Games as a Service Thread 2

Jannies sure love to suck some big corporate dick

This is a discussion about game preservation, we are talking about games and the future of online-only games.

Shills are afraid of people knowing about their legal rights, so they are shitposting in these threads, don't give them attention.
Avoid talking about Ross, focus on GaaS problem.

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Fuck this is one ugly faggot

>games using niggers and feminism to destroy western society: I sleep
>MTX: woke

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Kill yourself, spammer. If you genuinely wanted to discuss this topic you wouldn't be shilling the same retarded video in the OP of all these threads.

I love Ross, and I'm 100% behind game preservation, but I can't see legal action doing good for the industry in the long term. Game companies and publishers are going to try and fuck the consumer over as much as possible for money as long as gamers keep eating whatever is being shit out on their plate. A fundamental change in the culture is really needed here. As difficult as that is, videos like this that comprehensively attack the issue do help. I just wish Ross wouldn't brush that off so dismissively.

Spotted the shill.

I missed the last thread by a thread and i don't know who this youtube analist is but he sure grins like a bozo. Maybe he shouldn't make a giant stupid face on his thumbnail.
So what's this about? Game as a service is the future we choose, abandon videogames or allah hakbar some big publisher HQ, you care about videogames right so aren't you ready to die for them?
Send a message, kill some innocents, i don't understand why corporate firms aren't being targeted by terrorists even thought everyone seem to hate them.

Digital distribution IS "games as a service", you no longer buy an actual copy, you only pay for a license to download. Why are people not able to comprehend this? Are they too retarded, too brainwashed, or is it the sunk cost mentality and they don't want to admit that normalizing paying for digital distribution and getting rid of physical copies was a mistake? You faggots sure do seem to love GAAS with how much you praise le gaben
Legality has nothing to do with it, they are completely different models. Renting a car or paying for a taxi and outright buying a car might involve the same car but they are entirely different models.

Please point out some other videos that tackle the subject just as well and maybe we could use those too.

Cut your hair you disgusting hippy

Ban companies from charging for digital distribution.
Legalize piracy.
Boom, gaming is saved.

Now that the OP isnt an eceleb, lets talk about the subject, shall we?

I'm an autist that only uses decades old

FUCK JANNIES AND FUCK THE SHILLS

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Your point is addressed in the video. Please watch it before spouting that same talking point again, and provide a counter-point if you're still unconvinced.

I love that there are huge fucking threads on some shits on twitter and even a fucking darksydephil thread but Ross is fucking deleted on a regular basis.

>ross shill calling anyone else a shill

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It literally doesn't matter whether it is digital or not. Goods can be digital just as well. Watch the video and come back with some other dumb excuse.

>needing videos to argue your point for you
The OP of these shit threads is clearly shilling for this youtuber

>Goods can be digital
More anti physical objects, pro digital brainwashing from Valve

If I bought a car, and the dealer said, he can, at anytime, remove the engine, and I'm not allowed to fix, I'm sure most countries would consider this a crime

Spoiler alert: the more morons vote for business-friendly Republican candidates, the more corporations will be allowed to run over your rights. Libertarianism is a meme ideology and corporations are a danger to your liberty.

imagine actually buying video games lmao

FOR FREE

He talks about that in some part.
"Culture change"/"voting with the wallet" doesn't fucking work because the consumer is retarded. The general public doesn't care if an unpopular game ins't playable anymore, as long as they have their FOTM/FOTY meme game they won't mind.
Using the law is the only way to stop publishers from doing this kinda shit

post yfw you lived through the best years of video games before the onset of terminal cancer (90s-2010s)

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Dems are more so the party of corporations now.

>I see absolutely nothing wrong with GaaS
The problem is games are dying for no other reason than developer malfeasance.
Except you can't even pirate these games if you wanted to. The devs are essentially locking games up and throwing away the key because they're lazy, greedy, or both.

If you pay a one time perpetual license fee for something it is by definition a good and not a service under the laws in most countries and in the EU "a purchaser of a perpetually-licensed software becomes the exclusive owner over that instance of software". This issue of a single purchase perpetual license hasn't gone to the higher courts in the US but if it did it would probably have a similar result.

What about GaaS games that aren't sold as digital?
Stop defending billionaire corps you cock sucker

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There is are interesting points to discuss about gaming becoming a service industry but asking people to watch one full hour of this guy speaking face-camera is unreasonable. Nobody wants to watch that shit.
So service games, i think it sucks. Yeah it sucks!

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I'm not watching an hour long video of some grown man complaining about video games. Summarize it in one post.

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Basically the same problems as MMOs/Online only games. Once the service shuts down the game becomes unplayable. Even if people try to start private servers they're threatened by legal action or it's not the same because it's heavily bugged.

These threads are getting deleted because OP's post is low quality. Any retard can post a youtube link.

You should be able to use the product that you bought after the company decided stop supporting it.

Games are trying to market themselves as a service but provide none of the consumer protections a service normally has. Games are also sold exactly as a good but developers are basically able to brick/make a game unplayable which you can't do to a traditional good. EULA's are also bullshit.

You need to read more books.

When devs do this GaaS shit and they no longer wish to support their game, it ends up dying. Not just normal dying, it becomes 100% impossible to play these games. Ross wants there to be accountability for devs to provided the minimum amount of resources for a game to be played after support is pulled.

That's why they elected a billionaire president who gave all the government positions to rich people who want to destroy those departments.
The EPA goes to a coal lobbyist, the Department of Education goes to a for-profit "college" shill, everything gets deregulated...
Totally dems' fault, lol.

Doesn't that happen to physical games these days too? Not just with patches but online modes and whatnot. It's been like even to some games from the first Xbox era. You need to do a lot gymnastics to get those games to work again.

Came here to post this. If you can't argue your points yourself and need some faggot youtuber to make your points for you then you are nothing more than a shill.

I'm glad we're finally getting some moderation. Now if only we could get rid of every thread that has a fucking twitter post as it's OP it'd be perfect.

>piracy doesn't hurt the gaming indu-

Everybody already knows that the 2 party system is a joke because there's no option for things like
>me like environment
>me not like corporations
>me not like trannies
>me not like immigrants
There's no option but to pick the lesser evil of things you don't want. Democracy was an experiment from its inception but there's nobody checking to see if it fucking works.

I'm aware that's what he said, and I think it's not a great idea. Going the legal route is just going to enable further consumer retardation and allow for gaming companies to walk all over gamers even further. I think intervention like this could have unintended consequences, and without a solid gaming culture that emphasises smart consumer decisions, it'll just be accepted at face value.

>consumers turn "linear" and "single-player" into swear words during the 6th console generation
>consumers are upset when the natural conclusion of multiplayer-centric online games comes home to roost
Serves all of you right.

I just want this fad of half-finished games to die. I don't care about online services getting shut down long after I've lost interest in playing them. The 8 people who still want to play in a half-full lobby can eat one.

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Yes but in some games you can't play them at all if the authentication service shuts down even if they're single player. Look at Denuvo games for instance, if Denuvo servers are down for any reason you can't play and there are still plenty of Denuvo games out there that haven't received a crack.

Corporations love big government. It allows them to step on competition, and it also means that their lobbying dollar is going to go further. Special interest groups, labor unions, and corporations all love big government because they buy up politicians and use the power of the state as a cudgel for whatever means they see fit.

Is that all?
How about the fact that extending the content production for a game over possibly years leads to a disjointed mess of game and a shitty situation for the player where they can't play the whole game until years after launch.
Videogame players want to play the whole package and this drive has been abused, beaten for lunch money, taken advantage of to turn this entire industry into bullies who beat us for lunch money.

Games as a service reeks of communism. I want my physical games that I can resell, thank you.

And how many quality OPs are there on this board? At least this one can lead to actual discussion outside of the normal bait.

2bf the time when linear games were dragged through the mud was probably the most stagnant period in game development ever. People didn't do anything wrong complaining, they just didn't realize the problem was the devs rather than the game type.

Shit devs gonna shit.

Cars are physical objects.
EULAs only matter when legally applicable and they are legally applicable with digitally distributed games and other media, ability to access their server is revoked every day easily and legally. If a company goes under and their server disappears then your license is revoked without you being able to do anything about it and without the company being legally punished. EULAs don't matter when it comes to actual physical copies with the entire game on the physical media and that doesn't require some server since the only way to revoke it would be to have the government raid your house to "revoke" the physical copy which they cannot do therefore a physical copy isn't just a license which is one of the many reasons the industry is trying as hard as possible to get rid of physical copies and why Valve got rid of them on PC.
I think its a mix of you people being brainwashed Valve drones and having the sunk cost mentality, your entire "argument" is to make digital distribution look better. Just pirate if you don't want physical copies
Paying for digital distribution is a "service", I wasn't referring to it legally in that post. The government can say white is green, that doesn't change the fact that white is white.
Digital "goods" shouldn't be a thing legally, if anything that needs to be done away with.
You corporate cock suckers started the problem by accepting Valve's bullshit and now you want us to delve further into it. Make it illegal for companies to charge for digital distribution and legalize piracy.
That isn't a physical copy, that is a download code in a box which Valve popularized. A physical copy has the entire game on the physical media and doesn't require some online server or platform like Steam to be playable. They release games like in your pic to push digital.

Fun anecdote: IRE, who make MUDs/yacht-spawning text ponies/epileptic fits from combat spam had this concept in 1997. The owner, original dev and man who won't stop fucking climbing rocks outside of California fuck's sake Matt actively tried to prove he had a cause to reverse patent some of the business concepts around the p2w concept back in about 2009, but it turns out that a) nobody has a chance because it's basically been around since the fucking 80s and b) IRE made the terrible mistake of making it technically feasible to get disney dollars, "credits" in game which apparently also takes away some potential legal "we cashwhaled our customers first" patent.

TL;DR if someone had been smart there's a chance microtransactions/p2w could have been harder to pull off, but a bit like seatbelts a lack of patent means its now in every fucking car and causes whiplash at high speed.

lmfao go to the catalogue and consider if that rule is actually enforced.

>Digital "goods" shouldn't be a thing legally, if anything that needs to be done away with.
If you're wanting to go back to the good ol' napster days I'm afraid you're shit out of luck.

You guys should check out Dark Spore. that's the prime example of a games as a service failure. It's been 3 years since the game shut down and there's literally no way to play it anymore. Even private server efforts can't get it working.

>EULAs only matter when legally applicable and they are legally applicable with digitally distributed games and other media
Except US court don't know what to do with EULA, sometime they follow, sometimes they deny it , and aussie court told Valve, Steam games are product not a temporary licenses.

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At least put some efforts to not make it look like a typical e-celeb cringefest thread.

But what about the environment? Which one do you think is the best solution? The one that procudes millions of extra plastic boxes, or the ones that don't?

Yeah, we live in this polluted world because you entitled babies keep wanting things you can't even take to the other world once you die (and will remain in this world for hundreds of years because plastic doesn't decompose)

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I just download repacks for the most part since nothing had a demo anymore and buy it if I like it or wunna play online.
Not dropping 50-100usd on new games either I'd rather wait and see if they have any staying power

what?
no one is asking for physical copies fucking dumbass frog poster.

Suddenly everyone shuts up. Because you guys know environment issues do exist and are tightly tied to extreme consumerism.
>w-who cares about the fish
Yeah, enjoy eating microplastics. Because that goes up the food chain until your ass to cause you cancer.

>Half the catalogue being outrage-pandering twitter handles is fine
>A video in-depth about the idea being discussed is not

I see a lot of people asking that itt.

>ability to access their server is revoked every day easily and legally
One could argue you have your multiplayer rights revoked when you get banned on a game like overwatch, but doesn't lose the game. Its effectively the same, but not ilegal. The EULA is valid in those situations.

>cancer
I'm looking for a logical reason to kill myself.

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> Paying for digital distribution is a "service"
No it isn't. You are purchasing a one time perpetual license which is by legally defined as a good anywhere outside the US. Goods are not always tangible and may be virtual. An E-Book still has the utility of a book and therefor is classified as a good and not a service. Valve clearly killed your dog and fucked your mother and for that I am sorry.

Okay, I usually skip the discussion, but this is a serious topic.
GaaS is cancer. For many reasons:
Because it affects the entire gaming industry. Companies will continue to do this because it is profitable. The exact same problem is that the game is divided into pieces for greater profit. It is companies that are looking for the best ways to fool consumers.
> COMPANIES IS BAD
Okay fag, listen up. Look on Terraria, how many free contents got, and look on Destiny, when game contents was cut off for DLS. After all, companies have never interfered in the creation of games, thereby sabotaging the developer. OOPS, dead space 3 ... And the more the game is cut on DLS, the more pirate gets.
>You don't know anything
Uh..... Alright, when 2008 was crisis for slavic game industry, what all developers intro all games will be online. And i ask you, how many slavic online game you know for now?

>like physical copies of games are a major contributor to pollution or climate change, which the business-friendly, deregulating right denies
Fuck you. I want physical copies, and fuck valve.

God damn i just want games that i don't have to wait 2 years after launch for them to be complete.

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Anyone who decided to specialise in contract and service industry law is going to be fucking MINTED over the next 40 years.

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it's the Freeman's Mind guy, he does a lot of reviews for old stuff as well

>WELL IF YOU DONT LIKE BEING FUCKED OVER
>WHY DONT YOU GO OUT AND MURDER PEOPLE?

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And I don't want you to have physical copies so I'm going to keep supporting games as services to keep less plastic in the world.

underrated

GaaS doesn't preclude physical copies.

You can buy games online and not have it be a fucking service, oh my god you guys are fucking retarded.

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You don't understand what the issue is. Digital distribution and GaaS aren't the same thing.

>These threads are getting deleted because OP's post is low quality. Any retard can post a youtube link.
>Yet twitter race-bait screen cap threads are still allowed.

Jesus, the mods and tranny jannies are retarded.

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Yeah fuck this retard for actually talking about video games, lets keep posting shitty race-baiting twitter screencap threads.

Culture doesn’t change unless the people within it do, and the vast majority of people will never give a shit about lofty ideals like preservation of media unless there is a huge push that they can join in on. I don’t mean “A huge push within the community of the media” I mean “Notre Dame”

You don’t even know what the term you are arguing about means, how pathetic.

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You arent wrong, but the point of ross's video is more than "GaaS bad". He actually brings up the fact there is a LOT of misinformation and corporate propaganda going on. People THINK the companies make the rules and there is nothing to do, but ross brings up enough laws and court precedents to prove that what those companies are doing is illegal, but no one is enforcing the law.

Digital copies arent gaas
Steam isnt gaas
Origin or epic store arent gaas
Individual games are gaas
Gaas games have central servers when they arent necessary, to remove power from the consumer.

>If you can't argue your points yourself and need some faggot youtuber to make your points for you then you are nothing more than a shill.

That's a ridiculous idea. Why shouldn't people refer to a better, more concise and accurate version of expressing their views? Your idea means nobody builds on stuff and goes against actually reaching some sort of conclusion because everyone has to start from scratch. When someone makes good points on a subject, why arbitrarily deny using them?

GAAS is fraud because they sell you a shitty game with the promise of a full game over time with no accountability to actually do so. The idea of GAAS could be used to provide very dynamic, cool experiences, but what they usually provide is just a flimsy base-game with even flimsier """"free""""" DLC later on with high-dollar marketing included to paint it as something else. The reason for this is that the latter is cheaper, and the propoganda is that it's also a better experience than one full game at delivered at the point of purchase.

>GAAS is fraud because they shut down online service at some point, and GAAS are actually products
GAAS is only 'not a service' by Ross's definition of a service. If the law doesn't dictate that a service must have a designated timeframe, then a game is free to be labeled as a service and you have no leverage to make demands of devs of online games. Even if you did, they'd likely just start specifying that the game will remain online for 2 years on the back of the box, which would just as easily make online support end sooner as it could later.

Because game quality is a subjective thing and shitty games aren't something you can really say is illegal. However, completely denying you the ability to play the game you bought would definitely qualify as fraudulent.

If you buy the game via a one time purchase it is legally a good. Not a service

youtubers who put the camera on their ugly ass face when they're talking need to be gassed

>gas

Make a case for a game not being a service that's better than Ross's, because his is neither legal nor logically sound. And if a game can be a service, it doesn't have to be available to you indefinitely.

There are plenty of services you can buy via a one-time payment. Though most of them have some kind of at-least-estimated timeframe, I've yet to see any proof of that being a legal requirement of a service.

Moss

>you only pay for a license to download
Yes and once you download it you own it (if it's DRM free).
The data is the product, not the disc. The disc is just a medium to hold the data