It's May 1st

Start learning Japanese

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it was worth it desu
very satisfying

no, unless you have like godlike memory. it would take you at least 2 years just to read

>normals still don't get that direct translations would mostly look like mumbled slang, half-sentences and stupid observations

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You can get all the kana (alphabet) down in a week and from then on it's just grammar and vocabulary.

I started learning hiragana for a day then I just said fuck it beause I didn't feel like doing it anymore. I am learning french instead.

All the French will be speaking Arabic in 5 years, kind of a waste unless you're going to Canada.

>so I can be a trap
based user

I got along to learning it after some time and had the whole alphabet learned and all and getting vocab, and then found out that there's a whole fucking other form of the language that's two and a half times more difficult and used more often, and that all the time and effort I'd spent was to learn basically a retard's version of the language.

I am right now actually I'm working on explanatory particles. Now to leave Yea Forums to study.

>before the end of the year.

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>learning a literal dying language

French is going to die faster than moonrunes user.

wtf are you referring to, another version of the language? I'm familiar with dialects and different accents but I'm not familiar with a second version. What are you even saying?

>I am learning french instead.
based retard

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No thanks, I like my games being in English.

of course, english is the only language you know

No, it isn't.

join NEET master race

Katakana I think it was? I did hiranaga and then it was basically "Now are you ready for the REAL stuff?" and not only was it like a much longer alphabet, but also the script itself was much more complex looking.

I feel like I've fucked up.
I''ve somehow restarted RTK 3 times after reaching around 800 each time because I always pile more work than I can handle or lose motivation.
Should I just grab a regular book to actually learn grammar and vocab and just pull up a dictionary for whenever I don't understand a kanji? RTK grinding might not work for me unless I really slowdown my momentum.

I already give up.

t. Mohammed bin Baguette

Ah I see where my confusion came from. An alphabet is not a language. An alphabet is just a representation, Japanese has 3 alphabets, when you said there's another version of Japanese I thought you meant like Kansai dialect or something or some sort of secret second Japanese language. There is only one Japanese language, different dialects, but 1 language, and 3 alphabets.

RTK is just for the kanji. Read a grammar guide like Tae Kim's like you should have done already.

>He doesn't know about the secret second Japanese language

>he doesn't know that the Japanese are one of the Lost Tribes of Israel

how do I start? I was recommended duolingo but I hear that it's a meme

itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html

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it is a meme. you really have to go around and try what works for you. whether you are a class oriented, self study, or prefer gamification study like duolingo or wanikani.

But the Jews fear the samurai

I want to learn moonspeak but can you learn it on your own? because I live in bumfuck nowhere and japanese teachers here are nonexistent

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I have studied vocabulary for a few years with anki, but I am terrible at it, progress is really slow and my stats are bad. I've barely studied any grammar because keeping up with anki and being a wageslave is enough. It seems I really did everything wrong.

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I actually started yesterday, I'm following along with the link from /djt/ but I have no idea how I'm expected to learn all the Hiragana in one week. I'm going to try to stick with it but I'm not expecting to be able to do more than read Yotsuba by the end of the year.

>he thinks im smart enough to learn a language
i play videogames because they are braindead easy.

good luck to you guys though

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I've been studying on and off for the last decade and I'm still at entry level. I am the king dekinai

>barely studied grammar
>all those reviews
>can't read
you fucked up HARD

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Hiragana/katakana is the easy part, just use djtguide.neocities.org/kana/index.html .
Good luck with kanji and vocab though, you'll need it.

japanese is actually a waste of time to learn if you already know english

-rob "Gaijin-sama"

Watashi wa user desu

I was using that resource, I'm just not remembering anything. Maybe after a few more sessions it will stick in my head, I've been out of education for a while now so my brain's probably just taking a while to "turn on". With regards to kanji I'm thinking I'll do it by learning the radicals, learning why each symbol looks as it does will probably help me remember them better than just trying to memorise each letter like with hiragana.

>3 fucking different ways to write something
>complex as fuck runes that would drive an ancient norse viking berserk
2 nukes weren't enough. Why don't they streamline this shit? To keep shitty gaijin out?

Finished Genki II. Probably should start reading and playing games in Japanese now. Any recommendations besides Pokemon and Animal Crossing?

Recommend me some Japanese leftist literature or manga in honor of May Day then OP.

@460563561
literally any fucking game that interest you.

I played dragon quest 5 in japanese. would recommend.

Why are ESLs so retarded?

>tfw shit memory

I tried learning japanese but gave up because I couldn't memorize the vocabulary. My anki stats were way worse than . I decided that it was useless to learn a language that you can't learn naturally through daily use.

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>learning new alphabet, grammar and pronounciation
Nigga I'm a brainlet and already have enough problems with my own grammar.

It's actually better if you do
alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/all-japanese-all-the-time-ajatt-how-to-learn-japanese-on-your-own-having-fun-and-to-fluency/
read through this in a day or two and you'll know how

Do native Japanese speakers/writers ever get put off by foreigners learning their language just to enjoy their porn

>alphabet
hahahahahahahahahaha

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ditch anki for something else

French will be a booming language in some years. Not as much as english, for sure, but a whole lot more than Japanese.
If you plan to work in the international scene, best languages to learn are Chinese and French

>Chinese
I've read the image enough times not to fall for this.

Some hate filthly gajin trying to read/play their games.
I remember a Ragnarok hentai game had a roadblock in form of a grammar puzzle or something in it.

aren't there more french speakers in africa than france itself at this point

this. its a supplementary tool not the primary source for learning. start reading manga with furigana and throw all the kanji you dont know through jisho.org. and review genki/tae kims guide when you come accross constructs that elude you.

i started learning about 2 weeks ago actually, i'm still learning hiragana

>Chinese
loooooool

It's so fucking hard, I might buy a textbook. Duolingo isn't cutting it, sensei.

>he took less than 12.53 seconds to learn hiragana

ngmi

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>2 weeks.
>Still on Hiragana.

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>less
more*

fuck I'm retarded

>Only 2,6K matures
>Core 6 k
Drop the meme 6k deck, it's clearly not working for you. Delete everything that isn't mature already and start reading shit. Only add words from shit that you are reading. You're dedication is pretty admirable so I'll give you one for free, 畑水練.

Yup, and people are investing in Africa right now, which is why Chinese and French are the best languages to learn at the moment.
Of course, everybody saw THAT picture, and you probably shouldn't learn Chinese if you don't want to work with the ant people.

yeah i'm kinda doing it on and off, i'm just taking my time with it though

>people are investing in Africa right now
>now

but african countries are shitholes, the only thing they have going is resource extraction, they aren't even advanced enough to manufacture plastic shit like asians are

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Started last November, I'm making slow progress because I don't have a lot of free time.
Being able to understand simple sentences I see online is cool

>THAT picture
Post it.

I only want to do one thing in regards to learning moon. I want to play my favorite game, Final Fantasy Tactics, in Japanese. Theoretically I have just lost my job and can dedicate all day to learning the language. As long as I'm somewhat consistent how fast could I accomplish this task?

Maybe I'm learning Japanese because it's a beautiful language and I like their media and culture.

Chinks are ants and the French won't exist in a century.

>untranslated gems
They are so niche that even Gooks themselves don't play them.

>scp3127.jpg

Why's this bitch eyes so far apart?

I can't I just can't

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My audio lessons are getting easier. I'm gonna make it!

I've recently been more motivated to help myself so I wanted to start picking it up when I get the time later this week, same with drawing and exercising. Just things I keep saying I'll do one day and never actually doing them, need to pull a Shia LaBeouf and just do it or they'll never be done.

Because you can't learn japanese

more than a year minimum

But I've already lived in this god forsaken country for almost a decade and can speak quite fluently.

>no kanji

you're still basically illiterate with just kana

But I'm already practicing my Japanese. I just need a bit more studying before I can start playing animal crossing in Japanese again. My weak spot right now is vocabulary by far.

i did the first several lessons of duolingo to learn hiragana/katakana and it worked great. past that it's kind of useless, but if you're having trouble getting started it's pretty good for that

Anki is an accessory to learning a language. Get a textbook next time. Anki isn't structured and it's hard to find learn words in the void.

>retards do nothing but grind anki
>wonder why they can't learn the language

What makes you stay here? For me it's the cheap and easy food/drinking and un ironically the fucking anime and doujin events

this. you MUST learn at least 2000 Kanji to be literate in Japanese. however there is some pattern to them, they're not all unique characters, and you will have to learn much much less Kanji than vocabulary anyway.

Work. I have a nice cushy job at a Tokyo office of a huge multinational. Also, I like how clean and safe everything is. couldn't care less about all the weeb bullshit though

I guess ankidrone isn't a meme afterall.

Sorry bro you totally wasted those years

ITS BEEN OVER A YEAR ALREADY
BUT I FINALLY UNDERSTAND SOME THINGS WITHOUT HAVING TO READ SUBTITLES
WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT

俺は国で元々田舎者だったから都内で生活ってのは本当に嫌になちゃったが、東京から離れたら=イベントに行けなくなるのでどうすればいいか分からない。建前なんて本当嫌い。関西でも良いかなー

yeah i started learning kanji about a month ago and it's not nearly as bad as it seems once you realize how radicals work

Any group environments to practice talking in Japanese to another person? I'm heading back to Japan in November and I want to be a bit more useful than I was last time I went to Japan.

I also want to tell off old Japanese men who get on my shit for being a fat weeb. This happened twice before and I want to have an answer for it.

>I also want to tell off old Japanese men who get on my shit for being a fat weeb. This happened twice before and I want to have an answer for it.

Story. They frankly have no right to bitch about shit when they're arguably the worst offenders about all of this.

Any group environments to practice talking in Japanese to another person?
like a classroom? lol.

>fat weeb
>i am heading back to japan
You leaving in may, right?

If you're that much of a weeb, please just unironically kys. People like you make associating with any sort of expats here such a fucking russian roulette.

say shitsureimasu and give a quick bow. japs get confused when foreigners play into their circus etiquette.

Lose weight.

french people are getting replaced
in 2007 88% of people in france spoke french
it's much less now
you should learn arabic

>I also want to tell off old Japanese men who get on my shit for being a fat weeb
How about you stop being a fat weeb?

And you do this without pulling out your meishi? Get the hell out.

お前こそkys. There's frankly no other reason to come to this 3rd shithole, having lived in other 3rd world shitholes myself. I hide my power level except from my other nerd friends here obviously, and this is fucking Yea Forums, not Hub. Go be a filthy normalfaggot elsewhere

No. It takes 4 years minimum to be fluent in a language.
People who say they can "speak" japanese just understand Kana and Hiragana.

It's not wasted time but it's not efficient. Learning vocabulary without context or stimulation is very inefficient. You should use Anki as a complement to proper learning, not as the main tool.

When you have some time get very basic Japanese texts (with furigana) and try reading that. You also obviously need to learn basic grammar. Learning vocab for the sake of learning vocab won't get you anywhere, nobody learns languages that way. Our brains don't work like that, we need to make connections between words, concepts and experiences. You can memorize an entire Japanese dictionary and you still won't be able to use the language in any way.

Clearly you have discipline if you kept at it all this time despite the frustration. Keep that but change the way you study. Find something that works for you.

God the Hub is such a shit place. Faggots are always trying to drag me there. Fucking garbage hole.

Any easy to read VNs with no Kanji?

One guy in the changing room of an onsen asked me to step on a scale. I weighed around 108kg at the time, which is definitely still overweight at 6'3". He then gets on the scale, weighs something like 60kg while standing a foot shorter than me, then motions to my stomach and starts razzing me.

This same guy before I got on the scale also asked if I was Russian or American, and I tried my best to say my mom was Russian but my dad was American even though I'm some 4th / 5th generation American. He told me he could tell I was Russian because of my eyes. I'm not so hurt about this guy, because he seemed pretty friendly otherwise and it was all banter.

The other guy bugged outside of Ueno station in Tokyo where I got a Gacha for a friend back home. He goes on a trade in Japanese asking if I really spent money on this shot, talking about how kids beg their "Oneesans" for money to turn and turn out more Gacha.

I've gotten down to as low as 200lbs, which would definitely leave less room for heckling. Don't know about being any less of a weeb, though I appreciate the advice

>There's frankly no other reason to come to this 3rd shithole
Clearly you have not lived in actual 3rd world shitholes if you say this

>Go be a filthy normalfaggot elsewhere
Yea Forums has been a normalfag board for years, gtfo back to Yea Forums and stay there please

Why the are there so many dekinai threads lately?

lol

It's a cheap watering hole. At least the beer is not as disgusting as in other similarily priced chains.

Honestly, should've just told him to fuck off in English. "Fuck off kuso jiji" to that last guy. You were in fucking Ueno of all fucking places, getting gacha shit, one of the most touristy things you could do. Who gives a fuck what you spend money on. As for being fat, well, Japs aren't usually fat, so they're not afraid of being vocal about that. Maybe try not being fat next time.

It took about 6 months for me to have near complete comprehension of the things that I wanted to read. Said things were Japanese fancomics and Nintendo manga/novels, so YMMV

Tan Men Square Massacre

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>RTK
i’m sorry to tell you this, but you got memed

The reason all of you will fail (every single one) is that playing shitty video games that are too bad receive proper translations is an awful motivation.

If you’re going to use the duolingo format at least go for lingodeer

How much time would it take studying Japanese to be able to translate a game? For both a simpler game like Starfy or Puyo Puyo, as well as a more complex game like an RPG? Asking for a friend.

>cheap watering hole
So are many places that are nowhere near as shit you fucking hairy expat.

RTK is a really good way to get your kanji organized instead of throwing yourself into the choatic blackhole of random kanji learning based on grade or popularity.

Would using a furigana with a game work as well? I.E. if I wanted to play Pokemon in Japanese would that work as well?

i'm planning on it this summer, i haven't considered it seriously until now
/djt/ here i come

I'll remember that for my next trip.

I'm looking forward to walking 10+ miles each day again! Though I have a good six months to shape up beforehand

It’s pain incarnate, if you want to read kids stuff just read something with furigana over every Kanji

>I always pile more work than I can handle or lose motivation.
this is what kills every beginner. pick up a anki core deck then use it to hear the vocab and being used in a sentence. Try to read it without translation assistance. if you can't decipher the sentence then you know you lack some grammar and you should read up on it.

forget all those meme systems it's a beginners trap to rope you into a single learning tool

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I'm dumb and lazy, can't learn shit.

You can become fluent in about 18 months. But you will see great progress in a short time and be able to read manga, barely needing to look in the dictionary, in like 6 months. There are some people that did it. It's called AJATT. Some people don't like the site this user posted , there are a lot of videos on youtube about how to do it and showing some progress.

You can do it!

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Why would they hate others playing their games?

It's Reiwa-Gannen and you're still a sub-N5 insect? Why?

Because i am a Showa boy. Fuck off, Reiwa zoomer.

how much time an effort does it take to learn?

The vehicle ahead is too slow?

You're probably best off just learning the primitives and applying the RTK method to whatever kanji shows up in your grammar studies.

>post-taisho
>trying to act hard

shouldn't you be jerking off to city pop right now, boy?

Ew, a Taisho boomer. hurry up and drop dead so someone more capable can handle your station.

A shit load of effort.

Ironically I'm returning to my language exchange club today.
頑張る〜

>romaji
いいな、平和ボケ。

You have to have the dicipline to handle self-learning and seeking out native material on your own.

Too much effort for little gain. Learning any language just to play video games is probably one of the biggest wastes of time in existence.

If you think about applying it for real life things - Japan is a dying nation. Culturally and statistically.

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Imagine getting upset about people laughing at you for being a fat tub of lard, and buying children's toys for your "friends".

Tourists are straight scum, but at least you aren't as bad as ex-pats. What's saddest is that you think there's any possible way you could justify your behaviour.

Can someone explain to me how is someone who's self learning, alone, supposed to learn speaking/pronunciation of words?

It's totally doable to understand grammar, hammer in all vocab/kanji, learn to read and write. But speaking in a vacuum of self learning? There's no way to check if how you're saying things is correct

is this something you can do in tandem with the /jp/ way or should you just stick with one or the other?

U can do video calls with Japanese English learners and they will help.

A I U E O
there's only one way to pronounce everything, you mutt.

If you don't sound like those youtube teaching videos you're doing it wrong.

>discipline
Learning a language doesn't require discipline, it requires habit forming, which is something any fucking retard can do.

Pronunciation is fucking easy. Accent elimination and sentence production? Those are more difficult, and require a lot of time working on those skills, but people aren't fucking deaf. I can hear when I mispronounce something, any foreigner can, it's just inexperience with the mouth movements.

Fuck off 料理 is annoying to pronounce.

It pisses me off when burgers pronounce Karaoke as カリヨウキー

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>hundreds

A I U E O
If you can pronounce them, you can pronounce anything.

Where does this stupid fucking girl come from anyway

>Chinese
my nig
>French
fine too

From your worst nightmares

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Do you also get upset when nips pronounce literally 99% of their English loan words wrong?

yes.

pronounciation is the easiest thing and you should never need to practice it

Post vocaroo of 料理

You really should let that one go. It's too ingrained here to call it anything else.

It's May 1st
A perfect day to start learning Russian and read all those untranslated classic novels before the end of year

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Based old Jap BTFOing fat weeb piggu

I thought I was on vr for a second because of the autist who keeps bragging about how much moon language she knows

I'm fine. I already learned enough Japanese to play any game I want. And then I moved to Japan.

Now I'm worried about you subhuman faggots coming in and ruining it.

americans pronounce it as ケリヨキー tho

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anyway, only mutts can't pronounce foreign shit and you should learn how to say A I U E O first.

That's even worse, then.

>instead of learning Kanji learn contrived mnemonics to make learning Kanji easier when you go to actually learn them

vocaroo.com/i/s1KBqfTlom53
Wow, so difficult.

>move to Japan as non-Japanese to ruin their country
>then try to treat it like your secret club and like you're the special gaijin and start freaking out at the idea of other gaijin moving there

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lose weight and stop looking weeby

Learning on your own is very efficient.

Sounded like yo-ri.
You missed the first sound.

なんだその上から目線
Yea Forumsを使って癖に。。。

>Now I'm worried about you subhuman faggots coming in and ruining it.
Weebs really have no self awarenesses huh

>supposed to learn speaking/pronunciation of words
A what? You just say what you read? There isn't any bullshit like "awkward" in english.

That specific gacha was unironically for a friend, I shit you not. I already bought mine across several other machines in Japan and didn't get harassed until I bought from this one.

The fat one is just funny to me. I wasn't prepared for someone to call me out on my weight while I was in my underwear, ready to head into the onsen, but I can appreciate the old guy's humor

>untranslated classic novels
Everything worth reading's been translated though

Unlike you, I'm not an American pig or a Chinese bug, so I can live here fine.

Is that how you cope? sure, then.

Where do you think we are?

Both are pretty good, the /djt/ method put a lot of emphasis on reading, a lot of reading. AJATT does too, but it also encourages you to listen all the time japanese audio, specially those that you are already familiar, like and episode of an anime you alread watched, because you will have and easier time understanding and processing what you're hearing. It also puts an emphasis on total immersion, like switching quickly from a EN-JP dictionary to a monolingual one (JP-JP).
You can always adapt to what you feel more confortable, at the end of the day both will lead you to fluency, but I think the immersion really helps

I didn't had a good counterpart to OP
But i still want to read Tolstoi on original text

The lack of self-awareness from invaders is startling.

I have nothing but respect for my fellow anons who learn the language to fap, and maybe occasionally talk in a fucking nico stream or even hang out with natives in fucking skype or discord if you're a social whore. And I have nothing but the utmost contempt for people who move to Japan, as if one more whitey is somehow any better than one more indian or something. The absolute hubris you need to consider your presence as a positive is astounding. Fuck ex-pats, fuck immigrants, Japan is for the Japanese.

tell me one good reason why japs are still cucking their alphabet with ten thousand bug marks

>使って癖に
>。。。

cope with what, exactly?

>I'm not the bad type of gaijin, I'm the good type of gaijin!
I like how you assume I'm a seppo because I think you're a faggot. Post your coinslot eye or you're just as subhuman as any other gaijin.

Alright. Sell me on it fampai, what is the best way to start.

It's still an efficient way to convey a dense amount of information in far fewer characters over the romance languages

I just want to read japanese. Where should I start learning ?

I'll start learning japanese when it adds spaces

The fact you think it matters that this particular manchild activity was for the sake of someone else just shows how delusional you are.

The standard response to being laughed at in the street for playing with children's toys is some kind of humility, but for some reason you're trying to justify being a manchild.

And obviously the fat comment bothered you, or you wouldn't be posting about it. It's laughable that you think you're anywhere close to a healthy weight, and if more people today were like that old man, maybe you would've put down the twinkies a fucking while ago.

hiragana

I essentially want to know enough so that I can not be a retarded gaijin if I visit. Basically if my shit's fucked I can get back home safe and sound. Also enough to be able to covered with shopkeepers.

Just English is fine then.

>muh tradition
That's literally what it is. Japs will pay thousands for some shitty object that generations of one family made by hand, instead of buying a cheap factory made stuff. Even if they are the same quality.

I appreciate your frankness, pal

i said good reason, other than saving trees they already ruin for chopsticks because forks are evil

>with shopkeepers
>kore, sore, are
And hands. Bam, able to buy everything.

The sounds are actually correct even though it's very japanized. An english speaker could recognize an english word in japanese. Burgers just can't pronounce shit.

If you're going to Tokyo then you're never going to encounter anything but a bit of broken English anyway.

There is no point learning a fucking language for the sake of tourism. Shopkeepers in every non-english-speaking country absolutely fucking despise the lazy, guide book using retards who try and stumble through some cliched greeting, and they have to smile through gritted teeth as the EOP attempts to impress their travelling companions with an "understanding" of the language.

You are going to be a retarded gaijin. A brief crash course in Japanese is not going to prevent that.

They're generally just retards that enjoy getting attention because they're white and Japanese people are generally polite and curious about you. It makes them get a complex where they think they're special and they start thinking their a main character of one of their Japanese animes. It's truly fucking bizarre seeing non Japanese people of all colors and variants posting about how they're afraid of a ton of non Japanese people coming in, and yet they can't look in the fucking mirror. The narcissism of expats/immigrants is just fucking amazing, though that's not something that's specific to Japan. Non whites across the west act the same way.

Why does she look so dead and soulless?

"What is all anime dialogue?" for one hundred dollars Ken.

She killed millions

>Didn't even make it to kanji
>Calling it an alphabet
Fucking retard, don't breed

Your salt levels are truly amazing. But at least I know you won't be coming. That makes me happy.

You guys have any good books/novels to recommend, or do you all just read Manga and watch Anime

>Non whites across the west act the same way.
I can understand it from 3rd generation immigrants who are rightfully angry that they're being compared to third worlders because of their skin color. I feel bad for the way some halfs and quarters are treated in Japan because of racial purity.

What I can't stand are ex-pats, especially whites with a saviour complex.

Alright. I'll start if I get a single reply to this.

もうわかるだが意味がない
Everything good is already translated or getting translated. I guess there are some exceptions for porn games, though.

In context probably means something like
>The car in front of me is too slow

(^:

The Tatami Galaxy, NHK Ni Youkoso, Battle Royale although have anime/movie adaptations are still to me very good novels and i prefer them to the adaptations
Light Novels are cool tho if you don't take them much seriously

Sure you will

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皆さんわ凄くバカです。

I've passed the lowest level test and that's enough for me. Plus I can speak well enough that I've never been lost traveling there alone.

How do I disable translations?

もう少し頑張ってください。

What the fuck is a ex-pat?

Duolingo is for pussies, learn through real books

I like how you didn't post your eye. You are ruining Japan just as much as the other retards that look just like you will. You aren't special and you aren't "one of the good ones". Post your eye, faggot.

>わ
>凄く
>です
お前も、だな。

始めよう

こにちは目名さん私わ名前わlokaさん。皆頑張ってね。日本がわ凄く売る絵師ととても難し。でもおっぱいdesu..

デスでありますですねかばかうぐう

なら、ここで試して見ようか

Based old man, get fucked fatty

I never implied I'm Asian, you fat weeaboo. I'm from Europe. And I'm happy you're not here and won't be here,

In all seriousness how much studying would someone need? Lets say for example someone studies 8 hours a week. How long would it realistically take to be able to play vidya and read books and shit?

>I'm from Europe.
Anyone who says this shit is always a fucking shitskin.

I honestly hope you're dragged out into the street and beaten to death.

Hey moot, please get me a job at Google. I'm located in Kanagawa. I will kill for you and suck your dick too. You wont regret this.

If Kanji's the hardest part of Japanese, then would it be worthwhile to learn Chinese first and then pick up Japanese after you've mastered the writing at least. From what I've heard Chinese grammar is a breeze to understand, so I should be able to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

>broken japanese
>doesnt even know kana
>still able to play dqx and talk to dqx players
feels good man

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>I'm from Europe

Probably brazillian with portuguese ancestry

Chinese grammar is indeed a breeze. Everything else, however, isn't. Japanese is easier.

So how hard is it to learn German, I'm thinking about doing a study exchange there

A friend of mine is learning. He was telling me a few facts about learning. How much of it is bullshit?
>3 months minimal to learn Kana
>8 months to learn grammar
>You can't use any media aside from textbooks to learn or you will ruin your Japanese permanently
>You need N1 level to play Pokemon and/or Dragon Quest
>Kanji will never come easily to an American. Regardless of immersion or length of study.

>I'm from Europe
So am I? How does this change anything you fucking moron? You're not Japanese and thus you don't belong in Japan. Post your eye.

Hey, that's not a bad idea. To learn japanese through mmo, i did that with english. Although, it probably won't work now that my brain doesn't work like a sponge anymore.
Anyway, what are some good jap mmos?

Hey I know you.

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I think your friend doesn't exist and you are fishing for yous.

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All of it. You can learn kana in a day, grammar in a week, using textbooks is a terrible idea past your first week unless it's solely as reference, Pokemon and DraQue are like N2 at absolute max and can easily be handled at N3, and kanji aren't a problem if you just fucking read more.

>He doesn't go on /r/learnjapanese
They say shit about not using media all the time.

Do games use kana and gana more or the kanji?

>N1 level
What does this mean

months minimal to learn Kana
Is he literally retarded? I took about two weeks and even that was pretty slow.
months to learn grammar
Eh, the grammar is actually pretty easy as long as you practice
>>You can't use any media aside from textbooks to learn or you will ruin your Japanese permanently
Why would you think this? Exposure to actually Japanese is very important to learn the language.
>>You need N1 level to play Pokemon and/or Dragon Quest
Don't actually know about this one, haven't bothered with the JLPT yet, pretty sure it's bullshit though
>Kanji will never come easily to an American. Regardless of immersion or length of study.
Tru

Highest level in the JLPT test. Basically passing that means you're fluent.

I'm gonna try and read this after completing genki 1 and watching anime for 8 years.

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>4000 words
>up to n3 grammar knowledge
>lessons 3 times a week
its comfy as hell lads, i'm able to read manga at a steady pace with the occasional dictionary help and its fucking great, been at it for a year next month.
we all gonna make it

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nice to see you shitpost on Yea Forums as well user

Is that fucking Kandar?

jlpt n1 equates to about B2 and that's only input. N1 is nowhere near fluency but it's definitely means you -should- be able to understand everything you read.

outline your study methods from begginer up to now. right now im using genki, jpn classes, japanesepod, and speaking with natives on twitter

>passing N1 means you’re fluent
O im laffin

I want to start. What's a good starting point after Kana?

With all fairness, i don't think western women are much wifferent

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Tae Kim -> RTK -> Genki

grammer and kanji
starting reading actual stuff as well like yotsuba

If I just wanna play Jap games and not much else, where do I start? Do games even use Kanji?

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I just don't understand the order in which I am supposed to learn. I want to learn, I just don't have a pathway, so to speak. I understand I should learn Hiragana and Katakana first, but then what (and where from)?

Reaching N3 level is peak comfy, it’s at that point when you can easily figure out words from context
>when you reach N2 and gain the ability to read the news without issues
We’re going to make it bros

>Do games even use Kanji?
yes

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It's easy enough for someone who never read gook before, but it's also so fucking dull. I'd recommend 妹ペット ~repure~ instead as your first gook VN. Almost every line there is voiced so it's easier to understand, and there's the added benefit of shagging your loli imoutos rather than just having some yuri cocktease.

>common knowledge in the porn industry

>Finally pass N1
>Breaking news: New technology allows you to download languages into your brain
>You no longer need to study. All languages can be instantly learned

drill the kanas first
learn vocabulary
learn grammar
start listening/playing the things you want and take notes on what you need to learn

Of course. Some games have furigana though.

>learn vocabulary

As in Kanji? Sorry, I have no idea. And what books would you recommend for this step?

I don't get this. So I know the kana but I'm trying to practice knowing how to write them. I can to the last 4 rows easily but after that it feels like a wall.

How can I learn a hard language...

I CANT EVEN PRACTICR DRAWING FOR 30 MINUTES A DAY, HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO LEARN JAPANESE

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/djt/ is a cancerous shithole full of discordfags. You might as well go to reddit.

Fucking hell, the reason I like Japan is flat women with long black hair. At least they'll stay in eroge I guess.

What's the best Dragon Quest game to jump into Japanese with?

kanji is just a tool to make sentences shorter really. its condescending whole phrases into a few complex characters
id recommend genki if you are super serious/committed but for now start off with this
tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/
then use this to drill it in your head
realkana.com/hiragana/
afterwards, use anki to learn some basic words

tackle this like you are in preschool; learn your alphabet then learn things like colors, shapes, seasons, etc

>like an episode of an anime you already watched
Funny that I do this once in a while, not entirely to help me learn the language, but since I liked the audio in whatever episode.

vocab+grammar. alternate between vocab and kanji when you can't seem to commit to memory. you should be learning grammar/reading as much as you can.

pretty standard i think
>bunpro to srs grammar
>anki everyday, 5-15 new words depending on the mood and irl schedule
>genki 1 , 2
>currently going through tobira with my teacher
>italki lessons 3 times a week
>did some jlpt books for n4 and passed a full mock exam(can find pdfs online) 4-5 months ago
currently i'm grinding n3 shinkazen master and tobira, adding all new grammar points to bunpro. i did first 2k words from core6k but afterwards it get pretty newspapery so i swtiched to jlpt wordlist + a mining deck i started from reading manga/playing videogames. i highly recommending giving italki a try as whenever i find something difficult to understand instead of wasting 20min+ researching it i just make a note of it and ask my teacher next class, streamline the whole process.

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honestly a spin off title like rocket slime. has furigana so you can read the kanji with ease

/jp/ djt is the cancerous shithole. /int/ djt has less faggots.

someone post japanese """"humor""""

int djt is dead as fuck though

Pretty sure it will come with mandatory google brainwashing and intrusive brain ads so your effort won't be wasted

Y-Yeah, I just gotta load my deck back up. Just don't hurt me.

>dead as fuck
that literally makes the thread 100x better. if you legit have a learning question you will get an legit reply. /jp/ /djt/ threads is nothing but cancer.

Here is a classic Japanese joke that works in English.

Once there was a street merchant who had a stall next to the river. In the river there was a turtle. He one day grabbed the turtle with the intention of selling some turtle soup. It just so happened that right then a monk was walking by and saw this. The monk shouted to the stall merchant to stop for life was sacred. The merchant wanting some money said he would if the monk bought the turtle instead of soup. The monk agreed, bought the turtle and tossed it back into the river. The merchant got a bright idea though and after the monk left went to the river and got the turtle again. The next day as the monk was passing by again the merchant made a big show of making turtle soup. Once again the monk bought the turtle and tossed it into the river. This continued for a while with the merchant selling the turtle and the monk tossing it into the river to be retrieved again by the merchant. One day though the merchant had gotten busy dealing with a family of customers and forgot to grab the turtle. When the monk passed by the merchant grabbed a baby and claimed he was making baby soup. The monk shouted not to kill the baby and offered to pay for the baby. The merchant agreed. The monk gave the merchant good money and took the baby and tossed it into the river.

Ah yes. In the future our dreams will have ads in them. Dreaming about nonsense when suddenly a Coca cola ad appears.

At least its not being spammed by a discordfag who explicitly admits that he's there only to make the thread completely unusable.

if you have a question /r/learningjapanese discord is just superior, all reddit hate aside, you instantly get an answer back from a native there. at least jp djt is funny sometimes.

>/r/learningjapanese
>native

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they literally got a discord role for it so.

It's impossible to learn a language, while you're a wagie, while finding time to play video games at the same time, is it?

8h of work, come home so tired I nap for 2h, and I have to sleep again in 3-4h

You sacrifice game time for it.

depend on your job, my office job has a lot of downtime and i got my own office so i just bring out my laptop and do reps or read some manga or something.

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>no qt gf to teach you japanese

aaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaahhhhhhAAAAAAAH

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if i dont log in and textfuck my friends in a video game for a day they'll be very upset

make your video game time in japanese

Stop lying

That's actually a brilliant fucking idea

I started learning Japanese last summer. I know a little bit but I'm still not very confident so I'm trying to put together a better study routine

these are getting more ridiculous by the day

>become a monk
Had a cousin retarded enough to do that, and trust me, you REALLY don't wanna commit to it

Elaborate

try to see if you can find anyone teaching japanese in your area. it did wonders for me

Do you lot have the "You don't even know English" edit

if you're a NEET and study intensively, you can read VN's pretty comfortably in 8 months.

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Thanks user

guys I think I might be able to learn japanese

come talk to us in 3 months

thank

I know that. I'm just saying that it's not entirely bottom of the barrel.

Just apply and don't be a faggot on the interviews. They're hiring massively now.

months minimal to learn Kana
Bullshit, try 2 weeks, and even quocker is you pick up super quick and bust your ass.
months to learn grammar
Nah, reading Tae Kim along with Kanji and vocab, it should take 5 or 6 months, no need to rush.
>>You can't use any media aside from textbooks to learn or you will ruin your Japanese permanently
Nope.
>>You need N1 level to play Pokemon and/or Dragon Quest
No way, they both use so few kanji and super ez grammar. Vocab may be your hardest struggle in the beginning with media, but just keep reading it and you'll pick it up stupid quick.
>>Kanji will never come easily to an American. Regardless of immersion or length of study.
Wrong, Japs actually made remembering kanji pretty easy, the harder part is remembering onyomi or kunyomi pronunciations.

It's almost been a year since I last worked on my anki deck. I'm doing my reviews but fucking up on so much of them. Should I just start over? I only have a little under 150 kanji in my kanji grid so I'm sure it won't take too long to catch up

even with the kanji dq games use furigana with the only except that im aware of being X

Can you post some anki decks? There is a shit ton of them if you search for them on anki.

>tfw spend so much time on the internet and so little outside I think in english and have a hard time using my actual language

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Keep Japan Japanese, get the fuck out

>start over
you're going to get burned out fast bro, keep going, figure out what you are lacking in, THEN try it again

Watch anime/drama with moonrunes.
>youtube.com/watch?v=Vk_AuM6ozks
But don't pick the one you remember word by word.

no. don't start over you idiot. if you dont remember just hit again and reduce the time required. those buttons exists for a reason. don't rush.

1-8 don't either.

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I just want to slave on some farm in japanese countryside. Is that too much to ask? I don't give a fuck about Tokyo.

>resetera

Only games I'm interested in are porn and I can fap to the pictures anyway so...

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kana is a syllabary not an alphabet burgerbrain

>If you plan to work

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>don't learn Mandarin, I don't want competition

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What untranslated gems?

>start reading about learning japanese
>hiragana
alright
katakana
uh, alright
>kanji
fucking hell, I guess it's like learning vocab in any other language though
>onyomi and kunyomi
what in the flying fuck? how do people even learn when to use what

the entire world is niggers to japan

Someone post it.
I don't have it, anymore.

Even native japs can't read all kanji.

What is the best way to learn Hiragana and Katakanji?

>blah blah muh they ordered something else at the last minute
>blah blah i hate the fat stash of money i get for it

>how do people even learn when to use what
Pretty sure no one learns the readings on their own and just figures them out as they learn vocabulary. There will be a few times where you think "why the fuck is that read like that" but in general it's pretty sensible

Literally just flashcard it, shouldn't take more than an afternoon to get them down.

What are recommended resources to learn vocabulary? I understand Tae Kim for grammar, but vocab? anki or?

This. Just learn it with vocabulary. This is probably the hardest part of kanji learning. In Chinese, you usually have just 1 reading, so it's much easier to learn 1 word/character, though you need many more of them.

Fuck yeah it is!
The only person that could ever stop me is myself, and I believe in the me that believes in myself!

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reading

>Katakanji
not gonna make it

ive been learning for months now and its getting harder and harder

but I wont give up, gotta prove dekinai chan wrong

Then what are some good vidya that are japanese only? the only reason i could possibly have to learn ching chong is watching my super sentai without subs, mostly J.A.K.Q because apparently there are no subs

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anki or look shit up when you don't know a word that you just came across. dekinai? whats that? google and find out.

I use wanikani. i prefer the gamey aspect of learning vocab and kanjis.

>read
>look up the word if i don't understand
>understand
>forget by the next day
なるほどなー

its been maybe a week without tucking into my manga

After that wall it gets easy and fun.

Keep reading.

>方漢字
Brainlet.

>what in the flying fuck? how do people even learn when to use what
If you're learning a vocab, just learn the symbol and the reading.
Learning all readings of a symbol is terribly inefficient and exhausting.

Jisho.org is really good for looking up kanji really quickly.

何回も読んでるも、忘れになる。俺には無理だ。

you should have flashcard it. put into a anki deck. it be impressive if you could memorized a random foreign word just briefly looking at once

read more

>going to Japan next month
>literally cannot speak a single word of Japanese yet
>still haven't bought my tickets
what am i in for lads how much can I learn before I leave in mid-June and what should I use to learn?

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You're in luck! The Japanese language is exceedingly simple if you're looking to just talk.

愛亜夢うぃちん日報いねんgぃshべかうせいどのtkのwじゃぱねせ。いふょうれあdてぃしょうあれうしんっごおgぇtらんsぁて。

もっと読んでって。。。出来ないと言ってるだろう?何で分からないお前な

Kill yourself retard wojak underage

im really looking forward to it. Feels this way for learning anything.

>first starting out - easy and fun
>some time passes - difficult and doubt sets in
>after awhile - Ease and relief

im butchering this quote but its something along the lines of "its a tragedy when people give up because they dont even realize how close they were to success"

Pay me for my ticket and i will translate for you.

On-yomi is so predictable that after a certain point you can accurately predict the on-yomi of almost every new Kanji you see just by the way it’s shaped
When reading Kanji combos it’s pretty much always going to be the On-yomi reading, Kun-yomi typically appear alone or with Okurigana, the exceptions are words that are either too common or too rare to be a problem

When it comes to learning I always tell people the best time to start is today. When people morn they should've started years ago I tell them to start fucking now. Then they'll be happy years later.

just use ORE WA user DESU for introduction
end your sentence with KA? for questioning
want something just say KORE KUDASAI
want to insult someone just use BAKA.

Make flashcards silly bird

>ORE WA user DESU
This reminds me of a story I read on some forum. Some weeb went to Japan to study abroad and asked a group of girls in a classroom "Ore-sama wa kakoii desu?" and got laughed at by practically everyone.

Young adults have basic to moderate understanding of the English language, so it's not that bad.
Unless you are visiting smaller cities and rural areas, then I'll wish you good luck when obāsan finds you lying on the ground, berating you with an extinct dialect and forcing you to eat miso soup and rice at her home.

And trust me, i think of it doing it everytime i find something. But sometimes my brain always convince me that it's a hassle and i am retard if i can't remember it.

I doubt anyone could learn to read well by the end of the year if they started now.

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Flashcards are the most demotivating way to learn anything. I rather grind extra hard than ever go back to soulless flashcards.

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It's definitely possible. You'd have to go ALL out though. So anyone with a job won't be able to.

That's the impression that I've gotten, that it's much easier to learn to speak than it is to learn to read and write.

I'm 26 lad.

Absolutely not it's already going to be like $700-800 for me alone.

Will do! Desu!!

I'm going to Sendai, so I have no idea. Is that a big city or a smaller one?

Learning something is never a waste of time. Especially a new language. It will open your mind to new concepts and new ways of thinking, and above all it's a great brain exercise.

>reminder that bilingual children scored higher on intelligence tests even though they came from poor immigrant or mixed-blood families, comparatively with single-language children
>"The limits of language are the limits of one’s world" - Ludwig Wittgenstein

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>ore sama
Absolute chad. Only anime villains can say that.
It would have worked if he was a tall blond aryan, instead of fat american weeb mutt.

He legitimately has a learning disability
You can get kana down in a week, and then further reinforcement will make it by a month you'll never have to think more than a fraction of a second how to read it
Grammar is tough because there are many tiers of 'understanding'. I'd say you can get basic stuff down pat where no common sentence formulations should confuse you by 6 months at most even doing it alongside vocab or individual kanji study.
Using stuff outside of textbooks is important, reading as much as you can, as early as you can, and especially listening to stuff helps so much
N1 is completely arbitrary, the plot in pokemon and dragon quest is pretty minimal and you can progress with just understanding the menus without any problem
The unintuitive aspect of kanji comes in the multiple readings of the character. It's way easier to be able to look and know what it means but not be sure how its pronounced in the context.
This is all contingent on how much time per day and how consistent you are though. If you treat it like a hobby and put an hour or two into it every day you will make slow but sure progress. If you treat it like a part time job and put 3-4 hours into it every day you'll make very good progress. If you can afford to treat it like a full time job you will make extraordinary progress.

Okay, i pay for my ticket, you pay for hotel expenses. How does that sound?

Only if you bring snacks.

I actually would like to do this so I can play stuff like the Boku no Natsuyasumi series...

Maybe it's possible with a genius level IQ but someone average or even a good chunk above average won't be able to even with maximum effort. You would be really well off if you could read a tenth of the speed you can read now in your native language by the end of the year and that's not counting in the time to look up words..

>bilingual children
>children
That's the thing, buddy. Learning a language won't make you smarter, if you aren't kid anymore. You can't learn anything properly, as an adult. You, or your parents, fucked you over when they didn't teach you to play piano or to speak 3 languages.

Penis inspection day is everyday for monks

Goat cheese, how does that sound?

My J-E dictionary has a built in flash card system, so I don’t have to go out of my way to make a new card.
The only downside is that it doesn’t also have J-J

>Maybe it's possible with a genius level IQ
We're on Yea Forums, dakara no puroburemu desu yo

>You can't learn anything properly, as an adult.

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Now this is some Yea Forums mentality. We get it, great excuses, you can now kill yourself.

I've watched plenty of anime, I know certain words but nah I can't read that shit

I'm bilingual and it fucked me over because I know 3 languages but now I always fuck up words because I remember the word in the wrong language first. This happens right when you become too good in a language.

How bad would it be to brute force learning Kana? Say you take a game like Rocket Slime which is pure kana and just individually look up each character every time it appears.

Not everyone is like you.

your brain stops developing at 25. after that you can only learn languages mechanically.

Yea Forums and /r9k/ the places where people are just too intelligent to achieve anything.

Very well then. Go on and develop a perfect pitch as an adult. Come back to tell me you failed, in max 35years, because i will dead after that.

Most kana memorization techniques are pretty much brute force since there are only so many, but I think it would be a lot more efficient to use something designed to teach kana than try to force your way through a game.

I didn't know this year's mental olympics has already commenced, thanks for the update.

I was able to read well after around 4-5 months, but I was a high school senior so that may have affected it

You don't need perfect pitch to be able to play music well. Also, you're projecting really hard here. I can understand Japanese and can play music. My very existence is the counter-argument against your shitty belief.

>learning and speaking a language is the same as developing perfect pitch

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Learning is literally just about remembering something, remembering it in the correct context and remembering it fast enough to use it efficiently. There is nothing else to learning. What you use becomes stronger what you stop using becomes weaker. You could argue that children can build particularly strong connections but that's it.

You only learned those things mechanically. You don't know them.

You can't then. Thanks for proving my point.

Extreme mental gymnastic.

i know that feel my fellow esl loner

You are a loser who INSISTS that everybody else is also a loser.

where are the video games?

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>nooooooooooo, you are just a brainlet
Nice ad hominem.

In Japan. Do try to keep up, user.

And you are a fag who doesn't even have a counter argument to prove me wrong. You probably watch too much of capeshit, and all that "hope and you can do everything" made you dull. Back to reality, faggot.

Perfect pitch can't be developed at all, you're either born with it or you will never have it. Most people develop an approximation that works about as well.

If you go to Japan how out of place will you faggots be?

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Cmon, guys, he's going for the gold, cut him some slack.

If you don't work or study, sure. If you don't have the time (e.g. 1 to 2 hours of study/review per day), you'll take 2+ years to read simple manga fluently. If you don'y have an inclination towards language learning, expect more time. Personally, it took me 2 and a half years to read manga more or less fluently.

Does that include vidya too? I'm willing to no lfie it for 2-3 years if I can buy vidya early.

like a white man in congo

No. You need 40-50k words to read fluently without looking stuff up. Learning that many new words in a language that is not related to any language you know is extremely laborious to begin with. For Japanese it's even worse because Kanji and how idiosyncratic Kanji-readings are. Even if you knew all the Kanji and all their readings, it would take a fuckload of reading and looking up words to puzzle together all those 40k words and their readings correctly
>this word is kun-kun, second reading has dakuon
>this is on-on
>this word is on-on but uses go-on readings since it's originally a Buddhist term
>this word is kun-on dakuon/go-on reading on second...
>this one is on-kun
>uh I don't recognize this Kanji... oh, author randomly used a obscure variant character for "common word x" for no reason
>I recognize all the Kanji in this sentence but the Kanji are not in normal context, probably a proverb, I have to use on-yomi for these characters that are usually read with kun...

>want to learn Japanese for porn sometimes
>realize the dialogue is probably cringy and it's better I can't read it
ignorance is bliss

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Why not learn Chinese? Everything Japanese that isn't in English already was translated into Chinese. Japan is also massively oversaturated with people wanting to work there; meanwhile, English natives with Chinese skill are in massive demand internationally. You could work in literally any country you wanted and get 6 figures without even needing a university education.

If you replay translated games in their original language it often makes them much better as well. Even AAA ones.

Funny thing is. Hentai is almost always a 1:1 translation. Also its easy as fuck too. Its porn. They ain't gonna use crazy hard shit.

it's literally all the same. good place to learn

But it bothers me if I don't know what they're saying.

I would rather forget English and be a deaf-mute for the rest of my days than learn that gutter language

Maybe. It all depends on you desu, can't say for certain.

Why would I want to go to Japan? I just want to play games sooner along with ones that'll never see the light of day outside of their country.

>no media i consume from china
>not a place i want to go
>uses 2 languages. "learn chinese"
>Hong kong uses cantonese

It's still annoying not knowing exactly what it is they are saying.

t. falseflagging member of the JP-EN localization circlejerk (feel free to screenshot this for your twitter, fagotrons)

Everyone knows that, if anything, normals are more than willing to eat up your “flavored” garbage creative writing, while the non-ironic weeb audience wants more literal translations because we don’t mind TL notes and can infer a lot of the stuff that needs to be explained to normies.

Valkyria Chronicles, Persona and Yakuza translations are the best.

I am learning japanese and at the beginning it feels weird how even the simplest word can have like dozens of different meanings depending on context, something which in translations gets tons of translations, even pretty flavorful ones. But after a while tiny nuances gives the words flavor that wasn't there before.

Jesus Christ. What the fuck is wrong with JP language?

>defeatist loser tries to make himself feel better about his incompetence by dragging others down

Cantonese is being killed off.

This, now i think in broken english and french it's awful

When I was in middle school, I asked for, and got an English to Japanese dictionary for Christmas. The few words that I could look up didn't make sense, to put it nicely.

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Are you the guy who was insistent about seeing my PSN account roughly 3 years ago?

Cause you exhibit the same kind of mental illness.

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>hate mainland china
>most people where I live are vietnamese or nepali immigrants
>Chinese internet
That said, I do plan on learning it eventually for the history and literary classics

Skip it all and use this
>youtube.com/watch?v=zujxguw5lFc

Nah Japanese are for weebs who want to waste time to learn how to read gook fapshit.
Spanish and cantonese are for niggas who want to get the beeg bux

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What if you're third gen Japanese immigrant in Europe trying to get closer to his grandparents tho

Direct translations are boring/stilted as hell

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>he prefers fanfiction-tier translation
haha... that's our rean.

It can't be helped.

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Everything is about money isn't it?

It’s mostly the early words that are like that, like Spanish ser or English have.
After intermediate words tend to be pretty solid in definition

>le Cantonese mene
Mandarin is where it's at, 我朋友.

Why would they hire a dumb Spanish second language when there’s native billinguals everywhere

>wanting to work in Japan

You have no idea what you're getting yourself into.

Consume Japanese media, fine. Visit for holidays, fine. Work/live there? I honestly wish I could save your body and health from yourself.

If you don't understand japanese, you are the ironic weeb.

おれはすてきな ばいきんまん
眼にもみえない早わざで
どんな敵でもいちころさ
世界はやがておれのもの
ばいきんまん ばいきんまん
バイキンだから キンキラキン
ハハハハハ ハヒフヘホ!

Did I so good, Yea Forumsros?

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as someone who has no idea about japense, how the fuck do you learn drawing these "letters"/"words"? learning a meaning is one thing, but learning to write, or should i say draw, this shit?

what in the flying fuck is that

Stroke order.

I passed N1 in 2012. Just saying that this shit takes time. People claiming they have fluent reading after 2.5 years are flat-out lying. They would not be able to stand in front of a Japanese person with a random literary text for adults and read it out loud with high accuracy and fluency. This is not to say that their Japanese is shit or anything. But proficiency -> mastery (reading close to how a Japanese adult does) is not a small step. And anything less than mastery means reading is a pain in the ass because of how Kanji works.

One of my weeb friends when he speaks his broken Japanese alway uses Washi over Watashi...why?

Not him, but I learned Japanese, got accepted to a university here (course in Japanese, not some English program) and plan to look for work before I graduate, on the same schedule as Japanese graduates-to-be.

I'm fine with Japanese style of work. For one, the conditions tend to be less harsh on foreigners, and they are getting better overall for everyone. Google 働き方改善. And living in Japan is worth it for me.

That test doesn't test active ability, only passive (reading, listening, understanding). But yeah, stroke order and a lot of practice.

Let's say you're a nurse. Your whole wing is predominantly white,English only speakers. You knowing Spanish is major boon for those times when you have Spanish speaking patients . I know this because my mom is said Spanish speaking white girl. She is paid double over her peers thanks to a second language. She also knows hobby languages like French and she even admits it was a waste of time since she never uses it

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nobody really writes anything by hand anyway nowadays so it's not much of an issue anymore. even the Japanese struggle writing them

While true, it's not a good attitude to have.

nobody knows how to write kanji. it's digital age.

Knowing Japanese helps with that too though. There are tons of jobs that need it in America.

Worth why? Just curious

Probably saw it in some anime. My bet is on the old fuck from Ippo. It's a relic, and basically only old people use it now.

It's a lot easier than it looks from the outside. Everything is made up of components, it's basically legos.
>even the Japanese struggle writing them
No they don't. They might forget a rarely used character here and there, but everything else they know.

There are around 220 simpler characters / character parts called radicals, the combinations of those make up all characters. So if you know those, you will know the stroke order, and you only have to remember which radical is where in a given word.

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>People claiming they have fluent reading after 2.5 years are flat-out lying.

Those are DJT EOPs who consider reading light novels as fluency.

It literally only takes a day to learn hiragana

Okay Yea Forums tell me, how the fuck am I supposed to memorize the 3 billion counters they have? And don't even get me started on reading names without a reference

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>literally the only thing I want to read are doujins and eroge
I can't believe I'm learning this dead language just for porn.

I've tried Wanikani, but for me it's really really really slow. I hear so many amazing things about it, but my memorization is shit.
I'm just gonna bite the bullet and spend the $250 for the 10 weeek class instead

So a young person using it would be weird as fuck then right?

Why are romboid mouths so fucking hot?

I can't even write my own language and I don't need to since it's 2019. Learning how to write Japanese might not be a complete waste of time, but it comes pretty close.

is your friend 70 years old?

I'm interested in the money. How do I make money after learning Spanish?

>No they don't. They might forget a rarely used character here and there, but everything else they know.
Horseshit. My nip girlfriend is constantly complaining that her university textbook is a pain in the ass to read because she doesn't know a bunch of the characters.

Just pronounce every name wrong on purpose and use xつ instead of counters. Teach them japs to unfuck their language.

>study Japanese at uni
>actually great way to learn and even get a Japanese gf
>Downside is all my sensei were women so i sound like a faggot
>even still use 私 all the time like a fucking pussy

Groovy baby. Just groovy. The dick wants what it wants you know?

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My home country is relatively poor. I could be reasonably well off if I got hired as a translator by some Japanese company there, but if I'm going to do that kind of work, I might as well do it here in Japan where the standard of living is much higher and my *favorite things* are easier to get.

No, trust me I live in Canada French is uselsss

Small question, how do you guys refer to yourselves when you're speaking? 俺? 僕? 私?