If you actually agree with this, you have tainted your oppinion in endless nostalgia
while i do agree that sometimes it's good to look back and enjoy some of the fun to still be had, you can't be fucking saying that Space Invaders for the Atari 2600 is better than Red Dead Redemption 2 on the PS4
Old games are fun, but to ignore actual merit in competent, fun and good games.
Also i've been seeing a growing hate for "Games As A Service" but honestly i like it. Id rather have 15x the content a game like COD4 (Which is a perfectly god tier game and i have no complaints) at the price of having some 10 y/o kid spending extra money of *OPTIONAL* cosmetics
You do know that free updates need to have a way of earning money that isn't "just buy the game lol" otherwise the devs will not get payed for their hard earned money, that or your angry because perfectly piratable games are now updated and you can't crack it as easily.
I will enevitable be called a shill, but i just don't give a fuck anymore. You guys are the opinion-less beasts you claim to slay
Sorry for the bad grammar in parts, i typed this up pretty fast.
Christian Ramirez
yeah, those are bad not even i like those
I'd rather games have direct purchases
Camden Brooks
>otherwise the devs will not get payed for their hard earned money, LOL it's called a budget, you fuck.
Matthew Hernandez
Yeah, budgets go to making the game. But then how the fuck does the game make money?
That is the point of a buisness after all. Otherwise the next game won't have a budget at all.
Nicholas Morales
>Likes games as a service Yes I love it when games could die at any moment and I simply lose the product I paid for
Blake Scott
devs get paid for the work they do, not how well the game sells. you don't even know what you're talking about and yet you attempt to defend it.
Jackson Mitchell
>But then how the fuck does the game make money? by selling copies. is this a serious question? if publishers and devs stop inflating their budgets with graphics and marketing then they would make so much more money by just focusing on making the game decent instead of throwing cash away in an attempt to get attention.
Leo Adams
Yeah, good point. But everything in life has it's good things and bad things.
>when games could die at any moment Me personaly, i don't see many games go offline as much as people claim.
Juan Ortiz
nah, games were just better when you actually had to have good gameplay along side good presentation. now you can just do the generic "realistic" graphical art direction and throw in bullshit realism. rdr2 got so much praise, now no one gives a fuck about it. literally the avatar of video games.
No good game lasts longer than 15 hours. Imagine unironically being a contentcuck good lord.
Christian Reed
it's not about having a shitty internet connection, user. it's about the serivce provider just going 'meh, we don't want to host that game anymore' or 'we don't feel like that game is making us enough money' and then revoking your ability to enjoy it. why are you defending shit you CLEARLY haven't thought about?
Hudson Myers
Still, how do you make game after game with basically 3x the content games used to have with rising and rising budgets
You try to make some extra money, but not like EA level bullshit. More of Warframe level ok-ness
Blake Stewart
I guess you could think that
But i still find the game fun hours on end
Dominic Kelly
>how do you make game after game with basically 3x the content games used to have with rising budgets you picked an arbitrary number so unless you source that '3x' amount i'm just going to assume it's 1x. As for how, maybe stop inflating budgets, hiring top tier voice actors and spending millions on animations.
Jayden Garcia
OP is a retarded child who doesn't know dick about game development or the business world in general and actually thinks that ANY of the returns go to the developers as opposed to the publishers.
Josiah Clark
Yeah, pretty good point. Yet still, you could say the same about games with online multiplayer components
Adam Cox
>with rising and rising budgets you stop spending so much on production. this is not difficult to understand. >game is more of a niche title and not something like GTA which they can shit in a case and still make money --> curtail the spending on production and just focus on things that contribute to gameplay instead of mocap and particle effects.
Charles Young
yes, and there are plenty of MMOs that have died due to exactly that happening. The reason you don't hear about it for single player games yet is because, obviously, they aren't offered entirely as a service. GaaS inb4 braap is shit, please stop defending it
Adrian Smith
So games should go back to being 16-bit Bleep Bloop Bing Bing Wahoo fests?
Thing are supposed to get better over time you know? Bigger budgets are just a effect of it
Mason Ross
Except I can still play the singleplayer portions, and for games with community server tools I can play them online indefinitely (see: a game you fucking mentioned in the OP, CoD 4). Games as a service is shit.
Christian Garcia
>false dichotomy better != MOAR GRAPHICS, MOAR AAA VAS MOAR ADVERTISING. please stop defending something you know nothing about.
Carter Carter
OP is the average modern consolefag. Just remember that when you swear up and down that streaming won't kill consoles.
Daniel Davis
>consolefag Not a console fag, i have 362 hours on PC F:NV >streaming will kill consoles Game streaming is even worse that what you claim games as a service is. You can't even play singleplayer games without a constant connection
Elijah Martin
>F:NV Consolebabby's first PC game, that only proves my point.
Bentley Wright
I can get where you're coming from, but i think that companies should be free to make money unless they're actively doing actual crimes
And i can respect you opinion even though mine is different.
Noah Peterson
>as long as they're not doing ACTUAL crimes, it should be not only allowed but encouraged now i know you're just being stupid on purpose.
Caleb Lee
I play arma 3 and CSGO If you want some more qualifications
How can you not understand that you can sell a product unless it is not exactly that product
If you buy a always online game with in game purchases, you get a always online game with in game purchases. If you buy a Singleplayer game, You get a singleplayer game
And you don't get a virus or fake product
Isaac Murphy
What else do you want me to play? Games that poor polish factory workers get from GOG?
They're good games that i like to play as good games, not to make a checklist of how much of a "epic super mega ultra gamer" i am.
John Gutierrez
what the fuck are you even arguing anymore? >If you buy a always online game with in game purchases, you get a always online game with in game purchases. If you buy a Singleplayer game, You get a singleplayer game and if your game is run through a streaming service then you lose access to that game for any reason, valid or not, at any moment that the streaming service provider decides that they don't want to host that game anymore. A multiplayer game stored locally can still be loaded up, perhaps played, and maybe even have self hosted servers in the event the main servers go down. this cannot happen in a game streaming scenario. >And you don't get a virus or fake product ok, you don't get those on non-streaming games either unless you're fucking retarded.
Andrew Powell
I'm a simple man for sure. I like things simple. I give you money you give me the game.
Not a disc that needs the patches to work that I cant archive. Not a "content roadmap". It is very concerning that Nintendo just up and pulled all your digital games.
Just give me a game to keep thanks.
Luckily I will never run out of PS2 games. I just bought my 5th PS2 (slim ceramic white, always wanted one).
Cooper Walker
Playing PC games doesn't mean you're not a consolefag m8. My cousin plays Fortnite on his laptop, doesn't mean he's not a consolefag.
Thomas Johnson
I'm not talking about Google's shitty game streaming service that's coming up. I'm talking about games that get big updates due to people supporting the creators, which allows companies to get the devs back for another round of making shit for the game (Eg. Rainbow Six Siege And Fortnite [though i'd be inclined to say that tencent money is in there for fortnite])
Joseph Cox
Or they could just release the game with mod tools and server tools so the community can make their own content. This is what that other user means when he calls you a consolefag.
Cameron Diaz
I have a classic PS4 collecting dust for 4 years in a closet if you want to keep claiming that i mainly play on console
Plus i've never owned a Xbox One Or Switch
Parker Phillips
>I have a classic PS4 collecting dust for 4 years in a closet >you can't be fucking saying that Space Invaders for the Atari 2600 is better than Red Dead Redemption 2 on the PS4
They'd support the creators by purchasing the game to begin with. This is how investments work >publisher offers up $1,000,000 for a dev studio to make a game >they make the game on budget, they get paid. >game sells, income goes in to the publisher >publisher wants to release a new 'big update' >they estimate and invest $500,000 for the update >dev studio makes the updates, get paid >update sells, or doesn't if you're talking about 'free' updates, then those update costs just come out of the income that resulted in the base game being sold. this isn't hard, there's no need for them to nickle and dime to drum up money for more updates. They have the foresight and ability to estimate how much this shit will cost, they account for it.
Elijah Gutierrez
Yeah, it's not a fucking statue in the closet. If there's a game that i can't play on my PC it can be pulled out
Brayden Stewart
>"My PS4 has been sitting in my closet collecting dust for 4 years!" >"Except when I take it out to play PS4 games."
I can i agree with you on certain parts, yet i still can enjoy a good game in the end of the day.
Plus it's like 1AM, I need some shut eye.
See later anons
Ayden Phillips
I honestly hope you're underage or trolling, otherwise I can see you getting scammed by check fraud and then feeling 100% in the right when the bank holds you accountable.
Carter Wright
>better call it quits when i can't offer up any good arguments for my employ....favorite companies.
Logan White
>i've been seeing a growing hate for "Games As A Service" but honestly i like it Stopped reading there. No space invaders isn't the best game ever, but literally nobody says that. Seiken Densetsu 3 isn't the best game ever either, but it's one of the best snes jrpgs and a fuck ton better than every mana game after the ps1 era.
