>Epic Games Inc., the studio behind Fortnite, agreed to purchase Psyonix Inc., taking over a longstanding partner and developer of the soccer-inspired video game Rocket League.
>The transaction is expected to close by early June, Psyonix said in a statement Wednesday. Terms of the agreement weren’t released.
>“This is a great move for the Rocket League esports ecosystem because it significantly increases our potential reach and resources, just like it does for the game itself,” Psyonix said.
Meanwhile, Valve is playing with their tiny VR shaped dick as Epic gets Rocket League 2 or something similar.
Valve is playing with their piles of cash, watching Epic burn theirs. Throwing piles of money at games and then not making it back is an unsustainable business model, and won't last. Epic is burning through their stockpile to build a better customer base than Fortnite kids, and Valve would be a fool to also burn their money.
Robert James
this is so epic
Blake Miller
>Steam reveals Index >Epic later buys a studio and its game. kek
Ethan Richardson
Wow! Paying customers once again getting shafted with an inferior product and service. What a twist.
There may not be any reason now to choose epic over steam, but what if in a year all of the new good games are on EPIC? This is hypothetical of course, but Steam would not be making good business decisions by ignoring EPIC and how they are slowly gaining exclusives.
I honestly have no dog in this fight because I only play on console but it is healthy, and could make for even better games. Publishers tend to make money by giving exclusive rights to a particular company, money is a resource that can be put back into the game, or to make even more games. I understand its probably a pain in the ass for you, the consumer, but it could literally lead to bigger and better games. I'm not saying it will or that its guaranteed to, but it definitely could.
If Valve decides to stand idly by why EPIC "strongarms" the market, that is Valve's decision to let that happen. They can just as easily make a more attractive offer, but once all the games go to EPIC, then I'm sure they'll be plenty of reasons for people to use it. I know its not ideal but its something that could definitely happen.
Ethan Ward
>all those faggotrons crying about the disabled review bombing in the previous thread Because people look for reviews about games to read about how the developer did a meanie to you on Twitter and not about, say, if the game is good and worth their money, right?
>Throwing piles of venture capital at anything and everything and then not making it back is how the biggest companies in the world got as big as they did*
This will not be in my top 10 epic gamer moments list.
Connor Foster
>Yea Forums changes valve drone to pc bro
Aiden King
you already posted this last thread and got btfo
Jeremiah Peterson
Reminder that Epic Games Store will kill every store not owned by a publisher (except Steam), like GOG.com, Humble Store, GamersGate, ZOOM Platform, Itch.io, FireFlower Games and so on.
Thanks Epic Games for destroying the diversity of stores in the PC market.
Connor Gomez
>*hits pipe* I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than being a buyfag. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are buying from, subscribing to, playing the product of, and defending a corporation solely so they can go and get your games locked onto certain digital stores. All the hard work devs put into their beautiful games - sculpting their bodies, getting the animations just right, figuring out what their audience wants, designing a fun experience. All of it has one simple result: their game is more enjoyable for one particular audience that will buy it on another storefront. Made the perfect game? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random alt-right russian hacker incel who has nothing to do with digital stores, who just pirates the game. He gets to play the game without any sort of interruption or DRM. He gets the benefits of the game's good times, the way the devs intended. As a "man" who has a PC, you are LITERALLY dedicating years of your life supporting a publisher simply to support games for other storefront consumers to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically.
Developers have grown a backbone and started standing up to Valve about the revenue split. If wasn't for Epic, none of them would've come forward and voiced their displeasure with Valve practices. Epic empowered the small guy developer against evil Valve empire
Justin Roberts
Theyre making too much money from Fortnite faggot.
Lincoln Allen
ruined the point I was trying to make but all well
Jaxson Watson
I'm pretty sure psyonix is literally rolling in money ever since they released rocket league.
Cooper Roberts
It's pretty easy to see if a bombing was done out of incel butthurt or devs genuinely being kikes if you spend the two seconds to read a couple reviews
Liam Walker
are you memeing or are you serious?
Nolan Jackson
The sad part is that there are people who legitimately think like this
Gavin Rogers
valve drones on suicide watch
Juan Brooks
>People here bought Mordhau and Octopath Traveler, a games in UE4
OH NO NO NO NO NO
Jonathan Gomez
>developers have grown a backbone >getting bought out by direct competition = standing up to valve
>build 4 years of community growth using the API steam provided when they released on the platform >kill all your community goodwill by accepting chink bugmen money
All of Epic's games are going to Steam after a bit anyways, and they'll be patched and in better shape by then anyways, so whats the point?
Jaxson Cox
Not an excuse.
Blake Adams
>Rocket League Does anyone genuinely even care anymore? It will never be as popular as it used to be before the Battle Royale craze made everyone forget it existed. Went back to it for the first time in ages a few weeks ago and it’s pathetic how much useless shit (like borders for your username and fucking fleshlights for your exhaust pipes) they added to try and get people to come back. Of course, it all costs money, too.
Juan Lee
>pirating multiplayer games retard spotted
Dylan Harris
>It will just push people to pirate >thinking this
Not everyone is a fucking cry baby. They'll just download and install Epic Game Launcher and buy it.
Eli Flores
It's not about money, it's about making the industry as walled of a garden as possible. They're more butthurt about steam forums and reviews than they are about the revenue split.
Grayson Johnson
If you are one of the few people still gaming on Linux Buy Rocket League on steam right now, the Epic Store does not support and will never support Linux
Nolan Ortiz
Review bombing is the only thing that makes kikes respond because it might threaten sales. They ignore the forums most of the time, and companies like EA have teams of jannies solely so they don't have to see the negative reviews themselves.
Ian Bell
That's not how it works, sweetie. The only reason big companies get big like that is to burn a lot of money so they can crush and buy the competition, something that will not happen between Epic and Valve because both of them are too big to fail like that.
Kayden Hernandez
/pol/faggotry isn't an excuse either. Game reviews should be reviews about games. Valve has the right idea.
John Morris
Gamers have proven that they're not willing to wait. I know so many people who bought Arkham City when I knew a GOTY version was coming
Not to mention early access titles like Kenshi or Project Zomboid that have taken YEARS to update
Parker Wright
Pirate servers and cracks have been a thing for at least a decade, buddy.
And switching to a different platform, meaning that people who bought the game on steam will be missing out on DLC and possibly even updates does not impact the game at all?
Jacob Martinez
>GamersGate, ZOOM Platform, Itch.io, FireFlower Games Who?
Jackson Thompson
>reposting this when you got BTFO last thread I will just link your post to those who care:
Colton Gray
>he doesn't know about spacewar
Elijah Kelly
>all these paypigs tripping over themselves and arguing about which digital store they'll have to buy games from
>money going back into the game Just like those who said games going digital would result in lower prices, that paid online would mean a better service, and that bigger budgets would mean better games?
You think throwing more money at something makes it better?
None of that is confirmed, but that'd be valid, yes. All of that is directly connected to the game and its content availability.
Nathan Cooper
>pirate servers have fun playing with the same 5 russian guys for the next 20 years :) >inb4 b-b-but steampunks have fun constantly getting cucked with each update
Jayden Jones
Why the fuck would I be meming about something so serious? I bought Baba is you on Steam a couple of days ago for $15 and it hit me how the dev is only taking just $10 from it. Fuck Valve for kicking down the small defenseless devs who can't stand up to them. I hope Epic pummels Valve to a pulp for bullying the little guys
Joshua Kelly
Time for Yea Forums to bitch about MORE competition
Christian Jones
>paypig cope Better watch out, Epic might remove your favorite multiplayer game from Steam!
>Developers have grown a backbone and started standing up to Valve about the revenue split And those pesky gamer opinions.
>Epic empowered the small guy developer against evil Valve empire The small guy developer is still in the same shit, even worse since Epic is selective. Lower cuts appeals the most for big devs.
Nolan Turner
Moneyhatting a handful of AAA exclusives every year probably won't cause Epic to have a booming userbase buying a ton of games on their store. It's just going to fracture the fans of each individual game into begrudgingly buying that one game on their storefront and most likely nothing else, abandoning the series as a fuck you or some who just don't give a shit and will continue on with the different storefront as we've seen. Valve has said 15 years to build up Steam and is host to 90 million monthly active users and some of the most popular games with long running fanbases that they've developed on their own exclusive to their storefront while Epic has Fortnite and an Alpha of Unreal Tournament they never bothered to finish on that front. Epic will have to play the long game to get anywhere near where Steam is at and who knows how long their patience is for that.
>paypig If it were a singleplayer game, I wouldn't mind pirating it. But pirating multiplayer games just seems retarded and a waste of time. But if you guys find fun in playing against bots, by all means.
Anthony Fisher
Are you actually memeing? do you think the designer gets all the money you paid for it when you buy a shirt? or any other kind of retail?
Dominic Collins
isn't rocket league long past its prime
Hudson Turner
>Time for Yea Forums to bitch about MORE competition to see who can fuck the consumer more ftfy
I unironically don't give a fuck about market control. What I do give a fuck about is every company thinking I want to install their shitty launcher. I like Steam because it's convenient. If it's not on Steam I just don't give a fuck.
Yes, but not because of steam store. Yea Forums would celebrate it because valve has a long history of bringing on smaller studios and actually developing their ideas into more fleshed out games. This is about the only company to ever actually do this rather than just EA the acquired company away.
Xavier Green
If it means capturing a market, they can keep doing this for a while, is the problem. Tencent is th biggest gaming conglomerate on Earth right now, and if this captures the PC market then they'll burn all of epic down to do it.
Jonathan Bennett
That only didn't happen because Valve fucked everything up because they don't understand how business works. Now that Epic's coming in we're seeing real change.
Why are you comparing physical goods with fucking code that could be copy pasted? How does that justify Baba is You getting bullied into forking a big chunk of his sales revenue to Valve?
Wyatt King
>utorrent
Samuel Brooks
>Now that Epic's coming in we're seeing real change Yes, we will be fucked harder now.
Cameron Reyes
>2019 >utorrent m8...
Eli Smith
Don't use malwaretorrent.
Kevin Harris
>How does that justify Baba is You getting bullied into forking a big chunk of his sales revenue to Valve?
You think they would have made more money without Steam? Because I fucking doubt it.
Jace Williams
You cant be more of a paid shill if you tried.
Jack Russell
Install Deluge
Blake Hernandez
>How does that justify Baba is You getting bullied into forking a big chunk of his sales revenue to Valve? Big chunk? It's 30% a standard. Could it be lower? Maybe. But saying it's a big chunk like it's tyranical is really dumb.
there are items worth thousands of dollars in game and they are just going to switch to Epic's godawful security Epic can't even get 2FA to work properly
another game ruined by Epic and their need to buy things instead of actually creating a competitive platform
>servers are free >bandwidth is free >marketing is free >CC processing is free get fucked m8
Chase Martin
Buying the exclusivity to a years old game that already sold a shit ton and probably will only sell a fraction of what it already has in the future instead of just funding the sequel or an original idea by same team as an exclusive seems like a pretty retarded idea to me.
Michael Hernandez
Why doesn't the Baba dev also sell his game on Epic? He should just be able to get his game on there, right? Then he'll have a better share. Or will Epic not allow him there for whatever reason?
That was my first thought. Everybody who wants to own Rocket League already owns it.
>Wow I can finally continue to not buy this game but now I'm not buying it from a different platform
Real 4D chess from Epic there.
Elijah Lee
They're being subsidized by the Chinese government. They're not going to feel any backlash from this
Zachary Jenkins
>watching Epic burn theirs More like laughing as small developers burn their own cash after they sell 9 copies thanks to signing deals with epic
Nicholas White
you realize that bandwidth has to be paid for and that steam has data centers around the world so they can serve people worldwide? and that the devs can generate keys through steam that can be sold on other places that might give you even more of a cut or give it away to generate buzz for their game (EGS also have keys but who knows if they're lenient with them) And you realize Baba is You is also on the Switch which likely takes the same cut?
Leo Torres
All Gabe has to do is suck Phil Spencers dick so he puts ALL MS games on Steam day one.
>30% a standard a "standard" set by Valve and everyone in the digital space followed them.
Chase Stewart
It was already a standard before Valve.
Easton Anderson
Epic "curates" their store meaning they only allow flashy looking games and baba looks too simple. As much as steam's policy of letting anything on gets meme'd at it is literally the only reason we get games like baba (or many other indie games).
Jeremiah Anderson
What happens to owners of the game on Steam? They literally can no longer play a game they bought?
Grayson James
Nobody of you fucks even plays Rocket League, because it needs fucking skill
Epic said it was a misunderstanding or backed down for now. But taking the example of other games, it will still be available to play even if they leave.
Owen Jenkins
>Was noticing last night that the whole Epic Game Store bullshit had died down >Now this
Dammit. Guess they had to steal some attention for some reason. Didn't Valve's new VR kit sell out in less than a hour?
Oh I know exactly why the Baba dev couldn't just go to Epic. I was trying to get that user to understand that. I think Steam's cut is absolutely fair.
Alexander Price
if chat toxicity was bad before. it's about to get a lot worse. can already hear the 10 year olds calling me a nigger.
Joshua Reed
>Anno 1800 did I miss something? it's not cracked yet.
Jack Gutierrez
why do you think it died down, there's just no new games, it'll get even worse come E3 also index being sold out doesn't actually mean anything, it's not available in many countries so the stock could be limited for now, I don't remember if the Vive went through the same thing
Leo Morris
I play it because it has short matches and is easy to jump in and out I get to champ and then stop playing because I can't be asked to grind out to grand champ
>gamers have proven that they're not willing to wait >PC gaming as a whole is all about waiting years for console ports and games to leave EA That is quite possibly the most retarded post I've read on Yea Forums in a while and that is no small feat.
Austin Price
will you still be playing after this announcement? did you ever spend money aside from the game itself in the game?
Many people stop playing those early access games, or even die before they can play the completed version
Blake Howard
You could also have bought it on itch and make the revenue split lower then epic
Adrian Martinez
>Two years old Cope
Christopher Butler
I'm playing until this rocket pass is done and then I'm probably out if I had friends who played it more I would wait on their opinion but nobody I know really plays the game
Brayden Murphy
Steam doesn't have to do much right now, as long as the outrage continues. The decision for exclusivity is still in the publisher's hands. If certain publishers start pulling this shit more than once, then I would hope steam gets more aggressive
Isaac Reyes
Explain to me how this affects you negatively, what you have to use a different launcher that isn't your favorite one. You're so entitled, get over it and just enjoy your games, instead of crying over nothing
Eli Butler
>Clown world confirmations increase by the hour these days.
ah didnt see the date. but its a really bad idea to tweet to a developer that you pirated their game or something another. some will sue you and make you pay tenfold through settlements , what you would have for the game itself
Nathan Parker
Yeah, and continue waiting for the game to be released. I again fail to see how you could possibly associate PC gaming with not willing to wait. When many games, such as Kenshi, which you used, take a decade to leave EA and still get massive amounts of attention. Every game that takes forever to release on PC gets sales regardless. PC gaming is the last place to argue that people won't buy a game years after it first launched.
Owen Jones
where's the part where he gets BTFO?
Charles Smith
Epic is starting to buy studios. Said studios will only develop for Epic now. The ramifications of this will start to show 1 to 2 years from now, and by that time it will already be too late.
Joseph Sanders
>Muh Bandwitdth Are you fucking kidding me? Baba is fucking 200MB. that's like a corn kernel in a cornfield. The game isn't even big enough to fill a 1/3rd of CD-ROM. What does bullying a small dev accomplish that garnering resentment toward Valve like we're seeing right now?
Mason Parker
Only got to Diamond this season, then again, I started out when they finally announced the rewards. I'm most likely out already. I got the rocket pass, but I've already traded several keys for painted items I've wanted from this one, so I'm not really missing much. Hoping they pull a Bungie and somehow get out of this, but the chances of that happening are really slim. Also in the same boat, was the only person in my group that played it on the 3D plane, other friends would join in and are still confused on how people fly in the air.
Carter Cooper
Right, like that person.
Caleb Gonzalez
No just steam shills
I'm fine, it takes like 10 seconds to open a new launcher and then a couple of seconds to close it.
Leo Walker
>They didn't mention how much they paid BIG THINK OVER HERE
Since epic curates their store the dev you're talking about would get 0$ per sale on epic(because they wont be allowed on) instead of 10$ on steam XD
:^))))))))))
Lucas Gutierrez
Enjoy your botnet
Grayson Hill
>Ehhhhh? You bought a digital game? >And now they're saying that they're going to move it to a different store after you gave them your money? >Haha! What a fool you are.
>NO STOP LETTING PLAYERS KNOW WE'RE ABANDONING THEM It's almost laughable how people scream about review bombing being bad practice as it's blatantly saying they want their consumers to remain mindless idiots.
James Collins
nothing held the game to just steam rocket league has steam workshop so that's just tossed out the window also RL has in game items worth real money and with Epic's awful security that's just a recipe for disaster
imagine if csgo had epic security with its items kek
Jace Cruz
>thinking value isnt a botnet
AHAHAHAHAHA
Samuel Johnson
>bullying You keep using that word, user, and it only makes me want to actually bully you.
Gavin Peterson
>Explain to me how this affects you negatively It promotes a competition to see which platform favorites developers over consumers.
>what you have to use a different launcher that isn't your favorite one It will lower my options and will result in my current launcher also taking more pro devs anti consumer policies, which will restrict my ability to confront developers.
>You're so entitled Working for your interests is normal for anyone with brains.
>get over it and just enjoy your games Closing your eyes however and not acting shows ignorance and lack of awareness.
>instead of crying over nothing Completely stupid afirmation was listed before. You want me to describe again every anti consumer Epic policy, plus Steam after this competition started?
Steam version is going to stay where it is. Valve isn't owned by the chinese government
Christian Torres
Buying an entire company doesn't happen overnight. Psyonix was probably in discussions months before, probably during the time they started to go full esports jew with the rocket pass
Jace Powell
Just read the replies. >lol those are bad arguments Feel free to refute them. I want to see you try.
Josiah Myers
And now on "Big companies make cool games": After having been blessed by EA's appearance last episode, we happily welcome Epic to come forth with a state-of-the-art game with no microtransactions bullshit after having to buy the game full price. yay cant wait
Nathaniel Cook
Mfw
Tyler Perry
I fucking told you that steam has data centers worldwide (honestly so does epic), steam also has prepaid cards for third worlders which is way more than Epic does for everywhere in the world that's not America, you know Tim Sweeney literally said that the 12% cut is unsustainable in other regions?
Nolan King
>EpicGames family Lmao
Eli Perez
>it is the future >Epic has successfully destroyed steam, and is now the biggest store on the PC >they also destroyed GOG, Bethesda launcher, uplay and origin >they are now the sole proprietor of digital games on the PC >despite this, the shills who argue in their favor claim that this isn't a monopoly
Can you shills explain why?
Asher Young
Lmfao...eat a dick faggot
Carter Moore
As long as I've been playing video games, I've searched high and low for a developer or studio that really, truly cared about the community it built from the ground up. Psyonix was one of them. Sure, the game was never perfect, nor were the updates. But that's what gave it character. A relatively small indie developer making it big, in a world of brutal competition. That's what Psyonix stood for.
It's one thing to get acquired by a larger company. Hell, even *some* EA games are half decent...
But to forcibly take away your game from the platform it bases its success on, proceeding to alienate its userbase into a buggy, spyware ridden hellhole that is the E pic G ames launcher? Absolutely unacceptable. For what? A little more cash in their pocket. Like we didn't buy your keys, your DLCs, your ROCKET PASSES, for YEARS. But that wasn't enough, was it? Sell out to the Chinese dataminers so you can sleep well at night in your Scrooge McDuck pile of extra "revenue".
For shame, Psyonix. For shame.
Liam Harris
Post your literal face when you see Steam vs Epic threads.
Will Rocket League become Epic exclusive? God I hope so, I want all these shit fucking indie games that have attracted normalfag retards in droves to Steam to fuck off once and for all.
If you call epics attempt competition, i think youre okay with: -worse functionality -paid dlc pushed by the store owner -no linux support -epic having to keep buying titles into their store because the few cuts they take from devs are not nearly enough to build up their own lineup of unique and worthwile games -even more
as far as i know, steam never ever bought a title into their store, epic style
Aaron Cruz
I want Valve to wake up. They have sat on their asses for far too long. I welcome Epic buying developers and exclusives to apply pressure on them.
Count to three, Gabe. Count to three.
Caleb Clark
Psyonix, what the actual hell have you done? You were on the rise, and no sign of stopping. Especially in the eSports world. How could you sellout your whole fan base to a company like Epic Games?! Did you not realise how bad of backlash you are going to get for this?
Anthony Lee
>"we got data centers to upkeep around the world so pony up the cash, Baba dev!" Can't you see the fucked up situation here or are you burying your head in the sand? Why wouldn't Valve get the servers and data centers upkeep from AAA publishers and leave the small guy alone?
Wait, will there be crossplay between ebin and steam users? Because otherwise they pretty much killed player growth for the foreseeable future, at least on PC
Brody Sullivan
>Trash is being released non stop on Steam >Halo coming to Steam in the next year or two >Steam also has a library of thousands of games that people continue to buy I genuinely do not understand how people get around this and I have never seen someone actually answer why Steam would ever give a shit about Epic when they outpace the latter by so many games.
Isaiah Hernandez
Everything your pointing at is AAA publishers fault. Paid online went up to 60$ a year because of Call of duty exclusivity, big budgets are self explanatory with titles from WB and Activision, and cheaper games were always in publishers hands to control. They do it because it's industry norm, not because they get a measley 18% extra. Fuck off retard
I have to be completely honest. Waking up to this was a bit sobering.
Wyatt Roberts
That's like saying GOG sucks 10 years ago because they just launched and didn't have a ton of games
Steam drones always revealing themselves
Noah Cruz
Good on Psyonix destroying all goodwill towards their most passionate fans just so they inevitably churn out soulless F2P titles designed to get zoomers begging their parents to use their credit card to get the new season pass while destroying their ability to have any creative freedom with their own studio. But you can see that was probably their intention all along looking at Rocket League.
Eli Clark
>I want GOG to wake up. They shouldn't be allowed to sell games without DRM. I welcome Epic strongarming devs away from them
>Steams new system is countering review bombing Gaben, you played yourself
Jaxon Gutierrez
>Implying sweeney and their shills gives a damn about the playerbase
Brayden Garcia
Valve doesn't have more money than China.
Ryder Reyes
valve has to do nothing because everybody that is actually dialed in on this industry knows how scummy Epic and their shit launcher is buying yourself into competition rarely works
Christian Adams
Lets set an hypothetical scenario:
We all know that Bethesda fucking sucks now. The next TES is going to be shit. They continue to shit on players by sabotaging mods. Epic buys some decent developers, injects them with cash to augment them massively, and a few years later them put out something that puts any other open world game to shame. Everyone and their mom will want to play this game. Said game is only on the EGS. You can mod it. Epic makes so much money they use benjamins as toilet paper.
atleast this way they dont remove reviews all together
the message still gets across
Mason Evans
The first launcher that agrees to import your game library into their launcher is going to win the next PC generation. And it really wouldn't be that hard since the games are already paid for. The copies would be identical. It's just a matter of getting people to agree to it. Exclusives are going in the opposite direction. Anyone that thinks exclusives will win over PC gamers are NOT real PC gamers. In fact, I guarantee pretty much every pro-epic arguer on this forum is a console kiddy with no horse in this race at all. They just want to see PC gaming get fucked because they're tired of seeing their consoles look like etch-a-sketches in comparison.
Owen Jenkins
Halo is a piece of shit game only glorified by lorefags
Jaxon Phillips
>an epic bought developer puts out something good
Stopped reading there.
Eli Anderson
I don't understand people who think that this will make valve wake up, Gabe will still be a fat lazy piece of shit but with a chinksectoid rat crawling all over him
Camden Myers
lol rocket league. it's a fun game but it was nothing incredible or a huge loss for people who use steam.
Connor Hill
Better than your trash game called Fortnite, kid ;)
Then Steam will die the death it deserves. Adapt or fucking die.
Blake Scott
yeah dude Disney Europe did so well
Bentley Morris
fuck off, casual
its the most fun competetive game hat is NOT infested by cheaters
Thomas Collins
Quick. List out devs that will really piss off the internet once epic gets them.
I'm thinking the Shovel and Hollow Knight dudes are a good start.
Gabriel Thomas
Good boy, now read it. The guy before implied that it's unsustainable in every other region outside of america while in fact it's unsustainable in shitholes like india or africa(they have regional pricing there anyway, so no reason to care)
Jaxson Miller
so I'm assuming existing owners of the game can still play it but all new sales are on epic store?
Ayden Walker
gog does this
Lucas Adams
>Implying disney is a no name company that stumbled into money by creating a copy of a really popular thing. ??????
How do I apply for a job to shill for epic?
William Perry
>shoving GOG into the conversation when Steam is the one killing it Fuck Valve
Adrian Kelly
why care, just pirate it
Samuel Hall
who the fuck cares about these small indies games. they are on fucking gog. you dont even need steam to play them. epic buying stuff like this wouldnt change anything
but buying MULTIPLAYER games like Rocket League actually fucking matters you autist
DESU, you may not be a kid anymore but if you liked halo in any point of time in your life it means you're massive faggot. Same goes for people liking fortnite
Dominic Sullivan
this is objectively true its easily one of the top 5 highest skill ceilings in games
Zachary Long
Yeah they just did $1.2 billion the first week of avengers end game, I don't think they are crying
Jason Young
Valve didn't pushed a meme share.
Isaiah Adams
You said ALL devs that aren't Epic are bad.
Chase King
and play against bots? why is Yea Forums so fucking stupid
Lincoln Martinez
>He's shitting on his favorite past time to cry about Halo Epic shills are beyond hope.
>year of our lord 2019 >still doesn't know how to connect to servers with a pirated copy
Nolan Rodriguez
There's another version of the pic that shows that Metro Exodus got a price hike in Singapore, ON THE FUCKING PS4 which has no reason to be affected by this shit, valve didn't bully anyone, but epic definitely did Uh, Disney did copy popular things
Nathan Hall
It deserves to die so we cant shittalk epic for having 1% of steam's features? I thought competition is good.
Lucas Thomas
>making movies which they have done for decades is the same as buying into a new market finish school you retard
Connor Turner
oh come the fuck on
just fuck off, youre embarrassing yourself
Christian Reed
Get Ross out of this!
Liam Rodriguez
Seems to me like any other option than Steam is a step down. All the epic guys saying that steam users area sheeps, are the actual sheeps
>it promotes a competition to see which platform favorites developers over consumers. >It will lower my options and will result in my current launcher also taking more pro devs anti consumer policies, which will restrict my ability to confront developers.
not him but what does this even mean? Do you think better deals for game devs intrinsically means a worse deal for consumers? What are you talking about 'confronting developers'? Do you feel like preventing review bombing - itself a practice that is actually harmful to consumers via obfuscating or misleading information about a game - is anti-consumer?
Colton Ramirez
>that xbox tumor growing on steam's lard neck
LMFAO
Jayden Jenkins
Epic takes way more epsnsive cuts in countries like Slovenia. Like 40USD + the game
Brayden White
No, it would deserve to die if it never tried to adapt. Maybe I didn't word it correctly.
Jeremiah Roberts
What does epic have to do with ps4 price of a game? Blame who publish it, don't push a blame on people you don't like. Are steamdrones really that delusional?
Ryder Carter
money talks, bullshit takes a tumble down a 2 story flight of stairs.
bitch all you want, you drug addicts will NEVER STOP PREORDERING!
Lucas Mitchell
What the heck epic bros, how is this happening? Tim said that gamers couldn't decide who would win!
So just to be clear. When is epic going to get mod support again? Because the steam workshop was the best part when I was still playing RL.
Easton Bailey
Weren't they the Goat Simulator faggots?
Juan Hernandez
I don't get the outrage. Just play it on steam you retards
Easton Perez
epic or steam?
Jason Bell
>Do you think better deals for game devs Stopped reading there. Those assholes don't deserve better deals. They should be happy to make games, and deserve to die if profit is the most important thing in their life. Games should be a passion, nothing more.
>hurrr durr commie
Get bent. I'm sick of seeing corporate greed ruin everything I once loved, whether it's with season passes, excessive DLC, DRM, and many other greedy piieces of garbage. And guess what? That "better deal" did nothing to stop that. Devs and publishers pocketed the money and continued charging me full price, because they could.
SO WITH THE UPMOST RESPECT, GO BACK TO R*DDIT WITH THE REST OF YOUR FILTH.
>using joke as an argument Ultimate state of valve shitters
Sebastian Collins
That's the point, Epic shouldn't have anything to do with prices, but they definitely pushed for Metro Exodus being 10 USD cheaper in the US so they can pretend the cut does something at the expense of the rest of the world source?
Xavier Barnes
The thing is Gabe probably doesn't give a fuck about Epic, the only reason to use EGS over Steam is muh exclusives. If your store is inferior in every way other than a couple exclusive games then you're only really fucking with consumers.
Gabriel Miller
And honestly, I don't fucking give a shit, I'll still fucking play it
Just a little advice Gestapo is cracking down review bombing when do leave a negative review don't mention EGS. leave it blank or type it briefly why you don't like the game without mentioning the epic games store. if you already left her review and you want to change it wait a week or two
I pirate everything but I still want Steam to win the PC war because you know Gabe is /ourguy/
Gabe has never done anything shitty except that paid mods fiasco which was rescinded within a week from the backlash I'd rather a benevolent dictator in Gabe than some faggot suits in a boardroom or botnet ran by chinks
>valve has a long history of bringing on smaller studios and actually developing their ideas into more fleshed out games. Cool, so where are the continuations of these "fleshed out games?" Oh, nowhere?
Henry Moore
rank?
will you switch to EGS?
Juan Anderson
So, they basically could lower the price of games in western countrier but instead they choose to support shitholes with our money. Gaben please sit on my face
Gavin Roberts
i wonder if we'll be able to tell who has it on epic, does epic even have profile pics?
Bentley Wood
>recommending something even worse than utorrent
Ayden Mitchell
>not him but what does this even mean? You really shouldn't post that if you got exactly what I meant.
>Do you think better deals for game devs intrinsically means a worse deal for consumers? Pretty much all better deals for game devs were worse to consumers. Even the lower cut, taking into account Epic compensated by adding another tax to buyers.
>What are you talking about 'confronting developers'? Do you feel like preventing review bombing - itself a practice that is actually harmful to consumers via obfuscating or misleading information about a game - is anti-consumer? Yes, I do feel that arbitrary deciding that some reviews shouldn't affect score is something that restrict consumers. >via obsfuscating or misleading There's nothing misleading about review bombs. The score is based upon the people general reaction to the product, it doesn't means if the product is good or bad. A good game can have a poor score and a bad game can have a good one.
Thomas Howard
>steamdrones Those don't exist, since that implies Epic drones exist and we all know it's a bunch of trolling contrarians ready for (you)s' like (You)
>Epic taking the Microsoft route of "we bought something that was already good, so that makes us good" >Valve is using their Steam funds to actually make something and explore a genre of gaming they themselves haven't touched
At least Valve is doing something. Epic's just sitting on its fat, chinese cock-sucking ass telling everyone "Look at all these cool things other people gave us! That makes us cool! You have to play with us because we have cool things we didn't even make!"
>"I'm going to make the foundation of my argument based entirely on 'what ifs' instead of presentable facts"
Epicfags should be gassed with the other consolewar subhumans.
Oh this is fucking hilarious, do those fuckers lose all the skins if if the player base shrinks and dies on Steam?
Caleb Turner
kinda, maybe some points they caught up, but its still night and day
Lincoln Torres
Hello newfag. I know you don't remember Half-life but the entire point of getting Steam in the first place was because it Half-life was exclusive to it.
>It promotes a competition to see which platform favorites developers over consumers. Don't fucking kid yourself. Consumers always flock to where devs go. Why do you think Steam got so big? because Devs offered their games there. If devs decide to leave Steam and go somewhere else it'll be over for Steam overnight
The ironic part of this is that the MCC is coming to steam.
Nolan Collins
>not GOG Faggot
Elijah Torres
name one good game with a bad score
Joshua Murphy
EPIC'S CEO, TIM SWEENEY HAS STATED THAT THE EXCLUSIVES WILL END WHEN VALVE LOWERS IT'S CUT FROM 30% TO 18% TO MATCH THE EPIC STORE
ALWAYS HAMMER THIS POINT HOME
THE BALL IS IN VALVE'S COURT AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T RESPONDED
VALVETARDS HAVE LITERALLY NO COUNTER TO THIS
Noah Watson
Duh, Valve made steam and half life, so why u crying? Nobody has anything against fortnite being exclusive to the epic games store. its something different to just buy a title's exclusivity
Gavin Reed
It does not imply anything, it's not a fucking secret that for the past couple of years steam became a cult. steam reddit and this board is basically the same in terms of steamdrones stupidity
Nathaniel Parker
Yea Forums, I'm sad man.. i'm not even kidding guys, i'm fuckin' sad right now. I play this game religiously, more than I eat, drink, sleep or masturbate. You could call me addicted to it, that's how much I love it.
if epic starts making future content timed exclusive, i'm fuckin' done. i'm not going to be forced into buying an entirely new copy to enjoy the latest content. I know their goal is to force PC gamers to come to their store, so it's unlikely that exclusive DLC will work on a steam copy.
I was enjoying the memes all these weeks with you guys, but this one hurts.
>Disney bought both lucas films and marvel >preventing their new movies being sold on platforms like netflix They are doing the same fucking thing you low iq ape!
William Morgan
Difference being that Valve made the game, much like EA selling Titanfall on Origin, etc. I think you're just baiting though so here's a (you).
Exclusivity caused by developers choosing to only release on one platform is already faggotry. Paying money to make it happen even more goes beyond plain faggotry
Tiny Tim is just trying to make Valve look like the bad guy. Because taking a game of steam and gog means you're the good guy.
Brandon Cruz
And you believe him? He's lying, snake in the grass pedo.
Christopher Parker
>Valve is using their Steam funds to actually make something Name one thing. Name one Fucking Thing. Valve has made nothing but dog-shit gimmicky trash like their controller and VR trash for a fucking DECADE now. Name one thing.
Ryder Miller
First, caps makes you look like a fool. Second, the 13% cut is unsustainable, pointed out earlier, too
I fucking hate vague PR talk. Just give me solid info on how the workshop and DLC support on steam will go once it gets pulled out of it.
For fuck's sake how is it so hard to just give clear lines regarding the future of the game going forward?
Isaiah Stewart
>Don't fucking kid yourself. Consumers always flock to where devs go. Supposing you were right, what would this change that this is bad for the consumer?
But really, PC are the most aware of the gamers. A good percentage of them won't go to Epic because like EA it managed to create a terrible reputation.
And to conclude, it will never be over for Steam because there's millions of players with thousand dollar worth accounts there. Steam isn't on risk of bankrupcy, but it's on the risk of changing policies to become worse for the gamers, like Epic.
Nathaniel Wood
>YO BIG' GABE >I SHIT MYSELF, BET YOU FEEL REAL SILLY HUH >I'LL STOP SHITTING MYSELF WHEN YOU CAVE TO MY DEMANDS
Ryder Evans
>SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR DEVELOPERS!(publishers)
Champ II when at my best I've hit that wall where I have to actually put hours into training, and I just don't have the time now, sadly
Yeah, of course, I love this game more than any other multiplayer game I have ever played It always keeps me challenged
Tyler Cruz
Not addressing the point in the slightest, nice try. Not addressing the point in the slightest, nice try. Not addressing the point in the slightest, nice try.
The absolute STATE of valvefaggots
Anthony Clark
Everything ends eventually user. It happened to world of warcraft, it happened to diablo 2, it happened to rumble fighter, it happened to street fighter (insert your favorite number here), it happened to cs1.6, it will happen to this game as well.
Dont be sad, its natural part of life. Good things comes and goes. Enjoy the game while it still lasts. And remember: hope dies last. You are stronger than this misfortune.
You might not remember this zoomer, but hl2 created a huge outrage being steam exclusive when it was released.
Alexander Powell
community forums, quick to respond support, multiplatform availybility, frequent platform-wide sales, the workshop, the market, i can go on and on. your turn, what has epic done for the gaming community? Dont mention the 13%, its a marketing gag
Adam Gomez
A controller that people praise for it's high customizability and a platform that will develop, like single core CPUs, >60hz monitors and so.
Now, let's look at what Epic has done >a barely okay-ish series of arena shooters >the introduction to chest high wall cuddling simulators for dudebros >a generic as fuck co-op zombie that was dead until they stitched a BR to it
>Tim himself admitting that the 12% isn't sustainable and that he's selling at a loss isn't adressing the point Then again, I am discussing with a bot, so why do I fucking bother?
Joseph Thompson
I was asking about the article in your pic actually, but thanks for that link anyways, I didn't want to sit through the whole GDC video just to find the part where they talk about payment in Asia
Leo Moore
I'll trust them only when Epic drops its cut to 0%. Publishers do not deserve the money from developers. I will not listen to any other argument.
Angel Brown
>I don't like what you said so i'll say it doesn't refute my point.
You are really butthurt.
Ayden Wood
>I pirate everything Then why do you care?
Jaxson Bell
So what you're saying is that Tim sweeney is a racist? Man I sure would be sad if people made the argument that Tim sweeney is chauvinisticaly shitting on poor brown people just for the sake ng of western exceptionalism.
Jose Smith
>supporting the 12% cut when the devs could be getting ALL of the cut Uhhh epicshills?
Brody Howard
How about bad games with good score? >Millie >Secret of Magic Crystals >Pony World 3 It's funny, people talk like steam users are scum, but they are actually very forgiving.
Austin Edwards
I have around 150~ games on Steam, all bought with prepaid cards, currently in Argentina
Landon Ramirez
>the best engine out there >forced sony to comply to their cross-platform system that is avaible to any game >They biggest butthurt of reddit gamers ever seen
They have me to be honest
Oliver Peterson
>You are stronger than this misfortune. i'm actually not. I don't want this to end.
Jose Jones
I moved to rainbow six I used to play rocket league regularly
Jonathan Moore
>steam >cult You need to remove the platform bias and look at it as customers protecting their interests. Nobody has qualms with GoG because they aren't looking to remove their options as consumers. Epic threatens whatever rights they have now on Steam and ofc people are opposed to it. Epic only benefits devs after all.
Proton, the most important development for games on gnu/linux since WINE
Ryder Johnson
because paypigs have to subsidize my habits just like how there's no NEETs if there's no wage cucks
Matthew Ward
i would still like a good game with a poor score
Nathaniel Young
A counter? Okay. First why 18%? Why not 15% or 20%? Why the arbitrary 18% number? Second, before throwing a number to the air, do you know how much all Steam services costs and how lower they could lower their rate, while still keeping enough to satisfy their needs and invest into expansion?
Joseph Allen
>A controller that people praise PFFFFHAHAHA just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
Now, let's look at what Epic has done. >Created the biggest and best game engine on the market, and give it away for FREE >Charge a modest sum only once a game has been published and has made a specific amount of profit >Give away literally MILLIONS of dollars to start-up game devs for free with no strings attached
Now let's look at what Valve has done in the last decade >Gimmicky mobashit >Gimmicky VRshit >The worst controller ever made
You and all the other Valve fanboys are an utter fucking joke
Time to wake up drones. Once EPIC gets all the """"based"""" japanese devs you'll all be crawling in the mud.
E3. Wait for it.
Lincoln Williams
So you enjoy getting your information stolen by the Chinese government?
Ian Williams
never heard of that. however, in germany, we got a boxed version at release. Also, how is it bad to be able to buy a game anytime anywhere you want? really sucks, ik. epic is doing all that backwards
Connor Perez
Or I could just pirate them. Epic paid a lot of money for my copy, after all.
>>Created the biggest and best game engine on the market, and give it away for FREE Stopped reading there, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
Zachary Sullivan
Dude China is /ourguy/ They STILL do blackface
Isaac Perez
Valve can't lower below 15% without going into the red and Tim knows this.
Jordan Carter
Are there any Epic exclusives worth pirating yet, anyway? How's Hades or whatever?
Tim is literally just trying to buy the fucking market.
Wyatt Long
Spy Fox. It's an old game, but still was well made for it's time. It's a shame the first games are mixed. It's also kinda funny, since Freddi Fish has good ratings in all games.
Alexander Bell
it'd be funny to say the least if they bought the studio behind rocket league, pulled the game out of steam and then started treating steam users like second rate citizens they'd become the definition of anti consumerism, even more so than they currently are
Were you this outraged when EA bought DICE, bioware and westwood? The devs arn't the customers! I hope they keep you locked up because retards like you can't be allowed to roam the streets
Camden Reyes
>community forums That are worse than this shit hole >quick to respond support Quick to tell you to fuck off would be more accurate >multiplatform availybility You can't even spell availability, much less understand the fact that Steam is a PC platform. At this point it's clear you're a mouth breathing retard but let's keep going. >frequent platform-wide sales Entirely at the IP holders' discretion >the workshop Which has produced nothing but Dota skins >the market On which you can sell nothing but TF2, Dota and CS:GO skins >i can go on and on You clearly can't. >your turn I'm still waiting for you to actually make a point. >what has epic done for the gaming community? Only create the best, most intuitive, most prolific engine in the games industry, you utter retard.
Joshua Flores
>Dude China is /ourguy/ Nice joke.
Luis Cook
Hades is still EA. Definitely not worth it yet.
Honestly and I'm being completely honest with you, for all they say about not letting in trash games into their launcher, the handful of games they have are either EA or fucking trash. I mean I guess only Metro Exodus?
Sebastian Bailey
rockstar launcher damn, I forgot that's even a thing
Caleb Smith
>That are worse than this shit hole Stopped reading there. Steam forums are pretty good for what they propose. Are you sure you aren't checking a shitty game? All the forums I went were pretty comfy.
Mason Thomas
18 is a bigger number than 15. Retard. Maybe if Valve actually still made games instead of letting all their employees dick around with their wheelie desks all day they wouldn't have this problem.
Ryder Hughes
Susie have you seen what they do to African countries lmao? They give them "aid" they know they cant pay back so the countries go into the red and end up being forced to give up sovereign territory to China just to break even. Tim sweeney and China are trying to keep video games and the international community white.
Noah Miller
>Which has produced nothing but Dota skins What the fuck. I promised to stop reading, but that was the most retarded statement I read here. Congratulations.
Alexander Perez
I like how you started your retort by referring to something that wouldn't be present in it. Retard.
Kayden Phillips
Valve would need a new structure to do that. They still have that "everyone does whatever" corporate structure and its clearly detrimental to them.
Nolan Barnes
anybody with a brain could tell bad things happen to devs bought by publishers you were probably still shitting in a diaper when that happened
Connor White
so them making a good engine justifies them buying out titles? i dont think so, and you being okay with that means that you can be happy that there are people in power who make big decisions for you. also calling someone out on their grammar on the internet is kinda low level. keep doing that
Jeremiah Anderson
Let's do a Kickstarter so we can help valve?
Brayden Barnes
As long as crossplay still works for Steam, I really don't care But my question is how do I git gud at Rocket League?
>Pretty much all better deals for game devs were worse to consumers. Even the lower cut, taking into account Epic compensated by adding another tax to buyers.
This is pure fantasy. On the Epic store, devs get more revenue for their game, with Epic themselves shouldering the burden. The games cost the same (or slightly cheaper) as they would elsewhere, so I don't understand why you think this is somehow a tax on consumers.
>Yes, I do feel that arbitrary deciding that some reviews shouldn't affect score is something that restrict consumers. > There's nothing misleading about review bombs. The score is based upon the people general reaction to the product, it doesn't means if the product is good or bad. A good game can have a poor score and a bad game can have a good one.
Except it wasn't arbitrary when Steam culls bad-faith reviews. They were very clear that they were removing reviews that had nothing to do with the game and were in fact unrelated spam, posted in bad faith, with no intention of providing honest assessment of the game in question. Simple moderation, and kudos to Steam for actually doing something about it.
And yes, review bombs are misleading for the consumer. It defeats the whole purpose of having reviews on a storefront, a feature often held up against the lack of which on the Epic Store, if those reviews are not about the quality of the game. If a consumer goes to the reviews for something like Borderlands 2 to see if it's any good, and both the overall score and individual flood of reviews are in direct reference to something that has nothing to do with that game, the consumer is handicapped. They can't get the information they need to make an informed choice, because certain folk feel the need to vent their frustration in the wrong damn place. It's embarrassing, and literally does nothing to help gamers except handicap consumers looking for actual reviews of a game.
>They backtracked after even pros shitted on Psyonix for this.
Epic™ as fuck.
Nolan Price
Yes, i enjoy people from china checking out my naked pics. How fucking stupid can you be to care about your data, you're nothing more than statistics. And epic gathering information was fucking debunked to begin with
Josiah Bell
How exactly does having to download another client inconvenience you? It's free. If you don't like being called out for typing like a retard, stop typing like a retard.
Logan Smith
>not realizing that China owns Hollywood and are the ones pushing the anti-white agenda >not noticing that SJWs and gaming journalists support the epic store
Nathan Murphy
wus wrong with deluge
Hudson Allen
What wouldn't be present in it? I'm demanding to know which rule, which meter or study was taken to choose that 18% is 'fair'. Otherwise why not demand 10%, 5%, 0%? If you cannot defend the premise of your argument, there's literally nothing to counter, it's just a retard talking about something he has no idea.
Brayden Johnson
Almost all big dev studios are bought by publishers, it's pretty common. Even your beloved steam does the same shit as epic (see campo santo), yet you defend Gaben like his shit don't stink.
Hudson Hernandez
samefag bring a fucking argument to teh table or su
Adrian Barnes
I stopped playing RL like six months ago.
How's the scene there so far?
Gabriel Wright
that's a complete joke. it's a marketing move, a provocation.
Steam has no interest in *exactly* matching it *yet* because they are in a dominant position(and also i speculate inefficient enough to not be able to profit at that margin)... but even if they did, and Tim knows very well Steam won't, Epic won't follow through on their promise.
They have already been known to break important promises and they don't care about their reputation.If steam would match the 88% cut, then epic would have no competitive advantage aside for exlusives.Giving up on exclusives, rather than doubling down on them, would be a suicide from their position... perhaps that's what they will do because the investors will no longer see a way for EGS to become a giant.
Isaiah Scott
Piracy is on the rise for media now too. Who could have guessed
Isaiah King
Wow, it's true. Yea Forums has no counter to this.
>heir interests. Nobody has qualms with GoG because they aren't looking to remove their options as consumers. Epic threatens whatever rights they have now on Steam and ofc people are opposed to it. Epic only benefits devs after all. I'm okay with GOG DRM free games I buy Cyberpunk 2077 on GOG just because I loved witcher a lot
Can someone tell me why exactly review bombing is bad? I don't really get it, because if a developer does something a majority of people dislike, of course people are gonna search out the quickest way to express their feelings. The developers could just not fuck up perhaps? The statement that review bombing could potentially fuck up people willingness to buy a game also doesn't make sense to me. If a customer were to have interest in a game and then come across a review bombed one, what would that really tell them? Would they care perhaps? Would they investigate why this is happening and have enough i guess "will" to see past it and still buy the game? I also know that review bombing also negates what the review section is supposed to be about, talking about the game instead of whats going on behind the scenes, but there are most of the time descriptions of the negative review stating why the did what they just did. It really doesn't have an impact of the quality of the game itself, thats just how i personally feel. A customer shouldent be halted on the will to buy a game because of it, they should see for themselves on what the situation is and why its happening, instead of just "trusting" whatever people are outraged at. I guess what am saying is that, i hope the average Joe would do their investigation and possibly see the review bombing and still have interest in the game despite whats going on. Not just trusting in what the masses say y'know? Other than that, i don't really see the problem. I hope that made any sense
I swear to God some of you newfaggots are so stupid you cant even understand when you can do a narrative flip on your opposition by feeding this shit to non establishment retard sjws. Not every sjw is bought out which are the ones you should be making the argument too, but you dumb faggots are so closed minded and partisan you think the entirety of the opposition is on the same page like they're going to be as smart as you.
Cooper Mitchell
So all pretenses of muh 12% cut is completely gone now right?
We're all just accepting that the real thing bringing in devs to epic is all the moneyhatting going on?
Ryder Ward
Tencent is the end of PC gaming. Screenshot this and re-post it in 5 years when our hobby is dead because of China.
Parker Morgan
>If steam would match the 88% cut, then epic would have no competitive advantage aside for exlusives Apart from the fact they charge even less for games that use the Unreal engine, which is already quite prolific within the games industry. If Steam matched them, they'd still have the competitive edge, which they'd likely pass on the consumer as has already been demonstrated with Metro. Nice try, with sincerity. You're closest anyone's come to an actual argument.
Hudson Price
>Epic Games Inc., the studio behind Fortnite, agreed to purchase Psyonix Inc., Ohh fuck. Any chance to see some old guys come back there and make a real new Wiipeout?
Sebastian Harris
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James Taylor
>our hobby I hate video games though
Lucas Peterson
Nice save!
Camden Sanchez
He's right though.
Anthony Rivera
>which they'd likely pass on the consumer as has already been demonstrated with Metro Fuck you. I live in a shithole and I got fuck all.
Austin Myers
But they'll be in two places, whats the problem?
Cooper Garcia
>should I give up $60 for a digital copy of a game most likely locked to one store? >Nah.
>M-M-MUH CHINA BOOGIEMAN At least make an effort you mongoloid.
Chase King
>hating epic means they must love steam and valve enjoy your room temperature IQ
David Turner
That's what you get for living in a shit hole. Deal with it.
Ryder Morris
As you can see from the pic there are some really low effort bandwagoners Also no one knows if they really will keep it on Steam, they're being vague especially with the long term plans thing
Jaxson Clark
>That one side quest in the wizards tower where you needed to find the GOG book to defeat the DRM protection of the tower
>This is pure fantasy. On the Epic store, devs get more revenue for their game, with Epic themselves shouldering the burden. The games cost the same (or slightly cheaper) as they would elsewhere, so I don't understand why you think this is somehow a tax on consumers. Late to the thread?
>Except it wasn't arbitrary when Steam culls bad-faith reviews. What defines bad faith? Who does? Is this like Steam policy of 'illegal or trolling'? That's the problem with those statements.
>They were very clear that they were removing reviews that had nothing to do with the game and were in fact unrelated spam, posted in bad faith, with no intention of providing honest assessment of the game in question. They didn't remove anything. You don't even know what steam did and you want to argue?
>And yes, review bombs are misleading for the consumer. It defeats the whole purpose of having reviews on a storefront, a feature often held up against the lack of which on the Epic Store, if those reviews are not about the quality of the game. First off, reviews don't and never just addressed the quality. Unless of course you want to restrict reviews for other reasons, like theme or lack of some feature.
> If a consumer goes to the reviews for something like Borderlands 2 to see if it's any good, and both the overall score and individual flood of reviews are in direct reference to something that has nothing to do with that game, the consumer is handicapped. Not really. The reviews are there, just scroll down. If someone open a game they were waiting for and see the review score is bad, you really believe they say 'fuck it' instead of checking?
>They can't get the information they need to make an informed choice They can totally get the information. You have no clue.
>because certain folk feel the need to vent their frustration in the wrong damn place Yes, they totally lost the capacity to make an informed choice because of a number near the game.
>Yes, i enjoy people from china checking out my naked pics. That's not the information they will be going after >How fucking stupid can you be to care about your data, you're nothing more than statistics. So you wouldn't mind getting your life fucked over? >And epic gathering information was fucking debunked to begin with Even though Tim himself admitted to it?
Dominic Thomas
do you even read the posts of the thread you're joing?
>whats the problem? It's fucking stated and called out numerous of times what the actual fucking problem is you autistic bootlicker
Landon Ross
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
Levi Allen
why does his avatarpic shouts "IM A SPINELESS BASEDKEK" to me?
Oliver Anderson
You know it's true shill, otherwise you wouldn't even be in this thread.
Evan Nelson
You're going to argue that the company behind Sesame Credit isn't bad? "Oh yes, I want the company behind public espionage and oppression of its fellow citizens to control my hobby." Fuck you, bugman.
Wyatt Miller
>What wouldn't be present in it? A counter-argument. >I'm demanding to know which rule, which meter or study was taken to choose that 18% is 'fair It isn't categorically fair, nobody could determine what that is. It's categorically much more fair than 30% though. >If you cannot defend the premise of your argument, there's literally nothing to counter My argument is that 18 is a smaller number than 30. If you cannot into math then kindly fuck off. >it's just a retard talking about something he has no idea. Let's just go ahead and add math, alongside grammar to the list of things you clearly do not understand.
William Fisher
Devs don't like it when previous games get attacked for something the new game did. Off topic review bombs unrelated to the game are bad, fine. However a game being bad itself through shitty DRM, economy, or other things directly related to the game are fully allowed still. Devs hate that. That's why they don't want forums or other forms of community engagement so that other users don't see everyone calling them out and join in.
Holy shit, not even the trannies at Resetera defends this. Are Epic apologists even lower than those subhumans?
Wyatt Cruz
Disregarding all other arguments doesn't mean they weren't made. It means you are a disingenuous person or just stupid.
Jaxson Hall
its playstation vs xbox threads on steroids
Jace King
No, most bloggers and tweets by developer shills still use competition or cut as an arguement. But yes theres no financial benefit as a dev to not release on Steam right now as well as EGS unless you were paid not to.
Liam Lee
10cent has shares in just about every major game dev. If you've bought a game in the last 10 years there's a good chance you've given money to 10cent. If you're interested you can go ahead and google the massive list of companies they own shares in, but I'll just save us both some time and call you a retard. Retard.
Jacob Parker
please do not hesitate to go to a local hardware store and find a sturdy rope for your fat ass
Zachary Turner
more like a modern sociopath in software development
David Hughes
>image wut
it's because the only interesting part of any super hero story is the origin
Go ahead and outline those arguments and save me the time of making you look like a retard.
Dylan Murphy
not spineless so-yc-uck was the right term
Joshua Diaz
Tencent is basically one of those mega-corporations that you would find in a cyberpunk setting.
Wyatt Butler
Seems pretty pointless for Epic but I'm guessing they're going to throw around some money into some big Rocket League tournament that will draw in new players. Perhaps they will eventually have a Blizzcon type event with all their esport finals there, they already have Fortnite esports leagues right?
Eli Cruz
>It isn't categorically fair, nobody could determine what that is. It's categorically much more fair than 30% though. Based on what?
>My argument is that 18 is a smaller number than 30. If you cannot into math then kindly fuck off. If you are taking numbers out of your asshole, why not take an even smaller number?
>Let's just go ahead and add math, alongside grammar to the list of things you clearly do not understand. Yes, I did call him a retard for bring that number. But apply that to you as well.
Now explain why you want 18%, and if you know that number is suportable to a company the size of Steam and how much this would lower their profit.
You are cute. You want to question, but you don't even have a logical thought to back your question.
Parker Long
>using actual "NO U" as counter arguments
lel
Michael Gray
You didn't post a face, now you have to go clean the deck.
Epic never cared about the devs, hence why they overwork their own devs for their Tencent master
Ian Rivera
I don't support any company that Tencent has more than a 20% stake in, because anything less than that is pretty meaningless as far as potential control of the direction of the company. I am fully aware of everything they own.
Jaxon Hernandez
Battle Royale as a genre was a mistake.
Blake Sanders
Like 99% of games are Steam exclusive. Just because they don't pay for exclusivity deals doesn't mean exclusives don't exist
Kayden Sanchez
You can start with mine. Go on, I have the time: Oh wait, you literally cannot even back your premise. You are parroting what Tim said without using your brain about it. Stfu if you cannot rationaly defend why Steam should have a 18% cut.
Juan Ortiz
Then go blame 99% of the devs who did that shit in the first place?
Gabriel Russell
>The Epic Games Family
couldn't they at least tried to be real.
Luke James
I don't get why people complain so much about launchers but then also complain when stores don't have launchers. Make up your damn mind, should stores have launchers or not? It just seems like launchers are used as an excuse to hate things when you can't give a valid reason
Anthony Richardson
zoomers were a mistake
Evan Wilson
It's pretty special when you have both Yea Forums and trannyera hating you. And trannyera hates them even more now after finding out that fortnite wealth still hasn't "trickled down" to their overworked programmers
I hope Sweeney gets kneecapped by a union boss one of these days
Joseph Rodriguez
Epic can find more ways to jew out RL by forcing workers into Psyonix and pushing more not as customer friendly microtransactions
Blake Harris
GOG has a launcher you can also start the games without the launcher
literally the best option
Gabriel Richardson
>I don't get why people complain so much about launchers but then also complain when stores don't have launchers. All games should have physical copies and no launchers.
Justin Sullivan
Reminder that if Rocket League launched on the Epic Store and not Steam it never would have even remotely saw the success that it did.
I'd rather just by the game directly from the developer
Nicholas Gonzalez
im out, guys it was a bad day after all
have a good night, lads
Jose Garcia
>Based on what? Based on the definition of what is "fair". There are innumerable companies at play on stores this large and all of them likely have different definitions of what is "fair".| >If you are taking numbers out of your asshole, why not take an even smaller number? I'm not pulling numbers out of my asshole. Epic store charges an 18% royalty. Steam charges 30%. You utter fucking retard. >Yes, I did call him a retard for bring that number. But apply that to you as well. Not helping the optics on your grasp of either math or grammar with this sentence, you utter fucking retard. >Now explain why you want 18% Because I want more of the money I spend on a game to go to the people that made the game. 18% is less than 30%, meaning more of my money will go to the people who made the thing I like. If the people who made the thing I like have more money, it is more likely that they will make more of the thing I like. Now go ahead and explain why you have Valve's cock jammed so firmly down your throat. Or better yet, fuck off back to plebbit and take your spacing with you.
That whole fanbase is either nu-males, paid content creators, or people upset they were forced to buy the game off Epic. Pic related is the lead devs profile pic on twitter. Their replies on the official account are even worse. Like unfunny Borderlands humor condensed into one account.
If Rocket League came out today would Epic even be willing to let it on their store?
James Sullivan
Clearly you did not play it for very long. None of it costs money unless you want specific skins for things.. Which is kind of the case for any game. They're adding free content all the time, just added Challenges and Rocket Pass to actually give a "purpose" to playing beyond just ranks. Tournaments, curve ball, ranked extra modes have all come out in the last 6 months.
Nathaniel Gutierrez
No developer comes back to reality after a successful meme game. Goat simulator was the death of them. It's a shame because I thought sanctum 1 and 2 were fun
Julian Brooks
stop buying into this whole "curated" meme
if they'd make money with selling more games, they would
the thing is, that they have to PAY devs to get their games on their store
Jonathan Jones
I already did, and dismantled them. Unless... >He literally has no arguments HAHAHAHAHA Looks like we're done here.
Oh yeah, like what other than first party Valve titles? Almost everything purchasable on Steam is purchasable on:
>Console >GOG >Third party retailers >Physical (rare)
Whereas Epic exclusives are available on: >Epic Store
And before you say "B-but Epic sells those titles on consoles!!", no they fucking don't, the game producers and console company distribute the games themselves. Epic is a tumor on the PC gaming industry, it's a developing monopoly.
Luke Clark
>Being this eager to pay more money as a good goy to publishers without any price decrease or good features.
Gavin Williams
How do people like him exist? It's like the part of their brain that processes self-awareness just shut down one day "Hm yes, these scraggly facepubes and random piercings will make me look almost gay as possible, but how do I take it all the wa- DYE HALF MY HAIR BLUE. Dammit I'm a genius."
Fucking hell.
Jeremiah Gutierrez
Oh wait. They made Sanctum? That was a pretty fun TD game.
Nathan Long
>There are innumerable companies at play on stores this large and all of them likely have different definitions of what is "fair". You didn't answer anything. What is a fair number and which rational meter you used to determine it? I'm asking seriously, because you keep sounding like someone in a corner who doesn't know what you are talking about.
>Epic store charges an 18% royalty. Steam charges 30%. You utter fucking retard. Epic store charges 12% you subhuman. You want to shitpost and don't even check it out. Kys you fucking imbecile. Come back only when you grow a brain.
Jason King
I forgot that guy's name but he's a total asshat. It blows my mind companies would be dumb enough to hire such a socially inept person to be a fucking community manager.
Colton Cruz
Dude you should watch some of the interviews he did in relation to this. Guy looks like hes on the verge of crying all the time. Literall basket case
Andrew Torres
Why do trannies like to cut themselves like teenagers
Gabriel King
Honestly I don't give a fuck about epic or steam. The only thing that makes me happy about any of this is how linux users keep getting cucked.
Keep falling for the /g/ memes you tards.
Kayden Thompson
Who would Valve be poaching games from?
Nathan Cooper
What's your idea of a "fair" number? "Fair" is subjective. Different studios, devs, publishers will all have different answers to this based on their product. This is why it is difficult, nigh impossible to actually pin down what a "fair" number is. That was the whole crux of my argument. If you missed this you are either stupid or really fucking stupid. What is unequivocally true is that 18% is smaller that 30%. More is more than less, and thus, fairer. Stop being such a fucking retard. >Epic store charges 12% you subhuman For games made with the Unreal engine, you fucking retard. I like how you tell people to kill themselves while using plebbit spacing. Really doodles my noodle. Really gets my noggin joggin'. Really activates my almonds. Really makes you look like an utter fucking spastic.
Levi Baker
He is not a dev. He is literally a PR guy who decided to go on a meltdown with the Satisfactory account.
Matthew Bailey
And Valve can keep on ignoring them until they run out of fortnite funbux to hurl around and actually have to answer to investors asking where the fuck all the money is going and why it isn't growing.
The winning move is not to play. Valve has yet to even acknowledge Epic. Not as a rival, not as a fellow vidya library service. Nothing. They don't need to, because they have nothing to gain by responding to Epic's taunting.
Gavin Mitchell
>Now that Epic's coming in we're seeing real change Possibly. Probably, even. But it won't be in the consumer's favour, and that's the problem.
Adrian Sanchez
Epic is doing this to set a precedent for future games already released on steam. If it can happen to rocket league, it can happen to other games too.
half life games have been on the dreamcast, ps2, xbox 360, and ps3
Camden Hall
So don't buy the game. Free market is action. Watch the onions-swilling, blue-haired faggot's game die. Laugh about it later. The platform on which it happens, Steam or Epic Store, makes no difference.
Juan Rodriguez
You're all shortsighted fools.
This mean that Rocket League will finally be able to become f2p and truly explode in popularity like Fortnite did. Keep seeting idiots.
Hudson Thomas
There aren't as many diehard supporters these days. This isn't 2011 user. It's just that Epic somehow managed to stir up an even worse shitstorm than Valve's lazy ass.
Mason Gonzalez
GoG does not do as well as Steam though so I'm unsure if you just don't understand the point I'm making or genuinely think Steam isn't far ahead of the other storefronts. Cool. Why would Steam care?
Levi Ortiz
Volume of sales > Number of games available
Robert Moore
Rocket league threads got like 0 replies till today funny huh
Nolan Rogers
Let me continue with your retardation, so you can go back to your consolewar thread:
>Not helping the optics on your grasp of either math or grammar with this sentence, you utter fucking retard. You lack reading comprehension. But then, it's already proved you are trolling or retarded.
>Because I want more of the money I spend on a game to go to the people that made the game. 18% is less than 30%, meaning more of my money will go to the people who made the thing I like. Okay, then why not less? Taking into account you were retarded and didn't check Epic cut, which number you want: 18% from Tim's asshole or Epic 12%? Second you are thinking like a child. Have you considered for example how much less profit, perhaps even a loss Steam could run if he ran those values? No you haven't, your simplistic brain doesn't consider those things.
>Now go ahead and explain why you have Valve's cock jammed so firmly down your throat. Fuck Valve. But Tim trying to go 'muh arbitrary cut' is just too retarded.
>Or better yet, fuck off back to plebbit and take your spacing with you. Nah, I'm good having fun with you. Post again about something you have no clue about. Oh wait:
>failed to create a logical thought why that magic number is fair >a lesser number is always more fair, without considering the costs for the other side
>For games made with the Unreal engine, you fucking retard >"Developers receive 88% of revenue,” the company wrote. “There are no tiers or thresholds. Epic takes 12%. And if you’re using Unreal Engine, Epic will cover the 5% engine royalty for sales on the Epic Games store, out of Epic’s 12%.” You really are brainless. Congratulations. How did you manage to fuck up twice?
Justin Hernandez
The game's growth fucking stagnated. It's just that one other niche online game that had some great grassroots esports growth.
Andrew Perez
RL does completely fine without being F2P the only thing that keeps people away is that fact it's entirely skill based
Why yes I will keep seeted for you see I am posting this from my computer instead of phone posting on the train surrounded by nigger tier animals like you.
Also yeah its p obv what they're gonna do with rocket league. They know fortnite isnt forever so they're going to buy shit like this up.
Asher Adams
Right. And my point is that I do not see Steam caring about your hypothetical when they have a larger library of games that cumulatively make up a large number of sales. Even in the case of Fortnite, I do not see why Steam cares when they can sit with their thumb up their asses and make money off of people buying ports, indie titles, and what ever games go to Steam without the latter needing to fork out money for exclusivity.
Jose Long
Said every poor person who used to be rich
Evan Robinson
>we'll be able to see gifs of cars doing Fortnite dances and dabbing What a world Yea Forums.
>corporation with multiple investors from major stakeholders pressuring them to make money >family Lol
Jayden Lopez
Lmaoing at the vast amounts of salt from the pcbros over at r/rocketleague You'd think psyonix just blew up a school bus full of kids the way these redditors are reacting
Owen Peterson
Because, they need to keep selling in order to maintain such a growing infrastructure. If Steam keeps the same userbase while sales dwindle, they are fucked.
One of the reason people buy indies is because indies do not have such high system requirements.
You may laugh, but reviews do have power. Other companies will think twice, or at least demand more money if Epic attempts this again.
Ryder Gutierrez
valve does this when they find interesting companies that make things using there modding tools or engine.
Blake Gutierrez
At least it's not gender dysphoria like the others
Jaxson Torres
To be fair, I think they have the right to complain since they actually played hundreds if not thousands of hours of that game. Especially when there's a very real concern of the one's still playing on steam getting shafted eventually.
Everyone else jumping on the bandwagon is a steam drone though.
Ryder Bailey
Cipe
Leo Rivera
>Everyone else jumping on the bandwagon is a steam drone though. I have to disagree with that last statement. Some people have issues with Epic for other reasons, and this kinda made those issues seem more dire.
Joseph Moore
It makes me sick to see these faggots acting like it's cool to have mental illness. Comparing stats like they're trading fucking Pokemon or something. Disgusts me to my core.
Matthew Rodriguez
New thread
Jordan Sanders
Right, and one game isn't going to change that. Like I said, again, Steam sells ports and indies constantly while also having new games released on it without needing to purchase the exclusivity. Unless you're claiming that every single new release for the next five years is going to be bought out by Epic. I do not see what point you're trying to make. Look at all the games just on the front page that, while not Fortnites' still sell copies. My point is that Steam constantly has games coming out and those games constantly sell while also having a massive library of games overall to act as an incentive for continuing to use Steam over a storefront that has maybe three dozen games.
Bentley Gutierrez
Devs have literally said they don't want user reviews or forums on the epic games store
Ethan Brooks
Sure thing bud. This is literally the best thing to have possibly happened to psyonix. Rocket league was fucking dying a few months ago and now they've got all the fortnite kiddies seeing it on their launcher and a nice fat payout from Epic. If I was a smaller game company like psyonix I'd hop on that Epic money train without a second thought. >there's a very real concern of the one's still playing on steam getting shafted eventually. I seriously doubt existing players are going to completely lose access to the game. Worst that could happen is that people have to play it through the Epic launcher, but if people are really THAT dedicated about playing the game then it shouldn't be too much of an issue for them.
Joshua Butler
too bad we won't see the results for a long time, with how long negotiations take what we're seeing right now was probably done a while ago, E3 will be terrible this year
Dylan Martin
Reminder to avoid listening to anyone who cites this fuck. He has a huge bias because he was treated unfairly so resorts to acting like a child with temper tantrum all day on twitter while finding every opportunity he can to shit on Valve even if it's exaggerated and made up. Tim and the others hold him on a pedastal just because he worked at Valve for a few years.
If you're still not getting it, my point is that people keep going on and on about a game being released on Epic being a >Steam killer When Steam constantly has a flow of new games and a several year headstart with all the older ones already available on it. Even you aren't acknowledging why everything Steam already has going for it somehow does not matter because Epic could put out a game that would somehow invalidate all of that.
Aiden Young
New thread
Christopher Gomez
Yeah, and it's funny that several people are like >Yeah, I know that the devs blatantly don't want to be called out on shit in any way that could make people second guess a purchase, but I don't care because I read a bad review once.
Leo Rodriguez
you should just extend that to anybody who posts regularly on twitter that you do not personally interact
Dominic Young
The point I am trying to make is that if Epic has several AAA titles that are all the rage of their respective genres, then people will buy those first, which means they won't spend money on indies in Steam. Limited leisure cash and all that.
This is something that could happen if Epic decides to go all out with big dick devs and becomes THE source of quality games, of course. I understand it is unlikely, but it is a possibility.
John Carter
>You lack reading comprehension. But then, it's already proved you are trolling or retarded. Your previous (and current) poor grasp on the English language is obvious, but fuck it, let's continue. >Okay, then why not less? Because more of my money going to the people that make the thing I like will benefit them? Will help them stay in business? Will help them continue to make more thing that I will likely enjoy? Are you fucking retarded? Rhetorical question at this point, of course you're fucking retarded. >which number you want: 18% from Tim's asshole or Epic 12% Ok I know maths is hard for your raisin brain so lemme break this down. They charge 18% for games that do not use the Unreal engine. They charge 12% for those that do. You got that, champ? >Second you are thinking like a child. Rich coming from someone with grammar at the level of a chimp, but go on. >Have you considered for example how much less profit, perhaps even a loss Steam could run if he ran those values? If Valve operates at a loss taking 18% from Steam sales when they do literally NOTHING but facilitate the download then they are shit and deserve to die. Not unlike you. >'muh arbitrary cut' It isn't arbitrary. You're just fucking stupid. >Post again about something you have no clue about. Ok. I have no clue how deep and wide your mother's vagina is. I have no idea how long echos of a dick bouncing off it's walls would last. I have no clue as to the aerodynamic qualities such a cavernous void would imbue to any hot-dog shaped object unfortunate enough to get close to it. For all I know, it is so vacuous that perhaps such an object would be immediately sucked in, like a an object crossing over the event horizon of a black hole. Perhaps such an unfortunate specimen would be propelled outward at the speed of light. All I know is that I wouldn't even consider approaching an orifice capable of spawning such an braindead retard mutant as yourself for anything less than 7 figures.
David Walker
>if Epic decides to go all out with big dick devs and becomes THE source of quality games, of course. Jesus Christ one can only dream. Imagine being able to go back to pre-greenlight steam when you could actually trust that the game you were purchasing was curated and was at least playable and finished.
Nolan Reed
If only Epic actually had good curation because most of the shit they've gotten so far as exclusives are complete fucking trash or shit I don't want to play yet because it's early access.
