Explain this

don't look at me I didn't write that nonsense

Literally nobody I know bought this game. Most haven't even heard of it.

They expected 0, so 10 is way above that

If a journo is saying it then it must be true.

>we are performing way above expectations thanks to the support we have received from the Epic Games Store." He did not expand on how exactly the Epic Store had helped the game exceed expectations

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>250k is above Epic's expectations for their exclusives
lmao

Steamfags seething.
Just keep posting about the Square peace whatever riots, I'm sure that will stop every game from coming to the Epic Store.

I don't know if it is possible but it maybe because the exclusive deal is counted as sales.
I know that nazis germany guarenteed a certain numbers of sales for synthetic fuel (which was more expensives than natural ones) so it may be something similar.

Enjoy your well-earned rice bowl and (You) Chen, you've earned it.

It'd be impossible not to sell above expectations when Epic foots the bill for the copies you lose out on.

>Chen
honk

Compared to what exactly
There's nothing to compare it to cause it's not available on anything else, are these devs retarded?

Stop being logical you dimwit. Logical reasoning is alt right and will not be tolerated. Only feelings are allowed.

They counted the times Tim Sweeney bought it as sales.

Steamfags are subhumans most of them are poorfags third world scum. Epic is for white people.

>250k for a zombie horde shooter with a ton of twitch viewers
>Thinking that it wouldn't have done more on Steam

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I didn't even know the game existed until like yesterday.

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Source: Tim Sweeney

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The fine print in the EGS contracts force them to suck Tim's dick in PR announcements.

There are no indicators of how much it sold other than statements from Epic and the dev, who wouldn’t want to shit on the platform.

Chinese government is buying out corrupt publishers and making up lies about sales to fool PC users? Not seeing the obvious that nobody in their right mind would abandon their current libraries on Steam to install infected software.

fucking niggers

>100 sales is more than 0 sales
Nothing to explain here

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Yes truly it's impossible to know. Not like it's literally in the middle of the screen right now if you go to Epic store. I guess we'll never know...
You fucking retard

They count the money they give up front to publishers as game sells. So 88% of a $35 game = ~$30, if they gave them $2m for exclusivity they can claim the game 'sold' >65,000 copies (before the game ever even released). Doing this they can drastically inflate sales numbers, to lure in more publishers, and buy exclusivity rights in one swoop.

>A game released around the same time, made by some /vg/ user sells over a million copies in steam early access.
>With zero advertising or a chink mafia backing it.
>Meanwhile this game only sold 250,000 copies (questionable)

Strange... so this is the power of Epic exclusivity.

>He did not expand on how exactly the Epic Store had helped the game exceed expectations
Getting paid upfront helps

It's not that difficult to understand. Epic, who bought the game, promoted it as a featured title on their storefront that tens of millions of Fortnite players log into everyday. On Steam, a platform where 100 games launch daily, it would've never had that same opportunity to stand out. Epic is able to do that for their exclusives because barely any games launch on their store compared to steam that has hundreds.

Why do people always enjoy lying this much about the shit about Epic Store?
They're obviously not making jack this and it's just all lies, hoping to actually stir more people into buying it so it could stir their profits.

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>A game released around the same time, made by some /vg/ user sells over a million copies in steam early access.
Just tell us what your game is called you faggot don't make me ask you

Yeah, but steam is bad tho.

are you ok user?

The question is why do you think everybody lies?

if you need to ask this question you don't belong here and should fuck off to reddit

>Epic pays you hundreds of thousands or even millions to sell exclusively on their store
>Game sells 10 copies
EPIC ALWAYS WINS BABY

Because it's obvious when they do and when they don't.

I have no fucking idea what the Epic Store UI looks like, but if I had to guess it probably has less noise than Steam since far fewer games are on it. Some random game like WWZ might have more exposure and a chance to be seen. Otherwise it's obviously hyper counter-intuitive and probably horse shit made up to suckoff Tencent

>Expect to sell zero copies because game is shit
>Sell 10
WE DID IT BOYS

has anybody even heard of anyone buying this game?!?

>the very same topic was spammed about six times today
Jesus how about you chengs stop.

They sold more than their estimated numbers, which was obviously a low number, but outperformed what they expected, despite the irony in saying that EGS is the reason why it sold more than their "Expectations", despite the fact offering it across different PC platforms, not just Steam, would've given them even more sales, but they're just trying to justify the delusional belief that Epic has anything to do with over a quarter of a million sales being "good", when the consoles were 3x as much.

Really makes you think.

Yeah its shit but it somehow became really popular

Doesn't change the fact that if it were on both it would have sold more. You're not listening.

Still retarded i see,
how it could possibly sell less if it was on epic, steam and every store unimaginable as opposed to epic exclusivity?

Chance of showers.

>sells way above expectations thanks to epic store exclusivity
>He did not expand on how exactly the Epic Store had helped the game exceed expectations.
This sure doesn't sound like a paid promotion.

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Yes it does because Epic wouldn't have promoted it like they did if it wasn't exclusive

Why not? They stand to make just as much money by promoting it. You're not making logical sense.

Because then there's less incentive to make your game an epic store exclusive

>They sold more than their estimated numbers, which was obviously a low number, but outperformed what they expected, despite the irony in saying that EGS is the reason why it sold more than their "Expectations", despite the fact offering it across different PC platforms, not just Steam, would've given them even more sales, but they're just trying to justify the delusional belief that Epic has anything to do with over a quarter of a million sales being "good", when the consoles were 3x as much.

I completely forgot to use a period in between this run-on sentence.

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And the game is sold for $18 in some places, so that number could be double. Meaning that half of the game's sales were to Epic, and they only really sold ~120k copies.

"Expected" is key here. It was "expected" to sell much less than reasonable so that when it sold more than that, it would look good.

>thanks to exclusivity

This level of marketing isn't even subtle anymore, jesus.

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That's a bed of their own making. They don't need to justify their purchasing of exclusivity after the fact by investing even more time and effort. They can simply sell the game, and promote the game as much as they see fit and the game will sell better across the board. In no universe does a game being exclusively sold somewhere result in more sales. It defies rational thought to believe this.

Man you must really glow in the dark with your intelligence being so high.

>250k units sold on PC
>70k peak across ALL platforms (so ~18k peak on PC)
>For a game that was regularly advertised on television during prime time
Oof, that's pretty bad.
This game had an actual advertising campaign and it sold less than an indie game that sold entirely via word of mouth.

250,000 x $35 is $8,750,000
They lowered the price due to it being exclusive
88% of that is roughly 7,700,000
Which sounds like no one made money to make up for Development costs or to pay back epic for the exclusivity

>Steamfags seething.
>Steamfags
I know this is bait but literally who gives a shit

What is tax? What is marketing?

>sales in a vacuum
>a valid metric
lmao

I actual thought the article was reasonable when I first read it, I thought that maybe exclusivity resulted in better presentation, and that games typically sell less on PC.
But then I remembered that stuff like Terraria can sell 10s of millions of copies with nothing but word of mouth (in the beginning).
Epic is actually on full damage control.

Epic says they have 85 million people on the service so if they only can sell 250k it shows just how many people don't actually buy shit on the service.

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But then there's more to the deal than simply getting paid. One reason for Epic store exclusivity is the money and the second reason is promotion. Why would they promote any game when they can focus on promoting dves who opted to promote their platform through exclusivity? It's mutually beneficial for the both of them.

You're doing it on purpose Tim, go to bed.

You're trying to evade the point and change the subject. All games sell better on multiple storefronts rather than a single storefront. Your excuse that a storefront with exclusivity is investing money into promoting the game they can exclusively sell is bogus because they can perform the very same action with the very same results without it being exclusive. People don't buy games at a singular store BECAUSE a game is exclusive. They buy the game because they want to play the game. Promotion on the premise that people will be more likely to buy the game at all if it's exclusive is nonsensical. The fact that something is exclusive does not raise sales; it lowers sales. This is irrefutable.

>3 African Americans and 1 Asian
Game seems woke but not woke enough. On the other hand, if the game had 4 niggers instead it would have been diverse enough.

>if you don't know what's going on in /vg/ you don't belong in Yea Forums
Interesting opinion

If it sells at all, it's selling above expectations. It won't turn any profit, just like every other EGS exclusive.

Zoomers, everyone.

It’s a game about a movie from 6 years ago and however long ago the book was, expectations weren’t exactly high to begin with

"Spiderman rapes pregnant Elsa" videos get billions of views too that doesn't mean any of those views are worthwhile kek

>Another survival zombie game
Yikes, that's gonna be a hard pass

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they aint wrong tho.

having an epic exclusivity is better than not having it on pc

Except that's not the premise. They're making the game exclusive in exchange for promotion and money. Indie developers do it all the time on consoles in exchange for promotion at E3 and in their official marketing.Back when the PS4 had no games in 2014/2015 it did help make some popular that wouldn't have been otherwise if it weren't for exclusivity.

As if it's only on PC because of Epic.

yeah sorry that's what I meant

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Irrelevant to the point. Once again you're trying to evade the point and change the subject. The game would sell more if it wasn't exclusive. By a huge margin. This idea that a storefront would no longer promote a video game they can make a profit off of simply because they're not the only storefront that can sell it is aggressively retarded. Shut the fuck up, faggot.

Shh, let him keep thinking that.
He's probably a consolefag Eurotard anyways.

That's not the case.

You do realize that bringing up anything related to consoles is only going to make things worse, right?
This is Yea Forums, we don't WANT consolefag shit on PC, keep that cancer on consoles where it belongs.
Fucking Eurotards.

Could epic falsify sales figures by funneling cash into games to create a facade of higher sales, thus attracting more future developers?

>HAHAH LOOK GUYS LOOK AT HOW WELL WE ARE DOING!
The shilling is just turned up to 5000% now.

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There's nothing stopping them, they are a privately held company after all, and chink companies are notorious for pulling that kind of shit (just look at Huawei).

>Explain this.
Not even the developers can explain it.

>Bringing console practices into the fray

Dude i seriously hope you're trolling because i start to believe there is real shilling going on.
All those epic threads that pops up out of nowhere when everyone with common sense can see their politics and practices as negatives.

How is it irrelevant to the point? You're constantly ignoring the point.
>the game would sell more if it wasnt exclusive
It wouldn't if it were marketed less as a result. Sony and Microsoft have hundreds of non games indies but make sure to promote ones that are exclusive so they have an incentive to be exclusive.

Yes or they can simply have someone buy a bunch of copies and then refund them. They don't have to report refunds, only sales.

Yep, also look up ghost theaters, they buy tickets to movies they want to """succeed""

Again, bringing up Sony and Microsoft isn't going to help your point.
Sony and MS are cancer, no one wants more of that type of cancer on PC.

It did. Literally 5 threads in a row were pruned by jannies today.
As soon as one thread got pruned another one was created with very same pics and hashes.
It's literally unreachable levels of autism.

That only seems to be the case with Quantic Dream games. It sounds like Epic actually paid them to port the games to PC. Which exclusivity for bringing new games to the platform (which we can just pirate anyway) is totally fine IMO.

HOW A:
game not being exclusive = less marketing.
You're so fucking dense holy shit.

People like zombie games. People buy zombie games. The end.

>people bought the game because it was exclusive not because they wanted to play
holy shit it takes talent to generate headlines so stupid they will get clicks like a motherfuck

>they buy tickets to movies they want to """succeed""

Ah yes the brilliant move to simply buy your own product to make more money, not sure why every company doesn't do this with all their products over and over again to make infinite money, must be those high jewish IQs I hear about.

Because they make it exclusive in exchange for marketing

Yeah, and they could just count the upfront payment as sales, as said.

Epic hates money so they only promote exclusive games to fortnight players

What's it like being retarded?
northjersey.com/story/entertainment/movies/2019/03/13/success-captain-marvel-smovie-cores-victory-over-trolls/3156354002/
This is why whites are a joke, you guys are retarded and don't seem to understand how literally anyone else on the planet functions.

>It wouldn't if it were marketed less as a result.
How much it is marketed is irrelevant. Epic can market it as much as they please. They've already invested millions into it. They could just as easily invest that into marketing the game instead of getting exclusivity and make a ton of profit. I'm fully aware of what makes exclusive games profitable in the first place, but once again this is beside the fucking point. The games sell more on multiple storefronts. You're negatively affecting availability and acting as though this is going to be mitigated by marketing as if Epic's fucking marketing is enough to offset the loss of customers by excluding the largest PC gaming storefront on Earth. You are absolutely and irrevocably retarded. Exclusive games ALWAYS sell worse than multi-plat or games available on all storefronts. End of line. Full stop. No amount of marketing is going to increase the total amount of sales EVEN IF Epic and Steam's customers were indiscriminate and evenly allocated.

Those games were already slated to be released on PC before Epic picked them up. Work on those ports started in October, several months before Epic got involved. Do not try to spread misinformation when you don't know the facts.

A lot of people don't seem to realize that the reason NetEase (another Chinese company) bought Quantic Dream was so they could bring their games to PC.
Not at all surprised that they went with Epic.

Why did you post that article?

You're assuming those customers exist in the first place and they don't if nobody knows or cares about the game especially one trashed by critics like this. They're getting paid in the form of exclusivity to market the game they don't have the same reason to do that when anyone can just buy it on steam. We already all know this same thing happens on consoles and does increase sales for certain titles.

Third time running away from the point. Shut the fuck up if you aren't going to engage.

>But perhaps more importantly, steps were taken to mitigate any troll effect on "Captain Marvel." Two studio executives who spoke anonymously because they weren't authorized to speak about their about their anti-troll efforts, said they've become more adept and prepared for combating organized negativity around a release. There are no more sneak attacks.
>YouTube, where anti-Larson videos proliferated ahead of the film's opening, chose to categorize "Brie Larson" as a news search, not a general one. The algorithm tweak, first initiated to combat conspiracy videos after the 2017 Las Vegas music festival shooting, pushed videos from news and entertainment outlets up, and rants like "Brie Larson is Ruining Marvel!" down.
>Rotten Tomatoes, which ranks both critic and audience scores, removed the potential for audience scoring before a movie is released. Though an initial wave of negative audience ratings pushed the score for "Captain Marvel" down, by Wednesday it was at 63 percent — almost exactly the film's average on Metacritic.
>"We've seen it with enough movies that we know we have to evolve our system," said Benson of the trolling. "Anyone that has an open system like we do has received this type of attention. Moving forward, we want to make sure our users can trust our audience score and that we find different ways to verify the reviews."

Again, your entire race is full of easily-manipulated dumbfucks, so much so that you GENUINELY believe that major million-dollar corporations don't manipulate the masses behind the scenes and pay EVEN MORE money to prop up their own movies.
If you can make something popular enough to the pack, then it'll sell even MORE units, that's literally the entire point of advertising.

>AA game with advertising sells 250K on PC which is "higher than expected"
>corporate jargon could mean anything
>could mean they only expected a small amount due to Epic split from everything else or could mean they just knew from the get go it wasn't going to be a popular game
>meanwhile Risk of Rain 2 sold over 650K on Steam with no advertising aside from some dev leaks a few months back

I still don't understand why did you post that article or what point you're trying to make.

Just goes to show if you make a fun game it will sell. Marketing is for bad products.

>Ah yes the brilliant move to simply buy your own product to make more money, not sure why every company doesn't do this with all their products over and over again to make infinite money, must be those high jewish IQs I hear about.
You buy your own tickets to report more sales and more "people seeing it" which in turn makes others want to see it more because it's successful.

Got outside brainlet and have sex you incel

Your entire argument was that no one is going to buy their own products to prop them up, when the reality is that companies (and even individuals) do that shit all the time.
Fuck, even celebrities (who are nowhere NEAR as rich as a corporate entity) do that shit, lest we forget Jada Smith's failed rock career.

Then change the headline to, Epic's marketing causes world war z to sell above expectation, because that's what actually happened. If they had done that as well as sold it on Steam it woukd have sold even more.

Oh, that wasn't me. Sorry. But yes, you're right. Would've been nicer if you didn't phrase it in a racist way though.

Nah, I'll phrase it however I like.
Fuck chinks, fuck whites, and fuck consoleniggers.

based but bluepilled

>Bumping this shit thread
This is what I mean when I say "fuck whites."

Not that user but your article doesn't prove that they buy their own movie tickets. All it proved is that Disney pulled some hard strings to mitigate backlash to keep as much positive PR about Captain Marvel in the limelight as possible. Which honestly is smart business movies because of how influential just displaying aggregate scores has become. Do you not remember when Activision was king of deceptive marketing? Claiming MW3 won hundreds of perfect scores, but when the reviewers were looked into it was all these shitty literallywho sites as well as ones that were directly linked to Activision? Anyway there's nothing in your article about ticket sales or race.

It's a leap (and fallacy) of logic to say that because X does Y, therefore all of Z does it to varying degrees. I wouldn't put it past companies to do shady shit, anything to make some extra bucks, but right now you're being chicken little.

nobody expected it to sell at all

I'm muslim though

Except it is not a fallacy because both manipulating online reviews and buying up tickets serve the same purpose.
In both cases you're going to have to grease some wheels and exchange money somewhere, so the money argument is moot and meaningless. The entire point is that companies are willing to spend EXUBERANT amounts of cash to prop up a shit product and make it look better. In fact, Epic engages in all the largest forms of this on their storefront
>Pay large sums of cash for exclusivity
>Misrepresent sales figures to make their store look better (the fact that they gave a raw figure for this game but DIDN'T for Metro Exodus means the latter likely sold well below expectations)
>Try to completely lock out consumers by arguing that they're courting developers
>Completely remove any consumer-facing means of communications on their platform (such as reviews)
>Refuse to release any of their information regarding sales despite consistently trying to hound Valve in the same regard
Really, Epic is one of the scummiest companies I've seen in the PC marketplace in a long time, and that's actually kind of impressive considering Microsoft is still around.
But yea, again, it's just white people who like them, namely white Euros, hence why WWZ sold better in Europe on the EGS than it did in any other region on the planet, according to the devs.
Muslim's not a race m8y.

>muslim is a color

>manipulating online reviews and buying up tickets serve the same purpose
You made the claim that Disney was buying their own tickets and have yet to show any proof. You're just dancing circles around the claim at this point.
>the entire point is
Ok that's cool and all, and I agree with you about stuff like what Epic is doing, but nigga stop moving the goal posts. You've managed to prove everything but what your argument actually is, which is that Disney bought their own movie tickets.

So they legitimately think people bought this BECAUSE it was exclusive. Meaning they dont like the game and they didnt buy it because they like it?

>Not that user but your article doesn't prove that they buy their own movie tickets.
user they literally make campaigns to bring poor children without parents to see superhero movies, there is nothing to prove, they don't even hide it.

>He did not expand on how exactly the Epic Store had helped the game exceed expectations.
The exclusivity contract is based on Epic making sure the developer makes a certain number of sales. If that number isn't met then Epic makes up the difference. The devs are either sucking off Epic as a paid promotion thing or they're pretending that the paid difference are sales figures

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>You made the claim that Disney was buying their own tickets
I'm actually not that user, he was replying to my original post talking about how chinks consistently turn to scummy business practices (like buying up entire cities with no one living in them so they can prop up their construction industry and pretend that their economy isn't horribly unstable) in order to prop up their shitty products.
>You've managed to prove everything but what your argument actually is, which is that Disney bought their own movie tickets.
Well first of all, the argument wasn't about Disney SPECIFICALLY, it was that production companies will buy their own products in order to prop them up and make them look more popular, which is an objective truth, even in video games.

Yeah that people donate money towards. It's not Disney's actual money, it's Brie Larson's money and the money of other like minded morons who fall for the "culturally improtant" meme as if it absolves it of being a meh movie. They donate money, and then cash it in for a bunch of tickets so a bunch of poor kids from some shitty school can see Captain Flatass stare like a plank into the horizon as big bad men say big bad men things too her but she's invincible so she flies away.

At no point is Disney buying tickets to artificially inflate their figures.

If you really believe Disney does not fund them under the table or at least prop the event by having journalists talk about it, you are just very naive.
There is a reason they become so damn well known in the internet.

China should use that money to fix their escalators

gaming "journalists" at their best, that's the explanation

If you search "Quentin Tarantino on Disney vs. 'The Hateful Eight'" on youtube you'll find that companies like Disney don't even need to spend money to be benefited. Just threaten others. Buying your own product isn't the most efficient way to manipulate perception

I woulda bought it if it was on steam

marketing on a storefront that no one hss installed, retard

>Logical reasoning is alt right

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>Ramos
los ogros de america.

That's just a straight up spic

>well-earned rice bowl and (You)

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