ITT: overrated games

The only ones who still think NES games are great are manchildren. Look at AVGN's budd Mike. He's got the autism.

LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE SHIT

t. casual zoomies

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>Most of the NES library.

Because they're formative games and blueprints for future titles. Dragon Quest, for example, is basically JRPG 101 that has ironically become fresh and unique because other JRPGs dropped elements they didn't like.

Yep

Based on the Xenoblade threads I've been to all being porn or waifufagging i'm gonna say the latter. its also one of the few JRPGs on the switch so that could only add to its popularity. i doubt its bad but a lot of its hype is girls and being on the switch.

Earthbound is better.

how about non-overrated games among the canon classics, i'll start: super metroid

>ITT: Games the anons posting them didn't play

It's alright, I don't give a shit about the girls but story-wise there's a bit more to love than just them. And by that I mean the villains are pretty fucking good. Malos especially, since he says pretty much everything like 10 decibels higher than the rest of the cast

All Zelda games, especially the first are over rated.

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dragon quest basically took western rpgs and simplified them for limited console capacities. what turned into an institution in japan was getting toriyama onboard.

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FF6 and 8 are superior

Imagine caring what other people think

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I played it, it’s a run of the mill JRPG.

Imagine being stabbed in vagina with fucking nodachi

FF7 and Chrono Trigger are top tier. The problem is that y'all are actually dumb as fuck.

remake 2 and basedkiro

So basically just post popular games for the sake of being contrarian? Here

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SMT Nocturne

Sekiro is underrated.

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just started playing this and I'm pretty underwhelmed so far.
For what's supposedly the best RPG of all time I expected to get my mind blown from the start

...

Still good though

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>FF7
Movie games cannot be top tier.

Everything in this picture that appears more than once, because POPULAR IS BAD!

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okay, user, can you explain why it's so good then.

it's near-impossible to dislike but it didn't grip me too much either, stay with it though you get new environments

That’s not how it works you fucking faggot, the burden of proof is on you to explain why the 2nd most acclaimed game ever is bad

>FF7
>movie game
Haha ok

Nah, it is very slow to start. The true thrills begin once you are time traveling more, you already know the goal is to beat Lavos, and start building the party. Getting all the endings is interesting, too.

>FF7
>Not a movie game

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we don't have to imagine

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Here's one: any game that's popular according to Yea Forums

I never said it was bad, just not what I expected. I haven't even finished it yet.

More like a book or graphic novel. The "movie" elements are minimal.

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getting all the endings is not interesting at all

> popular games
> saturn
lol

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>can't believe there is a 10 hour movie about final fantasy 7
>actually believes there is a 10 hour movie about final fantasy 7

it's called a video game
how..do you even breath?

>Best game of all time
>Overrated

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>Most overrated game of all time
>Best

dark souls is really fucking good

Name one (1) game better than Dark Souls.

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>ITT: overrated games
any game that starts with this

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Literally any JRPG

the ones already mentioned in this very thread for a start :)

you are truly the dumbest faggot in this thread

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Left 4 Dead is repeititve as fuck. I don't see the appeal.

What game isn't repetitive?

Irrelevant meme garbage that nobody likes

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I agree with him. Any game with Lost Izalith and Bed of Chaos should never hold the title of best game. Unfinished games should be automatically disqualified.

Only good games on there:
FFVI
BOTW
CSOTN
SMB3
RE4
Earthbound
MP
MGS3
HL2
MGS

>MGS
>Game

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I'm amazed Metal Gear managed to make a bent line so interesting to poeple.

more like it panders to Japanese people who plays gacha shit.
I went in even after watching the stupid Dunkey vid and all the shitposting the game gets originally turning me away. The game and its awkwardness kinda grows on you the more you play. It's far from perfect, but I think it provides a solid JRPG experience outside of simply waifufagging.

Nothing wrong with linearity, pcuk
Cope

most people who advance the common complaints against dark souls have played through it like seven times

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Just because NES games didn't age well doesn't mean games weren't good back then. They were plenty good and great games. Arcades was also full of great games, which many got ports when SNES and Genesis came out. Most of the SNES and Genesis library were ports of Arcade titles.
So it seems your real argument is that games only truly got "good" when consoles had access to Arcade-quality games.

SMB3 is the only NES game that really holds up. Ninja Gaiden 2 is close, but it has some pretty bad flaws (enemies constantly respawning at edge of screen, etc). Blaster Master is a close third, its major flaw is finding out where to go sometimes and final boss is anticlimactic. All other NES games are strictly aesthetics or nostalgia.

Console non-action JRPGs were in general trash until PS1 era simply due to gameplay limitations. Including Chrono Trigger, which only aged better purely because of aesthetics. It wishes it was Secret of Mana in terms of gameplay.
I can't go back and play any pre-PS1 JRPG game and say I'm enjoying myself, including older gen Pokemon.

I can replay System Shock 1 (1994) and appreciate it for what it tried to do, even if it enemy sprites look like ass now. I can't appreciate older JRPGs because they're just boring games with aesthetic appeal.

I know I'm a weird guy. Gameplay matters to me more than anything.

>Gameplay matters to me more than anything.
You should stay as far away from JRPGs as you can, then.

>It wishes it was a bad game in terms of gameplay.
Imagine unironically believing this

you don't know what the fuck you're talking about at all

No, I'm pretty sure that shit game isn't underrated. It gets the amount of praise it deserves.

Filtered by Chained Ogre.

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Tbf most games have unfinished elements.

Most of the Megaman titles and Super Mario Bros games hold up pretty well. They're for the most part fair games that don't overly punish you. You could make the case for shit like Ninja Gaiden, because that had some actual bullshit. But the above is pretty fair. Hell even Gradius is not THAT punishing. No more than its arcade counterpart or Gradius 2 and 3.

>Here's a fairly nice platformer/Metroidvania
>Kill 3-4 Guardians
>Psych, you're actually playing a fucking puzzle game, enjoy the vague, sometimes poorly translated, puzzle hints in regard to how to get through to the other zones

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Git gud.

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Most JRPGs are trash period. Very few really stand out as particularly good games, including PS1 titles. Yes, even Suikoden was boring as fuck. I'm sorry, but nostalgiafags need to come to terms with it. You all have fond memories of it, and that's great. But it was boring.

>Secret of Mana
>worse than Chrono Trigger
cope
JRPGs were mostly fine in PS1-era though because they had better gameplay and minigames and experimented with gameplay elements. Pre-PS1 turn-based JRPGs are almost all trash gameplay wise.
Even my favorite being Breath of Fire 2 was still pretty hard to replay. Breath of Fire 3 is just infinitely better.
PS2-Era turn-based JRPGs were mostly trash with a few exceptions.
Turn-based JRPGs are mobile-tier trash now. Nobody tries to do anything interesting.
typical response from someone that doesn't actually give a shit about gameplay

There's literally no way the majority of people who played the game didn't have to use a guide at one point or another. I'll even admit to being bad at riddles and puzzles, but the game was still ridiculous with them. Shit like having to pause the game to fall asleep to unlock a chest? Honestly now.

Chrono Trigger is the least bad game of all time, and if you disagree, you're a faggot.

>Secret of Mana
literally FF Adventure, except shit

FFV was pure sex based on the job system alone. Also, Live A Live was kino. FFIII was fine as well, provided you aren't a casual who gets filtered by Crystal Tower. Also, Tactics Ogre was great. PS1 Final Fantasy games are fine from a story aspect, but gameplay wise they took a step backwards by axing job system.

Gameplay wise Legend of Mana didn't really make any significant improvements either. In fact most would agree it took a step backwards from Seiken Densetsu 3. I'm inclined to agree. Not saying Legend was bad, but it certainly wasn't as good. Oh and Dragon Quest 7 will never be as good as 3. It was a huge step backwards in terms of pacing, and its gameplay did not make any significant improvements over the last few SNES DQ titles.

This. FF Adventure shits all over Secret of Mana.

NES Megaman certainly holds up pretty good, but I don't tend to look back on it as fondly outside Megaman3 with slide-kick. The enjoyment of the games is along the same as Castlevania games where playing it minimally is a chore but getting a good streak of item drops increases the enjoyment tenfold. Same argument could be applied to Ninja Gaiden, but its core gameplay has more to it.

NES through SNES/Gensis era games were littered with coin-eating and RNG mechanics to artificially extent whats normally an hour-long at best. Some more detrimental, some more enjoyable. That kind of stuff usually doesn't fly these days and you could never justify $60 price tag.

FF Adventure is the first Secret of Mana game you morons. Seiken Densetsu

and secret of mana sucks compared to it, what's your point retard?

Tactics Ogre was amazing absolutely, but not a traditional JRPG. That style of gameplay I enjoy a lot, unlike Fire Emblem-tier strategy trash.
If all NES/SNES FF games played like Tactics games I'd probably respect them more, but I just can't. Lots of RPG elements with decent aesthetics but horribly shallow gameplay.

No it doesn't. You're just being a contrarian cause you have nothing to argue.
FF Adventure had a better premise and simple but solid gameplay while Secret of Mana (SNES) had weird aesthetic divergence but improved gameplay for a 1993 console game compared to 1995 Chrono Trigger which barely made any technical strives except being one of the better ATB-based JRPGs.

Secret Of Mana is just a grindier, clunkier bloated version of FFA, it improves nothing you tasteless brainlet

compared to NES and 80s arcade games, SNES and Genesis titles were acyually pretty fair. Even arcade ports like Gradius let you cheese through them with shit like the Konami code. Games like Megaman X, Super Metroid, Kirby Super Star, Sonic, Addams Family, they were pretty generous by comparison. Fun yet still challenging enough. SNES era felt like the best of both worlds really.

I mean, I go back to SNES games way more than I do N64/PS1. Super Mario 64 was fun, but nothing held my attention like World did. Even Yoshi's Story paled in comparison to Yoshi's Island. Contra was raped on PlayStation by the way.

Bliodborne.

Don't get me wrong, it's not bad, but it is way to over hyped on Yea Forums like its GOAT, I don't understand it

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zelda games are trash

>has a 12 inch dick
>makes a good living
>has a girlfriend

Get rekt little dick NEETs.

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It defined what "run of the mill JRPG" means.
Everyone's been trying to be Chrono Trigger for twenty years.

And man, if you find that every other game actually manages to do it just as well, I'd like to take recommendations from you. What's your favorites of the past decade?

Some certainly are. Every cartridge or disc that doesn't work anymore is essentially trash.

This right here bar none. Looks like shit and has shit fucking gameplay (reading dialogue text isnt gameplay btw).

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>grindier
Almost unchanged in grinding unless you count optional content.
>clunkier
FFA was a glorified Zelda clone with tact-on RPG elements while Secret of Mana improved nearly every aspect of the core gameplay while diverging away from environmental interactions in favor of more traditional RPG-related elements which may or may not have involved "grinding".
>bloated
With what? Dialogue? NPCs? The extra characters? Optional things you didn't need to do?

Just face it. The aesthetics rubbed you the wrong way so you instantly dismiss all the gameplay.

Saying it has worse gameplay has zero merit. Saying it has slightly different/divergent gameplay has some merit.

Best Zelda. Fight me.

>It defined what "run of the mill JRPG" means
Wrong, it was one of the last 16 bit JRPGs

>Everyone's been trying to be Chrono Trigger for twenty years
Everyone such as?

Alright, so you just made super obvious that you didn't play it. Thank you.

Try again with an actual argument this time

>Saying it has slightly different/divergent gameplay
nice meaningless non-statement that means nothing
>With what? Dialogue? NPCs? The extra characters? Optional things you didn't need to do?
try weapon and magic grinding you idiot

I guess Ill say Majora's Mask. As a huge fan of OoT I played it, as things looked pretty much the same as they did in Ocarina...For some reason though, I just could never get into it like I thought I would have been able to..Whatever it was about it, just never captured me as most of the other Zelda games did, especially OoT. These days I see it consistently rated as one of the top Zelda experiences, but I sadly can't agree with that.

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>6
Yes
>8
Absolutely the fuck not.

N64 as a console was overrated lets be honest. Outside first-party titles it didn't have much. Gamecube didn't fair much better in this regard.
PS1/Ps2 had such a slew of titles and re-ports (and backward compatibility) It was basically SNES/Genesis era 2.0 and you only had to go back farther if something didn't get ported.

I'm not denying SNES/Gensis wasn't a good era, but a lot of the things people had fondness for were either arcade ports, remasters of arcade ports, or games inspired by arcade games.
JRPGs, mainly the traditional turnbased ones, had dog-shit gameplay but good enough RPG elements and aesthetics to carry them.
Earthbound is entirely aesthetically driven.

I don't fault people for enjoying games for their aesthetics first and gameplay second. I just prefer gameplay first, and for aesthetics to supplement the gameplay.
No amount of good graphics will make me enjoy a game with bad gameplay, but good enough gameplay that uses aesthetics to mask the other-wise simple gameplay I can enjoy.

Games that don't do anything innovative gameplay-wise are a hard-pass from me, including flavor of the month copycats.

Imagine having your death be romanticized and cried over as "SO TWAGIC" when in reality it was caused by your own retardation.

Natural selection killed Aerith.

>nice meaningless non-statement that means nothing
You don't give a shit about gameplay. Just admit it.
>try weapon and magic grinding you idiot
Only had to grind if you wanted to use all of them. Optional.
You were given choice and you wanted all the choices; this increases your grinding time.

you have no idea what good gameplay is to begin with

The game has always been bad, but you don't play WoW for the game, it's the people and community you were a part of, whether it be raiding rp or pvp bros. That's what keeps the subs.

pardon me, i'm scrollng down the front page, and i am not trying to dismiss your statement, but i'd like to correct your spelling real quick
your instance of the word "fair" in an early line in your post is being used incorrectly, the word you were looking for was "fair"
homographs are assholes

have a good day

Oot and trigger. They're okay games. But nowhere near the best games of all time. Trigger is pathetically short as well.

Chrono Trigger is the fast food of JRPGs. Doesn't do anything special, but appeals to a wide audience.
>who cares if it looks like Dragonball
everyone that enjoyed the game
You're full of shit if you say otherwise.

not him but metal gear series is a shitty stealth game, the only one worth playing is metal gear 2 solid snake and ghost babel

stfu p.cuck

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Deus Ex, thief, system shock 2

never even heard of these shitty games till i came here

I like people like you because you help to keep NES games cheap. Thanks to idiots like you I've amassed a substantial collection of great games and the NES is the best system ever made.

Chrono Trigger isn't overrated, its a great game. FF6 fucking sucks though, it has no business routinely ranking in these best games of all time lists. Chrono Trigger in particular buried that shit pile considering they came out around the same time and CT is so much better in every conceivable way.

Speaking of Final Fantasy, FFT is a bit overrated. Not to the extent that FFVI is overrated because FFT is actually a good game. But it's overrated to the extent that most people tend to treat it like a perfect masterpiece, but nobody ever seems to mention how the story is pretty lackluster. FFT's characters and narrative are weak

Any NES recommendations for an aspiring rom collector?

You mean I used "fair" as a verb instead of "fare" yeah I did.
I should've said "do" since using "fare" relates to monetary success and I wasn't referring to that.

Good like what? Christian Minecraft server?
Naw. You don't know what you mean, forget it.

I actually agree with this post, VI is one of the rare FFs I didn't finish (even finished FF2 on the nes a couple of times)
Furthest I got was the final dungeon when the game expected me to form three parties again, I said I'd get back to it but never did
Trigger shits all over it

>rp, raiding, and pvp keeps the subs
Its no wonder you think WoW was always bad.

>Christian Minecraft server?
The fuck are you talking about? You know what, never mind, I bet even that has better gameplay than an """""action"""""" RPG where you hitting an enemy or not is decided by stats instead of whether you ACTUALLY HIT THEM

Lol nice try but I played it day one. It's not bad, I just don't get all the hype everyone has for it.

Chrono Trigger is absolutely overrated as a game. When you separate it as a game, it stops being overrated. This applies to almost all traditional JRPGs pre-PS1 era to the point people shit on Secret of Mana because it came out two-years beforehand and exposes Chrono Trigger for being a painfully generic game with above-average aesthetics.

FFT is overrated because most people that played FFT never heard of Tactics Ogre, the better game.

You're right I'm sorry I value gameplay more in a video game. My bad.
You're the same kind of moron that says "you can't watch the anime if you haven't read the manga" as if its universally applicable that the manga is better than the anime, or viceversa.

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>You're right I'm sorry I value gameplay
too bad you don't value GOOD gameplay you pathetic faggot

>no random encounters
>actual 100% time travel theme, not some time tranny dilation shit
>multiple characters can participate in an attack
>where the enemy is positioned on the screen can change how effective the attack is
>multiple ways to approach the final boss
>multiple endings
"People only like this game because it's Final Fantasy but not called Final Fantasy"

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You have me at a disadvantage. I played Secret of Mana but I remember almost nothing about it. Isn't it just a generic JRPG? I don't remember it being comparable to Chrono Trigger

I love 7 for its end game content.

You fell for the meme. Those areas are fine, just not as good as the rest of the game.

I can't find one wrong thing you said.

Mgs3

mgs2 the best

You don't know what you mean when you say that.
You already admitted you care more about aesthetics than gameplay. You value the aesthetics of the gameplay, rather than the gameplay itself.

No matter how painfully generic or simple a game is, as long as it has good aesthetics you'll eat it up.

Also FF Adventure is an ADVENTURE game, not an RPG. Specifically advertised as an Adventure game. (Literally in the title)
Secret of Mana is an Action RPG, specifically advertised as an Action RPG.

You're just a moron that likes eyecandy. Doesn't care what the candy is made out of. As long as it looks good and tastes good.

>Grinding for magic is a complaint about aesthetic, not gameplay
>Grinding weapon levels is a complaint about aesthetics, not gameplay
>Stats deciding whether you hit something or not in an ACTION RPG is a complaint about aesthetics, not gameplay

based retard

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nah that user was right, you're a total faggot with extremely shitty opinions that are so laughably cringeworthy I was sure you were a troll but here you are still goin at it

Secret of Mana is an Action RPG, one of the better ones, while Chrono Trigger is just an ATB (active-time-battled)-based RPG that mimics Secret of Mana's action RPG style through turn-based combat, including the combo system. Even the main boy and girl in the game share design elements. This is because Square loves reusing game assets. Their excuse this time is that they hired on Toriyama to do the artwork.
If you want more proof that Square reuses character assets. Look at Escaflowne and Final Fantasy 7.

my god just shut the fuck up

Not an argument. Enjoy your life as a low-IQ moron that doesn't care how things work and just wants things to look pretty and accessible.

Leave the thread then you irrelevant piece of shit.

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Correct.
People only like the game because it had art designed by Akira Toriyama instead of Tetsuya Nomura.
Every time people post about the game, its always the artwork. Its never the gameplay. Same could be said for any traditional JRPG.

People with fondness for the gameplay are in the same vein of people that played FFT but not Tactics Ogre. If it weren't for Final Fantasy being in the title, you never would've played it.

Are you telling me that the only reason I like Chrono Trigger is because Akira Toriyama and not Tetsuya Nomura made the artwork?