Monitor Thread

>Linus Cuck Tips

Welcome to the future Grandpa

we got fun and games

OLED is pretty shitty for computer use with the plasma-tier burn-in, stick with IPS/TN/VA until MicroLED in a few years

no, it was after he got his vasectomy.

>OLED
>PC

Imagine the burn-in

I can't wait, the retards have been warned many times.

MicroLED will be the first panel type that really has no downsides. I can hardly wait.

>have original vita
>can't enjoy gameplay screens where the screen goes black because of those fucking blobs
what was I thinking?

Why would a twink need a vasectomy?

>MicroLED in a few years
I NEED IT NOW!
REEEEEEEEEE

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>$4,000

I'm not even considering the burn-in and terrible brightness and fake HDR. $4,000 for any monitor is fucking bonkers.

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Stop trash talking Linus. You KNOW that with all the hard work he's been doing and all the stress he's been under from constant heat from "people" like you, he hasn't been very healthy as a human being should be. Please be considerate and respectful for him.

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He has like 2 or 3 kids now.

Cannot wait for monday to buy my new monitor. Im tired on having to wacth porn in that tiny phone screen because i can only use the PC on my parents's room TV

pcpartpicker.com/product/LXMwrH/acer-xfa240-bmjdpr-240-1920x1080-144hz-monitor-xfa240-bmjdpr

I wasn't talking shit, he's /ourcuck/

Neither do I. I remember 42" plasmas being around that much when the first came out, though.

Same with literally everyone who becomes popular

>poorfag
>buy GN246HL just for the 144hz
>colors are washed out as fuck

I think I've made a big mistake

>poorfag
>buy 600 USD monitor
>it's my most prized possession
feelsgoodman

My OLED laptop is two years old and still kicking, desktop people are really missing out. Still cant wait for mLED thou, OLED needs way too much care in order to make it last.

>10 years ago
>AMOLED will change everything guys!
>look it's in a great $200 music player! The COWON S9! In just a few years it'll be everywhere!
>8 years ago
>LCD is over guys! The future is OLED! Finally near-CRT black levels! Great response time!
>just gotta wait for those prices to go down!
>6 years ago
>first OLED TVs are $8000
>just gotta wait for those prices to drop buddy!
>4 years ago
>second gen OLED TVs are still thousands of dollars
>well those are the big ones! They made small ones cheaply before, just you wait for monitors!
>3 years ago
>OLED is horrendously prone to image burn
>heh...still uh still better than CRT guys! Just wait! LCD is finished!
>we'll get OLED PC monitors some day. I swear!
>1 year ago
>Just you wait! The OLED gods are coming, finally CRT will be surpassed!
>T-they'll be cheap too!
>today
>CRT is still the best consumer display technology ever made and OLED never gained serious consumer traction. Imagine having to replace a $8000 display every 4 years with a $5500 one because they literally only last for 4 years at best.

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>he spends more on his TV than monitor

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I would understand /g/ shitting on Linus but Yea Forums? Why?

Hes at least "honest-ish" which is a lot these days.

god he looks old

>Want a 1440p 144Hz monitor

>All of them are 27 inches

Kill me. I want a 24-25 inch 1440p144hz monitor.

So this had not ever really been developed properly, but I see no current reason why a person could not build an LED television.

Not OLED.
Not LED LCD.

Just plain LED. Like this.
alibaba.com/product-detail/P4-indoor-led-display-solutions-video_60798327312.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.33.25ac6883NVeLCj

This is just one example. And people have done some experiments like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=n8O44UIK2FM

and even actually played some games like this demo:
youtu.be/KXi05BpfKRo

Since they are available in 256x256 and 512x512 sizes this is within the range of /vr/ era games. I'd love to see what full games look like running on one in person.

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Fuck off linus

Reminder
Projection > plasma > crt > mini led > led > oled > lcd

no, microled

you can, what do you think they use at concerts

CRT is the ultimate.

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SED was such an incredibly promising technology. Shame Jews killed it.

I can't afford to replace the suspension in my car because it got fucked from taking a CRT home.

This video has some NES games running on a 64x64 LED.

youtu.be/zAU_l-wHP1Y

But I want to see a 256x256 LED that can actually run the full 256x240 NES resolution.

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>My dad still has a plasma

>He wants to throw it away for a fucking led 55 inch 4k.

It's a Panasonic too.

the nes isn't meant to be viewed on a 256x240 display.

So why haven't retro gamers been building LED monitors for their games? Too obsessed with CRTs?

No, it isn't but it's a compromise I'd be willing to make in order to see the novelty of a true LED display running it.

CRTs look better and are the way they're meant to be viewed.

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found this video too
youtu.be/7aC29F_rxeI

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I don't care about the way they're meant to viewed. I used to own the PVM version of the monitor in that image. I'm bored with CRTs. I've gone beyond them. You will too in time.

you retards are treating oled panels like everyone treated ips back in 2008

>near-CRT black levels
OLED far exceeds CRTs, since they were never black to begin with
The only real problem is the burnin, which CRT also suffered

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I want to be in the timeline where the SED patent lawsuits and 2008 recession didn't happen.

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Because you only ever had a passing interest, you are a vapid fad follower.

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>OLED
You know its a big mistake when sony changes oled to regular led n keeps the proprietary memory card for version 2

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CRT burn in happens over the course of weeks of persistent phosphor activation. OLED happens over a few hours. There's literally no comparison to be made here.

I probably wrote a lot of the posts that got you obsessed with them in the first place.

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>literally grabbed the cheapest 1080p monitor I found and a 900p monitor from the refurbished stuff store nearby
>they work fine and look good
>dad found a VGA 15" screen for my PS3 for literally five bucks
>it works with an HDMI adaptator and looks fine

spending lots of money for good things is a meme

Friend fucked his CRT PC monitor having a static image on over night. Obviously OLED would have happened even sooner but the point is that CRT isn't the flawless technology you dinosaurs think it is. It's great for retro content, that's about it

stupid dumb, frog posting scum.

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>the stupid "CRTs can't show true black because the screen isn't a black abyss of nothing" argument again
hey dumb fuck turn off the lights then display a solid black image on your CRT and see what happens.

By your same logic an OLED can't display true black either because the screen still reflects light.

>over night
a single night isn't long enough to get CRT burn in. It is not an OLED. You grew up in a time where CRTs were being phased out and the second TV you experienced growing up was a flat panel. You have no real experience with the technology.

I am 38

>just turn off the lights
This is what LCD fags say except with the word "on"

>I am 38
You've already proven yourself to be a liar, you're 18.

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You only got interested in HDVS because of this photo I found on an obscure site and kept posting on Yea Forums, and that was years after I had already gotten kind of tired of CRTs.

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Am I the only one who's still fine with 1080p 60hz monitors from 2012
I like tech a lot but feel like I'm an out of touch old man because of stuff like this

guru3d.com/news-story/joled-starts-mass-production-of-monitor-oled-panels-10-to-32-next-year.html
yes. finally. or microLED, hard to tell depending what will be easier to produce, both technologies are better than LCD either way

Yes, clearly anyone who recognizes the actual limitations of CRT is someone who has never used it

I've never had a CRT that didn't break down.

Lmao what kind of shit car do you have? I've moved a washer and dryer across town in mine and nothing happened.

anyone else think Linus sounds a little like Todd? Is he his illegitimate son?

>trinitron

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they're just both white nerd manlets

>"the burn-in's no problem lol"
>purchase plasma screen tv
>fucking estus flask permanently burned into my screen now
THANKS TECHNOLOGY

Until you realize it's fixed-pixel shit only with tiny CRTs as the pixels. The idea was scrapped when they realized LEDs did the same thing but with less energy consumption.

>crt fags
How'd you like your geometry, pham?

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The limitations of OLED are not the limitations of CRT.

there is a 144hz 1440p 24" LG panel

>a broken monitor is representative of all monitors
take that shit back to the dumpster and try again another day

I just want higher refresh rates and lower lag.
I don't care if it's black and white.

Where.

Corsair found a way to make dense LED strips with like 24 RGB LEDs on an 8 inch long flexible strip. I don't remember the intricate process, but they got rid of all the little shells that contain the diode, it's straight on the strip. I guess that could potentionally end some next gen TV tech.

I'm pretty sure that's not the actual display and it's just a piece of paper printed taped onto it to look better to sell.

Reminder that emulation is better than the actual hardware

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Because the LEDs are huge, so the display would be huge, and therefor expensive as fuck. Which is why they're only used for big events.
The key is making the LEDs smaller, or micro if you will, which is exactly what's being done now, and will be the next display tech.

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no that's a CRT with multiple issues. Failing components and/or seriously out of whack settings.

>LinusTechTips
youtube.com/watch?v=nh4xE2DGa2g

CRTs had a really hard time making a perfectly square image

>Same stuff but smaller
I'm not seeing how this is supposed to get CRT styled response times/colours/blacks

No, they did it just fine. When the small, regulatory, conditioning and controlling components start failing however as all these things do over time, issues with the display's geometry occurs. This is fortunately very much fixable.

amazon.com/Dell-Monitor-S2417DG-24-Inch-Response/dp/B01IOO4SGK/
amazon.com/AOC-AG241QX-2560x1440-Adjustable-DisplayPort/dp/B01NCTHS6E/
amazon.com/Acer-XF240YU-bmiidprzx-FREESYNC-Technology/dp/B07G3RLJVW/
amazon.com/AOC-AG241QX-2560x1440-Adjustable-DisplayPort/dp/B01NCTHS6E/

LEDs already do all those things, so microLEDs will do all those things too, just smaller.
Only advantage CRTs have is non-fixed pixels, so retro games will still look better on CRTs.

No, OLED literally cannot be used for monitors. My Samsung Galaxy S9 burns in DAILY. The always on clock burns in literally daily. Use OLED for a monior which will always have static images on it and you're fucked.

>OLED happens over a few hours
Bullshit. Rtings' tests show it takes at least a couple hundred hours of displaying high-risk static content for the faintest signs of burn-in to start to show on solid color test screens. Pic related is at ~560 hours of CNN.

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You were either too stupid or young to remember CRTs as they really were

We didn't get pixel perfect displays until LCD. CRTs were a wiggly crapshoot especially along the periphery, and flat screens usually made the problem worse

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There's confusion over burn in and image retention. Image retention is generally considered temporary, and clears up within minutes. Burn in is permanent, might go away with pixel refresher

LED displays are self-emissive just like CRT phosphors. Each LED is electrically off when displaying logical black, and since there's no thick glass protecting you from x-rays you don't have light diffusion happening so black levels are better than CRTs even in a dark room. As for response time it's as good as CRT, especially when you consider that remote controls use infrared lights that blink in extremely precise patterns.
tl;dr the only thing LED doesn't have on CRT is the ability to look good at any resolution

Thanks but Im looking for the LG panel you mentioned and can't find it.

>that massive overscan
par for the course on consumer-grade tvs

>consumer grade tvs
There's only consumer grade televisions.

i mixed up dell with LG

A 4k display needs 25 MILLION individual LEDs - nothing involving LED light strips has any bearing on the developing the technology to manufacture LED displays with that kind of pixel density. That's what MicroLED is, and that's still years away from commercialization for consumer displays.

That's because we didn't have pixels until LCD. The concept of a pixel doesn't apply to the analog domain, CRT monitors merely attempt to reconstruct what the computer sees as a discrete point in a bitmap.

Probably. Image retention and burn-in are completely different things, with different causes. The pixel refresher only works on IR.

You must be confused and think your experience with trinitrons, notorious for poor geometry over time, and flat trinitrons, extremely notorious for horrendous geometry as the digital geometry circuitry was never particularly good for consumer sets with literally every other CRT out there. Even cheap shadowmask truflat's from RCA have better geometry.

>The concept of a pixel doesn't apply to the analog domain
It does when you're displaying digital media, which is kind of what Yea Forums is about. Though even when you're displaying analog media, the geometry was still fucked, it was just less noticeable

>1080p is dated
>1440p fast becoming dated too and has been skipped by TVs and consoles
>2160p is extremely expensive unless you accept 60hz
>tfw there's no good option

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The effects of burn-in can be "corrected" by displaying an inverted version of whatever caused the burn-in, effectively degrading the rest of the screen to reestablish consistency. Some OLED TVs track the time each subpixel is used and have an internal burn-in reduction program that does exactly that.

No, it doesn't really. The whole idea is you can manipulate pixels in such a way that the result on a CRT would be vastly different than a raw output.

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>1440p is fast becoming dated too
Name another resolution that can do 144hz simultaneously.

i always use hand-me-downs but sometimes you can treat yourself to something nice.

OLED is shit burn in garbage, just wait for MLED.

>being a graphics whore
Just play at 1080p. It's fine.

I have no idea what kinds of settings are on a trinitron TV (only CRT TVs I ever used were shadow mask) but on trinitron computer monitors there's extensive geometry settings and unless the hardware's broken you can get it to a nearly-perfect square.

What is this MLED?

>i need 144 fps for my esports!
Just take the 4k pill.

OLED without burn-in

>1080p is dated
>1440p is a struggle to maintain as games don't look any better but continue to make higher hardware demands

trinitrons are just highly sensitive to faults. Shadowmasks are more robust overall, requiring less precision to get desired results.

Not to be too pedantic, but it's not an inverted image; it tracks usage as you say, but then it runs the burned-in pixels harder to compensate for the reduced brightness. And yes, this likely wears out these areas even faster in the long run. The compensation just masks the burn-in for a while.

microLED. He should've used µLED.
Higher framerates look better for every genre of game.

>1440p fast becoming dated
Unless there's a MASSIVE performance jump on the next gen GPU's and price drop on 4k 144hz 1440p will be the gold standard for 144hz gaming for the next 5-7 years

Well I'm interested. OLED sucks on my phone, I would totally accept OLED that doesn't burn in.

>I would totally accept OLED that doesn't burn in.
It's the only fucking problem

A decade away from being affordable, and maybe longer before its free of burn-in.

there's diminishing returns when it comes to higher framerates. More than 60 is fine but it's nothing like going from 30 to 60. 120 and 144hz are neat and everything but you're not going to be automatically better just pumping more frames at yourself. Few games even utilize it and all the best games are built for 60hz and nothing really beyond that.
-t. has been using a 185hz crt for 16 years

But this would imply that the TV isn't applying full power to all pixels out of the box. Also what I said about inverted images applies more to CRTs.

>It's the only fucking problem
I wouldn't go that far. I don't know OLED's capabilities fully. If OLED can do minimum 1440p and 144hz then I'll like it. But so far my experience with OLED is just burn in trash.

MicroLED. Same inorganic LEDs that have been used in all kinds of everyday lights for decades, except millions of them and they're super tiny - one for each subpixel. Currently they can't manufacture them cost-efficiently enough for consumer displays.

>it's nothing like going from 30 to 60
LIES. Even moving the mouse cursor around on a 120Hz monitor is noticeably smoother than one that maxes out at 60. In both cases you're doubling frame rate.

This guy is absolutely correct. When I play Rising Storm 2 at 120 hz I'm floor every time.

>But this would imply that the TV isn't applying full power to all pixels out of the box
If we're talking about LG OLED TVs, that's exactly the case. They come with some extra brightness headroom for the compensation to work with.

I've never heard of any type of CRT burn-in compensation being used. I don't think this would have been practical to implement on CRTs due to the cost and processing power required at the time.

>More than 60 is fine but it's nothing like going from 30 to 60.
Disagree.
>but you're not going to be automatically better just pumping more frames at yourself.
Yes it is. More frames = better.

>4000usd
you can buy 3 ultrawides AND a good pc for that price with enough left over for tendies and an escort

diminishing returns doesn't hit until about 150 or so, and you can force plenty of games that don't rely on framerate for game calculations just fine, played Sekiro at 144 and it was great. Even a desktop environment benefits greatly from higher framerates, smoother is better in every case for everything

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>monitor thread on Yea Forums
>always gets flooded by the same CRT shitters as always
epic meme

1080p, derp

Everyone I've heard who has taken the leap has said they could never go back, just like going from 720p and others before. You could get philosophical and ask why it's worth it if you don't think the lower resolution looks bad now, but that'd be a bit gay

I'm honestly considering it especially since my CPU can't hit high frame rates anyway. Also..

>tfw you can't really notice any improvement of going above 30-40fps in games

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I've heard of people drawing an image in Paint that illuminates sections of the screen not burned in and leaving it on for several days.

are there any good 34inch 1440 144fps monitors that don't look like total gaymer crap? I fucking hate how all the gayming stuff has tramp stamps as logos

Retards justifies their own stupid decisions is not a new thing on Yea Forums though

lol... well, that might kind of work. But labor intensive and not very accurate.

You're taking that marketing pretty hard. There's benefits to it, but going from 60hz to 144hz isn't a world of difference. It's an improvement, but there's many other factors that are better addressed instead of higher refresh rates. Frame times for example are probably the most crucial.

144Hz is a gayming frequency. If you want good looking monitors look for 120Hz or 160Hz.

>1080p, derp
>He thinks 1440p is obsolete but 1080p isn't
What.

frame time is on that chart that you responded to, it's directly tied to frame rate, and yes, it is a world of difference,

What marketing? I got my CRT from a fucking thrift store because I wanted something that didn't look like shit on 640x480 and 800x600 in addition to 2048x1536 and everything in between. 160Hz was just a bonus.

poorfag cope detected. rgb and vga monitors are god tier displays.

Nigga did you forget the 4 to 5 years when people were giving CRTs away for free? You could swing by a dumpster and find them like fruit growing on trees.

inconsistent frametimes are a problem across a broad spectrum of PC builds, monitor configurations, driver configurations, etc.

already have a 27 inch 120hz one was planning an upgrade would prefer something with the specs I mentioned, what other monitors have the 160hz+ refresh aside from the asus ones? I don't recall them coming 34inches or bigger

> ow, several different TV's and monitors for a variety of consoles and uses
Just got a 28" 4k tn monitor yesterday for $75 too.
Wish I had some smaller CRTs to use

>name a resolution that isn't 1440p that can do 144hz
>name one
>What?!

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>He thinks 1440p is outdated but 1080p isn't

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Soul

Looks like my girlfriend's husband

I think that dude has a food channel on youtube.

The CRT meme is textbook "old good, new bad"

Goddamn which monitor do I buy? I want 27' 1440p IPS under 500$.

No, not at all. I still have my CRT. The colors are a thousand times better than my 700 dollar IPS monitor. I love this monitor, but it just doesn't compare in that respect.

Occasionally the Acer Predator IPS goes on sale for that much. Look out for that. Or even the refurbished. It's my main monitor, love it.

Some times old things are just better.

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Recommend me a good dual VESA wall or desk 100mmx100mm mount

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Quick rundown on SED pls.

CRTfags need to be round up and shot. Fuck off back to /vr/.

competitor to LCD that got killed before it landed in consumer hands due to patent fuckery. Had all the benefits of CRT and the benefits of LCD.

Cheap IPS panels look bad with the lights out, I know. How does that lead you to conclude that CRT's the answer?

Here, let me drop the ultimate redpill:
Old monitors good for old games.
New monitors good for new games.

It's just an inherent flaw of LCD technology. The answer to the LCD question is easy, the final solution of CRT.

Wrong. Imagine a LCD monitor but with millions of small CRTs as the pixels. You'd get deep blacks and instant response time but you're still limited to only one resolution looking good. OLED and soon MLED does all that but with less power consumption.

CRT black levels are shit in anything but a dark room.

>talking shit about Cowon
Yikes

>OLED and soon MLED does all that but with less power consumption
OLED has low latency?

Yes. LCDs "lag" is due to the polarizing mechanism that either allows or blocks light from passing through a filter. Think opening or closing window blinds. OLED, MLED, CRT, and any other self-emissive displays do not have this problem.

That's pretty much every big YouTuber.

I've looked into this, building a 320x240 screen would be $3000+ even buying from sketchy chinese suppliers. Then you'd be dealing with craptacular high-latency input scalers designed for digital signage. You'd need FPGA skills to do this properly.

too bad we're gonna be cucked out of them until they figure out how to make 80 in tvs out of them.

You really think this shit won't find its way into phones and laptops first where power efficiency actually matters?

hopefully it does, but most of the displays at tech shows have been giant ass screens with seams.

What's more noticeable.

144hz or 1440p

144Hz. If you sit at a proper distance from the screen you won't be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 1440p.