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playtesting is a nightmare.

This. It's like advocating for humane working conditions for workers in third world shitholes. Yeah their lives may improve, but then I'd have to pay more for chocolate or tech goods so fuck that.

Friendly reminder that this "secure working conditions" and "unionization" bullshit is being pushed by SJWs and diversity hirees who are scared shitless of the upcoming culling wave similar to the one that happened in mass media.
Do NOT fall for their tricks.

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What about waiters and chefs?
You're already paying more through compulsory tipping

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KYS COMMIE

youtube.com/watch?v=kAFLfx3mvIg

I never tip

This too, even if game devs are payed well that still won't stop them from inserting shit into their games. P2P DLC, Gacha, and lootbox have practically become the norm at this point.

>devs hate their consumers and shit on them whenever they get the chance
>beg them for support anyway
Fuck off cucks you get no support from me

Maybe I'd care more about the plight of game devs if they'd stop calling me entitled for not liking their half-assed products and demanding I make it up to them by spending more money.

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>gamers are blockheads
good grief

LIGHTWEIGHT BABY

How can you hate people who are the sole responsible for bringing you your main hobby?
If they stopped existing you'd lose a big chunk of your life.

Did the retard that did the comic not realise that the difference here is that the first mentioned issues affect players directly. The other one is up to game devs. It's not the job of consumers fix the issues of workers. Workers needs to fix their own issues.

Maybe I'd give a shit about game devs if they didn't keep calling me a bigot when I criticize their products and practices.

Also unionization won't solve anything. It will only hurt smaller studios and bigger publishers will just hire foreign studios.

Because the working class movement succeeding benefits everyone. If they get more benefits, everyone does.

Pay the bare minimum that allows you to receive good food/service? The point of the calculus is trying to maximize your pleasure/gain. It would be rational to want better conditions for devs if you can prove they'll make more/better games because of it

Businesses do what is sustainable first and foremost. Among the devs, ton of them do it to gather experience for their own personnal project later on.
Big companies are a necessary evil for smaller ones to thrive.

See

They do not hate you. They hate you being close-minded.

Why should anyone give a shit about game developers? I care about the product, not the people making the product.

>my job may be hard, but at least i'm not a game developer

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Amazing how you failed to answer his question completely.

What's up with the massive generalizations against game developers? Did something happen in the last year or so? I don't come on Yea Forums that much but I'm going to assume it'll be something retarded, right?

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I agree.
Let's get communist politics, entitled lazy retards, and butthurt incompetent union bosses.
They're sure to put a huge dent in AAA's bottom line, and make SJW indie games even less appealing to the general public.
One more nail in the coffin of shit vidya.

Unless they can prove that the quality of games will go up with unions and it won't raise costs on consumers, I don't support it.

The last several years have shown a huge increase in game developers directly blaming consumers for any of their problems, and in a sense demanding their base buy products they release regardless of quality. Blizzard in particular is guilty of this in almost all of its branches, WoW and Diablo in particular experiencing unprecedented PR disasters because the dev teams, when confronted on issues, defended themselves by insisting it was the consumers' fault.

It's Twitter and blog articles.

I just want to play video games

>entitled lazy retards, and butthurt incompetent union bosses.
This happens every time. My dad only joined a pilot's union because if he didn't union members would slash his car's tires, steal his uniform, and generally bully non-union members until they joined. Even then, unions did jack shit to protect him and younger pilots when they did furloughs based off seniority after 9/11. They wouldn't accept a pay cut to keep everyone on board, and they would not force out old farts who were going to retire in a few years anyways. Also giving out your union dues to politicians you didn't even vote for. Fuck unions they're just as scummy and corrupt as the corporations they claim to fight.

naturally the good devs aren't visible enough to be called faggots but loud nudevs are entitled californian bitches and those are the ones shilling for socialism to begin with, they deserve no empathy

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Devs and journalists decided they hated us a while ago

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why should i give a shit if game developers work 60+ hours a week? you dont see me protesting against the asians that made my shoes for less than what they make

This whole stupid fucking thing is being spearheaded by Jim Sterling who's a fat communist retard who literally does not understand the concept of a global market and thinks CEO's do nothing but generate money for themselves.

FYI a CEO is widely considered to be the most stressful job that you could possibly get. You are literally responsible for thousands of employees under you while also trying to cater to the stock market and it's share holders who are single handedly keeping your business from collapsing due to the sheer weight and manpower you have to pay for. You are literally always on call. CEO's on average work in the building upwards to 85 hours a week and technically their job doesn't stop there. If you're a CEO of a corporation like Nintendo or Sony and it's 3:30AM in the morning and you have to go to work at 6:30AM it doesn't fucking matter how tire you are, if you get a call you fucking answer it because that call may literally decide whether or not an entire portion of your business may collapse over the course of a day. You are constantly consluting people across the globe, you are constantly under the pressure of law to make sure you're not blatantly breaking one of the many absolutely dumbass and retarded, convoluted international laws you could be. On top of it all if you're in a board of CEOs and one of them decides to not do their job properly for a few days than that can literally result in a net profit loss of +40% of your profits due to pure bad publicity because of the internet.

There's a reason why CEO's usually retire at the age of 55 and never work again, it's not because they're just set for life, it's usually because their doctors are literally telling them they are getting to the point in age where that constant stress is going to literally kill them. Oh and god fucking help you if you get sick because even the common cold has the ability to put you in the hospital in that environment.

Meanwhile Jim Sterling has to record a few vids

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>raise costs on consumers
As opposed to what we already have happening? 10 years ago when you paid full price for a game you got the full experience. Now, you pay full price for a sliver of the experience with everything else locked behind paywalls.

This is why the 2nd Amendment exists.

Where is your compassion for your fellow man?

What planet do you live on where any of this is true

Have you seen Kotick? He barely does anything. Jack Dorsey spends most of his time away at his insane uv lamp starvation camp. You MASSIVELY underestimate what automation and a few personal secretaries can do to the workload of a C class.

Nope. They pay other people to "play" it. They're knee deep in code, trying desperately to hit their deadlines.

t. guy who was paid to play it for them

One thing I love about this state is if you see someone trying to damage your car intentionally, you can shoot them.

those AAA slaves are why games went from a goldmine in the late 90's to an ocean of shit with nazis ordering you to drink it in the 2010's. Them becoming homless or dying at workd doesn't impact me in the slightest.

I wouldn't come to Bong either m8 it's a shitshow here.

>work for chinese company
>get mad that you are treated like a chinese sweatshop worker

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All it takes is one of those secretaries to just forget to do their job or go home sick for some reason and suddenly the whole system becomes skewed and you have to figure out how to fix it.

Yes, yes, I know your liberal faggot media has brainwashed you thoroughly into believing that automation completely takes the control out of the CEO's hands even though that makes no logistical sense but how about you actually talk to some of the people related to CEO's like me who's father was a Secretary for Microsoft back in the 2000's and ask me about what happened when Vista was released and it was a peice of shit that got blasted on the internet and TV alike and resulted in one of the CEO's having a mental breakdown and almost committing suicide in the committee room because he hadn't gone to sleep for over 5 days.

Other shit too like how my father had to take a few days off after getting the flute and his boss was literally on his hands and knees begging for him to come into work a mere day earlier than he was recommended to because his boss was also sick and was literally coughing and barfing up blood while trying to talk to stock holders in Europe about the advertising campaign for Win7 in Europe.

This shit isn't uncommon. CEO's and direct relatives of CEO's are known to have severe illnesses and mental disorders that develop during their time in the position.

Yea sure, "They make a lot of money so they can afford it hurr durr!" but the underlying problem is that if you fail to do your job for whatever the reason and your business collapses because of it not only does your entire career life end with no hope of ever moving back up to that position you also have to deal with the guilt and ridicule of every employee who was working for you being upset at you over the fact they lost their jobs.

Yes, there are genuine psychopaths in this area of business but the media does a good fucking job acting and painting it like that's the norm and not the exception.

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This isn't america though? I never tipped in my life.

Doesn't matter where, tips or no both jobs get fucked over

>game devs
>working class

All of this is a moot point because we know for a fact Bobby Kotick is one of the aforementioned psychopaths.

these lefty faggots spent years antagonizing their audience and now they expect us to back them?
how about they go die?

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I don't play AAAshit, so not really.

maybe if developers stopped with the crummy business practices i'd be more sympathetic

WHY WON'T ANYONE LISTEN TO ME

kek, I love seeing people realize just how powerless their words are if no one chooses to listen to them.

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Fuck everyone but me and mine.
I ain't doing shit for the rest of this clown world.

Yea, no, this only applies to CEOs for small businesses.
Any CEO working at a company that employs more than 2000 people has to deal with little to none of this, they have someone else who deals with this.

This.

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retarded Nazis are just pissy because they're finally getting called out

Consumers aren't relevant to unionization. If workers want to unionize, all they have to do is hold a vote and that's that.

I don't understand why this is always so hard for people to figure out.

LIGHTWEIGHT
BABY

>B-BUT MY ANECDOTES!!

Why can't conservatives argue properly? Everything you believe is from anecdotes.

Devs don't set the pricing.

I would take being a CEO than being a slave programmer that works 100h weeks for 1/5000 pay.
There is also a reason why most progs leave after 35 from industry

Damn. You dont think it be like it is, but it do.

I'm not a nazi (or even white for that matter) and I agree with them 100%.
Fuck game devs, they don't have my interests in mind as a consumer, so why would I give a fuck about them?

>implying it's only conservatives who rely on anecdotes
Pot, meet kettle.

I wouldn't mind them unionizing desu, being in game dev sounds like a fucking nightmare and you have tons of no talent businesscucks trying to wring out every cent of profit by abusing developers love of gaming

Also unionizing would mean that Randy pitchford would probably lose gearbox so I'm down

If Randy lost Gearbox because of unionization, I would laugh until my voice breaks.

Game developers are the most oppressed minority

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Easy replacements coming from abroad will instantly undercut you and strike-break.
Why lefties support mass and illegal immigration while also preaching WORKERS UNITE? Well, you can see they are either stupid or malicious.

>go into an industry built on a profession that's famous for it's combination of mind-numbing tediousness mixed with hellish crunch time
>complain that it has this
What the hell are they expecting? Non-stop fun and beanbag chair offices?

I want to have this attitude but I keep remembering all the shit society has done for me (subsidized housing, food stamps, public education, etc). It feels awful to just take, never giving anything back

game devs are the most disposable work force because every highschool grad wants to work in videogames.

Subsidized housing is shit, food stamps only cover shit food, and public education is fucking dogshit, why would anyone EVER list fucking public education as any kind of positive?

This.
We recently had some people on the tech side of my telecommunications employer whining about the hours they were working, not even a month later their jobs were shipped to India.

They were expecting to make the next hit game that takes the world by storm. What they got is implementing meme dances for zoomers.

>game devs: Fuck gamers
>also game devs: Gamers, help!

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Yeah I'm not going to complain about something that doesn't affect me.

Honestly some of the section 8 housing I've seen is nicer than the places I've lived

Based and Peanutspilled

I'll be all for subsidized housing when they start building it only in the neighborhoods that vote for it, and not a second sooner.

>game devs: Gamers, help!
not really, tho.

the stories get into the press because of a push for unionisation. which they should. as should everyone in the film/tv vfx industry. game devs have it easy compared to those guys.

One of my college buddies was actually really pissed off that he was just barely out of the bracket where he could take Section 8 housing, and the apartment he could afford with his salary was objectively worse than said housing, while still costing more.

Look at it from the point of view of someone who was born in a country where toilet paper goes into a separate bin

Bleeding hearts are the biggest NIMBY's on the planet, only beaten by the tards who complain about noise when they move next to an airport.

Yep, I think if every vote was done on a neighborhood/city level you would NEVER see any of these fucktards voting to bring in more Somalis or Mexicans.
It's all fine and dandy until suburban retards and NIMBYs start having to deal with the consequences of their voting habits instead of passing them off to those of us in the city.

EINS

>wtf I'm being forced to sit on my ass all day literally slavery
The absolute audacity of these people holy shit

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Yes, imagine what a tragedy would be if FIFA,call of duty, fortnite, assassin's Creed and the last of us stopped being a thing

Maybe if game developers didnt act like complete assholes to the people they were providing a service to they wouldnt be hated by most people that play games.

Not even slightly related to what he said.

there's too many of them though,hence why they're cheap

Devs are responsible for the quality of their games and their interactions with the consumer. People have already said it in this thread, a growing number of devs have been pushing out shit games and demanding consumers praise them for it. The mounting sense of superiority and entitlement from devs and their key representatives has been at an all time high, and even Joe Normie is getting sick of it.

you've never interacted with the vast majority of people who work on games. you haven't even interacted or ever heard from a small percentage of people who worked on a big production.

the people you hate are the idiots on social media who pretend like they're rockstars (because people like yourself keep giving them attention).

the guy who made 50 props for the newest uncharted game just wants to get paid.

Why the fuck would I care about the developers? Higher wages for them is not going to magically make better games appear. It's just going to lead to more expensive coffee makers in dev studios

MORE SECURE WORKING CONDITIONS

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why aren't they working class? they are selling their labor to obtain a wage in order to pay for the necessities of life. that is the definition of working class. every laborer falls under this definition.

based and sonnepilled

they aren't because (people I don't like) don't deserve to be part of (group I sympathize with)

>the people you hate are the idiots on social media who pretend like they're rockstars
You're right, we hate them.
The others we just don't give a fuck about.

devs: those fucking incel gamers are the source of all that is wrong with the industry
also devs: help us, gamers

if he didn't say "game difficulty" the comic would be perfect.

>fine, you don't like it, don't buy it - it's not for you
>AH HELP PLS BUY MY GAME

they love generalizing consumers so why should we not do the same with devs?
they didnt step in to tell those twitter faggots to shut the fuck up.

Why should I fight for someone else's wage?
How does that benefit me?

ah yes, Battlefield V. magnificent

>Yea Forums is one person

>KOTICK DOESN'T DO ANYTHING AND HE'S A PSYCHOPATH
>kotick is an outlier, automation doesn't help as much as you think it does, leading something is still intensely stressful
>okay but you acknowledged kotick is bad so i can dismiss everything you said that wasn't related to him

Friendly reminder that publishers are the public enemy of vidya and are the reason why your anticipated games end up watered down and filled with microtransactions and other anti-consumer practices that progressively became the norm through collusion.

Fifth and Sixth gen were objectively the golden years of the industry for consumers. No overpriced cartridges/arcade upgrades providing about an hour of content at best and certainly none of the shit going on today like on-disk DLC. You got the whole package, on top of free online play going up to the 7th gen.

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galaxy brain is knowing that shareholders who pursue profit above all else are the problem. not that ceos dont have a part to play in the investors' goal here, just that they are simply "doing their job" like everyone else.

devs were and are complicit. there's more cases of people confirmed to actually be doing the work on games shitting on consumers directly than cases of publishers doing so.
why should I tear down one to save another? both can starve

>they didnt step in to tell those twitter faggots to shut the fuck up.
This.
Very few devs ever said shit when it came to these faggots shitting on consumers aside from a few indie devs, many of whom I do genuinely appreciate.

>he never was on the "move all of the company servers 10 floors up, no elevators allowed" shift
Fucking NEETs think they know anything about game dev i swear to god.

>a growing number
What a disingenuous figure. If you don't care about other peoples' working conditions, fine. Most people don't. But saying "hurf durf dah vidja games is wurs" is such a cop out. Trying to feel like a caring person while also not supporting a cause.

Video games didn't get worse, at least not in the past 10 years. You just aren't nostalgic for these ones.

*any job related to IT

>I love seeing people realize just how powerless their words are if no one chooses to listen to them.
Not everyone can bullshit like Hitler

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devs know they're signing their souls to the publisher/shareholders. they signed the contract

>FUCK GAMERS
>AAAAA SAVE ME GAMERS

Then don’t work for a public traded company

All companies become publicly traded when they get big enough. That’s the blackpill

Valve isn't publically traded and its one of the most profitable companies in the US

Based Gaben. Any other exceptions to the rule?

gearbox

We might not be there yet but I can see a valid argument for breaking up the biggest publishers. It's unreasonable to expect unlimited exponential growth.

Too communist for me.
If they don't like their jobs they should quit.

underrated post

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>Big companies are a necessary evil for smaller ones to thrive.
>big companies swell with ego and start destroying smaller ones, see bethesda/zenimax shit

>It's unreasonable to expect unlimited exponential growth.
Oy gevalt

>waiters rise up
>get replaced with robots

>All these wage slaves defending the rich and elites over their own kind in this thread
Conservatives really are idiots.

>gamedevs and journos
>my kind
lmao

>their own kind
umm, no sweatie, I actively want all californians to burn alive

>cosmopolitan fascists filled with nothing but contempt and loathing
>my own kind

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and this vitriol is all because liberals scream on twitter about how much they hate gamers right? the appropriate response to being blamed for something on twitter is burn the speaker alive?

Why in the flying fuck would I defend someone who hates my guts and constantly antagonizes me?

i'm not saying you should. i think what is saying is that, even if there is animosity between gamers and game devs, that the gamer who decries the liberals on twitter who complain about gamers has more in common (as in, their lives are more similar) with the game dev complaining about them than the gamer has in common with jeff bezos.

it's demonstrable that the constant slapfight between the left and right widens the division between people who, if given the chance to really sit down and talk with each other, might find they have more common interests than originally thought. i don't support the constant shitflinging on twitter. it does seem to actively harm unification. i will not lie though, it is rather entertaining.

>game devs ARE working class
>commuting to SF is exactly like being a coal miner, game devs rise up!

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>that the gamer who decries the liberals on twitter who complain about gamers has more in common (as in, their lives are more similar) with the game dev complaining about them than the gamer has in common with jeff bezos.
Nope, jeff does a good product I like using while gamedevs make garbage and then call for my "replacement" and stop catering to me when I call their garbage garbage, they are actively against me and ruining media.

so, I simply wont listen to their bullshit cries because I'm not some beaten housewife.
zero sympathy.

Spot the trump voting prole lmao

Miners have a union tho

today I will remind them

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I dont care about them being more like me?
I'm not some muh class commie faggot.
I refuse this collectivist bullshit they only spout to benefit themselves.

They didnt act like they're on my side for one minute in the past. It was nonstop crying about us specifically which the kikiest of the biggest kike bosses wouldnt do.
They were pushing tons of anti consumer shit. They can get fucked.

You have an incredibly warped view on what is considered """working class""" in burgerland

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i love this one so much. all these champagne socialists claim to support the working class, but call rural americans bumfuck retards, and they gobble up whatever narrative the corporate media, late night talk show hosts, etc, shits out for them.

Why haven't I ever seen any developer that doesn't constantly shill for bullshit like gambleboxes and dumbed down games for normalfags which are supposedly pushed by "suits"? Could it be that devs are just as bad?

Is this those homemade guillotines I hear so much about?

He's right. When you bring up working conditions and exposing that side of the industry, GGers suddenly don't care about gaming on any level and just want it to burn. I've seen many of them admit it.

Then: FUCK GAMER GATERS, FUCK WHITE MEN, FUCK GAMERS, THIS IS OUR INDUSTRY NOW

Now: HELP US GAMER GATERS , HELP US WHITE MEN, HELP US GAMERS

Proof?

the hostility comes from both directions, not solely the game dev direction. i think you know this as well.
the explosion point for the strugglefest as far as i can tell is gamergate. that was when a lot of people from inside and outside the game industry sort of caught on to what type of shit you guys say on Yea Forums. and they obviously weren't fans of it because it's mostly vitriolic towards them. the vitriol of course comes from the fact that games are becoming increasingly liberal socially, even at the time of gamergate, and that the ilk of Yea Forums are noticing that they're losing ground on the types of games being produced. there was an absurd amount of anger about a game like gone home for example. i'm pretty sure the developers of gone home didn't actively hate gamers prior to the game's release, but after they received scores of tweets from people proclaiming their game was SJW or not a game because it didn't fit their limited schema you can bet there's some animosity there.
now, i'm not 100% sure which came first, the hate from gamers towards devs or the devs hate of gamers, but gamers are not blameless in this reputation. it's not fair to act like a victim when you were part of a group that was a perpetrator.
and suppose that either of you that i'm responding to had absolutely 0 to do with gamergate and actively stayed out. in that case, when you see a tweet decrying gamers for doing x or y, then you can know that the tweet is not talking about you if you aren't doing x or y. you are not part of the problematic gamer group they're talking about, so you don't need to take the tweet personally.

tit for tat dipshit

This is like the one industry that doesn't need to be unionized because you could do all the work from your fucking garage. You're not forced to work with EA and if you work in video game development you're more likely to be one of those numales so fuck off.

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the comic in the OP is a bit of an exaggeration. the game devs do not need the help of gamers to unionize. they only need other game devs to get in on it. and they probably will. gamers can be more or less left out of the equation. the comic author is simply trying to expose what the priorities of the right wing gamer class are in a humorous way.

yes, we should listen to them because they got butthurt about Yea Forums exposing collusion in goobergate.
go fuck yourself.

>GGers
It's been 5 years since that.

literally what mainstream media figure is actively promoting socialism?

>the hostility comes from both directions
No, fuck off. I want good games, faggy devs want to force their cancerous politics in videogames and want to cater to people who don't care about videogames therefore I don't like them, no one is forcing them to be like this and there's no reason why I should put up with it, I simply play games made by good devs instead which "coincidentally" happen to be either independent or work for smaller companies where crushing working conditions aren't a problem.
I'm not talking about shit like gone home either, almost all AAA is complete garbage nowadays, just look at the BFV fiasco and the devs' complete hostility towards people who play these military shooters to begin with.

This is not some inter-class struggle where jews are pitting players and devs against each other to make them forget about the "REAL bad guys", it's simply a group of retards being completely out of touch with their audience and forcing their political beliefs down everyone's throats to the detriment of the media which funnily enough mimics the class struggle more closely.

>so you don't need to take the tweet personally.
>please ignore all this vitriol and hostility towards you, they simply mean it in GENERAL terms!
Damn boy, talk more about out of touch elites.

>right wing gamer class
Did you forget the part where right wing gamers are openly hated and reviled and demeaned and attacked by game devs constantly?

>muh security

maybe pick a real job next time retards lmfao

Gee, I fucking wonder why no one sympathizes with you.

Hell, indie, or even just mod teams can get their shit done without needing to live together, and file share. Most of these fucks are just too scared to take control of their lives and careers.

I don’t care if they unionize. But if they do and the increased prices pass to the consumer I’m gonna be fucking pissed off.

It isn't a big of a problem as most people are making it out to be. It isn't an attack on actually political views, they mostly just make fun of the games that throw shitfits about minorities/LGBT/non-fapbait characters in games and have issues with statements like "kill all Nazis"

but you see, you know that gamergate was not just exposing collusion. it was also a venting of the fact that the games industry and its audience is becoming increasingly liberalized. you know this. you pretend that this wasn't a significant portion of the movement's aim, that its aim was the purely neutral exposing of collusion. it should come as no surprise that when the increasingly liberal population of game developers notices that there is a rabid group of individuals who will stop at nothing but to tear down their 'politicizing of video games' that game devs start to you know, be hostile to this group that is hostile to them.

this is the delusion of Yea Forums. they are convinced that no one outside of this board cares about videogames, you should also acknowledge that the majority of game sales these days do not come from Yea Forums. they come from the average person. who is liberal. who is on twitter. who is politically engaged. who is not nihilistic. the biggest games, the biggest sellers, like god of war or spider-man, are simply not purchased by a majority right wing base of Yea Forums. you could decry the people who buy these games as 'people who do not really care about games like i do', and perhaps that's correct. perhaps games form more of your personality than the average person. but the game devs don't really care about that, because all you are to them is a possible 60 dollars. they would cater to you if you were the majority, but people like Yea Forums are not the majority any longer. they aren't!

>it's simply a group of retards being completely out of touch with their audience and forcing their political beliefs down everyone's throats to the detriment of the media
they wouldn't be doing this if it didn't give them profits and attention. if Yea Forums was really so powerful and drove trends then this trend of gamer bashing would stop. but it doesn't. because this board is not so powerful.

yeah and the way we see it is that publishers fucking some faggot devs isnt a problem either.

>it's just a joke bro

yes gamergate was literally set up by nazis and it got drumpf elected.
gamergate also still exists and harasses innocent women every day.

kill yourself.

Stolen from reddit eh?

I'm pro union because I have a disdain for large companies, especially video game related ones because they're just out to ruin the industry by shitting out DLCs and loot boxes but I barely buy any games from big name developers and publishers so I'm already doing whatever I possibly can to "fight" the way codemonkeys are treated. That being said I don't have much sympathy for the same people who throw major bitch fits whenever their games are "review bombed" (read: called out on being shit) and that use twitter as some kind of platform to spout their bullshit and act like they have a high ground. I also have zero respect for most of the people who are spearheading this movement, Bunnyhop is the most tolerable of the bunch and I respect how he's one of the few fucks who has a standard for what counts as "journalism" in the industry but that's it, everyone else either comes across as incompetent, inexperienced or loaded with other political agendas asides from protecting worker rights.

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>increasingly liberalized
Increasingly marxist. Stop using the term liberal for insane authoritarians who want civil rights squelched.

Game developers are in the business of creating content for buyers.
If they do not make what people want then they should either adapt or fuck off.

and i've been trying to explain that the right wing gamers have built this reputation for themselves. the point is to say that right wing gamers are not openly reviled without reason. they have proven time and time again that they will bicker and complain if something doesn't go their way. how else are liberals supposed to respond to the hundreds of youtube videos on mk11 ditching revealing clothing other than 'wow, gamers really want their sexualization in mortal kombat. that's a priority i don't agree with as important.'

the reason why right wing gamers are demeaned by game devs is because you make it so easy. you will complain endlessly and trot out the SJW complaint any time anything not resembling right wing politics is included in a game. and when the group complaining about this is more impotent on a purchasing power level than normies at large, the game devs do not have to listen to you. if Yea Forums had such strong purchasing power that its will couldn't be ignored without a massive strike to profit, then game devs would not be openly hostile towards you. it is because the balance of power has changed in the market that the game devs can be openly hostile towards certain consumers.

but you'll notice not every game dev can afford to be on Yea Forums's bad side, particularly game devs who a majority of their sales might come from the right wing gamer market. these are often japanese games like dead or alive. you still have control over these, and that's why Yea Forums praises them endlessly as the cream of the crop of gaming. because they haven't capitulated to the political opponents yet.

There's no gaming culture in India so you can't dupe Indians into taking a lower wage because "They're breaking into the industry." so all of them would go for an easier job in business software making 25% more.

And in a year and a half those jobs will come back to the US because Indian tech centers are insane for shirking and you either wind up with a bloated workforce or need an American manager constantly flying over and whipping them into shape.

The Indians I've worked with in the US have been fine, but every off-site group has been a nightmare. They work exactly to whichever metrics are given rather than doing a quality job, and anytime you need somebody to monitor something for you they're all off getting tea or going to some company-wide meeting.

I'm personally a NIMBY, but that's because developers keep buying up old houses in nice neighborhoods and tearing them down to put in cereal box condos to sell to Amazon employees. If we've got a housing crisis, build cheap houses where land is cheap. Don't tear down medium price houses to raise everyone else's property taxes.

Besides being wrong about developers not being out of touch with their main audience, what even is your point? You are just reinforcing the fact that the AAA devs "crying for support" don't care or cater to me at all so why are they trying to garner sympathy for their union crap if they hate me? Nothing but spoiled, opportunistic snakes who don't know what actually bad working conditions are, aka the elite.

>how else are liberals supposed to respond
how about making a product people want?

miners make your car go

You're entitled to your own opinions. Just don't be a hypocrite about it or you'll end up saying stuff like "gamers are so unfairly oppressed" and unironically try to rise up

could you make it any more obvious that you're from resetera

They won't listen. Just like the lefties who take things too far. Everyone wants to blameless while acting like a fruitcake.

>the reason why left wing devs are demeaned by players is because you make it so easy
Woah, funny how it goes both ways!!! Almost like political agenda shittery shouldn't be part of videogames at all but only one site is pushing for it!

you're projecting. i didn't say anything like this. i'm saying that the animosity towards gamers has historical backing. nowhere did i say that gamergate is still harassing people. i am only saying that it existed, that it was hard to miss, and that for large groups of people it colored their impression of gamers.

what civil rights are being squelched here? i don't think anyone is taking away your right to free speech. right wingers like to call public outcry over their speech an attack on their freedom of speech, but freedom of speech is only related to the state's lack of ability to quash your speech just because it is inconvenient or non-ideal. corporations and society are not held to this degree. paul joseph watson getting removed from facebook is not a violation of free speech, it's the liberals winning because they have the power.

>i didn't say anything like this.
lmao

So why don't game companies just hire a bunch of Part-Timers to make their games if they are apparently so easily replaceable?
Basically every other industry does this with rank and file employees, so why not this one?

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Choked and electrocuted.

well, i've already stated at that the comic is an exaggeration. i've not seen a single game dev personally call gamers to action on twitter to support unionization. the comic is a misrepresentation of what is actually happening, which is that game devs are autonomously organizing and do not need gamers outside help to do this. what they do need is help from people who have experience unionizing previously non-unionized industries, and people with this experience are not NEETS shitposting on Yea Forums.

they are. these games are selling a fuckton. you are mistaking Yea Forums as "all gamers" which is false. i have stated this several times that this is a delusion of Yea Forums. you project your desires onto the market at large instead of examining what the true desires of the market at large are.

>they are.
they arent. MK11 sales are garbage.

Get fucked, I've been here since before captcha.

I bet you were, tranny.

it won't really stop until one side wins and the other side shuts up. you can't avoid politics in society. the hope that the things we consume will be 'apolitical' forever is misguided.

right. not every game is going to be a hit, but most of these games produced by companies you guys revile make a profit. mk11's sales failure is certainly in part a result of Yea Forums boycotting it, but Yea Forums has scoffed at plenty of games with a liberal leaning that still end up doing alright.

>well, i've already stated at that the comic is an exaggeration
Don't make exaggerations and berate a group of people if you want their support, it's pretty simple.

> the comic is a misrepresentation of what is actually happening, which is that game devs are autonomously organizing and do not need gamers outside help to do this. what they do need is help from people who have experience unionizing previously non-unionized industries, and people with this experience are not NEETS shitposting on Yea Forums.
If they were actually doing that they wouldn't be trying to drum up noise in social media to gather support, voice actors for example have a union but most people didn't know or cared at all until they striked for a year to demand for unreasonable bullshit.

I think people are confusing upper management and marketing people as actual developers. I also agree that most business people that run AAA publishers are cunts and games journalists have been clowns since before most posters discovered this site but I do think the actual code monkeys who do the hard work while also not being responsible for the decision making should get a better deal. And I think like many areas of the economy right now, that could be at least somewhat improved by reducing absurd executive salaries to better compensate the actual workers.

I have no idea if unions are the answer because they've been dead for the entire duration of the tech industry's existence but I don't blame people for feeling around in the dark for something to improve their conditions.

They promote "socialism".
They convince the left the issue is some trannies gender or how many sexual partners someone should have, and not working conditions and wages.
Red herring.

most people are shitposting but i'd like to thank you for you perspective i'm always interested in learning stuff like this from valid sources and wish more people from the "inside" would talk about stuff in their respective areas.

can you suggest any resources to learn more about this stuff?

I WANT TO FUCK KORRA

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>It's all fine and dandy until suburban retards and NIMBYs start having to deal with the consequences of their voting habits instead of passing them off to those of us in the city

Except that cities are always the bluest areas, meaning they're the ones voting for this shit.

you dumb homo think that Yea Forums is the only place that is fed up with this faggotry.
battlefield did not flop because of Yea Forums, its because tons of people are fed up.
and you are trying to pass it off as a strictly political thing like the insincere piece of shit you are.

both game journos and devs started shitting on consumers the second they started rejecting trash products. the first time it happened big time was with Mass Effect 2.
they love being pro company when it suits them.

>paul joseph watson getting removed from facebook is not a violation of free speech
Correct, it's a violation of freedom of the press. Also, please kill yourself you putrid detriment to workers rights.

well, if the game devs ARE drumming up support on social media for unionization (which i dont know if they are because im not informed on this topic), they obviously arent talking to you guys. they are talking to people who will be more receptive to unionization, ie people who they havent shittalked for 7 years now. they are talking to other liberals. you guys are being ignored here.

>journos constantly shilling for this union meme and all spoiled gamedev crying for it on twitter constantly
>t-they don't care about people's support, it's an autonomous matter, now let me shill for it a bit more!
lmao

>publishers are the public enemy of vidya and are the reason why your anticipated games end up watered down and filled with microtransactions and other anti-consumer practices that progressively became the norm through collusion.

The kickstarter fada few years ago proved this wrong. Most of those developers ended up either mismanaging the fuck out of their project or went back on promises and added dumb shit like day one DLC.

Then fuck off if you have no idea of what you're talking about, you are just confirming what we already knew: libshits have no concept of reality and don't understand that whom they love to shit on are the people that propped up the industry and pay their paychecks to begin with.

They're a business selling a product. I don't owe them anything, especially if it's garbage.

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Why would I support them to get comfy in a shit company who is making shitty, terrible, exploitative business decisions?

Why should I care?
>but muh better working conditions will create better games!!
Actually almost every game I love was created by a barebones group/couple of people who worked like fiends and had it tough. Passionprojects, not 9-5 bullshit.

>The kickstarter fada few years ago proved this wrong. Most of those developers ended up either mismanaging the fuck out of their project or went back on promises and added dumb shit like day one DLC.
Name 100 examples.

youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

How do you balance catering exclusively towards the current core market without alienating potential future customers? For example, if the Kickstarter projects and love of jap games are anything to go by, games that feature blatantly oversexualized women are still in demand, yet pandering to that crowd means normalfags continue to view gaming as just a hobby for lonely nerds and the medium does not advance

Sorry, but I don’t play shitty AAA games from the west.

>voice of reason drowned on conspiracyshit
Clown world

> you will complain endlessly and trot out the SJW complaint any time anything not resembling right wing politics
I completely stopped caring about any discussion related to "muh sjws in vidya" because of the autistic retards on youtube who try to become the faces of the "anti-sjw" movement by raving on non-stop about this kind of shit. Fuckers like Jeremy Hambly or the multitude of retards who started acting like they always LOVED Warhammer 40K once those evil SJWs got their "paws" on the franchise. The worse is they always pull this argument out of their asses too. These people could completely ignore the left hypocritically "tolerant and diverse" paranoia that's going on in big studios and discuss and support video games with no sjw shit but instead they give the studios that push the shit they don't like free publicity while validating the SJW shit and causing a reaction to their counter reaction.

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Any industry that requires more than an associates degree and pays like ass is merely the capitalist way of telling naive college grads that their lives are meant to be meaningless. They invested their money in a job that has no benefit to their society or a communist society. These game devs preaching about unions are taking aspects from socialism and misunderstanding its purpose, that the value of hard labor should matter more than them because it maintains the very foundation of their lives. That's the reason why artists only made propaganda in communist countries, if you weren't making money for anyone but your country, you were a capitalist.

They're using socialist ideas to prop up our consumerism addiction.
They're the ones enabling a barely affordable education system and making it hard for talented artists to be taking seriously without college
They're the ones telling the working man he needs to adhere to their standards because they are weak men who cling to successful gain through conformity

Don't fall for these tactics, they ARE the bourgeoisie.

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>yet pandering to that crowd means normalfags continue to view gaming as just a hobby for lonely nerds and the medium does not advance
What the fuck are you even talking about? How can your argument be entirely based off a complete illusion? Games are the biggest industry right now and I can guarantee you it wasn't "hurt" at all by a porn game, quite the contrary.

but you havent explained why the game devs should submit to you now. they did so in the past out of necessity. if its no longer a necessity then they dont have to submit to you. no, an appeal to "we were your bedrock" is not the sort of argument that is followed in reality unless that bedrock is still necessary.

What the fuck are you talking about, normalfags love tits and ass. The only people put off by standards amounts of it are sniffy arts majors who think they have discovered what art REALLY is.

only resetera trannies like you dislike good looking characters.

The conflict is derived from cultural differences.

Not gonna break into a long rant about it because the topic is genuinely very deep, but put very basically jurnos are a "face" culture while gamers are a "merit" culture. These are fundamentally incompatible, which is why they hate each other.

Incidentally, "face" culture is social fucking cancer and everyone who hates them are right to do so. It's what causes jurnos to constantly engage in histrionics over trivialities like insults, because they are worthless people who make or contribute nothing to anyone or anything, persisting only by the good graces of others in their social circle. In their culture, insults are genuine threats to their well-being, robbing them of face they so desperately need to maintain their social tightrope act. Which is why they interpret criticism as "attacks", and the people who deliver them "perpetrators" who need to be punished.

Defending these retarded cunts and their repulsive behaviour makes you a useful idiot.

You are clearly very new or ignorant and don't understand how much the industry changed in just the last few years, political shitflinging was practically unheard of until libshit blue checkmarks took over.

Thread should've ended here.

>Games are the biggest industry right now
Then there's no big problem in the first place, then? No need to make changes and "give people what they want"

I wish.
Gamer was coined by corporations in order to create the new hip thing.
I'm a videogame player.

>but you havent explained why the game devs should submit to you now
You literally inverted everything, I'm asking why I have to submit to gamedevs that don't pander to me at all and are actively hostile towards me, I will continue playing games by developers who don't hate me and I will continue praising anything that makes shitty devs fuck off from games and that's all there is to it.

>these lefty faggots spent years antagonizing their audience and now they expect us to back them?
This. Better luck next time, faggots.

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>the hostility comes from both directions, not solely the game dev direction. i think you know this as well.
>the explosion point for the strugglefest as far as i can tell is gamergate.

ITT retarded, gaslighting discord trannies pretend the whole "entitled gamers" thing with Mass Effect 3 never happened in 2011.

But the games that don’t give people what they want repeatedly underperform despite the massive amounts of money in the industry. Just becaus ethe industry is big doesn’t mean everything released within it is.

What are you even trying to say? I'm not the one crying for people to support their little union dream which would only lead to worse games.

Maybe they should've went into software development instead of fucking gaming

This is true. CEO get thrown under the bus by everyone and actually telling the truth about their positions often gets you “corparate bootlicker” remarks instead of actual discussion. But this doesn’t really have anything to do with the point though.

Programmers aren't the ones complaining, QA contractors are.

How?
If I pay a dollar more for every Big Mac, and that goes straight to the person serving me at McDonalds, how does that benefit me?

how about you re-read your post and think about what you're saying

>muh gaymurgayte
cringe

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>comic author is simply trying to expose what the priorities of the right wing gamer class are
I'll admit, it's hard for me to care since I don't buy western games anymore.

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>When you bring up working conditions and exposing that side of the industry, GGers suddenly don't care about gaming on any level and just want it to burn.

Jesus christ, jews whine about the holocaust less than you faggots still bitch about gamergate.

Man I worked on a QA company for a long time, and I can tell you it's filled with the most bullshitting underqualified liers I have ever seen, so glad I moved into software dev.

>Tfw I've worked in American restaurants my entire working life since I was 16 as a cook
Servers make more via tips in a night than if they had our shitty wages instead. You just need to work in a place that is worth a damn. A lot of bartenders make 100k + in tips alone if they work someplace that attracts young, rich, and impulsive types.

Oh fuck off nigger I've been long before muh ebil gamergate. And I remember quite well how the only reason FeministFrequency even made the amount of money it did was because you stupid niggers would literally never shut the fuck up about it alongside retarded youtube channels looking to make some quick ad bucks by spouting the bullet points needed to collect some views. I also remember quite well being to discuss any game without having retarded niggers bitching and crying because a character in a game is a minority or has a vagina. Meanwhile any threads that attempt to discuss non-mainstream titles either die off in an instant or have to rely on shit baits and nostalgia tripping to stay alive because the only way to motivate you fucks to stop getting mad at the evil SJWs in triple A games and maybe discuss some other games is by having some slav fuck wearing a t-shirt saying BASED

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useful idiots, just look at how many of the dems running are millionaires or have ties to millionaires.

it doesn't. the presumption is that you, the buyer of said big mac, would be working in an industry that has also had its wages raised such that this extra dollar you are paying is no sweat to you. in this sense, the workers movement would raise the collective good in that the average would be less stressed and be better compensated.

I should help the people who are gonna tell me to have sex just cus I like cuties in my video games or cus I don't like having their politics slap me in the face everytime I want to just sit down and enjoy my games???

Fuck that and fuck them. They hate me more than I do them anyways and if they don't like their jobs they can wague like the rest of us.

>wow why did you guys comment on these shitters bringing politics into videogames instead of just letting them push for their political agenda? this is YOUR fault!!
Thanks for proving my point, you couldn't even come up with anything Yea Forums "started".

>you stupid niggers would literally never shut the fuck up about it
You giving us way too much credit. Anita was already being shilled by journalists at the time thanks to that retarded Lego video.

you've noticed how many dems are ignoring the kamalas and buttigiegs for bernie right? because bernie represents the common man better than kamala or buttigieg. i suspect you will claim bernie is cut from the same elite cloth, but his record demonstrates he has been a spokesperson for the common man since the start.

>food analogy

Imagine if game developers went on strike. "Oh no, who will make fortnite and call of duty, the economy is ruined!!!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>The only reason why feminist sjw types started making money and gaining influence within the gaming industry is because there were people who were annoyed that tumblrinas were making money and gaining influence in the gaming industry
Are you retarded? The issues with these absolute faggots invading everything they can goes well before they started invading vidya. Fuck off faggot

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This would be fun to watch and a great way to purge some cancer.

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Was the design changes for MK11 a big factor in underperforming sales? Genuinely curious, I'm not a fan of the series so I don't know how big of a deal it was

Literally no one shilling for this union garbage has any useful job, it's always the diversity quota "design" and QA shit.

>Refuses to refund the millions dipshit socialists donate to him to buy a new house and a Tesla
>Wife is investigated for fraud concerning her university
Yeah, a real champion of the people that guy. Promising people platitudes and having 0 substance behind anything he days then being a greedy little Jew.

>i suspect you will claim bernie is cut from the same elite cloth
He's a multimillionaire career politician.

>you've noticed how many dems
So many that Bernie never will get elected.

It doesn’t give people what they want in far more ways than just character design. It was a game thoroughly hostile to its consumerbase. I only wosh it failed harder.

So what you're saying is that everyone earns more but also everything is more expensive so we end up pretty much at the start.

why do you keep repeating this retarded meme? are you paid for it? I'm serious. it's that or you're so fucking insanely stupid you should genuinely kill yourself.
nobody gives a fuck what people shitpost about on Yea Forums or forums or reddit. the reason FF and every other flavour of literal who makes money from donators is because of what the media writes about them, not because of what shitheads like us write. we could be praising them, and the media would still be finding ways to make it seem like whogivesafuck is under misogynistic attacks from which only DONIATIONS NOW can save them. and if we're not saying shit about them at all, they start making their own stupid bait posts and screenshotting them to make it seem like they're being talked about

again, genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, no fucking hyperbole, end yourself. permanently. shotgun. to the head. or tie something heavy around yourself and jump off a bridge into the fucking ocean. just... do it fast. please.

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Those are not the people affected by the terrible working conditions though. Those statements come from project leads and marketers, not from the people that do the actual work, the artists and code monkeys that put in their 70 hour weeks for months before release.

You fucking illiterate retard if you want to give me (you)s then actually respond to my posts instead of talking to pic related. My point is that you retards went over the top. The right wing spouts the bullshit "the market will fix itself" shit but is literally incapable of ignoring such a basic fucking issue in an industry with an overabundance of products. Discuss this shit if you want but the second you built "platforms" based on youtube e-celebs was the second you became just as bad as the retards running patreon pages to pay for groceries while they do "internet activism"

She was yes, and then she got shilled even harder when some retarded faggot made that browser game of her getting beat up and she got even more shilled when retards like Thunderfoot realized they could make a killing in ad revenue by reading bullet points on this topic and raking in the views from places like Yea Forums

Pic related for you as well you illiterate nigger. You bitching about this doesn't do anything asides from validating counter reactions. The only logical move is picking an alternative from the myriad of games on the market and supporting those but you people are incapable of doing that because you're all surface level casuals who became flabbergasted the second you realized you could no longer play Battlefield without seeing niggers

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The mobileshit-tier grinding in an already fully priced game full of DLC is what killed it, you can argue that it's part of the same "incompetent diversity quota idiots out of touch with their audience" package.

Maybe we would prioritize helping devs out if they mostly weren’t QA, didn’t hate us, and most importantly, made good games.

Turns out I only care about video games and not the people that make them. Those cucks need to stick up for themselves and stop letting their bosses shit on them.

>My point is that you retards went over the top
How so?

>The right wing spouts the bullshit "the market will fix itself" shit
Aren't you the one doing it right now by saying we all should ignore political agendas in videogames and let it blow over? Why are you even blaming Yea Forums for people pushing these agendas when they are doing it themselves and shilling themselves constantly? Why do you resetera trannies lack any kind of logic? All Yea Forums did was react to bullshit other people did.

Yeah sure thing retard, it was literally impossible to browse vidya related youtube channels without finding people giving free publicity to FF and similar trash but I'm sure it's the evil jews funneling in money into the media to shill for donations. If whatever we said was truly irrelevant then there'd be no point in discussing it in the first place but then again here we are putting up with retards like you who can only muster P-P-PLEASE KILL YOURSELF I WANT M-MY SAFE SPACE BACK

Replacements in the game industry are only coming from inside the country right now. It's only a question of time though until they outsource or offshore all programming tasks to India or Eastern Europe though

GG was about ethics in gaming journalism and the fact that journos and you lefty fucks are STILL butthurt about it says it all.

'restaurant goers' would be better

>game marketers and lead devs: fuck gamers
>actual developers: Gamers, help
FTFY

Based

Nope, it's all the blue checkmarks shilling for it.

>How so?
I wrote several examples already stop pretending you're illiterate
>Aren't you the one doing it right now
Yes because it's the only logical way to react to a bunch of shit institutions being infected with SJW paranoia. You support other institutions that make good games, there's plenty of them.
>Why do you resetera trannies
Oh it's another of you counter reactionary babies you and this retard should seriously learn to fucking read instead of continuously reinforcing just how retarded and incapable of talking without using buzzwords you are

>It's a strawman
No. No it's not. Allow me to directly quote you and highlight how what I just said is also exactly what you said

>And I remember quite well how ****the only reason FeministFrequency even made the amount of money it did was because you stupid niggers would literally never shut the fuck up about it***** alongside retarded youtube channels looking to make some quick ad bucks by spouting the bullet points needed to collect some views.
Fuck off moron
>Just play something else and stop complaining about major corporations
How about I stop playing their games then complain about why these corporations are terrible and why their business practices should be opposed and ridiculed instead? Moron

>FF exists
>nobody gives a fuck
>media starts hyping her up omg woman influencing gaming top 100 most important women in gaming TIME'S top who gives a fuck every fucking site writing articles about how her arguments make sense games devs inviting her to give presentations advice on games blahblah
>diptshits on youtube start noticing and calling her retard cuntery retarded cuntery
>legitimately 100% super-retards like you pretend this is where the chain of events started rather than actually at the start
shotgun. head. now.

I hate american politics.

This mays be new to you, but people like FF and their sycophants did, and will continueto, falseflag harassment against them and then spread it to their journalist friends for the sweet ambrosia of donations for doing nothing.

>siding with publishers
ultimate cuck spotted

>I wrote several examples already stop pretending you're illiterate
No you didn't, commenting on hostile people subverting the industry with their politics is not "going too far".

>You support other institutions that make good games, there's plenty of them.
I sure do, and none of them happen to be AAA institutions that employ the "people" who are shilling for an union now, which also happen to be the people you are so vehemently supporting.
I don't think you understand how obvious your political agenda is, literally no one other than SJWs get butthurt over SJWs being called out.

They do, they're called temp / contract workers. You run them into the ground and then dump their broken husks when you're done or if they become useless.

basically.

I don't believe game devs should unionize, but I have never seen the wind sucked from a boat's sails so fast in my entire fucking life.

If jeff bezos was crying for help I wouldn't help him either and I don't even hate the guy but you're telling me to help someone I do hate because I am in a similar financial situation as them or that if I helped them they'd stop forcing diversity and hamfisting their politics into my games? Fuck off, as soon as they realise we disagree politically they'll just latch on as many leftist buzzwords as they can think of onto my name and piss me off even more.

>oh god I had to deliver so many coffees and read bug reports for soooo long yesterday... ugh this is literally slavery, marx warned us about this late stage capitalism... *sips latte*

>why can't you just conform to your shitty working coditions and be gratefull you're not born in Zimbawe
fuck you, you spineless worm

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it takes me a little over 6 years to make that much but less than 7

Factually incorrect. CEO's hire people to take care of most of their problems for them. Then those people hire more and so on. It's always funny seeing the lengths a bootlicker will go to prove his fallacies true. Very sad!

Except economic freedom directly correlates with prosperity and better working conditions in any government in history, they don't realize it but "ground level" socialists are shilling for worse lives for themselves while the millionaire aristocrats shill for it because corrupt bureaucrats make serious BANK in socialist states.

>entire anti-union stance is based on assuming every developer is a blue haired tranny or that only plumbers and miners should have unions
I for one, support any kind of movement that fucks over the companies who pump out DLCs and skin packs like no tomorrow

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the thing with temp workers is that they have no job security and don't get benefits of any kind, including health / etc. Japan has started doing this a whole fucking lot and the US has been doing it too. Temp workers can usually be strung along pretty easily and promised an actual position, and then you can just turn them down when their contract is out and they've worked themselves to death trying to secure an actual job. Lots of free labor and work hours for little to no long-term cost.

What exactly is stopped these basedboys from organizing?

If they don't care enough to come together as a group and bargain for better conditions, why should I care?

Almost like it's a bad idea to flood the country with low skill aliens willing to work for pennies.

It's adorable how frightened this kid is to say the word "nigger".

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>fuck these companies pumping out dlc
>lets give them AND the people who work for them more money
t. blue haired tranny

I honestly think both sides (management and workers) are fucking terrified of making the first move, so they're at this uneasy stasis. I imagine some of the shit that's come out lately might actually force their hands and have something happen.

Who do you think is even making that DLC and skin packs and came up with the concepts to begin with? I haven't ever seen a single developer complaining about these profit-boosting methods.

Where did I say anything about giving them more money?

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this whole "dude game devs rise up lamo" unionization thing is just a scheme to institutionalize shitlibs in game dev. "oh you want to be a game dev, better pay your unions dues goy, and dont let us catch you having the wrong opinions!"

the financial arm, mostly. shareholders see the money from lootboxes and they start cumming uncontrollably and they demand it or else

shitlibs hate unions, because then they can't push neoliberal globalization horseshit like they want to

It's only bad for the lower class and the foreign workers, and even then, the workers have much more to gain. Just because someone is born in a shithole country doesn't mean they should stay there forever

My town is packed with factories that constantly bitch about not having a stable work force because "people these days just don't want to work in trades" but that also run every temp worker into the ground with a promise of a permanent job just to make them fuck off by the end of the contract and doing it all over again with a new set of temp workers. I don't blame devs for wanting better work conditions because I can kinda see where they're coming from.

Maybe the shithole country should retain its better workers and become less of a shithole.

>the workers have much more to gain
Like what?

Yeah maybe. I was involved in organizing a shop once and the whole process was kind of confusing. I figure it'd be a lot easier for them to get it done though being that they're all at computers. I had to go around and talk to all our guys at different locations while I happened to be there and explain the whole thing to them. These are blue collar guys, many don't even know how to use a computer let alone e-mail and if they have a cell phone it's a flip-phone.

These fuckers could just make a facebook group or tweet about it or some shit and they'd all be in the loop. I dunno man.

Having a portion of their wages taken so commies can LARP about overthrowing the system

>shitlibs
>smart enough to even try to conceive the idea that globohomo might not be the one truth

Even while doing the exact same job, working in the states means living more comfortable than in India or Mexico

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> Game Dev: Hey all you guys we talked down to and called racist, sexist, alt- right, transphoboic, homophobic, manchild losers for years help us out
>Gamers: Nah.

These idiots have no self awareness if they expected they audience they maligned for years would support them.

I hope they put them on amazon style bathroom timers next.

When I read "gamedev workplace horror stories" it's always retarded shit like toxic microaggressions and bland food, these people are extremely spoiled and out of touch with reality.

I meant domestic workers, not shithole aliens.

based and black pilled

AAA Game devs are like dinosaurs, they went extinct in the late 00's in the west, now we only have 50igoys and corporate businessmen making safe bland interactive propaganda services

Let the AAA die, only then the good old geek garage game makers will appear again

>caring about domestic workers
what are you a nazi?

Bargaining agreements (typically)have clauses in them that prevent employers from hiring temps or contractors from doing work that could be done by unionized staff. If temps are needed there will be a limit on how long a temp can be used before a new employee must actually be hired to do whatever the temp was needed for.

Realistically speaking what is the average customer even supposed to do to support unions? Isn't this mostly on the hands of the developers themselves banding up and denying their employers of the skills they have? I doubt a half assed boycott would help considering companies have a million ways to come up with reasons as to why their games flopped anyways

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Notice OP's image doesn't say pay, or wages. It says secure working conditions.

If the guys pumping out dlc have to pay their employees more, we'll have more expensive dlc. CEOs wont be so humble to give them a cut of their money so the workers will say nothing other than that the burden is on the consumer like they've always been doing. You'd be a retard for thinking what you're supporting would fuck over companies more than the consumer and an even bigger one if you think any support other than money matters.

>Realistically speaking what is the average customer even supposed to do to support unions?
You should be against unions since they only lead to worse services and products and institutionalizes whatever agenda the union pushes for (which will never be to the benefit of the product or buyer).

i think they're just trying to drum up support to get the iffy devs on board

gotta have a full shop to unionize or they'll try to cover losses with scabs

GEE I WONDER WHY

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Oh that's fine I don't buy DLC ridden games so this wouldn't affect me I just want to see the companies that make them get fucked, couldn't care less if you pay more for it lol

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>All these wage slaves defending the rich and elites over their own kind in this thread
I don't even break $18,000 a year you stupid commie fuck and I work 30-40 hour weeks busting my ass in summer heat, just so some office jockey with rainbow hair on twitter can tell me I'm "entitled".

SJW's are literally the "HOUSE NIGGERS" of the struggle.
You fuckers sold your souls to the corporate beast at occupy wall-street when you realized that the hand that beats you is also the same hand that feeds you so then you sold yourselves off as pets in exchange for less beatings and more feedings

I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but you're a faggot and would probably enjoy yourself.

definitely not that alone.
the game is a grindy microtransaction ripoff, the pc port literally didnt work and there are more subjective things like whack roster picks and odd game design decisions.

What kind of working conditions are we talking about? Is it really brutal? Genuinely curious.

t.Tim Schafer

Why would you prioritize domestic workers? Because of ease of travel and push for open borders, countries are becoming modelled less like families and more like companies, where only the most component/hard-working people can succeed

This.
Also this whole movement is designed to unionize gamedev and then just take it over completely by left wing ideologues. It's already kind of difficult to be somewhat openly right wing. Imagine what would happen if they would unionize. Complete takeover for decades.

this

You won't be so smug when they take an old series you like and rape it with micro transactions. Not everyone is a super cool nihilist like you but it would nice if there were less retards supporting shit they know nothing about or don't care about.

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>gamers rise up
You can tell how much of an out of touch faggot the comic artist is because he uses terminology that journos and dev used to shit on game enthusiasts while expecting help from them.

I was actually a blue haired tranny the whole time, please give me money for my surgery.

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nah cuz i want gigantic aaa to fail so we can reset this clown shit

Oh they've done that already with plenty of series I like, I just choose not to play the DLC infested releases and play the older entries instead while waiting for new games that are both fun and don't have micro transactions. You shouldn't be supporting these companies in the first place so who cares if normies have to pay more for skin packs?

FUCKER

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>the most component/hard-working people can succeed
No, only the ones willing to work for the cheapest.

How do we support them then? By purchasing the games we do like and not purchasing the games we don't like? You don't think we do that already??? What the fuck are you trying to say? You act smug with your stupid loli pics(hahahahahha he keeps tweeking it with each post soooo funny) but you've said shit all.

I dunno man I'm just responding because you're responding. Didn't notice you were actually getting all boiled up over it, chill my dude

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>only the most component/hard-working people can succeed
If you knew anything about the free market you would know that you can maximize profit, not by becoming more productive, but by minimizing costs.
The worst par is that social benefit remains constant so the free market can't fix this issue, it has to be regulated.

not the same fag and it's just cringy but if you get a kick out of your dumb unfunny jokes then have fun I guess.

I hate all of you redditors.
Fuck you all and go back

>it's share holders who are single handedly keeping your business from collapsing due to the sheer weight and manpower you have to pay for
You literally have no idea how business works. You aren't beholden to your shareholders because they're "giving you money". You already GOT your money when you did your IPO. You're beholden to your shareholders because they fucking own the company because you sold it to them. Moreover, Nintendo owns the majority of their fucking business, so they don't have to listen to their shareholders AT ALL, aside from courtesies like annual shareholder meetings to update them on the status of the business and their investment.

You are absolutely not fucking "constantly under the pressure of the law", that's what your fucking legal department is for, for one, and for another thing, you aren't subject to international laws unless you are doing business internationally, in which case you have (again) a branch or publisher dedicated to that matter, and it's the job of THAT branch to be on top of things.

The CEO does not have the easiest job in the universe, it's true. There are challenges. But they do have the most EFFICIENT job in the world. For the amount of work they put in, they are compensated far more than a grunt doing an equivalent amount of work under an equivalent amount of stress. The CEO gets more benefits, works shorter hours, has higher pay, and has more job security than an 85-hour overtime-working game programmer will ever accrue in his entire life.

But let me fucking guess - you go to business school, right?

I have fun shitting up shit threads yes

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>you can maximize profit, not by becoming more productive, but by minimizing costs.
Yeah, not everybody wants to eat beans and lentils for a month straight just they can afford rent. And they don't have to if they support the right policies and don't suck corporate cock willingly.

you are on to something here. the liberals and leftists who deride the white working class who lack power do not make any friends with their snark.
i dont think occupy fell off because of a "selling out" by its participants but rather because of the fact that the movement didnt have a coherent vision of the future. without that vision people lost faith and deserted the movement. when these deserters return to corporate america to work, they arent selling out, but rather doing the only thing they can- selling their labor. they sell their selves because there is no other choice.

im sorry you dont have much power in your life user. it does suck that people on twitter alienate you further. if they realized who their messages were reaching and the enemies theyre making then i think they would reconsider their rhetoric.

The mods filtered it, just why? It helped with discussion and allowed new memes to shine when wojaks were spammed.

Supposedly. We've been hearing a lot about "crunch time" lately, with numbers being thrown around of averaging over 70 hours a week. I've heard that not only does it overwork the devs, but that it doesn't really produce much gain for the extra work because tired, stressed programmers make more mistakes
I've got nothing for you firsthand though.

hey man i've just been scrolling through the thread, just thought I'd mention that the free market has never been rigorously mathematically proven, the basic proofs, statements, and results you learned in year 1 economics are massively flawed, and the whole thing was thought up by a guy with what we'd today call a philosophy degree. i haven't read the rest of your argument but if you're basing anything on the free market i just thought i'd warn you that modern economists generally consider it a crock of shit, or a guideline at best for a much more complicated set of behaviour

By your logic, sweatshops where you just sit at the same spot making the same stuff at a desk for 16 hours a day isn't considered poor working conditions?

Basically, after 25 hours per week your quality of work starts to drop dramatically. Around 30-35 hours (depending on the job and workforce) you generally start to see negative returns per additional hour. The 40-hour work week is actually suboptimal for most factors, it should be around 35.

The hard part is recognizing that it's not like there's some sudden drop-off on Friday around lunch. It's a cumulative effect. Adding additional hours past a certain point is decreasing the effectiveness of every hour. It's really easy to assume that people are just being lazy because they're ALWAYS working slowly, but they're always working slowly because they're working 80 hours per week.

econ is a fucking joke, people treat it like a real science when it's literally a bunch of retards guessing and jerking each other off. You'd get the same result out of a bunch of dudes wearing black cloaks and dancing around a circle of bones

>game franchise has something since the beginning
>change it
>wow why are these bigots so upset, get over it manbabies!
The only devs that are hostile are the ones that don't matter: AAA devs. I haven't bought an AAA game in years and probably never will again, it's all garbage.
If Yea Forums doesn't like the shit being put out then stop buying it.

What? Are you gonna explain yourself or just make bold statements? How is it just a bunch of guessing?

econ is nothing but assumptions on what other countries / industries / etc are going to do in a specific situation, but they act like they're lords of math and everything has these concrete, pure numbers when it's more like 90% sociology and 10% math

If you knowingly work for a crook you shouldn't expect people to feel sorry for you, much less "rise up" to make it your aiding and abetting life easier.

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>I haven't bought an AAA game in years and probably never will again, it's all garbage.
BRO NO! You're supporting the unions!

>90% sociology and 10% math
Wanna show us your concrete, pure numbers that let you come to that objective conclusion?

econcuck spotted

This
Also not just white
Devs only hate white MEN

I'm just going to call you a nigger because you are ignorant and terrible with money.
Minimizing costs doesn't work in real life? Wut
He kinda has a point, some people call themselves economists but they are actually HR people who went through an economy I semester.

people aren't rational actors and will fuck up and make dumb decisions based on nothing for no reason, all the time, but econ always, always pretends that this isn't true and totally buys into the 'rational actor' fallacy

Not him, but do you know the difference between a math and a science? A science makes empirical observations, while a math makes assumptions and goes off of those. Economics is a math that claims to be a science. They make assumptions and work off of them. The "law of supply" and "law of demand" are just axioms. They are INCREDIBLY unrealistic, theoretical concepts that they've used to generate an entire field of study. The axioms can be shown to apply in reality in certain HEAVILY-constrained situations, which is when your math can be applied to reality, but overall the axioms in economics have never been verified to work in any but those constrained studies. They are a math claiming to be a science because they think that what they observe in a controlled laboratory setting applies 100% identically in the real world.

Not only that, but the quality of proof is INCREDIBLY lacking. If you don't have a math background it can be hard to understand, but their "proofs" are generally just more assumptions, or faulty, or can't be shown to work in all situations. I've never seen an economics professor even use the most basic proof techniques in their lectures. It's not uncommon in things like graph theory to go "okay well the proof is too complicated to do in one lecture so here's a picture and the general idea, sorry about that", but econ guys don't even bother to do that. They show you a picture or two, point at a few things, and say "and so we have proven that this happens". The textbooks are no better.

It is literally just a shitty math. Most sociology departments are more rigorous and applicable to reality. You'd get a better idea of useful economics talking to a geographer than an actual economist, because geography went through that same sort of "scientific revolution" that economics did, only in geography's case they went "wait this is retarded we're morons" and went back to the old, better way of doing things.

That's preference based economics, open any microeconomics book and you'll find in the first page that there are other models, most of them a mix between preference and behavior based economics.
How retarded can you possibly be?

>Assumptions
Economists know they are making educated guesses, no economist believes what they forecast will 100% come to pass. They know these people aren't all perfect agents of logic and they account for that using "disturbances and error". Whether or not you act people act completely rational, I can still tell you that if I try to sell a loathe of bread for $1000 it won't sell unless one retard nutcase comes and buys it. Knowing this I can choose to just lower the price and using many economic principles I can determine the best price to sell my bread at. Economics isn't about having 100% accurate assumptions it's about making the best possible choices given the knowledge at my disposal.

Unironically it's starting to seem like white men are the most oppressed class in Western countries, nearly on par with blacks in the decades following reconstruction

Tripple A Games have been shit for years. They don’t innovate or try out something new. Instead we get the same garage again and again each year but somehow worse and with more microtransations

Is it like that for all jobs, or only certain jobs?

microeconomics is completely worthless
macroeconomics is actually pretty useful

most people think it's the other way around but microeconomics is worthless theorizing and trying to attribute objective laws to ridiculously complex systems
while macroeconomics is like hey here's how a bank works guys! it tells you how things are actually done in our current system

>like indie games
>get called hipster, faggot, soiboy etc
>like triple A games
>get called shill, corporate cocksucker, etc
Yea Forums is just shit all around no joke

It doesn't help that most economists are usually smug as fuck about everything

you described modern game studios, not devs.

where are the comix???

marioeconomics is my favorite

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that's exactly it. If you're an inteligent but not rich person in a shithole country, you should just conform and find the best possible job you can. I quit med school to become a film director and now I'm probably going to kill myself in a year or two because it is literally impossible to break the glass ceiling unless your family has money and contacts. Don't follow your dreams!

>nonono just because they decided to work with these people and do the work they pay for doesn't mean you should put them in teh group of bad people! I have 12 devs in my twitter friendlist and they are talented hard working allies!

You can't have one without the other.
Stuff like inflation, which is a macroeconomic variable, is usually approximated by observing consumer prices or wages aka microeconomic variables.

The severity and exact timing of the dropoff depends on the job itself, the pool of workers, and on each individual worker. But the dropoff itself does always happen.

The human brain just doesn't have what it takes to concentrate on a task indefinitely. It's basically built to withstand momentary, intense bursts of concentration separated by hours of mild alertness and socialization, and a nap around 1pm.

Fuck em, gangweed riiiiise up!

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You never had a dream of you're quiting now.

Damn if I don't help the game devs that hate me they won't make muslim kombat 2 kollecters edition that comes with 20 kombat points and three limited edition burqas. Please tell me what to do to worsen their situation so I know to do the complete opposite of that and save their souls!!!!!

But it's done by observing those variables on a macro scale, which completely eliminates their controlled, independent, microeconomic nature.

Waiters are overpaid fuckers thanks to tipping.

Chefs and cooks, sure.

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You can have a dream and be realistic about how likely it is you'll achieve it, I doubt that user has many job prospects as a movie director, especially if he does live in a shithole country

Why would I give a damn about people who hate my very existence for no reason? For people that want to shove their propaganda into shit that I like?

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The difference is mostly about applications, not scale.

WRONG BITCH
youtu.be/6B7ToJoqGpg

>their lives may improve
Nope. Think harder. Sure, you might have a couple of entrenched people who benefit. But what about everyone else? Look at what's swept out of sight.

Labor laws need to go.

Gee, I wonder why gamers don't care about the plight of developers. I just can't figure it out.

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There are plenty of NIMBYs living in cities m8.
Most of them live in the rich(er) neighborhoods.

Yeah but just because he isn't successful doesn't mean you stop. If success and fame are what drive you than people just smell the fake quality in your work.

He should work a day job and continue pouring over his scripts, brainstorming ideas, joining clubs that lets you share your work with other experienced and amateur workers. Comedians don't go to clubs and win big until 7 years into the game. If you want to be one of the great you need to put the effort in to become that.

Van Gogh was recognized after he died. He never got to share his work in his life, and he was pretty much hated by everyone he knew, but he put in that effort everyday. I'm not trying to sound like a motivational fagot I'm telling you that of you want your dream to come true you don't stop and take it causally.

>first proper movie production group in the country has success because they're filling an obvious niche
This doesn't prove much, but I will say that these guys have a really cool dude who goes digging around junkyards for materials to make the props for the movies

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>if you want your dream to come true you don't stop and take it causally.
Although I don't disagree with you and I hope most people have the mentality you're describing, we don't really know the dude's context, I know mine though, and several other contexts of people who had to give up on their dreams. Sometimes there are limitations that put a stop to that kind of attitude and there's nothing that can really be done about it, that doesn't mean the dream wasn't there though.

based

Do leftists actually find this funny? I admit the gamers rise up meme can be funny sometimes but this.....this is just utter trash.

>game devs dont care about my job and my money
>i should care about game dev jobs and their money
Why?

I hope game devs here do unionize so the western vidya industry can finally fuck off and die.

>should care about shit that doesnt affect me
>should not care about shit that does
this is why everybody hates them.

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