Buy Vita for persona 4

>complains about grinding in a mega tensei game

Are you fucking serious? Nobody should ever have trouble with any part of P4 until you reach Mitsuo's dungeon.

Just play them on a PS2 emulator OP, you can use save states instead. The game has so much bullshit, it honestly isn't worth the effort. If you think Yukiko is bad just you wait till half the enemies on the floor can one shot you 10 steps away from the next save checkpoint.

Yes? What are you getting at here? That people can't complain about unacceptable nonsense?

Haven't played P4 yet; just P3. Is there anything in P4 as bullshit as the Tartarus floor bosses in P3? Specifically the tables?

Story and characters stay shit, you're missing nothing. Also holy shit you must suck at games P4 is the most embarrassingly easy megaten game fucking ever. Anyway, play P3 or P5. Both are better for various reasons.

You're not supposed to grind much in Shin Megami Tensei games like Persona 4. If you're losing to an attack, fuse a persona that resists the attack, and which can attack the shadows giving you trouble super-effectively. Simple as that. Unlike something like pokemon, it's a bad sign if you're sticking with the same personas and trying to level them to win, pretty much universally.

Don't listen to this guy. Even though I agree with his tastes, a lot of fucking people like persona 4 better than 3 and 5.

>persona
>difficult
I bet you play Kingdom Hearts on easy.

Yeah, the tables are back. There are plenty of enemies that can 100% party wipe you if the MC has a persona with an exploitable weakness equipped. They just kill you on the first turn.

Hell yeah there is.

For some strange reason P5Toddlers crash into the fandom swinging at P4 like a retarded insane animal that escaped captivity.
It must be because P3 was packaged with them together in a dancing game which somehow makes P4 the black sheep out of the trio for some reason

Not the OP, but weirdly enough I can get through several hundred ranks of Monster Hunter or Dark Souls easily enough, I job in Kingdom Hearts 1 on Final Mix and I don't know fucking why

>weirdly enough I can get through several hundred ranks of Monster Hunter or Dark Souls easily enough
Well no shit both of those games are as slow paced as a grandma who needs a new hip. Everything spends an eternity telegraphing before it does something. Even the smoothest brain can finish them.

I'm pretty sure it's just because the bright small-town vibe of persona 4 contrasts with the rest of the franchise, which makes gritty=good faggots hate it for the same reason they despise high school girls taking selfies and refuse to call babies cute. They habitually shun the light.

fucking how, it's so easy to level up that eventually I was actively avoiding golden hands because they kept appearing everywhere

I find Dark Souls to be harder than DMC to be harder than MonHun to be harder than KH.

>thinking p4 is hard
easiest of all the persona games lmfao. might aswell give up jrpgs. dont even THIKN about getting into smt

Are you saying there are Hack n' Slashes where the enemies don't telegraph at all?

I actually think Shadow Yukiko is the most difficult boss in the game by a fair margin, simply because there are so few options available to you at that point. She's genuinely hard to deal with if you're playing on a higher difficulty and aren't grinding.

I don't think there's anything on par with P3's version of Sleeping Table.

>harder than MonHun
For the record, are you guys talking about, like, high-rank, or post G Apex shit? Or did you guys play World?

How the fuck do you fail at P4? it's honestly just a fucking dating game, there is no challenge in any dungeon, try playing persona 1 and 2 or any smt, by the time you get back to 4 you will have no problem with anything

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Haven't played World. Comparing:
>Most of Dark Souls' main game, as far as I've played
>DMC3 and 4's Hard Mode
>MH3U, 4U, and Gen's High Rank
>KH1FM, 2FM, and BBS's Critical Mode

>waaaa waaa p5 p5
Persona 4 is a bad game, quit scapegoating.

P1, P2:IS, SMT1, and SMT2 are all easier than P4, even on just the default difficulty.

>Like clockwork the P5baby comes
You guys make it too easy

5 hours in Persona 4 is nothing, you can fastforward through the cutscenes and you'll be there in no time.

Also there's a very easy mode for people who are having problems with the game's difficulty, and you can change the difficulty anytime you want from the options.

>h-haha baited, totally didn't just write a seething vitriolic paragraph about p5 babbies or anything
how are you actually so mad that your anonymous posts are completely recognizable no matter what thread you're in

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So this is the power of a zoomer P5 faggot? Are you chasing people that say negative things about your favorite game across multiple threads thinking they're the same person?
JUST

Late, but comparing MH high rank to other game's hard difficulties is unfair. The only way to reach the "hard mode" in MH is to get to the end of the multiplayer-exclusive difficulty, and even then the difficulty of the series only starts once you're on post-G stuff. Maybe you already know this and still don't think it's relatively hard, but meh.
After clearing DS3, I think it was only harder than MH in that you have no time to practice before you're forced to restart, in addition to locking the real difficulty of some boss fights behind time-wasting first phases, which felt like fake difficulty to me.

I didn't say anything like that. I'm saying that the ones he described have extremely long telegraphs to the point that if anything actually hits you it's because you have the reflexes of a slug.

Persona part supremacists are like Jojo partsfaggers. They don't realize that they were all made by the same people with increasing levels of skill, and that the one they think is shit just happened not to suit their tastes. It's hard to think of many ways P3 was objectively better than P4.

In Monster Hunter, it really depends how high ranked you are, and whether it's a G-rank/ultimate game or not. But that being said, what are you contrasting DS and MH with, because it does sound like you're saying there are at least less telegraphed Hack n Slashes. I'm not trying to put you on the spot, I'm just curious because I'd be interested in something faster-paced..

I think P3 uses and understands tone and imagery better than P4. Gameplay it's not much of a contest, but P4 is only marginally better. P5 on the other hand utterly blows P4 out of the water as a game.

>I'm just curious because I'd be interested in something faster-paced..
DMC crank up the difficulty and enemies attack faster and even get devil triggers.

IDK, I think the more annoying members of the respective main parties were more bearable in 4, which is a huge part of the game, although they aren't great in either. Ryuji seems like a stereotype of Yosuke, for example.

I'm sorry user you just have to accept part 6 a shit.

I played the first one on PSnow, but the forced camera shifts during boss battles and ambushes were unbearable. Can I skip it, or is it particularly consequential to the story?

>People actually struggle with persona 4
Are you the same people that think pokemon is difficult and want a sekiro easy mode?

I thought Ryuji seemed like a strict upgrade to Yosuke, he actually seems like a friend instead of the asshole in the group that I barely put up with. Morgana on the other hand is unbearable though. Teddie was great, especially in comparison to him. And of course Akechi is just a shitty Adachi expy and may be the worst executed character in the series, I refuse to defend him.

It was better written than the preceding parts in its best moments, it just dragged like a motherfucker. Part 7 is objectively the best written, though. The characterization of the protagonists and subtlety of it are leagues beyond anything preceding it. It's because Araki studies and practices like a motherfucker and refuses to get complacent, which makes degradation more more difficult than in most other manga, where it's usually somewhat inevitable.

>DMC
>story
Not important. If you like cheesy dialogue then just turn off your brain and enjoy what is essentially fiction written by an edgy 13yo. Otherwise skip the story stuff and enjoy the combat.

Every DMC plays differently. either pick up 3 or just start with 5. 5 is closest to what you're describing with faster paced hack'n'slash and at higher difficulties enemies will 1 or 2 shot you if you fuck up. But you have so much mobility and so many ways to avoid damage like learning to stay suspended in the air indefinitely/learning about combo invincibility frames/learning to use trickster mode to teleport behind enemies and shit like that.

kk, thanks
I didn't like that Ryuji's characterization was headstrong retard. He's flatter than Soejima's asses.

It introduces Trish, and explains what happened to one of the characters at the end of 3.

Oh, and did you guys play Final Fantasy XV? The combat system seems interesting, but is it challenging and well-integrated?

These are people that picked charmander, fought Brock with only charmander, and quit because the game was "too hard."

No it wasn't part 6 was too ridiculous and the cast was boring too. Jolyne was a pretty shot MC. 5 was leagues better just because it had a amazing fights and a great cast. Bruno was better MC too(cause let's face it giorno was trash and barely did anything untill the end). I agree with what you said about 7 though I think it's the best too, it's so much better than the preceding parts. Johnny and Gyro has been his most developed MCs so far. Part 8 is dragging imo , it's getting kinda boring

KK. I'll try and get into it again, and if I can't watch one of those cutscene movies on youtube.

is there even a more accessible smt or persona game than p4? i think you done fucked up op

>but is it challenging and well-integrated?
Jesus christ no. The combat is 1 button and at most you just time the button presses.

>play until Yukiko's dungeon
>get stuck
How did you even manage that? You beat the fucking King shadow that crits like crazy, but got stuck on a super easy boss with obvious elemental weakness while having at least one character able to exploit it. I call bullshit.

IDK, I liked Jolyne plenty and, needless to say, much better than Giorno, and to bail him out because he's so bad he supposedly doesn't qualify is more telling than anything. But yeah, I agree that Part 8 feels drag-y. I put it on hold around when the midget with the lego set stand appeared, but the characters' long-term goals seem vague, which makes anything that happens in the story seem pretty inconsequential. Which would be fine if it was slice-of-life like part four, but it put all its eggs in the suspense basket this time around.