Gentlemen. How do we save Tales?

Go back to phantasia and start over from scratch
3D ruined this series

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>a Tales game that controls like Smash and has battlefields as large as Hyrule Castle

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Have the Graces team design the battle system.
Hire someone new to design the story and characters.

Tales was never good

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Even Berseria couldn't get away from its ties to the godawful Zesteria lore. They should have just retconned it and pretended Zesteria never happened or was an alternate reality or some shit

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that game was fucking awful

This song gives me PTSD. Fucking dungeon was too goddamn long, considering you had to walk all the way to the dragon and then go back outside in order to do some of the extra content. They didn't even put anything good in the chests.

Zestiria legitimately makes too much money, in fact contrary to your assertion being linked to Zestiria probably helped Berseria more as it continues to provide Berseria with material to keep it relevant.

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Didn't break 2 million total sales for all the different platforms it was released on. Symphonia sold more on the Gamecube than Zestiria did on the PS3 and PS4.

Symphonia sold the most of any Tales game because it had Nintendo backing it. And that doesn't change the fact that Zestiria makes Bamco money (so long as the waifu of bankruptcy isn't involved).

I'm sorry the waifu of financial ruin.

>Berseria was 3 years ago
>All we've had since then is PS3 Vesperia localized and a mobile game

Is Tales dead?

>knew exactly what 3 were going to be posted
Are these really the only 3 good tracks from Symphonia?

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No, they're probably shopping around for a new studio because of Ufotable being caught for tax evasion.

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I'm sure they'll team up with Nintendo or something.

Nintendo isn't an animation studio user.

Oh fuck that kid in the forest.

What ss pandering?

but OP I THE GREAT MAGILOU have already saved Tales

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Tales of Symphonia 2 but really though.

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by making a new 2D tales?
yeah, that sounds right...

Make more perfect girls like Raine.

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I've only played ToS 1 and 2 and also a little bit of Zeteria. Will I like Vesperia?

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Vesperia, Symphonia, and Abyss are the holy trinity.

Yuri is best girl

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I want to have sex with Rita Mordio!

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I loved berseria, but it's not filled with moeshit waifu pandering so the japanese don't care.
And it's the only tales game I really enjoyed since the 2d games were the mainline games.

This
IMO you're not really a tales fan if the only ones you like/have played are the 3d games.

I know the ps1 version is superior, but snes phantasia will always have a place in my heart as one of my top favorite games ever.

armpit sluts>your shit talesfu

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Gas all Vespericucks
Your game is SHIT

Actually Berseria is pretty popular with Nips. Ironically it's the west that ignore it.

That sounds incredibly smelly

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That's... surprising to hear.

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The franchise was always shit.

I lied.

Sheena is best girl.

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Berseria could've used some polish and some proper optional bosses.
When the final boss is actually the scariest fight in your jrpg you fucked up somewhere.

Also fuck that ending. What did Velvet do to deserve that shit?

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Symphonia has tons of good music and I'm not even a Symphoniafag. Beat the Angel is a bit overrated in my opinion, but I absolutely fucking love both standard battle themes. For having a MIDI-ass soundfont they pulled the most they could out of it.

Dawn of the New World has its share of good tracks as well, with some nice Symphonia remasters in there to boot.

It leans into fujo pandering. Not enough to make it annoying though.

Still better than your other garbage fujo bait games.

t. a dog

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Repede is pretty based honestly. Good taste in women too.

The game's message is significantly more visceral and edgy for the Japanese.
Americans play it and think Artorius is just off his fucking carts and the cast is perfectly normal. Artorius embodies Japan's nasty social expectations. It's more of a slap in the face for people who do a lot, a LOT, of shit just because it's what everyone else is expecting from them.

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>IMO you're not really a tales fan if the only ones you like/have played are the 3d games.
I get really bored with the early 2D entries, it doesn't help that the early localizations stripped out Skits thus tearing out a lot of the charm. The battle systems are just too basic and repetitive, I nearly fell asleep beating Eternia. I'd LOVE to play Destiny DC but... yeah.

I don't remember most of the tracks in DotNW
Weren't the majority of them just remasters?

>the west is america
I love my americanbros but come on.

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Make it into a gacha game with hot anime girls with big titties. Yeah it'll turn the series into a soulless shitpile infested with waifufags but it won't die anytime soon.

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>drop the skits in place of cutscenes
>drop the overuse of anime cinematics
>go back to the fighting game style of combat or get the graces team back in there to make something that isn't utter garbage
>put alternative costumes back in the game as rewards for quests and achievements
>get rid of the idolshit tier costumes
>go back to overworld map with locations
>get rid of the stupid orb collection
>more bonus dungeons
>return great monster hunting to the game
>create actual replayability
>bring in new ideas that don't detract from the old staples that people like
The models in Berseria looked great, would've been nice to actually be able to see them behind the neverending skits.

A new idea that I think would fit right in would be to have new game +'s effects actually change the plot or at least some of the dialogue. For example: if you start a ng+ with all of your skills/levels/money the other characters bring this up, so in ng upon starting characters refer to you as an 'amateur swordsman' but in ng+ they refer to you as 'amazing swordsman' right from the get go. Brought over all your money? Then it goes from 'He's a poor guy who lives in the lower quarter' to 'one of the richest people in the city.'

I think it'd open up a lot of opportunities, but just expanding fully on some of the great staples of this game would be where its at.

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why couldn't this have been a real game

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Zestiria already had the shitty animation series going which completely deviates from major plot points in the game. They should have let Zestiria die with the animated series and just created a new series with the same themes as Berseria and it would have done better without the additional baggage.

Many of them are remasters but the original tracks for the game are pretty great. The final dungeon has a pair of excellent tracks for the theme and battle music, for example.
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Also quite liked Ratatosk's theme, as another.
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The west isn't a monolith. America's attitude towards this kind of thing is most similar to the other anglosphere countries, while countries like Germany or France have a habit of trusting the state's authority way too fucking much.

Make best pairings canon

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Threadly reminder that Rita likes dog knot!

Ironically enough both Berseria and Zestiria had shades of this, what with the characters being motivated by their own selfishness rather than the betterment of society (Velvet for revenge, Sorey for having an extended honeymoon with his childhood waifu). The idea of being yourself and not conforming to society in Japan is something that Nips don't do.

Again, Zestiria makes too much money and the people who hate it are just a bunch of faggots online that don't buy Tales merch or play the mobage anyway. So why should they give a shit about your opinion?

The last they listened to a bunch of faggots it cost them money with no reward.

But Zestiria is legitimately bad.

It doesn't "make too much money" I have no idea what delusion you're under.

Again Bamco doesn't give a shit about what a bunch of faggots online think after listening to said faggots made them lose money. They don't care about your hate boner.

I don't know what you're talking about, user. I never asked for it.
Sounds like a projection problem.

redpill me on the rita fucks dogs meme

Actually it does, if you haven't been living under a rock for the past 4 years you'd know that Bamco has done a lot of collaborating with other properties using Zestiria. You'd also know of the merchandising they use with it.

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Kill whoever made zesteria and berseria. Last good tales was tox, maybe tox2. Graces had best combat hands down. (and best boy Richard)

I literally just said that Bamco doesn't give a shit about what anti-Zestiriafags think. There's no projection here, Bamco just doesn't give a shit about your opinion.

No it doesn't. Provide evidence of the supposedly excessive funds Zestiria has brought that a better series could not have since that is the claim being discussed.

Get rid of Motoi Sakuraba. His Tales of music has been stale for years.

The real ending to Tales of Symphonia was Zeles and Lloyd going off on homoerotic adventures together.

Destiny is my favorite Tales game.

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I always imagined it was kratos with a captains hat on steering derris karlan around crashing into other world's.

Wrong.

Is Abyss worth playing if I hate Tales games but i want to fap to Tear?

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Guess.

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>Also fuck that ending. What did Velvet do to deserve that shit?
Nothing, but they had to reconnect this shit with Zestiria
The only bane of this game is being connected with that shitty ass game

The last game Berseria was very good. They might be on the right track.

So Yea Forums, is your favorite character a giant or a manlet?

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>tfw as tall as the chosen one
Nice.

Since when is Rutee so tiny?

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>184
He is a big guy

Like you know what makes games good.

>Berseria was very good

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Wolf Team will never exist again. I'm sorry.

I agree. It was great.

>guy is taller than flynn
>lloyd is taller than tos makes him to be
>velvet is only a tiny bit shorter than luke
>pascal is a womanlet

Some of this is surprising.

For Luke.

I'm taller than everyone except Mr. Question Marks. My waifu is on the 4th row but she's taller than my wife

user, first of all, common sense alone should tell you that it wasn't making money they'd be ignoring it. Zestiria characters straps have were one of the first to be sold out in the last couple of Tales Fes. In it has a collaboration with that goth Loli store who remade all of Edna's umbrellas from the game. Super Groupies has enough clothes using them that you could literally make an outfit using nothing but that collab. They have Sorey and Mikleo body pillows complete with drama CDs. Rose's dress was recreated. They were selling a kimono based off of Mikleo, etc.

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Yes
It was

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probably.

Tunnel man's a big guy

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What game is this?

Rays

I could use some more Eternia myself

Same, the game has an absurd amount of content and you can tell a lot of love went into it.

>first time on Regulus cave
>"ok there's supposed to be an extra boss here, how hard could it be"
>FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

, but that's a superboss that
Eternia is legit another of my favorite games.
I've played it enough that I pretty much have to play it on hardcore (mania) mode now or it gets too easy.

Except against Sylph, because that fight is top tier bullshit.
Oh and regulus nereid, but that's a superboss that actually punishes you for leveling up soooooo yeah.