Do you think game devs should unionize?

I don't care as long as they make good games

western (mostly but not only Californian) devs must disappear, hope they unionize and then companies start to make games in pseudo 2nd world countries without SJW moralist bullshit

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Would give them an excuse to raise prices

I don't think people understand what unions are for when they make this argument. Unions are for collective bargaining on wage negotiation and work conditions. It's not really going to affect the quality of the game.

i dont think they had the balls to do that

Imagine thinking that you deserve higher pay and mandated breaks every 2 hours for sitting on your ass in front of a computer

They can if they choose to, but it will increase the cost of labor, and publishers are always looking to cut costs whenever possible.

IMO, if publishers were forced to work with unions, then microtransactions and consumer costs would increase.

However, what would stop publishers from outsourcing development to cheaper companies in eastern Europe or Asia?

I feel like it would fuck over Western devs unless it was in a country where publishers were forced to work with unions like say Germany or Sweden. In the US, publishers would just outsource or hire contractors instead.

Or maybe you never thought about anything beyond Step 1 of the consequences on a union. Like some people said there's the real concern when you have people fighting for "Better wages" it's a lot simpler to replace them with someone else who isn't. Jobs could get oursourced to people who would easily accept that money, maybe even in other countries depending on function. Even assuming none of that happens, when has a big company in recent times ever simply bent over and went "Sure, we will pay more money and give better living conditions to our employees because they asked" and not had multiple plans ready to sidestep this issue?

100%
i want the game industry to move second and thirld world countries because they still hate women there.

I'm just the consumer, all I care about is that good games are made. What happens in the internal politics of a company is not my concern.

Game quality drops. They lose even more money.

buh-based

>they would be easily replaced by non-union programmers
Silly, silly, Anons. Blizzard tried this several years ago. The result was that foreign programmers had absolutely no idea what they were doing and couldn't even meet basic quotas. Blizzard promptly fired hundred of Indian programmers.

You can't simply walk into Ubisoft, fire their physics programmers, and expect to find competent replacements the next day.

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>Jobs could get oursourced to people who would easily accept that money, maybe even in other countries depending on function.
you say that like it's a bad thing.

What do you even mean with that statement? The "internal politics of a company" have a severe effect on the end result.

Game quality drops, they don't care that much about the sales since they are already cutting costs with their new outsourced employees. If it drops too far they come up with more microtransaction revenue methods and all is well.

>Game quality drops.
Why should it? Doom was made on a budget of fucking nothing, you just need actually talented people making the game.

>What do you even mean with that statement? The "internal politics of a company" have a severe effect on the end result.
Then why can devs with no money to go with create good games?

This shit pisses me off as someone who works on his feet and lifts shit most the damn day
>walk into bank to get quarters
>"can't wait to get home, it's hot out there"
>"you're sitting down in a 60 degree chilled building. i just took apart a bunch scaffolding on the hot side of a 100 foot tall building. what's more is i'd stay for more if i didn't have a dog at home to take out"
Told her I was just being facetious and went about the transaction but went ahead and filed a big, beefy complaint later anyways. Last I ever saw her :^)

The games are shit anyway, sure let the industry kill itself

>I feel like it would fuck over Western devs

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Is this thread an out of season april fools joke?

user we're clearly talking about AAA game companies here where money is everything. There's no point in indie devs unionizing because the whole company is like 3-4 guys.

Why do Americans hate workers so much?

Sure if they feel they want to in order to help their cause. Of course there are always corporate bootlickers/neoliberals like that don't know squat but argue from a theoretical world

Yes.

Also as someone who has made a video game, shit like crunch is always going to happen. People don't understand how addictive it is building the game at the point. It feels like the worst, most exploitative mobile game. It feels like having a jigsaw puzzle in another room that you've worked on for days and it only has ten pieces left to finish. You can't just step away.

It's obviously not a good thing for your home country. You are denying that job to someone who lives there so you can cheap out and send that money to some other country out there. Apart from simply the job angle how about the economics behind having people in your country buy your products, then you use that money to pay employees and funnel it to another country. Though I guess it does work out in coming back to you if you sell your products there.

Still, how is outsourcing jobs, especially to other countries a good thing? We've become so connected you've become replaceable in some positions by anyone in the whole world, so you get fucked simply by wanting the same living conditions as everyone else in your country, since someone in some other hellhole is certainly asking for less than you

Unions are trash for lazy faggots

Doesn't answer my question American.

No, but you can placate a Union with platitudes, especially one formed by retards who have no bargining experience and then slowly phase them out.

Yes because a lot of times when a workplace unionizes, the company goes under

modern gaming already is

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>Still, how is outsourcing jobs, especially to other countries a good thing?
Because it puts people you don't like out of a job

>western devs unionize
>development all moves to eastern europe

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I don't understand why unions are a thing outside of trade workers. They're the only group that have a legitimate historical reason for unionizing.

If that workplace can only function on exploitation then it can fuck off, it shouldn't have a place in society. Its welfare off the back of its workers.

I think Gamers should rise up

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I am not American but SJW shouldn't even have human rights

Any industry that has a capacity exploit workers has a legitimate use for unions.

>if publishers were forced to work with unions, then microtransactions and consumer costs would increase.

Cost isn't a 1 dimensional scale of more or less

I really see Epic going under if they have to start implementing reasonable hours alright

I'm a corporate bootlicker by pointing out that corporations would much rather care about their profits than employee wellbeing unless it also affects their profits somehow? I'm all for better conditions for any worker if the company above them can afford it and you bet your ass most of these companies can afford it, but you know they will never do anything out of the goodness of their hearts. They will never look at a union and say "you are right, we have been a bit unfair with our fellow employees, promotions for everyone!"

As soon as they hear anything about a potential union they are already looking into what they may lose and how they may fix the issue in any way that isn't simply giving everyone better conditions because that costs more.

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Id love to see the blue hair tumblr trannies stand up to corporate america and watch them get fucking fired

I don't fucking care as long as good games get made.
I don't mind in the slightest if a job that would be given to a liberal transvetite who wants to shove her politics in a game today is given to a 3rd worlder who justs wants to do his job and make money. I couldn't give less of a shit about the economics as long as i'm satisfied with the end product.

So people shouldn't have rights because you don't like them? You can fuck off with that shit.

Sjws have no rights

No, if all they were doing was stopping unpaid overtime it would be fine but unions always go too far.

SJWs are not "people"

>but you know they will never do anything out of the goodness of their hearts
Mostly not no.
>As soon as they hear anything about a potential union they are already looking into what they may lose and how they may fix the issue in any way
Yeah good luck with trying to get pajeet to make games I say. Not to mention the cost of setting such a venture up and the downtime in production lol

Always? Or just always according to people who have vested interest in making you think that?

Yes. Because i want games to cost 125 dollars so the industry can finally die

But almost every industry does not exploit workers these days. Its just that workers are getting lazier and lazier. They want more for less. When they arent granted their magical 20 hour work week with full benefits, they think unionization is the answer.

And do you seriously not realize the issue with outsourcing a job to another whole country, to someone who does not truly give a fuck about what they are doing other than seeing shiny dollar signs? It's like if I told you that I'm going to hire you to work at Mcdonalds here in my country even though I don't think you'd do that great at it and I'll be paying you $40 an hour. Which to you may be a fuckton of money for the position, but in my fictional country it's below minimum wage so truly I'm saving costs. On one end you have a publisher who doesn't give a fuck about the quality of the product and is only looking at numbers, for cutting costs and on the other you have an employee who is most certainly not going to "give his best" because he's being paid a lot, but may even half ass it since his job is basically guaranteed.

tl;dr Why do you think you'll be satisfied with the end product when it's tainted by the politics or done by people with no passion from other countries?

yes, PEOPLE need to have rights, and in some extend even animals need to be protected from abuse but after that we need to put the line; tools, machines or NPCs can't have rights

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Gamedev is barely different than other computer programming, you can't unionize the entire field of programming. If Activision devs tried to unionize then Activision could easily replace them with domestic programmers.

I dont care i barely play video games anymore lol

100 hour work weeks? Lazier and lazier? We're talking about conditions at AAA gaming companies and the staff are anything but lazy.

yeah but only the AAA games which you shouldn't give a shit about. let them die or be bought up by retards with no regard for their money's worth

>hurr the house slaves had it easy

Having to sit in front of a computer screen for hours until your eyes feel like they're about to catch fire while having to deal with shitty people isn't a fucking picnic either.

t. neet

>implying people won't still be buying FIFA and Madden even if the price tag breaks 200 burgercoins
if anything i'd wager the AAA industry would strive from a price increase, people will but anything as long as it's attached to a big brand, no matter what.

Factory workers and waitresses who actually do physical work do 100 weeks all the time just to get by. Its hard for me to care about skinny nerds who need to sit in front of a computer for 100 hours, when in reality, they were going to do that anyways on their own time

>strive
meant thrive*

Try it, let me know how long it takes before you want to kill yourself like 90% of office drones. You want an easy life don't you?

not all unions are equal
some are shit that just add extra red tape and it is easy for retards to elect corrupt union reps. That would easily be something the retards in the vidya industry would do

Neither of those scenarios should happen in a first world country. Also game dev is much more taxing than you probably think.

absolute kino

Most countries have some kind of IT workers union or guild. Join that. Done.

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No because video games are a joke

FPBP. Fuck game devs. I couldn't care less if they're forced to work 100 hour weeks.

It's pretty pathetic when even the organisation that has a vested interest in protecting your interests is fucking you. Independence and self reliance seems like a code for "pls don't hurt me massa I'll stay quiet"

>gamers are so cringy and entitled amirite? isn't it just super cringy when they call devs on their shit? "GAMERS RISE UP" hahaha it's so silly

>GAMEDEVS UNIONIZE

Reminder that unions are the reason why new cars cost 50,000 burger dollars. You want 200 dollar video games? Go ahead, union up.

>200 dollar AAA video games
Wouldn't bother me

Corporate cuck.

they are already nearing that with all the dlc and microtransactions

If thats the cost of not having a workforce treated like trash then don't be a shitheel and pay it.

>we could free the slaves but someone think of the price of cotton!!!

>he doesn't understand cause and effect
If AAA can charge 200, indie devs will easily raise their prices.

I think so many underageb&, cross-boarders, and NEETs have revealed themselves with this thread.
What? The software development, languages, and applications needed are pretty different from Gamedev from other fields of programming. Unless you're willing to do on-the-job training with pay you're not going to convince a 'computer programmer' (nebulous term) to do Gamedev, especially since the industry is notoriously bad.

Who the fuck would work themselves to death for a worse job in gamedev?
Unless you meant domesticated programmers. Lord knows they'd try

Fair point but consider the folowing:
I don't like current game devs and wish nothing but misfortune upon them.

>get an education in a shit industry thats widely known to be absolutel shit
>get a job at a shit company doing shit work
>wtf why is this job shit?
Game devs are dumb

1) Free lancers and Indian, Hong Kong etc studios exists already
2) It would mean having to re-train a lot of people.

>Please join our game company we pay half your salary and double your wages

Nearly everyone who works in game dev can get more from working in another industry

>half your salary and double your wages
You dont know what any of this means do you?

Ahem... If I could make a brief toast here...

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I think a lot of game devs could strong arm labor negotiations with their companies. Arguably you could fire and replace them with warm bodies, but the lower quality from inexperienced workers will bite them in the ass.
Also a good portion of discontent game devs just become indie devs, and they find success without a company. Imagine if EA fought to keep the SuperGiant dudes.

>NEETS discussing jobs
Lel

>that basedboy faced neckbeard in the crowd

fucking powerful

idk lol

What is the story of this guy? I keep seeing him, but I can never get context.

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>months before blizzcon blizzard teases about there being diablo projects in the works
>finally blizzcon shows up
>there's talk of a diablo announcement
>a shitty mobile game made by another company is announced
>some confused clapping and silence in the crowd
>q/a time
>red shirt guy gives question screener a fake question
>asks to some dev or whatever if this is an out of season april fools joke
>the dev on stage answering spergs out

What a man.

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I see it's time for KINO photo

youtube.com/watch?v=73yT9UXJLT0

Journalists, shills and fans said they were not entitled to getting a Diablo 4 or expansion announcement forgetting that going to Blizzcon likely means a long trip plus something like 50-60? Dollars, plus you are a customer, you are the one who allows them to exist.

yeah it really showed how many blind blizz supporters were out there and how far they'd go to ride that blizz dick

ah it was easy to find
>Tickets for the first BlizzCon were US$50 for admission to both days of activities. For the 2007 and 2008 events, prices were $100. In 2009, the price was raised to $125. For 2010, the price was raised to $150. For 2011, the price was raised to $175 and for 2013 the price remained at $175.[1] For 2014, the price was raised to $199 and the BlizzCon Benefit Dinner went from $500 to $750, which includes admission.[2] From 2015 to 2018, the prices have remained at the 2014 level. The ticket price includes a goody bag that contains items such as in-game prizes, beta keys for upcoming Blizzard games and exclusive Blizzard paraphernalia.

So basically going to Blizzcon means that you bought 2 brand new games, and then you are told they are making a mobile game.

and that's not even counting that for most people they had to travel + get a hotel

Of course they are, that's why they're so horrible and a actual threat to the things you love.
They're just as human as you, but wrong.

>implying