>can't even discuss Pokémon's state in /vp/ without the underage attacking the other games they don't know jack shit about and the thread being deleted
So, what's Yea Forums's opinion of the state of Pokémon and why does it get a pass compared to any other franchise be it by it's own fanbase and press alike?
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Holy fuck, you could ride Pokemon in the games now? I'd buy Shield or Sword to just ride Arcanine around.
A selected few, instead of them following you.
It was removed in Sword and Shield.
>why does it get a pass
It doesn't. Lots of games on the left suffers from the same problems
Let's go only, normal games aren't allowed to have good things like "Pokemon walking around with you".
I don't think they will carry that trough let's go because it's a "spin off"
Is the Switch Pokemon game worth pirating at least? I waited a long time because there was a fake nsp with the brick code instead of the game, but most likely it's no longer a risk now.
>why does it get a pass
i'd say the overall gameplay loop still scratches an itch. discovering/catching cool new monsters, building a good team, watching them evolve, sweeping the elite 4 and champion.
dont get me wrong if it looked a fuck ton better and they added more intersting mechanics with a less obnoxious story itd be classic kino but im not hopeful.
If you pay attention, many or maybe most pokemon fans you'd find on Yea Forums and the like don't give it a pass. It's just that when you post something, people who agree with you aren't likely to respond, and I doubt there's a too high a population of people who don't like the current direction of pokemon like myself still hanging around on /vp/ frequently.
They've already been shown to not have following pokemon. Riding pokemon will probably be about the same as in SM, where you ride a specific pokemon like Tauros that act as the bike and HMs, rather than whatever pokemon you have in your team.
It's literal babbyshit now
What, why? It sounds like a neat feature.
Why does that Moogle have a girl up it's ass?
The current state of Pokemon is simply disappointing. I hope it will be as good as Gen 4 and 5 again at some point. LGPE was the biggest low effort cashgrab I've ever seen.
Because Gamefreak absolutely abhorrently retarded
Yeah most people here want to give Pokémon to Atlus or the Xenoblades guys because gamefreaks have been absolutely Jewish which the franchise for the past 10 years or so (lets be real if the waifus where not top noch even to this day this thig would have sunk years ago)
However even if sword and shield is going to be lame and lost the region subspecies (which upsets to no end) It is going to be waaay more compelling and fun than that over glorified gay cup noodle ad called FF15
Because they do this shit all the time.
All Pokémon could follow you in HGSS, but next game and until Let's Go this feature was removed.
The real reason they added it on Let's Go, it's because the game only features 153 Pokémon and is almost a 1:1 remake of a Gameboy game with it's "rectangular" design where it's hard for Pokémon to get stuck on something or clip out of shit.
Gamefreak are the most incompetent developer out there.
This picture is inaccurate. It's not "one of". It's "The".
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Let’s go are just yellow remakes
Cause they'd have to put in animations for over 700 pokemon in a mainline game to suit your autistic need for pokemon walking with you.
user, THEY -ALREADY HAVE- THE 700+ WALKING/RUNNING ANIMATIONS YOU ABSOLUTE MORON.
Pokemon is shit now, but this pic is incomparable because Pokemon doesn't have a budget. Just because it's the most profitable series in the world doesn't automatically mean it has a budget.
Mainline Pokemon won't ever change its formula, mechanics and will always feel 2 generations behind. Get over it. What's disappointing is how they don't even bother putting much money into developing more spinoffs when those were actually the best Pokemon games lately. Going that route would allow for experiments, and maybe like Persona did, making its own successful branch.
Don't kinkshame the moogle.
>Make walking and running animations for 807 pokemon
>Only use maybe a dozen or two for the shitty knock-off pokemon snap minigame
This should go in one of those "times you were the Joker in video games" threads
The ones for all of Gen 1 and the Meltan line were used in Let's Go.
>pokemon is made for childs
FYI LGPE was a good remake. But otherwise the state of pokemon is terrible.
What's worse is that there's walk animations for every Pokemon in Ultra sumo I believe it was and they aren't used anywhere but the dex
I, uh.. Noticed that you think that gives you the right to break the rules and post outside your containment board.
Interesting..
Oh right, I keep purging that game from my mind.
Yeah you right
All retro games should be banned to /vr/ too
I, uh... don't give two fucks, incel.
There is little to no reason to care about this franchise past the age of 18 which by that time you've played a few of the gens and have gotten tired of it hopefully.
If you didn't by then you have uncurable autism.
How are any of you even hyped for the new games? This is THE MOST STALE RPG FRANCHISE OF ALL TIME
>was a good remake
It wasn't even better than the first gen 1 remakes
>game is marketed primarily to children so it's okay for it to be rehashed with no inventive changes and not becoming any better for like 20 years now
People unironically think this and i dont understand why.
funny part about Xenoblade 2 is more than half of them were being taken to work on BotW.
Why is gamegfreak such a shitty fucking company
let me guess
reddit
There is literally to no reason to care about video games past the age of 18.
It's the most nostalgia fueled franchise of all time. There are people who have been buying them for generation to generation with no hesitation
Nice cop-out but it doesn't work like that. Pokemon, among other games, are for children. Cope and seeth.
>but it doesn't work like that.
but it does
Video games are for children and teenagers, you cope, incel.
I'm not hyped for it because I don't want it to be stale
It's completely stagnated since gen 6, at least other gens had some sort of significant mechanics introduced. Megas and z-moves are just fluff that will go forgotten by gamefreak. Whatever the shit gimmick that SS will have will also go forgotten because it will not be any sort of significant gameplay mechanic.
It's absolutely disgraceful, but that can be said about all the games. They were always a shithole compared to even other monster catching games on the market at the same time. Dragon Quest Monsters, SMT. Iwata having to come in to fix up their shit code during Gold and Silver should have said more then enough that Gamefreak are not only utterly incompetent, lazy, but know that they can get away with it, because Nintendo will cover for them. It's insufferable that the public settles for mediocrity, when these games could be so much more and especially when it's under the guise of "But it's for children" as if that's a real excuse for the games to be as poorly made as they are. I'd love to try to feed their kids shit and have them complain and then point them to the label on the jar that says it's for kids.
Have sex and maybe you will actually get bored of Pokemon
I think everyone in this thread is already bored of Pokémon, incel.
Nope there are drones that will eat it up like you.
I like how you're arguing Pokémon should have a bloated budget that causes it to take longer than ever to make with no actual increase in quality other visuals. They'd have to be stupid to want to do that.
@460252336
Not even worth the (You)
>you don't like it so that means you like it
I'm a Pokéfag
I have +30 plushies about Pokémon
I have 4 Kotobukiya figures (Lillie, Touko, Red and Chicken-chan)
My favorite Pokémon is an obscure Pokémon and one of the most hated on this franchise
Said that, I think Game Freak is terrible making games. Maybe I like how Pokémon designs are, not Pokémon itself.
TPC should be a design company, not game developers. Actual game developers should be able to buy the rights to use the monsters to make different games without restrictions.
Detective Pikachu was an excellent game to know how many Pokémon work, even if it was ridiculously easy. Main games are just "hey I just encounter this dude on the grass" and use them as weapons without more context. This is boring and ironically it's the opossite most Pokémon games try to convey to us: "Pokémon are friends!! They are living beings!!". Then why the fuck you don't know any Pokémon of most of the important characters in any game before battle them?
You thread was about graphics, right? My point is the graphics are just one of many issues on this franchise. The only good thing in this franchise are the designs: cool Pokémon are loved for most of the fandom, and obscure Pokémon has actually cool gimmicks, context, roles and mechanics to be excellent Pokémon.
>take longer than ever to make
Oh fuck, 1 (ONE) year without playing Pokémon???
Dear lord Jesus oh nonononono. I need it NOW, because it is the only fucking garbage I play and in-between releases all I do is autistic shit like hunting shinies and Nuzlokes!
Those were the animations used in LGPE
Seems dangerous, if you ever miss the pokemon and have the pokeball touch the ground, the titan might go into the ball.
Pokémon are fucking tools.
Fuck that Amie, contest, partner Pikachu/Eevee shit.
Yeah, big whoop, you found scrapped walk cycles.
Now put the cycles in the game, optimized, downscaled, and able to interact with the environment, avoid NPCs, and other features.
Cause all you posted was them walking on a fucking void.
Fucking autist.
>TPC should be a design company, not game developers.
TPC doesn't make games. All they do is watch over the brand.
Not unless you really have a hankering to play through gen 1 again. There's very little new content.
It's always 1 step forward and 2 steps backward with Gamefreak
>Pokémon are fucking tools.
Actually they aren't, but the game has nothing that make us thinking the opossite. "now you can pet a Pokémon!! Yay!!" while the only one you pet is your favorite while the other 5 are ignored. Their feelings aren't even known, you only see how they fight with no purpose even if you hate them or don't give them food.
The state of Pokémon has been on a downward spiral since XY. The jump to 3D was not easy for gamefreak and not what the franchise was hoping for. The 3D games, while they looked pretty, were incredibly bland, easy, boring and yes, soulless. The best thing to come out of gen 6 was the PSS, ORAS’s dexnav (personally I think soaring was awesome too) and making deoxys catchable. Megas were a very poorly implemented decision and ever since that interview with Masuda and Ohomori where they admitted to putting less into Pokémon games because “kids today have so many options because of phones and instant gratification” it has really shown in gen’s 6 and 7.
Imagine defending GF for doing the most minimum amount of work possible.
Better then. If they see GF are a bunch of faggots, why the fuck TPC don't take away the rights to make the main games and give them to a serious developers
>A game series all about evolution is terrified to actually evolve itself
Like pottery.
Imagine being mad that you couldn't see your waifu pokemon walk behind you at all times.
Gamefreak sucks ass. But boo hoo, you're fucking crying over 'MUH WAIFU ISN'T BEHIND ME'
Detective Pikachu had good cutscenes. Not excellent, but better than any other on main games.
So Gamefreak put time into making walk cycles just to not even use them
Why even bother spending the time at all?
Because they still rack up millions with something that is no better than a mobile game sold by $3 thanks to the mongoloid fanbase.
You can't even try and give it some competition because the Americans will just shit on it to death with "IT'S JUST A POKÉMON CLONE IT'LL FAIL!!!" while said franchise sell in other places like Yokai Watch in Japan or the now dead Invizimals in Europe.
>TO MAKE US TRUE FANS ANGRY
is the usual response. Or that they hate the fandom.
Pokemon died with gen 5.
DQXI was such a pretty game.
But that game wasn't by GF. This is the big problem: Game Freak
A real response, please
Cause it would take way to much effort to incorporate over 700, pushing 800, different walk cycles on the overworld map, especially when everything's 3D now, and would drop frames or go to cut corners.
The actual answer is most likely because they are not good at planning. Quick example of their genius is the fact that instead of "downsizing" the pokemon models because they're too high poly, they instead just use the high poly models and make the game lag whenever there's three models on the screen.
But what I'm asking is why even spend the time working on them if there's no chance at using them?
Monolith had something like 40 people available to make Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Meanwhile, Let's Go needed 100 people and they still had trouble developing it.
How a developer can be as incompetent as Game Freak is just beyond me, nowadays you get indie shit that looks higher budget than the average Pokemon game.
>make the game lag whenever there's three models on the screen.
In battles, I mean. Forgot to mention.
Funny that they also introduced these models in the same generation where they implemented horde battles.
I think they were made for battle animations but not used at the end. Clear example: Toucannon using Flying Z-Move.
It’s not really a necessary feature but if it’s possible then why not just do it just for the sake of doing it? Just like in HGSS
How the fuck can you make this shit lag?
dq11 is the best game on that list just because of the mods.
i agree with how lazy pokemon has become though
Gamefrak is an embarrassment. And what's worse, even with how bad Sword and Shield look, even when it has nothing to render, you can be sure it will run at 22fps. Heck, the trailer is already choppy.
It's weird to hear that Nintendo said the new Metroid game was basically scrapped and restarted because it wasn't meeting their standards. However the new Pokemon, which is the second highest earning Nintendo franchise looks almost identical to the 3DS game that came out 2 years before. So it apparently does meet their standards, or Nintendo is just very hands-off with Gamefreak.
For their second highest earning franchise behind Mario, they need to start putting some of that money earned back into it. Take on the development themselves or massively overhaul Gamefreak.
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOO
Good thing on XC is seeing monsters living as actual living species and they are part of the environment. In Pokémon, you fight a random Pokémon you found in the tall grass. It's shamelessly artificial.
Game Freak must learn about other jRPG. They don't need big graphics, just give Pokémon more soul such as the XC monsters. It's comfy.
>For their second highest earning franchise behind Mario
Pokémon is the biggest cash maker in the world as of now.
They don't give a shit about the games looking like early PS2 titles because it'll still rack up billions in games, cards, plushies, toys and dvds.
What Pokémon needs is going back into sprites.
>Pokémon is the biggest cash maker in the world as of now.
Yeah I'm talking purely games
I don't know how revenue for everything else gets split between Nintendo, Gamefreak and Creatures inc.
Metroid is first party, Pokémon is second party. Nintendo can’t tell Game freak to do anything, there just responsible for publishing their shit and they own some Pokémon trademarks, they have no power over gamefreak
Metroid is also considered second party, no? At least before they scrapped it and took it on themselves. The same could be done with Pokemon could it not?
>2019
>Every important franchise made with sprites are 3D now
>Some of them even changed the gameplay cause the 3D don't benefit the old gameplay, but the change was successful
>Meanwhile Pokémon fandom: "THEY NEED TO GOING BACK INTO SPRITES"
Pathetic.
>Muh graphics
Don't care, Pokemon has a fine aesthetic that works for what it is. Just wish they'd make the games a bit harder instead of constantly dumbing them down because "we gotta compete with phone games"
NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shame how whoever made this decided to focus on the graphics.
How about the reality that all of these games are absolute shitstains, gameplay-wise?
Oh I forgot, it's a quote unquote RPG, so it's exempt from having mechanics that video games made by actual passionate developers were implementing 35 years ago.
Japan is a cancer to the genre. They need to fuck off and just stick to Action games "with RPG elements".
>inb4 but that's what FFXV is
Yes, and Square needed to fuck off precisely around the time they began. You could wipe their existence from the face of the earth and what could possibly be lost? Final Fucking Fantasy Tactics, the retarded sibling of Tactics Ogre?
Fuck JRPGs. Mechanically desolate, narratively ass backwards, all style with no substance, yet still somehow referred to as RPGs despite having the depth of VNs.
>Pokemon has a fine aesthetic that works for what it is
Most of these screenshots also show species coexisting with the environment. Show me when Game Freak did this well.
>Don't care
There it is!
Oh yes, another shittilly made, generic 8 bit rpg. Thanks for showing your game here, user, now you can know the time you spent making it was pointless, cause you will never succeed in life, you fucking cumrag.
kill yourself boomer
>MUH GRAFIX
>Thinking a sprite game of Pokémon made today will look like this
You are a delusional.
>MUH POKEBROS CAN'T DO NO WRONG PIKA PI PIKACHUUUUUUU
OP's games are the same exact garbage from 1980, except with "enhanced" graphics.
I'd never want you to kill yourself, but you can fuck right off to you cancerous mass.
>"MUH GRAFIX"
>Ignoring that I asking for more Pokémon repercussion on the environment as these games did, not the graphics itself
Can you stop to defend the franchise with no serious reasonings?
Shut the fuck up, hater.
/vp/ is constantly shitting on new games what are you talking about
>Ignoring that I asking for more Pokémon repercussion on the environment as these games did
This would effect the games because you would know what Pokemon are in the route before you even get into a battle, ruining the surprise.
Yeah, just look at that Pidgeotto flapping his wings in place just to ram itself against a wall 5 seconds later.
Based Gamefreak.
Walking AND running animations. For all 800 Pokémon. All that work, all that game data bloat, and it was NEVER USED for anything but Let's Go PikaVee's 153 Pokémon. It's fucking baffling how GameFreak can make a successful game. And this isn't a new development too - in GSC, the Moon Ball, a Pokéball that was supposed to make it easier to catch Pokémon that evolved via a Moon Stone, didn't work as intended. Instead, it made Pokémon that evolved via a Burn Heal easier to catch. You know, all zero of those Pokémon.
Gamefreak not breaking the bank to make their games is exactly WHY they're profitable.
>Instead, it made Pokémon that evolved via a Burn Heal easier to catch
We need Pokemon that evolve after using enough of certain healing items on them.
>Xenoblade Chronicles
>You can see herd of monsters living as actual animals
>Some mammal monsters rest on the grass peacefully
>Some monsters drink water and eat grass while walk
>Flower monsters act as actual flowers unless you attack them or they see you
>Pokémon
>Every Pokémon walking on the grass
>No one gives a shit about your presence
Nice try. See you when this gimmick come back in SwSh. Oh wait! It don't happen
Hahaha, if it only was the Moon Ball!
>The status conditions of paralysis, burn, and poison, increase the catch rate by 0 as opposed to by 5
>The Love Ball gains a catch rate of 8× on Pokémon of the same gender and species as the player's Pokémon, rather than on Pokémon of the opposite gender.
>The Fast Ball is supposed to quadruple the catch rate against all wild Pokémon that can flee, but only does this for three of them: Magnemite, Grimer, and Tangela, instead of the Legendary Dogs, the face of fleeing Pokémon and advertised as the ones to use those balls on.
>Any Pokémon that uses Transform is regarded as a Ditto in its new form; this means that if the player catches a Pokémon which has used Transform via Mirror Move, instead they will obtain a Ditto.
>Mr. Mime just walk on the grass
>Doesn't act as an urban mime, just walk
>Voltorb
>Doesn't act as a mimic, just walk
>Machop
>Doesn't try to show how strong it is, just walk
>Oddish
>Doesn't act as grass, just walk
>Tauros
>Doesn't attack you when it see you, just walk
Based, is it?
What, you came crying here because somehow /vp/ wasn't enough of a circlejerk for you? That's fucking pathetic.
Pretty much this, but there's still some things that are hard to deny.
Like how the gameplay has regressed (somehow) to retard capacity.
I get not being worried about making the greatest looking game ever and competing with Square-Enix in that dead end department, but they're still padding these fucking terrible games out with horrible cutscenes and dialogue for no discernible reason, while attempting nothing except fumbling with the mechanics and introducing dumb shit like Mega Evolves. Can't introduce genuine difficulty settings that balance the gameplay to actually have, well, ANY difficulty. Can't introduce an adventurous tone, instead have to have fifteen hours of cutscenes telling the player they're on an adventure when they're really a railroaded guided tour of shit, uninteresting worldbuilding and insufferable characters.
Gamefreak is lazy, but graphically is the absolute last problem on the list.
Nice to see Yea Forums has its priorities straight, though.
>mechanics that video games made by actual passionate developers were implementing 35 years ago
Like?
Square Enix has had a major contribution to RPGs and narrative fantasy setting in video games in general. They have fallen off recently, but you can't ignore their huge repertoire including games like Final Fantasy 9, Chrono Trigger, The Mana Series, Front Mission, Xenogears, Grandia, Valkyrie Profile, The World Ends with You etc... Which all had unique and varied gameplay mechanics.
Hell, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 has amazing gameplay and that was the only thing that kept me trudging through that disaster of a story.
There are plenty of good Western Developers although you can argue that the western part of the industry, save for the indie studios and a few memorable outliers, has lost any semblance of soul or passion in the last decade whereas JRPGs have heart put into them now more than ever.
There is nothing wrong with turn-based combat and you're a retarded fucking casual if you think that's the case. I kindly suggest you go back to whatever the fuck subreddit you came from.
Better than Xenoshit at least.
There was some charm in them
It's sad, really. They're reusing the same fucking models from two gens ago with a minor tweaks on a few of them. The fucking animations are also a huge disappointment. They're slow and boring as shit to look at. Battles fucking drag out for too long sometimes because of this shit. I'm not going to bother talking about the graphics, but the jump from 2.5D to 3D was just absolutely horrid.
>That Pidgeotto
Wait, is this actually your argument? I cannot stop laughing you unironically posted this
Well, Gamefreak's audience has spoken and this is what they want. Might as well make ALL that money.
you're right, we can't expect something like that from a little indie shop like gamefreak
>minor tweaks
Yeah, please STFU.
Yeah, better see how Pokémon walk randomly and ram itself against a wall instead monsters acting as living species. Thank you for your well explained argument
Go jerk off to your wifus, incel.
SEETHING
Have sex.
I didn't talk about the gameplay, story or characters. But you did it when you lost every discussion in this thread.
You are pathetic, as usual in the Pokémon fandom.
One more thing, I played all generations. I'm a Pokémon player, but I'm not blind like you. Now shut the fuck up
Cope.
the fucks at GF may be really awful at working on 3d models but their 2d sprites were on point, the only needed to improve more in animation though.
Almost every RPing mechanic relating to D&D from Wizardry: Proving Grounds.
Removed from DQ (some of which was later retained in the Job System, which is nowhere near as deep because of the lack of balancing) in favor of greater aesthetic, which of course ties back into FF which had absolutely fuck all going for it other than it removed DQ's grind.
Credit where it's due: Squaresoft used to give at least half a shit. I'd say they reached peak at FFIV, and no not because of the garbage narrative emphasis you're trying to pretend is a point in favor of the series, but because ATB's evolution was as close as the franchise came to being a proper video game, despite the unfortunate lack of the previous iteration's job system, ironically absent because of the dogshit narrative.
Square are as necessary to RPGs as ass hair is to my sphincter muscle.
They definitely had more going on than Enix, but after FFVII's incompetence sold like hotcakes they threw out all of the teams and design focus of every series you mentioned.
They're hot garbage who betrayed everything about video games in favor of horribly written stories and characters wrapped in what is otherwise unoriginal worldbuilding, all while ignoring RPGs and video games.
Let me make it abundantly clear; I have no particular love for WRPGs. They had more going on in my opinion, had being the operative term because they're practically a nonexistent breed nowadays except for nostalgiabait and eurojank, but even the most mediocre of iterations I believe always focused on and advanced the original idea for the genre and its roots, rather than the paltry excuse that Square, Enix, and Square-Enix considered to their original blatantly diluted knock-offs to be.
>(cont.)
Square has contributed nothing to narrative fantasy. Everything they do or did are references to greater authors and creators, spiced with Japan's knack for emotionally void dialogue.
I absolutely dare you to name a decent author in Japan's history, modern or classical. They're fundamentally incapable of characterization beyond browsing tvtropes and running with that basic outline.
>There is nothing wrong with turn-based combat and you're a retarded fucking casual if you think that's the case. I kindly suggest you go back to whatever the fuck subreddit you came from.
Lmao, whoever mentioned that?
The original RPGs, even D&D ARE TURN BASED.
SRPGs are turn-based, and they have more proper gameplay and balancing than JRPGs, particularly Squareshit, have ever had.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Turn-Based combat. It's a fundamental building block of one of the oldest games in history. Hell, it's the established formula for MOST games that humans have played for centuries.
And DQ/FF is the absolute bottom of the barrel for it, and gameplay in general. These fucking games have less going on than Monopoly. For fucks sake, "Go Fish" has more stratagem than Final Fantasy.
So you can take that undue projection and shove it back up the Hellscape that is your ruined asshole.
>Implying waifu threads doesn't exist in /vp/
Go jerk off to your Gardevoir and Lopunny, hypocrite