Which one was more retarded?

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4 by a very wide margin, it's a nonstop stream of shit over everything you ever loved about the franchise, 5 was just the final fart.

4, but that multiplayer was fire

I'd rather just not think about either

Yup

4 was retarded in a B-movie kind of way. The whole stuff about nanomachines being behind everything was so stupid that it made the entire plot feel retarded. And still I like it a lot, but I don't know why, it has way more flaws than good things.
V, apart from the whole metanarrative stuff clashing with the loyalty and revenge story, didn't cross so many lines, but also didn't do anything great either. I like it too, but honestly, I feel like it would be better if it was way more insane or at least it didn't try to take itself too seriously, because I feel that made it feel empty.

Rising
But it was retardedly fun
Platinum sure did the mother of all omelets with that one

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MGSV's only sin was to take itself too seriously.

4 ruined Raiden and made the title giving Metal Gears completely pointless because why build that shit if cyborgs are better in every single way?

I literally never hear anyone praise 4 but at least some people liked 5.

MGS4. It's not even close.

>I literally never hear anyone praise 4

It happens all the time. I personally thing MGS4 had the best gameplay in the series, but as is often noted, it only really shines in the first 2 acts.

4 is more retarded for absurd level of fanservice, literally the only cool thing to come out of this game was the Gekkos.
V has a terrible story, but very fun gameplay, best control scheme. More gameplay focused which makes it more excusable

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Which game had objectively the best optional codec talks?

MGS4 might be retarded but it's also good and entertaining and had great multiplayer. You'd have to be a tasteless brainless moron who hates the entire franchise to like MGSV.

>Gekkos
>Cool

u wot

Well in V you get both Miller and Ocelot, AND you can listen to them while playing.
4 makes you pause to listen to Emmerich's whiney voice

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V for me. GZ was too kino of a setup for some garbage about parasites.

4 and V are a side of the same coin. 4 was a movie and V was not enough of a movie. Only true Metal Gear Solid fans know what I mean.

MGS3 without a doubt.

>Cardboard box
>Mushrooms recharging batteries
>Tuxedo James Bond rant
>SIGINT's nightmare
>Crocodile cap
>Naked camo

Miller and Ocelot don't say a damn thing worth hearing in V.

Yes, they are. They encapsulate the Metal gear series. They are intimidating, yet silly at the same time, I personally find their design to be pretty realistic, some of Shinkawa's best design and perfect for the Metal gear theme.

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When you consider the circumstances of each game, I think V wins the retardation race easily. Like, yeah, it doesn't ruin the canon since everything in V is basically irrelevant at best, but it also shows that Kojima can't write for shit.

honestly, V. The grind in that game and that stupid fucking ballon/wormhole made it insufferable.

People complain about the cutscenes in 4, but I prefer them over waiting 100 hours in a helicopter playing idle management games on a bright blue eyefucking gps

V could have been 100x better, but it was just mediocre at best if you forget about the grindy bullshit

MGS4 was way more retarded, but it was also a million times more entertaining

V was a bigger disappointment and it had retarded shit like Quite but objectively speaking the retarded things that happen in IV can't even be topped by MGR. Do I think being retarded is necessarily bad? No I don't. MGS4 is a decent anime.

I always just thought they were more silly than anything. The only time they were scary was in the cutscene in the very beginning where Snake is fighting off two of them in a building. When you see them in-game they just moo like retarded cows and do hilarious ninja sweep kicks.

Design-wise I always thought the way their legs connected to the main body was pretty weak. This spot right here.

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4 is like a fucking overdose of fanservice, a crazy wildride that just fucking goes all out in both a good and bad way, there's not many games quite like it, it's unique in its own way.
V is like a wet fart with absolute GOD tier gameplay foundations that will never, EVER be used to its full potential.
Makes me pretty sad that we'll probably never have a decade long crazy wild ride like MGS1 through 4. This industry needs more unhinged directors with an inflated ego like kojima and pair them with the most talented teams on the planet and less board-approved games mandated by out of touch boomer investors.

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4. V's problem is the scenes it doesn't have, making it feel incomplete. Among other problems. But for the most part it's a completely inoffensive game with a lackluster story and fun gameplay. 4 has retarded plot shit like all of the NANOMACHINES, Ocelot's self-hypnosis bullshit, and the meryl x johnny shit. 4 has great scenes too but it's also full of some of the absolute worst scenes in the franchise.

Wow TWO pointless non-characters driveling insubstantial dialogue trying to give the impression of the game having a story or purpose holding together the eternity of empty boring pointless side-missions that make up the game's entire content base.

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4 by a long shot.
5 was not really retarded, it was just bad.

MGS4 made the diarrhea guy of the previous games an actual story relevant character. I don't think this questions really leaves any room for discussion. People who name V do so merely out of spite and nothing more.

>V is like a wet fart with absolute GOD tier gameplay foundations that will never, EVER be used to its full potential.

This is what hurts the most about it. I could forgive the completely retarded plot if the gameplay was fun, but it's just a waste. I wish they did more with the online PMC raiding shit, they way it was implement was so lazy and bad.

>OOHH NAOMI!!! NAOMI!!! OH SNAKE I GOT KEKED BY NAOMI WAAAAAA
That's fine, I just hated everything going on in 4. V's dialogue was all business, just tellin you about the world and your missions.

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4

imagine is mgo 3 was as good as 2 and took advantage of the base game, fucking hate how much it sucks compared to 2

Yeah man, it ticks me off. The worst part is that after kojima fucked off and the remaining team was charged to do some other game with the fox engine and its gameplay foundations, they just decide to literally copypaste every single asset and gameplay mechanic from V and added tacked on survival elements. How many years since we last heard of a project made with the fox engine? PES doesn't count

Both were fucking great

Hal getting cuckked by Naomi, Jonny poopstain cuckking Solid Senior, Psycho mantis and Big Boss coming back for no reason other than fan service, the obnoxious 'tragic' backstory of the B&B unit, these things and more make me dislike 4 a lot. With V, I can at least just lose myself in the Gameplay, and dont have to listen to whiney Emmerich. I also love the helicopter ride every time. If Snake can sit through it, so can I. The awkward car ride with SkullFace was pushing it though. Plus he was just a lame villain. I wish V had MGS3's writer.

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as a game, V. story wise 4 was more retarded

V. 4 was GOAT

MGS4, clearly..

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I will say the SOP plot and magic parasite plots were equally retarded and full of holes.

the one where they charged money for a demo

4's cover is "look at this close up of tech demo graphics that aren't in the game and will inevitably age like shit over time".

V's cover is also tech demo graphics that aren't in the game but they're not made the sole focus of the cover. They're somewhat obscured and there are other design elements going on beyond "look at the grafix unf muh dik" like the lighting, red V and visually interesting logo.

Moral of the story: Artstyle conquers graphics every time. But Artstyle+Graphics is best.

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>metal gear solid 2 not in god tier
Nice bait.

4 exists purely to finish story even though the gameplay is the best imo.

V is not even a finished game nor does it have a clear design as there are alot of
game mechanics but no ways to use them in an interesting way

I can forgive 4's retardation and only wish V had a more fleshed out FOB mode cause thats where the game shines

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