So...

>I will just wait for the games to come to Steam.

So why raise a stink?

>Shill resorts to asking a question to apparently out me as a hypocrite.
Because you are used to buying from that nice reliable store, and forced to buy from that shady rundown and unfriendly store that wants to put that reliable store out of business. That's why.

It's good for the industry because developers/publishers get more money per sale which literally fuels the production of more games at a better rate than on other platforms.

Only the publishers get paid more, user.

>They get more money therefore better games.
Most of that money goes to the publisher you dolt. And do you really think that a slight increase in revenue will inspire a reniassance of games when Epic's curation is way stricter than Steams? Assault Android Cactus was rejected, why? Because it already made most of the sales on Steam and it's more Niche than the games Epic is buying up.
Fucking lobotomized retard.

Publishers and devs often share the profit at a pre-determined rate.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for Epic Games, but it's a good argument.

>I'm not for this crappy storefront, which is why I am defending it.
Nice try but people like you are fucking weird, go suck Tim Sweeney's cock.

I'm not defending it, I'm explaining why people defend it, like OP asked.

But that's all those people say, and your on Yea Forums here, not plebbit. Talking like that just outs you as a shill.

>people who defend for this piece of shit storefront keep saying it's "good for the industry" but never give any examples to back it up.
The same reason so many fucking idiots used to think that the "Net Neutrality" regulations were good, let alone working towards actual net neutrality, and would bring up corporate-fed buzzwords & bullet points about completely unrelated shit.
The marketing team and all of the journalists they paid just have to say "competition!" enough times and idiots will believe it.

it's pro-dev, at least in the short term
epic pays devs a shitload to put their games on the epic store, more than they most likely would make by selling the game on steam
on the epic store they dont need to sell a single copy

but epic wont keep paying them if the game doesnt sell
and saying fuck you to the people who buy games is not good for any future games they might make

weak bait

>forces steam to be more competitive
>gives a bigger share of the profits to the publishers and developers
that's pretty much all it does for the industry that could be construed as good, but the reality is that steam doesn't give a fuck and isn't reacting to EGS at all and it's arguable at best how much "extra" money the publishers are getting from the better cut when they would inevitably sell more copies on steam

it's just a piece of shit storefront with only the bare minimum of features for it to be complaint with the law because they are too busy spending their cash to buy exclusives and having their devs slave away on fortnite

Might as well add that I block people who defend this shitty storefront.

Are you implying there are no shills on Reddit?

The idea is that it creates competition which means developers get a better deal and the storefronts have to both be higher-quality.

The reality is that Epic is just a greedy company that wants in on Steam's slice of the pie, consumers are forced to have multiple storefronts instead of just one when having ANY DRM was already a huge fucking hassle, and having more storefronts just moves us further and further away from the idea of NOT selling your game on a fucking storefront.

The fact of the matter is this: If Epic spends millions of dollars so that I can't play a particular video game on the storefront I've been using for years, and they're doing it just because they've gotten greedy after Fortnite, then they're a piece of shit company that doesn't deserve my money. They are directly going against my wishes. I do not want to download another storefront. I barely put up with Steam as it is.

How mentally fucking ill would you have to be to care which toy store you buy your toys from holy shiiiiiiit. Where you shop is not an identity you pathetic turbo virgins

No but in this case the toy shop across town has shelled out big bucks so I can't buy the new G.I. Joe from the toy shop across the street from me, so now I have to drive all the way out there and walk in and it's a smelly fucking dump with none of the nice features and toys I like, no shopping carts, the manager's a douche, the employees are nowhere to be found, and I pick up the G.I. Joe and check it out and the manager goes "okay, now remember, you can only play with this toy on OUR side of town, so please bring it back here if you're going to leave and we'll put it in the safe for you". And yeah, my toy shop has that policy as well, but at least I fucking LIVE on that side of town.

And as I leave the manager starts snickering and going "heheh fuck that other toy shop, I should be the one to have all the money hahahaha!".

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>>According to The Verge, Rocket League will not be available on Steam after it goes on Epic Games Store in late 2019

>tfw I unironically support the Epic Store and will have to buy Rocket League for my Steam account now

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And then the people defending the terrible store are hipsters who claim your just a whiny baby for disliking it.

What makes you think epic store can compete against steam

They are forcing people to buy from their storefront by not giving than other options.

Leftists are dishonest contrarians who will immediately jump to the opposite side of the racist incel gamers even if this involves literally shilling for a faceless corporation that doesn't care at all about them. It's essentially their version of "anything to trigger the libs!", because dirtbags know they're losing the culture war and are now desperately trying to make leftism cool again by pushing the narrative of "the right are the REAL snowflakes!"

EGS is pro-baiter. It gives (you)s.

The publishers will decide who wins, fuck off customers. It's not upto you.

It brings back piracy

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Hypothetically, by popping up and dying periodically it keeps steam user friendly and improving. If steam didn't have these other things to beat, they'd get lazy and not care. But because people are willing to compete, even if they lose, it forces steam to keep developing and trying.

Hypothetically at least, who knows what would actually happen. Have a webm of some lesbians and calm down.

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>half the """"features"""""
>all of it being social bloat that has nothing to do with video games
>"security issues"
>nothing to back that claim up

Who the fuck still plays Rocket Leauge?
Also splitting your playerbase 4 years after lauch seems like a terrible idea

>Nothing to back that claim up
>Typical Shill
You heard of all those people who had compromised accounts? And fuck, I HAD THAT HAPPEN WITH ME and people claim the security is fine?

>You heard of all those people who had compromised accounts?
No, i seriously havent.
If you're talking about the "Epic Games - Help Protect Your Account" spam of emails, its literally just scriptkiddies running an outdated combolist through a program like AccountReaper.
Its was not a leak on Epics end, they werent hacked and user accounts werent stolen on their end. Its people using the millions upon millions of actual database breaches of emails and passwords on the Epic login to see if a kid used the same passwords on two different services to they can steal Fortnite accounts and sell them for real life cash.
If you have ANY proof to the contrary, feel free to provide it or fuck off you retarded faggot.
If you want to check if your own data is out there, here you go sec.hpi.de/ilc/

But there's no games on EGS

Exclusives are bad for consumers, but it’s a means of taking down a fucking giant. Imagine if Steam were any Telecom company, you would eat in to their business only by offering immense deals or unique services unavailable at the giant company. Competition will then cause the telecom giant to change their own practices to meet the loss of sales by lowering costs, improving product, or innovating.
Steam is a money vacuum that hasn’t done shit for PC gaming in the last 5 years. They gave up on what made them popular in favor of easy money.

The only difference between steam and telecoms is that the government doesn’t assist steam in maintaining a monopoly of the market

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Woah easy there chinaman.

Congratulations comrade, this post has earned you two social credits! You may now have a packet of steak sauce with your daily ration of dog meat. Keep it up!

Doesn't change the fact Epic has done jack and Steam has made PC gaming better and hell supports Linux.

>the absolute best you can come up with after 15 minutes of being assblasted is "china"

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>Steam has made PC gaming better

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It's more interesting than saying Shill.

what exclusives did valve buy?

>anybody that isnt severely mentally challenged and knows even the basics about account security is a "shill"
I think its about time you stop posting and save yourself even more embarrassment.

You’re not supposed to just believe in competition between markets as a good thing implicitly, it’s supposed to be a good thing when they both compete to make things better for the consumer, how has EGS made anything better for the consumer? Prices are the same now, the services are still the same, now you just need 2 launchers. It does nothing but inconvenience you.

If I'm only interested in the games why would I buy them on the EGS instead of just pirating them?
Do I get a physical version from EGS?
No?
Then fuck off.

>i composed a reply and clicked all pictures of stop signs to show you how much i totally d-don't care

>Competition will then cause the telecom giant to change their own practices to meet the loss of sales by lowering costs, improving product, or innovating.
This is a really REALLY beginner-level understanding of economics. The fact is, Steam just has a huge playerbase of people who will not stop using it. I know I'm not going to start going to the Epic store, even if they start giving me great deals - I can pirate whatever the fuck I want, I don't care what my shit costs. I just want to have all my stuff in one place so that when I DO decide to buy DMC5 or something similar, I don't have to go open up another fucking storefront to play it.

There's a reason why Epic are doing exclusives, and it's because they know this. They know that consumers aren't going to use the Epic store unless they LITERALLY HOLD GAMES HOSTAGE. What good is this doing the consumer? It's not competition. Steam's not interested in competing. All Epic is doing is muscling in and trying to get a slice of the pie to the DETRIMENT of the consumer, against the consumer's wishes. This won't change, suddenly, Steam won't go "oh we're increasing the developer's cut to 88%", and again, EPIC FUCKING KNOWS THIS. They KNOW that Steam's not interested in competing, they're using it as a fucking marketing gimmick for their garbage storefront, and they're forcing consumers to install their storefront to play exclusive games that Steam IS NOT INTERESTED IN OUTBIDDING THEM ON.

Epic is a bunch of fucking sleazebags. Even IF we were to presume that the existence of multiple stores with exclusives creates "competition" (it fucking doesn't), that's just an excuse, a marketing gimmick, that Epic are using to try and win over your heart so you buy their shit instead. As soon as they build up a loyal playerbase, they'll start pulling out as many anti-consumer, anti-competition practices as they can, because that's how you make money.

>i spent 15 minutes being asshurt trying to find any proof of what i claimed, found nothing, had to fall back to "china" and clicked all pictures of stop signs to show you how much you're bad and im good
You could have just not responded and taken the L, this is just embarrassing now

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Why do storefronts need to compete with each other? Why can't they coexist? I frequently use both steam and gog, about 50/50. I hate how epic actively holds games hostage on their shitty launcher with shitty security.

This is a store so shitty that adding more games would actually delay other games from releasing on the store

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Not even the guy you replied to. Imagine being this angry and bitter

>i-i-i-im not the same guy
>n-n-n-no you're the one thats angry and bitter
Sure kiddo, im angry and bitter because i won thats how it works.

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What the fuck.

Why is Wojak in The Division 2?

>N-NNO YOU ARE HIM BECAUSE I SAID SO
Jesus, have you a psychiatrist?

>So, can someone smarter than me explain why people who defend for this piece of shit storefront keep saying it's "good for the industry" but never give any examples to back it up.

>No trading cards
>No "level up your profiles for get more cards" bullshit
>No facebook-tier features

>still trying to defend your samefag this hard
You know you can stop posting at any time right? You're free to just close the tab and stop making yourself look like such a fool.
Its an anonymous site, nobody is going to know who you are after you leave.

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Hey remember when steam realised this manual process was shit for the 10,000 odd games they had, and switched to a more streamlined process where devs could publish their own updates almost completely automatically?

I wonder what that was called....

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I really wish you could see how pathetic you're behaving. It's really quite worrying.

>No user reviews
>No built-in modding platform that has actually convinced dev's to add in nodding support
>No built-in controller support
>No sales even on the level of current-day Steam
>No Linux support

So much better

I really wish you could see how pathetic you're behaving. It's really quite worrying.

but exclusive are literally the exact diametric opposite of competition

What makes you think people will buy their games instead of just pirating them?
All the EGS exclusives have been the most pirated games this year on every torrent site.

Do you believe races to the bottom are a good form of competition? Because that's the direction epic wants to go in, lower cuts mean storefronts make less money, lower margins mean the business is nonviable for new competitors. Want to make your own storefront now? You now need a 12% or less margin or you need to make money somehow (think subscriptions like psn+ or xbl).

The end result will be a worse service for customers and even less competition than before as the barrier to enter gets higher (less games to sell due to exclusivity and lower margins)

>literally regressing into autistic echolalia
Oh god, don't let me be responsible for another Yea Forums suicide! My body count's at least 17 at this point, my samefag ops are just too sophisticated.

>literally regressing into autistic echolalia
Oh god, don't let me be responsible for another Yea Forums suicide! My body count's at least 17 at this point, my samefag ops are just too sophisticated.

the only good thing about epic is you can browse the whole store in less than five seconds

Steambros, have we already passed bargaining stage? I'm starting to feel depression.

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actually physically cringing at you

>he's still seething this hard

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Either Valve steps up and retaliates in some way or they're fucked. I hope they pull through but we'll have to see. I'll jump to GOG if it keeps going, they get the occasional big release.

Workshop has and always will be a negative due to how fucking limited it is. Instead of having devs actually put effort into mod tools, they slap in workshop and call it a day.
Theres a reason Workshop is just a fucking sea of asset swaps with no real legitimately good mods, its a lazy copout and anybody that defends it is a fucking laptop gaming shitter that is too much of a fucking brainlet to operate even Mod Organiser.

You are literally going insane. You are now claiming this THIRD person is actually me, who is actually the guy you were replying to in the first place. Do you actually have a mental condition? That's a legitimate question.

It doesn't work like that
Look at epic games
>fortnite makes tons of money, epic responds to their newfound success by killing off paragon and putting UT4 on ice

Look at EA
>fifa and madden make billions
>EA literally cannot stop shutting down developers

You think these small time devs are your friend but the minute EA or epic or whoever offers them a fat check the jump on board, then a couple years down the line they come back crying about crunch or how their publisher forced them to do some shit. Remember pop cap? Or bungie? These fuckers get bought out and raped and we're supposed to feel bad for them.

>Workshop has and always will be a negative due to how fucking limited it is.
The fact that some dev's have added mod support because of Workshop's existence already makes it worthwhile

realistically how would you compete with a storefront that already has a bottomless warchest, has millions of users, staggering library of games, and has been around for nigh upon 16-17 years?

We're all anonymous here user. How do I know you're not me too?

>he's STILL seething this hard
Is there no limits to your autism? Its still funny for sure but if you keep going for another 50 minutes it might start getting pathetic.

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You've yet to provide any examples, but no, thats still a negative.

>it is not epics fault that they leaked our data

It's*

Jesus Christ how incompetent

By making your own games that people actually want to pay money for and play instead of cancelling everything that isn't making gangbusters?

They didnt leak your data?

>Imagine if Steam were any Telecom company, you would eat in to their business only by offering immense deals or unique services unavailable at the giant company.
What's wrong with this? Are we supposed to accept competition that is objectively worse for us?
You're confusing 2 different issues here, no shit some guy running a mom and pop store can't compete with steam but EA, Microsoft or epic could easily, they just don't care about giving you a good product (remember GFWL?)

Imagine wanting competition where the result is worse services and higher prices for you because you don't like the idea of a big rich company being far better than the competition.

This can't be fucking real
Why are people defending this garbage? Hey indie devs we can't put your games on epic because then it would delay everything every single time.

They are literally just marketers OP. Brainless Chinks and Pajeets spamming for pennies a day. Their company is desperate since the store is a complete and total failure.

That's not competing, that's just a monopoly.

Valve won't be fucked because there's a cost to everything epic does and if epic pisses off investors there will be blood, epic isn't some shitty company struggling to make money, they make billions but they don't make billions by pissing money into the sea. Epic needs to show that their strategy is not only sustainable but also profitable.

Oh no, steam is finished. What will they do without Borderlands 3 and Satisfactory? It's over, bros.

Also I forgot to mention esports leagues are usually not profitable, you don't make money off esports in and of itself, esports is one big advertisement and advertisements cost money.

I believe competition will always benefit the consumer in the long run. It may take several years though or even a decade.

Not this kind of competition chink.

you realize that buying exclusivity to be the only person allowed to sell something is the opposite of competition right?

this isn't competition though
or rather, isn't healthy competition.
It's coming at the cost of the consumers who are the backbone of the industry

Those two games are nothing. Rocket League is consistently in steamcharts top 10 and makes a ton of money through lootboxes.

>Chinese marketers

They are doing exclusivity right now to enter the market. Its the only way to compete with Steam. I'm pretty sure Epic are losing money on these exclusivity deals. They will probably stop doing these deals as soon as the EGS have a large enough userbase to stand on its own feet.

>I believe competition will always benefit the consumer in the long run
Collusion is a thing, you can be competitive and still fuck over the consumer

but how is it going to get a large enough userbase when what they're doing is blatantly anti-consumer and the general publics opinion on Epic isn't a good one

kind of irrelevant to your first post about competition though. As long as you're acknowledging there's currently not true competition when epic is buying exclusivity.

>it's pro-dev, at least in the short term
>epic pays devs a shitload to put their games on the epic store, more than they most likely would make by selling the game on steam
They don't. They pay publishers. Whether or not that exclusivity money trickles down to developers, we don't know.

Free games and the Unreal Engine.

That's it. I'm not buying anything on Epic just yet. Maybe later when more games come out, but for now it's all about freebies.

The general majority gives zero fucks about this. World War Z has sold 320k copies on the EGS so far. 250k in the first week. I wonder how much Borderlands 3 is going to sell if WWZ sells that much. The store will continue to grow in the foreseeable future.

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>250k in the first week
That seem like a really low number for a multiplat AAA game
I think even Far Cry 5 sold more than that

250k in a week is pathetic when you remember that Risk of Rain 2, a sequel to an unknown indie game with a sub-6k all time peak, sold 650k units in a week.

reminder that WWZ was at E3 while RoR2 basically didn't exist in the mainstream outside of that one trailer during the BL3 reveal. Also the devs paid top twitch streamers to play WWZ.

The EGS is literally 4 months old. Of course a game would sell better on Steam, the userbase is tremendously bigger.

But that's not the point you retard
You said the majority doesn't give or would not give a fuck and pointed to low sales numbers
It doesn't matter the age of the platform, if they didn't give a fuck it would have sold much better

Wow that is a genuinely horrid store design. This is the first I've seen it.

>h-hol up lemme ignore all the Fortnite players who use the store"

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Muh competition

In his defense, Fortnite's pubg mode is free to play. WWZ requires ponying up cash.

Buddy trickle down economics, doesn't work everytime

Defend this. Convince me how Epic delivers competition in a way that benefits the consumer.

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it just means thwy can release shittier products while getting more money

The whole point of epic's store is to get better sales than you would get on steam.
There's no point going for less sales despite the better cut, that's the reason epic does the whole guaranteed minimum sales thing, if you game flops on epic you can't say 'wow epic you fucked me' because epic will guarantee sales. Funny enough we have no idea how they do this, we don't know if this counts as a copy sold or not

>What is GoG
>what is piracy

There are people smarter than you.
There are also people far, far dumber than you. Many of them are here.

Epic doesn't benefit the consumer outside of the bi-monthly freebies. They never claimed they were pro consumer, they say they stand up for the developers. Which is why publishers (not developers) get to walk away with 88% of the profits.

Then it doesn't make sense for consumers, such as , to defend them.

250k copies sold in the first week on a store that has only existed for 4 months is what I would call a tremendous success. If that is how big the EGS has become in only 4 months, how big is the store going to be in lets say 5 years?
The average fortnite player has probably never used the store.

A lot of people hate Steam for what it's done with regards to modern gaming (i.e. not having full ownership of your games, but rather having ownership of a license for that game), so anything that shits on Steam is a bonus for them.

It's funny how Epic touts how pro-developer they are while working their own into the ground for their chinese masters.

Some people are just natural cucks.
Others are shills.

>250k copies sold in the first week on a store that has only existed for 4 months is what I would call a tremendous success.
Dude, BF3 was the first Origin game and it sold a million units in less than a week on PC in 2011, when the market was much smaller.
Again, pulling lower numbers than a modern indie game is utterly pathetic.

Those people are just retarded, if they actually cared about that they'd be buying on and supporting GoG and other DRM-free platforms instead of EGS, which shits on ownership just as much as Steam.

That would make sense if the thing that shit on Steam did things differently, but Epic is doing the exact same thing in that regard.

Battlefield is a much bigger property than WWZ - AA budgeted multiplayer game by a literal who dev

WWZ has literally had a giant blockbuster movie that grossed over half a billion dollars, the fuck are you talking about?

And had its sequel canceled lmao

Mainly because it was shit, much like the game.

Its not even leftists. Even places like Resetera hate Epic, which makes it even more hilarious that Epic apologists are even lower than them.

Leftists will hate epic because epic won't let them in either. People assume that epic will be the savior of indie devs but it won't, recently one of the epic devs tweeted that they can only add a few games to the store per week and every time they add a new game to the store it delays EVERYTHING including other game releases and adding new features to the store, it's a real cluster fuck, I need to find that tweet again

It's in this thread.

You only have to look at modern video streaming services for the future if Epic continues. I personally pirate all my shit but I have had friends who started switching to piracy after complaining about how fragmented the video streaming environment is, where every service hogs their own exclusives and they all basically stagnated because its all about the exclusives.

Why you buy early access in the first place?

Oh shit this thread was up for a while I thought that was another one. It's fucking embarrassing how bad epic is to the point that their own store suffers for it.

Risk of Rain 2 sold much better than most indie games though. I don't think most indie games sell 650k copies in the first week. The average title on the EGS are going to sell more and more as the userbase grows. 250k first week sales after only 4 months of existing is not pathetic.

The age of the store doesn't matter if, as you originally argued, no one cares about what store the game is on.
So clearly people do care and consider EGS inadequate (which it is).

Yeah, maybe next time a game can sell 25 copies instead of 9. Then they can make the bold statement that they sold over 2.5 times more.

Yeah, I've had Netflix for years but if I actually sat down and looked at the numbers I'd probably unsubscribe. I spend more time watching pirated shows that AREN'T on Netflix than I actually spend watching stuff that is, and I'm sure as hell not shelling out the extra $40 per month I'd need to watch them legally.

early access is unironically a good thing for devs and customers
alternatively devs could just not label their games as early access, then you unknowingly buy into some early access shit

The age of the store matters. You need to make a user and download the store. Not everybody is going to bother doing that. You can't expect a game to sell as much on the EGS compared to Steam.

No, it's not the age that matters, it's the store itself.

Okay then. Lets see in 5 years time. If games sell about as much as they do right now on the EGS as they do in 5 years then I guess I was wrong.

Because the companies who make these storefronts shill out faggot beta V-bux to streamer soi bois and girls who will open their bearded mouths and wave their hands up in the air and post about what they are brainwashed to believe in doing "whats right". Group think takes place when the companies suade popular streamers.

Because humans naturally behave as "herd" animals, when a popular streamer(s) and their brainlet crowd get on a bandwagon about what is "right", then bring their ideals over to Plebbit or Twitter or some shit and circle jerk eachother's comments (because god forbid you critique them or tell them they are wrong, then you'll be banned or downvoted to a place where no one will read what you say), the comment circle jerkery then gets noticed by normal fags and they jump on it because they don't want to be seen as "different" form twitter / not lose karma good goi points on plebbit. Everyone wants to feel special or belonged by the herd, except (some of) you faggots who think for themselves.

Game stores are just out to shill out for your cash and personal data. They do not care about anything else. This use a streamer / youtuber / twitter fag is common practice since social media became a thing, creative thought or critiquing is frowned upon in society now and brainlets, being most, people lack any creative thought other than following the herd and getting good goi points to get a dopamine rush.

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>accurate steam comic 3
>3
kek

Developers get a bigger cut. Valve takes a 30% cut of every game sale.

This especially helps smaller developers whose games only sell a few hundred of thousand copies.

publishers*

>"I didn't know if we were going to cover server costs," remembered design director, Corey Davis at a recent GDC talk. "Steam covered everything and they pay very quickly, which was important. I can't really imagine what we would have done if we'd shipped only on PlayStation 4 and got that many users."

That cut goes back into the costs of steam's services, epic's 12% goes towards sweeney's pockets.
With epic you're on your own, sure you can argue epic will pay you for exclusives but that won't last forever and 18% more might not cover the cost of the services you need in the short term, not every game blows up on day one or year one

Publishers get the bigger cut user.

I am officially the 4th person replying to your insanity, you and your mother can suck the cum out of my dick and spit it into your father's mouth, you stupid fucking faggot

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