Tobyfox started game hacking/modding and composing music when he was only 15. He's made Undertale which has gone on to be one of the most memorable and successful Indie games worldwide. He's going to do it again with Deltarune. His friend and artist for Undertale, Temmie Chang, made a small 20 minute game as a set up for something much bigger in the future.
Why haven't you made something yet Yea Forums? If some teenagers/young adults can do it, why can't you? What's stopping you?
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even if you dislike his game not everyone is motivated or talented
what was the point in making this thread? to make everyone feel bad?
asshole
wow, hormones really work I guess
Work sucks.
Anyone played temmie's game?
How is it?
I don't care about making videogames, I just love playing them.
This. I'm fine with making the ideas but fuck off if you think i'm gonna actually put in the effort.
why does he look like young yanderedev in this pic?
I'm not a furry so my game won't sell.
I dont want to make cheap 2D pretentious indie shit
I know.
It's kinda depressing and empty but the cutscene animation/art is amazing.
the art is cute, but that's to be expected.
I didn't know Temmie had a game. I'll check it out.
Utterly forgettable.
I'd still play a full version though.
Because I've never had the desire to make a videogame.
Whatever happened to that shitty OELVN that Toby was going to do the soundtrack for?
This
Dude just ripped off Andrew Hussie's style. In my opinion his only original talent is his music.
I wouldn't know where to begin. Theres a bunch of programming languages and engines and I can't wrap my mind around which to start with.
Man halfies are cute
Fuck off back to rebbit you mong
>Dude just ripped off Andrew Hussie's style.
Explain.
You made me hear it you cheeky cunt
I want to make something that isn't a sprite game
I'm gonna make my game. I'll begin sometime this week. I really will!
And by this time next week, I'll have a little bit of code!
There's a reason most one-man 3D art projects don't work out user
I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, nor had I friends to leech off of and imitate.
Is the thing on the right a tranny?
>one of the thousands of indie pixelshit games just happened to get extremely lucky
>anyone can do it!
That's not how it works, user.
However you are enormously bitter, that's something
I just noticed Deltarune dld a new update. Any new content or just patches?
If thats what you need to feel better about your own life, than hey, more power to you
No. Tem's 100% woman.
It can't possibly have anything to do with the fact that it was a good game?
>Get lucky
Its more like he already had a following due to something completely unrelated that was willing to eat up anything he shit out.
Deffo a tranny
Is that really Toby in the pic?
>Why haven't you made something yet Yea Forums?
I've been making shit since I was like 10 and my brother first taught me how to use QuArK for making Half-Life maps.
>What's stopping you?
Laziness, high standards, and mild perfectionism. I only want to create something I myself would enjoy playing, and if something doesn't come out the way I want it, rather than settling on something mediocre I just abandon the entire thing.
Unless you are a damn good artist, generally modelling stuff is way faster and easier than drawing sprites. Well maybe not Undertale tier art.
I'm worried that if I actually put any effort into it, people won't like it and I'll end up creating a YIIK.
I learned how to suck my own dick at age 15 so I'd say I'm the true winner here
I am. I'm relatively successful. It's a bit dull, but I can't complain. All on my own.
That's a huge assumption to make for simple criticism.
The art and the atmosphere are really nice, but it's basically just a tech demo. Also, temmie literally doesn't know when to use "its" and "it's."
god temmie is cute
When the light is running low
And the shadows start to grow
And the places that you know
Seem like fantasy
There's a light inside your soul
That’s still shining in the cold
With the truth
The promise in our hearts
Don't forget
I'm with you in the dark
How? She's the most feminine looking creature Toby's been associated with.
>learned
To have learned something implies someone taught you, who taught you user?
Many Yea Forumsirgins are obsessed with trannies these days and think they are seeing them everywhere. Rent free etc
I did make a game though user. Its called Minecraft.
Fuck Undertale, fuck Toby Fox, and fuck you.
Kek. Undertale had an artist? I thought it was all programmer art.
Well, I guess GameMaker drag-and-drop art in Undertale's case.
Hi notch can I have some money
Toby used hussies style better than him.
He may be wildly successful but he is a definite autist. youtube.com
Go to bed, Notch.
Yea Forums has high standards and is obsessed with trannies
This, the Undertale guy looks like he comes from money. Parents were able to afford music lessons or music programs. If you're not born rich, you can't be great.
Tell that to the Cuphead devs.
Yeah, I recognize that weasely muditerranean face anywhere
Notch probably would be a lurker until someone actually insults him. And he'd probably only reply "fuck you".
Yep.
Here's what the actual programmer art looked like.
But it's not a good game? At least from a gameplay perspective. It's just kinda quirky fun ala Earthbound.
Hey notch, don't you have twitter posts to make about how you are oh-so-lonely in your giant ass mansion?
So no difference?
I'm 21 and i'm making a living in my country's army reserve.
So, I pretty much get paid for playing games on my phone.
Also, I rather go grab a gun and shoot myself than working developing videogames.
>Hussie's style
Are you retarded? Toby Fox and Andrew Hussie have wildly different styles. Just because they both like wacky jokes and meta shit doesn't mean that.
Because not everyone has the same motivations, level of drive, or interests/skill. I mean Mozart was making symphonies before his teens, and Tolkien had invented languages by the time he was in his 20s, why haven't you?
>modelling stuff is way easier
I'm not being Yea Forums-tier sarcastic, I just know nothing about making games. If that's true then why do I see rarely any 3D indie games and a ton of sprite/2D indie games?
souce?
That guy is on drugs. Modeling anything passable is way harder than sprites.
3D is only cheaper and easier for pros and studios, that's why there have only been like 3 high profile games that have pixel art in the last 2 decades.
It's actually the opposite for indie devs.
>anyone who does not look like The Perfect Woman is a tranny
Rent free.
The bell curve looks something like this in order of difficulty
>basic 2D > basic 3D > decent 3D > good 3D > good 2D > professional 2D > professional 3D
the barrier of entry to make "passable" 3D art is extremely low and most importantly, requires very little artistic talent.
Undertale art book.
The only tool you need to be a good artist
I'm not creative enough to come up with story and gameplay elements.
I'm learning C#
whenever I feel comfortable withi C# I'll try to direct it to videogames
the problem is every tutorial I find is too messy and leaving too many things unexplained
How do you even begin making games? Did Toby make Undertale by himself?
Speaking of which. Asriel canonically has a fanboy hard-on for edgelord characters. No wonder all his attack moves had over-the-top names. What a dweeb.
please tell me thats a tranny
The internet of course. It's all about your core strength
>Link in a link
Yes. Toby made Undertale almost entirely by himself, with exception to a small portion of the art.
>Undertale had an artist?
It had seven, eight if you count Toby.
Step 1: Write Fizz Buzz
Step 2: Write the rest of the fucking program
Tem's not a god damn tranny jesus fuck.
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Does she sound masculine to you?
3D indie games are probably the norm these days.
That said, I think it's mainly just because it seems more intimidating at first glance. Everyone knows how to make a doodle in paint, with Blender you at least have to read/watch a few tutorials and spend some time getting to know the program before you can shit something out.
That and game design, I think many newer devs are also a bit scared of what it means to develop a 3D game over a 2D one. 2D is just a bit more easier to grasp at first glance.
What is hard and makes modeling take a long time is unwrapping and texturing. Remove that aspect and it's a breeze. It's why so many indie games kinda look like this these days. It's the 3D version of pixelshit.
>Tobyfox started game hacking/modding and composing music when he was only 15
yeah that's pretty late in life to begin that, about 50% older than most that do
no matter how old you are, it's never too late to start, huh
What a fucking qt holy shit, cant believe toby gets to fuck her every night
Andrew, I can't and won't make this any simpler for you.
You failed at life. You failed. When one thinks of what man is capable of, pushing himself to the limits physically, mentally and emotionally to achieve heights of success never before mentioned, your name will not be whispered in the same, reverent fashion that others have.
Nobody will remember Andrew Hussie. You aren't even a header or a footer in the career of someone else. You are nobody. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
In short, you are an enormous failure.
Andrew, being that you're about 35 years old and your brain has probably hard-wired itself to accept such failures by now and write off such criticism by being "flippant", really suggests that you've passed beyond the proverbial breaking-point. There's no turning back. This is your career, this is what defines you and this is what you'll defend to the end.
The abhorrent failure that is MS Paint Comics, Andrew Hussie, that is your legacy.
Maybe I'm over-reaching, however. Who knows? People CAN change. Maybe you'll read this, Andrew, and think long and hard about what a wasteful life you've led. Maybe you'll think, "wow. It's incredible just how abysmal and pathetic I really AM!" Maybe you'll lift some weights in the morning. Maybe you'll take a self-help class.
Maybe in a couple of years, Andrew, you'll have learned from this failure. I doubt it, though.
I genuinely doubt it.
Now excuse me, I have to work on Undertale 2. My accountant estimates over sixty million dollars in sales.
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I dunno OP, I'm sure I could make something better than undertale, but I don't feel confident on my skills, so I better practice a couple years more.
I'm sure if I try hard enough I'll make something that looks professional.
Kill yourself immediately
How can toby compete?
Damn how long did he train his voice to do that?
Yikes he ugly
By making a better game.
You're just shitposting now aren't you
>His friend and artist for Undertale, Temmie Chang
this is why, I have friends but I would never trust anyone I know with making my vision work or even trust those I didnt meet irl in general at this point
by not being a huge sjw retard
poor thing, he was based, but when he lost his father he turned completely crazy
Okay but how can he realistically compete?
Unironically good for you dude
is this nigga white, jewish, mexican, or indian? I cannot tell.
Austin is a self-hating, own-tweet-liking bitch.
depressing
Because anything I would want to make would need a team and a budget. I wouldn't want to make a game I'm not interested in, and nothing I could do alone would be a game that interests me even if I had the required skillset
I would unironically be a genious designer that also understands practicality and could axe Molyneux-tier idea man nonsense that would never work out, but there's simply no possible way for me to ever make it to a position like that. No nepotistic "connections", no game design meme degree, no nothing.
temmie looks really cute.
Because toby got lucky composing for homestuck which is the only reason people initially paid attention to undertale
Don't tell me that Bowman in the middle is unintentional.
because I'm lazy and retarded.
See, you'd think Austin's the chad and Toby Fox is the basedboy based on their appearances.
But Austin's a SJW leftist dipshit, and Toby's based and doesn't rant about politics and gender on the internet.
he's based
Temmie's art looks great, why 95% of undertale looks like shit?
>Also, temmie literally doesn't know when to use "its" and "it's."
Oh nooooooo this is a huge fucking pet peeve for me. This is almost bad as people legitimately not knowing the your/you're stuff
*basedboy, not basedboy.
Goddammit my brain is fried.
>But it's not a good game?
Yeah it is. From a gameplay perspective, anyhow.
Honestly, if you're going to make an text-based game, you should make an effort to study these things. Oh wait, tem has a cooleg degree. Wait, she got it in America, so it doesn't count.
>2d pixelshit
that's why. it doesn't take much effort to make pixeltrash tumblr sprites like toby cocks did. he has no talent as anything but a composer and took the easy way out when it came to making a game. typical indiescum.
but he clearly said TOBY RADIATION FOX HERE
It's and its aside. That's just a horribly written sentence all around.
Yeah no.
2d pixelshit is why YOU haven't made anything? That's what's stopping you?
>an text
if you're going to complain about typos, don't make one you fucking retard
I don't want to program games. It's not my profession of choice. I am a logical thinker, not an imaginative one.
>tfw Undertale is the post-scratch Deltarune
i was too used to yanki and stuff
It has much worse, non-standard English in it, which makes it sound really unprofessional. This is an area she needs to improve a lot, but hey, at least she's trying, I hope she'll bring her game to completion.
>hurr durr posting on a chinese cartoon forum is the same as releasing a gaem
I'm not creative.
Because I'm lazy and would prefer to spend my time playing videogames and reading garbage on Yea Forums.
I actually am working on a game, but I don't expect it to ever be even remotely popular and will probably take years to complete given how slowly I'm developing it.
you can't even understand that I wasn't comparing
what an absolute mess of a person
Every thing I see involving this dev or his game just makes my resolve to never play LISA stronger.
alright Yea Forums i need your help seeing as this is an e-celeb thread. i'm looking for a particular e-celeb. he was black, had a bunch of weebshit posters in the background, and always used consolewar wojaks in his thumbnails. i think his name had an animal in it. does anyone know who he is?
>tfw proficient in 3ds max, Maya, UE4 and C#
>tfw have ~20 unfinished games in the pipeline
>tfw probably wont finish any of them
elrubiusomg
no not him. he was kinda dark skinned and had a buzzcut
cringe
>UE4 and C#
Isn't that counter productive?
Toby's not a furry either, he just panders to them to make shitloads of money because he knows they're either high functioning autists with poor impulse control and high paying jobs or low functioning autists with poor impulse control living off NEETbux.
exploiting the furry market is probably the best move you can make as an Indi developer because all you need is one moderately attractive furbait character and you'll get an assload of free publicity from porn.
and then if that porn becomes mainstream then the deviants making up Yea Forums and other game forums will latch onto it and obsess about it and make threads about it and people will ask about it and now your furbait is waifu of the month and you get even more autists learning about your game.
of course you have to make sure your game is good, you don't have the money to marketing away your problems unlike a big corp.
What if I told you LISA has a black character who is accompanied by a monkey sound effect? Austin truly changed AFTER making an amazing no fucks given game.
/vermins/ will forever seethe about toby Chad
You think he regrets making it?
you can be great but its fucking hard and requires you to get a break.
while theres a million other creatives just as talented waiting for the same break.
you may as well play the lottery.
How Anime Art is done in a nutshell.
>Toby lives and Japan and gets to fuck nip puss everyday
Based as fuck
>simple criticism
Seemed a good bit more bitter than simple criticism
learnt c# many years ago as a teen at home because I got bashed at school
One of my first real jobs was developing on the merkury engine
i'm not good with art (drawing I mean).
Temmie will be achieving the same way he did soon. I'm proud of her.
>Toby lives in Japan
source
damn did someone CUM in her eye??
uuughhh I wish that were me
I don't think he does. But he can travel there whenever he feels like it
I'm to stoopid to code and whatever.
When you have like 3 million in the bank you can do whatever you want. Also speaking of Japan...
yes
>just do it bro, it worked for me
Yawn
>date: April 1
>Toby Fox's favourite 2hu character was Ran
WTF I love Undertale now.
ZerOranger is better than any game I could ever make and that game gets zero attention despite being a masterpiece.
If I put enough effort to making a great game and it ended up being ignored for reasons I can't imagine then I would kill myself.
Because i’m retarded.
Does that awnser your question?
I have no money to get the resources that I need ( a fucking decent pc) , the minimum wage were I live fucking 300 $ per month
Toby is whatever you want him to be
you don't need a decent pc to make a videogame
I don't want to.
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I made this on a fucking 2009 toaster.
This was made on lubuntu using godot engine with LMMS, GIMP, Krita, Blender, Audacity, all free and open source.
My specs were a geforce 210, 4GB Ram, and a dual core e8500.
>hispachan
You have to go back.
Tem tem is precious.
this looks like something from light fingers
Even a dog?
Holy shit dude keep it in your pants.
Okay why is my thread being saged? Fuck you mods.
it is harder, depending on the look you're going for tho. artistic principles transfer well between the 2, but the pipeline is MUCH more technically demanding for 3d. with 2d all the technical stuff is in whatever design tool you use like gimp or photoshop. with 3d you need to know the modelling tool and you also need to know about topology, UV mapping and texturing, shaders (may require glsl programming if you want a specific look), lighting, weighting, rigging, getting whatever you made into the game engine and working properly. pros that go 3d also tend to go for high fidelity, since the only way to do 3d simply is low poly (memepoly or retro 3d) whereas with 2d pixel art is very acceptable to most and vector art has its place sometimes too.
chances are if you see a 3d indie game, especially a one-man game, its probably retro 3d (ex. DUSK, Devil Daggers, Yo Noid 2) or memepoly
It really all comes down to money and experience.
It is kind of impressive Fox didn't fall into the politics hole given how much it overwhelms the indie scene and especially his fanbase.
Actually, thinking about it, his fanbase probably pushed him more conservative.
nvm it was just going slow. my bad.
>Toby Fox vs Yoko Taro
What were they competing in?
My laptop ( I don't have a desktop pc) doesn't even have a graphic video card, I was planing on making a 2D game anyways but I don't know a good software that I can use on a toaster, I just know unity, I don't want to invest time in a software that my pc is not going to be able to handle by my laptop so I don't know if unity is OK?.
btw where do you live?
Being a bigger hack.
jk
why does everyone hate the idea that this kid is a hack that stole hussie's dialogue writing style
>Why haven't you made something yet Yea Forums? If some teenagers/young adults can do it, why can't you? What's stopping you?
Because I don't want to and I am not autistic enough. I am more into educating and studying than game devlopment.
if your opengl is 2.1 you can still run godot engine, blender 2.7, GIMP and LMMS and run it on lubuntu.
there's no excuses bro.
t. thirld world toaster dev.
Explain. And don't say "reddit sense of humor".
I never get this pasta. Toby lived in Hussie's basement for a few years. They're bros
And it fucking sucks. Go figure.
>I actually finished the entire demo before I replaced them
Actually not a bad idea.
Does Hussie even speak to Toby anymore?
>Why haven't you made something yet Yea Forums?
I'm working on it. Making a visual novel takes time.
Only one remained, two if you count God.
Never knew she was some FoB bitch.
I'm a published author. I really think I can pull off a decent book if I work hard at it.
>has experience with games since 15
>the best thing he has done so far is a furry bait "game" with shallow characters/plot/gameplay and the most "unique" thing about it is the 4th wall breaking shit that anyone can do
Imagine actually thinking Undertale is an "amazing" game. Truly, it's a sad time for vidya games.
fuck yeah she is
Undyne is so fucking hot when she gets violent.
It's the smartest thing to do. Dude's a game dev, no one's really itching to hear his political opinions
I just don't have any real ideas. I tried to make a text adventure game last year about a black girl living with her younger sister and the ups and downs of her life over the period of one month and I just really couldn't get it going. I had problems with certain character arcs, certain aspects of this and that. I'm trying to take up drawing, but I'm fearful that will be a bust, too. I just really wanna get into voice acting more than anything, but these days to stand out from those voice.com sites that catalogue actors you gotta do some WACKY fucking shit. It's all a shitshow. Just gonna play music 'till I die.
Undyne is so fucking hot redacted
Fixed for you
fucking BASED
The whole world disagrees with you.
Because I have no interest in making videogames, you fucking chimp
>replies with anime pic
>he doesn't know that Japan is head-over-heels infatuated with Undertale more than the west
the state of seething weebs
>Toby is my age
>he is already a famous videogame director and im unemployed
its a joke, more or less poking fun at how hussie handled his own project terribly
>undertale
>better than LISA
kek
>implying everyone likes that shitty excuse of a game
Yeah nah. Only mentally challenged people, aka furryfags.
>no argument
>attacks anime like it even matters
Stay mad retard.
my absolute state of a normalfag friend who only plays LoL likes undertale
Because I keep iterating on my Vulkan renderer and don't really have any good game ideas. I have a hard time doing work with no clear plan and goal.
the fuck does that mean
Seethe fucking harder.
I WANNA FUCK IN GAME AND REAL LIFE TEMMIE
>Undertale
Forgotten and dead, like it should be.
You had your time, depressed teens. Now do as nature intended and off yourselves already.
I'm basically one of Mexico's stepbrothers
why would you post vox shit? lmao
¿Qué cojones hace esto aquí?
Austin is such a fucking alpha Nordic martial artist-chad, I don't even know what race Toby is supposed to be.
He already said his next game is more fucked up than LISA The Painful
>¿
cringe desu
>money and normalfag opinions as measures of quality
I'm not even the other guy but your arguments are flawed as fuck and literally something mentally 10 year olds would spout
CentroAmerica? Nicaragua?
You're right, Undertale is finished.
Deltarune is the new gig.
is temmie a tranny
Lel
Did Toby really meet Zun? What the fuck
he said only furries like undertale and i said the normalfag likes undertale
Jesus no homo but fuck Austin is handsome.
Can also fight and makes actual good indie games.
I just realized this, but I bet a lot of people just like Toby Fox because they relate more to him.
Ugly furry faggot with shitty humor and a face screaming how much he wants to kill himself.
Pretty much like 99% of his fanbase.
if they aren't dating by now then there's some serious roadblocks going on that ruin it for me
zero chemistry is zero drama, which is zero interest for me
I'm not driven nor am I autistic enough.
who is the girl in the right
Toby is just pure and so innocent bet he's saving him self till he gets married
austin seems like a really cool dude from his interviews desu, toby comes off as autistic and weird. also, LISA is so much more interesting
>nips and third-world country folks who played undertale are suddenly "normalfags".
Whose opinions on Undertale matter more then?
The girl you work with isn't necessarily the girl you'll fall in love with, user
the biggest roadblock is myself; I think if I made a game, nobody would care or play it and my years of work would have gone to waste. the second biggest roadblock is art because I can't draw for SHIT
t. coping with not having millions and a franchise that prints money without you having to do anything with it
the rumor was that he liked magnolia porter, who worked on undertale, but she ended up hooking up and marrying someone else
I did. It was bittersweet.
fuck off austin
That's Temmie Chang.
No. She's a real woman.
There's way too much stuff that goes into it to feel worth it at the end of the day. Amassing a team of retards that you have to manage not to mention coding and debugging the fucking game, while at the end of the day making it playable and unique enough so that people will remember it. It's much easier to be an add-on to a team than be the fucking ringmaster.
>Undertale
>game
Please. No one can prove to me that thing is a game. And just because it sold well doesn't mean it's good.
Marvel movies makes a lot of money. Does it mean they are good? No, the answer is no.
The actual game doesn't look a whole lot better.
Fuck off, Temmie.
>Waaaahhhh, it takes effort!!!
Pathetic.
You have to start young, late teens at the latest. You have to acquire the skills (drawing, programming, composing, etc) before you hit your 20s. When I realized I wanted to make games it was already too late for me (mid 20s) and had none of the skills required, it gets a lot harder and slower to learn the older you are. Lets say I start learning now in my mid 20s: Even if I practice for years until I get good enough to make a passable game, it will still pale in comparison to something made by someone who's been doing this since their teens or childhood. "It's never the late to start" is a meme
Did you play it?
>Temmie
Somebody post the vocaroo...
They just had a chat and it was published in Famitsu.
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parroting shit you've heard on Yea Forums does the opposite of make you look smart
toby fags are cancer and like to shit on homestuck because it came first.
imagine being this guy.
Tuyoki is her real name. She's likely Asian American.
more like
eat shit you colossal nigger
samefagging doesn't help your argument that this pile of onions is a game
yikes
wtf I didnt type onions I typed onions
waaa more (You)s
>autistic girl blogs about learning basic rpg maker
>gets infinite attention
yawn
I wanna pinch her cheeks.
1 year bois
Why do you type like a redditor faggot?
calling someone a failure in life is not poking fun.
i wish i was a cute autistic girl
Lmao wrong pic but you get the idea
>Says the nigger who is unwilling to put in the effort.
>MOMMY, WHY ISN'T IT EASY!?!?!?
Pathetic
More like Temmie eggroll.
For anyone who needs a rundown on Austin
>dated a girl who was sexually abused by her dad
>wouldn’t put out, he got frustrated
>maybe a shitty Yume Nikki rip-off about sexual abuse for good boy points
>she wouldn’t put out
>changed his awesome game about getting revenge in a post apocalyptic world into save the poor pure girl for more good boy points
>she dumps him
>he gets upset
>tumblr finds and plants the see that white men are all the blame for it
>he swallows the cuck pill hard
>his dad, who he actually really loved and respected, dies
>the cognitive dissonance of hating all men but loving his father shatters his brain
>he goes full retard and curses his gender and race
>not even tumblr wants him
>disappears, while still working on a game about gay ninjas
>learns absolutely nothing
Here likes Austin, he never scored
Tony Fox is gay but even he’s not this much of a faggot
It is when you're joking.
I should’ve killed myself when I was 15.
>seething huwhite boy
Cringe
What's stopping you from doing it now?
Austin had a lot of pressure on him from sports, school and such. It's no wonder that was the last straw that broke him. Toby just seems like a loser geek who cries about muh depression on tumblr.
nice bait
>Toby just seems like a loser geek who cries about muh depression on tumblr.
Any sauce on that? I've never read anything about that by him.
Have sex
Yeah you’re right only white males are really pressured to succeed. He probably just wished he could sit on porch drinking malt liquor all day as well.
I haven't made a game because I've seen other people try and have been part of the development cycles for a few games.
It is simply excruciatingly time-consuming and stressful.
You have fun thinking up ideas for what your game is going to be and designing systems and general ideas, but when push comes to shove and you sit down to actually make the game it feels like you're looking down an endless hole of development with no end in sight.
The one way to overcome this is to use kickstarter to get funding after just doing the fun part of development and using that money to hire people to help make the game a reality or fund the massive time commitment required by making game development your full time job.
And even with kickstarters plenty of game projects end early because of things like feature creep, mismanagement, and a simple misunderstanding of the effort required to make the game that you described.
Playing games is fun, but even when working in fairly large teams making a game is a soul-crushing experience.
I care too much about my mental and physical health to create a game by myself.
>sauce
He's just saying that's what Toby 'seems' like. Because he judges people by their looks.
Don't you ever link this piece of trash person again.
This motherfucker has stood out on top as the only Indie dev who kept his mouth shut and talked about his work. Hussie failed. Austin failed. Andrew failed. And no one except Temmie has learned to be like him.
Yeah, my bad, I didn't read the sentence properly.
I'm talking about real-life achievements like Austin has, not being "famous" in Homosuck communities for living in a basement making weird internet music.
>doesn't make his first game simplistic
You will never have a triple IQ with these types of posts
Wrong, Hopoo is infintely more based. Well-liked by everyone on /agdg/ and came out extremely successful with a second game that iterated on everything perfectly.
i'm gay and i think toby is cuter
Not everyone is cut out for managing a fucking team. In my original post I stated it seemed more appealing to be a member of a team, contributing their own unique skill to the final product, than trying to manage a team with no social or leadership skills and watching the whole thing catch fire. You're probably the same way irl but you insist on putting on this fake outlook that anyone who's not up to the call of being a dev is pathetic. It's much easier to fantasize about making a game without considering what actually goes into it. How many games have you made on Toby's level and how much do they cost on steam or whatever platform they can be purchased?
Don’t be deterred by the success of others. Be inspired. Or just stop bitching.
How do I make music? I want to start from something
Redpillme on the hate bro
therefore I never said I was against effort
>look up Temmie Chang's game
>DUDE IIT HAS AMAZING ART AND LE ANIMATIONS XD
>They're sub par
Jesus, I should make a game at this point if numale Yea Forumsvirgins think that's amazing
You do realise that he's one of millions right?
Success on that scale is a lottery.
Same
Same. I have FL studio, and I learned piano back in elementary. I have no idea how to compose anything, though.
I'd also gladly get into art, especially pixelshit, but my art skills are infinitely worse than my musical skills, which are absolute trash to begin with.
Interesting.
ATTENTION ALL FURRIES IN THIS THREAD. Please respond if the first thing you saw on Undertale was the porn.
Thank you.
who are you quoting
Ableton or FL Studio is a good start.
when is temmies nudes leaking i wanna see her asshole
Yeah, I get it. You're a fucking loser. As for your question, 3. Look at steams global top selling games and you'll see one I developed. The other 2, I'll admit, are shit but they were learning experiences.
You should tweet that at her
I mean, I've made a text adventure before.
And it took like a week of focused work.
It's still a disproportionate amount of time considering the final product was basically a steaming pile of shit.
If you can churn out progressively more complex and polished finished games while knowing that almost all of them will be played by virtually nobody and that all of your work will not be appreciated, that's great!
That is pretty much the best way to get into independent game development.
But I just don't want to do that to myself.
1) learn all you can off music theory, spend an entire month watching music theory videos, also read the complete musician for maximum music theory masturbation (900 pages of music theory).
2) learn all you can off music production, like the seamlessR production course, also torrent courses on music production.
3) Spent another month learning and mastering audio synthesis, maybe pirate synthorial.
4) Get a 150 USD Midi keyboard, download synthesia, set to show score also.
5) Download an ear training software like solfege.
6) Spend two years practicing two to three hours per day doing piano exercises, learning scales and chords, learning to make covers by ear and learning songs on synthesia.
7) After this, spend another year making a song per day but with professional production skills.
After three years you'll be good enough to make professional music.
>but is too hard
kys then.
What I dont get is how there isnt a Yea Forumsaggot whos the son of some oil baron or CEO and just use his wealth to open a studio hire a small team of skilled devs and make his dream game
I want to make the perfect game and I have it vaguely worked out in my mind. Commandos 2 style character lineup set in WW2 with MGS style stealth elements, a dark and gritty world with campy humor and DaS1 or Resident Evil level design, and a good story involving Hitler. Commandos 2 + MGS3 + RE7
Or don't do this, and spend all that time learning programming instead. You can even get a proper job with it.
t. lazy mediocre faggot.
He made Undertale because the art chick wanted to "collaborate".
To answer your question, yes
I can probably make a decent game but I keep feeling strapped for time. I might bust through this or next year. I doubt I will ever be successful though
What? Have you ever seen anything Toby has written, ever?
t. seething incel who can't get a real job from his "music knowledge"
Yes, and it reads like a kooky tumblr teenager wrote it.
t. faggot retard who thinks everything great in life takes no effort
I bet you're also a skinyfat or just fat and think one year of a gym is impossible effort as well.
DAMN TEMMIE CHANG LOOKS LIKE THAT?!
her art is pretty good, I do think she could be better but hey she's no
>shadman
>makes the game they want to play
>maintened a low profile even when their games were popular
>makes a sequel to tie up some loose ends and be a homage to their favorite movies
>never release anything into the industry again
The programming job market is so flooded right now telling someone to "learn how to code" is literally a meme.
I'm no pro at it by any measure, but programming a game seems around 10000 times easier than writing music or making art.
Why would I think that when I literally told you to spend your time learning programming instead, something infinitely more applicable and harder? Gas your family you fucking inbred.
I'm working on an indie sidescroller right now actually in Unity.
No, it's a meme because it was aimed at literal boomer workers in the rust belt who have no chance of competing with zoomers on adderall. Check your sources. Programmers are in need literally everywhere.
because that's a meme?
I also know how to code faggot, any retard can learn it and is being outsourced to fucking india.
Also, good luck getting a silicon valley job without a degree.
good job being a dumb code monkey solving bugs of some BS java app for some garbage hospital network nobody gives a fuck.
It's as hard as the effort you put into it. You can make a dumb jingle in a few minutes, and you can program a mess in a few days.
yeah okay that's fair I guess
>implying nips and third-world subhumans can't be normalfags
Literally any retard can learn music infinitely easier than coding you dumb nigger lover, why would you ever tell someone to do that over programming? inb4 you think you'll actually get a job with muh guitar plucking
Why would I get a job in a kike country that I live half the world away from?
Nah, I've already got a six figure job lined up with NSA once my contract ends. Rather do that.
music is quite by a lot much harder to make a living than coding because it takes a shit ton more of effort to get gud at music as to make a living with it.
You can learn to code in 2 years.
It would take at least 12 years before writing music like a professional.
coding outside the US is just wagecuckery minimal wage.
I have big goals but no time to achieve them. Plus I program all day at work I barely want to go on my PC when I'm hone anymore.
I'm too stupid to code, I can't draw and my writing is embarrassing.
>Programmer needed in Buttfuck Nowhere, OK.
>Must have 5 years experience using COBOL language
Children are being taught how to code now days.
music is harder to make a living with because it has nothing to offer outside of its artistic value
>You can learn to code in 2 years. It would take at least 12 years before writing music like a professional.
i'll let you try to differentiate between these two as an exercise
>everyone is born with the same talents
>everyone has the same desires
>everyone has the same possibilities
My talents have nothing to do with videogame developing and I have zero creativity but great analytical prowess, I do have a goal and I'm working on it, but it's not videogames and it involves university degrees
Sure, but what I mean is that if I think of something in terms game mechanics, I can totally see myself realizing it in code with enough effort, whereas I have literally 0 ideas about how to make art or music.
I think deltarune is not very good
>Yoko Taro: I thought “this is the kind of game that would go great with alcohol” so I played while drinking, so after throwing in some naps in there I racked up about 50 hours. The actual gameplay time was probably around 10 hours. I recall seeing left on in the mornings after waking up.
Based drunk Taro
>music has nothing to offer
ok retard STEM loser.
>muh money, look how much do I earn
already bored of faggot STEM losers thinking making lot of money means shit in the end.
>muh wage
I want to make a lewd successor to Senran Kagura but I wish I had the artistic chops of Yaegashi
t. poorfag
god i really hope you kill yourself. just grab a knife and slit your throat right now you failed waste of primordial ooze. go construct a highway with the value your music has to offer.
those COBOL programmers earn crazy money
What country?
I rather be a poorfag making music than be a loser STEM faggot bragging about how muh he makes money while being only a wagecuck all his life.
A single beethoven piece is worth more than your shitty highways, nobody cares about a shitty highway it will be replaced in 20 years anyway.
Most buildings designed by stemfaggots become just demolished garbage while architecture made on the middle ages is considered worldwide news just because of a small fire on top of a mere medieval french church.
Literally more people cared about that fired on notre dame than all your shitty STEM buildings that get demolished every year.
>reddit spacing
>autistic libtard
you're a broken husk of a man, crawl back to your liberal arts college
has he assembled his fucking team yet
Deltarune pt 2 WHEN
an indie gamedev can earn more money than what stem losers can imagine.
The knowledge of programming.
>hurr durr muh muneyz
Culture is what makes you human; without art, you are just a robot. Art is insanely underappreciated, people would rather just focus on the money they earn, uhm... the money Mr. Goldberg gives them.
No money to invest, bills to pay, no family to rely on and I don't have a background in the Homestuck community.
Art is expensive as fuck to make. You can't do this without cash
>good game
>one of the runs is intentionally tedious because "THAT'S THE POINT"
I coded a semi-working FPS engine in opengl when I was around 17
Turns out I'm massively autistic and actually enjoy optimization puzzles more than making games though, so now I'm just doing quantum physics simulations.
He already has the story done. He just needs a dev team like Devolver to help make it.
Soon. Likely 2020.
Toby is gay though
Do you have a single fact to back it up.
my friends gonna work on a game soon based around being propelled in the air with a shotgun and other shit, me, im gonna try and improve at art and shit, maybe go for a high pixel cartoony ms paint style i guess, its just really hard to do shit with school and what not but summer im gonna try and be more productive
Test
he self inserts as tiny little boy dogs/goats, one of the most important male characters of the game is quite literally a big fluffy goat daddy....
dear god poor ralsei
Artistbros, how do I into art as a total noob? Last time I drew was around 15 years ago, and so my current skills are non-existent at best. I'd mainly like to make pixel art.
He met ZUN, Yoko Taro, And Itoi Shigesato. He's like the only only white guy that japs praise.
I don't got Andrew Hussie as a friend to jumpstart my career.
same
>he's never seen the tale of Apple Girlington
youtube.com
I actually never knew that Toby knew how to actually play a physical instrument. He's not half bad.
he called ed a nigger
Last Goodbye from Undertale literally had him playing piano live...
It's not fair
Why does Toby Fox sound like Toby Turner in this shit.
Did Toby do this?
fug
so?
most music faggots practiced since they were kids or teenagers until they were 20 something, so a decade of practice at least.
Is Yea Forums destined to be mocked by Tobyfox forever?
I doubt he's gonna talk about if it happens, he's been pretty quiet even after it being like six months
Big fluffy goat daddy is also straight
Are they doing anything else? Unironically the most based indie devs
who gets rejected by his wife and just wants his son back
To be fair they both did shitty things. The point of the game was that all of the characters had flaws and made mistakes.
>tfw been doing music since middle school but you chose voice instead of an instrument so you've got practically fuckall to show for it theory-wise
I don't have the patience for programming.
voice is another instrument, so you can simply learn a musical instrument once you have ear training in a faster time than starting from 0.
fusty?
>Always try to learn godot to make game that I have been making the plot for since I was 13
>all the guides assume you have some knowledge of something to understand it
>Never manage to learn it solid
>Recently found a guide that seems to be pretty straightforward
Hope I can learn something useful this time around. please send help I finished the plot to like 3 games in the non-existent series this is gonna be such a bitch to make
You have done _nothing_ with your life.
If Toby is dirt, what are you?
to depressed to work that hard
why
I don't want to make anything. Also undertale fucking sucks and anyone who actually enjoys that shit is a massive faggot
I was thinking about making a CYOA text game but no one plays those anymore and no matter how much effort and passion i put into the world building, narrative and story no one will give enough of a fuck to experience it all, so it will be purely a passion project for myself at the end of the day.
Yeah, but he had someone else do the guitar for the Undertale theme. You could easily figure he had done the same thing for the piano.
Well aren't you a bag of sunshine and rainbows.
>eceleb tumblrtale thread
hello nu-v
Since when the fuck did game developers become "e-celebs".
TOBY HOW COULD YOU DO THIS
>>buzzword buzzword thread
>hello buzzword-v
hello trying to fit in too hard.
>anything i don't like is a buzzword
: )
Hussie? Andrew Hussie? Is that you?
Andrew, I can't and won't make this any simpler for you.
You failed at life. You failed. When one thinks of what man is capable of, pushing himself to the limits physically, mentally and emotionally to achieve heights of success never before mentioned, your name will not be whispered in the same, reverent fashion that others have.
Nobody will remember Andrew Hussie. You aren't even a header or a footer in the career of someone else. You are nobody. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
In short, you are an enormous failure.
Andrew, being that you're about 35 years old and your brain has probably hard-wired itself to accept such failures by now and write off such criticism by being "flippant", really suggests that you've passed beyond the proverbial breaking-point. There's no turning back. This is your career, this is what defines you and this is what you'll defend to the end.
The abhorrent failure that is MS Paint Comics, Andrew Hussie, that is your legacy.
Maybe I'm over-reaching, however. Who knows? People CAN change. Maybe you'll read this, Andrew, and think long and hard about what a wasteful life you've led. Maybe you'll think, "wow. It's incredible just how abysmal and pathetic I really AM!" Maybe you'll lift some weights in the morning. Maybe you'll take a self-help class.
Maybe in a couple of years, Andrew, you'll have learned from this failure. I doubt it, though.
I genuinely doubt it.
Now excuse me, I have to work on Undertale 2. My accountant estimates over sixty million dollars in sales.
I tried but the main thing holding me back is art, you really need to git gud at drawing and if you're not making meme pixel shit (which has a low chance of success) then it takes years. I took the /ic/ pill and have been working through Drawabox, Loomis, etc. but as Sanford Greene said, it takes about 4 years of hard work to become a professional tier artist. A lot of these kiddos who have early success were fortunate enough to have decent parents who supported their interests, so they already have a decade or so of experience. Starting out a 25+ year old boomer is playing catchup and you won't make it until you are an old man by internet standards.
I am kinda worried that by the time I am good enough, people just won't care about indie games period anymore since the AAA teat is getting better and better at grabbing ALL the normie attention and facilitating addiction, but whatever. Life is a gamblerino.
I don't want to, simple as.
Also what's with all these Toby Fox circlejerk threads?
This guy's retarded but he has a point
better to just dream of what could've been then waste around the video game industry
gaming industry has been in the shitler since 2007
I see you have some pretty low standards.
How do I into pixel art? I'm going to make a game, but my art skills are absolute shit currently. Not sure where to start.
have sex
RPGmaker is a start.
What's your problem?
no, have chex(tm)
based as fuck
sorry MA'AM
I'll do that after I make my game and become a rich Chad
Nah, my programming skills are fine. Tried Pygame out by making a graphing calculator a while back, and I'm capable of doing things in one of those JS engines or C++ too.
you could at least try harder next time.
start by learning the fundamentals, and the port that over the pixel art or any other style you want. check the /ic/ sticky, but really as I mentioned what made art click with me was Drawabox, before that I studied meme books like Keys to Drawing which are fine and all, but the good thing about Drawabox is the approach he takes is very basic and more like what you'd see at a school, starting with questioning how you even hold a pen.
>what is drawabox.com
A website by some Indian dude who sounds like a teenager but is apparently an adult concept artist lel, some people say his stuff is just a ripoff of Peter Han (who he studied under) but whatever, it works. Anyway the answer to "how do I x type of art" is always FUNDAMENTALS, trying to take shortcuts so that you can draw pixel art or muh animes NOW without learning basic stuff like anatomy first will stunt your progress and make you a shit artist
why should i be tryin if you'll still be cryin
who the hell is ed?
Love the guy, but I gotta play the game for myself before watching
Thanks user, much appreciated. Will check the site out now.
Also, in response to your indie/AAA concern in that post, indie games have been around in some form for as long as gaming itself has. The market may be flooded, but if you make something good and market it well, I'm sure you'll find at least SOME success.
because I ain't buyin'
your shit tier lyin'
What is he wrong about though?
It's a eceleb tumblrtale thread.
yo lame rhymes got me sighin
you'd be better off dyin
Kids at age 14 have already gotten laid and are going to get laid again. What's stopping you?
Serious answer is not everyone can reach their dreams. Usually the ones with them are too ambitious and get burnt out trying to make them reality
when resetera started worshiping them
Because I hate programming with a goddamn passion. I dabble in and out of music from time to time but cannot sit still in front of a computer unless my mind is engaged in some kind of interaction beyond plugging in code. Nor do I have the patience to sit and debug something for 4 hours because of 1 typo or something just doesn't werkz. I believe anyone can learn to program but not everyone can live the life of a programmer. is spot on.
damn you got me there m8
Don't fucking bother, use placeholder assets until you get the gameplay down. Terraria originally used fucking Final Fantasy sprites and Braid looked like this dumpster fire
Literally have sex. Getting laid is incredibly easy in this day and age unless you have a grotesque deformity or are putting in 0 effort. Sex != making it like Fox
>eceleb
since when are game devs ecelebs?
>tumblr
game was literally made by a guy who frequented Yea Forums and likely still does, just because tumblr likes it doesn't mean we can't.
>slow as fuck walking and intentionally long travel animations
>the world’s most simple bullet hell patterns
>pointless puzzles that just waste your time
No. The music is good and some of the lines are funny but the actual gameplay is pretty fucking bad.
made my night a bit funnier thanks user
braid's shitty programmer art looks based though, it's more interesting than the yawnworthy watercolor shit in the final game
How the fuck does having sex instantly improve your life and status as a person. Fucking how. I don't understand.
having sex achieves nothing besides ticking a box
Holy Based
>t. brad
just because you make something doesn't mean people will actually give a shit
because the games I'd want to make wouldn't be meme shit appealing primarily to the tumblr audience - and I say that as someone who enjoyed Undertale; that game would not be near as popular if it weren't a pander-fest.
I've been working on my game full-time for 3 years now and haven't left the house once in that entire time. I loathe what I've become. My passion has become my horror. But if I don't ship this shit pronto I'm gonna be on the streets in a few months. Stay in school kids. I hear banking is nice.
Tell us more friend, I want to play your game
If a girl and a guy are on good terms that means they fucked
>t. incel
Because i lack creativity to have an idea, motivation to set it in motion, and confidence to try
Now you have to spill the beans, you don't know if it will be good until you have people play it.
Or I made a fucking joke. Pretty sure I made that clear
Hey i was there too! got all her cute prints too
Honestly speaking it's definitely something that should be experienced. It's not anything to die for though. It's been overhyped way too much by society
She is kinda cute
not much worse than underfail desu
Because people are too busy measuring intelligence purely by IQ instead of recognizing other types of intelligences that affects one's talents
you're lucky you don't know
he cute
reading this comment while making a sweet ass 6 figures starting in a metropolis as a software engineer. feels good, of course the prerequisite is a decent IQ ;)
I mean, its cute how he obscures his face, but everyone knows what he looks like so
He's just aping actually talented people, as with everything he does. He is not stupid, just childish and naive.
I'm working on it right now user. My current blockade is my ability to draw, but I'm improving every month.
I hope I can show my demo to the internet soon.
I'd take that over insufferable any day.
I always wanted to get into coding to make my own vidya. But I always gave up about a day or two in.
How did you all learn to code?
Practice, books, and tutorials. Its tedious at first but you'll get the groove for it. Firealpaca is a good free software to try out as a newbie.
Can't find a friend with art skills and can't pay someone to do it for me
I wish I knew how to make videogames but I have ADHD, Aspergers and I'm absolutely terrible at math,art,music and logic. I have tried to learn programming multiple times and most of the times I just get scrambled on the concepts or forget to keep coming back the next day
I will keep playing them though because that also makes me happy
Austin has stated multiple times that it's not him.
This is him, though.
Why do you always exaggerate it so much? It only lasted for a few days until he realized that he went too far.
why are you making up fanfiction about actual people
In the recent Switch port interview he said that he hasn't found anyone yet. Shit's fucked.
He better hurry his ass up.
Back in the Undertale Demo threads like half of the posts were about wanting to pork Toriel. But like that user said, the game has to be good to really get mileage out of its furry/autism audience (for example, nobody talks about NitW anymore).
Tobyfox was a sheltered kid who had a lot of time on his hands. I lost my adolescence years to physical illness and insomnia, so my dreams of being a musician were crushed. I'm now 20 and have to study to move out of my shit hole country and work to pay the bills. I have almost zero free time. I have my synths (bought with hard earned money) collecting dust. If I couldn't even make time for music I'll never be able to make games.
