Linux Gaming thread

i feel that last post explains a lot about Japan in general.

to be fair, anyone who's passionate about games? Stick with Windows, if you use Linux you probably don't even like games

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using linux as your desktop OS is like using a spoon to hammer nails in the wall.

>icycalm
WHAT FUCKING YEAR IS IT?

This guy get it. Though Linux is getting better for games ever year I think. It's still so so so far behind Windows and OS X in thousands of different important ways. I don't see it ever catching up in my lifetime.

you should really sudo apt upgrade your comebacks my man, that's like the second time you've been whining about [current year]

Breaf and Circuses

>linux gaming
Not close enough yet. No windowsfag is going to switch over if not even 50% of the games work.

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It's been 6 years since that post and it's still the truth, that just makes it even worse.

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it is true that it is behind Windows, but when conpared to macOS it is quite on par and is on a good track to overtake it.
while one is developed by big corporation and used by faggots, the other is by hackers for all neckbeards
you can conclude that neckbeards are more interested in video games than faggots

>Every game torrent is repacked and bundled with some shit installer that depends on obscure windows dlls

To be fair, when it works, I found the performance of windows-emulated games under Linux to be even better than windows. You can count the games that don't run well under linux on two hands nowadays.

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>not showing native games
at least you attempted to falseflag

>not showing native games
>this is the brainpower of linuxfags
No one using windows gives a single fuck about you're native 2D game made using free assets. The only thing that matters is playing native windows games and Linux can't do that decently yet.

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but how many hands do you need to count when it comes to "run games out of the box by double clicking an executable"? Like picrel

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I read "Chandweller" as being like "Chandler" with a "w" sound.

I can play all VNs by double clicking on them too, user.

Perhaps. But at the same time the average linux neckbeard is almost religiously opposed to paying for software. And while many mac users aren't big gamers, they are far happier to pay for shit than the average windows user even.

>Windows is too spyware
>Loonix is too nerdy and has no good software

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Loonix has the best software. You just have to know where to look, and clarify what you want.

Absolute cope.

Sure thing buddy. Enjoy sucking the microshaft.

I literally cringed.

Threadly reminder OP is an autistic Linux shill that posts round the clock. Faggot makes a thread almost every day for the past several months. Check the archives. OP, it's a fucking OS. Stop being a faggot

>Linux shill
Who is paying him?

Nobody, they do it for FREE (both as in freedom and as a free beer)

It keeps happening.

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>Excel
>Good
God, I hate that buggy piece of shit and its retarded format incompatibilities. Just use Google Docs like a human.

You must be retarded if you think only one guy on Yea Forums cares about Linux. Just spend 5 seconds on to see what I mean. In fact, it's much more likely that the anti-linux spergs in this thread are Microsoft shills, since there's no real reason for such anger against a free OS.

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>37 posts
>14 posters
>same thing in all the other Linux shill threads sometimes tripled or quadrupled
>"totes not a shill"

K bud

>handfull of autists argue about operating systems back and forth for an hour
Like I said,

you haven't delved too deeply into Japanese PC games, I see.

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Linux is an objectively better system (the kernel is two orders of magnitude faster, more secure, far more stable), and most distributions are objectively better at handling software packaging. I have never seen a Linux distribution degrades over time as I have seen all Windows installations do. X is an issue, but it is getting replaced.

Unfortunately, gamers won't come to Linux until it is a primary gaming platform, and games won't come to Linux until it has gamers. There is a trend those past ten years for small indie devs to offer a Linux port, because it has been found that Linux gamers are far more likely to buy small indie dev games (they are one or two order of magnitudes more likely than Windows gamers). But AAA games won't come in Linux until the market is ready, and the market will never be ready until AAA games come.

It's a bit of problem. But, well, Linux won on servers, Linux won on supercomputer, Linux is strong on embedded, and I do not particularly care about Linux as a gaming platform. So whatever.

good luck trying to get people adopt this lifestyle of an OS

whenever i use any linux distro i always have to google a bunch of shit and have documentation up. am i fucking operating on somebody or something? seems pretty screwy, but i'll get it eventually

I've started dual booting after fucking around in a VM for a while. I enjoy it and I boot into Windows only for some games anymore.
And yes, I like gnome, boo hoo. I did like KDE more, but it was buggy beyond belief even though its fans desperately claimed otherwise.

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Is this... the year?

switched years ago, feels good.

no

>borked

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>Not GNU+Linux

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Nobody gives a fuck about Native. Shit, even some Linux Native ports (Witcher 2, notable) are fucking busted.

Try harder next time, faggot.

i care about native and if native games are so 'busted' then showing it would only help anons case

But I already use Linux.... on my laptop. My desktop is on windows running actual video games.

imagine seething this hard

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Free software is only free if you don't value your time.

>t. too dumb to actually not be a baby duck
i get paid to use linux at work

>double click exe
>it opens in WINE
>90% of them use the same VN engine from the early 2000s so there's no real issues
Wow, so hard. Regardless, you should be playing pirated porn games only in a VM these days due to bitcoin miners and cryptolockers.

How do you install gog games through proton? Vampires the Masquerade installer is one .exe file and one .bin file.

Just use lutris for non steam stuff, proton won't be much different to regular wine with older games.

yeah, try opening mako in wine like that, smartass. I know I have. Windows 7 is the best OS for someone interested in Japanese games.

Then run it in Virtualbox, retard.

and we're back to "running things out of the box by a single double-click". Which Linux apparently can't.

no, it can't run x thing in a double click. that doesn't invalidate its usage in things that aren't x thing.

that's nice dear, but I thought we were talking about running games? Which Windows is still the best at no matter how you slice it. And this is the video games board.

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not the user you were talking to originally, i just think the generalized 'linux can't do ANYTHING' because your w/e VN example(s) is being dishonest.
my games work fine on linux. I wish VNs or whatever jest werked, but my games run fine with running by a single double click, so again while linux doesn't work with x thing, doesn't meant it doesn't work running y thing

Office is pure BLOAT

Go fix more motherboards Louis

I never said that Linux is good for nothing. I just corrected that user since he had the hubris to claim that Linux can run virtually any game out there which is a plain lie. And let's not even get into whether it can run obscure games well...

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The GOAT choice is obviously to dual boot and reap the benefits of both operating systems. It's such a no-brainer. Why limit yourself to ONE thing when having both poses minimal downside? Is rebooting really that hard?

but user, Linux must run ALL the things even better than Windows and it must also cure cancer
otherwise it's shit and has literally no games

I guess it depends on the level of obscurity? how many people have heard of poschengband? works better on linux than windows in my experience.
actual GOAT is GPU passthrough with qemu
I wish that wasn't the mentality that people had

Been using GNU/Linux for probably 4 years now.
I don't think I could go back to using Windows as everything is far more convenient on Linux.

not emulation

>actual GOAT is GPU passthrough with qemu
If you can make it work, sure. I've heard some videocards actively work against GPU passthrough though.

really? that's odd. I've not really need to use it so i don't keep up in the space, but if you can find something listing which those are that would be great. There was a Tech Tips video that came out recently that showed how to set passthrough up.

Imagine trying to defend Loonix so hard that you want Native broken ports thrown into Proton DB's ratings.

>i care about native
That's because you're a Linux fag, faggot.

Windows and other folks you're trying to convert don't give a shit about busted native apps. They want PUBG, Apex Legends, Fortnite, etc. to run on Linux near-native. This means through Proton or Wine since those companies will NEVER make a Native app because Linux is 0.01% of the market (if that).

It's a waste of their development time and resources to make a native app. So the other user's ProtonDB list is apt: Because that's how you're going to get a majority of new games.

If people were gonna use an OS shouldn't they by default care about what functions natively?

Im not trying to convert anyone, user. I don't believe in going into NON LINUX threads and telling people to switch to linux. That would be as dumb as a windows only user going into linux threads to try to tell people who use linux that they're wrong, not that anyone here would do that.

when someone is spreading misinformation it's the duty of upstanding anons to correct it. Otherwise we're nothing but an echochamber. Someone experienced's gotta warn people about the problems with Linux, especially among gaming enthusiasts.

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Well basically nvdia's an asshole and tries to limit consumer cards. You'd do well checking /g/'s archives. These also came up having done a cursory google search.

reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/8krv90/amd_vs_nvidia_for_gpu_passthrough_gaming/
forum.level1techs.com/t/amd-vs-nvidia-for-gpu-passthrough-gaming/127643

and the other user has a point, why would someone interested in switching not want to see what runs natively?
ah yeah. i was going to say that if i had to guess who would be trying to prevent it, it would be nvidia.

there aren't linux only games on steam, native means including proper ports of windows games.

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>Out of the 1000 most popular games on steam only 130 do not run

Have fun with your bronze quality, faggot. I bet you emulated Ratchet & Clank on PCSX2 before 2017 and it was "just fine".

Seeing as Win10 is the "last windows ever" per MS, idk I can see Linux Win10 emulation get to the point that it can go toe to toe, but it'll be a while

Why use an OS where 13% of your games don't run when you can use a OS where 0% of them don't run?

>tfw i can't emulate Nier replicant on the PS3 emulator at any good quality.
This is on windows, but man OS aside it's suffering.

Because games aren't everything. Did you seriously build a PC just for muh vidya?

It's only "last windows ever" because they're going to roll the kind of big windows version updates they do, into mandatory win10 updates.

Just pointing out the Windows is better for games.

For everything else desktop, linux still sucks. but that's another point. Gaming is not a reason to use linux realistically.

Windows has gotten so bad, I'm switching to linux for usability

>linux for usability
What a mistake

From my experience linux is better at:
Keeping software and drivers up to date without having every single program have their separate launcher to check for updates
More customization and control over how stuff looks
When you use 15 mins to understand how packages work its easier to install new software
The only thing thats "better" out of the box on windows is that you don't need to read 5 min install guide to use normie stuff like photoshop

>for everything else desktop, linux sucks
>just because it's not EXACTLY LIKE WINDOWS it sucks
just say you have baby duck syndrome and be done with it.

Imagine defending spyware.

>For everything else desktop, linux still sucks

T. grandma who "wants her office", doesn't know there are a thousand other options

A reminder, if your preferred PDF viewer is Acrobat Reader, you really shouldn't voice any opinions about software, ever.

Yeah they usually work well, but recently I wanted to play old starcraft expecting it to work better on wine than my old pentium 4 did 15 years ago and did not get much better. On my gaming computer you can hear the fans firing up and in my laptop with a first gen i5 the framerate is terrible. I don't know how this shit is even possible for a 1998 game. The rest of the games is like you say, they either work properly with great performance or don't start at all.

Most of the inconvenient and time consuming stuff about linux are really just one time things you need to learn, once you got it it easy as fuck.

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this, zathura master race

I want to get on board the linux meme since there's no way I'm switching to windows 10.
I tried to run some games through wine and I had some pretty good luck with a lot of my older PC games from 2000-2006 as well as Morrowind via openmw.
However, literally none of my non-Linux Steam games will even launch through Proton. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

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>no good software
Oh look, another graphic designer. Suddenly, whenerver there is a windows vs linux thread, everyone has a profession where they need some specialzed software that only works in windows.

going to a forum for dedicated help might be best since these threads eventually die off. have you confirmed they're good to go in the proton DB or wine DB?
no user, you don't understand, i NEEEEED the newest photoshop. seriously, i need it. no joke, i can't use linux because of it so linux sucks. also i need to make super high quality music and graphics stuff, so i can't use linux. nevermind that pixar uses linux for making all of their movies.

>Keeping software and drivers up to date without having every single program have their separate launcher to check for updates
I find the exact opposite as many important devices simply don't have good drivers or any drivers at all. I find windows to actually be excellent at keeping drivers up to date via windows update. If you want to install custom nvidia/intel/amd shite that updates their own drivers too, you can, but you don't need to at all.

>More customization and control over how stuff looks
Too a degree. But only in the "having no job mean i have no freedom", but forgetting that not having money limits freedom. You have access to control a lot more stuff in linux, but a lot of the things most people will want to do is either impossible or too time consuming to be worth it, when such things are simple on windows.

>When you use 15 mins to understand how packages work its easier to install new software
Until you need to install something not available in your package manager, so you need to use multiple package managers. Then some stuff doesn't use the package managers at all, and it can actually get pretty messy. For the faults in Windows installer.exe system, almost all software follows this pattern and can be uninstalled in a consistent intuitive way.

>The only thing thats "better" out of the box on windows is that you don't need to read 5 min install guide to use normie stuff like photoshop
Exactly. anything "normie" is harder to do on linux. So long as all you want to do is program, use the web and play around with the guts of linux and have fun with it, that's fine.

>everyone has a profession where they need some specialzed software that only works in windows.
Is that not because most people do?

I like zathura and I'm not even a keyboard zealot, rodent hating vim fag.
mpv is nice too, I wish there were more software like those two.

>nevermind that pixar uses linux for making all of their movies.
To render on them. The animators use Mac OS. Steve Jobs was president of Pixar. You'd think he'd have everyone using Linux for everything? Linux is good for servers. Not so much for desktop.

No, most people only need a web browser, an office suite and something for music/videos.

What kinds of jobs? Most jobs are going to have some kind of custom software related to their industry. Which almost certainly only has a windows version.

user, the generic drivers for linux are quite good. I don't need to install keyboard drivers every time i plug a new keyboard into my machine, or a different port in the same machine the keyboard was already plugged into. hell, my 10 button EPIC(TM) gaming mouse just works from plug in with generic drivers, no 'installing device driver' message. My printer also works the same. Windows also has the annoying habit of not actually updating shit besides microsoft stuff. everything else you need to have a separate check for and have to update on their own schedules.
>to a degree
this is blatantly false. sure you can install a ton of executable nonsense to get windows to emulate shit that can be done on linux with a package or two (which also works flawlessly together), but it's not even on the same level. windows is ass for that stuff.
>packages
one command on arch, 2 or 3 on debian based systems. uninstall is 1 line and can be aliased to a single fucking character if a line of text is so hard to remember. and it'll also remove all unused dependencies unlike windows which leaves shit everywhere.
>linux is only good if you want to dig into it
you know nothing about linux, you cannot seriously make these claims.
you'd be surprsied how much software works on linux, or linux has an entirely viable if not better alternative.

I obviously don’t mean generic drivers. GPU drivers. Printer drivers. Graphic tablets. Bluetooth hubs. Ect ect.

Not yet.
I'm still waiting for further support of games, 3rd party programs for some specific tasks and then sure I'll switch.
> inb4 there are open source options lmao
Not all of them are actually as functional as their Windows counterparts.

How may of those job require (or hell, LET you have) that specialized software license on your home PC, rather than an office one?

>gpu drivers
vulkan and AMD make ones that work fine
>printer drivers
generic, the 'brother' brand printers work great.
>graphic tablets
i don't draw and shit so i have no experience
>bluetooth
same as above, but with the amount of time companies are putting into linux, i'm sure it's not as bad as one would think.

I’ve been using linux since 1998. I’ve heard people claiming shit like “you’d be surprised what actually works better” and every single time they are acutely deluded. Invariably blind to all the issues linux causes them, as they just dismiss every issue with “well it’s free so can’t complain” but at the same time tell others it’s actually flat out better. I hear the same thing every single year. Every now and again i set up a linux desktop install just to see what’s changed. Things have certainly improved, but many of the same issues are still there and when you point then out you have the same characters who tell me I probably never uses it, or just hate that it’s not like windows. And I talk with then enough just in case they are right and it always ends up that really things still are very buggy/broken compared to windows.

Desktop linux is a very impressive community achievement. But it’s not in the same leagues as windows and OS X.

Gpu, printer, tablets and bluetooth have all worked without a problem for me on every pc I've used. Even passed bluetooth to a VM without a problem a few years ago when a gadget I had didn't have software that i couldn't run in wine and had to make a VM for it.
The only thing is that tablets have shoddy support in wine I'll give you that

Wacom tablets work fine on linux. I know because I use one.

>but many of the same issues are still there
Doesn't list a single one

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Jesus Christ. Things are still that bad? I still need to make sure i have a *specific* major brand gpu and printer? If i use nVidia I’m fucked? I honestly didn’t know linux was still that shit.

i'm not going to dismiss it with 'it's free so can't complain' i'm going to say open a fucking ticket for the issue you have so not only does it get fixed for you, but it gets fixed for everyone else.
>buggy broken compared to windows
>here's your forced update that deletes your entire hard drive :3
brother was an example, user. because that's the one i use and have experience with. the onus is on nvidia since they actively try to NOT make their shit work on linux.

Everything works, but amd has open source drivers for the gpu's so they are better while nvidia makes their own driver and releases it so its a little worse

>i'm going to say open a fucking ticket for the issue you have so not only does it get fixed for you, but it gets fixed for everyone else.
LOL! I was actually going to mention this. When you ever complain about linux someone gets mad and says “just open a ticket” or “fix it yourself, it’s free!”.

Or i can just use Windows or OS X where I don’t need to do anything like that because all the basics just work.

How about this dreadful filepicker that appears every time you want to upload something to Yea Forums?

I hope you like KDE because that's the only place where you can get a proper tile preview of your image folders.

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I read years ago nVidia wouldn’t support mesa, and thus desktop composting wouldn't work on nVidia cards. Sometimes standard on windows since fucking vista. Is that shit still a thing? There’s always retarded shit like this on linux that the user needs to fucking deal with.

Well at least you revealed yourself shitposter
Do some research at least next time
OSX cant even merge folders
howtogeek.com/198043/how-to-merge-folders-on-mac-os-x-without-losing-all-your-files-seriously/

Because the draw of Linux is being open source and there's like 3 good open source games

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Someone about to get mad at you for not liking KDE. Or not submitting a ticket to gnome. It’s been this way since the 90s.

>mac os x can’t merge folders.
>links to page explaining how to merge folders on os x.
Smart guy this one.

Im just waiting the day Microsoft put an end Windows 7 and im going full manjaro, i dont are if i have to wine shit, i can play Doom anytime and thats all i need as a gamer.

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>without losing files
>merging folders in mac OS 'basically' results in you losing files
>this is acceptable

>Linux gets games
>just in time for epic to start taking over and dumpster it again

Oh well

Wine is not an emulator, that's literally what it stands for.

The article litterally says how to do it without losing files. Sometimes you just claimed was impossible.

I switched almost a year ago and don't even have dual boot setup now. No turning back at this point. I'm really enjoying it so far, and Linux is so much more fucking stable than win10.

Check on ProtonDB if those games are fucked for everyone or just you
Also take a look at Lutris to see if it offers any options for those games.

i'm not him. secondly, the fact that it needed instructions on how to NOT lose files at all is the laughable bit.

It literally is, unless you have a very contrarian definition for “emulator”. It maps windows apis to linux apis. Just like a normal nes emulating maps nes cpu op codes to x86 ones.

KDE would be the best desktop ever if it didn't keep freezing on so many applications or making icons disappear whenever it feels like it.

>Can't view thumbnails in browser image selection
UNACCEPTABLE
>Need guide to merge two folders without losing files
This is just how an OS is supposed to work

>KDE would be good if it was good
A lot of desktop linux summed up right there.

reminder that windows 10 has frequent desktop icon flashing and this is considered acceptable

The irony isn't lost on me. It's really gotten that bad. At least debian won't install candy crush of its own volition.

What are you talking about?

Nah, a lot of them are good but have niche problems like that filepicker. Thing with KDE is that it has aspirations to be the very best in both customizability and usability, but its problems are nothing but niche.

This is probably my least favourite thing about windows. Main thing that makes me miss OS X.

superuser.com/questions/1330350/windows-explorer-refreshes-desktop-icons-each-time-something-opens-a-file
appuals.com/stop-windows-10-taskbar-and-desktop-refreshing/
there's an user that posts a thread about it in /g/ as well, couldn't find it but it's in the archives.
and before you say
>but that doesn't happen to me
maybe, just maybe, anons KDE problem doesn't happen to many others either.

Wine doesn't do any cpu emulation, and if perfectly translated it wouldn't have the performance loss of an actual emulator.
We're not emulating the powerPC or ARM architecture here, we're translating graphics api's.

But Candy Crush is a feature
We need Candy Crush integrated into Linux kernel if we want it to become the ultimate gaming OS

Someone in that post claims it can be the result of bad video drivers. I’ve never seen this before.

i can dig through the /g/ archive, it's not related to graphics drivers.

I know. It’s an API emulator, not a CPU emulator.

Go for it.

I use linux all the time at work. I use it a good bit at home too but I am not going to pretend it's a replacement for Windows when it comes to gaming or that it makes all that much sense for it to be used by normal people in general.

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Well when you type
>Just like a normal nes emulating maps nes cpu op codes to x86 ones.
It makes me think you don't understand that, because it's a world of difference in performance.

Thank you sane person. Linux is really fucking cool desu. But as a desktop OS it’s much more of a nerdy toy than something that’s particularly good for normies, or general desktop work.

archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/70222883/#70222883

Of course i know they have different performance. I simply said they are both “emulation”.

It's almost like you tried to pick examples of shit that works out of the box 99% of the time.

>tfw wear a XL (somestimes 3XL) even though I can fit in a medium

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Does this slider actually do something? It might be placebo, but it really seems like games run smoother when I drag it to the right, despite getting same framerate readings.

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The very thread you linked says the issue is fixed now. I guess that’s why i never saw it? A “redraw command usually shouldn't mean something flicks either.. hmm.

Don’t nvidia gpus still not support mesa?

the point is, UI issues that happen to some anons, in any OS, may or may not happen to others. the existence of the UI issues whether they are fixed presently or not, does not mean the entire UI is shit. And, in the case of a linux UI, users have the ability to change quite easily where windows users do not. anyway, i got shit to do. have a good one.

>apt
but this is Yea Forums, use pacman

Crux of the matter is, I simply don't trust Microsoft anymore and I doubt that'll change soon. I only run barebones windows with steam in a dual boot setup, but I don't even open a web browser in there. Linux isn't perfect, but it's the only escape from MS.

I completely disagree. Windows users are the ones who tend to not have any issues in the first place. Linux users have to choose between putting up with broken shit or switching to a different desktop manager or something that might have just as many different problems. There’s rare any “good enough for everyone” options in linux as far as the UI stack goes. Desktop composing isn’t even standard yet in fucking 2019. That an actual serious problem. An icon flickering sometimes is not.

there's a difference between framerate and frametimes/spikes

user please, you talk as if Windows users didn't have loads of desktop problems this decade. Is becoming fuckugly after W7 not a serious usability problem? Is burying useful legacy menus way under awful new tablet shit not an issue? Are forced update that may or may not change menu layouts desirable?
You can argue all you want about how Windows runs certain software better than Linux and you'll be right. But as far as plain desktop environment goes, moderl linux fucking DEMOLISHES wangblows.

>installing botnet DRM just to play games

Current gen console + emulation on Linux is the best combo.

who /xfeceswithcompton/ here?

i'm on linux right now
got a windows install for newer games that don't play well with proton
i wish there was something like bluestack on linux, i tried every option and the performance is just trash or it doesnt support the apps i want to run
anbox is the best i could find

At least you could stay on windows 7, and windows 10 is fine. Also none of these issues harmed performance like they do on Linux.

Weird to mention settings being “buried”, when a so many linux setting can only be changed be editing text file and restarting the relevant services. There’s such a blindness among linux users to the problems of linux.

so... a windows vm with gpu passthrough?

tried anbox?
anbox.io/

>windows 10 is fine
Every time I open start I'm reminded of my awful old lumia because that's exactly where the code behind this start menu came from. For 4 years every time I opened settings I was blinded by a giant window of white nothingness because it took them until 2019 to add a dark theme. Every time I edit pretty much any system settings I'm thrown back and forth between neo material design menus and classic windows dating back to XP because fuck consistency.
No, W10 does not look good by any stretch of imagination. Any usability beyond 'normie' stuff is in the shitter too, the only reason you can find anything in that fuckfest is because you have 20 years of experience.

Would you say this is a nice place to start ?
heiko-sieger.info/running-windows-10-on-linux-using-kvm-with-vga-passthrough/

yes

>At least you could stay on windows 7
Support ends in 8 months, and it already has hardware that isn't fully supported.

>Also none of these issues harmed performance like they do on Linux.
Not sure what you're talking about.
Nvidia's drivers are literally the same, and have the same performance.
AMD drivers are better, and can be up to 2x as fast.
In most apples to apples comparisons GNU/Linux comes out on top.

You suffer a little running legacy games that use non-standard APIs like D3D11, but even there the hit is minimal thanks to DXVK.
The same will be true of whatever solution people come up with to use Wine on Windows 10 after Microsoft discontinues their support for their own legacy compatibility layer and goes UWP+D3D12 only.
If Windows is still open enough to allow a third-party win32 compatibility solution by then.