He makes a good point

Fuck western devs, they hate us so why should we support them? You decided to work for that big shitty corporation, now lick that boot wagie

Yea Forums: Tranny defence force

Doesn't really have a good ring to it, does it? Get fucked. OP

nu-Yea Forums doesn't care because the (((based))) corporations are firing someone who's gay because /pol/ told them to hate them, the companies could hire a bunch of Chinese code monkeys, fire everyone and charge $1000 plus tip per game but nu-Yea Forums woulnd't mind because some trans person got fired in the process

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Makes sense.
Difficulty shit/crappy politics/lootbox sleaze are all things that affect the gamer
Working conditions and pay are the problem of the developer.
Would you expect the guy who buys a corolla from Toyota to get up in arms ar his car not being safe, having faulty paint or something similar, or that Shoji and tetsuo don't get paid enough in the factory?

I don't care about game devs the same way I don't care about the guy making my McDonald's burger.

I literally don't give a shit about game devs, if I did I wouldn't pirate every single video game I play.

what are you even talking about

I pretty much hate 70% of devs because they're entitled twats so I enjoy whenever some horror story about a game development's working conditions comes out.

I love furry cunny!

the comic, can you read?

unions are not how you create better conditions

in after a redditor SEETHING over one of his many boogeymen

Ok to ask another question who are the game Devs you look up to, if you're inspired to become a dev who should you be following?

Yes because the union debate is that simple and black and white.
Here's your (You), you can go back to discord now.

Source?

If the working conditions of the employee doesn't negatively impact the product then the consumer is hardly likely to care, this goes for anything. If working conditions are that bad even why is it up to the consumer to make demands on behalf of the employees?

game """developers""" are scum and deserve worse

it's a team based thing so what games and what did you like about them do you like is really a better way to plan your career

why the fuck should gamers care about the working conditions of game developers?

This, a shitload of products I use are directly or indirectly linked to child labor. Game devs making slightly less money than they’d like is not really an issue.

>filename
time to go back, nigger.

Gamers are consumers, why would they have to fight for the rights of someone in the production chain. These are grown adults, they should stand up for their own interests.

Ask yourself this; do gamedevs care about you? No. They care only about forcing their beliefs on you.

>implying that's the average overworked game dev's fault
You drank the koolaid.

things that happened inside my head

meant for

Not many other industries resort to defaming customers that don't enjoy one of their products. I think I'll just enjoy their suffering.

>solid, steady work in an air-conditioned office with a consistent schedule where you don't have to deal with screaming kids, asshole customers, workplace hazards, or anything else like that

What's the complaint here? That they don't make 7 figures and get 3 months of paid vacation?

Game developer working condition problems are first world problems even in the working environment of the first world.

That shit makes no sense.
If gamers "rose up" why the fuck would the focus be on game developers?
They're literally the people that put in lootboxes and cut shit out to sell as DLC. My concern as a player of games is playing a game I enjoy. It's not my responsibility to make sure the games are made correctly.

Why should they obsess over trannies?

NO NO BROS WHY
WHY DO I HAVE TO WORK HARD NOOOOO
WHY BROS WHY DO WE NEED TO FOLLOW DEADLINES WHY???? HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO MEEEEE?????
NOBODY TOLD ME I NEEDED TO WORK HARD FUCK FUCK FUUUUCK

I'm currently working as a butcher, do you care with the fact that everyday i'm risking losing a finger while i work? No, what matters to you is a nice suculent steak at your plate during dinner and that's absolutely right, it's my problem, i need to take various precautions so i not lose a finger someday. It's the same with game devs, they need to fight for themselves, gamers care more about politics in gaming and gaming difficulty because it directly affects their experience with games, just like a good or bad steak directlys affects your well deserved dinner at the end of the day.

Because traps are gay

>100 hour weeks with no overtime
>rushing work or risk getting fired
keep licking that boot, your bosses are laughing that you're mad at each other and not them.

>have a certain skillset
>choose to work at the worst fucking choice possible in terms of quality of life and compensation because "i wanna be da video game :DDDD"
>complain about said conditions
>want to do something about it
>get fired because there's 100 "i wanna be da bideo games :DDDDD" retards wanting to take your space
such is life

I have a good job.
I have no reason to subsidize the dumb.

this

But I'm all for unsustainable working conditions in AAA studios.

It is the fastest way to crash this industry with no survivors.

Only good comes from this.

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Consumers have literally no control over the working conditions of industry employees.

is that guy baiting? what is he trying to accomplish?

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Yeah mate, try a bank. They always need coders

Reminder those ''people'' screaming for gamedev unions are all failed indie devs.

If workers in the games industry actually had a problem with their working conditions then they would stop working in the games industry or pool resources to create their own publishing companies, which would fix the problem, as publishers would have to improve conditions to retain talent.

If you cared so much about not working long hours and getting good benefits why didn't you just work hard during university and get a good government job?

Can anyone answer me why working devs way past overtime with no actual overtime pay and the risk of being fired if they say no is okay?

>what is he trying to accomplish?
O U T R A G E and um... C O R P O R A T I O N S B A D

>more secure working conditions for game developers
is game development a high-risk job?

>Implying White Collar workers need unions
>Impying any westerm dev isn’t 90% “””marketing”””

>AAA western vidya hasn't been in an atrocious awful state since the past gen
And that part if the industry is the only one with enough resources to really move the medium forward with complex physics, real lightning, better AI etc.
If you actually care about vidya you support the industry becoming better.

>I'm currently working as a butcher, do you care with the fact that everyday i'm risking losing a finger while i work?
I certainly don't WANT you to lose a finger while you work and would have an issue if you were working on conditions that didn't attempt to mitigate accidents as much as possible like if you were asked to put meat to the razor with your teeth or something.

I don't HAVE to fight for your work safety rights but as an empathetic human being I place your life above the literal dead meat that you cut. If your point is that most people aren't empathetic human beings then congratulations you've solved the formula.

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They can leave if they want. There's another 50 people waiting to take their place. That's why

fuck western devs

Cool blog

Because if retard games industry workers are willing to work under those conditions, they deserve it.

>enough resources to realy move the medium forward

yeah right, they're moving the industry in the wrong direction, I hope they crash and burn

So why don't publishers just hire more people to develop the game? Given that it's evidently cheaper to hire 2 people to work 40 hours each rather than have one guy work 80 per week, I find it odd that they don't grasp that basic fact.

why do americans suck corporation cock so much?

>they leave
>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>they leave
>they deserve to be treated like shit if they want to work

>Better working conditions.
>Under capitalism.

They're just going to call you "an entitled white female" and take all your money to China.

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>western devs literally do nothing but shit on their customers on social media
>ruin every old IP with postmodern identity politics
>hurr durr how come they dont like us

That's a worse image for a company.

The modern game devs need to learn the power of the "leave and make my own game studio".
It is the gear that keep the cogs in place.

Ask atari what happens when developers do that, oh wait, you can't. It's dead and all that remains is a pelt that an armadillo is wearing to pretend it is atari.

Because providing benefits is expensive so it's cheaper to work one person 80 hours than 2 people 40 hours.

>i support communism because i want better conditions for the workers!

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But better working conditions has nothing to do with removing toxic personal politics of game devs from games.

>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less
>>they leave
>>the new 50 get forced to work just as hard and most likely payed less

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>they deserve to be treated like shit if they want to work
exactly

>If you don’t demand 7 month paid vacations and want market teams that want you dead to be happy, then you must suck corparate dick

He definitively needs to.

Bread and Circuses. You can't afford rent, but it's okay. Disney is making movies!

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I wan to maek da bido gaem

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Makes you wonder why they choose to work for big companies instead of creating their own and making a game themselves

>They're just going to call you "an entitled white female"
t. things that never happened

he can do that to himself op isn't worth raping

THINK OF THOSE POOR MULTIBILLION CORPORATIONS

Seething tranny

ITT: The bottom 2 panels

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I'm just saying the workers shouldn't be forced to work over time with no benefits and a risk of being fired if they say no. What's wrong with job security and benefits for working more than expected? You think your boss is going to give you a raise if you keep defending him?

I thought it was funny. Too bad the rest of Yea Forums won't because they can't stop spewing the corporate semen that comes out of their mouth

>field gets oversaturated because the pay is good and work is easy
>losers are surprised when conditions worsen
You people are in for a real fucking shitshow when this generation of college grads pumps out another 12% of code monkey CS majors. These long hours and threats of replacement will become straight up unemployment.

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Funny thing is that these people would refuse, since they don’t want to admit that being a CEO is more than just owning a company and swimming in money vaults.

Why do software engineers make so much more than game developers? Is it the education?

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I was just pointing out that the comic is wrong about demanding that gamers care more/just as much about devs working conditions and the quality of a product they buy with their money and affects their experiences. One is a thousand times more personal than the other, demanding equal thought from people is out of reality itself. That was my point. But yeah, you could say that the comic is also pointing that people in general are cunts, i guess that's right, it's just not what why absorbed the most.

Agreed, half of it is literally taking the blame for anything that goes wrong. Maybe they'll learn one day

>FUCKING GAMERS FIX MY PROBLEMS REEEEEEEEEE
Holly hell, the entitlement of these game devs.

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American Corporatism needs to be deleted

Because the big companies will:

A) Smother your company to nothing

Or:

B) They will buy your company, own you, and force you to fire a bunch of people, all over again.

Enjoy your sharepod.

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We've become very reliant on material goods to fulfill our lives to the point that the state of said goods has higher priority over everything and anything.

Some people really do treat something like E3 press conferences as a holy sanctity that they need every year or their world will crumble. Nintendo could announce that they aren't doing any directs this year because everyone in the companies child just died and they are mourning the loss and people would be fucking livid.

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Hey OP it's nice how you're trying so hard to fit in, but it really isn't working. You should really stop embarrassing yourself and go back to redit.

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WELCOME TO Yea Forums

>He makes a good point
>demands X from ethereal whos
Their career choice is 100% their fault. Them either ignoring the fact that they were getting into an horrible field of work or plain not doing their research is absolutely on them.

>demand better working conditions for game developers
>meaning giving devs control of their means of production
>turns out nobody in the USA wants socialism after all
we want to play our games, not apologize to them

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This but unironically.

getting paid to sit on your ass drinking coffee at a computer making half assed games sounds like a dream, fuck these niggers
make better games then i'll care

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I much prefer the oligarchy to people who work owning their work because... reasons.

Supply.
Software is "boring" so the hoards of manchildren don't want to do it, but software is also more valuable to corporations (where the money actually is).

/pol/ hates big companies and company cock-suckers.

Like trannies going "YASSS SLAAAY" at a straight actor playing a gay man on TV, while tranny can't wven afgord rent.

THIS

>Why would I give a shit about the people that provide the only entertainment in my life

Don't like, games is all you have

That's not my problem. Fight your own fights, faggot.

>forced to work

They can quit anytime. It's not like someone would point a gun to their head if they said they were going somewhere else.

being a western game dev is one of the easiest jobs in the world, yet these bitches cant stop crying for a second

The A) is easy enough to avoid, just do games that don't compete with big companies, which nowadays means just do games instead of gambling machines

B) you avoid by not turning your company into a public trading company, it's a bit hard because as soon you start to have any sort of success, you will be surrounded with literal kyubeys trying to sweet talk you into making that contract.

>people who hate my demographic, want to make my hobby into an annual movie franchise, and will throw a fit if i don't end every sentence with "sorry" based solely on the color of my skin want me to be on their side
i gain nothing from making your seat comfier and you're not going to thank me
let go of your hate and we'll talk about it

>C O R P O R A T I O N S B A D

Yes, and?

>/pol/ hates big companies
>rallies around garbage holes like Chick Fil A because they like to use Baby Jesus to make money from a certain demographic

I'm sure THOSE guys aren't trve /pvl/t though.

Ahem! 4channel is an pro-lgbtq site.

Get fucked, /pol/turds.

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This is a retarded double standard

How many of these woke retards are refusing to drink coffee or eat chocolate or buy cheap chinese toys because of those horrific working conditions?

Why are consumers all of a sudden the ones responsible when it comes to games snd not the greedy fuckers running the company?

They will, the moment they demand better payment.

You are more likely to get a pay-down than a pay-up.

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TRANNY JANNIES TRYING TO CENSOR ME, I GOT A COUPLE WORDS FOR YOU, SUCK MY DICK, CHOKE ON IT

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>quit
>no income
>Lose house, can't buy food, die
Okay

literally unionize, what the fuck do they want me to do?

Holy shit the reddit spacing meme was real after all!

And yet /pol/ can't stop defending them anytime they think they upset "loltrannies".

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Bitch I don’t fucking play video games

because workers that don't work for the bourgeois will produce only things the bourgeois don't want to buy.
then either the workers go bankrupt, or they get the government to step in and force the bourgeois to buy stuff at gunpoint
the former leads to economic collapse, the latter to a police state

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I can't believe Yea Forums is so dedicated to being ironically contrarian that the board almost universally agrees that game devs, the people providing them the kind of entertainment that they love enough to come to a chinese image board for austistic gamers to talk about it, are not worth a modicum of thought. Its amazing really.

So you want to have two corrupt greedy bosses instead of just one?

retard

Do you know now buying companies even works?
There are also tons of successful indie studios/single people who have made extremely successful games.

American employees in general have been mega cucked by their employers and made to think that being overworked is a good thing. We're basically just a few short steps away from Japan's, where they're happy to die from working too much.

>Jason ''if you like big tits you're a pedo'' (((Schreier)))

How long until western studios start selling games with a "Cruelty free!" logo on them?

UHH IF GAME DEVS, OR RETARDS AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM, DONT WANT TO WORK LONG HOURS THEN JUST QUIT! YOUR NOT FORCED TO WORK THERE, LIKE NIGGER JUST WALK AWAY LMAO

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>gamers rise up
>for game related topics?
>no, to get more money for people who hate you
I guess it is accurate

If you actually read the thread, you will see people do give a shit to the devs, but think the solution the guy that did the comic is proposing will not work, and that instead they should do the tried and true approach of just leaving the company and making their own.

>quit
>find another job outside of the games industry because you're an affluent, educated, white collar worker in a developed, first world economy
>be fine
Okay

Its because if you don't overwork, then you get fired because theres some other naive poor schmo who is willing to overwork. So even if you know its not a good thing, you still are kinda stuck.

Leave the janitors out of this. They're working hard to make sense of this shithole.

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based

NO NO NO WE SPENT ALL OUR TIME BROWSING REDDIT AND NOW WE NEED TO WORK MORE TO MEET THE DEADLINE
THIS INDUSTRY IS FUCKING CORRUPT AND EVIL

if they don't want to work slave hours, that's the price they're gonna have to pay.

Okay.

But we're making cartridges for your system.

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Because /pol/ realizes the western world and all its problems is just one big joke, and they just laugh all the way to the bank.

Consumer doesn't benefit from better work environment, in fact he looses.

You needs to boycott publishers not giving me enough money/overworking me or I'll call you a fat lower that needs to have sex.

Yea Forums loves Eastern game devs, not the shitty code monkeys with political adgendas who don’t even code in the first place, and all of which are ruining the game industry.
In fact, it would be contrarian to support these faggots.

Or they can just leave and make their own company.
Game development is not a spring factory. The machines are also the employees, and when the employees leave, they take the "game manufacturing machine" with em.

TRANNY JANNY SHILLS TRYING TO KEEP THE GOOD VIDEO GAME POSTERS DOWN! STOP LIKING JANNY DICK CUMSMOKER!

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Schadenfreude.

This is a bipartisan problem. Stop treating it like a competition to "own" the other side.

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>commies hijacking and derailing movements is a good thing

Because it's something to complain about!

If you don't want to do something that is convenient for my political ideological hivemind then you SHOULD just die for our convenience 2bh, I'm not seeing a problem.

Stop it.

Now.

Or else.

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Stop talking about me behind my back. If you want to say something say it to my face.

There has not been a single good non-japanese inspired game since 2011.
Give me 1 good reason why I should care about western devs who aren’t indie.

But i don't want better working conditions for game devs.
In fact i want them to suffer and slowly wither away.

This is like saying people who buy groceries at the grocery store should fight for the shelf stockers. What a joke.

Game devs are one of those fields where unionising really would make a big difference.

It's not easy to replace a functioning dev team if they all go in on a strike. Even if you get scabs from India or something, it takes an enormous amount of time and money to train and get them working, and the product will suffer.

This gives the workers a lot of leverage, but only if they work together.

Men can't get raped.

Carl Panzram proved that theory wrong!

WHY? IM THE HIGHEST QUALITY POSTER IN THIS THREAD, AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GO CRAWL BACK TO WHATEVER LATIN AMERICAN SHITHOLE YOU CAME FROM!

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/pol/ is filled to the brim with people struggling to pay rent. When they laugh at situations like this, is to laugh at corporate cocksuckers eating theor own shit.

>I will change the world from within! By firing everybody who disagrees with me!
>wtf, why did I lose my job????

We keep telling you, but you fuckers don't listen. You'd rather blame a working class for the problems caused by the rich.

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>caring or playing western games
pfffffffffffffffffffffffffAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Unions actually hurt employees far more than they help because you are forced to join a union to compete, have to pay union dues, and the union board makes decisions about your position for you. There seems to be this prevailing belief that unions have your best interests in mind as an employee. They don't.

Getting paid for making games is literally a dream job and most positions require very low to no talent.

Yes men can. I would rather protect my virginity until wizardhood than lay with a thot.
Especially if they are fat and ugly.

Literally conditioned, They can't help it. Its baffling. i worry that america will become as indoctrinated as the chinese.

>I'm currently working as a butcher, do you care with the fact that everyday i'm risking losing a finger while i work?
Don't you have special mail gloves to protect you from cuts?

who the fuck cares about game devs? maybe those that are under shitty working conditions or red project. but even then, fuck them
why are gamers so stereotyped?
GAMERS RISE UP

>You'd rather blame a working class for the problems caused by the rich.
liberals are all rich

Stop it or I'll call the mods.

CS major here. Being a game developer is far harder than you think.

Keep suckling on that corporate brainwashing

>CS major
>thinks he can talk about what its like to have a job

Why are you on Yea Forums if you think game development isn't a real job?

>REEEEEE why aren’t you supporting muh tell tale trans devs?!?! They need 75k an hour to support their transitions!
Why don’t we just pay everyone $infinity amount, with 100% vacation time?

CALL THEM IT WONT STOP ME! MODS BOW TO THE SHITPOSTERS!

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>"Rich"

A higher salary means jack if you can't afford life in the city.

That's the big OOF.

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If game devs unionize and end up with better working conditions, and the money to pay for that better life comes from the higher ups who are getting paid way more than they should be for """"""managing"""""" so the cost isn't offloaded to the consumers, why wouldn't you guys be for that? Don't you guys like the people that make your games? Don't you play video games?

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>I have no argument, so I must call him a bootlicker instead of addressing his points

why are you on 4channel if you belong on redit?

Why would I care to promote something that will only increase development costs? This will only cause games to become more expensive and less expansive.

If game developers want more money, and breaks then they can establish a union, and I'm not gonna stand in there way, but don't expect me to actively support for something that is only gonna fuck my hobby over in the long run.

Any gamer would literally have to be the most intillectually lazy, P.R. whore on earth to make, or agree with the sentiment of a comic like this.

when did i imply any of that? are you mentally ill?

No seriously. There's thousands of devs and only a few good games. Make a good game and I care about you. Otherwise fuck off. They're not entitled to my money or even attention. Why do zoomers always think that game devs require some kind of unwavering respect?

>game devs shit on gamers any chance they can
>somehow think gamers are going to suck their feminine dicks

t. recruiter

you would think its a dream job until you are working overtime every day and weekends for shit pay all because its your "dream" while the company gives 0 shits about you because they can replace you with another fresh college grad who wants to "follow his dreams"

If you're some code monkey for a AAA or some publisher, you probably make bad games and have shit opinions that you inject into your games. Ubisoft, Sony, EA, Activision, all dirtbags and I enjoy that they suffer and I dont play their games.

Bottom society

It's a shame that you're sonner gonna see an army of pajeets making the games that anyone improving conditions for devs. The state of the industry is an absolute desaster fuelled by the dreams of people who like gaming to make games.

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For many of them, it literally is that.

Since /pol/ has just as much or more cross traffic with reddit, you only have to check The_Donald to see what kind of people /pol/ is. You perpetuate it with you lebbit frog.

But I do shitpost there.

All the capitalist bootlickers in this thread are hilarious. You guys are retarded

>Why don’t we just pay everyone $infinity amount, with 100% vacation time?
Whats wrong with this though?
Actually now that I think about it why are game devs allowed to struggle to survive when the government literally has the power to just make more money and give it those of us who need it?

>"psh fuck game developers"
>"wait why are there so many SJWs in game development???"

code monkeys get 0 say in the design process you retard.

>continues to insist 2 and 2 can be 5 regardless of the proof
>because proof is hate so we must hate game devs
fuck off back to resetra

>liberals are all rich.
Good thing for blanket statements or you would have nothing to contribute to anything.

Not anymore. I don't like them.

Well, I like them. But they're making it hard for me to care.

>Fight for better living conditions, just for them to treat me like shit.

Bad looks.

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>/pol/ hates big companies and company cock-suckers.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>why don't we give sick people five pounds of antibiotics per day for three months if antibiotics are so great

game development is unironically above the skill level of indian programmers

I already called the Mods. They are coming, and you're in big trouble!

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>the few good Western indie devs unaffected since they don't live in shit-covered megacities
>overworked sods raping the corpses of franchises I grew up with into moralizing nightmare are affected
We need another crash that'd drive big budget AAA into the dirt, and a stupid amount of regulation and govt interference to make including lootboxes/gacha/gambling so painful it effectively makes them a fragment of the past

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One would think it's up to game devs to fight for their own rights but seeing how they can't even do a proper job at making games and sometimes it's up to modders and fans to fix their mess it's really no surprise how entitled have devs become.

Find another job then. Jesus christ, you act like game devs are in some kind of hell. It's an oversaturated market because everybody wants to be a game dev. It's like the millions of musicians that are underpaid. Everyone knows that you need to be either very good, very lucky or usually both to make your money with just making music. Game devs are the same, with the exception they can still be employed by a random company as programmer or whatever.
Fuck off with this shit. They chose to be a game dev, just like I wanted to be a musician. Difference is I realised I wasn't good enough for the saturated market and decided to pursue an actual degree and make music as a hobby. Best choice I ever made.

Attempting to push off industry problems onto the consumer as though it was somehow their fault is yet another sleight of hand, and if you fall for it you're siding with the companies so congrats on being retarded

>i go to x board but only to shitpost
this is how you know someone is a redditor

There's too much competition in the game dev market, both domestic and foreign.
Also, the devs don't get to decide when code gets shipped, working or not.

Firstly, western game devs are the people ruining the game industry were since gaming became a normalfag hobby with the Iphone. So I actually want them to suffer.
Secondly, managment is far more important than being a dev as they are the people who make the finacial decisions. If their bosses did anything wrong, it would be listening to people who don’t even play video games and pandering to them.
Thirdly, Nip games are vastly superior. Only newfags believe western games are even on par, and only shills believe that any modern western game is good at all.

If game devs unionize no problems are being solved. The shitty work conditions in game studios exist for reasons outside of corporate greed, and if they unionize and their demands for stable jobs with shorter work hours are met, the result will be worse games that are more expensive to create. You aren't solving the problem, you're kicking the can down the road so instead of shit working conditions you now have inefficient businesses

>implying people who browse /pol/ have to pay rent
those faggots are mostly underage le epic memesters XD who live with mommy and daddy

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then don't work for them if you don't like the conditions

Most mobile phone games are from asia, not from the west

I don't care, i give money, you give game, that's as far as how my relation with game devs should go.

Sure they can unionize and do whatever to get more benefits. Don't put it on me. I only care for you if you make a product I enjoy. I assure you, none of the devs that made products I enjoy make these retarded outcries, because they're generally good devs.

Unions are not necessary in all cases but in places where they are, nobody practices any kind of objective reasoning. Right now game devs are SJWs so...
>GAME DEVS BAD!

>Proof.
Provide it. Lets see your math on the situation. Of course, you can meme at me like most /pol/ shitters.

Anti-socialist =! Pro-big corporation.

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>/pol/ hates big companies and company cock-suckers.
LOL

>psh they should just work harder
>that's not the problem
>i don't care

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That's your relation with the publisher, you moron

I don't care about game devs like you don't care about the chineses slaves that made the phone you're using to shitpost with.
At least i'm honest

>/pol/ hasn't been able to properly define socialism for over a decade without copy and pasting the first two sentences from a google search or confusing it with Communism.

How can you be Anti-Socialist if you don't even know what it is?

do you browse /pol/?

>And yet you participate in society! I am very smart.

Working better does not equal working harder. Some people are just not good at their job, you see it all the time in the creative buisiness. Either get good or find another job.

Care to explain how he's wrong? Oh wait, you cant.

On a place where the workers are actually easily disposable like a factory, unions do make some sense as long they're well managed.
But on the game industry, workers are literally your company. If you kick everyone and hire new people your company will be a much different and most likely much worse company.
There are countless examples of dead game companies because the workers left.

>Give honestly, hard earned money to game dev.
>Dev delivers broken pos and tons of excuses and finally calls me entitled for demanding the same formality from them as they do when asking for money.

I hope you all get replaced by machines soon.

I do

Do you?

>Italians are white
big kek.

#gottem

Good thing I don't buy games from the shitty AAA games companies that everyone complains about. I only support indie devs when it comes to western games.

AAA devs deserve to suffer. They're part of the soulless machine that killed videogames 10+ years ago. The fact that they're all pussies that don't stand up for themselves at work isn't my fuckin' problem. Work harder, nigger! Mr. Goldberg needs those shekels!

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Same

listen i work in a warehouse and used to think everyone could find a job but i routinely see people fuck up the rule of "don't put paint cans sideways" here

What would unions even do though?
>We only want to work 8 hour days with no overtime!
Game release date gets pushed back a decade, investors pull out, game dies
>Ok how about just hiring more people so we aren't overworked?
Studio runs out of money to pay everyone, asks investors for more money, they decline and game gets shelved indefinitely and the studio dies
>Fine, we'll shift focus towards AA games or more indie budget type games instead of going full AAA
Game releases and looks primitive compared to modern high budget titles. Normies pass on it since they only care about grafix, game sells so poorly that the studio folds shortly after.

Unions make sense for certain industries but I feel like they'd just totally fuck up the game industry. We're in too deep with the massive amounts of budget each major game release requires just to compete.

>I don't care.
And yet people like you sure do care now that "bugmen" have gotten rich off of greedy Western corporations China has the largest consumer market in the world. Things are shifting to pander to their audiences, their tastes and you're just the little retard on the internet who doesn't care. Except deep down, you really do.

Enjoy your Asian inserts.
Enjoy your pay to win models.
Enjoy your tencent acquisitions.

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>Implying that living with mommy and daddy is a bad thing.

I understand if you prefer living in a hole in the wall, but seeing the current renting crisis, you bet your ass I'm staying with my boomer parents and inheriting the house. It's easier to pay the house when it's four people.

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Pretty much this. No sympathy for the insects and code monkeys that do nothing but produce AAA trash like Apex, cawaduddy or Blizzard shit.

>Working better does not equal working harder
Imagine actually typing this.

Yeah there's a lot of retards. Some will try to make the consumer feel guilty about the working conditions of game devs, some put paint cans sideways. All cut from the same wood.

>Game release date gets pushed back a decade, investors pull out, game dies
Coding time is rarely the problem. Look at anthem. Spent five years in management indecisiveness, then pushed out in a year.
> Studio runs out of money to pay everyone, asks investors for more money, they decline and game gets shelved indefinitely and the studio dies
Dev wages also aren't the problem, compared to licencing costs and marketing.

>demand
Well, there's your problem. No one wants to forbid people from making games too easy or hard (too subjective). No one wants to forbid propaganda in games (impossible, anyways). But you're trying to force game developers to give their workers artificial bonuses for nothing.

Mobs are for brown people. If you don't like something, prove it with your wallet. That's what those first two groups do. If Sekiro II has an easy mode and it really does bother people, they won't buy it. Plain and simple. Marching with torches and "the power of the human voice" is some retarded commie shit.

At the end of the day, you tell the world what you really believe with cash. The market is the only voice that matters.

You're never supposed to leave your parents to die alone, selfish shit.

i assure you i don't give a single fuck about western games as a whole

>>Give honestly, hard earned money to game dev
How do you still don't know the difference between publishers and developers?

>/pol/ is a boomer drumpf supporter
>/pol/ is also an underage living with his parents
so which one is it

Imagine being retarded enough that you think you can make it in a creative industry without talent.

Remember when people who made games were passionate about making them instead of bitching about shit work conditions? Just goes to show how much has changed and exactly why games are shit

>old.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/bk9wzt/props_to_the_man_speaking_the_truth/

gaming trannies are literally shilling their shit here.

not even pol is this bad christ.

Exactly, i finally agree with /pol/tards. We need a crash and fuckin soon.

>Have coding skills.
>Implying you can be worse off anywhere else in that field other than gaming.
LMAO! People make video games out of passion, idiot. Publishers exploit that passion. SJWs didn't make gaming soulless, Publishers did. It's clear that consumers aren't going to stop consuming bad products backed by AAA studios so the only solution is for them to unionize.

>Uhh, why the fuck would I support farmers? One time I bought an apple and it had a brown spot, so clearly everyone that sells food is a fraud!

I support unions in western video games because it'll kill western video games fucking dead.

Of course it's their fault. They're the ones making it.

Imagine moving the goalposts this much because you're that much of a bootlicker.

>SJWs invade game development
>immediately demand every benefit possible
>try to form a worker's mafia once they realize consumers don't sympathize with them, their boss does not sympathize with them and their job in "HR" is fundamentally worthless
>calls anyone who doesnt enable them nazis, like always

I guarantee if they succeed in forming a union you will see 0 protection for Dean, Sven and Ryuto who do the actual programming. It will all go directly to the aposematic-headed fat bitches with journalism degrees.

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Japan will go where the money is too. They're already releasing a nintendo console there.

>implying I'm going to a loud faggot on social media instead of just playing games made by wagies and eating spaghetti-o's

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Just as a dog shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them, the owner shouldn't beat his dog.
I'm guessing you're the type to decry artists for demanding pay for their work, yes?

there's a difference when the shit working conditions are on your terms and someone else deciding what shit your gonna eat

>food analogies
That's not even applicable either because it suggests that game retailers and the delivery to them can change the game.

>have coding skills
>this becomes irrelevant when the CEO imports third world code monkeys to do the job for pennies
Now if only I could guarantee a fair chance here...

game developers dont hire journalists

Did that guy miss that "gamers rise up" was always a flase flag meme?

There are no goalposts to move you fucking retard. People always think that when you say; "do a better job" is the same as "work harder".
Work smarter, not harder. I don't care how many hours you put in, as long as the output is what I want. Fuck off, retard.

A. Inflation
B. No one would work unwanted jobs
C. There are not enough resources to produce infinite money
It’s genuinely surprising that every day, I find dumber things on Yea Forums that are said.

Of course you can because talent isn't natural. It's something you learn.

>Both of those statements got their meme status through irony.
>/pol/ is reddit, it doesn't even understand it's own memes anymore and tries to use them as metrics.

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It's journalists who complained about difficulty though

Imagine if you made it industry standard. Big and bloated companies like EA could afford to cut into their profits to pay for better work conditions, but mid and low tier companies that have much narrower margins can't and would be forced to either pass the cost to the consumer or close. If they pass the cost on, then the big company like EA has no reason to cut into their profits and may as well just pass the cost on to the consumer as well. If the lower corporations close, then now the big dogs have even less competition and even less reason not to just pass the cost on to the consumer.

Costs always go to the consumer.

shoo shoo

glow in the dark CIA nigger

>not demanding every benefit possible from your job
What a cuck. Do you suck your master's cock every morning for giving you the privilege of minimum wage?

why are (you) wasting your time on this worthless thread?

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Yeah. I will just emulate games, then.

It's just video games, mate.

>passionate about games
>chrunchtime codemonkey that gets replaced as soon as he burns out
Pick one.

Keep thinking that. Talent means with hard work you can become great. Without talent, hard work will make you mediocre or good at best

>Supporting only good developers for non-necessities is the same as not supporting any farmers that give people necessities

holy shit this

alright, community managers are 1-2% of a company though

its even worse if you live in a shithole of a country like mine, its either stay with pop and ma or get eaten alive by all the factions of gangs around every neighborhood thats affordable

Game developers hire legions of faceless programmers who won't get any of the benefits a union promises. It will go directly to the sociopaths who want to be the kommissars of their workers' party.

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>Work smarter, not harder
t. good goy

Who are you quoting?

i want gobbo gf

Sure, but why would consumers care about working conditions within the industry at all?

i hope that every communist gets beheaded in the most brutal way, like in my mexican cartel animes

Idiot. You're probably a neet aren't you

There's nothing worth saving in the western AAA industry

Yeah i need a fucking job.

I'm /pol/ as fuck and I support game dev unionisation.
Unions exist to be lazy entitled cunts and to get paid for a sub-par job done.
They'll either make tighter profit margins or reduce the quality of games made by unions. That'll help AAAshit and indie "unions" to crash.
Plus, Unions are notorious for being a way to spread political propaganda. Gaming is also notorious for this. Combine the two and you're going to get typical commie bullshit.
Typical commie bullshit does not work and will bring the games it's involved in crashing to the fucking ground.
The big problem with a union of creatives, is that creatives are complete fucking faggots that wouldn't know a good product if it hit them in the face.
Creatives being allowed to set their own working conditions will mean that creatives expect to be paid well for utter shite. ... Well they already expect this, but now they'll be able to band together and demand that people accept their low tier trash as work done.

All of this combines to make AAAshit more shit, to make SJW indies even LESS appealing to the general public, and to deliver another blow to the kneecap of shit games.

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>game devs
>caring about what customers want or think
>ever
Most are just sellouts and deserve the rope. There is no passion to make games anymore, just corporate greed, it's us vs them and a matter of who can pull harder.

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I dont support unions, but the programmers and artists and people doing the actual work are the ones who would benefit from it the most, the benefits being stable work hours

Game politics are more interesting than games. Especially modern games that fail at their most basic level of providing escapism.

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Why aren't you fighting for the rights of others in the tech field? There's probably millions of programmers that are in the same exact spot but don't get attention because they don't whine as much as game devs do.

Point about what? Game devs should absolutely unionize

>Consumer is angry about having to buy the thing they consume.
Lemme guess, you're a pirate right? And they say pirate aren't thieves.

Why are """""""indie""""""""" devs so delusional?

Other way around.

I've had pretty good benefits in every job I've had since I was in my early 20s, because I don't live in a glorified shithole known as the US, where useful idiots like you do the CEO's job of shitting on the working class.

>Guarantee a fair chance.
Impossible because you can't compromise with your ideological rivals to find middle ground. Burgers are a living joke who perpetually undermine themselves.

Tell them to take a fucking risk in their lives.
Quit ,get out of california and make their own game.

>Shit on consumers constantly
>Throw tantrums on social media
>Use diversity to shield themselves from criticism
No fucking shit nobody sympathizes with devs. Maybe they shouldn't pander to people who don't play games.

this, western devs are more obsessed about sending some epik message than doing a real game, they can fucking die for all i care

>with hard work
See that, these are key words. Anyone can put in hard work and learn to be great especially when it comes to this industry.

>lol fuck game developers
>time to play some vidya
>no vidya
>lol fuck game developers

>He makes a good point

Really? Which one?

>i'm just gonna assume you don't do shit for anyone, like me, so I can feel better about my indifference
Great cope.

...

I want this industry to die.

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their conditions doesn't affect me. Politic does

Don't go to jail, your world view will crumble.

My backlog is so large that at this point if new vidya just ceased to release I would still be set for life.

gladiator plz

Well yeah, if their work is shit.

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If you can't even support the good devs because /pol/ successfully convinced you UNIONS BAD, SJWs who at least offer an opportunity for better working conditions are going to become popular. Regardless of your precious feelings.

I'm taking a shit and need a distraction.

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Wouldn't that just make games more expensive?

>only game devs are overworked

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yes

Did you quoted it correctly? i don't see how your response do match what i posted.
But anyway, if you can code and design games, you don't need a publisher or a big corporation, just a computer and some friends.

>Says the guy who is part of the sub 3m games sold crowd.
Publishers shit on faggots like you.

>>Consumer is angry about what they consume is shit the the people who make hate the consumer
ftfy tranny

No, not everyone. Only those with talent. No use pursueing something you have no talent for. Did you completely ignore what I said?

there are no good western devs

Couldn't care less about working conditions, that's their problem. As a consumer all I need to care about is my side of the contract.

You're retarded aren't you.
The flaw in your logic also applies retroactively you dumbass.
Game developers still developed those games you have in your backlog, without these game devs you care very little about, they wouldn't exist.

Yes.

The dog doesn't know any better. EA does.

Pretty much.

You're thinking about the publishers again, you stupid cunt.

I don't live in the US you incredible retard. I'm saying exactly the opposite. Work smart not hard is exactly the opposite of "the American dream".

>Without talent,
Except no one has inherent talent. What you're calling talent comes from life experiences that you learn and grow from.
You probably lack that because like most here you led a sheltered life devoid of challenge outside of basic school work.

>boo hoo those poor devs working in nice air-conditioned offices on fancy computers

What the fuck is the complaint?

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Someone post cunny and nuke this thread. I'm under a range ban

nope

Yeah they do. Fuck off you retard.

>Except no one has inherent talent. What you're calling talent comes from life experiences that you learn and grow from.
wrong

Yet they somehow managed to exist just fine without a union.

mandatory overtime which leads to 100 hour workweeks

And?

>i'm just gonna assume you don't do shit for anyone

Well, do you? Do you make sure the people who funnel water into your house are getting paid a decent wage? Is the guy wadding through your shit in the sewers working enough hours? Do you make sure everything you buy from a company treats it's employees fairly and would fight them if they weren't?

Fuck off, they work, I buy the game, they get the money, The End. I don't give a shit if some code monkey didn't get enough sleep or feels unfulfilled at their job.

Pretty bad use of photoshop, but I'm still saving it
Cuando duermo en una litera, yo duermo abajo, Y ARRIBA ESPAÑA

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What's wrong with this thread? Fuck off to 9gag or reddit if you don't like it.

You sound like one of those retards who thinks they understand something by looking at it from the outside.

It's NOT that easy.

GAMERS ARE ENTITLED INCEL MISGYNISTS, FUCK YOU GAMERGATERS FOR CALLING OUT UNETHICAL GAMES JOURNALISTS!

BUT ALSO HELP US GET BETTER WORKING CONDITIONS AND WAGES PLS GAMERS

just work as normal and then slack off

Explain why I should give a shit about the developers making the shitty political games.

Corporations need more money obviously and their entitled to it for some reason. Lucky for them, Yea Forumsrannies love corporations.

so what you are saying is, my already downloaded games will dispensary if font support some gay unions?

>I don't live in the US
Nothing worse than a third world larper trying to tell American workers how to live.

>gamers are bockheads
damn, kino.

There is no one more "toxic" in current gaming industry than game devs themselves.

>Strawmanning this hard.
Classic!

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Game devs are faggots who constantly shit on gamers, why should we care about them?

Sorry, you can't.

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>i'm just gonna double down, project and assume a bunch of stupid shit, and hope this keeps my conscience at bay whenever i ignore poor people on the street
Go off.

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This. The nature of my job brings me into contact with unions on the reg and they are being flooded with young millenials and zoomers who are pushing out the baby boomer union bosses at the locals who knew how to actually do shit. Now they are presenting all these outlandish demands at the negotiation table while the baby boomers who are about to hang it up just grimace and try to keep their mouths shut. It's great for a company man like me because we can outright deny these demands entirely and levy a charge that they are not negotiating in good faith and we can step away. What we did last year was train our exempt employees to do the jobs of the union boys and, when we locked them out due to failures at the negotiation table, we did not lose much productivity. Not much at all. All those exempt employees got a tidy bonus and their satisfaction was drastically improved after working far more hours than a software dev in "crunch". They slept on site, we brought in trucks that were essentially mobile bathrooms.

These game devs don't know shit about shit about what a union actually does, just like most young people today. They'll get a lot of demands because these publishers won't know how to negotiate with them, but they'll hire contractors who do what I do to come in and sit at the negotiation table when it comes time to rework contracts and you'll see lock outs. You might even see strikes, which would be hilarious. You'll also see more devs move to Texas, which is right-to-work and you do not have to join a union as a condition of employment.

I hope it does happen, because I'm going to start up an consulting firm targeting software devs and training them on dealing with unions.

If it's paid overtime then who cares?

>No, not everyone
Yes, literally everyone can pursue anything they want assuming they have the drive to learn big example being the music industry you can become an incredibly famous musician without having any "talent" for music theory.
Unless of course you were born retarded but that's a different matter entirely.

>you're cold and sitting, goy, why don't you wanna work 80+ hour weeks?? no benefits for you

Indeed.
They in 99% of the cases just get hired by another corporation, given how actually good developers are a very rare kind of employee, given this awful world of java "coders".

ARRIBA ESPAÑA!

Nice non arguments fuckwit.

this is the most sensible position desu.

video games and its gamer culture that embraces liberalism, unironic shilling for communism, negrophilia and economic practices that would make mr. rubbinghandsvitz blush deserves to be burned to the ground.

so my dear burgoise, chapo-listening white kids, go ahead!

>>4608266980826750
>>460826863>>460826943>>460827326
>>460827543>>460830873
>>4608314860831585316577707

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FLSA rules, read them. There are exempt and non-exempt employees in regard to overtime rules.

Ah, thats mean

Alternatively, they could be good engineers and work at an engineering company.
If they choose to accept lower wages and longer hours so they can program batman's cape physics and tell their friends they make video games for a living, let them.

DELETE THIS MODS

It's still mandatory.

(you)

game devs aren't working class and don't get killed by accidents in the workplace, fuck them.

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I'm stealing it, wheter you like it or not.
the fuck

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>Game difficulty
>Something for gamers to rise up for
I'm onto you, false narrative

no arguments are neccessary, it's self-evident

>Rats are dir-

>fetishizing work deaths/injuries
Based neet.

>Made it fucking clear that they hate me all over social media.
>But fight for my worker's rights, goy!

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A commentary comic is better than any argument.

So these are the famed gas showers of Auschwitz

Can't believe I got a (you) from based rato poster.

I bet with you that this union pushing is just EA trying to break ubisoft.
Everyone knows EA is the villain, the bad guy, the monster, they don't care.
Now ubisoft tries to be the diverse multicultural corporation, so they will cave to it and die, then EA will hire all their employees and you know how EA works.

Wait, there are places where you HAVE to join a Union as a condition of employment?
Jesus christ.

>firing someone who's gay
so fucking what? I ain't gay and I've gotten fired before.

Consumers should have "some" responsibility in policing what employers do just a safeguard for a fair and just society but it's sort of ridiculous to expect consumers to care more about workers' rights than the workers themselves do.

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You poor guy. Yeah, there are parts of the United States where you can't work unless you join a union and give them a chunk of your paycheck for them to spend trying to get shops to unionize in states so they can increase their base.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

A will never happen in the video game industry since going independent is actually legit and has been proven to work so long as the product being turned out is marketed enough and received well by players not journalists though, nobody ever cares about their opinions these days so complete garbage they hand out 5 stars to is still recognized as complete garbage
B will only happen if it's a publicly traded company ie you put your shit up on the stock market and answer to shareholders

That "existence" is being threatened.
With the way you're thinking, you don't care if humanity will die out in 100 years because you already lived your life so you shouldn't care.

If this is how you think, then I'm wasting energy responding to a bunch of selfish, self centered losers.

Fuck game developers should have chosen a better career.

you gringos are fucking cucks how do you allow such shit to happen?

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>With the way you're thinking, you don't care if humanity will die out in 100 years because you already lived your life so you shouldn't care.
well yeah why should i care

Unions are a fucking mafia.
>B-but they fought for worker's rights!
Yes, they did, past-tense. Now is just a magnet of corruption and extortion for honest workers.

MELEEFAGS BTFO

>woulnd't mind because some trans person got fired in the process
Yes.

my working conditions suck too, go drown your sorrow in your starcucks and 1st world problems

>because I'm going to start up an consulting firm targeting software devs and training them on dealing with unions.
You'd basically be selling Common Sense for $100/hour. Then again that's what consultants normally do.
Personally what I'd do is make any concessions I make contingent on some competent fucking work as judged by a focus group of whatever bored random Xboxers I can dredge up. Mostly because A. There's no way in HELL they'd agree to their work being judged by the general population, and B. When they refuse a deal that is basically "actually do your bloody job, and get MORE PAY", I can slap them in the face with it.
>But what if they accept the deal
They won't. They're a hivemind that is utterly allergic to the idea that there can be Good ideas and Bad ideas. If one of them steps out of line and says that having some measurements/standards on their work is okay, the rest will shout at him.

That's not how it works.

The only way to involuntarily sell your company is through putting it on the stock market. Even then there is the whole majority share thing. Companies can't really affect smaller companies in this industry like that.

Most developers don't go independant because of the paperwork involved and having no management skills.

*gets beheaded on liveleak*

>Consumers should have "some" responsibility in policing what employers do
No they don’t, you dumb fucking asshole. Its not my job to be resposible for your ass.

DONT @ ME GAYBOY... YOU'LL REGRET IT!

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>Says user as posts on Yea Forums instead of securing his childrens future
Wew

I am so fucking happy. I assumed you were a (you) spamming retard with animal abuse webms, instead you are a (you) spamming angel with this.

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I support unionization just because I want to watch it all burn down

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>keep licking that boot
bitch, none of us here make games, we just play them. I'm all for telling the boss to go fuck himself and that's exactly why you don't go into a corporate environment where its easy to get blacklisted.

Ok good, I don't need to waste anymore time with trash like you.

>millions of humans before you dying to make the world a better place for every future generation
>and faggots like you is what they get

>and the money to pay for that better life comes from the higher ups
It won't come from the higher ups, it'll get passed over to the consumers in the form of game price hikes or cut content being sold as dlc (which has already happened at least twice)

Oh I guess there's no chance in hell I could ever have children because I made a post on Yea Forums during my very free time.
Such is life.

>bitch, none of us here make games, we just play them
Said without the slightest hint of irony.

>It won't come from the higher ups

>EA disclosed in a government filing with the SEC that it paid Soderlund a $20 million bonus for the purpose of supporting the "longer-term retention of Mr. Soderlund."

you got a lot of nerve posting that artist.

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Am I compelling them to work in the gaming industry?

>100$ an hour
I make twice that some weeks, when you factor in my bonus. But that is terrible advice you're giving and no one who is negotiating with a union should do it.

>AAA studios constantly waste money on frivolous bullshit, 100 million dollar budgets burned up in 1 year
>still somehow manage to deliver the most unpolished, unfinished, and unenjoyable shit imaginable
>AAA devs whine that they want to work even less hours, deadlines don't need to exist
>complain that they had to work a 60 hr week with time +1/2 overtime pay on a 70-100k salary in an air-conditioned Palo Alto loft 12 days before launch
>suprised when the gamers don't RISE UP for them

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The issue is that issues like dev pressure and crunch can't be fixed by anyone because the big companies that do it don't give a shit to begin with short of flat out government force. Usually when gamers complain about political stuff or crying about game difficulty it's more targeted at game journalists whose entire lives depend on clicks and ad revenue, they have to care to some extent and while that usually leads to doubling down ultimately it's still a reaction compared to nothing. It's like the video about Games as a Service being fraud, there's little we can do but remind people it exists and hope legislature can take it from there.

Bottle = 10
Burger = 5
Beer = 2

5 + 2 x 10 = 5 + 20 = 25

At least after this stuff blows over, Yea Forums will know not to bend the knee to /pol/-jerks getting up in arms about a Lesbian in a video game.
After all, it's clear they don't care about games, only their culture war. Since devs getting the short end isn't part of the culture war, they have nothing to rise up about. They will get mad about "X" thing the perceive as propaganda, so watch out!

>no source
and in the case that it did happen then you can guarantee the money didn't come from the higher ups but instead through one of the aforementioned revenue streams that harm the consumer

Forgot about the amazing worker's comp offered in burritoland by poisonous sweatshops and drug cartels.

>We're gonna demand better and more secure working conditions for game developers!
How the fuck do you make game deving "secure"? Literally all you do is type on a keyboard and maybe use a mouse for dragging files or images. Do these fucking idiots need thimbles?

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someone tell him

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They only ask for like 1/40th of your takehome pay, and in return you actually get wage increases that beat inflation and can't get fired on a whim you corporate bootlicking mongrel.

There's only a single beer in that equation. It's 5 + 1 x 10.

>They only ask for like 1/40th of your takehome pay

They can suck my dick instead.

sachiposter is that you?

I think you should keep in mind a lot of people wish for an industry crash. Especially for western devs. Fuck em. You say things are not going right? Good.

American culture has long since believed in the bird-leaving-the-nest philosophy when it comes to raising kids, it's considered a sign of success for an 18 year old to have a part time job, go to college, and live in a home away from their family (roommates optional) without missing a beat. At least it was before 2014.

Your argument is literally that talent doesn't exist, when that's just a retarded statement. I guess anybody can become the next Beethoven or Einstein with just hard work. I guess all hard working people who are good, but not excellent, are just not working hard enough.
You are unironically retarded.

Do you think car buyers would start a grassroots campaign to demand better conditions for car industry workers? No. No they fucking wouldn't. In fact they wouldn't give a shit if car industry workers had a bad deal, as long as they got good cars at a good price. So why the fuck do you expect a different standard from game buyers? Christ this person is off in cloud cuckoo land.

>unions increase cost, and cost increases lead to price increases, they'll eventually price themselves out of a market!
But in the meantime, I don't WANT to pay $100 for Total War Warhammer 3.

Nah man it ain't me

Maybe the devs most impacted should make better games like the japanese.

>mobile device
Holy shit I hate that this is the reality we live in.

Or musicians would be a better comparison, since they're both 'creative' industries. There's hundreds of thousands, small time musicians that can't make a living with jut music. It's oversaturated to hell and back. You think people are up in arms to help them, or say stuff like "get a real job". I swear, people are so fucking retarded these days. It's an oversaturated market. Either be amazing at what you do, or don't bother. Find different work.

This is my favorite anti-union meme.
>I hope that $5 an hour raise was worth a $25 deduction per paycheck!
I mean, yeah? My union could double their dues overnight and still be worth it

Gamers should rise up to kills jews, politicians, elites and shit skins

Yes, YEESSSSS good goy.
You don't need salary increases or injury comp, they're just greedy! Your boss will surely give you all that, he's your friend after all! But if he says no, make sure you don't ask twice! We wouldn't want you to be "randomly" laid off during "restructuring" would we?

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fifthpbp

AAA developers especially are just slaves for the corporate cock doing what their Jew masters tell them to do. Any passion left is with small personal teams not major shitty devs. These people don't give a fuck about us why would I give a fuck about them.

>Being such a cuck that you don't negotiate your own raises

Makes sense that you would be cocksucking union faggot.

Boomers can't handle the concept of "giving" money to anyone that isn't wearing a country-style restaurant outfit. They're incapable of seeing the benefit

>ywn get a comfy office job that will take you away from this shithole
I just want something productive

No one can get fired on a whim in current year. If you get fired on a whim it's because you fucked up and won't admit to it. Maybe go get a job where you have a dress code that isn't a store-issued polyester polo shirt with a logo rubbing your nipple raw and you'll understand. Regardless, our union workers get less increases than our exempt employees, on average, because they are negotiated in. They do not get performance increase or bonus. So an employee that gets an "exceeds expectations" gets a larger increase than a union guy. There are no incentives to be a good employee among the unions workers.
>1/40th of your pay ain't much
Fuck off with that.
>he thinks the jews are elbow-deep in union leadership
Got bad news for you, son.
>25$ per pay period
You work in food services, probably unloading produce. You ain't USW or IBEW and thus irrelevant. You exist to funnel money to the electricians and steelworkers or politicians, if you're AFL-CIO.

>are
I meant aren't.

>needing a source

gamespot.com/articles/ea-gave-outgoing-exec-patrick-soderlund-a-20-milli/1100-6461170/

This and Ninja's million dollar payment for playing Apex while the company was firing dozens of employees were huge news.

>so then I just walked right in there, slammed my fist on the table and said "Boss, I work hard and I deserve a raise!". And looked me in the eye, he shook my hand right there and said "you're fired due to restructuring". I was replaced from my teamster's job by a 22 year old chinese kid working on visa for 7.25/hr before the end of the week. Damn I'm such a good negotiator. Useless unions and their lawyers

>$5 an hour raise
We're not talking about Trump's tax policies, user.

>all this fucking projection

Not everyone is useless like you.

>DUDE JUST WALK IN WITH YOUR SHOULDERS BACK AND DEMAND MORE MONEY FROM THE MONEYGRABBER LMAO
Do you work in a mom and pop shop in the middle of Flyover, USA? Where in the world would this even work?

Yes, how dare somebody on an anonymous internet forum ask for something to prove a statement made by some completely anonymous person is real and not just a dude pulling shit out of his asshole.
Also fuck off shill, archive or pastebin only. Fucking post 2010 newfags I swear.
archive.fo/nNwPB

now this is epic

>needing a source
"just listen and believe bro! #femfreq #socialjustice #fuckgamers"

>is unaware of industry news
>is incapable of googling a simple sentence
>archives links like a /pol/ NPC for no real reason
>"le shill'
Yikes.

>no one says fuck niggers
inaccurate

How the fuck is the consumer supposed to fight crunch?
Are we supposed to scower the internet for any evidence of a dev team having to crunch before launch and then we aren't allowed to buy a game if one dude complained?

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>I couldn't convince my manager at Burger Kangz to pay me $15 an hour so that means it never works!

Unironically get a real job.

communism will never rise ever again

>muh workers revolution

nobody is going to do shit, you delusional fat turd and the reverse of a /pol/tard

>needing a source
This is what Yea Forums has become

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Rate my never evers pls

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Thats actually pretty true. The result is generic open world half finished shit and games that COULD have been amazing like metal gear solid 5.
The faggots here love making themselves unhappy.

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He needs the ability to fry your MB if you have ever installed Cheat Engine, pirated software, or visited eBaumsWorld

How the fuck are you so uniformed?

>franchises like Burger King
>giving raises on a petition basis
Fucking hell, are you 14?

Gimme a cute and funny choco

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>buy our games or you're sexist
>also fight for better working conditions for us
>also don't complain when we shove microtransactions into games
>also download a launcher that is objectively because we decided to use since we make more money, and don't you dare complain about it
>Why the fuck are gamers so entitled?

Are you fucking ESL or what? That was my point, you retards can't get raises in your shitty McJobs so you think that people with real jobs can't either.

>"What's that? He wants me to link where I'm getting this information instead of just believing every single fucking thing that's posted on the internet no matter what?"
>"Weaksauce, he must not be super cool like I am crawling vg247 and digg for 20 hours aday straight smdh rn desu senpai...."

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>>
Cut resistant, not stab resistant. If it's fabric a saw can still cut through it.

I'm serious, for a faggot who seethes about trannies demanding better benefits and working conditions, you sure as fuck don't know anything about the industry that's shitting 20 million dollars just to """"""retain"""""" some shady fucker on their payroll.

Now watch as you seethe some more.

>Mock the gamers calling them entitled children for not liking your shitty microtransaction filled dumbed down game that has ugly ogres instead of normal looking females
>Demand that they should stand and fight for your rights, critisize them if they don't do It
Nah, fuck off.

I'm just baffled by a kid who thinks requesting raises by approaching DA BOSS is how things still work.

>Complaining about having to link to the article in question

Study after study has shown that working hard in a corporation doesn't even correlate to better wages. You can get fired on a whim in current year if you're replaceable as fuck and you go against the status quo. I work as a safety engineer, no union needed for me because I ain't that easily replaceable since so many asians cheat to graduate. The shipping and technician guys I watch after aren't so lucky. When shit breaks because managers didn't order proper maintenance, they're the ones that take the fall. Shit always flows downhill and the average dude can't take an oil company in a legal fight, nor would they ever bother because they'd never work again.

Oh boo hoo, I'm sorry he hurt your feelings. I guess we should all bend over backwards to please our game journalist and dev overlords, and then be thankful for the opportunity to be whipped like slaves.

right to work states are invariably low-GDP, high-poverty shitholes dominated by trumploving degenerates. it's not a coincidence that states with the best worker protections/strongest unions are also highest as far as human development goes (quality of/access to health care and education, high economic output, etc). right-to-work states cant even sustain their own governments without blue state tax dollar subsidies.

Guess I was right about you being a dirty ESL nigger.

I'm all for worker rights in general, but come on. Game devs don't do anything worthwhile for society. They invest time, labor and resources into creating dumb toys for manchildren. You want to reward them for that? Hell no. In a perfect world, this shit wouldn't be legal. Now you cannot make it illegal because we are ruled by capitalism, but at least don't further incentivise it by outside forces. Fuck game devs. I hope they all die in a fire, get stabbed in the heart and expire.

>teamsters are Burger King workers
Unironically get a real education

You are really upset about something. Are you ok, user?

>"I AM SILLY" argument
Maybe next time just post the fucking source instead of wasting time trying to one-up the people asking for it

you clearly dont know what right-to-work is. stay in school little guy, you're gonna need it.

>u mad rebuttal

An argument made in bad faith is one that shouldn't be made at all.

>make a comic readily objectionable by anyone
>watch replies roll in
Sounds like human condition.

>he keeps bitching about linking the source even if the source is at his disposal
>he keeps dodging the issue
>he keeps seething
Sasuga, /pol/. Stay uninformed.

people that create entertainment have rights too you fuckwit, not just people that create material goods

the accuracy being that nobody gives a shit about effete, emotionally soft, pussy ass "game devs" who break own and sob in the face of any criticism or hardship at all?

and what the fuck do they mean by "secure working conditions"? job security? there is no such thing as fucking job security on temporary creative projects in which your services are no longer required upon completion. least of all for contract workers who agreed to those terms in the first place.

>BOO HOO FAGGOT LIFE IS HARD GET USED TO IT
>why are you so mad?
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NO U
Not him but lmao

Game devs spent the last election cycle shitting on me and NOW they beg for help? Should have thought of that before decrying gamergate as Nazi Stalin sociopaths

I was on deepwater horizon, still have the jacket from when we broke the record, the reason the average dude can't take on an oil company in a legal fight is because they accept the check the company writes them when they fuck up.
Or just full of niggers.
It's not rocket science, user. He got the gist of it.

>unions bad!

boomers really did a number on this country and the kids they raised

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Boomers are the ones who ruined labor unions, jackass.

it's like you've never heard of Bioware

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that's not a point, that's a complaint that movements formed to address actual issues don't get as much exposure as movements formed from outrage culture. I don't know why he ascribes it to gamers, but it applies just about everywhere; people like to rally to outrage against individuals that cause controversy, but try to rally people on twitter to solve an actual systemic problem and you'll fail miserably.

>unions good!

boomers really did a number on this country and the kids they raised

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SEETHING ZOOMERS

Hey man just because you're the one getting all autismal at getting asked to post the link doesn't mean you get to shit up the thread like you have. Literally nobody cares other than you.

>Don't you play video games?
literally none of these things has anything to do with the rest of your post, all my favorite games of the last couple years were made by indies, you know, the people who would get the sticky side of the union shit stick

kentucky, WV, tennessee, idaho, and most other states are 80-90% white (WV is 95%), meanwhile top HDI, strong union states like MA, NY, CT, NJ are closer to 70ish%. race has nothing to do with it, trumpfags are just literal parasites and should be put down like the subhuman animals they are. the greatest irony is that not only are you a repulsive little lazy parasite, but even when it comes to acknowledging what a shithole your community is, you STILL try to blame something else. very sad, i imagine your dad must have been a little effeminate queer as well.

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>you're the one getting all autismal at getting asked to post the link
I literally posted it the moment your dirty /pol/ Pavlovian behavior came up and doubted a pretty straight-forward news fragment, that you could've literally googled at any moment to verify. You're still not addressing the issue because it would involve getting the corporate cock out of your mouth.

>They think dame development is a real job

lmao

I also wanted to "make videogames" when I was a kid, but since I'm not a retard I did research into the industry and realized it's shit. Got a job with the casinos instead. Anybody working as a game dev is there because they want to be there. Or because they're an SJW diversity hire and don't actually know what they're doing.

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>Being this mad over some guy asking for source

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Why the fuck do I care about working conditions for game devs? Will they get a paper cut or an arm cramp?

western game devs are fucking trash

>WAAAAAAAAH GAMERS PLS HELP US

lol nope. i hope you die of being overworked you dumb replaceable liberal niggerlover cog.

The devs dug themselves into the hole.

>ITT: Le /pol/ boogeyman

West Virginia voted for Trump because he said he'd roll back how hard Obama fucked them. Had Hillary said she would support the coal miners (staunch union), she would have won the election. It's not the Russians that borked the election, it was Hillary saying she was gonna continue fucking the coal miners.

>46 posts in this thread contain the word 'pol'

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>dude post the source
>also archive it
>no i'm not gonna read it

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obcessed

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That's such a good idea user. Perhaps the poor can buy some money too?