What is the absolute worst game you have ever played that people genuinely defend?
The Silver Case is irredeemable trash. It's 20 hours of edgy one liners from a wooden cast consisting entirely of detective drama stereotypes. It has a high school midwit level of understanding towards things like memetics and culture. It has the most repulsive gameplay in existence (slowly pacing around low poly 3D rooms in order to solve braindead puzzles on the opposite side) to pad sections between meaningless drivel VN segments that tell an incomprehensible and half finished story. The first story was so bad that I did not even bother playing the second one. I am convinced that the fans fill up the empty story with whatever their mind finds amazing and fascinating, as the story pretends to be some profound postmodern psychological drama about the internet.
What is the absolute worst game you have ever played that people genuinely defend?
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Suda thread?
So what would be the best way to give Travis access to a silver eye in the future? And should his recent scar mark that he already has one, how did he get it?
>The first story was so bad that I did not even bother playing the second one.
You're supposed to play them in tandem you moron. Transmitter is the vague, passing glance at the events while Placebo is a reporter studying the events going down and basically explaining the plot to players who don't quite understand while filling in details.
The translation is painfully bad, and the "gameplay" is pointless, but it's a well written VN if you don't fuck up and read chapters 1, 3, 5, 7, etc.
this baby is wasted on you
It's supposed to denote he has a silver eye. He probably killed some important dude and took it, like Tokio.
>It's called Transmitter because it conveys all the necessary information.
>It's called Placebo because it "explains" things, but you already knew all of these facts. The explanations only serve to make you confident enough to put that information together.
>Silver Eyes make you immortal
>Kamui and the mayor died so people got to steal their eyes
>Tsuki kills Osato even though he has lmao 2 hyena eyes
Suda-written Transmitter is everything you've described.
Ooka-written Placebo, however, is legitimately good.
Don't know if the worst, but El Shaddai and Knack are definitely horrible.
It's quite surprising how much better translations get in both TSC's and 25W's Placebos and in 25W's Matchmaker. You know, translations made by the exact same guy who translated TSC's Transmitter and 25W's Correctness.
Almost as if the translation itself was fine all along, and what was actually painfully bad was Suda's '"writing'" itself.
I honestly pity Ooka. I mean, arranging those mindfarts into a semblance of a coherent story and even managing to convey personal meanings through that must've been excruciatingly hard.
It makes you immortal, not invincible
Dude, don't. TSC's translation is way worse than 25W's. I don't know if it was rushed or what, but the syntax is lacking as fuck, there's a lot of dropped fucking implications here and there, many fucking lines are so fucking literal they don't make any fucking sense unless you already have a decent fucking grasp on Japanese yourself and can guess what they're actually fucking saying, and every single negative FUCKING thing is replaced with FUCK FUCK FUCKSHITDICKS FUCK.
Maybe Suda directly oversaw the localization of TSC and not 25W? Maybe there was more time to do a few drafts on 25W since it was a more extensive recreation and thus had more time in the oven? I'll lean towards the latter given there's also plenty of punctuation and grammar problems in TSC.
Okay. Is the untranslated adventure game essential to the story of Kill the Past?
The PC version of this went on sale is it the most up to date version?
Matchmaker is probably the worst written thing in either game. It's not quite Nasu level, but it sure isn't Ooka or Suda.
The first chapter of TSC is a huge fuck you to people who played the Syndrome games because he kills literally every survivor except for the one everyone hates but it's not a huge deal if you don't know about them.
Fire Emblem Fates. All of it.
Which one?
It's a 20 year old visual novel and the HD re-release is the only time it's ever been in English, so that question's kinda moot.
Unrinocally the game is too smart for people like you. Go back to fornite, brainlet.
Ah alright thanks I'm exited to play it!
>Make thread to talk about game
>Nobody responds
>Someone makes a rant about it being garbage
>People have an active discussion
Only waifufags have circlejerk threads.
It's a really effective way of starting the game and has a lot of lasting significance when you revisit it, though. And it was supposed to be that bitch that was gonna die in the first place, but Suda decided she should be in FSR.
I remember there was some sociologists that said that if you wanted a response online you should give out a false or demeaning statement about said subject, cause then everyone would rush to correct you and try to out you in your place.
The few fans who exist have nothing to say if OP says the game is good.
Eh?
Matchmaker was actually quite well put together, I thought. Well, the middle chapters drag, but the ending chapter comes together nearly perfectly. It's just the message itself is quite questionable.
I would actually be interested in discussing it in greater detail?
How come TSC's Placebo is fine then?
Not him but Matchmaker is pretty stupid at some points.
>Criminal power is a literal resource that you can harvest
>Osato has two silver eyes and is the son of Sundance Shot (who is basically a god), dies easily
>First half is about a conspiracy to summon Kamui, this is suddenly dropped and replaced with a story where all the villains are suddenly Yakuza working for Kurumizawa
>Evil Yakuza leader has the world's dumbest motive that doesn't relate to themes at all he's just a perverted sadist who gets off on Tsuki being upset
>Doesn't really intersect with the other two storylines in any meaningful way beyond one scene with Tokio and Tsuki offing the mayor
I liked the dynamics between the two protagonists, though. And it has the best music of the three stories overall.
It has similar problems (there's a whole load of fucked text when examining the stuff in Tokio's room, actually), just not as many because it's easier prose to translate. You can even see the same problems come back in the Placebo chapters when Kusabi's talking or during The Bat's sections.
I'll freely admit that Suda's writing in 25W is worse than in TSC. TSC Transmitter got kinda messed up in translation (it was never flawless, don't get me wrong, just much better than the translation makes it out to be).
It's a matter of the writer themselves. You can feel them attempting to emulate Suda's style and it doesn't flow naturally. They're not terribly creative and come up with simpler, less dense and overall less meaningful content. Their prose is adequate and not much more.
It's not bad writing, it just isn't anywhere near as well thought out or entertaining as the rest.
>Tokio Morishima and Yuki don't show up in Bad Man's story
JUST
I want vape boomer and his sidekick to return
Tokio isn't Suda's character to fuck with.
Bad Man's story was written by Ooka though
Most broken? Battlefield 3
Most boring? Witcher 3
>The translation is painfully bad
Oh, so that's why most characters and dialogues seemed insane to me. I thought it was another "3WEIRD5YOU" Suda shenaningan at works.
Oh. I haven't gotten to TSA yet, my bad.
Well in that case, his story had a pretty definitive end in 25W. If Ooka doesn't want to revisit him, that's his prerogative.
I want him back too, user. He's the best character.
To be fair, everyone except for Kusabi, Sakura, and Sumio are demented psychopaths who are supporting a giant inhuman conspiracy
>Oh, so that's why most characters and dialogues seemed insane to me.
No, they're absolutely supposed to be that way. Like, their weirdly wooden interactions get a denouement in the revelation that they're actual sociopaths. The translation work makes it even more obnoxious by scrubbing out a lot of the scant nuance and making their speaking mannerisms even less pronounced.
>[/spoiler]Sumio[/spoiler]
>Not a demented psychopath
Look, it's the parade! Here come the fireworks!
Why does Suda hate Sumio so much?
>Forever a virgin
>Everyone makes fun of him for it
>His childhood love got raped to death in front of him
>Then his eardrums got stabbed out
>He spent years plotting revenge, got sent to prison for it
>The next person he learns to love gets executed by the state
>Deluded himself into thinking he was a different person, then ran away to live a new life
>Gets trapped in a time loop in an island paradise
>Is forced to confront his horrible past and learns he was a fucked up human experiment from birth
>His ancestral peoples got genocided
>He returns to the Wards, now a permanently depressed and unstable person
>Crazy digital man tricks him into giving up his body so he can see his dead lover
>She's just a digital ghost and he can't save her
>His body is hijacked to kill innocent people
>Fate after unknown
He went crazy from love and grief, though. The rest were just willing to do whatever it takes to move up in the world. And FSR shows he's so naive and good natured that he'll waste a ton of time helping people who constantly shit on him
Maybe insane wasn't the right word. This game legitimally made me question my english capacities. I was like "are those dialagues written by a 5 year old or am I really that bad?".
On the first chapters at least, I noticed a difference with the reporter chapters.
Okay, now consider three things.
1) What is the most remarkable event in the first chapter of Matchmaker? Sakura's phone call. Maybe it's not even the most remarkable even, but definitely more promising. Other than that the first chapter is, like, a story about two simpletons getting into a Tarantino-style twist, right? Sakura's call is like "Ooooh, there is more than that, shit's on the Other Level". Heavy art connotations too.
What does fifth chapter say about it? It was a piece of attention-whoring by the purple-jacket guy (who is explicitly called out to be a drama queen as well).
2) The scene with the brainwasher guy deserting and saying farewell. His motive - not wanting to know anything more about shit he got dragged into.
3) The Final Showdown With The Evil Yakuza. The motive mentioned by you. The words with which the main character kills him (something along the lines "You know what? I don't care. I don't want your info. Just shut the fuck up and fucking die").
I mean, sure, these are just disparate examples, but the bottom line of the entire Matchmaker, if you consider ONLY Matchmaker on its own terms, seems to me to be "You are not that interesting, you are just a perfectly common attentionwhore". Whether it's directed at Suda, the player, or someone else, is a different question altogether.
Anyway, the main point that it is quite possible that some questions posed before you just don't have any solid answers to them, and do instead represent an act of attentionwhoring, invalidates most of your points towards its content.
I actually meant to add spoiler tags later. I forgot to. Fuck.
Toriko is the best Suda girl, change my mind
Were Sumio and Kusabi actually closeted homosexuals or was Tokio just retarded?
Was Tokio's roll in FSR done by Ooka or Suda?
Also, I wish in 25th Ward that the scene were Tokio remembers who he is was accompanied by another Morishima Remix. And then the appearance in the YUKI chapter had a final one to close off his story. The fifth remix that shows up in FSR made it magical.
Because his fanbase is insufferable cunts that worship him.
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I want a Kamui shirt
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Are we talking Format Kamui? Or Oberver Kamui? Or 100 Endings Observer Kamui? Or perhaps Kamui Fujiawa?
first time I see that Silver Case has translation problems, glad I didn't bother
>Hung SudaChad turns an anti-Silver Case thread into a Sudaverse thread
This thread is so based that it’s hard to believe.
He doesn't. Sumio is his self-insert.
Yes.
>Because his fanbase is insufferable cunts that worship him.
But I don't, and I wish he'd go back to writing-focused art games.
>That Silver Case Remix that changes it to "The Killer Case."
Rad.
When did tokio do that?
The ending of the Silver Case. He took dad's eye. This is covered in his chapter that segues into FSR.
>Travis is a tougher guy than Jabroni, Kurumizawa, and Uehara (all borderline Gods)
How the fuck is Suda going to come up with a threatening villain? Harman and Kun Lan at the same time?
The Player.
But Uehara is literally (You)
Even after Placebo I don't really understand what happened
Sumio is a serial killer and everyone knows it but also he's still walking around, un-arrested
Something about silver eyes, what was that even about
Kamui didn't really do anything(?) but somehow becomes a social icon of revolution... or something
And then surprise! The player is Kamui(?) all along(?)
I though that everything would come together and make sense when I finished everything up
But at the end of the day it felt like I just had a 20-hour fever dream
Sumio isn't a serial killer, he was a terrorist. Technically, he didn't really do much beyond blow up the building at the end and fuck up the investigation. Which is why he gets out later.
Format Kamui didn't do anything in his life, but crimes were attributed to him, making him a mythical figure that became real thanks to the mystical powers of the Silver Eye. The idea of Kamui gives off criminal power and turns people to crime. This is, of course, a metaphor for how the media influences crime, but it's a literal thing in TSC
Akira isn't a Kamui yet, but he was manufactured so that he could later become one if the need came around
Tokio was a failed attempt at making a shell that could contain Kamui
25th Ward spoiler:
In 25th Ward, the player becomes the perfect manifestation of the ideal of Kamui Uehara that exists in the world, even if he began as fiction - people believed he was someone who went against the rules and made his own choices, and you defy Kurumizawa's dominance of reality and survive his gauntlet of 100 meme endings
I wish Spectrum didn't exist. It's easily the worst hour or two that Suda has ever made. Literally what was the point of that story? Am I not Japanese enough to understand what it's deal was? Some asshole NEET scares a kid into having a heart attack, so his ghost scares him into falling off the roof? What relation did this have to the rest of the story?
Why are the titles of Tokio's chapters random female names?
mass effect 3. yes it had good moments but as an overall experience it was god fucking awful mostly due to its atrocious ending that people still meme about and people STILL defend all these years later
The problem is you played the shitty ass NISA port that was so half-assed it makes the Ys8 Switch port look high quality. Go play the originals with the fan patches, far better experience and the translation isn't a fucking mess.
it's just a slightly personal story since suda grew up with a single mom
I thought it was cute. It humanized Akira and gave a glimpse into how average people live in a fucked up world. And then the Tokio perspective shows his relationship with old girlfriend and shows he's not a total jaded shithead because he helps the poor kid.