Epic CEO says they will stop exclusivity deals if Valve increases revenue cut to 88%

i guess no matter how much fortnite money you have
at one point you will go, hmmmm flushing money down the toilet doesn't seem to be working

>laughs in american $

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epic already lied saying that they wont pursue exclusivity deals any further less than a month ago. fuck these soulless lying insects, they wouldnt stop shit even if steam did increase their rev share

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If you don't like steam's cut release your game yourself, or on any other store. Nobody stops you. You'll soon understand why everyone releases on Steam.

Hi Dev, now go fuck yourself.

I know this is just shitty bait but there are people out there who actually think getting 70% of all profits stops devs from making money.

Minecraft didn't need no steam and is a roaring success. You pay for Steam services and infrastructure, use inferior Epic or build one yourself.

I bet they won't even if Valve does it. They'll make some excuse justifying why.

Tim Sweeney is a legitimate retard.

Can't believe all the faggot steam sychophants

>valve don't need the money
nobody ''needs'' money outside of minimum living expenses

>this isn’t sustainable in the long run
>but we want Valve to do it or else
lol

>They have an inferior product yet think they are entitled to a market share just because they have money.

Unfortunately that's how the world works. The more money you have the ore power you have to get away with dumb shit.

What gave you that idea? Was it because they immediately walked back on their statement a month later

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>cuck still mad about his shitty game being refunded

At least despite the lower revenue share, you'll have access to features like Valve anti-cheat or Steam Workshop. Meanwhile, Epic has to make a fucking roadmap (like those looter shooters) just to add basic features like wishlists or achievements

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The guy is a fucking snake, he knows well Valve won't call his bluff, but it's a handy and convenient way to paint them as the big evil oppressor of greedy publishers.

uhh didn't he say that the cut and exclusives were the means to start up the store? Why is he backpedaling already?

I dont give a single shit about devs, i care about how cheap my games are

Don't forget the shopping cart.

He just knows they won't do anything.

Did Tim really mean this?

He sounds like he's a spokesperson for someone who wants Steam to sink.

A puppet for a shadow organization pulling the strings.

He’s not. He knows they won’t bite but he will reference this later saying that he was being nice and trying to make amends but Valve’s silence to this is a sign that they’re greedy and evil and you should use Epic Games Store.

The 12% figure is a complete loss. Epic are gambling that they'll be able to take the market lead before they go bankrupt. They know that 13% is more or less the bare minimum Valve needs to not be in the red. Basically, Valve would never go below 13%, ever. Him saying it is basically trying to be like "See I'm giving them a fix but they're not taking it, they're just greedy" to try and have Epic seen as the heroes.

fuck off chink

Back in 2005 Valve decided to focus in on PC gaming and built Steam from the ground up. Meanwhile, Epic abandoned PC (the platform that made them) and sold out to Microsoft making console exclusives. Now they come crawling back and want a piece of the pie that Valve baked. Well it's too late faggots, should have supported PC in 2005 instead of selling out and talking shit. Keep buying exclusives until the money runs out, Steam is still going to win simply because it's better.

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He's trying to bait Valve so hard it's pathetic.
The best thing is that they just don't give shit about him and he's even because of that

>haha geep fugging me in de ads billon dollar gorporashan!! geep taging all da money and nod magging gaems anymoer :DD

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>P-please buy my indie pixelshit

Just so you know. Those Epic moneyhats go straight to the publishers if it isnt really indie. And their curation in reality means they only pick indies from already proven developers. Not to mention Sweeney's got Tencent Chinese money and V Bucks flowing into his pockets.

But Steam and Epic are both filthy rich mega corps. Steam is just the better service right now, the epic store offers me nothing except the games they hold hostage via exclusivity deals.
There's no good reason for me as a customer to ditch steam for epic.

Is Tim Sweeny literally a terrorist??

>Epic is a billion dollar corporation
>That are worse for the consumer
>Defend them
???????????????

You seething nigger mutt?

Shitposting on cruise control. Hey, epic is a fucking billion dollar corp, worse they have fucking bugmen chinks backing them so they’re LITERALLY the enemy of freedums.

How can one asshole be so arrogant?

Have you seen pictures of the man? He looks like a down syndrome baby that survived his mother's abortion. The lack of humanity due to those defects is what causes the arrogance.

go back 2 pol

Does this retard not realize he looks like a slimy fuck to the average person who works 40 hours a week?

how is it there is a thread about Epic without the Tienanmen square copypasta for good measure?

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Sounds like blackmail to me which he would resort to if he wasn't pretty desperate. So he's either running out of money for this little project or it doesn't work well enough.

>YOU OWE ME
why are anti-valve tards always like this?

Valve-- "We don't negotiate with terrorists"

I have to admit Ubi's approach is really smart: take the epic bribe money and sell the game on Uplay as well, they get more money since everybody will use Uplay to avoid the EGS. And even Uplay is way better than EGS in terms of features.

Valve:
Gabe Newell 纽厄尔加布 Valve Software 阀门软件 Steam 蒸汽 Half-Life
半衰期 Gordon Freeman 弗里曼戈登 1998 Black Mesa Incident 1998年黑色台面事件 Seven Hour War 七小时的战争 Resistance 抵抗性 Red Letter Day 大喜的日子 City 17 uprising 城市17起义 Lambda 拉姆达 Index 指数

?

Did we overload this bug man's programming?

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thanks, i know what to post when i spot some dirty combine scum on Yea Forums

>If competitor decided to take unrealistically small cut it would make no sense to run our own store because it'd be cheaper to publish games on steam.
Why is this news?

are the chinese letters still the original tianamen trigger text?

He’s lying, he’s trying to cripple Steam hard because he’s hoping that his Fortnite bux and Chinese backing will let him play the long game while operating EGS at a loss.

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he's not lying at all. if Valve granted him access to publish games to the Steam install base with only a 12% cut he would totally take that deal and stop throwing money into a volcano with his exclusives campaign. the thing is, with the usual cut being around 30% a general drop to 12% would mean cutting Valve's revenue in half. so that's a silly hypothetical, not a workable basis for negotiations.

(l)mao

We do not negotiate with terrorists.

Love how Valve gives Sweeney exactly the amount of attention he deserves: zero.

>Valve doesn't respond
>We have to deal with shitposting every fucking minute

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Steam will just let them burn all their money they earned from fagnite.

Oh my god no... Poor Valve is being extorted into offering a better deal to the developers... Won't somebody think of the poor monopoly? Let's pour out a 40 for based Gaben who may not be able to afford another house after this goes down.

>trying to shift focus on someone else in hopes that people will forget they're the bad guy

Not that easy, Tim.

>monopoly
theres that word again you dont understand

How was that 13% operation expense determined or revealed?

Alright, let me explain a very, very, extremely simple market concept for you.

Valve has a monopoly on the digital storefront for games, and no... the presence of other online storefronts does not mean they do not have a monopoly. They have a monopoly because they make up an overwhelming share of the overall marketshare of said market.

This monopoly Steam has on the market allows them to charge their obscene 30 percent share, because the cost to a developer NOT offering their game on the largest digital storefront is greater.

So how does Epic compete? They offer a better share which encourages developers to only offer their game on a storefront that doesn't rip them off. So then, hypothetically, what happens if Epic overtakes Steam? Your idea is that Valve just gives up immediately, Epic gains the monopoly Valve once had, and then Epic starts charging the same share as Valve once did.

This is a failure to understand even the most fundamental concept of competitive markets, and why Valve has been able to charge so much to begin with. It's because THEY HAD NO MEANINGFUL COMPETITION IN THE FIRST PLACE. So what then, does Valve do in order to take away the incentive developers have for selling exclusively on the Epic platform? THEY OFFER THE SAME, IF NOT BETTER SHARE TO THE DEVELOPERS! IT'S CALLED COMPETITION! IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL COMPONENT OF MARKETS! IT'S WHY MONOPOLIES ARE BAD TO BEGIN WITH!

With companies competing with one another THEY MUST STRIVE TO DO BETTER INSTEAD OF SIT ON THEIR THRONE THAT DEVELOPERS MUST KNEEL BEFORE!

Boy are you fags wrong

destructoid.com/valve-calls-metro-exodus-move-to-epic-games-store-unfair-to-customers-540742.phtml

>Valve calls Metro Exodus move to Epic Games Store 'unfair' to customers

OH NO NO NO NO

>Bringing irrelevancy to a discussion about cut
What a fag would do this?

>STEAM BAD WE ARE BETTER FOR DEVS
>Just lower your cut, valve we will stop throwing money to shitty exclusive deals
>valve please say something, I've been shit talking you for months now
>v-valve?

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Epic: We're offering a 12% cut
Also Epic: 12% cut is unsustainable
Also also Epic: Non-USA customers will have to pay more to enable our 12% cut

This destroys the VALVE DRONE

>monopoly
what monopoly? 99% of the games are available on other sites, or even in physical format.

See:

>88%
Is Tim /ourguy/?

Epic doesn’t even sell their actual money makers through Steam. This is in the best interest of the industry.

>Also Epic: 12% cut is unsustainable

They have never said this, Valve drone, yet you Yea Forumsedditors keep spreading it around as a fact.

What's the deal? Everyone takes 30% cut. Wonder how much Microsoft or Sony take? Why is Steam so heavy on his mind.

That's true though. It was really shitty for deep silver to move to different platform like a week before release after advertising a steam release for years.

That's their fault for living in garbage countries.

You guys are making it sound like this was an unprompted tweet trying to get attention. Someone literally asked him if he would stop exclusives if Steam changed it's rev share and he responded.

>Our guy
Our guy would tell everyone to fuck off and charge 50% for games accepted onto their store.

You guys are so worked up about EGS. Console wars are cringe but this is worse

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Is English not your first language?

Consoles are loss leaders. And if someone came along and offered devs more with a comparable product I would support it.

>chink botnet making demands
Fuck outta here

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I'm chinese man

>literally who
>claims he knows more/better than an entire team of market researchers and analysis
>no sources
yeah that seems legit

Valve drones have never had self awareness, see pic.

>B-b-but we don't do that anymore!!!1

Yes you fucking do, just last sale you were praising "LORD GABEN HE STEALIN MAH MONEY XD"

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DEATH TO AMERICA

It's pretty amusing just how much noise Epic tries to make while having NO GAMES
David Cage catalog, laughed my fucking ass off the day they announced it.

That's them saying that the publisher decision to swap platforms right before release because some money changed hands was really shitty for customers, which is completely true. They didn't even mention the cut.

Oooh, what a comeback!! Rounds of applause for our brave guy for noticing bad grammar instead What a guy you are! Wooo, take this you deserve this.

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No he wont.
He just want to virtue signal.

Thanks.

I dont' care if it's actually true. I care that it's a knowable basis of Epic Store's motive.

ISOLATED

Console versions probably actually sell copies unlike Steam

kotaku.com/super-meat-boy-is-the-latest-port-to-sell-better-than-e-1822056498

>The Switch though has seen a number of ports sell better than anticipated. Despite already being out for over three years, the Switch version of Shovel Knight sold better than any of the other versions at launch according to its developer, Yacht Club Games. Wonder Boy: The Dragon’s Trap, Forma.8, and other games have seen similar success. SMG Studios noted in September that Death Squared sold more on the Switch in the first three days than all other platforms it released on combined, while the same thing happened to the Zelda-like exploration game Oceanhorn. And then there was SteamWorld Dig 2, Immage & Form’s action platformer that sold 10 times more on Switch than on Steam.

Funny thing is I am going to support EGS just because you fucks are so insufferable with this shit

Switch users are so starved for games that they will lap up any indie 8bit pixel shit they throw at them.

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Enjoy Borderlands 3 in 2020.

This. Also would have never heard of Phoenix Point if not for the EGS controversy, now it's on my radar thanks to Yea Forumsedditors

>supporting Randy
Yikes.

steam cut is OPTIONAL, you can sell the keys and retain 100%

Who says I'll be playing in 2020?

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Another Boogyman? How do you s o y s sleep at night with so many boogymen out there.

>fuck you and your 15 year old library of 1000 games
>it's not fair to the DEVELOPERS
>the DEVELOPERS, dahnald

What the fuck do you mean? I support the developers by buying the fucking game. Unless Epic store is going to translate my entire Steam library into their own DRM, they can go fuck themselves and eat my shit.

bleedingcool.com/2018/03/16/nintendo-switch-sales-save-blossom-tales-devs-from-shutting-down/

>#NintendoSwitch community is a blessing! #BlossomTales is now a turnaround story: Humble indie dev @castlepixel can stay in business and continue making games. Love y’all! 3 months #Switch revenues surpass #Steam lifetime revenues 20 times!

Or maybe... JUST MAYBE... not every game should be on Steam, otherwise it'll be ignored by the flood of shit and eurojank Steamedditors actually buy

Only soibois support Randy.

It'll be thrash and riddled with DLC.

Good post.

if you give someone else 30% to sell the key for you, or create an entire transaction infrastructure yourself which is the entire point of using someone else's store

Cringe

All memes asside. How do you pirate an online multiplayer game? Last time I did was dungeon hunter and that was tough enough.

I would never pirate a game in my rig but tell me out its technically possible in this day and age to not be able to confirm a game is real that depends on being online all the time? Seriously curious

Reminder that America is controlled by the Jews, therefor I would support a Chink company over an Israel/American anytime of the day.

Using a store doesn't take away all the purchases you made at other stores

>What the fuck do you mean? I support the developers by buying the fucking game

That's like saying you support the Korean animators by watching The Simpsons lol

I dont know who he is. I am guessing another “baddie” in real life. If you know who he is your a loser.

do you expect some finance guy who knows a bit about the video game industry to be a celebrity whose name you've heard before?

>How can anyone support these chinks anymore?
Literally and unironically Chinese shills that get paid with social credits.
Btw daily reminder they already promised to stop taking games off other stores and broke that promise no more than 2 weeks later (after metro backslash)

I guess Undertale never happened.

I think steam deserve that 30% cut just for saving the PC gaming industry.
Remember how close are we to another industry crash because everybody rather pirate games instead of paying?
Remember how steam sales injected confidence into consumers to buy games again?
I'm just glad that EPIC is now trying to push towards another industry crash while steam is just waiting for it to happen so they can save the industry once more and remind everybody who's the boss.

Borderlands 2 had lan support so if this has full lan support you can run a fake lan connection.

I already have to have Uplay to play Anno and origin to play C&C. You're telling me I should have 23.5 different bloatware game libraries running on my computer just because Epic is way late to the punch?

Sweeney can't talk shit about consoles since Fortnite's income depends on them.

you have the option to sell keys on your own for 100% of the cut while still benefiting from Steamworks, you can circumvent their entire store if you think the cut is too high

Yea Forumsalve redditors unironically believe saved PC gaming.

>Valve has a monopoly
>No, the competition they have don't count
>The definition of monopoly is whatever I think it is
Nope

>Valve doesn't respond about cut
>N-NO t-they responded about Metro Exodus!
>But that doesn't have to do with cut
>F-Fuck you Valve Drone!
Please, just stop your existence.

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>steam's cut is disgusting and actively stops devs from making money and being able to make follow up games
Is that why there was an explosion and literally golden age of indie games right when steam became popular?
Sorry you couldn't sell your walk simulator faggot, but it's only because you suck.

So you cant do online stuff? Ie team up with somone online if you pirate?

Thanks for answering.

>steam's cut is disgusting
Tim's face is more disgusting than that and still here you are, gobbling his balls with passion

Okay, Chang.

You do because they don't get paid anymore if the show gets cancelled.

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>Steam is privately held
>Epic regularly gets investment money from China

HMMMMMMST

>>No, the competition they have don't count

They don't count if they're doing Steam cocksucking deals under the table like GoG does

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>So how does Epic compete?
By shilling themselves hard as fuck all over the internet apparently.
Fuck Epic.
GOG > Epic. Any positive argument you can make for Epic and competition can also be made for GOG but better.

Yes, and that's what you pay for. Just know that Valve never forces you to pay the cut, even while hosting your game and providing all the infrastructure for it.

And Disney.

They are doing an avengers cross over in fortnite this week.

It's all completely meaningless unless Valve is the one discussing it since they're the only ones with the data, which they will never do because stupid people like the quoted guy will make up fake things on their behalf and the fake things will always sound better than the reality.

>everyone should stop selling games so MY game can sell to the game-starved masses

Janny the Tranny bans for it. Friendship ended with hot pockets. Tencent's pockets are Janny's new favorite snack.

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Daily reminder that epic isn't interested in you greedy indie shitters.

Never forgetti

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But they fucking did. You guys are too fucking young to remember. Back then when you played on console you put the disc in and that was it. For PC, you had a copy of the game, you manually had to install every single patch (good luck finding out where to start), you had to manually install every 3rd party cancer that infested online games like Punkbuster and even though you bought the game, you still had to put in the disc every single fucking time.
Pirating was quite literally easier than buying a game, you had the patches, you had a NOCD crack and that was it. pirating was easier than buying games, playing pirated games was easier than playing original games.
You zoomers don't appreciate how much Steam did for PC gaming from the automatic DirectX and Visual C install to instant update and a complete transparent system where you can see exactly how many people play a certain game at any given time.
Steam has advantages over pirating, Epic has not.

Don't forget the Fortnite ad half way through Endgame, fuck me that was obnoxious.

How much of a disingenuous cunt can this guy be honestly as if anyone would believe a word he says.

That's funny, because the self published, self developed game Shakedown Hawaii is releasing on Epic Store May 7th

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No it isn't. The shills are shameless today ..

The most played games on PC for the longest amount of time were World of Warcraft and League of Legends. both with their own launchers

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lol, they did a fortnite thing in end game. I play fortnit but never haven't watched a super hero movie in years. That is pretty cringe. Quips, capes, fortnite, probably a few scenes with everyone eating burgers. The ultimate American movie.

Daily reminder to you specifically that he developed river city rampage and you won't reply to this

wait... what?

Fetal alcohol syndrome

>But they fucking did. You guys are too fucking young to remember. Back then when

No, faggot, I am OLD ENOUGH to remember that I could lend out my copy of Doom 3 to a friend after I was done with it

You know what I couldn't do that with? Half Life 2.

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>Valve has a monopoly
Aaaaand stop reading right here. If you gonna say dumb shit that are factually false, I'm not gonna honor you with reading your wall of text

Haha

Like, what? Is that a fake account or something? Or does he seriously think Valve has even noticed their store?

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Pretty funny actually. Kinda makes me like the guy cause he looks like that doogoo

His rat-like demon soul is twisting his physical form.

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>Daily reminder to you specifically that he developed river city rampage and you won't reply to this

What about RCR?

I think every store should have every product.

>Imma paint that corner last.

Its clear you guys are worried? Affraid you might lose your copy of The Elder Rolls: Sky-high 420

as a customer i don't give a shit about devs

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>my quickly shat out 30 minute long "vignette experience" that i didn't even try to do any marketing for sold 27 copies with 8 refunds
>it's steam's cut that keeps me from being successful
>i'd be a millionaire right now if i got 18% more revenue

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Physical media on PC had no chance to compete with pirating. You can be butthurt about it all you want but this is a fact.
Also blue-ray did not take off the same way CD and DVD did. how many people have blue-ray roms in their pc? less than 5%?

I am ok with that but I don't want to pay for all the Steam garbage they say justifies their 30% like streaming. Give me option to get a discount and not get those features.

I know I am not going to see it with EGS but at least it goes to the devs.

I give a shit enough to the point where it means I'll keep getting good games. IE: I'll give you money in return for a product fair and square. But if you try to screw me in any way, you can go fuck yourself. Epic and half of these developers can go fuck themselves with a rusty cactus.

No, they won't, and no, EGS won't be around in a few years when Fortnite dies, which it already is.

>Valve has a monopo-
and I can safely assume the rest was retarded bugspeak.

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This. Its really a PR move as Tim knows full well that regardless if they wanted to, Valve couldn't feasibly drop their revenue cut to 12% and keep things the way they are.

What Valve should've done is reduce thier cut to something like 20% which is probably the lowest they could possibly go.

>when Fortnite dies, which it already is.
You don't have to like the game, but this is delusional. You sound like an old Quake fan when Halo came out.

With numbers like that steam made more money off the upload cost the dev payed to be on steam. Which is why steam doesn't give a fuck about shitty devs who literally sell 0 copies.

But if you sell that game on a store that only has like 20 games on it... well, you're certain to make millions if not billions of sales!

I mean Halo is pretty dead user

>or else

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>World War Z
>A game that is based upon a wildly successful book and movie
>Is a well known thing, should be easy to piggy back off of
>On sale on a store with only 10 other games
>And 100 million "customers"
>Sells 250k copies at most on the store

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lol you're an idiot.

>that reading comprehension.

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>valve takes 30% for sales on steam
>some of the highest selling games on steam are MADE BY VALVE
hmmmm

>which it already is.

You Valve drones already tried this

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Why? This isn't Swtich, nobody is forced to use only singular store. Your game has exactly the same change to sell as any other store.

That's a fuckload of copies desu.

>What Valve should've done is reduce thier cut to something like 20%
>actually responding to tim downey seriously

Is it me or its weird that a CEO of a billion dollar company spergs out and get super emotional on twitter? I understand the new age of social media and all that but seeing this is extremely emberrassing
at least when Trump does it its actually funny

That's why GOG is better, you can copy your installer on a flashdrive and give it to your friend. Incidentally, it's also getting hurt in the crossfire, which I wish didn't happen.

That's less than 1% of the number of "customers" on Epic's store.

what a fucking nigger faggot you're
consoles charges as much and even more for just digital storefront, stop pretending DEVS are getting a cut from revenue sales, they work on fucking salary, they dont get SHIT from game sales unless theyre indies, publishers gets the most money all the time, stop being a fucking cuck

>What Valve should've done is reduce thier cut to something like 20% which is probably the lowest they could possibly go.
and they should do this why exactly? I don't think the EGS deals have had any measurable impact on their business and I doubt they will amount to much. It's not like EGS has a chance to replace Steam. Valve can still make concessions to devs if EGS is actually picked up in numbers. As long as a game is not exclusive to EGS people will still buy it on Steam. Exclusives are the ONLY weapon Sweeney has.

250k is pretty good for a supposed cringeoid Valve drone boycott going on

Imagine how BL3 will do

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>Why? This isn't Swtich, nobody is forced to use only singular store. Your game has exactly the same change to sell as any other store.
Platform Exclusives aren't the same as Store Exclusives. You can sell your game on the Switch E-Shop, at Amazon, at Walmart, at Best Buy, etc. If you release an Epic exclusive you sell it at the EGS.... and that's it.

please see my previous post ;)

>Time of Worldcup
I wonder why views are so high.

Everyone loves attention.

>That's a fuckload of copies
not for the WWZ brand

>Steam reduces the amount of money it gets
>Epic loses a shit ton of money because everybody will just keep buying games on Steam

What does Epic stand to gain from this?

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>MK11 already dead
JUST

In other words

>Just walk away
>And there will be an end to the horror

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fuck off epic shill

It's disgusting how gullible you fucking faggots are.

No, When you sell game on Switch you can only play it on Switch. If you sell your game on EGS, you can play it on PC, not EGS alone.

Why is the EGS so greedy? Humble and Discord are both stores with lower cuts.

>Valve drones
Keep saying it

He knows Steam won't accept it so he can go "SEE, STEAM DOESN'T CARE ABOUT DEVELOPERS!".

But if there are no exclusive deals, you can go to a store that doesn't have that extra garbage, theoretically. Go to a store that had features/prices you like and buy there instead of the store with inflated prices due to extra shit you don't give 2 fucked about.

If a new total war game sold that it would be ridiculed as a failure.

Shut the fuck up, brown nose. You aren't affected by steam having things you don't notice until they're gone.

i came here to say exactly the same thing, he's taking games as hostages on his store while demanding other stores to make changes otherwise he wont stop

Funny aint it? They act like 250k copies is a lot, yet that's
>not even 1% of their customer base
And that's not even including the people outside of their customer base who like World War Z movie and book. They should be lured in by the name alone. A quick google search says that World War Z was at one point fastest to 200 Million dollars for ticket sales.
>LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF ONLY THE EPIC INSTALL BASE

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Yeah and it sold 375k copies on the Playstation store which has an install base of 96 million. It's almost like for some shitty AA shooter to sell 250k copies on a platform that's less than six months old in one week is a pretty big deal or something. Publishers are taking notice; within a couple of years publishers are going to start putting games exclusively on Epic for a year for 0$, because they know most people will buy it on Epic anyway and they get an increased cut of sales

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>using twitch viewers as a metric

when will idiots stop doing this?

Steam just has to do nothing

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How many Steam accounts are there and games still routinely flop on Steam?

>curation
when will this meme die
youtube.com/watch?v=tC6mvCj1DOc

>Incidentally, it's also getting hurt in the crossfire, which I wish didn't happen.
What are you talking about?
Anyways GOG made like 8k profit last year

Oh my god are you bringing up Playstation? Playstation has HUNDREDS of games to choose from! EPIC HAS LITERALLY TWENTY GAMES HAHAHAHA

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>when will idiots stop doing this?

I don't know, ask Valve drones.

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it only works if you post the pasta in Chinese, and you get banned on sight if you do so, posting Tienanmen square massacre 1989 isn't enough

They're not actually *pure* evil. Epic is one of the forerunners in supporting indie game developers and development. They make money off of games that use their engine so obviously it's in their interest to keep the scene healthy. Sweeney is, at his heart, a gamedev. Because of the close relationship they have with these upcoming devs they're trying to champion for them on PC. They're just going about it the wrong way.

I remember back when Gabe still talked to people, people were talking about Steam as taking a relatively small cut when compared to publishers and brick&mortar shops. Why are people suddenly upset over the 30% cut Steam takes?

Shills are mentally ill.

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Epic literally has twenty games on their store to choose from.
TWENTY
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T
Y
And ONE HUNDRED MILLION CUSTOMERS yet a game with almost ZERO competition on their store cannot get sales

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>pissed jose

Why should people buy games they're not interested in?

I'm going to be buying Shakedown Hawaii, releasing May 7th for the record

You know what's not epic? Store exclusives.

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New generations of Indies mad that the largest digital distributor is making a profit. They never had to deal with old publisher cuts, so they don't know how good they have it.

Because Chinaman can offer less, basically.

Correct. They hold the overwhelming majority of PC digital market and most, if not all, of Epic exclusives have announced they're timed. Steam literally just has to wait while Epic's money runs out and they hold tiny player retention.

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The pasta is an autoban Hiroshima sold us out to CIPHER.

I wonder how long WINNIE THE POOH the epic store can last with so few games

>partner commitments?

what did he try to mean by this?

>Why should people buy games they're not interested in
If you have only TWENTY games for sale with a HUNDRED MILLION person install base, it's literally impossible to not get at least one percent of that install base worth of sales. EPIC IS A TOTAL FLOP

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30,000+ games on Steam

>Game sells only 300 copies

That's a yikes from me, Steam drone

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You realize that doesn't matter, right? Studios are jumping to EGS because Epic is guaranteeing them profit in the amount for certain number of imaginary copies sold no matter what they ACTUALLY sell. That's literally money for nothing and since you can't really put a price on consumer trust a lot of devs are taking the bribe.

See you in a couple of years when most of the big names have left Steam to either make their own launchers or stick with Epic because da gamers are weak willed losers. Reddit and Yea Forums mean NOTHING compared to normie's wish to play Borderlands

It was crazy successful and one of the first games people think of when you say indie. It's all part of epic's bullshit where they say they support indie devs but they only give a shit about the ones that are already big and well known like supergiant etc. They absolutely won't take a risk on unproven small indie devs like valve does.

SOMEONE ALREADY BEAT YOU TO THE PUNCH HAHAHA

Does LoK actually not look like total dogshit now?

you're missing the point completely, blossom tales sold so well because back when it released on switch the eshop was less clustered with content, the devs were smart to put the game on the empty eshop quickly and they saw the results, the game was easily visible from the front page. Steam is simply impossible to sort out right now with how many games it allows into the store, i'm not saying they shouldn't allow game but a store layout revamp and a strong policy on shit games going to the last page should be put in place so people can actually find nice new games on steam

>Gears of War and all that "PC gamers are thieves" bullshit

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>They absolutely won't take a risk on unproven small indie devs like valve does.

Axiom Verge is on Epic Store.

>You realize that doesn't matter right
Are you retarded? Lmfao. It exceptionally matters
>No long term support only short term
>Looks terrible for Epic
>Pisses off customers more and more
Epic is a total absolute flop and they're literally throwing around 3 million dollar bills. Tim Sweeny is the most beta male billionaire in existence.

>Axiom Verge
>Unproven
Nigger you what.

For one, Phoenix Point was to release on GOG as well, until Epic snatched exclusivity for it. Epic's lump sum of cash deposits also disallows publishers to release their games on Steam, which probably leads to slower releases on GOG as well

I don't know why you think that's a counterpoint. Axiom verge was on virtually every other platform before that

Why have chink shills latched on to this image? Are they even allowed to watch The Shining? It has a whole room of skeletons at the end.

What REALLY pissed off people about Phoenix Point was the fact they backed it and now they're not getting their promised platform key.

What is unproven indie to you? Phoenix Point was not released anywhere else and it still got an exclusivity deal

Bad indie game gets low sales.
Good indie games get high sales.
This is the natural order of things.

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Supposedly, "Steam Game" was on the banned words list for a short while after the Devotion fiasco, so this is just a riff on that.

> "PC gamers are thieves"
They were though, myself included. Then Gabe shows up and saves PC gaming. Now I have 400+ legit games on Steam.

Gabe's got 3 eyes, man. He always sees the bigger picture. Sweeney eats cheese all day while staring at Chinese women and concocting more plans on how to be a dick.

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>Gabe's got 3 eyes, man. He always sees the bigger picture

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>an estimated 30% OpEx cost
>an addition 23% CapEx

These numbers are completely pulled out of his ass, he was zero idea what valve actually spends on these things

You guys are all fucking retarded. Niche games don't suddenly stop being niche because there aren't other games to compete with it on a storefront. 250k isn't really a number to brag about but it's not a flop either.

Phoenix Point has the creator of XCOM on it for name recognition, and it was crowd funded, so it has proven interest. The fact that it was crowd funded kind of makes them taking the Epic deal more scummy because they're basically already financially insulated from the crowdfunding.

Stop picking on a random Taiwanese man, user

Then he made paid mods with Jewthesda and got shat on.

88 = HH = Heil Hitler

>phoenix point
Wow, headed up by the guy that made xcom, huge risk. I mean unproven like say undertale, Toby fox only worked on romhacks before that

>what is satisfactory

I like that y'all always bring up TAYAL. It's a shitty shota-bait megaman clone. Pic related is just a small example of its promotional material on its store page. Shit like this scares off potential customers, because it shows that the dev didn't give a shit while writing up the promotional material. If they're not going to put in the effort to try and pitch you the game correcly, then why should you think that the quality of the game is any better?

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>attempting negotiations from a position of weakness

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...

>Steam
>Established customer base of boomers, most of which now have jobs and disposable income

>Epic store
>Established customer base of penniless zoomers brought in by Fortnite

It'll be a good while before Steam reacts. Still, competition and attempts to undercut others is always good for the consumer. Stealing exclusives isn't though.

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Why did you (You) me?

>Niche games don't suddenly stop being niche
I understand education is lacking in China, but I didn't think it was this bad. Imagine the Epic store like a giant ad space on a building. There's only a few other ads for competitor products there. Even a niche product should be receiving sales thanks to this fact alone.

Never. It's part of the complementary sub-80 IQ starter kit.

>what is goat sim

That too

didn't know you lost your indie status once you released more than one game

Stereoscopic vision is a side road on the way to true VR, that's why they humor it.
They put money in anything and everything related to gaming.

I bet new indie devs must feel so empowered.

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Are you unable to follow a conversation?
No one wants to use the EGS

>Bethesda works out deal with Valve to get money from modders while giving them a pittance
>gamers hate the idea
>Gabe says "We tried, Todd. It was a bad idea from the start."
>Todd loses his fucking mind and demands that he enforce paid mods
>Gabe: "Noe."
>Todd, refusing to be defeated, gets the brilliant idea to cut Valve out completely and make his own delivery system that will enforce paid mods and creates the Bethesda Creation Club
>it's actually really successful on console because console gamers are just that retarded
>goes nowhere on PC
>Todd still mad and glaring at Gabe
>Gabe: [eats]

i can smell those red numbers coming in

Epic has been giving millions of dollars to indie devs long before the EGS existed

Meanwhile Valve's been doing fuckall

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Wait, is there really a fortnite ad in endgame? I thought people were just joking about that.

> Sells 250k copies
250k out of 1M total.

>250k
>no one on twitch playing it
I don’t believe it. Who is actually buying these cringe games?

>one man project makes low sales but he is overall grateful and happy to see his game on a storefront
>Get s a great job at Capcom and is now making good money

Epic wouldn't have taken his game anyway.

Look at all these cucks in the replys supporting a billion dollar corporation over workers. No wonder American politicians can get away with so much corruption, Americans are literally cucks to the rich.

>250k out of 1 mil total
No, 250k out of 100 million potential total :)

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>steam is just a store

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The sheer fucking arrogance of this person acting like what he's doing is noble and not based on making money.
>no seriously guys we're doing it for you, the gamers!
>now watch as I make hundred of millions of dollars while promoting divisiveness and removing consumer choice

>Meanwhile Valve's been doing fuckall
Not true. Valve has been funnelling money into VR devs just to keep them doing R&D and releasing games. It's totally no strings attached too. Not asking for exclusivity nor anything of the sort, even saying "you can choose to not release your games on Steam for all I care". He just wants to keep them motivated.

>because it shows that the dev didn't give a shit while writing up the promotional material
He's just not good with english

Cállate puto

>this is probably the 100th time this guy has posted the same exact link and quote
I´m not even kidding

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>Gabe allows the absolute SHITSHOW that was the lack of quality control of paid mods to begin with
What a corporate cocksucker you are.

Gaben was rightfully shat upon for daring to say that.

>janny btfo Epicfag

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bait thread. if valve offers 88% share, epic lose their only advantage aside from money. they wouldn't really be able to attract good devs from steam and would have to increase the amount of money needed to buy exclusives. their plan would be dead in the water. They could just put fortnite on steam and rake in money instead

>Valve's been doing fuckall
You don't have to pretend to know things

>Rocket and Hulk go to see Thor
>he's living with Korg, fat and alchoholic
>Korg is playing Fortnite, screen focuses on him playing it on a PS4
>Korg gets trash talked
>Korg hands Thor the headset and thor says "hey noobmaster69 if you don't stop killing my friend I'm gonna come zap your house"
>Korg thanks him
>scene continues
>later on camera is angled in a way so that you see fortnite in the background while they're talking
It was awful

And that's fine, but you're telling me he couldn't find someone to touch it up for him? I get it, but it genuinely scares away potential customers.

Lmao steamcels seething

What the fuck is janny's problem? Someone shidded and cummed in xer hot pocket?

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Niche is still niche. The game itself only sold a million copies, 250k is decent for what they were targeting in all honesty. It's still dumb as fuck of Epic to try and advertise it as if those are flagship sales numbers but those devs easily made enough to blow past whatever advance of sales epic gave them.

>pointing out that he stopped it because the users disapproved
>corporate cocksucker

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What share should they get? Lots of other devs seem to have no problem turning massive profits off steam.

>based janny removed chinkoid shill who's been posting same shit for months yet again
>mfw

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Imagine obsessing over Steam for over a year, and Gabe continues to ignore them

Gabe is fucking based

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You don't, but you have to consider that "supporting indie devs*" *only if they've already made millions isn't really in the spirit of things

I thought it was just a joke

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>deleted

Because Tim Sweeny looks like Stephen King's inbred brother.

You know originally stores got 70% of the cute before Steam right?

>Niche is still niche
Okay, let me address this. Stop misusing a term you don't know the definition of. Niche is an RTS or 4X game. World War Z is an open world shooter with a book and movie backing it up. There is literally nothing niche about that game.

Stores have 2 customers.

One is the person who buys the game.
The other is the person who sells the game.

Epic has correctly posited that customer 1 cares most about the games themselves thus they attract customer number 2 first which will simultaneously attract customer 1. Once they have the key component for customer 1, games, they start bringing in other features,

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youtube.com/watch?v=qOrj1hamQYY

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He's explaining the joke you fucking sperg

This is the definition of monopoly
does Steam share any qualities of it?

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>If I attract customer 2 and say go fuck yourself to customer 1 then customer 1 will come
What.

shoudl've archived the entire thread
epic shills are rampant during euro hours for some odd reason

>Steam has no control over supply, devs go wherever they want constantly
>I'm not sure about steam being an industry itself???
>Doesn't choose prices at all, publishers and devs do
>Has zero barriers to entry
>Brainlet on the demand curve part
>Doesn't have close substitutes, but that is because of them building up the quality of their service
Not him, but those are my brainlet responses.

>steam's cut is disgusting and actively stops devs from making money and being able to make follow up games

Are you seriousely implying that Steams 30% cut they have had for over 15+ years is causing devs to go bankrupt? Do you SERIOUSLY think that devs like Paradox, Kalypso and any indie dev makes ZERO money from selling games on steam??

Knowing the joke is enough to fuck off back.

It's late night Chinese/SEA shitposting. This thread was posted at ~9PM their time.

They aren't saying fuck your to customer 1.

They are saying this game is only on our store. Deal with it. If you want to play it you need to be our customer.

why don't the devs just accept they don't don't deserve the additional revenue

>p-please acknowledge me gaben-senpai my business model doesn't actually work
goddamn that dude is hilarious

>They aren't say fuck your to customer 1
Are you chinese by any chance? And how are they not saying "Fuck you" to customer 1? They couldn't even be fucked to include a fucking shopping cart. They couldn't have more literally said "fuck you" without just outright plastering it in giant neon letters all over their store front.

14/88 isn't exactly some underground shit no one but "sekrit raycist club" knows about

>They aren't saying fuck your to customer 1.
>They're just saying fuck you to customer 1

Same rate as the other major platforms, except Epicshit

>>Valve has a monopoly on the digital storefront for games
stopped reading there desu

>If you want to play it you need to be our customer
Aye, I'll come to your store, all right

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Aside from the fact that Valve doesn't have a monopoly, you do realize how many different types of monopolies there are and that the one you are even implying Valve is is not even close to what it really is.

I'm surprised the mod didn't delete that post.
>No the presence of other store fronts does not mean they don't have a monopoly

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EXPLAIN ZIS PLZ GOOYS???

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Because he's just a common retard, not a shilling chink retard

>how many different types of monopolies there are
Elaborate for sake of my curiosity.

He knows that the 88/12 split isn't sustainable, Epic never hid the fact that Fortnite money was being injected into the store, so he says that because he know Valve won't do it

>Epic gains Valve monopoly
Pottery user. Well done
Your hypocrisy and dumb explanation really show

>Be a dev
>Take a better revenue split, but game gets pirated infinitely more
>Take a slightly worse revenue split, game barely gets pirated

Tough decisions...

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>already bending themselves to valve
Fucking lmao

>How can you support the people who want Valve to share more of the income they steal from developers
i don’t know man.

>This tweet about only 9 copies being sold was just a joke, btw.

Don't trust the kikes from epic games

>Phoenix Point
Who cares? With the EGS exclusivity deal alone they made a shitload.

Oh, that. I think many games that were supposed to be on Steam were going to be on GOG too at least at some point.
What annoys me more is that faggots come up with "better for players/consumers" regarding EGS even though GOG has been about the consumer for years or even since its beginning.
But no publisher with half a brain would allow to get rid of 1$=1€.
I fucking hate indiefaggots and journos so much.

How does Gaben's fat sweaty cock taste?
Are you worried that the hundreds you blew on bullshit Steam cards and backgrounds won't be there when you load a different launcher?

Don't worry, I'm sure Steam will have some other scam event this summer for you to waste money on everything but games you want to play.

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Does he know that if Steam did this, then EGS would have gone bankrupt?

Wew lad. Wew. This level of butthurt.

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>scam event

?

>EGS charges you more if you're not a burger
I'll stick with steam and gog eat my ass

GOG also takes a much lower cut than the EGS.

>gog eat my ass
Please be nice to GOG-Chan.

i read the spoiler, and watched the scene you linked, and i still refuse to believe this is real

It's almost as if EGS exclusivity is a bad thing!

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I don't waste enough time reading gossip. But why does everyone hate epic? It's just not because of the exclusive tag surely

You can family share your account and he gets access to pretty much all your games.
You can't play at the same time tho but still.

>criminal

piracy isn't a crime, its a civil matter

Store exclusivity is a terrible thing for everyone. It's not at all the same as a console exclusive, which can be bought from a plethora of stores.

>It's just not because of the exclusive tag surely
That's pretty much it. There was no reason to dislike them before that. In fact, they were pretty great up until that point.

>scam event
>epic selling games
>put discount but actually more expensive

>This is just the start of the backpedaling before they go bankrupt from the stupid amount of money theyre spending on the exclusivity deals

Top kek. What game did they announce today that had cracked 250K sales like it was some huge fucking number? Dragon's Dogma's PC port sold more than that in its opening week.

All I'm seeing is myself paying extra in epic store for am inferior support, due to super shitty regional pricing. I don't care about cuts.

Gay

Tim Sweeny is a down syndrome looking cunt motherfucker
They literally remove games from competition
Nobody likes being told where you HAVE to buy your product that's not made by that guy
Their store is literally worse in every way
They charge more for non burgers

But if it's exclusive and you're not pirating and will be buying the game anyways, why don't people like doing that? It's literally a store. it's the same as buying a pair of pants from store x over store y.

"Steam is killing indie devs and indie games!"
>Undertale
>Crypt of the Necrodancer
>Night in the Woods
>Terraria
>Risk of Rain
>Faster Than Light
>Shovel Knight
>Enter the Gungeon
>Rogue Legacy
>Don't Starve
>Oxygen Not Included
>Factorio
>Return of the Obra Dinn
>Slay the Spire
>The Binding of Isaac
>Prison Architect
>Hotline Miami
>Transistor
>Papers, Please
>Dead Cells
>Unturned
>Celeste
>The Talos Principle
>Kerbal Space Program
>Stardew Valley
>Underrail
>Hollow Knight
>West of Loathing
>Rimworld
>This War of Mine

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Based Project Zomboid dev gets it.

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>"notice me, senpai!"

Because it's a broken mess

>it's the same as buying a pair of pants from store x over store y.
There is no store y when talking about EGS exclusives. There is JUST store x, nowhere else.

epic store
>satisfactory

Why is it so hard to get four random players into a game?

Has a massive problem with Piracy. Their twitter account has been going insane over the last 3 days complaining about it.

what site is that?

isthereanydeal it's great for finding sales and stuff.

Maybe Valve can offer a lower cut but in return not allow you to use any of the benefits of Steam. Such as the networking, anti cheat, DRM etc

I heard that people stutter less if they properly wipe Gaben's semen from their mouths.

What you get with steam
the friends you've always had
Profile
Market place
Support for ANY controller
Steam workshop
Linux support

Epic store
Shitty games, and a client that constantly gets hacked by some eastern european jackass.

it's easy
make good game, make good money
make bad game, make bad money

Borderlands has a single player mode you fucking brainlet nigger.

Yeah, Epic CEO should definitely try that.

>The movie theater's 40% cut is disgusting and actively stops movie studios from making money and being able to make follow up movies.

>Itune's 30% cut is disgusting and actively stops musicians from making money and being able to make follow up music.

Every time this is brought up the chinks at Epic refuse to acknowledge it. So much for their proud proclamations that Steam is a monopoly and that Epic is working to break that monopoly.

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I don't think you understand this whole situation. Not only do they want a lower cut, they want Valve to also advertise for them, while offering everything what you said.

I've got a huge problem when someone berates me, calls me their enemy, removes my abilities to communicate, makes it known that they are at war against me for no good reason, and after all this then tries to force me to buy things from them by paying creators to only sell through them. This isn't even getting into the level of greed involved when you start taking a magnifying glass to the operation. This is not someone I want to support or do business with so I won't.

They usually respond with something about how buying keys is the same as paying Valve, even though the keys generated by publishers/devs for Steam are free, and Valve doesn't get any money from them.

Reminder that this is the supposed damage being caused by Steam and the ability to review games.

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BL3 is being sold on Green Man Gaming

Why does that trigger you?

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You forgot the Divinity series.
Also Grimrock

I thought GOG takes 30% too?

I would love to see the cut that EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Microsoft, and all other publishers took before Steam allowed every Todd, Dick and Harry publish their games without greenlight.

The only indy devs losing money are the ones making shovelware that resembles things that people like. Good riddance.

I don't want a million different store applications on my computer.

>BL3 is being sold on Green Man Gaming
At full price. GMG tradionally has discounts on new games. Stop being dumb.

I guess you're right, my bad. I thought they were like Discord and Humble with the 5~10% cut range.

Tiananmen Square 1989 Winnie the Pooh Cultural Revolution Anti-Rightist Struggle One Hundred Flowers Campaign Lin Biao Gang of Four

>Make good game
>Respond positively to (most) feedback
>Get sales and positive reviews
This somehow surprises people in 2019.

It's not a steal if Epic has already paid them for all the possible pirated copies upfront.

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Important question

Will Randy ever stop being wrong?

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What's the point of buying keys if it's the exact same price on EGS?

Why not? I mean it's a tiny bit of a pain, but is it really that bad?

The Epic Store sucks because it's just bad. But I seriously don't understand the idea that people are so incensed because "I don't want to install another program". Like, really?

>ebin themselves announced that its a partnership between them and key resellers
>meanwhile Valve did not announced such bullshit and all the steam keys are sold on a partnership between pub/dev and key reseller
Usually pre orders on gmg are sold with normal discounts.
Here however due to ebin's involvement you get nothing. They done it to cover up their retarded behaviour.

>but is it really that bad
It wouldn't be that bad if it was YOUR CHOICE. There are a billion other reasons as to why people hate the EGS as well.

If BL3 is under an exclusivity deal then I'm triggered because it sets an awful precedent for consumers. If it isn't then I'm not.

If they fuck up BL3, Gearbox is done.

>this is a Best Buy exclusive, I won't buy it. I only buy my based vidya from places like GameStop that care about true gamers like me
This thread

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>This is a best buy exclusive
Name five things.

kek

Name one full video game from the last decade that was exclusively sold at Best Buy.

I see that shit mentioned often, especially some years ago when people talked about GOG a lot. People pulled that "Steam takes 30% buy from GOG" out of their ass. One friend even told me to buy A Hat in Time on GOG because Steam takes 30%

Consoles take even bigger cuts and less to devs.

Ching chong

>Has a massive problem with Piracy.
Well, considering the last time Epic ditched the PC market they were screaming about pirates, this sort of shit makes sense.

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Valve kiddies need to fucking die lol. The 88% cut on Epic's store is objectively better than Valve'ss 70% cut. Only a blind fanboy would disagree

not that guy, that's not the point. You guys are literally taking sides with mega corps. Just buy from whomever gives you the best price, not based on how long you've had the steam account your mommy got you.

Before you fucks start, I pirate anything I can.

Lmao all this shit is going to go full circle. Once Epic Store's catalog, community content & customer service reach what Steam's is today, they will take the same, if not bigger cut. The amount of money that they're going to have to invest to prevent and fight against fraud is insane. It's why Steam takes such a huge cut. Epic would do the same fucking thing as Steam once they reach their level. Hypocrites.

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bestbuy.com/site/golf-story-nintendo-switch/6308322.p?skuId=6308322

>Just buy from whomever gives you the best price
steam it is

Because Xenoblade Chronicles for Wii being exclusive to GameStop worked out so well for consumers, right?

>You're taking sides with mega corps
Why the fuck would I support someone who is trying to fuck me in the ass?

Why does Tim publicly talk about Valve so much?

yeah man, that's what I said. Just look for the best deal. Probably be different for most games. Soon you're library will be split across 3 or 4 accounts.

Valve and Epic just want to make big bucks. You're just a cog, a current willing participant in their goal to gain cash.

>Valve or Epic just want to make big bucks
AND? one of these is still currently trying to fuck me in the ass. No thanks.

>without any major strings attached
like exclusivity?

>The only entitled fags here are customers
Why should a customer care about anything other than how the customer benefits?

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both are. I pirate literally everything to the point where if I can't, I don't play it. I literally have no horse in this race. I'm just telling you that your idiocy is showing.

nintendo.com/games/detail/golf-story-switch/
Available on the EShop

literally has nothing to do with his point you autistic brainlet simp. Have sex.

>Just buy from whomever gives you the best price,
See that's the thing. Epic store doesn't give you a better price. In fact, a lot of payment methods have extra fees on top. Especially if they're in a region where their currency isn't supported and they have to convert it to another currency first. Then they're paying even more on top of whatever fees. And then there's also the fact that, aside from giving away subnautica, they've never had anything like a sale. You can't get keys for Epic store through third party retailers that sell keys for cheaper.

So look at what they're offering the consumer: LITERALLY nothing, for a higher price. This isn't about sucking off one megacorp while condemning another -- it's not about Epic vs Steam, this is about Epic vs the consumer. Epic (and the devs from whom it's secured exclusivity) are the ones desperately taking to social media and trying to cover all that up by making it about Epic vs Steam at every chance they get. Their practices are anti-consumer, yet you have people like Randy Bitchford tweeting about how they're pro-consumer and Steam isn't.

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>Name one full video game from the last decade that was exclusively sold at Best Buy.
>Lists something not exclusively sold by Best Buy
>Call him out
>WHAT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

Have sex, Valvecel.

One is trying to fuck me in the ass with features, sales, and tangible consumer benefits. The other is trying to fuck me in the ass by restricting my choice in stores, removing features because they're toxic and effectively coercing me into having to use their store. The two aren't the same at all retarded centrist-chan.

Physical copies aren't tied forever to the store where you bought them. Nice try tho.

>console exclusives and OS exclusives aren't a thing.

Brainlet it is then.

sauce now

>Both are
Valve is just trying to sell me a product. If you want to steal shit and be a faggot about it, that's on you Jamal.

Make no mistake, I pirate because it's easy, and I feel like it. Not to front about some bullshit consumerist crusade like you homos.

They don't have to be a thing on pc corporate dicksucker-kun

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>not a front about some bullshit consumerist crusade
And yet here you are. Doing just that. Give it back Jamal.

thanks slut

Up here in Canada we just got hit with a new law saying that people caught doing "illegal downloads" can face a fine of up to 5 thousand dollars.

I guess i'm buying that VPN.

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This is good bait.
>Even though there are plenty of other stores, Valve has a monopoly
>The definition of a monopoly has changed because I said so

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you're projecting. I just thought I'd point out how retarded you all sound for fighting over which cock gets shoved into your ass.

we don't negotiate with terrorists

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>DRM from Epic Games
So the same fucking problem exists then? Why even act like it isn't on EGS at that rate?

Finally someone mentions salaries

Already are. You are forced to go with microsoft windows for almost anything new.

Well, luckily valve have proton whic- oh. Nevermind.

Not today man, your mom sucked me dry last night

>Chinese communists say they'll stop trying to undercut the competition if they host matchmaking servers, video streaming, social networking services, and cloud saving for free

9 COPIES

part of that 30% goes to overhead costs so they aren't passed onto you, you fucking retard.

>Please, come buy games for full price for my shitty, dirty, basement store where the staff yells and spits at you between running the meth lab in the back
>Oh, we are also bribing or intimidating people to pull their product from other stores and to exclusively sell them at ours. That is just competition, its health and good for you go- I mean customer Xd.

"No thanks, I'll go to store 1, sometimes stores 2 and 3 instead.

>W-well we DIDN'T WANT YOU ANY WAY
>You are ruining this industry, ITS ALL YOUR FAULT

Suck my cock you fat, brain damaged boomer. Its not 1985 any more.

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You forgot "but those stores are anti-consumer! we're not!"

No they won't

End of thread.

>part of that 30% goes to overhead costs so they aren't passed onto you, you fucking retard
About 5% probably. The next 25% is profit. Steam doesn't even have dedicated customer service, they pay for nothing.

>BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME DON'T YOU SEE
>You are all just sheeple unlike le ebin based me LOL

No one is saying that steam is perfect, or that they are not a business.
What people are saying, and what is glaringly obvious you self fellating, pretentious ass hat is that other stores, steam included offer better prices, better customer support, and better service than epic all while competing with one another with out holding games hostage trough bribed exclusivity.

Epic isnt "just another alternative" or "just creating competition" they are perpetuating the same shitty, boomer tier, anti consumer business practices seen in console gaming, cable TV, streaming services, ect all while their CEO acts like a pretentious bellend.

On top of anything the a bankrolled by a fucking Chinese tech giant that has been eating up tech and media companies for the last 5 years.

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If Steam did that it would make exclusives more expensive making buying them not worthwhile.

>better customer support
Not fucking Steam that's for sure.

So he admits that their exclusivity deals are purely an attack on Steam and have no other purpose.

And by extension, he's admitting that eliminating 18% of Steam's revenue is more important than anything they could do on their own store. He doesn't even want to make a good store, does he? It's 100% about bringing Steam down.

fucking based

>Two indi games release on steam
>Steam handles literally everything related to selling the game
>Both games marketed in the same way, to the same extent
>"Star truckers fucking hookers on planet omega while shooting aliens" Sells well
>"An alternative pixel art novel of my lgbtqxyza life in black and white with no sound" doesn't sell well

Retarded developers that made a game for a market that was over saturated, or for an audience that doesn't exist proceed to cry on twitter about how its all steams fault, yell about their political views and that we need communism RIGHT NOW.

Mean while the developers of "Space truckers" not only made a game that they knew had a market, they also supported it post launch, had good PR and good relations with their community IE not yelling at them on twitter.