yes they confirmed this like a fucking year ago Speed is tied to which difficulty you pick just like Transformed
Xavier King
I'm pretty indifferent to the roster because that's not really why I play a racing game, but all the new tracks look great. There's more returning tracks than I'd like, but it was probably a case of Sega not giving them enough time to add more content. If the game gets DLC the problem is solved in my opinion.
Have you watched the recent footage? They haven't really gone over what the differences are with the difficulty modes, but normal looked plenty fast. I kinda get the feeling that they sped the game up to about what Expert was in ASRT and the difficulty only changes the AI.
They announced solo races forever ago.
Christopher Jenkins
It has been established since Sonic X that there are 2 worlds, one with humans and another with the anthros.
Yeah, I know Sonic X is not canon to the games but it's the first to introduce the idea of 2 worlds which the games later borrowed.
Henry Green
The game looks good don't let the posts in here dissaude you they're just mad it's not got a roster like All Stars Transformed.
Hunter Bell
this doesn't do my penis enough justice
Michael Robinson
Ice cap can’t happen because of the jetzones band thing/icecap being a unreleased track
Sebastian Allen
The dude who wrote the song put it in Sonic 3 himself, it's not unreleased.
Jackson Ramirez
They could just use the music from Sonic Adventure's Ice Cap. Preferably the snowboard section.
Nathaniel Edwards
I'm disappointed they nerfed team ultimate's duration, so now the team ultimate jingle gets cut off midway when team ultimate ends.
because they can reference the genesis games all they want, but only die hard fans actually play them
Landon Rogers
why are there so few characters in this game? Did they not had time to come up with a moveset for more characters?
Zachary Davis
In 06, it was silver blaze and amy but amy is on a different team, and they want to keep vector around while excluding charmy Im fine with this
Daniel Wood
Ohh we can't do X because >insert bullshit reason Getting tired of this shit from Sega, like when they were asked about Amy in mania plus it was >o-oh we would've liked to do that but muh budget and time It's a fucking 2D pixel game, with 1 (one) low polly 3D model, how much time/money do you need to programme that? Lazy fucks honestly.
David Wright
>Why did Sega think Sega never thinks. No mater how much they get bashed in the head by their fans and critics. They just keep coming back and make the same mistakes over again.
Levi Gray
Sonic Forces Speed Battle recently added a special version of Cream as a playable character, so fuck that bullshit lie of an "excuse" tbqh.
Kayden Rogers
Why is Vector with Sliver and Blaze?
Jason Anderson
>they want to keep vector around while excluding charmy It not fair. Espio didn't deserve this.
For what reason is Cream sealed, but Vector or Big are not? Both are literal whos whose only role were as filler characters with poorly recieved segments.
Zachary Nguyen
>Vector Leader of the Chaotix and seniority due to the scrapped Sonic band thing >Big The funny Sonic Twitter meme man
Blake Garcia
She's not sealed, there's no evidence or interview that says she is.
Very recently she got a new outfit in the mobile game Sonic Forces Speed Battle, and she's making her debut in the latest issue of IDW Sonic soon.
Aaron Baker
>being meme man on twitter literally gives bad characters credit enough to be in games If they're going to meme at least make Duke Nukem jokes. Big is still voiced by Duke Nukem, right?
I just hope Sonic Team Racing at least follows the trend of the sonic racing games and have a shitton of unlockable chwho am I fucking kidding, it's gonna be all DLC. Why include unlockable stuff when people can pay extra for it. God fuckign damn it, I hate this timeline.
Jordan Jenkins
I don't even think they'll even bother with dlc
Lincoln Smith
they will because this game will be bashed for the shit roster it got.
Camden Morales
Do you really not see the gachashit potential. They can add characters you can roll on the gacha shit and also sell the currency for the slot machine.
Connor Baker
Big is still voiced by his old 4Kids voice actor in Lego Dimensions which was his most recent appearance.
Benjamin Bennett
I’ve heard that cause forces is dogshit Sega added infinite to the list of forbidden characters alongside mephlies and black doom. Meaning he won’t show up in main games or spin offs or the idw comic.
Ayden Walker
It's never been shown in the games there are two worlds though, there's just either humans or there aren't, and then there's some arbitrary point where Sonic changes from "classic" to "modern" and apparently loses his memories.
Asher Long
>No DLC planned did they really openly admitted that this fucking game with only 15 fucking characters in it has no upcoming DLC?
Why do people care about the roster size in a racing game? It could just be Amy and Rouge and I'd still buy it. It's better than having dozens of literal whos like in Crash.
Luis Bennett
you can't just use /sthg/ as your scapegoat for everything, Yea Forums
Because he's surprisingly villainous and calculating, despite how he looks.
Jaxson Howard
I wanted Wave the Swallow
Aiden Sullivan
>Heck, I actually would have preferred it if they'd reuse more tracks I... Don't. I understand what you mean but we really gotta move away from recycling if Sonic is to have a better future. We need a fully original 3D game, a fully original classic game, anything. TSR doing less recycling is honestly a good sign and I don't want it to get worse again.
This but unironically, I love car NiGHTS, she's cute.
Austin Gray
How could they reuse even more tracks? They recycled almost everything they could. Galactic Parade and Sky Sanctuary wouldn't work due to how much transformation is in them.
Easton Cook
>Does anyone else feel like 21 is a small number in this day and age? Right now I don't feel like it, but maybe after playing the game I'll think it wasn't enough.
Jack Wilson
>Chaotix can't be together so they just shove Vector with Blaze and Silver
Hudson Ward
why does sonic team even seal characters to begin with? continuity was thrown out the window long ago so who fucking cares?
>Think of characters like Mighty and Ray before Sonic Mania Plus. They're basically characters that are never used again in the games. Which stinks since originally mighty/ray might've never been sealed, since originally they were supposed to be in heroes in a team of Mighty/Ray/Metal Sonic
Blake Johnson
That would have been cool
Carter Carter
The reason why the game has only 15 characters is because of the kart customization. It would take a lot of work to add more characters, not just a model change and voice lines.
Jacob Morris
It was absolutely fucked up that the consoles never got dlc despite the poll whereas PC got DLC out the ass forever, including other Sega IP.
Justin Gutierrez
How deep is the customization compared to Mario Kart 8?
Anthony Butler
He was hot in the early 2000s when his body was bright yellow and he wore a jean jacket.
Jack James
Substantially deeper. In Mario kart you pick body and wheels, and the wheels generally are pretty similar. In sonic racing you have like 8 fronts and 8 backs to choose from for your car and many different paint jobs. You can also add decals.
Angel Cooper
Different parts give different stats, but you can choose your car's colors and horn and give it decals
I don't get why people don't like Zavok I thought he was a nice change of pace.
Landon Thompson
I think they're aiming for a general audience s they tried to pick characters people would like even if they never played sonic, and to do so while appealing to different demographics. You have cute characters, cool characters, monsters, a good number of girls and even a robot.
Matthew Rivera
I've always loved Vector.
I kind of wish his slight redesign from Boom was kept.
William Gonzalez
I love all the sad attempts by lizuka to fix what's wrong with Sonic (Like blaming the comics even though they fixed themselves eventually) but the guy hasn't once looked in a mirror.
Mason Anderson
When the fuck is Sega gonna disband these people?
Jonathan Foster
Japan's obsession with a lot of shitty aspects of their culture is essentially holding them back.
Jordan Peterson
based taste
Adrian Flores
ESPECIALLY Sega.
Ayden Ward
How about doing polls to the fans instead of arbitrarily deciding what characters should be put inside the cuck cage forever?
These fucking cunts think they can keep cream forever hidden from us uh?
>moveset They're in cars. I'm guessing SEGA got ear of the criticism that Sonic has too many friends but got the context way, way wrong
Michael Wright
He really didn't. In fact, he was planned for the first All Stars Racing game, along with 4 others who made it into this. Personally if there's Mirrored tracks I can live with this, while it isn't technically 42 original stages, it is 21 extra stages to master.
Yep, especially since they would need to give Vanilla a voice (but they'll likely just use Colleen Villard, Laura Bailey, or Rouge's VA), character model, and unique animations. Team Babylon is a given of course, Team Advance is a pipe dream, and Team Chaotix getting in with some character to be the Power type, whether it be Mighty or Heavy the Robot, would be great.
Daniel Gray
Not sure how I feel about about the team aspect of this. I'm use to just playing for myself. Also some of the voices are so bad (see: Knuckles).
Team mechanics are optional outside of the Story mode.
Hunter Reyes
>Yep, especially since they would need to give Vanilla a voice (but they'll likely just use Colleen Villard, Laura Bailey, or Rouge's VA), character model, and unique animations
And maybe a personality.
Jayden Martin
Cream was one of the only good post-genesis characters. I can't believe Silver made it in over her.
Noah Clark
I figure they can do that with the animations. One of my favorite things about the Sumo racing games is the little animations characters do while you play that give them all a personality. So I hope they could do the same for Vanilla, provided she would even be considered. If they really don't do DLC for this game or do much DLC, I'll be pretty disappointed, because the amount of potential they have for it is astounding.
I have a feeling she was going to be in, but Derek Littlewood said that SEGA pushed for the Chao to be in the game. He said that they were going to be involved in the item transfer process, but SEGA wanted them as a playable racer. When he said they don't speak English, they mentioned Omochao's existence, and here we are.
Putting the bad guy from Sonic Battle and not Emerl? They wouldn't do that.
Also Sonic Battle is probably just as sealed as the dark brotherhood for sega
David Williams
Well I love the Chao, they're the best surprise character to me, and SEGA wanting them in heavily implies Chao will return soon, no? Some kind of Chao raising full game would be very cool.
Jose Thompson
lol they look so bad in that kart. I don't see why Sega would take issue with Cream though, she'd presumably still have Cheese with her who would serve as a playable Chao character.
Caleb Collins
who is even driving
Brody Thompson
Its a budget game through and through. Its real strengths will have to be in the new tracks, controls/drifting, music, and single player content. Its 40 for a reason but it better really fucking fun because it feels empty
Carter Miller
In that case I'll fix that, I actually haven't played the GBA Sonic games yet, so I get the two of them confused. It's less of them taking issue with Cream and more them hearing that people want Chao to return while also limiting the roster to 15. It's why they have a TSR shirt and they took full advantage of them being in this game by having Chao music play. All of them.
Zachary Garcia
That looks fucking awful. Are they t-posing?
They're never going to bring Chao Garden back. They just put the Chao in to ensure more sales from Adventurefags.
Levi Turner
its devoloped by sumo digital and they made the two previous sonic racing games, and sanic team raving uses same engine so its gonna be good
Tyler Robinson
Personally I would have liked a Deadly Three team. Zavok as Power, Zazz as Speed, and Zor as Technique.
The roster limit seems arbitrary. Karts already have presets to one of three (speed/technique/power) so they don't need to individually finetune new racers. They just need models, a couple of fairly straightforward animations and some voicework. Have they already firmly said there'll never be DLC, or was it just a PR guy explaining it as a complete game from day one to get more sales?
Nicholas Thomas
I'm guessing they're sitting down. But the character models in these games have never been that great really
Jayden Thomas
>zavok >but these lads aren't in yeah, I'm thinking it's trash
Why would they be in when it's not a crossover kart game?
Noah Diaz
I myself haven't heard the "no DLC planned" thing, but holy shit would that be such a missed opportunity. I myself woud love to have a bunch of extra stages and a few extra teams. Personally if they could round the stage count to 30 or 36 (double that if Mirror tracks are in this game), and get the roster to be up to 24, I would be satisfied. Just do it like MK8 and have it be an expansion that comes out later on with a lot of extra stages and characters to keep people invested in the game, and sell it for cheap. Maybe. I appreciate them being in. They even have Chao Racing music play as their Team Ultimate
Andrew Kelly
"no DLC" was in the most recent stream the official Sonic Youtube channel did.
Jaxson Torres
This is the official "Never gonna be in a main line game again or ever" list
Honey the cat Fang the sniper Bean the dynamite Bark the polar bear Mighty the armadillo Ray the flying squirrel Sticks the badger Marine the raccoon G-Merl Eggman nega Jet the hawk Storm the albatross Wave the swallow Infinite Mephiles Tikal Chaos Chocola Vanilla the rabbit Cream the rabbit
But hey, you get more Big the cat memes, Omochao, Zeti and Whisps, that's whaty ou wanted right? Oh and please remember, Shadow is now Vegeta he wants to fight strong guys, barely hangs out with Rouge and Omega, never worked for G.U.N, thinks friendhsip and team work is for fags and is constantly walking around with a stick up his ass, please ignore his characteriztion in generations and colors DS
by the way comic fans we heard you and we delivered, more Whisper and Tangle are on the way! aren't you happy? This is what you buy IDW for right? to see us shill our OCs in sad hopes Sega japan will like them enough to put them in mainline games! And soon your game characters will get oC shipping moments, get to fight discount sleet and dingo again and quote more lines and song lyrics for things they did decades ago! We also added more Whips so Inzuka-san will talk to us more
Oliver Nelson
>Unlock Nights >I wonder what kind of car is he driving >Turns out he IS the car that's so in character, I loved it.
Blake Nguyen
They didn't even add NiGHTS. A character that's been hinted as being part of the Sonic canon so they're not even 3rd-party. If they add DLC, it better be NiGHTS, Ristar and Flicky.
Adrian Smith
Why would they do DLC when they can just make a sequel? Transformed came out 2 years after all stars. I'm sure they'll do the same thing here. Racing games are extremely iterative. You add 12 new tracks, 5-6 new racers and a new mechanic and you have a sequel.
Gabriel Morales
And to follow up on this here's the list of "No we didn't make these charcters stop hounding us before we get sued again"
Shade Commander IX Wendy Witchcart and the witchcarters Battle bird Kukku XX Battle bird armada Speedy
Brayden Myers
It was also very cool in the stream they showed >You can give the chaos the edgy shadow color schemes >you can change the finish and make everything glow We're gonna end up seeing some hideous cars online, gonna be glorious
Ryan Turner
Gemerl was an interesting design, and I like how he fused into Eggman's boss machines. I preferred him as a character to Metal Sonic.
Zachary Ramirez
Sega owns all those characters, they made the games they're in.
Damn, I must have missed that. But I also watched it while I was at work and I only go back to it to watch the new gameplay, so. I'm hoping they change their minds on that later, because if they just leave it with 21 tracks and 15 characters instead of actually expanding on it when the Sonic series has plenty of characters to choose from and several stages to make into race tracks, old and new, I'll be disappointed. Not to mention Sumo loves doing DLC. I at the very least want to have all of Team Chaotix and the original Team Rose be something you can make in this game. That's actually a good point. I would love to see a sequel improve on any shortcomings this game has if it doesn't get DLC.
Dylan Garcia
>more Whisper and Tangle are on the way! Haha... that's our IDW!
I'd be down for that, kinda like a 1.5 version commonly seen in hunting games like MH. I'll probably skip this entry altogether then, it doesn't have enough content to justify the price.
Lincoln Clark
I miss Shade alot and I will never forgive Ken Penders for taking her away from me nor will I forget sega for taking Honey away after she finally got to show up
Asher Adams
Archie did a good job with him, even if he only showed up for two arcs. I'm really hoping he'll be in the IDW comic as well, since he's alive and well with Cream and vanilla he's not off-limits like the dead characters are.
The shit with Big is bothering. It's like the state of Sonic Team in general where they inexplicably latch onto the worst part of the series. The PR guys have been trying to make Big meme status so fans will stop scratching their heads whenever the stupid shit shows up but Cream can't.
Also Shadow is a jerk in Boom but Vector is a detective (Which means that somebody has actually played the games. So I'm assuming Shadow is lizuka being retarded as usual.
>Bad guy from Sonic Battle Gemerl didn't appear in Sonic Battle. He appeared in Sonic Advance 3. Plus he was made out of Emerl's parts. He also turned good in the end and lived with Vanilla and Cream
Might be best to wait for a price drop down the line if they don't try doing a follow up. I finally picked up Transformed when it was $20, in fact. Mostly because I didn't have anything to play it on until I was able to get it.
That's because originally he wasn't gonna be in the game, his spot was gonna go to Mephiles til someone stepped in and remembered the glaring plothole that the guy doesn't exist to Sonic and co, they never met him thanks to the time rewind. His name is still on files and lines tho
Shadow and Chaos don't get boss fights. Classic Sonic wallops Chaos in a cutscene and Shadow takes out his Phantom Copy in a cutscene. Only Zavok and Metal Sonic get boss fights.
Jacob Jackson
advance 3 came out after battle retard
Christopher Thomas
This game's roster was literally an underhanded pitch. Sega only had to swing and everyone would have been happy, even if it meant that the Deadly Six were to be included. Instead they went for a bunt and they'll barely make it to first.
Zachary Watson
>no Zeena What's the fucking point?
Wyatt Rogers
>til someone stepped in and remembered the glaring plothole that the guy doesn't exist to Sonic and co, they never met him thanks to the time rewind Just say the Phantom Ruby screwed up time and space and made everyone remember him again. They brought back Crisis City in Generations.
Samuel Garcia
>thinking Zeena can do anything that isn't filing her nails
Austin Turner
Idk I see NiGHTS, Amigo and Billy Hatcher as a Team. You know? Team Sonic Team?
Why did they completely make her flat in the shorts? Her whole 'thing' is that she's a sexy bat with big tits
Mason Price
Yep. Ideally the roster could have hit 21-24 without much effort, maybe even more with just the Modern cast alone or even including some of the Classic cast, but nope, 15, I'm assuming because they heard so many people claim "Sonic has too many friends" and didn't understand that for a spinoff game, that shouldn't apply.
Christopher Richardson
That works.
Jaxson Morris
>Advance 3 came out after Battle retard. The hell did I say. Gmerl is made out of Emerl's parts after his death in Battle
jTheir reason for excluding them is because children didn't recognize them, which I somewhat get but so what? They were all niche games from a niche company what did they expect?
Blake Hill
What's wrong with Omega? They fucked him up in Sonic 2006 but he's awesome in everything else he's in.
Parker Phillips
It is, yes. And I could definitely see Chaos being a Power type for a DLC team. Plenty of people like Omega, and a bunch of people do enjoy Big. I was honestly kind of sad he wasn't in Transformed aside from a cameo. Sealed as in retired.
So any disclosure on what each Wisp does? Here's the list and what I've seen (I think)
White (Boost): Classic boost (Mushroom) Black (Bomb): Lobs forward an explosive that detonates on a timer/impact (Bob-omb) Blue (Cube): Leaves large cube obstacles (Banana peel) Crimson (Eagle): Homing shot to closest target (Red Shell) Cyan (Laser) Gray (Quake) Ivory (Lightning): Zaps all the other racers (Lightning bolt?) Jade (Ghost): Turns you invisible (Boo) Magenta (Rhythm) Orange (Rocket): Fires a non-homing rocket straight ahead that ricochets off walls (Green shell) Pink (Spikes): Spawns spikes from you, making you dangerous to touch Red (Burst): Leaves a trail of fire in your wake Violet (Void): Sucks in items and attacks (Super Horn) Yellow (Drill): Sends you rocketing forward and hurting anyone who touches you (Bullet Bill)
So unless there's any corrections, I don't know how Cyan, Gray or Magenta work
Asher Williams
I like Omega but I prefer his Older brother anyways
How does he open it with a gun and drink it without a mouth?
Jeremiah Green
The only thing that makes me happy is knowing that Eggman fixed the couch Sonic broke in lost world and immediately enslaved the Zeti again and that's why Zavok is on his team
Also comic eggman is all kinds of evil , remember how he kept the egg bosses loyal to him in archie, Starline has yet to even fathom the cruelty Eggman is capable of dude has absolutely no problem going for n immediate kill when its not sonic he's dealing with, he immediately tried to kill Doctor Light in the crossover
Dominic Ross
>Only Sonic characters >Not Sega All-Stars Instantly dropped
Luke Baker
DLC
Samuel Johnson
Cyan Laser shoots a laser ahead of you, basically the ice balls from Transformed. Gray Quake spawns a bunch of rocks ahead of you, acting like the Swarm from that game. Magenta Rhythm has musical notes block the screen for other players.
David Adams
If they aren't the very first characters added to the game as DLC, provided they do DLC, they'll be the last ones.
Benjamin Rogers
>That scene in Lost world where he punched through a wall of Ice and said as long as he can strangle a Zeti, his hands are fine.
They should have just made it Sega All Stars Racing 3 with the characters from that potential DLC character poll. People would have thrown money for a racing game with Kiryu, Bayonetta, Miku, Selvaria and Alis in it and wouldn't even have cared if they recycled assets or tracks. What a letdown.
Justin Diaz
Literally the only good moment in the entire game.
even with just sonic characters they aren't exactly pushing the envelope for sonic characters. Plus they're going with weird shit
>Vector is lumped with Blaze and Silver instead of being with Espio and Charmy >Eggman and Metal Sonic teamed with... Literally who Zavok >Amy and Big grouped with a Chao Trio instead of Cream
They could have easily done: >Vector + Espio + Charmy >Blaze + Silver + Marine(?) >Eggman + Metal Sonic + Egg Robo, or Infinite edge, or Chaos, who cares, Zavok is ass >Amy + Big + Cream >Chao + Hero Chao +Dark Chao
Jason Taylor
Team racing is an optional mode and you can race solo.
Benjamin Miller
>with the characters from that potential DLC character poll.
You know full well that poll basically didn't even exist because they were going to use Ryo anyways
Connor Foster
I really wanted to see a Zeti vs Eggman showdown sometime before the final boss. He makes a mech that's hand-powered so it can't be controlled by the Zeti and beats up on all six of them before focusing on Zavok while you face the other five at the same time as Sonic, and when they're beaten then they retreat to the final world and the bridge cutscene and boss rushes happen as normal.
Gavin Wright
Well yeah, when he's not being his ridiculous self Eggman is actually pretty terrifying to have as an enemy if you aren't Sonic or his friends.
See, at one point you visit the death egg and they mention an entire block of captured resistance members, some were implied to have been killed while the others were freed when Sonic himself was, he also held back on rounding up the resistance because he wanted them all to come and attack him at his stronghold so he could have Infinite kill them with that sun thing, and finally when Infinite is defeated Eggman casually uses his body as fuel for his robot and since that thing blew up along with the tower, Infinite himself most likely died in the explosion.
Thats the true danger of eggman he's cruel, he's evil and selfish and Eggman Nega is even worse than him, by all rights he would be an edgy villain if he wasn't so goddamn childishly immature and petty
Jaxon Gutierrez
I think everyone knew but wanted to believe
Brayden Flores
>Marine I think Sega is just ignoring everyone that debuted in a handheld game, even relatively recent ones like Gemeral, Captain Whiskers, and Marine.
Bentley Morales
>they only added him to the PC and Mobile versions
I am still mad.
Grayson Allen
Is it bad that I rather have Orbot and Cubot over Zavok? It's about time these two become playable in something
The minecraft faggot literally demanded his 9 year old subscribed spamvote him into the game. In all my online races i have seen him exactly twice, so good job, i guess?
Thomas Cooper
This would have been perfect, though I would add the Babylon Rogues and keep the Chao as a single racer, and had Tikal and Chaos be the teammates. They don't need to have every team be involved in the story of the game after all. That right there would have made 8 teams of 3, which is 24. Plenty of characters and team combinations to try out, plus customization, all for $40 would have been a damn steal. Then have there be a few extra teams if they really wanted there to be.
Asher Ramirez
What's that even mean? Sega still has the rights to her
Carter Parker
That's the weird thing, they could if they wanted, even Tikal and Chaos can leave the Master Emerald at will it doesn't have to break anymore
Josiah Carter
I'm not even sure why this scene exists. Eggman gets angry, does nothing for the whole game while Sonic kills the Deadly 6 without even a reason, then Eggman threatens to summon MORE despite his utter hatred of Zavok at this point.
But just one of the reasons why Lost World is a travesty.
Benjamin Thompson
Silver basically only gets used due to being tied to Blaze's backstory. He essentially is just getting grandfathered in due to her being popular.
Creator's pet, the people who made him can't accept they made a shit character and so keep trying to "make him work".
Has Team Babylon ever done anything that doesn't have to do with boards? The only thing I recall is Wave riding a bicycle in that Mario and Sonic game but that's it.
They see no reason in using her for a major project, but the real reason is, SEGA just keeps rotating the "main" characters in the Sonic series. There's enough recurring/major characters to make a solid roster for a spinoff game with little to no clones, but for one dumb reason or another, they always leave some of them out. At the very least I hope that if Tikal and Chaos got in they did an Angel Island themed zone based on some Adventure stages, but that's just a pipe dream.
Jayden Harris
comic eggman's more messed up than canon eggman. And don't even get started on Sonic boom eggman.
Brandon Lewis
They're still racers and it's not like they couldn't have just as much of a reason (just because) like Sonic driving
Nicholas Torres
Eh, fine by me, I like Silver in short burts, I want to set him with Marine and Blaze with Cream to see Blaze relaxing while the other two go out and cause havok for others
Jeremiah Ward
That's the thing, nothing post archie reboot and IDW eggman do isn't within reason to game eggman, the shit he put on those animals, the bomb full of that shit he was planning on unleashing? Game eggman would absolutely do that crap
Carter Allen
>Eggman and Zavok despise each other >ok let's put them on the same team
I'm not sure why if they REALLY wanted to use Zavok they could have made a Zeti team with Zavok, Zazz and Zlut
There's only a few notable and popular *FEMALE* characters though. There's a ton of male characters who fans like so rotating them makes sense, but when you only have a handful of recognizable female ones that people actually care about, you kind of need to stick to what you got.
Nicholas Gomez
Because Eggman enslaved Zavok and likely the other 5 again and while fucked that is the six weren't exactly nice people to begin with, having them stuck under eggman means the weirdos who like them can keep them ah shit, this kinda makes them the game version of the egg bosses
Hunter Cook
I would love it if we got the Babylon Rogues with an extra story mode chapter as DLC with a zone comprised of redone stages from Riders and new missions taking place on them. Damn, I need to stop setting my expectations high. Zavok is a placeholder for Team Eggman, who needed a Power type character who could talk. And apparently he has his own role in the story
Game eggman isn't as sinister/malevolent in his actions. He's less insane.
comic eggman will basically blow up the planet just to spite his enemies (See that thing with the robotosizer wave), but Game eggman draws the line at outright destroying the world since he wouldn't be able to rule it afterwards (see his personality in Adventure 2 with his reaction to his grandfather's plan to destroy the world for revenge making him have second thoughts about his own path in life at the end).
Comic eggman is more like eggman nega honestly.
Adam Bailey
After seeing Jet's dumbass try to use a hostage to challenge someone to a race I could see it, through Storm should be made to wear a dunce helmet he almost killed that girl
Christopher Kelly
Could've made Eggman Power type and Orbot/Cubot Technical
That's actually a good point. I myself only like Blaze in terms of female Sonic characters, and I like most of the cast that got into TSR, so I can't really complain that much. My only disappointment is that they didn't capitalize and just have a bunch more characters be in the base game.
>Zeena we got enough furfag bait in this game as is.
William Fisher
After seeing them mention how the Chao were like a team within a team, I honestly assumed that's what was going to go down. Not to mention Eggman's vehicles in the All Stars games were big wheelers compared to his new car. But I can cope with Zavok I guess, I'll just use everyone else.
marine also appeared in those anniversary comics, so did sticks, G-merl didn't. Sega really wants to forget his existance probably because they realized he's way more powerful than Omega because of his copy ability. and the back fire on dark brotherhood which expanded the lore about Emerl, which bugs me too because G-merl definitely should have been a party member there. I miss Shade too, she had a decent redemption story
Gmerl is going to appear in some IDW comuc tho. See
Lucas Richardson
Sonic boom as a cartoon is single handedly saving the sonic series popularity and getting young kids interested in him again.
Carson Harris
Someone put his face on this You know this is the stinger for the movie,right? This is after the credits where he's defeated in Sonic's world, that's Mushroom Hill, and they all think he's dead on earth. boring white dude bangs that boring black girl and that's it
Josiah Clark
You're just conjecturing there, you have no idea what the movie plot is going to be like. For all you know Robotnik is the main villain after going insane during the middle of the movie and that's him near the end.
Jack Campbell
Yes I do, the entire movie's plot was spoiled way back
Nathaniel Robinson
ALLEGEDLY Spoiled. Why the hell would sonic just say he's gotta save their planet if there's nothing threatening the planet? Robotnik's not doing anything malevolent except try to capture sonic, so there's gotta be an outside antagonist or threat of some kind based on that line
Carter Lee
blah blah blah eggman wants to capture sonic or his fur I guess because he contains INFINITE ENERGY to fuel his death beam or something
Julian Lopez
Honestly if I ever got the game, I'd just main team Chao.
hold the fuck on a second. they messed up their own reference. when shadow abuses chao in sa2 they turn into hero chao and get sad. chao alignment and the urge to cry meter are separate and independent values i understand the game better than the people representing the god damn franchise
In the game when the characters perform the “team ultimate” their theme song plays. Cream doesn’t have anything close to a theme song but Chao do. Vector already has the Chaotix theme song in the game so Charmy and Espio wouldn’t work.
John Cook
See that argument holds no water because the dev team keep circlejerking EVERY SONG THEY MAKE for this game, proving that they're willing to make music. That's no excuse when they can just make her one.
Christian Johnson
This is basically what I was thinking the case was, but here's some easy fixes: >Cream- Follow Me >Charmy and Espio- Team Chaotix, but with different instrumentations of the song to fit the character Then the Babylon Rogues could each have a different song from the Riders games, one could have Catch Me if You Can, one has Un-gravitify, and the last one gets Free. That's true, which is why I'm assuming it's also something to do with getting in touch with the voice actors to record new lines.
Brayden White
Zazz is the only one of the six I like
Noah Bell
So Vector has a theme song that mentions characters that aren't even in the game? Or are they just going to make a shitty remix without the cheesy lyrics?
Unless Amy’s theme is changed before release, she’s already taken follow me. The rogues should only use hoverboards too.
Daniel Thomas
>they use hovercars
Alexander Phillips
Strange, I would have figured they would use My Sweet Passion like the All Stars Racing games did. Makes me wonder why hers was changed but Sonic's still got Reach for the Stars when It Doesn't Matter or Endless Possibility are better fits. If the Rogues didn't drive regular cars and instead had hover cars, this could justify them possibly having less customization parts since they're extra characters, and that would work really well.
Carson Cox
Shadow's a Hero character nowadays.
Ayden Wilson
The only reason anyone cared about the last game was because of the fanservice for old Sega franchises. They did away with that, so why should anyone care about this shit?
Liam Thomas
>people still care about sonic can't understand this, it has to be furries
So they can sell an Espio/Charmy/Mighty Chaotix DLC team.
Joshua Davis
I can see Rogues being added with hovercars and hover "wheels" being added customization parts.
Kind of like how in Riders, you unlocked Shadow and Hoverskates (with Darkness by default), but Shadow didn't HAVE to use Hoverskates, though it was his default.
Julian Walker
There's a whole lot of Sonic fanservice, roster aside. References to all of Sonic's history in the form of the stages/segments of stages and music tracks, and even other elements, like the checkpoint missions they had in the All Stars Racing games now have the checkpoint lamp posts in them instead of green gates to drive through.
I wouldn't mind that. Maybe add in a handful of tracks inspired by Riders as well, plus extra missions, and sell them with the tracks for $5 or so. But I have my doubts that would happen, which is a shame, because them having a Sonic racer and leaving it to just fade away when they could keep supporting it post launch and just have this one game hold fans over until the next main game would be a true missed opportunity. The leader took leadership of another team.
Throw Zavok in there cause I never want to see his Gossamer-turned retarded looking design ever again. Who even forces that shitty villain? Chaos is a better villain. Shit, INFINITE is a better fucking villain than Zeti trash.
Zachary Ross
TROOOO FARRRUUUU
Daniel Cox
What pisses me off the most is that the fanbase could've asked anything about the series. A new game, if there was going to be DLC, and instead they asked how Sonic would meet the Joker.
I'll never forget that. Even I would have at least asked if they were going to do DLC, or some ports of games like Unleashed, Colors, Generations, fucking anything but that.
Hunter Nguyen
You really have to think twice about this. I like the BRs. Anyone who played riders likes them.
But if they are brought back, they will have their NEW voices. They SOUND SO FUCKING BAD. Go watch some free riders cutscenes and youll see. Im really fucking tired of these 2010 voice actors. We need to go back to the 6th or 7th gen ones
You'd just get an answer like "we have nothing to announce" or "we currently have no plans"
Grayson Gutierrez
Well, Storm and Wave are easy to contact, as Storm is voiced by Travis who also voices Knuckles and Zavok, and while Kate Higgins is Pauline in Mario now, Colleen Villard is basically spot on as Tails and could probably succeed her as Wave too. Jet however, does sound fucking awful. Thank God you can turn off voice clips in TSR.
Asher Wilson
>I don't think it's what got people to try it in the first place It was made by Sumo Digital, who did a lot of port work for Outrun 2, my favorite arcade racer of all time, and I wanted to see if they learned anything during their time working on that series and they did.
