That'll be $999 (+tip)

they're idiots, only youtubers who get this for free and people who have nothing better to spend on will get this, everybody else is on PSVR which has all the AAA games for under 300

Who is this headset for? It's not for the gamers.
...they're late

JUST

as always valve arrives several years too late

they need to start firing dudes and stop jerking off

no, you can do that, actually. it's retrocompatible with the Vive

How does this stack up to a vive pro?

Always nice to see Valve make another shitty decision

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this wouldve been killer for $699. valve should sell it at a loss to make more people get VR

dabs hard on it in every way

higher fov
higher resolution
higher refresh rate
better colors
better sound (off ear)

Is there a VR set yet that works for subhumans with broken eyes?

if you have two eyes and arent blind it will work

Surprised. Figured they'd go full jew at that price.
Will probably get those when more games become compatible then, and possibly get a price drop or something.

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yes, but I'm not gonna drop hundreds on something I can't use because I'm absurdly nearsighted.

you know you can wear glasses with vr headsets right

that sounds really uncomfortable.

surprisingly theres like 30 games with knuckles tracking today. it's crazy

it's fine, it fits normally. they're made with that in mind

Why isn't there one that can adjust?
Surely there are enough people with defective eyes to make it a valid thing to develop?

but that's the point user, they all adjust: youtu.be/2SI_3jlAV9M?t=378
i think every one except the Rift S are adjustable

So there is a focus adjustment, then?
Because whenever I care to look, I find out that there isn't any.

>thinking people want to pay for shitty base stations that they have to nail into the wall in 2019
Why did they even bother, it's just a slightly upgraded Vive. The only really cool thing is the controllers

Games will still look pixelated as shit so no

You don't need nails.

Full set costs more than I have spent on my new gayming PC+peripherals.
There aren't even any games that can take advantage of those features yet.

Valve is a group of fools.

Daily reminder that you are not the target audience for this hardware

poors btfo

>price is what kills it
Lmao poorfags

>yfw all the good VR games end up as epic exclusives

who is?

Just shut the fuck up and get LASIK you whiny little faggot

Correct, only massive retards with too much money are

i can afford it.
the real question is though, is it worth owning one for the kind of games that are out right now?

People who play video games

>just shut up and fuck your already broken eyes up some more
nah m8, I like being able to see at night

Everyone: "VR has a to steep entry price and no killer apps/games aside a handful"

VALVe: "Heres a 1000$ headset oh and also we announced no games for it, thanks and have fun"

but they said they might release a VR game, user...

1,000$, nothing new! vr is dead! poo poo!

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1079 euros.
Valve have lost their mind but heh, they still print money so it doesn't even matter how many blunders and failures they pile up.

Nah ill buy a psvr before this. Not even any good vr pc games. No good vr porn. Fuck you valve

imagine if this wasnt a $999 kit. seriously, imagine if something this good, was accessible.

fuck valve.

If anything this situation only increases the chance of HLVR
Think about it logically

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I want to know if it has eye tracking and foviated rendering. If it has that, it easily beats Vive pro full Enterprise kit for over 400 less.

Nigger

it doesnt matter if most people cant afford it. i'm probably getting an Index, but not everyone can do the same.
VR is going to be dead until something high quality is affordable.

>$999 to play tech demos
The only thing that will save VR are actual games

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>Valve Software
>Software
time for a rename

Don't be sad user, at least you have amazing Valve games like Artefact and... Well, Valve is doing their best but they simply don't have the resources to make games anymore. Save some money to buy the next gen Virtual boy... I mean, Index or whatever.

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So this just affirmed me with buying a used vive
I thought that maybe if it was 600 for all then MAYBE I would pick it up but you have to be so out of touch to think that it will sell well when vive exists for half the price and can play the same games

Im not sure about index but I know that you can buy special made lenses for vive

VR is a meme gimmick fad that is already over.

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When the FUCK is real VR going to become affordable? It's not worth paying $900 when next years tech will blow this out of the water

Sony and Nintendo got it right, I guess. they realized VR will always be a novelty toy you'll play with occasionally, and priced it accordingly. The market for higher-end VR is still really slim. I enjoy my PSVR quite a bit, but it was only $200, so I can live with the downgraded visuals. I could afford a $1000 headset, but that's still way too much to pay for a tech toy I'm only going to use 4-6 hours a week at most.

has neither

>wanna buy this
>but NEET with zero income
What's the fastest way to get money to buy this?
Somebody direct me towards easy jobs that I can quit once I have VR money.

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>$1000 to play 1(one) game
killer deal right here

build skills and get a job, retard.

Can you do hard physical labor? Summer is coming and they always need people for road work.

>not being a pirate neet with some income and 0 expenditure
Not even sure if I want this considering I have a pimax

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING, THIS IS ALL A CHINK PLOY TO RUIN VALVE

TIANANMEN SQUARE FUCK CHINKS

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Stock up on kneepads

Just like with any tech, it will take quite a few years before it's sensibly available to the average customer.

NEET right? Learn how to draw hentai, then draw 1 (one) single hentai naked tit and earn 5,000 dollars per month.

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I think this us incorrect. Look at the description of the headset. It talk about navigating using only your eyes so it must have eye tracking. Foviated rendering likely is supported then but they will talk about it in software or Dev focused stuff

You want the controllers. You want to feel the force you're applying to the throat you are squeezing.

nice place but what does it have to do with anything?

niggers pay $800 for a fucking phone so this price is whatever you want to make of it.

ITT: Favela scum poorfags. Please stay away from the store page, it is not for you.

The Google Cardboard is for people on your level of society.

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Yeah that's a given I just mean the headset

>What's the fastest way to get money to buy this?
learn how to suck dick and buy it in less than a week

Do manual labor or burger flipping during the day and draw niche fetish porn by night. Doesn't matter if you can't draw for shit, if it's niche enough people won't care. Bonus points if it's barely interactive so can be classified as a 'game'.

it says the FOV and area without distortion are bigger than on the Vive. there is no eyetracking or foveated.

Whew, not going to lie that's a little too pricey to take the leap on without more details.
Gonna hold out for hands-on reviews unless my O+ spontaneously combusts or something.

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I have to work up to even play games when all I have to do is double click an icon. No way I would be willing to put a headset and controllers on all the time

youtu.be/kMpQWSqQFK0?t=438
poor chinkfags btfo

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>The Google Cardboard
The what?

they literally said that they are making games for it
but even then yeah over 1k burgeros are way too fucking much for it (west EU here the complete set costs €1079)

Literally the only good thing about it is that you can use the controllers and headset interchangably with others so if you for example own a vive but like the headset more you can just buy the headset while keeping the old vive controllers and stations (And vice versa if you like controllers you can buy just them)
So sure I'll just buy a used vive now for €300 and if I like it I might just buy the headset in few months or something

This.

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Since I'm just now getting into VR for the first time I guess I'm just gonna go with the Rift S. Besides the spec upgrades it doesn't seem like the Index brings anything new to the table. $400 for a ready-to-go system sounds pretty appealing too. I just want to finally play some VR stuff.

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what is really coming next year? foveated rendering and eye tracking, aren't going to make things affordable. You can buy cheap WMR sets or go with rift S. Index is comparable to Vive Pro just better in every aspect (unless you take in to account the eye) and far cheaper..

You can just get the Rift S if you want something cheaper.
Also, we don't know if they're going to announce games yet. We're still a day early.

based

It's accessible if you have a job and no kids.

My dick is the only game this system needs.
Where can i find the anime porn, not the 3D skank videos, not the janky custom maid, not the old ass honey select or shitty waifu simulator. I want the good shit the superior quality 3D sex, just give me a lead at least i'll look up the rest.

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WOW THANKS GABE. BACK TO FACEBERG I GO.

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does she have a game to sell and where do i buy it

>Better headset costs more money
>Better controllers costs more money

woooooooo

I've heard good things about Virt-A-Mate
Same with Koikatsu but it's not quite there yet.

Jesus, Zoe Quinn really turned her looks around. Looks human now.

post your specs.

Alanah Pearce, she makes youtube videos.
She recently joined the Funhaus crew, I recommend checking out both. At least I enjoy both channels.

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BoofVR

People will buy the knuckles and still use their Vive for a while
No big deal
You guys prefer the outrage of talking shit about the whole bundle price when you can buy everything separately

what kind of a toaster are you using?

Also
>CPU: 4cores
thanks for the info valve

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I doubt that VR price will drop significantly without amounts sold like iPhone. This device in principle have a lot of precise parts, precise sensors, high data rates and complicated assembly to be cheap, while most of electronics is just generic components PCB inside plastic casing with a few basic buttons and LEDs. Price cannot be moved a lot in design stage, only in production. And minimal usability require high level of quality.
VR desperately needs the Killer App, which can convince people to buy it. Job Simulator is fun, but no way I spend $1000 to play it.

not everyone can afford that comfortably. im luckily not a poorfag and i'd still think twice before blowing 1k on a toy.

Wait. If i have controllers strapped to my hands how do i masturbate ?
I didn't think this through.

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I will most likely buy it but I will wait for reviews to arrive.

>Willing to spend 1000 burgers to play... nothing noteworthy at all.
>Falling this hard on your knees to suck corporate dick
Good goy, keep telling yourself you the man for spending money on frivolities.
And I have enough disposable income. But a fool and his money user...

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Jesus christ think I'll just get a quest.

Your fingers are uncovered, it’s only your palm that’s stuffed. It’s possible.

I already make 5k a month doing nothing. Gonna spend money on this. Like I care

>tattoo
dropped

Why are base stations necessary? The Oculus S or whatever it's called won't need those.

God I fucking hate Tested. It's 20 minutes of absolutely fucking nothing.
It's astounding that Norm has been absolutely fucking useless at talking about stuff since even the PC Gamer Podcast days.

>le doing nothing meme

The wands you let them dangle from the strap, the knuckles, it looks dangerous, you will scratch your glans against something. Honey Select is one handed luckily

What games?

Do you have a decent PC? If so might as well get the Rift S, same price for better hardware.

>just realized that HTC is dead now that both the Rift S and the Index have taken away the market share HTC would have had with the cosmos and the Vive Pro.

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Do yourself a favor and don't google her without makeup.

Also
>shitty tattoos everywhere
Into the trash

> At a reveal event last week, Valve representatives said the Index's high cost (it's one of the most expensive headsets on the market) is due to the philosophy behind its development The Index is intended both as a high-fidelity, high-end headset for experienced VR users, and to remove hardware barriers for developers working in VR and increase the library of content available, rather than focusing on an affordable or low-barrier piece of equipment for users.
Deniers TOLD

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I got different results for Valve VR, but I'm far from ready for primetime apparently lol.

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>tattoos
oof

tracking. Rift S is inside out, meaning the headset maps the room and you don't need anything else.

What is the Rift S? I youtubed it and got cancer e-celebs WELCOME GUYS TO ANOTHER 20 minute videos.
Is it Rift 2?

Yeah, wanted to add this too. I have $600 phone and used it's hardware capabilities like for 20 hours in 3 years. All I really need from a phone is browser, maps, picture viewer and social media apps. Because of shitty software updates now it lags as hell even in basic apps, though. I really dislike tech companies, they put out pure overpriced garbage and force you to use it by monopolizing.
Point is, VR is much better investment in terms of enjoyment, than a phone. I think I will be perfectly fine with a $300 device.

You have to go all in bro

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How do I do nothing for 2k a month

I don't get why they wouldn't copy that

It's essentially an "updated" Rift, but instead of outside in tracking, it has inside out with 5 cameras.

Just tape a fleshlight under a table and you are good.

See pic related.

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since when is 1060 not enough for a VR? what kind of nonsense is that?

>You need at least a 15k$ to play vr games yet you cant afford a 1k peripheral
Kek poorfag

>You need at least a 15k$ to play vr games
?

Because the new headset is more taxing on the hardware, you dunce.

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It's a 3GB 1060, that shit 'aint running VR dawg.
Even a 6GB is cutting it close.

It's a WMR headset made by Lenovo and rebranded by Facebook. Arguably a sidegrade rather than an upgrade, it pissed off a lot of Oculus fanboys.
If you've been following VR drama you'd understand that it signals Facebook's departure from PCVR and is intended phase out the expensive Rift CV as well as make the Quest more appealing.

>keeps watching the whole time
What did she mean by this?

Your headset cannot track the controllers when they are behind your back. It will need to guess, it is going to be inferior.
the panel has a higher resolution. 1060 will drive a vive though, the 970 did for me.

learn how to spell before you roleplay being anything but a sad virgin

>Even a 6GB is cutting it close.
It really isn't unless you shift the goalposts by claiming VR is unplayable outside 2.0x supersampling and maxed graphics options
Valve has to compensate for retards who barely know how to use their computers though.

Why someone who dont have a gpu is visiting a forum dedicated to videogames...

ha yes
>Console player

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Another Valve failure.

>no mention of screen type (probably still OLED), resolution, FOV (probably same as well)
They mention all of those, though. FoV is supposed to be 20 deg improvement for most people, depending on how you adjust the lens distance from your eyes, so presumably people with glasses will benefit less since the lenses can't be as close.
>still using a input system that requires people to set up base stations
This is a good thing, it's the best system.
>only new thing is the knuckles controllers
I mean, those are a major upgrade. There are other major upgrades as well, like 120-144Hz refresh rate.

With the wand i could put my dick through the hole and masturbate like that but i don't know what i'm going to do now.

why do youtubers get to have all the fun these days?

Why are you ashamed to show your pc?

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Sistema Operativo > Operative Sistem

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Well it used to be "game journalists" until they completely shit the bed
Nothing stopping you from becoming an Influencer user ;)

>better sound (off ear)
This is the one thing I'm worried about. I wonder how bass will translate when there is basically no sealing at all. Bass can be important for many sound effects in games.

I know right. I got the same thing running the Oculus workbench. Can't get a straight answer.

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>1k+ if you want to start from scratch
welp

>Nothing stopping you from becoming an Influencer user ;)
Yeah, who needs dignity?

You're just going to have to go and get that buttkicker set up

If you can't comfortably drop $999 on something you really want you never had any to begin with. Sorry you had to find out like this.

Dignity doesn't earn you free stuff nor money

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I did. I'm a PC cherry boy tho which why I'm shy.

it can earn you actual happiness tho

That level of cope is extremely undignified

stop posting this because it's obviously bs with the resolutions

Why are they forcing you to use their shitty headphones? Also, is it wired or wireless?

I ain't even buying this because I think VR is a gimmick but this comment is still based as fuck

>You're just going to have to go and get that buttkicker set up
I'd rather use other headphones, though according to reports the audio on this thing is actually good.

>no orange box 2 exclusive vr lineup

valve literally had a shot to change gaming for the foreseeable future and they just missed it

It's not though, there are countless miserable rich people.

>1k
Honestly, even at absolute WORST I thought it'd be 800. What a fucking disaster.

The headset alone is 1.5x more than I paid for my entire Vive setup, the controllers alone are almost as expensive as it, there isn't even a single part of this I'd even consider "upgrading" to.

Valve had a single chance to make a splash in this market, but this is Steam controller tier idiocy.

based and learn2codepilled

I mean technically the announcement is tomorrow

>Why are they forcing you to use their shitty headphones? Also, is it wired or wireless?
Putting on a headset and then putting your headphones on as well is absolute fucking cancer, there's no comfortable way to do it. Using any headset without built in headphones is the worst idea you can have.

Also, it's wired, because of course you wouldn't get something fancy like wireless support for just a grand.

Even if they do have an Orange Box 2 shipping with every Index, it's not going to improve sales.

Nice to see them doubling down on W10 exclusivity, too. Not even HTC were that dumb.

>Why are they forcing you to use their shitty headphones?
They're not, how are they forcing you?

true but valve would've done some minor tease today, like a secret page in the store with a crowbar on it or something.

this is a miss.

>People talking rhetorical cancer
>Not talking about how it causes literal cancer

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I suppose it's the Valve curse in that they're not predatory enough to be as cancerous as any other company would be in their shoes but at the same time that means they sit on their fat asses while opportunity whizzes by and let cancerous companies like Facebook make all sorts of gaffes that aren't capitalized on

Hunger and yearning bring you dignity and happiness, gotcha

why Yea Forums is so full of retards these days?

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They literally have a gun to his head user.
Valve is evil and we HAVE TO STOP THEM

I dunno, Index looks like the first set to actually look worth the high price. Unlike the Vive or Vive Pro, you're getting a lot of improvement on value. Just seems clear they'd rather focus on the enthusiast end while Oculus owns the normie space. When you look at that pricing list, its clear Knuckles alone boosts the price a shitload. Which makes sense because its incredible tech. $500 for the headset alone sounds fair

>>If you can't comfortably drop $999 on something you really want you never had any to begin with.
Anyone who thinks the current state of VR is worth 1000 bucks is absolutely delusional.

My Vive with the deluxe audio strap was 300 bucks. For that, I feel like I overpaid for VR. The hardware is great, but the software is just terrible.

Paying THREE TIMES THAT for a minor resolution bump and fucking finger tracking is not a sane investment.

It's over bro, Valve blew it. PCVR will continue to languish as Oculus and Sony nibble at it from the sides.

Learn how to drive.

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A "flagship" VR title from Valve will come out this year supposedly.

It's been like this for years.

They're gonna be in the way for a normal headset. They also only got one aux port.
Worked just fine on Vive when I tried it at a friends house.

>Don't care about the wii tracking bullshit
>just want to be able to play old games with Mouse and keyboard and a vr headset

is this possible? can I just get the headset and still play old games on it?

it's not predatory to launch hardware with a release lineup, it'd only be predatory if they were shitty games

a legitimate wireless headset and fine-tuned TF3, Portal 3, HL3 VR experiences would be well worth it.

what am i buying this $1000 paperweight to play?

Sounds like you don't want it bro, so what's the problem?
...or do you actually want it and you're furiously trying to cope? Well, not my problem either way.

How much are original Vive/RIft headsets nowadays?
Would it be weird buying one used?
I just want to play the new Half Life and and mess around in VR a bit. I only have a 580 anyway, so this would be wasted on me.

>When you look at that pricing list, its clear Knuckles alone boosts the price a shitload. Which makes sense because its incredible tech.
What? What in the everliving fuck does Knuckles add to gaming? Finger tracking is absolutely worthless for anything other than messing around in MP games. Analog sticks are a minor improvement over the Vive for movement, but they aren't a 300 dollar improvement.

Do people just willingly delude themselves because they see Valve on the box or something? You know Knuckles isn't actually something cool like those spider gloves we saw a prototype of a few years back, right?

>actually believing the p65
That shit is meaningless. California is retarded and so are you.

but.... why would developers push the high end VR tech if no one has the VR required to run it?

>Hunger and yearning bring you dignity and happiness, gotcha
Not being rich or having the latest toys doesn't mean you're hungry or yearning.
The only thing that can bring you happiness is enlightenment. Sucking someone's dick for $1000 makes that much harder to attain.

I think you misunderstood the entire thrust of that statement.
You can have a company that actually tries to compete, except they're going to be predatory by nature.
Or you can have Valve who is reliably disappointing because they just don't give enough fucks.

>like wireless support
Is it even possible to put through so much data wirelessly with a small device on your head?

>worthless
so you enjoy pressing one static button to pick up objects? That doesn't kill the immersion for you?
Stop trying to find negatives in everything user.

>finger tracking is absolutely worthless gor anything other than messing around in MP games
Brainlet. There are tons of things it could be potentially used for outside of that, look at something like Boneworks. If you want to make the point that most VR games are gimmicky shit, sure. Its not even a statement on how useful it is, just that its probably expensive yo develop.

Okay bud, glad you found the secret of happiness which is apparently subsisting on an elaborate system of cope
I don't think you have any further business in this thread though

They're probably going to jump up in price now, honestly. They dropped a bit from the uncertainty of Index, but now it's shown itself to be a Vive Pro 2.0 in terms of price as well as specs, and is still massively overcharging for base stations, anyone delusional enough to upgrade probably won't sell you their 1.0 vive lighthouses because they're the only thing that let them use their existing wands as leg trackers, and it saves them 200 bucks off the price of the upgrade.

12 hours ago i had hopes and optimism about Index.
I feel so tired.

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>999$
at least I'll be able to run games once I can afford the ridiculous price

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no gaems

Them knucks tho

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and no software/games to go with it at launch either, just "sometimes, this year, maybe"

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>>so you enjoy pressing one static button to pick up objects? That doesn't kill the immersion for you?
Yes, and no. It works fine, I hold the grip button it to grab something, let it go to drop it. Works nice and fluidly, lets me throw things, gives me fine control, and means that my controllers aren't strapped to my hands so I can drop them if I want a swig of water or to jerk off or something real quick.

We've all seen the video, buddy. Nothing in that requires finger tracking.

It's overpriced.

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I think this thread needs cheering up. Here's some VR immersive blunder.

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The Vive's wireless add-on works pretty well, you get some minor pixelation due to bandwidth issues and compression, but it's not that bad, and the latency increase isn't noticeable.

Just get a WMR headset, they're retardedly cheap and work excellent for just head tracking in games like Elite Dangerous or racing sims

>They're gonna be in the way for a normal headset
How? You can flip them up. I doubt they'll somehow be in the way more than the strap holding the thing on your head.
>They also only got one aux port
Do you have multiple pairs of ears or something? Are you planning to wear multiple headsets at the same time or what?

Its not about something requiring it, just that it adds to the experience. If everyone thought about technology like you do we'd still be using NES controllers

>lcd screen
>$999 for everything
I love the specs but holy shit there's no way I'm getting that. Oculus's setup is 400, plus 80 if you want a three sensor setup. Index is double that. I hope it becomes cheaper in the future because I love my oculus and this looks like quite an upgrade.

Blew all my money on a PC, so can't afford headset now.

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You don't want to do this, you'll get sick in minutes. You'll also need to buy shitty, buggy software to even run real games in VR, and hope that someone else created a profile you can use to run it. Then you'll get sick anyway because any kind of camera movement outside of your control is a one stop trip to barftown.

VR is only good for sim games and VR games.

same desu

Gonna be truthful and agree with this. They're crazy. Especially for a first run product.

Why are you getting so upset, big guy?

>$1000 for complete kit
I was expecting it to be in the $600 range. $1000 is way too much considering the quality of games coming out recently. I think I'll stick with my Rift and wait for a price drop.

>32 gigs of ram
>an 8 core cpu
You better be an engineer or you are a genuine idiot who loves spending money.

PSVR is selling a ton compared to Valve's and Oculus' efforts (sold more than both combined). Meanwhile Valve's solution is to price their shit even higher.

>Spend about 2 weeks learning to draw anime style at an acceptable level
>Spam Deviantart with your drawings but make them extremely fetishy (mega obese, vore, feet, etc)
>Charge $150/uncolored image for requests
>Open Patreon, everyone that pledges $5 gets to see a random Nintendo character every week made obese and fucked by goblin dick
>Income exceeds $5000/month in just a couple months

the only way

>I love my oculus and this looks like quite an upgrade.
This but eh. Even after reading about all the specs I played some VR on CV1 and never thought "wow this looks terrible I want an upgrade". I can see the faults when I focus on them, but when I"m actually enjoying the game I don't even think about it. I'll pass on this generation.

You're still doing it
Good luck with your life man

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it isn't a consumer oriented product

If the game itself supports it, yes you can. If you want to play some old game which has no support at all, there's some custom shit you can install which may work with some, but probably not everything. There was some program you could buy and it had profiles for games, but I haven't bought it personally, nor have I tried to play games with no VR support in VR.

Don't forget to draw fetishy versions of flavor of the month characters and outfits.

I thought that originally too, but the thing I hate the most on the oculus is the resolution. Index looks to solve that. The combined resolution of both screens on the Oculus is 2.6 million, Index is 4.6 million. Include the fact that it can go to 144 hz and it's a pretty decent upgrade. Doesn't justify it's double the amount in price. It's not even using an OLED screen for god's sake.

And if everyone thought about technology like you do, every game would use wiimotes for wagglan "immersion".

There are upgrades that add significant improvements to gameplay. Lighthouse tracking is in this category, true 1:1 tracking is a game changer. Being able to see your fingers move individually through thin air is a fucking gimmick.

Now, if we were talking about those spider gloves, and they gave you the sensation of holding a gun by creating a rigid 3D model your hand collided with, or a soft breast you can squeeze and feel ripple through the rest of your fingertips, then we might be looking at gamechanging tech for immersion and game interactivity. But current motors and batteries just aren't really good enough for this kind of stuff.

that's weak though, no release lineup = no initial wave of hype. VR already has serious issues with "yeah but why" and "what games are there" and compounding on existing buyer anxieties with your release schedule is stupid.

releasing it now and hoping it gets picked up by our literal meme society several months into its lifespan is cutting yourself off at the knee before a marathon

Never in my experience with VR could I believe that it was a product that would make money. Not before I tried it, not after I tried it, and not now. I don't have all the variables in my hands but I also cannot believe that the people out there with fat stacks of cash bankrolled any of this for any reason besides porn. The porn I get to some degree because it's porn but knowing how shit people treat their possessions I cannot imagine any fuck-rig is going to be cost effective to fix or replace for anybody but the rich.

I don't fucking get it. This product is like the Wii - people will buy it, get hype, and it sits on the shelf for the remainder of its life. Except unlike the Wii it requires effort and costs five times as much so Oprah is hardly going to shill it for you.

So when will Valve start selling their products at a consumer oriented price? Because all the Vive's have been like $600 plus if you want the base stations and controllers for the actual full experience. They've thrown so much effort into the VR game just to gate it at a ridiculous price. And the state of exclusives or really any games for PC VR is a sad state in itself.

hows running desktop in VR now? I remember it being a hassle years ago

So hype for Index. I'd battle any on in MP to celebrate if B&S had any right now.

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I don't play games where extra resolution would have helped the gameplay, and I'm the kind of person who plays old games at their intended resolution & have no problems with it what so ever. That being said, of course I would enjoy my VR games with a higher resolution, but I can barely keep up with 90 FPS on this resolution with medium settings, which means a new PC is required for Index, which doubles the price.

Get fucked you evolutionary reject.

Yes and soon Nintendo will usurp them in number of units sold with some cheap ass comically stupid looking trash hardware, just like they always do

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dont know. dont even know if they want to. they seem more interested in pushing technology than anything else.

>The combined resolution of both screens on the Oculus is 2.6 million, Index is 4.6 million. Include the fact that it can go to 144 hz and it's a pretty decent upgrade.
The resolution bump is less noticeable than you'd think. And you've got to remember that the resolution of the screen isn't even the same thing as the resolution of the device, because all of these products black out a solid 30%+ of the screen because they're just using circular lenses.

You're still going to have significant issues with text and ironsights. You really need 16k resolutions to start seeing noticeable improvements in this kind of stuff, and significant differences in visibility.

>Being able to see your fingers move individually through thin air is a fucking gimmick.
Ah yes because manipulating individual fingers is purely for visual reasons

You call THAT VR? Take a seat, kid. Real VR coming through.

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Valve stuff is pretty easy since its base stations wireless but the price of admission is high. First gen oculus with its wired sensors is a nightmare but it does work. Now theyre releasing a headset that doesnt have sensors at all. So you have some choices

sorry user, but about 6-7 grand plus another +1 for the set itself for shitty videogames just aint happening

god i wish that was me

>they seem more interested in pushing technology than anything else
They only showed up to market with HTC in order to prevent Facebook from getting their hooks in unchallenged
Valve is painfully laissez faire, they wouldn't have done shit if Facebook wasn't such a menace

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I thought the same until I tried it in racing and flight sims using regular peripherals, those are the two genres where it doesn't feel like a gimmick at all.

Pretty sure that is Alana from Funhaus.
Zoe Quinn has resting bitch-face which is a big reason she is the way she is.

wait, are they really going to ship this with NO GAMES, are they mad?

>279 for the controllers

FUCKING BASED
thank fucking god

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Wow it’s shit. Who the fuck is gonna pay for this shit? I’ll just take the knuckles thanks.

How do they keep getting away with it

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I didn't even think about that the corners of the screen are blocked off due to the lenses. Holy shit that feels so cheap.

> cores
It doesnt matter, I've never seen a vr game that needs powerful CPU.
You better make sure that your mobo has enough USB3 ports. 1063 is almost okay for simple games, Beat saber works great even on rx470.

Since this headset runs at 120hz, dumbass.

You're pretty dedicated to window licking aren't ya

>>Ah yes because manipulating individual fingers is purely for visual reasons
It is. I guess you could come up with some system of holding your controller with different fingers as shift functions for a flight sim throttle, but that's seriously the only real world use I can imagine for this shit. I hate to break it to you, but any fine finger based interaction you want to do can be very easily accomplished even better with a static, pointing index finger, with curling it being mapped to the analog trigger. That also gives you a very important benefit of spring based haptic feedback, and a solid detent for activation, 2 features that are totally absent from the knuckles.

No, they showed up to the market with oculus, back before faceburg bought it out.

The PSVR has sold 4.2 million so far. That's huge for a console add-on that's about the same price as the console. But that's because it's the most affordable and offers the best experiences. Yea, I know the graphics aren't up to par with a rig running a 2070 with an i5 or something and some people don't like the tracking method but good exclusives are actually being funded for it and Sony's trying to get as much value with it by focusing on the games and even making it forwards compatible with PS5. Meanwhile Oculus and Valve seem more focused on more expensive, incremental upgrades without giving anyone reason to actually keep upgrading. I think PSVR shows there is a way to make money on VR. It's a shame it seems like the only one succeeding though.

give it a decade this new thot should balloon up, too. i mean zoe quinn came straight out of the fucking porn scene until she got too fat nobody wanted to see her naked anymore despite all these social pushes for BIG CURVY GIRLS (aka man the harpoons)

It's actually ok as a vive remplacement price wise

Literally all electronics incur that mandatory P65 warning.

Like Kennedy's promise of space fulfilled after his departure, this was Iwata's dream his last will and testament carried out. His final dream realized.

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Funny how they're just encouraging people to buy the rift s instead because of the price.

There's literally a single device on the market that actually uses most of its screen real estate, and it's a 5k professional level product that won't even sell to you if you don't have a company to bill it to. That's the only one that's fancy enough for rectangular lenses, and it means the 1440p screens in it will actually offer a higher real resolution than the Index will.

Not to mention all the obvious issues you run into with pixel density towards the edge of an image with circular lenses.

I've taken a box and filled it with an enormous assortment of pebbles from my garden such that anyone who wants to construct patterns with the pebbles to sell photos of won't be limited. Do you prefer paypal or bank transfer for your payment.

What is it like having such a bloated ego you think you're representative of anyone much less people who can actually afford cool things
Enjoy living in a perpetual state of bewilderment as reality whizzes by

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Or you can save 600 dollars and buy the quest instead.

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It does have a trigger under your index finger brother

If you were dumb enough to buy a Vive at launch, maybe. Right now? A Vive is like 300 bucks.

Rift isn't really 2.6M since it's pentile, so you're basically missing subpixels.
>It's not even using an OLED screen for god's sake
That's a good thing, since we now actually have all 3 subpixels per pixel, which will significantly decrease SDE beyond the resolution increase. OLED isn't even that fucking great for VR, I have a Rift and the thing is incapable of actually displaying black because Oculus made it so it never turns the pixels off because OLED suffers from black smear. What's even worse is that in low-light conditions the thing isn't even uniform, you see brighter areas, dots and cloud-like shapes because there's no brightness uniformity. There's some shit you can turn off and get it pretty much uniform, but even then it isn't actually complete black and if you do that you also lose color calibration and everything gets a magenta tint. It's honestly pretty shitty. It's really not so great once you add the pentile SDE and various glows/beams due to the lenses on top of this shit as well, image quality is quite ass overall.

Also these LCDs run at 120-144Hz, which no OLED headset supports for some reason. If all it takes is a slight increase in black level (which isn't really black anyway) I'd gladly take LCD over OLED and get better refresh rate, better resolution and much less SDE.

Rift has it built-in, it works from the Rift software. It's fine, you get to see monitors are fuckhuge surfaces in front of you which you can move and resize, but resolution and sharpness are so shit that even when my 4K monitor is blown up to wall-size in front of me the text is hard to read. There's also a virtual keyboard for typing. It works fine if you need to use the desktop for something quick but don't want to bother taking the headset off, wouldn't use it for anything else.

So I won't be replacing my 139$ Lenovo Explorer then. VR being expensive is a meme, and the WMR stuff is brain-dead easy to setup.

We need eye tracking and higher FOV before I think about buying a new headset that costs as much as a computer. Also the Base Station/Lighthouse stuff is absolutely fucking stupid, I'm amazed that WMR works so well without having any of that. You can literally plug it into a laptop, stand in a school field at night, and walk around in full immersion.

Name a few worthy uses of individual finger tracking that can be used for gameplay that are not point/thumbs up/fist/grab which oculus controller does already.

>It costs $1,000 and has no games.
Who could have seen this coming? This is totally out of the ordinary for VR.

Palmer plz could you not. Also when you coming back to VR? Will we care when you do? Should we care when you do?

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>5'10

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is it possible to get used to the motion sickness in old games?

one of the things I really wanna do with a headset is play Quake in VR

>Who is this headset for?
It's exactly like everything else Valve makes. It's for Valve employees.

>probably still OLED
Isn't oled is the best screen type? They've put LCD instead now.

I just spent 150$ in gabebux on skins so i'll have to wait until i can complete my set or upgrade my hardware

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Quake doesn't need shitty hacks for VR, there's a version of Quake with proper VR support.

>steamcels will defend this

It's clearly not deliberate but Valve is too slow to capitalize on the Rift S being such a stinker and they're not stupid enough to blow millions on subsidizing high end hardware just for a small chance of market dominance like Zuck did (and ultimately failed at)
I don't think it matters though, Rift S only exists to funnel people to Quest and anyone who can be coaxed away from open PCVR into a Facebook closed ecosystem is hopeless anyway

They just need to find a way to squeeze Pavlov on this thing and then I’m pre-ordering. Pavlov TTT was so much fun before I sold my Rift.

Sorry, it turns out chasing Mexicans was my true calling all along

The old games have to be ported specifically for VR

People have done it for Doom, Quake, Doom 3 with proper hand tracking etc

If you want to just plug a regular flatscreen game into your face DONT

On the top of my head I can think of Naruto VR (or generally casting spells that require individual finger movement), switching weapons in Metroid Prime? and playing an instrument. My issue with the instrument though is that the Kunckles' finger tracking doesn't seem to be exactly 1:1 so any sort of dexterous manipulation seems infeasible.

to be fair the CPU is kinda meh but the GPU shouldn't be an issue at all

If I want full-body tracking will this new gen item have that or do i still need a Vive?

Rift S is so disappointing I literally wouldn't use it for free. I'd continue using my old CV1 instead, fuck that piece of garbage.

I got over it in like a month

Updating this. What should I put for Index?

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never gets old. falling in slow motion lol

>If you want to just plug a regular flatscreen game into your face DONT
It's not that bad unless you're one of those zoomer pricks who think Beat Saber is the pinnacle of gaming

>So there is a focus adjustment, then?
>Because whenever I care to look, I find out that there isn't any.
Right, because there isn't and everyone who's saying wearing eyeglasses in VR is totally fine are full of shit.

Gabe himself said in 2017 that they're aiming on delivering a high end headset.
>REE WHY IS THIS THING ISN'T A CHINK MADE 200$ HEADSET BUNDLED WITH HL3??
Fucking retarded faggots.

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It's all just lighthouse based so Index will do trackers
Trackers are an absolute price gouged kike component atm though, better off waiting for the community or some third party to hack something together

I'm more than willing to do this.
Going back to study for my art college exam.
Thanks, user.

What's wrong with Beat Saber? Is it bad because it's popular?

m8

its coming with a flagship VR game made by valve

its 90% portal 3 and 10% hlvr

That is my point. It seems too fine for just grabbing stuff and pushing buttons/pulling levers (what you will be doing in 99.9% of the games), but not fine enough to do the fancy pen tricks with your fingers for example.

Only the last one of those sounds fun, but yeah, it's totally infeasible. Could be a neat tech demo though.

The problem is that you can very easily do this stuff with menus, which are far more precise and less prone to false positives, which is always going to be an issue with knuckles because the way they track is very basic and based on prediction. If you shift your hands in a weird way, if you move your middle finger to the trigger because you want to claw grip a button on the top of the controller with your index, the system will become completely fucking lost. At best, your fingers die, at worst, you manage to activate the NTR jutsu and get cucked.

i know the feel user.

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It's not bad, but it's not the killer app be-all-end-all of VR gaming that nerds claim it to be.

It's a short, enjoyable rhythm game. Nothing more.

Audio looks like shit, oh well as long its backwards compatible with all Vive games it wont be a problem.

Find some Yea Forums post of a retard in the archive saying he thinks Index is going to retail for 600 bucks tops, along with a coupon code for the Orange Box 2 which comes with HL3, a VR exclusive.

It's overrated and just a lousy rhythm game and beat saber fags don't seem to understand that a lot of people have zero interest in it and a lot of beat saber fags have zero interest in anything else VR

with the oculus glasses are totally fine, unless you have huge onions glasses. which I have and it still works.
my friend has even huger onions glasses and he just bought a small $7 frame from an online store so he could use them in vr

dont know how the vive or index handles glasses

will this shit have some native integration for non vr games to play in some sort of vr mode? otherwise im sticking with my rift v2

>all their users are mad because of exclusives
>valve releases an overpriced vr set

With Index you can adjust how close the lenses are to your eyes, so you might be able to push them back and have your glasses fit.

>that guy in the back who just noticed the VR guy give the signal for the distraction and starts emptying the banks tills

Oh okay. I'll drop a grand on faith that Valve will actually ship a title that isn't Loot Box: The Game sometime in the future. I'm sure I won't get burned.

>a lot of beat saber fags have zero interest in anything else VR
Not true, they also enjoy jerking each other off in VRChat.

What the heckin fuck does that have to do with the hardware?

It's a poor rhythm game made even worse by the fact it's the Osu of VR. Lots of terrible custom beatmaps with note spam out the ass, no good curation or sensible search options.

The game also feels less and less precise the more you play it, it's so easy to fool the detection which is way too lenient, and also not at all timing based. Trying to get a high score is also an easy way to break your fucking wrists because of the terrible scoring system that actually manages to be the worst I've ever seen in a rhythm game.

>knuckles controllers not even compatible to use with your rift
FUCK YOU

I have plenty of money, I'm not throwing it away on this when the games are trash.

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I stand corrected

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a lot

Imagine what could have been...
youtube.com/watch?v=UthQ2gR1bU4

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me on the left

That's really Oculus' fault. Don't expect compatibility, Faceberg clearly wants to cordon everything off and make their own walled garden to milk retards. Oculus might not have wanted that back when they were designing CV1, but that's clearly where things are going now.

gabe has alzheimers

Does that include PC?

no shit
they use light house

>Rift
Not even oculus cares about you anymore

Draw feet.
But no really work in anything that doesn't involve dealing with clients or dealing with other workers.

I don't think it's a poor rhythm game. It's one of the most fun and immersive rhythm game where you can easily get in the rhythm and want to dance to the tune. Slicing notes to the music is just one of the most satisfying things. You're a lot more involved in the music in comparsion to other games where you're just pressing keys on a keyboard or controller.

>$999
fucking ouch.
I'll stick to me $200 psvr, thanks. It gets pretty much every major vr title that isn't some garbage indie shit anyway.

That's actually fair. I have seen some incredibly dedicated setups to play racing games and flight simulators in homes. VR easily would help those people

>4.2 million
That's surprisingly impressive.

Osu is actually in VR

>>knuckles controllers not even compatible to use with your rift
What did you expect? Buy into a shitty system, get shitty support.

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i just want my knuckles controllers mang, looks so cool in that one tech demo

Hey at least virtual boy had games.Galactic Pinball is the jam

psvr is a joke
literally 2010 tech

>muh vive
it's not better at any point

As someone who plays good rhythm games like IIDX, it's a poor rhythm game.

It's probably the best western rhythm game, but that really isn't high praise.

>Knuckles controllers have no games
Doesn't really matter what headset they work with when there's nothing to use them on.

>still making vr headsets that require you to be plugged into your pc
VR will not take off until it is wireless. The future of VR is things like the Quest, not this bronze age trash that normies will never accept.

>Oculus might not have wanted that back when they were designing CV1, but that's clearly where things are going now.
Palmer Luckey got expelled by Facebook because he wanted to open Oculus Store to Vive headsets and was going ahead with it even though Valve understandably didn't trust them anymore
The political bullshit was just an excuse like it always is. What a naive dumbass though, to think he'd have any say on where Oculus goes after selling out to the worst tech company in existence.

*ahem*

FUCK SKEPTICS AND FUCK POORFAGS

THE TECH HAS TO BE PUSHED FORWARD

WHO /ENTHUSIAST/ HERE?

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I hate that wording about FOV, the fact that they don't give a number makes me nervous

Alright, maggots, line up! Who here can list me the 5 D's?

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ZUCC'D

Already was
Have no reason to buy this though because no eye tracking

Yeah okay kid, I'm sure people have written very glowing reviews about Fruit Ninja
You dumbasses are an embarrassment to VR, it's fine to enjoy mass appeal trash but stop pretending it's high art

Rift sensor tracking is hot garbage, and gives variance and jitter that's totally unacceptable to anyone with more than 2 braincells.

It's no better than PSVR, which was no better than the PS Move, which was only a mild improvement on Eyetoy.

That's what you're using, 20 year old tech.

Just use Linux my man.

Does it use the proof of concept sound processing system used in CS:GO that drains your framerate?

>It's no better than PSVR,
delusional

>not available in Canada
In some ways I am glad. I built a buybot that would order the Index bundle within a few seconds after it was listed on steam, but I was hoping it would be around $700USD or less for the bundle. I expected valve to sell it subsidized because they could recuperate the cost with their 30% cost from steam games. It was going to be an impulse buy, but now I just feel apathy. Maybe I will look into the Reverb or quest[/quest] if it gets lots of pirated apps.

Well, which is it?

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The problem is the Index doesn't push ahead shit, it's just a nice headset at an unappealing price. Completely underwhelming, what was the need for the total information blackout up to this point?

It's some bizarre shit

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Damn
Dude
Dodge
Dem
Dunks

offer your virgin boipucci at the next brothel

>15-20 poorfags are interested but can't afford
>One richfag can afford it

This is why VR will never take off.

Those figures were some random guy's speculation before anyone takes this too seriously

140° that can be reduced.

I played all sort of rhythm games myself but what is "good" isn't limited to how good the scoring system is and how difficult is. At the end of the day, it's how much it gets you into the music, how much you like the music and how fun it is when you're hitting the notes. If a game gives you full immersion to songs and you feel full satisfaction from hitting the notes, then to me that's great. I never felt this way for any other rhythm games.

>What a naive dumbass though, to think he'd have any say on where Oculus goes after selling out to the worst tech company in existence.
I can hardly imagine him being that naive, fuck knows though. Maybe something else was going on or there was too much pressure from people with their eyes on money.

Reverb doesn't even have adjustable IPD, I wouldn't even consider it unless you're certain its default IPD matches yours.

Too bad the hardware side is the only part growing while the software side is stagnating hard. The only thing exciting coming out is Boneworks and that doesn't even have a release date yet.

Why are boomers so fucking retarded

This is 100% true but no one on the Internet will admit it because muh PC Master Race shit.

VR needs to be low-spec (or at least not so demanding) and wireless, with some sort of anti-SDE and Godray mitigation tech.

Anyone who thinks that selling high-end headsets to people who already have existing SteamVR setups will help grow the overall VR ecosystem is fucking retarded.

>HTC Vive was $800 3 years ago
>Don't worry guys, VR will go down in price while getting more advanced
>Valve releases their VR
>$1000

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Index isn't the only game in town and if you can't afford a $300 Odyssey+ just fuck off you have nothing to offer society you gay peruvian

>higher res
>higher FOV
>knuckles
>new base stations
>dual front cameras
>better headphones

FUCK CASUALS

LITERALLY THE CONSOLEFAGS OF VRs

Pretty sure a lot of the top players uses an oculus for Beat saber which is a good game to test the tracking.

so i was a NEET for 7 years and finally got a good paying job recently. Finally worked alot of OT too...should i go for it?

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Motivation for poorfags to get a real job.

>>Too bad the hardware side is the only part growing
The hardware side is just as stagnant. A slight increase in resolution? Vive wands but now with joysticks?

This is not growth. This is incremental bullshit.

At this rate, there is no possible reason to upgrade from VR gen 1 until gen 4 at the absolute earliest.

>The only thing exciting coming out is Boneworks
i hate to be that guy, but bonework's tech is the only exciting part about it. the little gameplay segment they've shown looked pretty dire t b h.
it's almost like it's a tech-demo

>new base stations
>dual front cameras
>better headphones

None of those matter to the pricing.

They are charging over $800 for a better screen and the new controllers.

Don't you own a phone?

I mean it's doing what any other tech does

Buy stocks instead. Just not VR stocks because that shits a meme gimmick fad that is already over.

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Beat saber is a terrible game to test tracking, there's no precision involved.

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yeah. im likely going to put alot of it into mutual funds. i can easily live off 10% of my paycheck

>slightly bigger numbers
Yes yes it's nice and totally expected but Index was supposed to be the messiah that would slay the Facebook dragon for good
Instead it's just a slight iterative upgrade, big fucking whoop de doo. Maybe Zuck will even reconsider abandoning PCVR if THIS is the level of competition Valve can muster
I'm going to buy Index but holy shit Valve is a disappointment as usual

The fuck is a base station?

>It's no better than PSVR
So it's no better than the tracking system used on the world's most popular VR platform? The one that has the best games and the most robust dev support? The one that has more than quadruple the install base of its competitors?

Were you trying to state a negative? Sure as shit doesn't sound like it.

If you have no other VR system and a decent PC, yeah go for it.

Not disagreeing with you there, that just shows how bad it's stagnating when the only reason people are excited for a game is because of the tech and not the gameplay.

I mean VR is really fun this disappointing entry aside
Sense of presence is fucking nuts and you can be like youtube.com/watch?v=NspPu01hKWs

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their new console

The latter, unless you consider physics demos and unreleased physics demos to be "games"

I did the ruler trick when I tried the O+ for 30 days. I think I am around 65mm so it should be okay.

Then its just $780 not $1,000.

base station spits out ir light
headset/controllers use that light to calculate where they are

wew that's a real race to the bottom mentality
Not even the guy you're squabbling with but lets not pretend PSVR's tracking is remotely adequate or else you better start praising Labo VR because SALES NUMBERS WOW

base station 2

>make a card game
>have to buy it and it is harder
>make a VR
>have it be more expensive and claim "we're solving the OTHER end of the problem"
Has valve gone insane?

This is not meant for zoomers.
We grown men have dreamed of a VR future since the 80's. And we're going to get it KID.

Omae Wa Mou mukindesu

What are you poor?

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yes

Get a Quest then. It's a great option if you can't afford full fat VR.

You forgot the pointless steam machines push which flopped hard.

Can i just buy the controllers and use them with my Vive?

I'm totally on board with Index but I'll wait for interesting games before picking one up.

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It’s stil 550 leafcuck bucks, and that’s for the 64GB version

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If your vision of a VR future was a fucking sweaty headset and waving around wiimotes, then you're dumber than the zoomers you hate.

VR right now is a very basic arcadey experience at home. It's nothing even CLOSE to the promised land.

>buying a smartphone
>buying a console
>buying a console online subscription
>not buying all your games on sell

IF YOU DO ANY OF THE ABOVE YOU DON'T DESERVE TO COMPLAIN THE INDEX IS TOO EXPENSIVE RETARDS

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No, I just already own an HTC Vive which I preordered for $800.

I'm interested in the knuckles though, might buy them separate.

Yes, but paying 300 dollars for analog sticks puts you in severe danger of being branded a retard for life.

It's good enough to see a 4 million+ install base and actual compelling content, user.

Let's be real here. "Muh tracking" is just an argument SteamVR Drones make when they're confronted with that fact that their platform (and roomscale in general) has failed. They cling to the tracking argument because they have nothing.

>I saw some arcadey games so vr must be arcadey

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I've never really had a problem with PSVR's tracking. It's somehow this fact because some people had trouble with it around launch. It's more than adequate for the price that it is. Devs are even finding a way to get 360 degrees tracking to work. They're going out of their way to achieve these things solely because PSVR has the only audience actually buying the games and Sony funding them.

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>2013 Moto G
>Broken Switch for $50 that got fixed with $5 flux and a $15 90W iron
>Nope
>Buying games

What the fuck went wrong with PCVR

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what game is this? don't say "Pirates VR" because that doesn't involve jumping

>implying psvr tracking isn't bad
It wasn't even designed for vr, this is literally wii tier tech converted into vr
HOW CAN THIS BE GOOD

PC will be able to emulate these games soon, just give it some time

I basically exclusively play H3VR and have been very happy with it

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1 step at a time FUCKO

This isn’t going to work lmao

is H3VR even a game? I played an early version and it was just a boring target range

I own VR, so I know the games are arcadey.

There's nothing in VR I could bear to play for more than maybe 3 hours straight. Honestly, calling VR arcadey is kind of an insult to arcade games, because they at least had difficulty. It's more like the baby rides at Disneyland.

>Spend about 2 weeks learning to draw anime style at an acceptable level
guides to do this in 2 weeks?
would unironically do it if it took only this long

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Custom beatmaps that have good flow to them really make Beat Saber shine
Thing is that other guy might have a point about curation, i have to just run through the BeatSaver website and try each highest-rated song down the list and have to delete the ones that dont seem to flow well

>HOW CAN THIS BE GOOD
The numbers don't lie. Games are being funded, games are being shipped, games are being bought. Can you say that about SteamVR?

It's almost like roomscale, sub-millimeter tracking is an unnecessary burden that nerds only proclaim to be essential to VR because it has the Valve Seal of Approval.

>3 games

You seem to imply the games shown are bad when they clearly are not
Are you retarded?
Also GTS is strait up a bad game, AC7's vr is too limited and is rumored to be on pc soon anyway, and RE7 is also a limited exclusive.

honestly at this point i'm pretty convinced that VR will not take off take off until all of the following criteria have been met:

>4k/eye
>140ish FOV
>eye tracking + out of the box foveated rendering support from unity and unreal
>boneworks-esque reverse IK systems out of the box in unreal and unity
>wireless + inside out tracking
>hardware mitigation for vestibular conflict
>sub $400
>mid-tier pc recc spec / console

talented devs have no incentive to spend time and money slaving away for years on games when valve's shitting out headsets for fundies and bachelors

*straight sorry, I'm not native

Watch the webm you replied to and find out

What GPUs can do 4k@144Hz?

>is H3VR even a game?
By VR standards? Yes.

By non-gimmick standards? Absolutely not.

still looks just like a boring target range

>Everyone criticized HTC Vive for being $800 on release
>Valve's VR is going to be $1000

The new Vive Pro has the exact same 2880x1600 resolution as the index.
You are paying $200 more for slightly bigger fov and knuckle controllers.

Hell you have the option to pay for wireless attachment for the Vive Pro, Index is going to be come wired.

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I only want Wipeout from PS4 tbqh and there's a bunch of similar future racing already here
Maybe Dreams if it has VR because LBP was very comfy

Barely. Imagine the most surface level "gun" simulator imaginable with some really crappy AI targets.

Honestly, I was absolutely blown away by how bad H3VR was. I didn't really look at anything going into it, and I assumed it had some neat autismo features like being able to dismantle and reassemble your guns, fit custom springs to adjust your trigger pull, slide feed bullets like Ocelot, and then I started it up and found out it was just a bog fucking standard shooting range with a mediocre selection of boring weapons we've all seen a million times before.

none of them. hence the eye tracking + foveation to bring min specs down. also, i'm asking for 8k @ min 90hz.

This is a gun sim, if you're not into that fuck off and play something else.

>What GPUs can do 4k@144Hz?
Something something poorfag buy a penta-SLI RTX 2090ti or something.

>buying games

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No you fucking retard, remember how hard it is it to earn money and stop. Buy mid range shit, always. That's a rule. For consoles, 3 years into a gen, no earlier. Be reasonable.

This 20 degrees more means 10 degrees more each side? I just want to no fucking screendoor and to be able to see out the corner of my eye.

You'll think it's a meme until you try it. VR is getting pretty damn good.

>Assetto Corza
>DCS/VTOL VR/X-Plane
>h3vr

B-But if you already have a Vive it's only a 500 dollar upgrade instead of 800 bucks! What a saving!

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The Vive Pro is $800 for the headset alone, the entire package has a MSRP of well over $1000

VRChat and Pavlov are fahnny Youtube games. Nobody actually plays that shit.
Not sure about the other two

No fucking way you will get even half of that for under $400

All VR needs is a medium tier pc that can run a high resolution and fov headset. PSVR is considered the best price per performance right now which makes sense because it's outsold the vive and oculus.

>boneworks-esque reverse IK systems out of the box in unreal and unity
>wireless
>sub $400
>mid-tier pc recc spec / console
The ones that matter. Making it easier for devs guarantees plenty of meme games get made. Mid-tier specs means those meme games can be easily streamed/made into Youtube videos. Wireless makes it less of a hassle to play. Reasonable price puts it within reach of the people watching those videos/streams.

I thought it was a meme until I tried it, and then I knew it was a total meme. It actually managed to impress me even less than I thought it would, which is impressive in its own way because I really didn't have many expectations. I thought at the very least, SteamVR would be usable. Oh, how wrong I was.

wow, sounds great, here's my $1000 to preorder hardware that MIGHT have a SINGLE good game for it EVENTUALLY

As always, Valve has failed to make an appealing product. Typical of Valve to ignore video games in favor of failing pursuits that nobody ever wanted. Go fuck yourself Valve and go slam your ass down on a cactus Gabe, nobody asked for your anti-consumer bullshit.

i'm not asking for it now.
i'm not expecting it for another 5 years at a minimum.

>black magic
Watch it, user

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>fuck off and play something else.
Seems as though the entire video game consumer market took your advice, user.

>these games are bad because youtubers play them
Don't play them then, prevent yourself from having fun retard

>controllers 279$
mega yikes. was hoping to get away with just grabbing those first but christ thats pushing it

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Does it have roomscale without the base stations or do you need them

You just didn't have a good experience. When I first tried it I got to look at VR porn, and it got pretty immersive when one of the guys working the stall started sucking my cock at the same time I was watching some whores suck cock on the headset.

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Not only that, but by selling headsets to people who already own one, Valve is growing VR at exponential rates!

>press release that isn't streamed
Why is Valve so out of touch?

>mfw backed some random chink vr kickstarter for 350
>it's better

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no base station = no tracking at all.
you might as well tape a monitor to your face.

haha.
I meant there are other vr games to play.

You need them for this to work, they're not optional.

Well it has a plank so it's kinda Piratey youtube.com/watch?v=4M92kfnpg-k.

Do PSVR have porn?
All I'm interested in desu.

>>This is a gun sim
On a device that can't even simulate iron sights, the sight picture is literally unreadable on 80% of the handguns. By a dev who implements new guns as lazily as possible, each one is just an animated slide with a detachable magazine.

In a set of gun ranges that don't even offer a reasonable amount of customisation, or even anything fun like score tracking. Hell, you can't even spawn in guns with infinite ammo.

get math degree any job you want 300k starting

enjoy your shit-tier tracking

>Was waiting for cheapo vr headset for vrchat with my friends

>Instead of being cheap valve make an expensive one

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Kiss Nintendo's feet then dumbass, they're the king of racing to the bottom while drawing massive profits on every unit while Sony just wishes they could compete while subsidizing hardware and scrabbling to recoup the loss elsewhere
Labo VR is the future amirite :^)

>As always, Valve has failed to make an appealing product.
Oh, it appeals to someone. That someone being Valve employees.

This is what Valve does and has been doing for several years now. SteamOS, Meme Controller, Steam Machines, Artifact, VR. None of these appeal to anyone outside of people with huge beards who work in tech and say "open" a lot.

Valve employees make products for Gabe, so they have an influential sponsor on their side when their employee reviews come up. Gotta grab those sweet bonuses.

Buy a Vive or Rift from an early adopter retard who has had theirs sat in a drawer for the past 3 years, then. They'll be upgrading to this turd, after all, so they'll all be listed on eBay for next to nothing, and you won't even need a PC upgrade to run them.

>1070 with i5
>can run VR perfectly according to benchmarks

Index is 1440p/eye 120hz(144hz "experimental") 120fov

5 years maybe if you get rid of the wireless and eye tracking requirements.

I'll stick with my Rift, thanks. I wonder if there will be a way to use the Knuckles controllers with Rift though.

50% of the work is overcoming the simple mental barrier that you're "drawing a thing" and instead realizing you're "drawing lines that look like thing"
After that you just get good at drawing those lines and you can draw anything

just buy a basic Vive, then wait and see if you can buy the newest headset that will be released in the future

VR is good, but its not something people wanna pay $1500+ (assuming this steamVR thing also pushes for a PC upgrade) for.

Even HL3 wouldn‘t drive people to pay that kind of money for just one game.

>a countdown for a pre-order
Is this what gaming as a culture come to?
I really cant wait for the pre-order pre-order special, where you can pre-order before the ability to pre-order is released, so you can skip having to pre-order the game

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Ace Combat has three missions that are 10 minutes long each.

He didn't said draw good.

I've got a Vive Pro it really makes a difference when firing some guns (e.g. battle rifles because they are long) . The Index will have the same resolution and it will be a worthy upgrade from a vive if you are into H3VR

Buy WMR they are usually on sale for 150 with controllers. Literally a steal for basic VR

>buy used
>buy cheaper one
>buy one of those windows mixed reality ones
>use a smartphone with cardboard and those crappy apps
>buy previous generation (well, that's only rift dk2 for now)
there are so many ways to solve your problem

vrchat really sells those headsets, isn't it? i've played some pavlov and servers are always full of furries with their furry avatars, who most likely got tired of their erp and came here to play

Same tech you dingus it just piggybacks lighthouse tracking

Is my new 1650 enough.

>Sony just wishes they could compete
Sony is the largest presence in the VR space and this is not up for debate.

>game
A-user, I...

>I've got a Vive Pro it really makes a difference when firing some guns
This is probably true.

But it's nowhere near a worthy upgrade. 500 bucks for a slightly better sight picture? Are you out of your fucking mind?

I'm not spending another 500 bucks on VR until we have 16k screens with foveated rendering.

>according to benchmarks
I have news for you...

Agreed, but we need to focus on better headsets before cheaper ones. Costs can come down, first impressions matter and all these dumb fucking arm based ghetto headsets are gonna turn people off.

Its called inflation MORON

You're being pretty unfair. The guns get their mechanic specifics implemented when they apply - down to the wonky shit like the Famas and L85 having two fire selectors, there is a virtual stock system which works with retractable stocks and the very detailed recoil system

Poor iron sights is something only better displays can fix - and the virtual stock helps use sights and scopes much better than most VR games implement it

For the gun ranges check out the recent devlogs - the guy working on it is just about finished working on a proper take and hold mode with AIs that flank, take cover etc

I just like VR chat alot because it's the first time I've ever had decent conversations with people. I made so many friends who just like talking about random stuff like Vidya and anime that I can't talk about with my coworkers.

absolutely, i'm running vr on 1060 and i have no problems with anything. i can't vouch for vrchat performance because i haven't tried it out, but if it's not terribly optimized, it should run like a dream

Only because Nintendo let them have their time in the sun.
But it's over now, PSVR will be eclipsed by cardboard origami bird ass forever. Numbers don't lie and Nintendy will shift so many units it will make your head spin
Unless maybe there's more to the real world than raw numbers on a chart...? naahhh

Dude I get PSVR (and probably Quest) are great for the VR industry as a whole, but there's no way I'd prefer it over what I've got in PCVR

That ain't saying much about PSVR.

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They say you will get motion sickness at low resolutions. It's not issue of aesthetics.

Having used several stationless setups, I don't want the stations to go away anytime soon. We are not there just yet and the Oculus S is the first showing of that. This problem of having to set up stations is a problem only people that can't afford the Index would have, a space/owning of home issue.

Oh? This "game" is on the cusp of implementing NPCs that don't just stand there? Fucking killer app of the century. I'm pre-ordering an Index right now.

Enjoy having your retinal scans sent to the Chinese government

why would people who play videogames want to invest in a platform with virtually zero games

REVII is the only one on Playstation I want on PC. Bu tI thought it was out already. Pavlov is actually really good, and something like Elite Dangerous fits VR more than Ace Combat (not that I dont love both) hell even Elite Dangerous ahs more VR content than Ace combat anyway.

>want to buy this
>working man with above average income
>but because I live in the eastern EU it's monopoly money when it comes to tech
I do have the money tho, it would just be an uncomfortable chunk of my savings. Especially that the PC I have is the absolute minimum that can run VR, which means this is an absolute waste without upgrading.
Also I'm waiting with the purchase because I have this mental illness called being a Linux user.

I don't get any discomfort at oculus cv1 resolution

>the guy working on it is just about finished working on a proper take and hold mode with AIs that flank, take cover etc
I don't want that. All I want is some paper targets with an in-game timer and a score display.

The mechanical specifics of each gun aren't that difficult to implement. I would much, much rather have a tenth of the guns with an autistic level of detail than the current crop of guns with their very simplistic levels of detail. There's a lot of fun gun stuff you can do in VR, and H3VR is just a very basic one man indie effort without a lot of soul.

When I compare it to something like My Summer Car, it just seems pitiful.

I sold my Rift to my best bro and had my mind set on buying a Index, but 1079 euros is way too much. Gonna get a Rift S myself.

Just make sure you are in the right IPD range since they threw physical IPD adjustment out the Windows with the Rift S.

Every VR game has a "base" setup mode for input. Meaning they are ready for any input that calls itself the proper button or switch or sensor. I can only name a few that failed doing this (fallout 4 at first is one, but they fixed that).

Meaning if you wanted, you could make your own controller in the basement of your home and it would work with vr games. The biggest issue is making sure the mapping is accurate for button placement, which I doubt any devs would have NOT done. They would get a free set of knuckles controllers, and it would take a few hours to setup for most people (even unity has hotswap development input)

>zero games
>multiple exemples of worthwhile games
>z-zero games

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I have more games in VR than I do on ps4 desu. (17>15)

You're being disingenuous, there's a lot of games. Too many in fact, most of them suck just as most of anything sucks but there's enough gems to subsist on not to mention the shit going down in the true indie/modding sphere.
It's fun, sorry you can't partake. It must be painful and hard to ignore.

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Haswell I5 and 1070 16GB 1866MHz here, no problems with Vive, VRChat shits the bed randomly though.

But the guns are already very detailed, what more are you looking for? Disassembly?

No since it performs like a 1050Ti but worse.
Should have bought a 570 or a 1660.

More like Knuckles controllers don't support the lighthouses. You can't blame Oculus for 2.5 years later Valve releasing something that doesn't work with one of the two standards.

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You think some IR LEDs would be enough to illuminate the Rift S to work in the dark or is this a lost cause?

>More like Knuckles controllers don't support the lighthouses
What? But Knuckles does support Lighthouse. What does Lighthouse even have to do with Oculus?

lol. poor people trying to flex with their credit debt.

Hold the fuck up, it doesn't work in the dark?
Bruhhhh

did you have a fucking stroke? Are you retarded?

??
Oculus never used lighthouses, the Knuckles are compatible with 1.0 lighthouses.

It's inside out tracking what the fuck did you expect