Very true

>implying europe makes games

Why do people think people can only have fun in one way? Why do people think if they arent having fun, no one else is?

Europe was the one that unleashed the cancer. See Another World which is a horribly pretentious platformer with clunky controls.

Games will never be art and that’s ok.

go fuck a snake

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>Game A explores the nature of a man
>Game B tries to cram as many gays as possible

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>Publicly voicing your opinion on something is propaganda

The best games are and always will be turn based abstract strategy games with game trees so deep that they're greater that the amount of atoms in the galaxy.
Go and Chess are the two most famous examples.

Yeah its the europoors who brought us the newest wolfenstein.

Americans are brought you the newest Doom

>What is Pandemic
>What is Planescape Torment
>What is Hollow Knight

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Those are all products sold to entertain you.

Why post a fake article?

>if something is sold then it is not art
Aren't you the hippiest hipster of them all.

Glad to know that this wasn't art than, since it was commisioned and thus, sold as a product

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You are just lying to yourself if you want to give the world a message and shape culture, it’s product. You can be as creative with that product as much as you want but it’s soul purpose in the end is to be sold.

While classical art medium are made for sale more often than not, what about stuff like Dwarf Fortress and Aurora 4x?
Passion projects, free to enjoy for everyone (I think Aurora guy lives off poker, not donations, like DF guy), made to satisfy creator`s autism.

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turn-based is not a requirement

You're just naming examples. You haven't explained why those games are art or why any game could be art.

U-huh and no great work of art was ever sold to anyone ever, no masterpieces were ever made on commission and no classics were intended to be products at some point.
Truly you are an enlightened beacon of wisdom in the this world.

Now go to run around naked on the streets shouting how the mona lisa isn't art, some nice men will come pick you up and let you live a nice life with people who share your opinion on this matter. Act fast and they will throw in a neat long sleeved shirt to boot!

Imagine thinking art is valuable lmao.

boring, kys.

And that's a good thing

>Art does not have “messages”
one half of art is the representation of human emotion. how would you manage to achieve it without imagery or symbolism?

>pushing social agendas means art
okay

Games are toys, they can’t and shouldn’t be compared to literature and high art.

Art
>The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

MGS?

i haven't been happy in years

>spread awareness and bring about change
That's just a family friendly way of saying "Producing propaganda".

But Europe is making Mount & B... Oh.

Dwarf Fortress is for sale on Steam. It's right to be art was revoked as a result.

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Where? It is on steam, but it can not be bought.
And you can download it on creator`s site.

Just because you're not smart doesn't make the games boring

>use games to spread social awareness but with no fun
>no one plays the game
>social awareness stays low
Fun is really easy to understand in the context of video games: it is essentially the satisfaction of overcoming a challenge and solving a problem. There are other enjoyable aspects of games but this one is the reason why people play games over watching a similar movie or reading a book.
If your game isn’t fun, it’s just a digital book or movie where you have to hit the play button every couple of minutes to keep the story progressing

The Steam version of DF will be free, just with grafics by default. DF isn't really "art" anyway because it's just a chaos simulator. Amazing creation, yes, but it's not really made to express anything and is just a computational curiosity made by an autist. Shit, maybe it is art, I don't know. Fuck I love Dwarf Fortress.

art is subjective

>using a dictionary definition to defend your view

You know a person had to write that first, right? There is an entire culture and market based on modern art, filled with people who would defend its validity as art despite the fact that it doesn't fit in with this dictionary definition that someone or people else wrote, based on how they felt that the word was best described. Concepts aren't always easy to define.

>Implying Europeans are better

White Westerners in general need to fuck off with their incessant SJW politicking.

If the goal was set to be simple entertainment, then it isn’t trying to be high art.

I won’t play any game that doesn’t prioritize fun. If I want story I’ll read a book, or watch a movie.

You're misunderstanding what he's trying to say
Art, proper art, is never created with the intent of using it to change society, or peoples opinions, or any of the dumb shit these retarded hack niggers want.
Art may be created with a message, but that message is usually something abstract, or non political, or not a fucking literal lecture bitching at everyone who doesn't agree. Art created to do that is propaganda, plain and simple.

I have a confession to make. I once bought a game for real money and it turned out to be some walking simulator about cool lesbians and mongrel people from global super-nations in the future. I feel really bad for being stupid enough to pay those motherfuckers.

Video games don't have to be fun. I mean, they need to be interactive or else they have no purpose existing, but they don't need to strictly be "fun" to be worthwhile. A game can be a miserable, painful experience by design and be a good game, just like a film can be miserable and painful by design and still be a good film. It may not be to your taste, but a game doesn't need to be fun to be good.

The issue is that most people see "video games don't need to be fun!" and think "video games don't need to be games!" instead and make pretentious, boring walking simulators where the only input is holding W.

>Comparing video games to film

please be more interesting

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How can we raise awareness of CUTE FEET through the use of video games?

Doesn't change that video games don't need to be fun. People even play games in real life that aren't fun just for the thrill or catharsis of it.

Vidya CAN be art and focus on meaning and emotional depth over fun, and vidya CAN be toys/games and focus on fun over story, artistic depth, etc.

Both are valid approaches

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>Eurojank
>Fun

SUre but fun doesn’t mean pleasant or ego-stroking.
Fun still has to be present insofar as there’s a problem or challenge to overcome. It may be an impossible problem or challenge but it still has to be present, because that’s where good interactivity comes from.
If you want to make a game about despair, you can do that. I might even argue some games where there’s no win state like Tetris could be interpreted like that
But fun is a necessity to get players to engage with games. Even if the fun is painful in some ways or depressing even

What was it?

IT'S A FAKE ARTICLE FUCKHEADS

I'm not gonna be pedantic and quote the dictionary definition of "fun" at you but I agree with your sentiment for the most part.

have sex

It was called Tacoma. Absolutely awful. I feel embarrassed and ashamed knowing I paid people money to create that pile of dog shit propaganda.

This

are cartoons art? yes. did people think they were art when they were in their infancy? probably not, no.

to elaborate, they are both mediums of gesamtkunstwerk and saying otherwise is ignorant

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very nigger

yea on that purpose i can agree i think

>"But, my dear chap, you're welcome, I assure you. You're welcome." Henry Foster patted the Assistant Predestinator on the shoulder. "Every one belongs to every one else, after all."

>One hundred repetitions three nights a week for four years, thought Bernard Marx, who was a specialist on hypnopædia. Sixty-two thousand four hundred repetitions make one truth. Idiots! (3.149-50)

>The hypnopaedic platitude "Every one belongs to every one else" is a great example of the sort of confinement we see in Brave New World. No one can be free because everyone is subject to the desires and urges of every other person. How can you have freedom when you're considered property? The fact that everyone is both master and slave is one of the horrifying, cyclical traps of this system.

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FINISH THAT STATEMENT user
please don't hurt me like this

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What about my obligatory counterpoint?
youtube.com/watch?v=3MlNWYyVdh0

This is why I mostly just buy JP games now.

Because they aren't fun?

Every developer chooses what is the most important aspect of their games.

>plebbit spacing
You need to go back faggot

>implying they don't

Ubisoft, CDPR, Sony studios like HDZ guys, tons of indies etc.

While the US has Bethesda and... uhh. Rockstar, I guess under a british whip

Americans brought the newest Fallout. And the previous Fallout. And Anthem, and Crackdown. And Days Gone. Ohhhh nooo...

Exactly. And you're just a really fat, really old child who likes playing them. Nothing wrong with that.

Amen bro.

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>Being this insecure about your hobby

It's just American games, a country full of insecure fatsacks.
European games are very much superior and filled with soul, compared to American shit.

>Yea Forums only cares about fun when people in their own community continue to suffer
you people have nothing to lose from growing a heart, it doesn't cost a cent yet you care more about your own comfort than basic human rights

sometimes life needs propaganda, stop being so self centered

>DUDE JUST IGNORE THEM

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It is unironically true, but incidentally.

I don't know how many oldfags actually lurk these boards but it's fairly obvious that video games themselves have long since entered the mainstream and are firmly in the normiesphere.

if you feel targeted you're part of the problem, it's so fucking easy to stop being a dick, it only takes a slight change of attitude

This is a rabbit hole, I wouldn't bother going down it.

Art is ineffable and only exists between the observer and the observed.

The artistic value of a piece is no way, except incidentally, tied to the artist's intention.

If it was so easy to stop being a dick why do SJWs find it so hard?

Very true my friend! This is why this game is so great!

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>stop being a dick
and that would be what exactly?

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>trying to get people to be civil to others makes you a dick
I don't know how to even start explaining self-evident simple things to you, I'm sorry user.

>spacing
go back

Trying to censor, ban or outright ruin devs careers over shit makes you a cunt, deal with it

by treating marginalized groups like your equals and letting their voices be heard too

All those useless *studies* degrees wind up all being people that keep trying to tell you that you have to pay them to ruin your entertainment and spread misinformation.

>let them be heard
>they are the LOUDEST voices
You're so full of shit you libtard cuck

Almost every game that tries to be more than a game is cringe as fuck. Like something a child would make trying to impersonate an artist. Not saying all artistic games are bad but most are.

>marginalized groups
and who would that be?

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If it's not fun, why bother?

It's not my fault that you go out of your way to try to hurt others. I'm pretty fucking sure that you understand what you are doing when you treat people like shit, joke about them, insult them and threaten them. This shit isn't rocket science.

>THEN YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG! GAMES ARE PROPAGANDA DEVICES FOR FAILED FILM SCHOOL FLUNKS

It's funny because it's true, video game writers are almost always shitty writers whose biggest accomplishment are fanfics. Pretty much everyone on the creative side of video games is a failure from another medium.

I only treat people like shit when they try to fuck with my weeb tittie games, remember, you came for us, not the other way around. If we cannot be allowed to exist in peace, there can be only war

their voice isn't reaching you evidently, since you have a hard time understanding the reality many people are facing in your own society

This article is fake. Yea Forums takes this stupid bait every time.

someone needs to shoot up sony California unironically

I only play/talk about fun games to spread awareness and hopefully bring about change in the west.

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The shit cartoons that come out of the west are not art, they are made in aewat shops in South Korea. American animation is a fucking joke.

The reality many people in my society is the prospect of being wiped out by foreign invaders in our native land and the enablers like yourself who deserve the gallows

the groups that have gained the most power through the oppression of other groups throught history. Look at society, some groups are rich other are poor

I wonder (((who))) that could be

Maybe you should look at society, almost everyone is poor. Get over it pussy.

Everyone except a (((certain))) group

STOP FALLING FOR BAIT THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN POSTED 70 ON THIS BOARD YOU FUCKING RETARDS STOP REPLYING TO THESE THREADS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>STOP FALLING FOR BAIT THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN POSTED 70 ON THIS BOARD YOU FUCKING RETARDS STOP REPLYING TO THESE THREADS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
STOP FALLING FOR BAIT THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN POSTED 70 ON THIS BOARD YOU FUCKING RETARDS STOP REPLYING TO THESE THREADS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

nobody is fucking with your titles, would you flip your shit if your workplace made ramps for wheelchairs too?

>you came for us, not the other way around.
I never hesitate to remind liberals of this fact.

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Yeah true lol

you're paranoid and a racist, people like you shouldn't even vote

>nobody is fucking with your titles
Blatant lies, fucking sony shill

>some groups are rich other are poor
why could this be?

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>14 seconds later

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I make sure to vote every chance I get while cucks like you sit on your ass

sjw's hate all metrics that judge. they want to use word salads to make their shitty left leaning games look good

This. Pathologic is a perfect example of that.

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I don't know, what superpower has constantly been participating in large scale wars since its inception?

GAMERS RISE UP!!!

Israel?

yet some groups are poorer than others, just because people like you refuse to cooperate

This clickbait shit shouldn't be allowed.

"Fun" is simply just a type of "stimulation/engagement"
Brainlets on Yea Forums love to clamor that a game NEEDS to be fun or its worthless, but in truth you really just need to be engaged by the product.

A product can have artistic merit, it can have value for being weird or strange, interesting, a new take on something, give a message, tell a story, offer challenge, connect with others/the creator in a meaningful way.

Fun is simply just a response you get when you're experiencing high levels of stimulation from the product. It's subtractive to think a game only needs to be that and only that.

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>europe: we make games for fun!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHA

its a fake article you fat fucking retard
it's not even there if you google it

the only things that get changed are things that promote hostile behaviour from certain groups, if things get changed it's only because people like you can't behave like adults

And fifth column scum like you should get a bullet. "Always kill a traitor before an enemy"

This but unironically. There's plenty of room in the industry for games with cute girls.

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because certain groups keep kicking other groups down, mostly old crusty farts that work in the government

Seriously, why do people like this guy want to post in Yea Forums?
I mean, there are fanatics about any subject in the world, but I don't see them repeating the same shit in every videogame thread.
Why do these indoctrinated fools feel so much need to spread their gospel on a fucking game board?

See

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More lies, the only thing libtards know how to do. Most of these games are already rated 18+ or Mature or whatever the fuck yet cunts like you still try to fuck with them simply because you're puritan bastards taking the place of the old religious right. You are pure scum.

it's because evidently men can't behave like adults, I'm sorry that a few alt-right manchildren ruined your hobby

>the only things that get changed are things that promote hostile behaviour from certain groups
This is so erroneous I don't even know where to begin. Most of these changes are driven not by practical but by purely ideological considerations of screaming monkeys jerking their knees in response to just about anything. There isn't a single sensible argument in favor of reducing breast sizes of certain characters in a fucking videogame of all things. Hyper Universe got gutted and then canned because videogames with big bouncing tits promote hostile behavior from certain groups? Or maybe messing with videogames made for certain audiences is what promotes protests and creates the effect. Are you sure you're not confusing effect for the cause?

good, it seems that the good guys have steadily been gaining ground since the 70s

>ass and titties promote hostile behaviour
Get bent

no, Israel's #1 ally

Porn has unironically been banned in chunks of australia because abos kept getting so horny they would rape their children

a bullet for what? because I care about the weaker groups in society that you like to shit on?

Yea Forums has cultural influence, that's why you should partly bear the responisbility to make the world a better place

I suppose we should ban forks too because abos can use them to kill each other since they're too stupid to use them for their intended purposes. Double digit IQ monkeys and their behavior should not dictate what does and what doesn't get banned.

yet men display more and more obscene behaviour, games have cultural influence, and we have a responsibility to teach men not to rape

You can't be serious. There hardly exist any videogames that show fucking rape of all things, it's a massive taboo that would immediately receive an AO rating and on top of that be banned in majority of the countries. You're reaching all the way to the fucking moon and back.

>teach men not to rape
I'm sure the rapist will stop raping because someone tells them it's bad, surely this will solve all problems and not just piss off normal men who don't rape. What a load of fucking horseshit. And no games do not have cultural influence, the men doing the raping don't play fucking weeb titty games, they're drunk dudebro assholes you stupid cunt. I bet you're a fucking roastie as well

are you saying that male entitlement just pops out of thin air?

>men display more and more obscene behaviour
You mean the same men your kind complains no longer want to engage you, seclude themselves playing videogames and refuse to take care of the children you've had with another man? I suppose you could interpret that as "obscene".

>(((Bonnie Ruberg)))
It's all so tiresome.

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next you're going to tell me that rape is just something that magically comes over the border like it's an act of god or something stupid like that

>male entitlement
u what
Western women are the most entitles, lazy, whiny, bitching whores complaining about nonsense constantly.

Sony censored at least 19 games that were already cleared by rating boards worldwide after banning Omega Labyrinth Z last year. A few weeks ago, Sony officially confirmed that the reason for this was a policy that had been put into place thanks in part to America's #MeToo movement. This proves that liberals are, in fact, taking away and censoring niche Japanese games. If you wanted that narrative to change, then liberals should've condemned Sony's policy last month instead of greeting it with silence.

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Define "Male entitlement". I do not understand this term. A videogame has been created. It is then viciously assaulted by people that want to feel good about themselves fighting a "big bad enemy" even though they are never going to play it. The videogame gets censored. That causes the intended group to lose interest in it and boycott it as a sign of protest to such measures. Then videogame is dead and shut down. The only ones that "win" this are those that want to stick it to a specific group of people that plays those videogames because their existence upsets them. You are not righteous. You are a fucking blight. You are the definition of "stop liking things I don't like" even though they are absolutely harmless and silly. The only difference here is that people are fucking scared and cater to your demands because i't's safer that way, since you run the risk of being doxxed or have your life disturbed by your fucking ilk.

>books don't influence culture
>movies don't influence culture
>games don't influence culture
you must be retarded

Because they're neurotic control freaks who woudln't be able to feel happiness if you wired into their skulls and fired up all their dopamine directly.

Rape's been going down as access to pornography has become more available.
>teach men not to rape
While you're at it why not teach muslims not to be violent zealots. Or is it biggoted to generalize when we're talking about an ideology rather than a sex you're born with?
The absolute state of leftards.

They don't, no one rapes someone because they read a porn book.

you sound entitled

Rape is definitely not caused by videogames you imbecile.

You're just trying to justify your Peter Pan Syndrome

Keep it up and you might run out of buzzwords to apply.

Culture influences the authors of media, not the other way around nigger. A movie's cultural impact is a drop in the ocean.

>wanting my games uncensored and not fucking ruined by cunts that don't even play them is entitled

if the game normalizes rape, maybe... just maybe it has no business being sold on PSN

Which one of those games normalizes rape?

Name a single game on PSN that normalises rape

Which is why Joseph Stalin wanted to control the media, because it's fucking worthless I guess.

News media are not cultural media, and any american media would show that they are living lives without horrible state control

The fact that every game Sony censored was at least cleared by CERO proves that none of them featured any illegal or explicit content.

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it's essentially a failure of taking responsibility for the the shit they do and unwillingness to cooperate with society at large

no but they normalize and teach what behaviour is acceptable

Notice how the leftist constantly tries to change the topic or introduce new concepts to deliberately muddy the waters and make the conversation more vague

You are not making any sense and issuing vague blanket terms.

No they fucking don't and you know it. These games are 18+, played by adults that know full well they are FUCKING fantasy. You are nothing but a fascist masquerading as a socialist

>ideas only spread through the news
what?

Videogames don't teach behaviors. This is delusion. Parents and families teach behaviors. If someone had videogames inform their behavior, they've got bigger problems in life than whatever the content of those videogames might be showing.

>anime girls showing skin promotes rape
IN.WHAT.FUCKING.UNIVERSE.

0, they already removed the problematic games

>showing what life is like in a real place
>the same as obviously fake fantasy anime titties
Sure must be nice being able to reach around like that

why do you think the birth rate is falling retard?

>I can't separate reality from fiction

By his logic I'm a cop killer because I had 800 hours in Payday 2.

so western women?

>another blanket unrelated nonsensical pseudo argument
Because men aren't doing enough raping I suppose since you're so successful at preventing it with your anti videogame campaigns.

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you probably also think people told children fairy tales just for fun, and that Religion does not hold any sway on how people behave

>i-i just wanna see semi-naked underage girls, man, it's just like playing a game..........
wew

VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES PROMOTE AND NORMALIZE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS

women have joined the work force in unprecedented rates, it's not the women that are the problem you stupid sexist pig

I sure hope they do because I can't get enough of seeing you fuckers die. Warms my heart.

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Are you so mentally feeble that you don't think people can tell the difference between videogames and reality? Do you really think all the kids who play GTA are slowly learning that theft and murder are acceptable behaviors?
This shit has been disproven for over 20 years, get a new scapegoat

>underaged
>huge anime titties are pedophillic
Fuck off Jason, go write more shit about Anthem

Oh yeah? And here I was thinking it was women that gave birth, not men.

>work less hours
>want the same pay for less work
Sure thing buddy

it's becoming more and more evident that men in fact are unable to understand what behaviour is and is not acceptable in day to day life, they need all the help that they can get

You should present aforementioned evidence.

The only people that seem unable to tell fact from fiction are the people calling for censorship. The left really are the new religious right

we have this thing called parental leave, it's as if society already has the means of how to handle this shit, not that a man child like you would know

Whatever if video games stop being fun i stop playing. Modern games are trash anyways and only zoomers support trash. If i had it my way i would just murder all zoomers killing my games but we don't allow that's a shame...get aids and die.

>Think of the adults!
Fuck off

Yet they're still a net tax drain while men are net tax contributors. They also do 80% of household spending.
Funny how that works out.

people literally get thrown out of educational institutions and lose their job all the time because they can't behave, what evidence do you need?

>Israel lower than Europe, UK and fucking US

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maybe if women earned their fair share they wouldn't need all these stupid programs

Your gender is not special your nothing more than a wet hole to be used like a slave.

Hm, pretty sure they're thrown out because of witch hunts organized by people like you trying to enforce their ideologocal orthodoxy

Exactly, if they got off their fat asses and worked as hard and as long as men they wouldn't be earning less

The message that a piece of art carries can most definitely be political without the piece becoming propaganda you cultural swine

That doesn't explain the falling birth rates. And you're not making your attempts at arguing any more credible by insulting me. I'll do you a favor and answer your own question for you though.
Birth rates have fallen because we live in an unprecedented era of comfort and security, where you are no longer under the threat of being killed or maimed for espousing the wrong opinions, dyeing your hair or making weird gestures, or being disabled. People lead lives that are longer and more comfortable and at the same time desire to enjoy them for far longer. The global IQ, at least among developed nations has risen as well and more intelligent people tend to view children as complicated investments that require stability and thought, which is why they too tend to have fewer children and much later in their lives, when they're done having their own fun during their youth. We are not living in a post ww2 economy boom anymore, baby fucking boomers are not needed and will never happen again, unless ww3 hits. Understand?

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It's funny you think only men get thrown out of school.

Show me one job where male salary is higher than female salary for the same position and workload.

>people say wrongthink and our hatemobs have them removed
>but it's just them that's the problem

Women work less hours so they do get what they deserve, less money than men.
Are you saying they should be payed the same for less work you commie shit?

this is what vidya does to the male brain

>we
i'm not doing anything you walking roast beef sandwich if you think someone is going to stop because you say something is bad then prepare to be raped a lot but knowing how you're a roastie im sure you're used to cocks thrusting inside you by now

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>retards still replying to bait

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how do I know that you're not paying lipservice to the patriarchy

Even commies are not that retarded.

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And it's beautiful

Really overplaying that hand now.

>IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FUN

>JUST SHILL FOR TRANNIES AND BLACK PEOPLE AND MAKE IT ABOUT DEPRESSION

Commies unironically knew that shit was bullshit and wouldn't tolerate their nonsense at all. Loud annoying cunts like that would be among the first in the gulags.

>Birth rates have fallen because we live in an unprecedented era of comfort and security,
All that needs to be said. Successful nations implode. Family units build nations to success, then successful nations destroy the family unit. Sure there are agents invested in sabotage, but only a complacent, weak, lazy civilizations (byproducts of the ultimate success) falls for it.

Of course. Kids these days are very impressionable. Gotta get them while they're still young.

>Why Words Are No Longer The Most Important Aspect of Books

>Why Sound Is No Longer The Most Important Aspect Of Music

I honestly agree that games don't need to be "fun," but fun itself is subjective.
youtube.com/watch?v=OO_d3fwTNPo

This is a good perspective for what games can be. My problem is pretentious devs so far inside their ass they can't see the shit they're spewing from their mouth. We need more humble devs like Taro, because he can at least admit faults in his games and doesn't take himself too seriously. There's so many things you can do with video games as a medium but we close all those possibilities off because we want to have "fun."

Movie games can go fuck right off though.

If that's the case, then where is this arguement even going? If the concept of art is impossible to define, then who are you to say whether or not something is art?

Yea Forums: LOL make your own games if you don't like it

SJW: *makes own games*

Yea Forums: NOOO IT'S NOT FAIR! STOP THAT!!!!

>I honestly agree that games don't need to be "fun,"
>but fun itself is subjective.
People really think this way

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I feel like God of War 4 is an example of this. Something about that game makes it the antithesis of fun. Besides the beautiful visuals i really don’t understand the praise.

>everyone thinks the same things are fun
lol

I remembered someone dropped a pair of glasses on the floor of a gallery. People avoided it because they thought it was part of an exhibit.

There were also cases of literal trash that was part of an art exhibit that got removed by some janitor.

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>Marxism takes a deterministic approach to history

That's factually wrong, tho

>Video games teach kids to murder
>Hentai teaches kids to molest
>Judas Priest teaches kids to suicide

Lol nice try. All games are already art

>DnD teaches kids to summon demons

>someone who has never played a game in their lives
behold the irony of video game journalism

I swear the chistcucks of the 90s are teaming up with the SJWs of today to try and take down the "video games don't cause violence" argument.

I'm guessing the latter does so because if games don't make gamers violent then the argument that games cause sexism falls apart.

That's a nice theory, would be a shame if nothing in your wild conjecture actually happened.

One sane person in a sea of shit

If they were just making their own trash it wouldn't be a problem, yet they are still trying to fuck with other games at the same time

>I'm sure the rapist will stop raping because someone tells them it's bad
Rather, he wouldn't be a rapist if he had properly internalised the lesson that rape is bad. People aren't born normal, they are socialised to be normal.

>criminals that know they're doing wrong don't know they're doing wrong
What a fucking brainlet

Name one, name one single game with an obvious sjw agenda that has done well or is highly regarded by the community.

Every single social issue vehicle game has tanked hard and is hated by everyone.

>all those Drugs R Bad, Just say no shit in school
>people do tons of drugs
Yeah mate, sure that will work, just like it did with everything else like that

Fallout New Vegas.

Anti-SJWs laughed at the death of somebody I cared about, but I’m sorry you saw an article about video games as art. That must have been really hard.

>obvious sjw agenda
>f:nv
u wot, you can literally join the legion and the canon ending is house neither of which are sjw

I bet you would do the same if Trump died you hypocritical sack of sick

Lol stfu, I probably do more for people than you ever have.

>two gay companions
>can be gay yourself, can even be a black lesbian
>Legion is pretty fucking evil, as well as fascist and misogynistic, being able to join them doesn’t change that the developers clearly intended them as the bad guys

It's true, and always remember that if someone tries to tell you that video games are just entertainment, they are closet hitler.

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None of that is forced on you retard. You choose to play it that way.

having homos doesn't make something sjw, especially as they are not obnoxious and in your face about it, the fact that you can even join the legion would trigger sjws and cause a shitstorm if it was released today

>character creator is SJW
>variety of companions is SJW
>the legion is SJW by proxy
Yea Forums has reached peak contrarian

Then why do the anti-SJWs screech and ree about VTMB2 having optional pronouns that aren’t forced on you?

They don't, they ree about the devs saying the game would be political you stupid fuckwit

Pretty sure that's /pol/. They do the same whenever there's a black guy in a videogame.

I just want to jerk off and bust the fattest nut possible so I can stop having sexual desires.

The only good Republican is a dead Republican.

t. pic related

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He’s right.

Cope.

It isn't art if it's created with the intention to sway public opinion, retard, end of fuckin' story bitch. All your favorite pieces are fuckin' soulless Jewish attempts at controlling you, and they've fuckin' worked perfectly, dumb ass.

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Very tolerant and inclusive

America started with "We make games to be fun!" but then Hollywood hijacked it to be the junior form of Movies.
They even crippled it where you can't make a game without parroting their latest social justice issues.

It's up to Japan and South America to save us, now.

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t.

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The reason why this is dumb is because video games (or any entertainment medium for that matter) is a terrible means through which to induce social or political change.

In the old days political messages had to be coded in fiction because the crown and the church would actually lock your ass up or worse for openly speaking out. That kind of thing was done out of necessity, not because it was the best way to convey the message. Today if you want to change something in real life it's best to push for real life legislation or policy in plain English. Using entertainment mediums to make a point is actually the LEAST effective way to spur action.

But games are already art, user

Aka games can be psy ops to corrupt little Americans kids like in this picture

I don’t mind considering games art, but in general I try avoid the ones that take themselves seriously. For example while playing through TLoU I was rolling my eyes at every other scene and looking at the time on my phone. That shit just gets on my nerves. Like, may as well go chill at the DMV. It’s that dull to me.

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Countless classical painting and sculpture you find in museums were commissioned

>Using entertainment mediums to make a point is actually the LEAST effective way to spur action.
If your policy is "we should put little boys on hormone blockers and cut off their genitals," you have to be a little more subtle at first. When you just come out and say it, it tends to backfire.

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Didn't >she disappeared after it is known that the old guy with the MAGA hat is jewish?

>game of thrones fan
Not surprising.

HAHAHAHA all these seething retards who are crying about how games are artistic. Video games will never be art! You fucking trannies and faggots will never learn huh? Just because you develop a shitty ""deep"" novel doesn't mean you're making an artistic piece. No matter how hard you try being deep and emotional, nobody will care! Even your online friends don't care! They only pity your wasted efforts because they're too afraid to tell you to stop. You're all faggoty losers who can't actually make film because no other film company will EVER take your shit-tier story. Video games will always be about bing bing wahoos and buff dudes with guns. Stay mad!

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She got fired but she was a literally who to begin with

Absolutely BASED

Not even a nintendofag, but
>if it's not fun, why bother?

>one half of art is the representation of human emotion
This is the kind of shit people who have never made art say about art.
Art is expression in itself it doesn't have to say something it doesn't have to represent anything.

This has to be the most edgy 15 year old highschool dropout thing I have ever read in my entire life.

US has more indies, you fucking retard. US also has all the big asshole companies that mindless retards continue to buy games from like EA and Activision.

>it's so fucking easy to stop being a dick, it only takes a slight change of attitude
Then what's your excuse?

>Trying to force your piece into "Saying something"
>force
ok retard

He's right though.
Appreciation for art comes from inside, you don't have to be able to pull a message out of it in order to appreciate it.
This is why games won't ever be considered art, because developers are always trying to push some form of message or propaganda

You are such a retard holy shit, atleast finish school before arguing on shit you dont understand.

Hes not though, and you are just as stupid as he is.

Games won’t be considered art for the same reason sports aren’t considered arts

Games are games

I agree. Games are now a demonstration to Gamers that their rights can be trampled upon if they don't fight back.
I'm talking, of course, about our right to locally host their own custom games, and (if multiplayer) to connect to each-others' LAN games without needing an internet connection.
I'm also talking about our right to call out any acts of niggerdry, faggotry, roastie toastage, and jewish tricks, without having any part of the games we paid for restricted from us.
Games are being used to send that message that if Gamers don't FIGHT BACK, then our games won't be ours anymore, they'll be a tool of repression by evil overlords that want to jew you for cosmetic DLC and promote respect of women who can't even get their parry timings correct.

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It's right you know.
Graphics are more important.

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Okay user, why don't you come up with some counter points instead of just shitflinging?

Because then you can't torture other people about it when they claim not to like it
See: Gone Home

Semi-related, I actually do feel bad for men who want to be women because of the catch 22. By the time they're old enough to start HRT it's usually too late for them to be passable as women. And to be passable they'd have to start HRT at a stupidly young age where there are tons of ethical concerns.

what is wrong with these fucking morons...

This

Here comes the west to again repeat the 1970s/1980s crash. Taking the fun out of a game just like the past. History repeats. Western games are not FUN nor engaging. Its up to the asians to again save gaming, just like history dictates.

> argues completely through ad hominem
Ohh yikes lmao what a fuckin' pathetic little faggot.

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>choose your next reply wisely >:)
I bet that's the new janitor

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I skip every single cutscenes there is in, if the game is not fun dropped
>unskippable cutscenes
insta dropped

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someone please nuke all coastal cities. they don't deserve to be a part of the US

WEEEEH I'M POWERFUL, REALLY U GAIS!!1! mentality

What's the purpose of art if not to entertain? What satisfaction is there to be had from producing something of value and then withholding it from third-party consumption and valuation?

Why skip cutscenes? Some vidya stories and good.

They know that others disapprove, they know they are breaking a law, they know there will be consequences if they are caught, but that is not the same as understanding that it is morally wrong.
Clearly those programmes failed to teach that doing drugs is wrong, wouldn't you agree?

>Europe: "We make games to be fun, too!"
found the eurotard

>understanding it's morally wrong
Morals are subjective according to your own marxist nonsense, also they don't give a shit about morals they are literally sociopaths.

Obviously they failed, because no one listens to people who tell you something is wrong, people and teachers are full of shit and the kids know it. All your "all men are rapists" "teach men not to rape" horseshit serves to do is piss off normal men who get offended by it and does nothing to impact the ones that do the crimes. If ineffectual bitching from whiny cunts to people that aren't guilty

Those aren't rights and games were never yours

>there are people who genuinely beleive that some pieces of media carry no ulterior motive

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so pretentious garbage sells better today thanks to brainwashed SJW normies and you also get to come across as virtuous, I get it

Exactly, which is why we must always fight against oppressive puritan feminists and their white knight cuck brigade

Meanwhile the most grossing games in the world are mobile gacha trash selling you PNGs of big-titted waifus.

>Morals are subjective according to your own marxist nonsense
You're bringing irrelevant assumptions into the conversation. Disregarded.
>also they don't give a shit about morals they are literally sociopaths.
Are you suggesting every rapist was born to be a rapist?
>Obviously they failed, because no one listens to people who tell you something is wrong
Not if you do it right and can explain why something is wrong. At least, if the kids aren't sociopaths. Are all the kids who are doing drugs despite being told not to in school sociopaths?
>All your "all men are rapists" "teach men not to rape" horseshit serves to do is piss off normal men who get offended by it and does nothing to impact the ones that do the crimes.
Why get offended if you have, in fact, been taught not to rape? Shouldn't you be able to recognise this failure of the system to properly socialise others the way you were? Seems a little overly defensive.

This is all a load of socjus doublespeak and sophistry, some people are just born bad. Badly coded dna causing wrong proteins in their brain, plenty of serial killers lived happy family lives yet were utter monsters. Teaching people to be good is a crock of shit and you are just a brainwashed moron. Telling men that don't rape that they shouldn't rape pisses them off because it comes across as telling them that THEY are rapist you fucking roastic cunt, if we were to have a class for women teaching them not to rape young boys would you find that acceptable? I bet you wouldn't because you're a lying sack of shit trying to twist words and misrepresent your opponents like all socialists. You are every bit as bad as the National Socialists you call everyone else. Fuck off back to resetera

Nobody replays a game because it has an important social message.

>This is all a load of socjus doublespeak and sophistry, some people are just born bad.
And most people aren't. If you're going to dismiss criminals as just fundamentally different and broken people who can't be changed, you are going to miss a lot of opportunities to address the problems at their source. Believe it or not, but morality IS taught, not innate. So unless you believe that the incidence of sociopathy is many times greater than hitherto suspected, you must admit that there's a failure to properly integrate people in society.

Please calm down, stop being so emotional, and respond rationally to the arguments I am actually making. You came up with like five on your own that I never even came close to mentioning.

Where are the classes for female teachers about not raping young boys?

Do you believe them necessary?

If men have to sit through this feminist horseshit, then so should women.

Sure, put them all in the same class. Problem solved.

KILL YOURSELF EURO FAGGOT

>put them all in the same class where some ugly dyed haired landwhale talks about how men are evil for two hours and how women can do no wrong
No, they have to have the most patronising, offensive moralising asshole to teach them like toddlers. They will have this shit forced on them just as men do.

Yea Forumsirgins used to say this years and years ago.

But being scared/miserable/mad whatever is still "fun" as long as the game is good. Immersion is fun.

They're right that video games don't have to be "fun". Just like a game of golf or chess or whatever, they can be quite difficult and stressful
Playing the original Metroid, especially without a guide, is more of an ordeal than it is fun. I love it for the experience and feelings it gave me, but it could just be a ball-ache to play
The idea that games have to just be "enjoyed" probably lead to the AAA cinematic epics so popular nowadays. There's no challenge, nothing that could potentially frustrate a player

And games can be political and still be good games. A classic game like Monopoly was originally made with political intent. Papers Please obviously had some sort of political message.

If there was an SJW game that made its point in a really brilliant way that only the games medium can, I would probably like it. Sadly I don't think it can happen

I literally just said put them in the same class as the men, and that's not good enough for you? I personally don't think anything bad could ever happen from teaching people about consent. I don't see what else you could possibly want from me. Let this tangent go and respond to basically anything I've said already.

If its not fun, why bother?

These classes don't talk about consent, they vilify men and do nothing else because the ones teaching them are marxist feminist filth.

That post about "rape" says it perfectly where they were both drunk but somehow only the woman can't give consent, despite by their own logic she also raped him because he was also drunk.

Could you please leave your emotions out of this? You're impossible to reason with like this. This isn't about your feelings, or your irrational tendency to label things "Marxist" just because they upset you.
>That post about "rape" says it perfectly where they were both drunk but somehow only the woman can't give consent, despite by their own logic she also raped him because he was also drunk.
You mean the one that's explaining to men that the law is against them and women will accuse them of rape for no reason so they better watch out? Yeah, I hardly think that was a feminist poster.

Why can't I find this article

This one

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Yes, I did correctly identify it.

I notice that despite my repeated insistence that you at least try to respond to even a single one of my points you are instead content to push whatever unrelated tangent pops into your head. That doesn't provide a lot of incentive for me to keep engaging with you.

Yet you are still replying, I've only ever seen feminists praise this trash although
>You mean the one that's explaining to men that the law is against them and women will accuse them of rape for no reason so they better watch out?
certainly rings true, plenty of cases in the news about false accusers causing real damage lately.

as long as profit is the most important metric for developers, videogames will never be art

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thread should have ended here

I don't play western games so I don't care.

>Yet you are still replying
Yes, for the last time, though, because you are terminally dishonest and only interested in pushing your own talking points without ever engaging with points made by the opposition. I'm sure you'll have something to say about my failure to address your final point even though you're not responding to any of mine and we're on a ridiculous tangent to begin with.

Yeah, that's a pretty solid opinion.

>Movie games can fuck right off
I think even they have their place, same with walking sims and shit. The medium of interactive virtual entertainment lends itself to endless possibilities, as you said.
I would concede that maybe we shouldn't call them "videogames" but that's mostly semantics.

I'm glad that I wasted your time

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He's not though. Holding W is still interaction and those games are still games. They're just minimalistic games.

THE BROTHERMAN BILL IS A BROTHER LIVING AT THE TOP OF THE HILL

I actively avoid women, though.

This is obtuse though. Nobody would describe Titanic as a "fun movie" though. "fun movies" are like capeshit and stuff. Not actual kino. yet some reason simpletons here defend "fun games' as the only real game.
Pretty much this
Lmao if you want to play a game, play monopoly lmao, no need to use a tv or monitor, those are for visual story telling.

But Papers Please is fun

>WTF BUT I WAS FORCED AT GUNPOINT TO WATCH A SHITTY POWERPOINT AND POST IT ALL OVER Yea Forums!!

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VIDEO GAMES HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON HUMAN CULTURE AND IN NO WAY CHANGE HUMAN BEHAVIOR AS A RESULT OF CONSUMPTION

THERES NO SUCH THING AS PROPAGANDA