Do your reps, user

dude I have like 960 cards due in 110 min

>only 170
Consider yourself lucky, had the 200-230 balancing act going on for a few months now.

>tfw Iphone
I regret this pile of shit

Just 926 more kanjis to finish RTK, the nightmare is almost over

But I'm already N1, haven't touched Anki in years, and just read whatever I want.

good luck remembering them

The only good deck is the one you make yourself

just support the app dude, then you'll have incentive to use it cause you paid $25.

when did you take your test?

Anki doesn't work for me so I stopped using it.

I will, I just ate lunch, have to wait a bit.
>tfw hungry skeleton

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>1538 cards left

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You are like a little child. Watch this.

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last winter

Gave up on anki months ago because it became such a chore. Now I read much more to compensate.
I learn better this way.

Can never be fucked to. Only ever learn new words talking to people in bars.

風俗は最高

>2209 cards due
what should I do at this point bros

I use memrise. What does that make me?

i use memrise on my phone.

>tfw finished Core6k yesterday
I can read a manga chapter in like 15 minutes now... Getting close! 出来る!

Another person suffering at the hands of the retarded developers.
>The new UI

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How much time did you need to finish the deck?

I didn't do the same pace all the time...
At the beginning I had a ton of trouble remembering so I did 10/day until I made 2k. I intended to stop there and start mining but I started mining and continued anyway, however I increased to 20 until 3k.
At that point I decided to finish it and cranked it up to 50/day while stopping mining new cards from reading.
So doing the calculus it took me 310 days. Which hearing out loud is a bit depressing but oh well...

You did great, congrats

is it 2 late to start anons

>500 kanji in and I can't even do more than 5 a day or I have too much trouble remembering at a faster pace

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The sooner you start, the sooner you finish.

Have you done RTK?

Thank you!

The more you learn, the easier it gets, just take it easy. 頑張って信じる!

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God do I wish Japanese wasn't reliant on Chinese.

I don't know what that is.

What year are u?

I picked Chinese instead of Japanese. Unfortunately, besides characters getting reused, the sounds and meanings are usually completely different.

The Chinese in Japanese is unfortunately just Japanese

Gettit boi

nihongoshark.com/learn-kanji/

It'll be a ton easier to learn vocab if you already know the meanings of the common kanji

How do you guys stay motivated to learn? wanting to read untranslated stuff only gets me so far, I'm a loser who quits too easily.

>learned all the hiragana and just started katakana, also doing a bit of grammar and vocabulary
>already dread having to learn fucking kanji

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If he's using the approved Core6k deck, that's mostly pointless.

That deck groups words based on their kanji and theme, so you naturally end up associating kanjis with their contextual meanings. At least, to the point you can guess most new words after a certain point.

Everyone has to start somewhere, keep it up user

>japanese
>not korean
giga yikes from me.

based thread

I haven't touched anki in years, I'd probably have to go through 800+ reps if I were to pick it up again now.

Any tips to remember the fucking readings? I can remember without any issue the meaning of word, but I mess up the readings

Learning kanji is what I said I've been doing, user. But I've also been learning the readings which that site says not to bother with.

What's the best deck for kanji?
Which one is everyone using?

Fuck gooks.

pls no bully

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Kanji are more difficult to work with than phonetic writing, but they aren't the ugly monster people make them out to be. At the end of the day they are just vocabulary, and vocabulary is something you slowly accumulate over years of practice no matter what shit language you choose to study.

In my japanese decks I used to have two types of cards, one was your typical word + reading in the front and meaning on the back and the other was word + meaning in the front and a box where I'd type the reading which was in the back side. It worked pretty well most of the time, except for some words that have more than one possible reading.

>Suspended+Buried: 1

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I started playing some era games and you know how it is mostly translated, and then comes the segment with a lot of great stuff and you can't understand it with that shitty autotranslator. It is kind of fun to see how understanding thing becomes easier with time also, the first time I managed to correctly read out and understand a complex sentence, I got a bit of a chubby.

anyone else use paid version of anki?

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Just discovered this and my motivation shot through the roof:
sokuyomi.jp/free_bl.html

I honestly don't know what I was expecting to see

you absolutely have to find the right method. I cant stand textbook learning, id quit after maybe a week or two if I had to learn it that way.

Also id hate myself to the core if I quit now, ive been learning for half a year now so all Id think about is all that time wasted.

I'm at a level where I just need to consume more media by reading and listening but sometimes I just get too lazy.

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The problem with kanji is that they're a second layer of vocabulary where even if you know the reading you have no way to know what the kanji is because it's largely arbitrary, and similarly if you know the kanji you have no way to deduce what the reading is. In both cases you only have understanding of one side and need to look up the other side because there's no inherent connection like there is with kana or any language using an alphabet.

fuck how'd you know??

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What is the fucking point of stacking so many fucking decks? Learning in a vacuum like that doesn't do you any good. What you should have done is finished the core 6k and that's a strong enough foundation for you to start playing some of the easier to read VNs/games. That way you learn a bit of everything like more vocabulary, grammar, and speech patterns

that's not true
every kanji has a kunyomi and onyomi reading and outside of very few words they all strictly follow those rules

I don't do them all, I just didn't want to delete them
only doing kodansha right now and tobira whenever I start a new chapter

remember guys, if you know the onyomi of a kanji, it most likely is しょう

Dude, what? I just said that the problem is that you can't know what the kunyomi and onyomi are from the kanji and vice versa. What the hell did you think I was saying?

*don't know
tired and retarded

>not かい

So I kind of gave up 4 months ago
Should I just restart or do a little bit of review everyday?

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>not しん

I fucking knew it

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you should probably use the cram function of anki

>people ITT actually think they will learn japanese

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I couldn't get into Anki, felt like self torture.
I ended up enjoying WaniKani more, but I couldn't keep myself motivated. I miss studying Japanese though so i'll pick it back up soon.

don't do n5 and n4 vocabulary, you'll learn them by going through a textbook anyway

hello i'm 生

just seppuku nigga and save your family the disgust and shame

I'm getting back on it. I quit my main game I played 6-8 hours daily.

>anki drones thinking they are learning Japanese
go hit grammar faggots

sorry, i'm not nearly pedophile enough for that

>bench almost as high as squat and equal to row
How

I-I'll do grammar when I know all the words...

working on grammar first but I don't know where this shit begins in tae kims

I already read though genki
my last hard drive died so I had to completely start over from scratch
things went well for 6 months but I kinda just lost the will to keep studying

>start learning japanese to play vidya
>passed N1 years ago
>played like maybe 4 unlocalized games just to say I could
>resume browsing Yea Forums all day

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Is it worth learning japanese now so I can learn chinese later on?

俺様にはrepをやることが必要ありませぬ

セイ
ショウ
いきる
いかす
いける
なま
うまれる
き
うお
うむ
はえる
はやす

i do my reps first thing in the morning along with breakfast

生匂いまんこ

Try 下 or 明

No? Just learn Chinese.

>やることが必要
drop the ことが, shit's gaijin as fuck

Doesn't knowing japanese help learning chinese? I keep hearing mixed shit about that

he's baiting, what kind of person says "hey I want to learn spanish should I learn portugese first?"

You know what helps learning Chinese the most? Learning Chinese.

正しいなら、僕にとってはどうでもいいけどさ

no. they're as different as night and day, learning Kanji in one language can help learn it in another but that's just the ALPHABET and you may start mixing them up if you take that approach. The languages aren't even structured the same, my understanding is that chinese is actually closer to english than japanese in terms of subject, verb, object structure

In everything that's not phonetics, Chinese is overall much more easy than Japanese.
>no multiple readings
>strict, structured syntax
>no inflections or conjugations

>Studying Chinese

What's the problem with sheng, sha, and ming?

youtu.be/oZEA54VJEdE

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なんだその文。カタコトすぎて笑えない
repする必要が十二分あるぞアホタレ

>just took a short break at 50%
>see this thread
Alright alright I'm on it, jeez.

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yeah it does
but why the fuck would you spend time learning japanese first instead of just learning chinese
someone who already knows japanese will have an easier time learning chinese than someone who doesnt
but wasting years to learn japanese first just to learn chinese in the end makes absolutely no sense

qui francais ici

In Japanese, a kanji can have many pronunciations depending on which words they forced onto it, and you just have to _know_ which one to use in which word.

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Just learn Chinese, no need to shoot yourself in the foot beforehand.

>In English, a letter can have many different pronunciations depending on the sentence it's forced into, and you just have to _know_ which one to use in which word
We get it, every language is bullshit, fuck off. Millions of barely literate retards in Japan deal with kanji just fine, you'll eventually get the hang of it too.

How do you not forget the strokes if you don't practice them almost daily. Reading-only plebs, thank you, but no to your advice.

>すぐにイスラム教国になる国家の言語を学ぶ
Was that correct?

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When will japs abandon kanji?

I only do them at work

English phonetics are undefensible bullshit too, what a terrible analogy.

What? That was his point, moron.

I quit at 1000 words. I rather just read and do my lessons.

>learning the language of a soon-to-be an islamic country
?

They did in ww2. So fuck off into the past or stop bitching.

His point was that >every language is bullshit
Which is untrue, fuckups like kanji or english phonetics are not the norm.

you don't just read manga, right user? those are for little kids
yo where my Yea Forums bros at

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English spelling follows many rules; sure, it is rather messed up, but it is still fucking light-years better than Japanese writing. Check out Chinese to see how kanji were meant to be used.

I assumed the guy was learning french instead of being a frog so I shitposted at him.
Is the grammar incorrect?

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>Is the grammar incorrect?
I don't see anything wrong with it.

>people bitching about kanji
wait until you try to learn Japanese name readings

>43 different context-sensitive readings

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>japanese name readings
Please don't get me fucking started on that shit.
Kanji is pretty managable when you learn vocabulary, but names are absolute fucking cancer.

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>"please don't learn mandarin so there isn't a lot of competition for me and i can keep making money"

Like 80% of those compounds are sei.

You get furigana for those.

The strangest part of name readings is that you rarely ever see them with furigana so how the fuck are you meant to know?

>le ebin chink copypasta xDDD
See, even if it's true word by word, keep in mind that this guy makes a good living doing business with chinks, while japs will likely never fucking ever dare to imagine even the possibility of doing anything serious with gaijin like you guys.

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Not needed. Either you will get a business card or they will tell how to write their name.

In manga, maybe.

And in LNs. In VNs you get voices. I don't see the problem.

>He makes a good living
The entire point is that he's making lots of money but dealing with cheats and liars all the time isn't making him happy.

You're a fucking retard. Westerners who speak almost any asian language are in high demand, even for things other than english teaching. However, there will be less competition if you learn Japanese over Chinese, while still being the 3rd biggest economy in the world. This is all retarded as fuck anyways though since you shouldn't learn languages just for it to be a marketable skill, you should do it because you enjoy it. What are you some sort of corporate slave?

Who the fuck cares about that if you have got money? Unhappy? Buy whores, drugs, a new car, motocycle, a holiday or just attract some goldigger, donate to poor kids to ease your soul.

oh boy glad the rest of the business world isn't like that
oh wait-

Imagine thinking like this.
You're learning Chinese aren't you? You poor bastard.

Imagine being this shallow of a person.

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>other than english teaching
Such as?

So, in kiddie shit, which was my point.
At some point you're expected to know family name readings.

>VNs
>kiddie shit

Where's the counter argument? Go on and name things you can get and buy as poor.

You're learning Chinese aren't you? Answer.

True, you can't buy a gun to shoot your brains out unless you get a well paying job that makes you want to do so.

user, being able to buy things doesn't automatically make you happy. Happiness is not greater the more money you have. Just look at Notch.

where are the video games?

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I mean, English teaching is the lowest bar to entry, but if you have ANY other skills you can get into a relevant industry. English teacher is just the popular one because the requirements are so damn low (just have any sort of bachelor degree)

I'm going through this currently. Surprisingly fun read but it randomly bombards me with horribly obscure seedy red light district Edo period terms that I couldn't possibly know about.
Please tell me which of these you're familiar with: 花魁, 女衒, 廓, 忘八, 籬, 暖簾, 幇間. There's a bunch of other bullshit that I can't remember off the top of my head but I recommend this series if you like Miku.

Take 2 guys. Send one to private island in New Zealand, and the other to work in a factory. After a year, ask them which one is happier.

Of course I forget the image like a dumbass.

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>just have any sort of bachelor degree
And be native.
And they still won't hire you for other jobs. Don't believe me? Go ahead and look at any japanese job site.

How do I ankidroido?

right here >SMT
>DMC3
more in this thread then most other threads

HAHAHAHAH FAGGOT WEEBS I ALREADY KNOW THE GREATEST LANGAUGE , ENGLSIH AHAHHAHAHAHA SUCK MY DICK

Games with furigana? I know a good amount of kanji but I need the furigana as I still come across words I don't know often enough that not having furigana makes looking them up a pain. Preferably games that aren't super text heavy but still have a decent amount of text.

>user, being able to buy things doesn't automatically make you happy.
yeah look at the billions of poor people who cant afford food
they're real happy

Is Osamu Dazai actually good?

why should they hire you for other jobs if the only skill you have is speaking english
you can get hired if you're a skilled programmer, artist, etc

Yep you are totally correct user, the third largest economy in the entire world has absolutely no jobs at all. Yep you're completely right.

He is a pretentious hack.
>no one understands my deep depression
>oh dear, i have to tell father i would like a thing i don't really want, oh a tragedy of it

If it were so bad for him, he would have quit a long time ago.

>implying you are more sought-after if you learn Japanese over Chinese
啊啊啊啊哈哈哈哈哈 that's exactly what I was talking about, japs will not give two shits about a fucking gaijin who speaks Japanese. If you are a native speaker, you can go and teach English for a shitty salary even if you have no clue about language because your only function is to advertise a language school as a white native speaker, which makes japanese parents go crazy and throw money at them. Other than this, not only do I not see what you could do, but also why you would want to work for a Japanese company to begin with.

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Question isn't if it has, but for whom.

absolutely
it's a shame his books been meme'd so hard
the way he writes is a lot more elegant then most other authors of the time period
fucking kys mate

Why don't you just give up instead, you dumb waifufaggot. Waifus isn't enough reason to learn a language and you'll neck yourself the moment you start reading through actual material in Japanese and realize this.

How do you make sure you actually learn the word rather than just how the kanji looks? I can make up little stories for each kanji all day long but it doesn't help in any other context.

>fucking kys mate
Is that what you wanted to say, or what you wanted me to hear?
Forget to mention that he spoiled kid from rich a family, didn't ever have to work, and was gifted with a pretty face. Oh, what a tragic Shakespearean character.

Haven't done them for half a year. Fuck you I will NOT learn Japanese

You'll doomed to forget them.

fuck those other assholes
good luck user

RTK/anki are huge memes. In reality you can't learn word or kanji without seeing them in context. That's the only way to actually learn language. Not that RTK and anki don't have their uses.

So what am I supposed to do? Just read when there's no way I'd be able to understand anything?

Doing an MA in TEFL as a non-native speaker was a mistake ;_;

why has this place become so filled to the fucking brim with defeatist contrarian assholes lately
I've taken college courses in Japanese. To learn any language you need to spend a large amount of time memorizing vocabulary
anki absolutely helps with this

I need some help bros; what should i do in order to remember the words and how should i start?.
I've tried learning 5 words per day but then a week passed and i had already forgotten those words. I really want to learn nihongo but god damn it.

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What language software/training is actually worth paying for when learning Chinese? I'm plateauing as an intermediate learning

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Uhm, you know you need to revise them too, right?

read nigga read
also use anki

real native speakers

My coworker is one and I speak with him, but I can't sustain natural conversation because my listening skills and vocabulary recall are both not fast enough to keep pace.

I don't have access to other native speakers.

Don't worry guys, i have an advice for you. Just get a gf from a country of which language you want to learn.

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I'm trying to learn Japanese on my own, but I'm not progressing too well because I can't use it for anything. I know too little to be able to read, and I have no opportunities to talk or write, either. I'm also using Anki for revision, but it feels like a fucking chore.

No shit retard, that's where watching anime and reading manga comes in. You learn a word in the morning and see it used in animu in the evening

How often should i do it? i triend revising them for a week and the next week i've only remembered a couple ones.

How will i read if i don't know any word in the first place?
>also use anki
That's what i tried.

I'm doing Core2k for 3 days now but I'm getting pretty bored because learning days and hours is fucking shit in every language

You use RTK/anki to be exposed to words/kanji, then you see them used in context and you'll actually learn them.

You do them daily for like half an hour. This shit isn't easy. It's half an hour every day for a couple of years at the very least

Every day, obviously. Also, I don't know what kind of words you are trying to learn. If you're a beginner, you start with grammar and basic expressions, it is actually best to learn short phrases so that you know how to use the word. Learning words you don't know how to use makes no sense.

Actually, going the other way around might be better. You hear a new word, you add it to anki, you revise it. And you already have an example of how it's used. That's less structured, but works better

That's why you do the RTK deck for a while, then start the Core2k/6k deck so you can use your familiarity with the characters from RTK to more easily remember the vocabulary from Core, then you read stuff.

That requires you to understand the context though, which you won't if you're a beginner. That's why it typically recommended to make a mining deck after you get a decent way through the core deck.

> I cant stand textbook learning
So what did you do/use to keep learning?

How do i know how many kanji i've learned?

>ai: love
>niku: meat
>ainiku: unfortunately
What the fuck is this bullshit language

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Just learned 女衒.
Nice!

It's neither the ai from love or the niku from meat you brainlet.

its called Wanikani, its a flashy anki basically that you pay for. You learn a new word/sentence, then review it after a few hours. Eventually when you know an item well enough, it becomes "burned" which basically means fluent.

The progression is really nice, wkstats shows you a whole bunch of cool stats.

anyways this is coming from someone who has a really tough time paying attention but you gotta find what works for you. I suggest at least using anki and getting to a point where you know a handful of vocab/kanji and do some reading.

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So you already knew all the other words in that post? Damn, guess I just need to read more.

you can't get autistic about chinese with your co-worker. that's why you need to pay
natives.preply.com/en/skype/chinese-native-speakers
found it off Google. it's actually really good that your problem is "not being fast enough" since that's just a mileage problem

Oh, didn't even know it was one of the words you mentioned on I'm reading a BL manga and the word came up, although with furigana.

I stopped learning japanese when i realized all i wanted to do was literally just beat off and play video games with the knowledge.

Really embarrassing phase in my life but ive lost my virginity since then and have been dating women pretty regularly

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get the fuck off this website

>encounter a word whose translation is outside of my vocabulary
The only dumber/funnier thing is when I review a word, know exactly what concept it represents, but forgot the english word for it like an idiot.

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You never started learning

This has happened to me many times. Interestingly enough my English vocabulary is expanding from some of the Japanese word definitions. But at the same time I find myself defaulting to Japanese words while the English counterparts completely escape me, as you said. I feel like I'm eroding mentally from all these blanks.

I hate niggers!

I know i tried that and i still missed some words.

Well, I should try learning sentences instead, thanks, user.

I see, i'll give it a try if i don't get any progress with anki, still, thanks man.

good, then you can forget about the english translation cause that shit only bogs you down.

Ideally you'd learn the language entirely without any connections to your native language in the first place.

>imagine learning a language just because vidya and porn

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Thats what the majority of the thread is learning japanese for.

No it isn't?, real niggas do it because they want to read shit and maybe get to know more about japanese culture.

I try to communicate this all the time. I've personally been trying to learn Japanese through listening and language practice NOT through reading. It seems like a lot of people try to learn the alphabet, then the english meaning and readings, then they work backwards to piece the language together with all of these parts. I've only been at this for a few months so I'm not entirely sure if my practice might end up as a failure but what I'm trying to do is learn a language in the order you learn your first language. Language first, reading second. A year from now I plam to report my strides and shortcomings.

I once read 聴診器 and thought in my head:
>hey, it's that thing that doctors use to check for faint sounds in your body like heartbeats and slimy breathing for diagnoses
And I completely forgot the word "stethoscope" like a fucking moron.

I try to learn from sentence contexts, but since I'm an anki slave with an auto-importer, english translations are my primary hook for word meanings, though not the only one.
Though reading should mend this defect somewhat.

I'm learning it to make my animation studies and viability in the field much more broad. French and Korean are probably next afterwards.

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That means you know the real Japanese word for stethoscope. You're supposed to manifest the meaning first and only translate to English later if it's required. It should not he required to know the English word to understand the Japanese

I'm gonna. I have reached the point where my brain has recognized that drilling kanji is work and requires effort so I have started to dread my daily practice.

>I stopped learning because I didn't know how to apply it
>Now I focus on the amount of women I've been dating instead of bettering myself

That's a really sorry fucking excuse, user; especially if you only care about fucking women instead of attaining knowledge. I spend 2 hours at the gym a day, study nip, manage my 3.5 GPA in school as a full-time student, work, help in charity events, and spend 4 hours a day dedicated to drawing and STILL have time to date my girl and keep her happy.

Stop trying to justify your idiocy.