I truly believe this was the best game of this generation. It checks off every major aspect in a game

I agree.
It blew my expectations out of the water, and then some.

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This.

Gameplay is at best 7 just because of fantastic animations. There is no depth to it and holding fucking pod button all the time is stupid as fuck.

First game is also not part of this generation.
Checkmate, Atheists!

Automata plays way better. You could argue music or story or characters in Gestalt/Replicant, but judging by pure gameplay, Automata wins by a fair margin, mostly due to polish and design by Platinum.

>1st game was better
No, it was not.
OG NieR would seriously benefit from an expanded HD Remaster / Director's Cut version, that would not only restore bro-Nier as the playable character for us western folks, but also implement [E]nding as an in-game event.

GOTG goes to Bloodborne. Automata is all style over substance.

No one said it was, retard.

>No, it was not

wow what an argument

>There is no depth to it
The game has perhaps the most varied gameplay outside of Warioware games, and combat is smooth, varied and satisfying.

>holding pod button all the time
then don't?

The only reason you like this game is because it has a sexy anime-style "robot"

>only memorable location, music, and boss are all located in the theme park - which is why they chose that for the demo

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This but I’d be a lot harsher on Automata’s characters. Nobody gets any development except for 9S, who is like a much worse Brother Nier.

The big ideas in the plot are very similar, and the game has so many callbacks that it’s impossible to separate them for me.

>wow what an argument
It was not an argument. It was stating a fact.
OG NieR's production values and content simply do not compare to Automata's, which is a significant upgrade from the 2010's original game, in every single way.

>varied

My ass. There are great animations, but fights take zero effort even on OHKO mode.

t. horny incel who never even played the game.

Damn I wish that stool thing was me.

The assertion of the OP is that Nier:A is the best game of "this generation", meaning that any opinions regarding the relative merit of the first game are irrelevant to the conversation. You aren't disproving or even disputing the point.

Automata is barely prettier and that's it. Platonum's combat is wasted on a numbers game where enemies just stand around doing nothing. It's just the first game with infinite dodge and nicer animations.

Denuvo free release ever?
I don't install games with denuvo on my computer.

Music - 9/10
Visuals - 4/10
Story - 6/10
Gameplay - 5/10
Characters - 4/10
Level design - 3/10

>My ass
You didn't even play the game, huh?

>b-b-but muh combat!
you're just proving my point, ya memes parroting dickweed.

this

youtube.com/watch?v=icOGQTYtyoU

Absolute kino

10/10 masochistic yoko taro gimmick
6/10 rest of the game

also it made my right trigger squeek

>only defence is y-you didn't play it!

Embarrassing.

>gameplay
Platinum combat with RPG stat progression but you never unlock any cool new moves, most disappointing part of the game

>story
Philosophy 1010 term paper with sex robots

music's pretty good though

have sex

This game ultimately disappointed me. It's so fucking bland, even compared to Drakengard 3.

The gameplay is dogshit but everything else is good. A game like that can still be enjoyable and this game is. But holy fuck the gameplay sucks so much.

it's weebshit

When was the last time people got fooled so hard by waifubait?

>fuckin' masterpiece

>Automata is barely prettier and that's it
No, it's not "that's it" at all.
The visuals are better.
The performance is better.

The GAMEPLAY is better, more finetuned and varied.
This includes the better world-design as well, especially the matter of ditching loading screens altogether in favor of dynamically streamed maps with seamless transitions.
Not only that, but the "Magic" system is way less clunky and more intuitive to use.

And I will be the third or so person to say it:
Automata has way better story, cast, and world.

No, you just have not even touched the game.

fanboys gonna fanboy
i get it

my favorite game of all time.
I haven't played the original Nier yet though.

pic related is amazing, user, thanks for sharing

>The GAMEPLAY is better, more finetuned and varied

Too bad enemies are still dumb as fuck, and just stand around spamming orbs like the first game.

>people still think the first game was a better GAME
you have to replay the same 4+ dungeons up to 4 times each to get a minute long cutscene that barely expands the narrative. half the actual story is in an untranslated lore book only semi-fan translated by autistic weeb girls who you will HAVE to follow and trust their “”””translations””””” of. Most of the appeal of NieR 1 is the things that have nothing to do with the actual game itself. Its inspirations and scope of obtuse lore is very interesting, but the game was average. The best part of NieR was its ENGLISH translation, just think about that. Its biggest draw comes from the translation. Westerners wouldnt fucking care if it was Replicant. They specifically changed the intro BECAUSE the english dub was so good. Thats cool as fuck, the GAME itself isnt THAT great

you cannot fucking defend this. Automata has issues too but its fucking SOLID, consistent game. Taros magum opus if you will. Papa Nier is best though.

wait for taro’s next game since it might just be a nier 1 remake

dunno how i feel about that though

>Automata has way better story, cast, and world.
>cast

You're a fucking idiot if you actually believe this.

>Taro fanboys
Not sure who's worse between you fags and kojimbodrones

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I'd prefer that over playing the 3/4s if the game again as 9S.

Don't bother with Automata fanboys.

How is the gameplay trash to you guys? Yea you can mash like attack but it really has depth to it but the full mechanics are hidden like most platinum games.

It has dash cancels, weapon switching cancels etc

yeah, I really hope they'll remake Nier
didn't they say something about remaking it if Automata sells well?

Way to prove yourself to be some try-hard elitist hipsters by bandwagoning on the older game. Which I am still certain you have not even touched once.

>Too bad enemies are still dumb as fuck,
And again, you only focus on the "muh combat!", ignoring all the other elements of the game's gameplay.
Just fuck off already.

Music - 10/10
Story- 6/10
Gameplay - 6/10
Characters- 6/10

Fixed that for you. The gameplay has excellent animation but everything else is as shallow as it can be even by Platinum standards. The only good things aboutthis game were the music and the fan service.

>shit you don't need to touch because mashing dodge makes you invincible (or is part of making you invincible in case of dash cancels)
>most enemies can just be shot to death if don't feel like fighting them

At least tarofags don't try to convince other people that all the games of the series are flawless masterpieces

>this is good story and characters to weebs
youtube.com/watch?v=s5IrpbAATd8

AHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAH!

Good fix, I bought this game because I thought I was getting a good Platinum action game but I dropped it like midway through Route C.

>best game of this generation
YIKES

More like

Music - 9/10
Story - 6/10
Gameplay -6/10
Characters 7/10

>story 6/10
b8

>The gameplay has excellent animation but everything else is as shallow as it can be even by Platinum standards
Why are you action-faggots blind to all the OTHER gameplay features except the combat?

>fan service
found the horny incel who never even beat the game.

yeah the combat is too shallow and hacking isn't really a substitute for it. But then you have nuggets like the final credit sequence, which still falls under gameplay and totally bumps up the experience for me fom a 7 to a soooooooft 9.

>Shitmatafag calling another one incel
YIKERS

>Music
It’s like if they asked some Pentacostal retards to sing over melancholy music that you hear in every other “serious” Japanese game. It’s overbaked and corny.
>story
The story is simple and not really what made everyone talk about it in the first place. If this was a 10, then even Zelda games get 10s for story.
>gameplay
It’s almost a button away from being Final Fantasy XV-tier shit. The only halfway redeeming factor was the bullet hell section of the game, but that got old after seeing every permutation in one run.
>characters
About the only interesting aspect of the game, but not enough to make the whole game GotG.

You unironically have to be clinically retarded to consider the rushed piece of shit story in this game anything more than a 6/10.

automata has boring story with 0 stakes. bunch of robots fighting each others and acting melodramatic. its a turd compared to replicant/gestalt which had an instant story hook with yonah.

>b8
This is the best way to get your opinion entirely discarded

>Why are you action-faggots blind to all the OTHER gameplay features except the combat?
Literally the only things keeping it a 6 are the vestiges of an action game, otherwise it would be a 4. What other features are you fucking talking about? Fetch quests? Don't throw labels and buzzwords at me retard.

>ound the horny incel who never even beat the game.
Oh, i'm literally talking to a meme spouting faggot. Should have read the whole post first. Kill yourself.

>No, you just have not even touched the game.

Go fuck yourself you rabid fanboy.
The gameplay in this game is the definition of all style and no substance, just like FFXV. Which is ironic because FFXV fanboys also always scream YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED IT when they have nothing else to come back with.

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Sorry user, is meant for Yeah it was even getting shilled as such close to the release

The game's just way too easy. I can't believe some people play on Easy assist mode. Automata combat doesn't compare to Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, or Bayonetta. The dodge is way too lenient and the enemies are cannon fodder. The real difficulty spike is Ending E credits. I'm not a speedrunner and I finish DMC and Bayonetta with A to S rankings, I don't like using parry in MGS Rising, and I shamefully play Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 on Easy and Normal. Yet I can steamroll Automata because it has no real challenge.

Don't get me wrong, the combat carries the game in 40 hrs (unlike Witcher 3 which has bad combat for 100+hrs) but the animations are well done and the weapon/chip variety is there to hold your interest. Hard mode needs retooling and the boss fights are still spin2win rush. Automata is the perfect sums of its parts than individually well executed (barring the soundtrack). 2B and A2 have no personality and 9S is ruined in scenario C with a descent madness that highlights how one note he is. No one really got proper on screen development.

Gameplay: 7/10
Music: 100/10
Graphics: Inconsistent/10
Framerate: Inconsistent on base PS4/10
Voice acting: 9/10 for the most part (All Adam and Fag vs 2B herself grunts/moans were really awkward and cringe IMO)
Kino: Ending E and yes I deleted no hestitation
Confession: I only jerk off to 2B sex cosplay porn, fanart + doujins and in-game don't do amything for me.

What's the different between the Xbox One version and that newer PS4 version (GotY edition?)?

this so fucking much

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>make a game with a combo/juggling-based combat system
>enemies have levels, so the only thing that affects meaningful damage output is gear and levels - NOT executing combos
>comboing/juggling is straight-up worse than mashing dash-weapon swap-heavy attack anyway, because of a glitch
>also have gun buddy with unlimited ammo
>also have 9S who can hack an infinite number of times, safely from a distance, for massive damage
>the hacking segments are easy as shit and repetitive as fuck
>the shmup segments literally let you eat any and all bullets; no dodging required
The combat system in the game is legit terrible, like how could Platinum fuck up this bad? Shame, because everything else is 10/10 game of the decade material, but the combat is such a fucking shit show.

>Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, or Bayonetta

I'm not a huge fan of the combat, but your opinion is now discarded.

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So you have a shit taste? Ok got it.

Why? It’s a valid point. If they were going to make it so action and combo-focused, it should have been at least as good as one of those games.

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Based contrarian faggot.

Fuck off.

I feel like it has some flaws, it's not a perfect 10 but was amazing regardless. There are many issues on the technical side and some of them hold back the game in terms of art style and atmosphere like very jarring pop-in or extremely low-res textures which stand out. The difficulty curve and the difficulty settings are also a bit fucked. Anything below hard is trivially easy, while hard mode itself starts out very punishing but by the end can taper off so much that it also becomes nearly trivial, especially because you can easily outlevel the main story if you enjoy the world, explore and do all the side quests you find.

Did you guys do the side quests? That alone brings the story score to a 10 for me

Those twin sisters backstory is fucking heartbreaking. All they wanted is love.

Can we all at least agree that Ending E is the most Kino shit the first time around and it actively makes KH3s version look horribly shitty in comparison?

Also
youtu.be/P8XTbluLDyE

>androids
>sisters
Yikes
>All they wanted is love
They were programmed that way.

Everything after Ending B felt rushed as fuck.

nier had better sidequests

So that's a yes or a no?

The point is that this isn't like those games because it's an RPG numbers game, and that's what ruins it. Comparing them is silly considering it is held back by this fact. You can do fancy combos, but the game doesn't ever encourage you to do so. It's completely pointless, and only autists like donguri would bother.

All the retards who missed the point of the post out of instantaneous asspain can feel free to shut the fuck up.

Both have good and bad side quest, still I think the best side quest is the Emil one from Automata, it's simple but the end is so emotional that you just have to give them credit.

#rekt

holy fuck BASED fpbp. People only like Automata more cause of the ass.

I did as much as I could. The runaway androids quest is memorable, I wanted to fucking kill that bitch. I liked the open endedness to the resistance guy using fallen Yohra models to make a family of his own. I thought Emil's sendoff was sad/hopeful, the vast majority of quests were better than the main story IMO. 30 hrs of 9S "gosh..um...'mam 2B haha that's so *blushes* like her" broken up by 10 hrs of morally gray quests, yeah I'll take the later any day. I mean I was sad when she died but what a raving faggot he became, 9S impaled death was kino voice acting, though. The Resistance leader backstory with A2 was good and A2 herself could've been the real star had she more gameplay and screentime. The NPCs who couldn't cope with dead lovers were great too.

The only really bad quest I hated was Pascal, it was super obvious storytelling and it tries to guilt you into killing or assisted suicide; I walked away from Pascal and I don't know what happened next. Fallout 3 tier quest writing here.

Removing the stats, the game still fails as an action game, which is really the point. The game wouldn’t improve much at all with what makes up your actual abilities.

Story score is way too high.
The story is as dull as it comes.

>Wanting faggot anime Nier

No thanks. I am totally down for a remake by Platinum, though.

You're an idiot and that's just a flimsy excuse to avoid having your game compared to ones that would do more favorably. An RPG can have action game mechanics and vice versa. As said before the action game elements, even when they are shallow are the only things keeping this game's gameplay from being a complete and total wash.

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> * crashes *

Haven't played it in a while, but is DD a numbers game?

What does that even mean? You talking about stats? Yes, it has stats, the only way to even do damage to enemies is to cross an attack power threshold. not only does it have stats but it can be broken with the mere use of said stats.

>Limit recovery items or give them a cooldown
>Make hacking more risky like stunning you for a period of time or causing malfunctions
>Make dodge not mashable for invulnerability

There, game fixed.

>dodge mashable for invulnerability

This is what ruins the game.

>gameplay being a 10/10

gee sure is fun to run through empty wastelands with nothing to do besides killing enemies pressing the same button until they die

admit it is disappointing gameplay wise, specially coming from fucking Platinum

Maybe it wasn´t the "best game" but it was the game that impressed me the most, some of the stuff it did I´ve never seen in any game before or after it. I was glad i got the recognition and sales it deserved

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> tfw buying all ps4 trophies from that one NPC and getting a platinum in Nier Automata

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I agree

>I´ve never seen in any game before

ahh the secondary schpeil

lmao the game bugged out and didn't let me get the emil trophy that requires you to kill him in the Kaines Moon Flower cave so I used this 'trick'

thats just your opinion, validated by nothing

It's pretty good, but it's not THAT good. If you haven't consumed much media outside of video games + anime and you're very prone to melodrama, then I can kind of understand being blown away by this I guess.
The game does a lot of things that have been done before but with not quite as much impact and for that the game never really stood out to me, it was pretty meh from start to finish.
My main gripe is the gameplay, because that's what made this game a slog to get through. If you've played anything by Platinum, the combat won't do much for you because it feels very familiar only less tight and more floaty and with a quarter of the complexity.
The moment I got out of the demo area, things already started to feel very repetitive and I was kind of regretting my purchase already, but I pushed through anyway and got Ending E.

Despite being 95% mediocre, those very few kino moments that make up the 5% (the tastefully executed ones, not the cringey melodramatic ones) were pretty cool, but not worth the 40 hour play time it took me to beat the game completely.

> is it 10 for you because you played some ass gameplay?

>action game elements, even when they are shallow are the only things keeping this game's gameplay from being a complete and total wash
I'm not sure if you understood just how insanely moronic this statement is. You said, in other words, "just because an action game has shallow combat, doesn't mean the combat system sucks." Why play an action game (a genre known to focus explicitly on combat) if the combat sucks and is insanely broken? How is it fun to pop 4x conq' periapts, equip blast arrows, and spam 11x shot from a range to kill *literally* every single enemy in the entire game? You don't ever need to learn the mechanics of a fight or the nuances of your class abilities because of how broken the balancing is. The same applies for Nier Automata - the game is broken in terms of balancing. It's video game junk food: all style, no substance.

I keep forgetting that people who say that Automata has 10/10 gameplay are typically Taronerds who haven't played anything but Drakengard and Nier and anything that isn't absolutely awful is fucking holy to them.

I played roughly 150 games by now and I rate NieR:A 9.5/10

fpbp

Not even the best game of its respective year, let alone the generation.

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The only thing that automata has over the og nier is the gameplay and graphics, the characters fucking suck and the music is worse.
Is just ironic weeb tier, 2b was a fucking mistake.
I would unironically rather play drakengard 3 again over automata.

lol

It's a solid 3/5