What happens when this happens?

>Save $200
>Still can't play any new games cause the drivers are fucked
So basically you wasted $249 on nothing. I don't get how AMD people have the balls to come cry about a game not working when you can clearly see from the prices that you are getting an inferior product

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Nice 2010 memes there

Cause I am an oldfag

to be fair the 570 is very old

It would be amazing if someone were able to finally cause a price drop, but I just can't take AMD shills seriously anymore.

>Radeon RX 3080
>Geforce RTX 2080
It’s only confusing if you’re a retard.

I haven't came across a game that doesn't work with my RX 580.

the 1650 runs on pci power only. find me a 570 which can do the same thing. nvidia aren't retarded like amd are they know where the market stands. those 1650 will sell like hotcakes because there is a huge market for toaster poorfag pc's just look at the success of the 750 ti and 1050 they're 2 of the best sellin gpu of all time because they're compatible with literally any pc which has a pci slot.

Yeah, i enjoy 720p and low settings too

People will just keep buying Nvidia anyway. Ryzen is better value than Intel right now and it's not like Intel are hurting much, is it?

Intel is the go-to hardware to slap on pre-builts for offices, isn't it?

who woild buy an rtx card? for nvidia you get a 1670 or whatever the its called now.

Ryzen is dogshit. Assembled a budget general use PC for my friend with a 2600x and a 1050Ti and it ran slower than my intel PC several generations ago

Yeah I'm sure it had nothing to do with that destitute tier 1050Ti.

1080p max settings, but believe whatever helps you sleep at night nvidiot.
bullshit

I don't care. I just want whats best.

Ryzen is good, the Navi GPUs will probably be good too. People will continue to argue about which computer part they think is better while everyone else just makes their decision and plays video game. The only company really losing at all right now is intel. Id hate to be working for them right now

How is the driver situation with amd nowadays? Had awful experience with them but that was several years ago

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holy fucking owned!

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Their drivers are actually really good now. OpenGL is still shit but other that theyre stable. Some people say moreso than nvidia now but I dont know. They had an initiative one or two years ago to get drivers up to snuff and it worked

Maybe it would've had anything to do if it was actually a gaming PC. It took it several minutes to even become responsive after booting and all the programs like Photoshop and AutoCAD booted after 20 seconds of waiting. Not to mention the constant BSODs that stopped only after underclocking RAM to pleb performance. But it would've probably been better if I bought a Radeon card, wouldn't it? :^)
Cope harder ayymd shill. You're a poorfag and you'll always be.

I have not had a single driver issue with my amd card in the past five years I have had it. And I run a lot more than the average user as my pc is not strictly for gaming. I also do photo work, video editing, 3D work, as well as 2D work
I am not even sure why people still parrot driver problems with amd cards

What I find most funny about Navi is how people are saying "ITS IMPOSSIBLE". Its pretty clear to me that Nvidia's soiled everyone's idea of a generational improvement. Gtx 900 series to 10 series equivalents was massive. The value proposition of Navi is just in line with what we've had in the past. And it seems AMD now had the money to do so now that theyre working with every company on earth

Kinda wack to be honest. Kept getting BSODs in Killing Floor 2 on my R9 380 and had to roll back to ancient drivers to be able to run anything

Hey remember when everyone was getting excited over the new AMD rele... oh wait nvm it turned out to be the radeon vii garbage fire

I do photo/video editing and have had a few hard crashes in the past but nothing lately

I have the 4GB version of that card from xfx and had no issue

Sounds like a user end error.

>calls someone poorfag
>but he bought a 1050ti
You will be culled untermensch

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>Computer starts acting up
>Without troubleshooting automatically assume it MUST be the AMD CPU and not the mainboard, RAM, or faulty PSU
Yeah that kind of shows me where your mind is, and how brainwashed people still are about AMD.

>1050ti

God damn why?
That's the price range where you actually want an AMD gpu.

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Their drivers have been fine for a long time. They release multiple drivers per month.

my last amd card was ages ago it wa sa great card but the drivers were so bloated and felt like they were hacked together. i had to install a bunch of .net framework crap and the drivers ran a bunch of garbage with them like mom.exe. i like nvidia because the drivers are light and simple, and by that i mean NOT the experience trash, just the drivers and control panel.

>that picture

My 2070 didn't go above 67 celsius, ever

I have a GTX 980 and have had abundant driver shitshows in the past, some where I've had to revert back when possible.

I dunno I'm convinced they both have abundant driver shitshows on occasion.

Probably. Radeon VII had a terrible launch due to driver shit but thats because its a rushed card which is a remnant of a past executive's decision they wanted to get rid of as quick as possible

Way to show your underage. It's from around 2010 when AMD's no drivers meme was 100% accurate and Nvidia's Fermi cards were house fire tier.

Not my budget, he couldn't afford a 1060 (note it was during the bitcoin boom) and he wasn't using it for gaming amyway.

Buying AMD is an user end error indeed

I will always buy Nvidia™ because I only play games The Way It's Meant to be Played™. Nvidia also pioneers innovative new technologies like PhysX™, Gameworks™ and the highest quality driver to ever grace Windows.

When I boot up with a brand new Nvidia™ Geforce™, I can experience the game just like it's meant to be played. Nvidia™ also delivers a far more smooth experience.

Nvidia Geforce™ is also very power efficient. A graphic card is the most power hungry device in your house. Refrigerators, AC units, water heaters, dishwashers, lights, etc all use significantly less power than a graphic card. Which is why Nvidia™ puts gamers first by ensuring that their gaming experience is of the highest quality while looking out for gamers by giving them the most value in their electrical bill

At this point in time, there's really no reasons to consider an AMD graphic card at all. I tried one one time, it caused so much heat that it exploded. It also consumed so much power that it gave on an EMP and destroyed the rest of my computer.

Nvidia™ also pioneered how useless GPGPU is with CUDA™. Years ago, everyone thought GPGPU, CUDA™, and OpenCL were the future. Now, Nvidia™ has removed those useless features from their GPUs and increased efficiency. Now you can save thousands a year in electricity thanks to Nvidia™ ensuring that useless features like GPGPU are "optimized" for gamers.

It's quite clear that OP's an AMD shill trying to convince you to settle on something less than The Way It's Meant to be Played™. Nvidia™ is the only real way to play games. We have seen recently that they offer incredible libraries for software developers like Nvidia Gameworks. He is probably too poor to afford the Nvidia Geforce Experience and can not afford to play any games The Way It's Meant To be Played™.

Don't be a poor gamer with bad drivers and a huge power bill. Play games with the Geforce™ Experience™: The Way It's Meant To Be Played™

Ryzen will be a hell of a lot better than Intel over the next two years.
Intel is refreshing Skylake until 2022 for desktops.

All radeons were gone, the miners bought everything and literally all stores were out of stock

Yeah and India will be a superpower by 2020

There was some sort of research recently that showed AMD's drivers are more stable.

They overhauled their software a few years ago. Now have a pretty sleek control panel with lots of features. Pic related.

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You and him are obvious poor faggots, so poor you couldn't even spot him 50 dollars for a better card, if you had any balls
>you don't
You wouldve convinced him to get a better gpu, regardless of brand, you fucking braindead retard.

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The Duality of man...

a 1080ti is 0$ with google stadia so all this shit doesn't really matter any more.

people will just buy the one with the cooler and RGB they like more. that was peak tech all along. we knew it but we was scared of admiting it. we are building waterfountains that can connect to the internet.

profile inspector is what keeps me coming back to nvidia. i have seen radeonmod up and coming as the amd equivalent but that was a few years ago.

The goal isn't to inform the customer but to sell cards.

They already have nukes and over a billion people. Are they not a superpower?

>you must be a poorfag
If I was a poorfag I'd probably have a Radeon and a Ryzen

>google stadia
>0$
you wish

Nothing

does it have a bunch of dependencies that run with it or is it self contained in one nice and clean file that runs the background?

ITT: shillwars

Now apply those nukes to the billion to automatically raise the living standards and you have a superpower. I'd suggest your shit hut as the dropzone, Pajeet.

Well this is a good place to ask I guess,

Is a computer with an i7 8700 and an RTX 2070 for $800 a good deal?

Monkey paw; it’s used and a prebuilt from Best Buy.

>prebuilt
Enjoy your psu frying everything including a garbage motherboard. If it's used consider this: people don't sell their new RTX computers for no reason.

Honestly I'd buy that and strip out the valuables from inside for my own build, so yeah

google stadia games will literally be the same price or cheaper than steam you retard. its not a subscription they already said they going for a store approach google has literally a trillion dollars they can afford it.

>people don't sell their new RTX computers for no reason.
Maybe the reason was realizing that RTX is a trashfire and wanted to switch to a decent build

Its a little confusing.

It's at least as confusing as
>Wii
>WiiU

>Nintendo DS
>Nintendo 3DS
>Nintend New 3DS

Yeah I’m guessing everything else in the computer is shit. Best Buy lists it new for 1400, but still they had to cut corners somewhere.

I might do that but I think those are the only two things worth taking. The motherboard is ok and a power supply is probably bronze.

I’ve heard that the 2070s in particular have a high fail rate too. Probably fried his and wants to dump it.

if the i7 is a k chip and the rtx card is a decent aftermarket model then maybe. problem is its used and you dont how how badly the gpu was abused.

nobody is going to pay full price to stream a game. The big advantage to Stadia should be that you can rent a game for cheap instead of buying it. But publisher probably hate that.

Ryzen is great though, it's graphics cards that always dissappoint.

people still won't buy it because shit drivers.

It’s not a k sadly but surprisingly the card is a geforce model.

>this old meme
At this point the AMD driver has more features, better interface and doesn't require you to register and agree to spyware.

Make sure the card isn’t a FE or it’s fucked likely. Find out when the build was bought and make sure it wasn’t a display one or open box or some horseshit

same as every year. they finally fixed the drivers, for real this time we swear.™

more like a regional power, superpower implies an ability to project force/influence on a global scale. though I guess they are a "superpower" in projecting fecal power

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simply epic

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I upgraded from a GTX 760 to an RTX 590 fat boy 8gb of ram. I've loved nvidia but desu I dont notice a difference and my performance in games more then doubled, plus I can play run vr with my vive now.

There are a couple of other background processes that run for the overlay and hotkeys. They are tiny though, 3-4MB all together. The main process is around 100MB.

I'd rather have a display model than one the came from who knows where

i never understood why a company that prides itself as the budget solution would release products where you needed a more expensive power supply to use it, a faster cpu to handle the driver overhead or more expensive ram to keep ryzen from getting shat on.

ryzen is beating the shit outta intel though. it's their gpus that currently suck

ATI cards and AMD chips were always poorly optimized last time I bought them. That was 12 yrs ago but I doubt anything's changed

>At this point the AMD driver has more features
no it fucking doesn't. the latest nvidia drivers just gave us all RT without needing RTX which isn't something amd can claim at all. they also gave us some ANSEL updates and the nvidia freestyle game filter. the only thing amd had over nvidia was freesync support universally yet now nvidia supports that so there is literally 0 (ZERO) benefit to owning amd over nvidia because nvidia offers more for generally the same price (unless you're looking ultra low end but even then nvidia offers the best performance without a power plug).

>better interface and doesn't require you to register and agree to spyware.
no.the interface for nvidia is massively superior. i know this because i use an amd apu pc at university for my games and even the fps counter has some black fucking boarder around it which is annoying as fuck they can't do anything right. as for drivers you can download them straight from the nvidia site you lying shill.

Imagine being a 2080 Ti.

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>my master is better than your master
this is a video game board, not blacked.com

yes they are retard. most people see better graphics watching a twitch stream than they have ever seen on their physical PS4 or PC.

you are just a dumb cunt.

also they will have rent game options as well.

they gonna win mark my words their specs are superior to PS5 and xbox4. only thing that could beat google stadia now is twitch(amazon) console being announced with epic specs and massively subsidized

Inside the mind of an Nvidiot

you realize google stadia's picture quality is 5x better than twitch on highest setting?

5x times the bandwidth too and even comes with input delay free

please help, I get some wicked screen tearing in chrome while scrolling/watching videos
I've tried disabling HW accel in chrome, disabling smooth scroll, forcing V-sync in the nvidia panel, enabling/disabling desktop composition and it just won't work. Am I just SoL? Can't think of anything more to fuck around with. Also, could this be because of my OC? I don't see how it could, since it's not running anywhere near those speeds while browsing, but it's information.
Do I just have to switch to firefox at this point?

use ddu to wipe your driver the recent windows updates have been messing with graphics drivers. re-install the driver and select application controlled for vsync in nvidia control panel.

100ms input delay isn't alot

PS4 all have 90ms input delay from vsync that stadia wont have. no one can notice 10ms not even coldzera.

twitch has 5000ms lag by comparison its not comparable at all. twitch servers are trash compared to googles.

I will buy one if it does. It won't happen, AMD GPU department knows how to murder sales.

>100ms input delay isn't alot
are you for real? even trash office monitors get you down to 50ms of overall processing signal delays
proper low ms monitor gets you under 20ms of processing signal
10ms is a difference between 60 and 25 fps you know.

>10ms is a difference between 60 and 25 fps you know

It's not, but I agree with you otherwise so whatever

thanks mate, will give it a shot

>1080p max settings on old games and mediocre graphics games
Ok

the fuck are you talking about, a 580 or 1060 runs anything in 1080/60 easy

>PS4 all have 90ms input delay from vsync that stadia wont have. no one can notice 10ms not even coldzera.
I literary notice 5ms increase in input lag and I don't play competitively

100ms is absolutely fucking massive, it makes fucking V-sync look good

Just get a 1660 if you really need to upgrade my dude

Otherwise wait it out another generation of cards for the ray tracing compatible cores to actually be powerful enough to take advantage of real ray tracing... and also wait for some real games to actually be using ray tracing.

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The RX 3080 will probably beat the RTX 2070 or be on par to it, you are paying $250 for the ray tracing shit

I've been using my 2700x without issue and before you call me an amd fanboy this is the first amd cpu I've bought in my whole life and I'm 27
protip any xx50 card is garbage

>2080Ti is 1493.92 €
I can build a whole new PC with that kind of money. But yeah, should I just wait for one or two more RTX GPUs to come out before getting one?

He's a shitposter, don't even bother paying him attention. Both 2600x and especially the 2700x are fantastic CPUs. Even more so if you play above 1080p.

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Intel still makes the best gaming PCs for high end components, tho maybe Zen 2 will be poppin since at best maybe Intel releases a 10 core 14nm+++++++++ CPU this year and we won't see any 10nm on the desktop til 2020, my 8700k still going strong but I would always like to upgrade

Does AMD also have a suspicious black box in all their hardware, equivalent to IME?

they made nice looking UI for them but the drivers are still shit

Recent leaks suggest 10nm won't arrive until at least 2021, potentially 2022.
google.com/amp/s/amp.tomshardware.com/news/intel-roadmap-comet-lake-client,39185.html

I'm pretty excited to see Intel cram more cores into skylake to try and compete with Zen 2 and 3. 9900k is already a fucking housefire waiting to happen.

>just bought a 2600x and RTX 2060
Kick rocks, dorks

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1000x this, AMD are forever 2nd rate dogshit products only fucking retards buy.
Team red is only a few points above console cattle.

You know your ISP is the one monitoring your piracy habits the most right? No one smaller than the Pentagon is worth Intel's time when I comes to spying, but ME is gay that's why you can disable it

you're living in the past

If Intel was smart they'd retire the 115X socket and create a new socket that uses the same mounting holes as their HED X299 (so coolers are already exist and can be readily available) even just expanding the size of their CPUs would help with their cooling

That is a fucking great deal. In Australia, just buying that cpu and card would cost AUD1320 (USD 920). I would unironically buy it just for parts.

I mean CPUs AMDs doing fine, GPUs radeon hasn't been better except on the budget side since the Fury X, Vega isn't bad tho just fell to Fanboy hype. If I didn't have a 1080ti I'd buy the VII over the 2080 anyday since it has 16gbs of vram

>mfw buy a ryzen 7nm and navi with 2070 performance for 2060 price in mere months
LMAO @ you

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$299 2700x > $369 8700k

literally laughing at intel fags that refuse to acknowledge ryzen as the superior cpu. even the lower 5 series is outperforming intel's i3 and i5, while costing roughly the same, if not less.

let's also not forget that the 9700k gets bodied by the 2700x in multitask performance. a $400+ cpu struggling against a $299($250 on sale) competitor.

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I've had plenty of AMD cards over the years, had a 9800XT especially for Half Life 2. The last one I had, the R9 280 had such shitty driver support I vowed to never buy AMD GPUs again.

Sadly it never happens.

I hoped a long time for AMD to deliver a better product for less money, but if you read that sentence you know how dumb that sounds.

ive had amd cpu. No thanks I'd rather take less performance more money and not deal with amd bullshit issues.

>superior
Maybe if you spend your days rendering videos of your microdick.
For games it certainly isn't.

>r9 280
you mean the card that had 1gb more vram than gtx 770 and was like $50-100 cheaper and ended up performing better in the long run compared to the GTX 770? you out your mind man.

What would she smell like haha

>buying ryzen
Yikes. Dont think you have much room to "lmao" (What?) at anyone, my dude.

>the price difference between 1050ti and 1060 was 50 dollars during the buttcoin craze
...no

what do you think a 2600x is you stupid fucking retard?

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SOUL
vs
SOULLESS

this
what kind of retard actually believes it was a $50 difference. the 1050ti, at its lowest, was around $159. the 1060 was easily pushin' up on $280+

my broke ass had to buy a 560 after my card died, since I needed something cheap to hold me off until prices returned to normal.

Oh good, even poorfags can now afford the level of performance the rest of us had 3 years ago.

>mfw amd will have RTX 2080 performance for half the cost
>its highest card will be 30% cheaper than 2080 ti and perform better
>mfw nvidiots will absolutely seethe with rage

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I don't pay attention to AMDs offerings. Too low quality for my usecase.

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>its highest card will be 30% cheaper than 2080 ti and perform better
Yes, in 2021

3 years of use will add enough hidden costs in power bills to make it more expensive than an nvidia equivalent.

>even nvidia knows intel is overpriced garbage
holy shit, intel fags are now the apple fags of computer parts

>his $3000 rig will only beat my $1500 by 10%
>he boasts about this
LOL

Nvidia still sells more because brand loyalty

RYZEN? MORE LIKE RISE UP
WE THE NEW KINGS OF THIS SHIT
2600X, 2700X, 1700X -- WE RUN THIS

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?

AMD fanboys overfocus on pricepoints. If Im not limited by budget concerns, why would I consider the budget options?

I don't really care if Navi beats a 2070 or not, just that it does something to bring prices down to more reasonable levels.

Ryzen and vega cards are pretty good.

Xfx cards are shit. Buy sapphire only when going amd. Msi is good but too expensive. Powercolor red devil is good as well

>he pays more than $0.08/kWh
also why does everyone pretend undervolt/overclocking isn't a thing? They added an undervolt button in the crimson drivers if you're too lazy to move some sliders around.

Most people here are probably too young to remember when this already happened about 10 generations back.
Nvidia released the GTX280 and it was pretty shit and overpriced, they hadn't had any real competition for years just like now. Then AMD launched the HD4870 which was cheaper and better. Caused Nvidia to drop prices on their cards instantly and the market was reasonably priced again up until recently.

Guys I have an i7 9700k, 16 gig RAM ddr4 3200 mhz and a rtx 2080.
So I am thinking of sending my 2080 back and getting a 2080 TI.
What do you guys think should I do it or stay with the 2080?
I play at 1440p and i only care for 60 fps. But I really want to be futureproof...

Nvidia used to make chipsets for Intel CPUs until they got completely cucked by them, so of course they aren't going to use an Intel

fucking lmao nvidia fucked up so hard with their 20 lineup they had to go back to 10

2500k + 970 = ?

Just buy a midrange card in 6 years.

Yeah their products are so bad. That's why Ryzen is taking over the market share, cause it's a bad product.

Maybe he wants to game today, their will always be better technology being released doesn't mean yours is obsolete, a watched pot never boils my friend

only support for dual channel ram you fucked yourself dont bother upgrading your gpu

stay and wait 2 gens

Ur wrong but whatever helps you sleep at night the 70$ is worth it if it's gaming PC especially for higher framerate, if you are a streamer or something then the R7 isn't bad but the 9900K is better

>muh graphs and bars are slightly longer than your graphs and bars
I've had experience with both Intel and AMD and Intel never gave me as many problems as AMD did

Because they live in 2nd world dystopias

Fuck no don't get a 2080ti, especially not to be "futureproof". It's marginally faster than a 2 year old card and twice the price. The most futureproof cards will be the ones that come out a year or two after the next gen consoles

Yea but that shit will be expensive then and selling my 2080 wont bring me much. These cards are so fucking expensive...

Dual channel is normal you retard. its basically the sweetspot

>I'll have better setup than you if I just Wait™ for my ayymd cpu

>budget build
>have an old GPU to upgrade
>have some money right now
>Navi is less than half-year away but there's no info on performance or price
Should I just get RX580/GTX1660 now and be done with it or wait for who knows what but supposedly "next gen"?

Oh damn is this true... It sounds logical though. But desu the new consoles will probably have gtx 980 gpus at most and the TI is like 4 times as fast as the 980ti

>1660
Why even upgrade yet
Save some cash and get a 1070 ti when its cheaper (used they run like 300)

play waiting game

> But desu the new consoles will probably have gtx 980 gpus
More than likely yes, they'll have pretty weak hardware. But hardware requirements on PC games always balloon like fuck when a new console gen comes out, especially memory requirements

used vga yes or no?

Ain't new consoles running on AMD apu not CPU+GPU combo according to the leaks?

Weird, my AMD setup boots and is usable in under 15 seconds. Guess you know shit about PC's and fault diagnosis.

*sip*
Remember when GPUs were called 'graphics accelerators' and were an optional component?

>fuck up the building process
>blame AMD
kek, stick to best buy pre-builts

>prebuilds

Ain't those things usually build with "biggest bang for buck and we didn't check for bottlenecks so enjoy 30fps on 5200RPM HDD and cheapo SSD"

Fuck those things. Different user btw.

yes they are mostly shit, especially the power supply, ram and motherboards in them

You owned him so much that he deleted the post

I'll be finally upgrading from my 290 to get 144 fps in new games. Novideo can get fucked.

bought this in preparation for cyberpunk 2077
jelly? (all negative replies will automatically be considered jelly as fuck)
nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/gJQ3J8

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Ok? We don't even have a release date for Cyberpunk yet.

>2000 bucks for a 2080 ti
Why?

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Whichever comes with better free games RX580 may last longer cause of the 8gbs of vram tho

>$2000 gpu
>pair it with that shit ram
>for cyberpunk 2077
lmaoing @ your life

pretty sure their minimum wage is $18

Poor or not, spending 2000 bucks on a GPU is retarded.

they get paid in whitebait and lord of the rings blurays

>stick to prebuilts
Remember to swallow your saliva drooling retard

>nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/gJQ3J8
dude why the fuck does the ti cost like 2000 dollars? Here in germany you get the fastest TI for like 1500 euro. And why would you spend 377 euro on a fucking motherboard?

imagine spending more than 200$ on a gpu in the last 3years to have google just hand out 1080ti's for free via the internet to every one in EU/NA during e3 2019 when stadia starts.

unironically all the 1070+ and 570+ owners are cucks that should have brought a ps4.

Artifacting and framedrops, is my guess.

>streaming
Yeah good luck.

It's over isn't it bros.

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More bank than brains

hey make sure you get geek squad support, I think you'll need it

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

My fucking sides left to orbit

I would rather have my 1080ti and 3D Mark then ever touch a console again

its obviously 2020

>t. jelly wagelets

>w-works on my machine ;^(
My own Intel PC boots in less than 10 seconds, and it's an i5 6600k, who's inferior now?

Look my man I would take your PC if you gifted it to me very happily. But paying so much for a motherboard? Cmon man 150 euro at most for a motherboard. 1200 euro at the very most for the 2080ti. The GPU you are buying, I can get for 1200 euro here...

>it's their gpus that currently suck
>currently
AMD/ATI GPUs have always been shit

Imagine buying Nvidia in 2019, right before Navi drops and AMD btfos them forever.

>HURR I BOUGHT DAH SPENSIVE CARD SO I COULD PLAY MAH FERTNITE

Make sure to dilate today you AMDtranny

I once had a Fury X, god what a piece of shit that was

whats your point

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>who's inferior now
you, because you actually care about what anonymous people on the internet think of you.

I don't care about ray tracing meme but since next gen is gonna arrive next I'm sure I would have to replace my gtx 1060 with a new card. Did Nvidia finally gone to shit because they are controlling the market? Can amd put out a good gpu next year?

I'm calling the fucking cops.

More housefires around the world

I don't even have a gaming PC, and I like Intel, but from what I understand, Ryzen is doing pretty well; obviously as we all know, Ryzen is superior in multi-core performance, but I think it is expected it will also be superior in single core performance with generation 3 Ryzen.

Also Intel is struggling to get 10 nm out of the door, while Ryzen 3 will be 7 nm.

I like Intel, and no one can deny their current edge in single-core performance, but the near-term future isn't looking very good for them, while AMD is looking pretty good.

>15 seconds
Goddamn grandpa, what's it like not having sub-5 second times back in 1995?

>waglets
m8 your ram is full wagelet, get low latency 3200 ram with that system or don't bother at all

Nope, Ryzen 3 won't beat Intel single core, Intel is too good in that area

>ram matters
lol

very anti semetic post

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Imagine still trusting AMD after the shitshow the Navi cards were
>HURR BUT I'LL JUST WAIT™ FOR A CARD THAT WILL MAYBE OUTPERFORM YOURS AND COSTS LESS ON RELEASE, MY MOM WILL COVER THE ELECTRIC BILLS ANYWAY

I know at this point is a meme to hear to always wait for the next series but consider this.
1) Most Ray traced games don't seem to have that much added there is not also many of them either
2) Is so heavy that you might have to trade other things for it, like framerate or resolution
3) The PS5 will have ray tracing enabled
6) AMD will have Ray tracing on their GPUs, (PS5 GPU is made by AMD)
That said, I firmly believe that you, we should all wait, because we don't know how AMD RT will be, how most developers will work with it, given that a major console now has it, should mean that within 1-2 years most big developers will have to put Ray Tracing on the game, because you can bet your ass SONY will bank on that and ask developers to have it on.
So imagine most big games having it, becoming average consumer material, thus either AMD or Nvidia put out GPUs that can give you Ray Tracing and good framerate, or the developers will have to actually start optimizing for it, will it be at the cost of something? Who knows.

I think this is one of those cases where you know how the pieces will move, but not how that is going to affect the board, like knowing there is a tsunami, but not knowing how it will impact the place and how the government will react to it.

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Oh oke that changes it

Nothing is going to beat the 2080ti except for the next big TI version.

I don't give a shit what people think of me because it's a goddamn anonymous forum after all, what pisses me off is people so delusional that they think thier indian knockoff chips can compare to high performance gaming PCs

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Amd has no chance in single core. There best cpus have a boost clock of 4.3 while the i7 9700k has something like 4.9

>The PS5 will have ray tracing enabled
>believing Sony’s bullshit

the midrange turing cards were disappointing as well so if navi is a failure there is no point in upgrading at all

You would have thought they would have had a product person on hand; just someone who knows how the product works and could give advice.

Black and Red are my favorite colors (tho silver is up there) I love AMD's looks Have to give up my swag for power though

>people fapping over new generations of cards
>meanwhile still playing on a gtx 670
Nvidia pricing is still fucking retarded after that crypto meme

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Hope AMD gets their shit together by the time my 2060 needs to be replaced, it'd be nice to have actual competition so the prices will be lower.

It can largely affect 1% lows and in 200+ fps scenarios reduce cpu bottlenecking. Getting shitty ram with that system makes no sense

you sound like you think about trannys a lot

Might as well buy a second 1080ti then

What did they mean by this?

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>Pic is 10 years old.

>Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill

>AMD
youtube.com/watch?v=BcL5kbLFBdA

I have to deal with their shitposting daily, after all. Just look at the state of this website

This, I’ve been a PC gamer for a long time and there has been no point where AMD/ATI have been a better pick than a NVIDIA

>clock speed = a linear indicator of performance
Base techlet.

you nigs are like those console nigs
>next time for real!
every time

>twitch has 5000ms lag
You don't play games through twitch you fucking subhuman, you watch them. If you think a 90ms INPUT delay, not just network ping (where your inputs aren't delayed but the consequences of them are) isn't fucking horrendous you obviously don't even play video games
kill yourself, discord transvestite

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AMD was always appealing to the budget gamer, always will be

If you said Intel and AMD I might have believed you

fuck are you talking about? I had 290 and it was the best card i ever had, shitting on another gen nvidia cards with amds driver support.

It's pretty bad. At least they stay out of tech threads cause, like game journalists, they don't know shit about it

60fps is 16ms lol, stadia may improve but now its slideshows

>frogposter is the peak of mt stupid
Imagine my shock. Tip: even with the best PC on the market, total round trip time from your input to the response on the screen is still 80ms or above.

So you've been a PC gamer for 5 years? The R9 290 was a masterpiece

Now double that again and you have stadia!

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Is there anything more pathetic than PC graphics card wars?

Dedicated PC gaming hasn't been a thing in over a decade. There is literally /nothing/ for you to get excited about in the PC space that will actually utilize your overpriced PC hardware.

PC gaming has been a console and indie dumping ground for a very, very long time now.

The days of Doom 3, Far Cry, Supreme Commander, Crysis, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, etc are long gone and are never coming back.

Ur clowning my ping on the game is between 15-40 and my monitor has a response time of 16ms I also have a 60$ mouse so that cuts that out of the equation where do I get the other 40ms

Do you think your PC computes game physics and generates frames with the power of tachyons?

>is there anything more pathetic than companies pushing technology forward
Yes it's the console war using the bottom of the barrel PC tech. What is Arma, what its RTS, what is flight sim, what is playing every game at 2160p Ultra 60fps, enjoy your console let me guess "dah PS5 has Ryzen PC gaming is Ded" just like how the PS4 was gonna kill PC gaming, even if 0 games ever came out again for the PC I wouldn't buy a shit tier console because there's nothing but gambling sims and movies on the console, plus the consoles can't even run more than one application at a time, pathetic machines

It means that those investment companies see both AMD and Intel as valuable stocks to hold. If the microprocessor market as a whole increases, then it is entirely possible for both Intel and AMD to profit, as they have done for the last couple of decades at least.

Corelets? When will they learn?

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>response time
???
response time and input lag aren't the same thing.

No Asians smashed rocks together and send lightning from the Sky Gods to make my CSGO work

are you some kind of actual retard or is this bait?
>what is doom (2016)
>witcher 3
>gta v
>arma 3
>kingdom come deliverance
to name a few, we'll soon be getting the master chief collection, but i cant add that to the list yet until we see how well they did with it
besides, nowadays people would rather push frames/resolution than graphics, as they already have the potential to look amazing, and improvements to graphics (currently) aren't as eye catching as they used to be.

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>even with the best PC on the market, total round trip time from your input to the response on the screen is still 80ms or above.
What causes this bullshit then? My brain? My reaction time? Adderall, boom I've OC'd my brain

> and non-DirectX APIs giving huge performance gains?
FYI, this is now known as Vulkan.

retard

I'm just telling you that response time and display lag are 2 different things. Response time is how long it takes for a pixel to change, display lag is how long it takes for inputs to be displayed.

Not gonna lie, I see the slight difference between 3 and 4 but I would never give up my framerate for it, Raytracing is a very cool thing but they gotta make it more efficient or it will be known as "cool but useless" just like PHYSX

>doom (2016)
A console game that was ported to PC

>witcher 3
See above

>gta v
See above

>arma 3
shit series that autists play. nonexistent optimization.

>kingdom come deliverance
indie garbage with barely any content

What I'm asking is how is it gonna take 80ms when my 144hz display has 1ms response time

Well feel free to play them on console then. Just don't whine when they look and run like shit.

you are fucking retarded
the 6000 polygon one is the original
the 60000 one is the same one, just subdivided
if you actually made a proper model with additional detail, it would look much better

You stupid fucks realize games are developed on PC and ported to consoles right this has been a thing since gen 5

holy shit you retard i just told you that response time is not input lag and has nothing to do with anything.

i don't see a single argument in your post, these titles all had extremely good pc support and were not simple shitty console ports. GTA V the least of the titles I listed, but still performed greatly.
As for ArmA, the performance/optimization isn't the key note here. It looks good, and performs very well for all the shit it does. You can set your actual view distance to twelve fucking kilometers of actual game, no smoke and mirrors and as long as your PC isn't shit it's still playable. That is fucking amazing, plain and simple.

>pc has the best versions of console games and extra niche games
sounds pretty good to me

Calm down nerd tell me what causes the 80ms delay on "even the most powerful PCs"

see
comptuers aren't magic

hitman runs worse on ryzen and it's one of my favourite recent games, i wish i bought intel

>I'm playing both sides, that way I can't lose

My 8700k and 1080ti never drop a frame if they do I turn the settings down or check if the game was made by ubisoft, 60 fps with 1000 explosions is the same as 60 fps with 5 explosions, give an example of what you mean by
>Do you think your PC computes game physics and generates frames with the power of tachyons?

lmao i have a Ryzen 2700X a RX 580 8GB and 16 gigs of ram and i play all games at 1080p Ultra and i never dip below 60 fps. I set some settings lower to get 144FPS tho.

wtf I have a rtx 2080 and I cant even play AAA games above 70 fps -.-

AMD is the only one letting you fantasize about your pc masterrace delusions. If it weren't for AMD no one would be able to afford a pc, and you'll just be bitching how your tiny population isn't getting anything for games.

Lordy, you're dense. The frame still has to be drawn after receiving your input and before being sent to the monitor.

>get Ryzen 5 and RX580
>can run anything modern on high at over 60 FPS
>ssd and shit boots up in literally 5 seconds or less

you fucked up the build retard

>intel won't have 7nm CPUs in foreseeable future
What happened?

Ryzen is a good value and all but people need to remove their Biases and see the truths, an RX 580 will be a better GPU with an Intel CPU for the time being, maybe the a Ryzen 5 fits your budget better than the 30$ more I5, whatever works but these things are objectively measurable and I have yet to see a game or GPU perform better on Ryzen blow for blow Ryzen 2000 series chips have the same IPC and 4th gen Intel chips. They attack people for buying the CPUs that perform the best for gaming for their gaming PCs calling them Corelets and shit when most games made today only need 4 cores no HT or SMT even, so choosing between the faster 9700k with 8 less threads than the 2700X should be based on the users budget and not misinformation spread by Fanboys

Okay what draws the frame then and where do you get the 80ms from, give me an actual answer and stop with the name calling. You're the one making up pseudoscience here you might as well come up with pseudotheories

Your fucking PC, you cretin. Do you think signal from M&KB just magically passes through to HDMI on the other end at 0ms?
You deserve every name you've been called and then some.

They tried to do too many things at once on their new process and it all went spectacularly wrong.

>what is doom (2016)
>witcher 3
>gta v
>arma 3
>kingdom come deliverance
All of these were released on consoles, apart from ARMA 3, which I've never even heard of because it's so irrelevant. It's only got a 74% on Metacritic so it's hardly an important game at all.

I think his point is that games like Crysis were sort of made for PC, with console ports later. Most of those games were released for consoles at the exact same time as for Windows (Doom, Witcher 3, KCD). And GTA V was of course a console-first release.

But that's factually wrong, I don't know why you would try and lie like this. GTA V was of course released on consoles first before being ported to PC. And Witcher 3, Doom, and KCD were all developed on consoles alongside PC, which is why the released on consoles as well as PC at the exact same time. You're factually wrong.

you've obviously fucked something up retard.

PC gaming sucks, it's in a dire state due to the joke prices of building a new PC. My PC is probably going to be the last I build for a while, might go for Nextbox due to proper backwards compatibility and PC support.

You keep dancing around the question, you said it's not refresh rate, it's not latency, it's not Response time. Theres absolutely no way it takes longer for GPU to render images and pass them through to a monitor 3 feet away then it does to send information to several states away. Do you even know the transfer rates of PCIE 3.0? Infinitely faster than the 1gb ethernet port on my motherboard. You are the retard for thinking that it's gonna take 80ms on the even the best PC

Sure, released on console and available at sub 1080p @24 fps, if you're lucky and nothing too straining happens in game, like having 10 NPC's or enemies on screen. Uncapped FPS on PC, any resolution you want, and the optimization to handle it.
>apart from ARMA 3, which I've never even heard of because it's so irrelevant
irrelevant, you sound like some faggot casual console gamer from this statement.

A good mid-range build costs ~600. It's not expensive unless you're going full retard pro gaymer build with 2 2080tis or some stupid shit like that.

It wont happen. AMD won't price their gpus that much lower than the competition.

You realize just because they are developed on a PC doesn't mean you have to release it right? You realize that most games are made in like the source, or unreal engine, try and download that to your console, how come Sony and Microsoft get in trouble at least once a year for having a E3 demo running on a high end PC? What year do you think it is the N64 dev kit was made and provided by silicon graphics and it was a PC

Ram is cheaper than ever, cheap radeon GPUS dominate the new budget market, AMD sell 4 core cpus for 90$, Pascal cards flooded Ebay you can get used 1080tis for 450$, it's a great time to be a PC gamer just like always

Considering RVII is already beating the 2080ti in a couple of benchmarks and the FINEWINE hasn't even been poured in yet, id say Navi is going to fucking erase novideo.

when are you going to get reasonably priced gpus? is there any hope left?
next gen consoles will have a higher default resolution than the vast majority of pc players and people still recommend you to get 1080p cards, jesus christ

>when are you going to get reasonably priced gpus?
With Navi I guess, rumours are for 250 bucks you get the same performance as 2070 cards.

Do you mean the 2080, cause I agree with you there but the 1080ti is about 10% faster than the VII and the 2080ti is about 27% faster than the 1080ti, no amount of drivers is gonna change a near 40% gap in power between the VII and 2080ti they are on different levels thus the 500$ difference

>apart from ARMA 3, which I've never even heard of because it's so irrelevant. It's only got a 74% on Metacritic so it's hardly an important game at all.

Imagine not having experienced one of the best examples of video games as a medium and thinking generic run of the mill yearly copy pasted iterations of the same games as prime example of what video games should be. Even as a clunky euro-jank military shooter it blows most games out of the water, very few games give you agency to act out your made up way of achieving mission goals, nothings more satisfying than being in control from macro to micro stages of operations and see them act out to the end. There's a good reason you haven't heard about it from your gaming-journos where you look up the scores, it doesn't hold you on a leash, it expects you to take pleasure from your achievements rather than instant gratification from XP numbers going up and things constantly assaulting you attention in fear of you getting bored.

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And they will run everything at 4K low 30fps your point? They are proabaly gonna rival the 1660ti a 279$ GPU from 2019 but I agree buying anything less than a RX 580 at this point is dumb cause you could get a used 1070 for like 200$

OH NONONONONO

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can a 1660ti run games 4k 30fps?

it still is GCN architecture. It's gonna be nothing and you fucking know it. The new ryzens on the other hand should be a quite nice upgrade over my 1600x.

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Alright you have 1 example even though I'm not gonna trust the testing methodology of people who can't even make graphs probably. Got anymore because 1 game isnt gonna make a difference because Dirt and Hitman are strong AMD titles too

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It can run it at 4K 60 if you adjust the settings probably medium, go watch some benchmark videos

> Imagine being loyal to a brand and not going for the best price to performance ratio
> Imagine being loyal to a brand and not just going for the product that is best for you
Whether you're pro AMD, NVIDIA or Intel, you're all garbage.
Just go where you have the best offer.
Also:
> People ITT bought a 1050Ti
LMAO

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>With Navi I guess, rumours are for 250 bucks you get the same performance as 2070 cards.
that's called wishful thinking, not rumors

350 would be more realistic

>made ny statement (7>2080ti in certain benchmarks)
>posted proof of my statement
>seething, you posted MORE proof of my statement while trying to move the goalposts

Id say a 700 americredit card beating one that goes for almost twice that amount makes it the better deal.

It was the best GPU to stick in Optiplexs, now the 1650 is (I hope lol haven't seen any benchmarks) while you usually get what you pay for theres a strange market for GPUs that run at 75w from the PCIE slots

I wish there were more companies making GPUs
two isn't nearly enough to have a functioning, competitive market

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What if you play more than WWZ though I'm not seething you're just delusional go look up how much better an RX580 is from launch to now, I bet it's not magically 35% more powerful

>AMD gpus have been nowhere near as good as nvidia gpus for gaming
>Because of that nvidia is jacking up prices for minimal performance increases

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Devs were paid off by AyyMD to deliberately gimp the performance of nvidia hardware.
Fuck AMD and AMDtards.

you just wait for intel
and tesla

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>brand loyalty
i cannot fathom a more pathetic thing to give your loyalty than some corporation that doesn't give a shit. Like, I'm running a budget build and like AMD but even I see the latest AMD gpu sucks cock.
>same exact price and performance as the 2070 with no raytracing

Since y'all AMDers always talk about "muh price to performance"

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this

>buying a rebranded stripped down gpu
Never go full retard.

Either buy a 1070ti or get a vega56 while they are being sold off cheap.

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This is your home you anglo abhuman. Have sex

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>Replying twice
Are you autistic?

actually based
people should be happy that amd gives intel & nvidia a run for their money and are challenging them so they have to lower the prices
instead we get shitty console war like fags boasting how they are loyal to a certain brand

it's fine, but OpenGL is still garbage on windows, so if you care about emulation Nvidia pulls ahead usually and is a better choice (at least until Vulkan is more widely adopted). That or go Linux and use the mesa drivers.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

why would Tesla get into GPUs?

GPUs are good at computing and processing image information, which is kind of necessary if you're getting into the self-driving car memes.

It's pretty insane. I spent maybe $1200 and it's still like "eeeh 1440p or 144hz? kinda iffy imofambro 1080p/60 is great though :-)" that's for spending over a grand. God help you if you want a 4k setup that's going to last.
It's really easy to see why some people are just happy with an Xbone and why most people on Steam still run old stuff.