>game features “dragons”
>they’re actually wyverns
Why the FUCK is this allowed?
Game features “dragons”
Ayden Hernandez
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Jackson Jackson
Tell me the difference
Camden Moore
>game features a kettle calling the pot black
Easton Harris
The difference is that autists sperg out when you call one pretend animal the name of a different pretend animal.
Ian Rodriguez
>that guy whose argument is "real dragons don't look like that"
Jeremiah Thompson
I'm glad you noticed that it's a specific type of dragon, OP.
Adam Gomez
Dragons have 4 legs and 2 wings
Wyverns have 2 legs and 2 wings
Isaac Turner
Thanks
Xavier Taylor
actually dragons are some fucked up long'ish snake that flies deflying all laws of physics
Ian Robinson
Dragons have 4 wheels
Juan Turner
Because "dragon" has more than a single interpretation.
Hunter Murphy
Western dragons are realistic while eastern dragons aren’t
Jace Reyes
real dragons would have a dick
Jose Morgan
>tfw you learnt the difference in Witcher 1
Brayden Flores
Kayden Powell
>japanese """""humor""""
Andrew Reyes
Thomas Reyes
Austin Murphy
pic related is also a dragon
your point
Adrian Robinson
>"i'm a what?"
Jaxson Sanchez
looks like a handbag to me
Parker Collins
That's a little cherry picked, given that monster hunter, which is Wyverns: the game is eastern.
Brayden Morgan
This is a dragon
Lucas Bailey
YER A LIZARD
Liam Sanders
Zachary Morgan
this is a knife
Brandon Lee
All dragons are wyverns but not all wyverns are dragons just like all humans are primates but not all primates are humans
Jose Green
>FUCK YOU HAGRID, YOU CHUBBY COON
>I'M NOT A LIZZARD
>I'M JUST 'ARRY
Brandon James
What is this dragon?
Evan Ross
Things only tumblr landwhales care about.
Daniel Carter
Seath was a scaless dragon.
Julian Hall
You got a problem with wyverns, mother fucker?
Lucas Young
Well Just Harry, you're a wizard.
Mason Myers
and yet irl no creature can grow wings as separate limbs out of their back, it's usually apart of the hand/claws, etc.
Brayden Howard
Nice wings.
Brody Reed
I love how wyvernfags hang onto that fact, while completely ignoring that a creature with the features of a dragon couldn't exist even if it only had four limbs following the same rules of realism.
Jacob Perez
What about insects?
Camden Green
insecdisdiiiiik
Anthony Hughes
No VERTEBRATE animal can have more than two pairs of limbs.
Landon Foster
Just sharing a pic of St. George the DRAGON slayer.
Jason Wright
OH NO NO NO
Zachary Cruz
why not?
Jack Long
I bet it was just a crocodile in real life.
Ian Hughes
But it's his son, St george the 2nd, it's in your filename.
He's known as the slayer of wyverns
Zachary Evans
All wyverns are dragons but not all dragons are wyverns.
Brandon Young
"Allowed" by whom? What's there to "allow"?
Easton Carter
>459852642
>this thread again
Reminder that wyvern is literally just another name for dragon.
Gabriel James
a wyvern is a type of dragon you dumbass. a dragon that specifically has 4 legs and 2 wings is a high dragon. its taxonomical name would be draco draconis
Luke Williams
Skeletal structure and muscle placement. And wings especially would be impossible, seeing as two pairs of limbs would have to come off the same points on the body.
Bentley Howard
Ryan Butler
That's like saying a kobold is a type of dragon. What a dumbass.
Ryder Ward
Seath is a bitch
bitch ain't got no scales
he even got no legs
Gavin Hall
>no evolutionary reason for limbs from the back
To fly with, duh.
Adrian Rogers
Yeah, that's what I thought, little bitch.
Connor Flores
It isn't as set in stone as some people think. Same as Elves can be pointy eared faggots or little fairies depending on the universe
Anthony Baker
Wyverns, or dragons with 4 limbs total (two modified front limbs that are wings) and 2 back limbs are the best design as it’s somewhat realistic and follows conservation of biology. ‘Dragons’ that have 6 limbs (4 legs and 2 wings) make zero fucking sense and are stupid.
Lincoln Walker
AIN'T EVEN GOT LEGS
Hunter Evans
Ya sure about that
Nolan Hernandez
There are western Dragons that would be qualified as unrealistic in this chart.
The Dragons in Eragon have for legs for instance
Lucas Barnes
No, it doesn't make "more sense" because there's no sense to be made there at all. It's not a matter of moving to a lighter shade of gray; it's a matter of proposing a standard of white that simply isn't applicable. Four-limbed dragons don't make any more sense than six-limbed ones, because the only standard by which they'd make more sense is the standard of real-world biology, which flatly does not apply to the creature as even with four limbs, there are other issues that keep such a creature from being able to realistically exist without handwaving shit with magic.
Christian Green
an inferior being
Jordan Bailey
Except in Dark Souls it's completely different. Drake's are Wyverns, Dragons have 4 Wings and Wyverns are Dragons but not everlasting
Luke Allen
that'd be one tiny ass dragon
Chase Phillips
>there are other issues that keep such a creature from being able to realistically exist without handwaving shit with magic
Such as?
Zachary Clark
wyverns are a type of dragons
Jose Turner
There are two schools of thought that argue stupidly among eachother;
1) Dragons should make evolutionary sense and have only 4 limbs, two of which are wings. And those idiots who think they should have 4 legs and 2 wings are stupid because they're fantasy creatures xD DURRRRRR
2) They are defined as four legged creatures with wings in heraldry and always have four legs with or without wings in both western and eastern tradition, as well as having four legs in most source material for any "high-fantasy" narratives, and we have ascribed a different word for 2 legged wyrms with wings, so why not either call these skyrim dragons "wyverns" or give them four legs?
Guess which side I'm on.
Thomas Barnes
not entirely true since there are dragons that resemble the classic dragon design with four legs and two wings and wyverns still only have 2 wings and 2 legs, drakes just seem to be smaller offshoots of wyverns with lightning instead of fire
Charles Roberts
>a flying magic fire-breathing dinosaur
>realistic
Joshua Taylor
No that is a big danger noodle.
Jose Roberts
On the retarded side since wyverns are also dragons by definition. youtube.com
Dominic Perez
>Brother Alberic stretches his cramping fingers and surveys his work- a remarkable illumination of Saint George slaying a cruel, serpentine dragon.
>The door creaks, and Alberic finds his contemplation disturbed by the unmistakable and unwelcome gait of Brother Analretentiva.
>He turns in his seat and groans when he sees a large leatherbound tome under Analretentiva's arm, the title "Monster Manual" in gold leaf, faintly visible in the candlelight.
>Brother Analretentiva waddles over to survey the illumination. He lets out a laboured sigh and runs his forefinger up the bridge of his nose.
>"Acksherly" he splutters in his characteristic stilted monotone. "I think you will find that you have in fact drawn a wyrm, and not a dragon."
Cooper Cruz
>because the only standard by which they'd make more sense is the standard of real-world biology, which flatly does not apply
Except it has two eyes, teeth, 1 head, claws, blood, scales, 5 philanges, the same joint count and arrangement, and many other features that closely tie it to the standard morphology of vertebrates. By that, in its design, it’s supposed to be based in real-world biology. Your argument is like having the wheels on FFXV’s car designed to spin backwards when driving forward when the rest of it is based on what a real car looks like and when someone points out how dumb it is you say “WELL IT’S FINAL *FANTASY* AND NOT A RACING SIM, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REAL-WORLD CARS!”
Gabriel Miller
Oh, yeah remembered the Wyverns wrong. Which Dragon has only 2 Wings though?
Angel Long
I love an opportunity to bust this out.
Dominic Walker
Square cube law is a major issue as well as supplying itself with food. Most massive predators in our world died out because there's not enough large prey in enough quantities for them. Most dragons are not depicted with such a small and flimsy frame compared to the largest flying animals on earth, even the wyvern type designs are packed with too much muscle and mass and they clearly do not have hollow bones.
Lift comes from wing area, and must overcome weight. Double a flying animal's size and its wings get four times as big, but its weight increases to eight times as heavy. So the wings must get disproportionally larger to lift it.
Dragons are also usually portrayed as smart creatures, and smart creatures with large brains require an increased amount of energy from the body. This also doesn't take into account the kind of movement speed a dragon usually exhibits as well as the energy and mechanics needed for fire breath. Additionally, most wyvern dragons in media have shitty and non-functional wing membranes that are too tiny as well, a major anatomical mess up for those claiming to follow realism.
Chase Foster
The Everlasting Dragons, Midir and the Stone Dragon found in Ash Lake have four sets of wings
Kalameet, Ancient Dragon and Sinh are the closest "modern" dragons to the Everlasting Dragons but only have 2 wings
Isaiah Moore
No wyverns are distinct from Dragons by virtue of the number of limbs. They both fall under the umbrella of "Drake" or "wyrm" but the distinction in high fantasy is made between dragons and wyverns for a reason; so "type of dragon"? maybe, but then guess what you've done? You've robbed the only word that then discerns a 2 legged dragon from a 4 legged one and in fact in some contexts (heraldry) you would be WRONG calling a wyvern a dragon. So no. Skyrim was wrong to do that, and it was laziness and the fact that the game would be less marketable to absolute retards like you if they called them wyverns instead of dragons.
Colton Jenkins
No user you're factually wrong. youtube.com
Adrian Martin
>game has wyverns and dragons
>they both have 4 legs and 2 wings
Kayden Jackson
In short, the realism excuse is often in actuality a half-assed and pretentious attempt to look smart and pat yourself on the back. The only acceptable answer to "why four-limbed dragons" is aesthetic preference. As soon as you try to drag real world biology into it, you've gone full retard. Obviously, in a world with gods and magic, that shit simply does not matter. In a world where dragons are EXPLICITLY the product of supernatural intervention, appealing to evolutionary principles is downright silly.
Jeremiah Martinez
>the distinction in high fantasy is made between dragons and wyverns for a reason
Only in fantasy universes where a distinction is needed in the first place.
Jason Turner
The heraldic distinction exists in British heraldry and has only been so since the 16th century. The distinction exists in fantasy only so the monster manual could get padded out with more monsters for more levels.
Just because somebody else doesn't subscribe to this pissbottler tier TTRPG bullshit autism which postdates mythology and medieval manuscripts and doesn't even broadly apply to the European continent doesn't make them retarded, quite the opposite you low-functioning sperglord.
Hudson Jenkins
>Most massive predators in our world died out because there's not enough large prey in enough quantities for them.
The blue whale is the largest predator and largest animal ever known to have existed and it’s alive today. It also dwarfs most depictions of dragons or wyverns. Most recent large fauna died out because of humans hunting them + relatively rapid climate change over the past few hundred thousand years and they’re much more susceptible to changes in the environment.
I’m not saying dragons or wyverns are realistic in how they’re generally portrayed but I do think the 4 legs + 2 wings version takes it to whole other level.
Brody Edwards
Everything is a cool option except for Manta. Who the fuck would actually want to be a manta dragon lmao.
Jace Sullivan
>The blue whale is the largest predator and largest animal ever known to have existed and it’s alive today.
It's also in the water and therefore ignores the main issues presented with the square cube law.
Jack Wright
>game features wyverns
>with a sultry milf librarian voice
what did they mean by this
Aaron Sullivan
Some autist decided to force the meme that if a dragon has only two legs it's a wyvern because that's how dungeons and dragons define it, because for some reason the autist in question believes dungeons and dragons is the authority on what is and what isn't a dragon.
David Hughes
Linking to that boring douchebag is not making your point. The google top result uses a dictionary definition, and when you argue from the dictionary's authority with regards to fantasy; you're being an idiot. Are they dragons in Skyrim? Yes. Because in the Elder Scrolls universe, apparently Dragons have two legs, but that is bothersome to a lot of people and rightfully so. So if you're fine with it, cool, but it would've been nice to see the distinction. We kind of have an agreement that if you're going to go the route of tolkienesque high fantasy then you generally follow a few tropes. You can obviously take as many liberties as you want, but I can be bugged by it. Dwarves being a type of Elf or "mer" in Elder Scrolls doesn't bother me, because they pulled it off well. But Elder Scrolls' Dragons are stupid; they aren't interesting, they're all fucktarded and easily beaten and on top of that; don't follow their own rules or lore and are being shoehorned now into the 2nd era with this new ESO chapter.
Kayden Adams
some dragons have no legs though what are those ones called?
Tyler Cruz
Here's your dragon bro
Bentley Jones
>"Dragon" is just a catch-all slapped on a creature, if the people who discovered it couldn't bother coming up with how to classify it
Being a term autistic biologist in Monster Hunter universe must suck real hard. A lot of them follow the 6 limb rule, but you've also got things like Kirin, Yama Tsukami, the Mohrans etc. And then there's Gore Magala, which despite having 6 limbs spent most of the game without classification until after it turned to Shagaru, everyone decided "yep, that's a dragon".
Jose Taylor
wyrms if they're western but eastern dragons are just called dragons
Brayden Lewis
no a wyrm is a word in high fantasy reserved for like the elder dragons and look anatomically like dragons... A dragon with no legs is usually called a serpent.
Matthew Carter
Basically, take an average wyvern/dragon, and then enlarge its wings to 3x what they are and make it much thinner and with weaker bones. That's how fucking unwieldy that shit will be and look in order to actually fly by the rules of physics and realism, and the second you take out its wings or hit it with much of anything, it's going to crumple like a piece of paper so no ground phase boss fight for you. Also, enjoy said wyvern having to eat and shit constantly because it needs a metabolism equal or greater than a bird's to power a firebreathing, smart large body of that size.
Brody Hernandez
Turns out if you are in the ocean you don't have to worry about gravity killing you since the water provides buoyancy lololol
Austin Evans
HEGRID!!!
YER PUSHIN ME OVER THE FUCKIN LINE!
Isaiah Morris
That's a wyrm.
Jeremiah Anderson
The blue whale example was referring to the bit about there not being enough food to support a large predator (you know.. the bit that’s quoted, you mongoloids)
As far as the square cubed - there have been massive vertebrates larger than most depictions of dragons such as the sauropods. They didn’t fly, though.
Eli Martin
Like that means jack shit. There are more important things that define a dragon than having 2 stupid extra arms.
Gabriel Reyes
>Also, enjoy said wyvern having to eat and shit constantly because it needs a metabolism equal or greater than a bird's to power a firebreathing, smart large body of that size.
Eh, something that large would almost certainly spend most of its time gliding and using thermal updrafts (like large birds) which is actually pretty energy efficient. Now what type of energy firebreathing would take - who knows. I guess the closest approximation or analog to real world animals would be the bombardier beetle’s chemicals but I have no idea what type of energy or metabolic sink those are to produce.
Samuel Sanchez
post the bingo
Brayden Carter
4 legs good, 2 legs bad.
Lucas Cooper
>when you argue from the dictionary's authority with regards to fantasy; you're being an idiot
No, when you argue with D&D's authority in regards to all fantasy you're being a demented nigger.
>Are they dragons in Skyrim? Yes
And they are dragons by definition as well. Yes.
>but that is bothersome to a lot of people
No it's bothersome only to very small amount of vocal retards that hail from reddit. Most people don't give a shit. Normies especially do not give a single shit. Look at Smaug in Desolation of Smaug, Skyrim dragons and GoT dragons. Nobody gives a shit. Just some lonely incels that get off by going "AKKCHUALLY".
>But Elder Scrolls' Dragons are stupid; they aren't interesting, they're all fucktarded and easily beaten and on top of that
They're beating easily because gameplay mechanics of Skyrim are shallow. In reality dragons in TES are executed nicely from a lore perspective. They all talk and act proud. They're all mythic and connected to a literal god. They were all worshiped and had their own warrior orders and cults. They're all demigods that can only be killed by ripping their souls out etc.
>and are being shoehorned now into the 2nd era with this new ESO chapter
I don't play or care about ESO but dragons appearing in the 2nd era is totally fine. I heard that there's only like a few of them in ESO which makes sense. They existed from the merethic era and some survived the Nordic/Kyn uprising.
You're just outing yourself as a lorelet bitch since Nafaalilargus was alive and active in the 2nd era, serving Tiber Septim directly. Mirmulnir also survived and was last recorded being alive in the 2nd era 212. Same with Ahbiilok. There was also Dragonne Papré that only died in the 3rd era.
Mason Ortiz
4 legged dragons are so much more badass than wyverns, they can use their front legs as weapons instead of just hovering in the air. I don't know why game devs have made this decision too make wyverns instead of classical western fantasy dragons. It really disappointing too me seeing the long standing classic tradition of Dragons of mythology being downgraded too weak Wyverns who if their wings get fucked up they are dead, a dragon would still be able too get around and defend itself.
Landon Davis
> Look at Smaug in Desolation of Smaug, Skyrim dragons and GoT dragons
Not Dragons, these are Wyverns
Jaxon Thomas
Smaug has 4 legs in the book you movie shitters
Gabriel Brown
Wyverns are just the type of dragons idiot
Nicholas Cooper
Imagine actually making such post
Leo Gutierrez
this
John Young
>Dragons have 4 legs and 2 wings
Tolkien disagrees