*L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1*

yeah it's only Yea Forums that considers the game difficult, not everyone else except some contrarians

Even DSP beat this game, it isn't hard, just that Yea Forums is full of normalfags and zoomers now who haven't played harder games.

Nah, you won't even get that far. We all know you're going to make a thread in 2 hours crying about how the bull is filtering you, and that this a cheap piece of shit game.

Mashing L1 is a valid strategy against many enemies with multi-hit combos (like the "Giraffes"). You need to get the rhythm right, however, so it's not straight up mashing.

I don't believe you

Not any more, Bull just got nerfed.

And this is why you aren't designing games.

It's kind of necessary for the enemies that do flurry attacks, like Centipede Giraffe and O'Rin.

Jirafu is pretty easy to parry, he only has one attack pattern. O'Rin is harder but you don't need to spam for either of them.

Funny, cause it actually is a Chinese symbol, but it's used in the Japanese writing system (which is called a kanji)

People went in expecting dark souls but in sengoku japan

No? If you do that you get punished hard

Fuck off weeaboo nobody cares. Go masturbate to your gay ass chinese cartoons or something.

If you're doing it deliberately in time, it's not mashing.
>dude guitar hero expert is easy just mash the buttons lol

Your posture is going to get fucking wrecked late game.

>I-IT'S OKAY WHEN FROMSOFT DOES IT
How embarrassing

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>little baby who never played NG+ without kuro's charm
Awww, how adorable.

>Fighting games are hard
"no"

When it comes to Souls games "hard" is just a meme.

is there a single person who unironically thinks mashing L1 is the best tactic to beat sekiro?
i really feel bad for you, better go back to fortnite.

No you can’t

Systemic git gud culture is cancer, when did hard became synonymous with good? The game just has to be rewarding, if you find it easy put on the demon bell and if you dislike blocking then remove the charm. Souls always had integrated easy and hard modes depending on which tools you wanted to use and Sekiro is no exception. Go with what you find the most rewarding.

>*L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1*
Is this a new retarded Yea Forumsmeme?
Because anybody who played the game know that if you do that, you are literally dead.

Mashing L1 does work. First time I beat the game I instinctively started doing it and it carried me all the way to the end, so I don't oppose the OP too much.

The real game starts with Bells + No Charm though. It's a much enjoyable experience and you actually have to learn the game. It's baffling to me that people have trouble with no modifiers.

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people who are replaying the game with the bell on are trying to push the silly narrative that you can spam L1 to beat bosses to try to feel more validated for playing on hard mode

I never claimed it was, at least in NG
I took on hour on Butterfly but then after a night of rest beat her first try the next day, and from then on no boss took me over 4 tries. I also legitimately thought people were trying to make a meme out of snake eyes being hard, cause I barely even remembered her for how quickly I got through her.
But you say that and people get all pissy and claim you’re trying to brag or something, when I’m sincerely not. I loved the game but I wouldn’t call it hard- until you do charmless NG+. Now that is difficult.

Why do you come on the internet and lie? Youtube is littered with footage of mongs fingering the L1 button the minute any enemy or boss so much as twitches.

did you mean to say "can't"?

go ahead and spam L1, record your inputs and put it on youtube

oh, you can't, because it doesn't work

And it’s also littered with a lot of bad players who get rekt. Your point?

Yea Forums is still bad.
i don't give a fuck about everyone else, i was saying Yea Forums sucks dick at games.

>stealth is ass
dropped

Translation: I know it should be as easy as spam L1 but I can't fucking beat this boss this game SUCKS

Does not always work. some bosses has slower attack pattern with few mix up.

I'm assuming you're the triggered fanboy and not that user as "can't" is the only that makes sense. In the sentence structure and in the facts.

Do YOU have a fucking point you idiot?

>this doesn't work
>yes it does, there's literally footage of it
>oh yeah? What about the footage of people being bad!?

How did this make sense in your head?

Even perfectly deflecting every attack doesn't help you with a lot of bosses.

Sure is filtered itt

you're saying it works, so prove it, post a video of you beating bosses by spamming L1

>*L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1*
Spotted the faggot who plays charmed

The people spamming were the bad ones, Einstein.

It’s hyperbolic to say that the game ‘just takes l1 spam’ as much as it’s hyperbolic to say that there isn’t a significant portion of the game on NG where you can spam it at certain moments and it’ll let you through
Obviously you don’t instantly just run up to the enemy and rapidly start pressing l1 with no other thought process, but at the same time you can first try bosses easily by just reading when they are obviously swinging a parryable attack and spamming l1 at that point rather than trying to guess the exact moment for every attack that you haven’t even seen before.
Genichiro’s autismrush is a prime example, where it ends in a staredown if you deflect the last attack and then he does a thrusting attack after a delay. The whole rush you can just spam l1 at a certain tempo and it will still be forgiving enough to give you 70% parries, with the rest being blocked. I know this cause i did it, and I know that I was just spamming because trying to do it now on NG+ charmless I’m getting wrecked due to taking damage through blocks, lol.

No it’s not hyperbolic to say you can’t spam to win. It’s a fact. The definition of spam is to just press the button as fast as possible with no regard to what you’re seeing on screen. That is not a viable tactic and that is a fact. Present evidence showing otherwise or deal with it.

you're a fucking retard, my God.

So beating the game is what getting rekt means?

Present evidence of people beating the game by spamming the block button.

Spotted the fag who never played it. Spamming makes a deflect less likely to happen, and every boss has a few moves that aren’t parryable.

oh no, you insulted me, what a great rebuttal
now post the fucking video

>All these triggered fromdrones mad at someone pointing out they have no skill

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I'm a Sony fan but...

Rent free fucking nigger cunt

There's always one in each thread, hilarious.

Imagine being so defensive about your game you construct a whole narrative to hide behind.

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>le real game starts with bell and no charm
Cringe
By the time you finish your first playthrough, you should have downloaded all the bosses and minibosses. Even with the modifiers, it doesn't do a thing because I know when to press L1. It's a rhythm game, literally.

>maybe if I say they’re triggered or seething people will believe me!

Do you also shill for Epic by any chance?

DSP's entire playthrough.

It doesn't work that well. You can only spam L1 like 2 times max before an incoming attack or you will 99% of the time just get a block instead. It's not like you can mash it and get deflects without learning any of the enemy timings; you will get blocks most of the time

it actually works though, sure in theory it makes it harder to parry because it reduces frames but in practice it doesn't really matter and you can still parry easily by spamming L1, the real "challenge" is knowing which enemies can be L1 spammed and which can't, or when to do it

lmao OP how many buttons do you press in your favourite game?

Imagine having no evidence.

Go ahead and post a link showing this. Remember: the definition of spam is to press a button over and over as fast as possible with no regard for what’s on screen.

Triggered as FUCK. XD

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Hehe lmao xp

>Go ahead and post a link showing this.
Google DSP retard, it's not hard to find.

>can’t post a link
Just as I thought

I don't need to press any buttons to fuck your mom user.

>you will get blocks

aaaaaaaaaand? Unless you are doing the bell and no charm playthrough specifically how does this matter? In another game you wouldn't get blocks, you would get hit.

fighting games arent meant to play against the cpu, user
try your luck on online and have fun as you get butt blasted 30 times in a row!

Holy shit fromdrones BTFO!!!!!!!!!

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>Too stupid to use google
Just as I thought.

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based user with the ressurection cheat

What I hate is how there's no benefit to having the bell and no charm. The sen bonus is pointless in new game plus, hell fighting the mini bosses is pointless because you just get coins which are pointless. Maybe if the experience bonus was greater it would feel better

not that guy, I googled it and I found no video of DSP spamming L1

can you show any videos of L1 spam working?

>Why is this game considered hard again
Hey buddy, I think you got the wrong door
The reddit club is two blocks down

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Keep insulting people instead of posting links.

Its not

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>a reaction image + an insult
ohnonono how will logicfags ever recover?

>run around in a circle
>boss whiffs a combo
>hit him once
>repeat
Hard game.

People like you say it’s a rhythm game but it’s just the same as pressing the roll button when the attack comes except more tight and you got to do it every time in multi hit flurries instead of just once and being clear. But yes people who say “the real Sekiro” are retards. Souls and Sekiro have difficulty modes, some more overt than others. Some people struggle through Souls and barely scrape by with some overleveled cheese build and feel rewarded. Others choose to do a more challenging build and go to harder areas earlier and feel rewarded. In Sekiro the vast majority of people barely scrape by even in the normal mode, you saw all the outrage about the difficulty. But for those that are better and want a better challenge there’s the lack of charm. It’s always organic and way better than just choosing baby mode at the start or one hit death mode out of a desire to show off. You just naturally gravitate towards what is more rewarding to you but the whole difficulty circlejerk warps this community. I’m glad Miyazaki doesn’t give a fuck.

He's not stupid, just a faggot. It's the hot potato argument. The whole shtick is ignoring or denying an obvious fact while pinning a fake onus on the opposition and hoping they will not follow through from sheer annoyance or disinterest in the now tainted argument because it's like asking someone to demand proof that water is wet. It's one of the classics of this cesspool.

You are the only retard here.

Pressing a button fast is not mashing

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The game is a joke, you guys are trash at videogames, OP is right. And no, I'm not playing it a second time, next time put difficulty selection from the start. Piece of shit game for braindead zoomers.

and now he's going full on samefagging

So who are you stuck on? Ogre? Bull?

The burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim. If one claims that Senior can be beaten by spamming L1 (which is not true), then proof should be presented.

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based, Fromdrones btfo

Facts and especially so called obvious ones, should have evidence to go along with them. You’re not fooling anyone, desperado.

Your posture bar goes up and eventually breaks (especially if you already don't have full HP), and if it happens mid-combo you get smashed with the rest of the combo. You take like 125% damage when you are posture broken

*Sekiro, I’m phoneposting

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>t. braindead zoomer

i'm up to/stuck on Snake Eyes Shirafuji and Lady Butterfly. Shirafuji WRECKED my shit like 5 times in a row before i went to bed, i kept jumping off the mountain trying to avoid her. Butterfly isn't hard, just haven;t gone back since i nearly killed her the other day and ran out of snap seeds.
Overall, this game is a fucking wonderful surprise so far. I expected mediocrity and a few cool fights here and there, but i got a real fucking gem on my hands

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>But yes people who say “the real Sekiro” are retards

Let me reword then.

Sekiro as a game elevates itself as a game and becomes something that is much more enjoyable and rewarding, while the base game, being fun still, is nowhere near close the highs the modified one reaches.

Should I make it even more cringy still to make the point go through your skulls?

>fighting games are hard
>other players are autists

pick one

The benefit is that you're playing a much better game.

Get dabbed on, casual.

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>rock paper scissors
>hard
it's literally who pushes the buttons fastest most of the time

>keeps proving my point

Tips for Shirafuji if you don't know: she is weak to Sabimaru, and you can deflect her grab (but the timing is incredibly precise and a little weird, just before she hooks her gun in)

Owl is kicking my dick hard, even Guardian ape didnt bring me this much pain

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You can hit Snake Eyes with a ichimonji after you deflect her. She is really slow to swing again

if it was so easy to prove, then why can't anyone prove it with a simple video?

Just run around until he swings, then dash in and hit him.

how far are you in the game OP? oh right you didn't even play it nvm

What's your point? The fact that you suck at video games?

Oh shit, i forgot i had that skill. Been sticking with the whirlwind slash and upgrading passive abilities mostly. will give it a shot later.
one more question for you, senpai: i got "possessed" by the bell demon last night, and i have the item in my inventory. if i use it, does the curse wear off? not sure if she was super strong because of it or i was just tired as hell

The long armed centipedes have nothing to do with Giraffes. The translation is just bad and turned Jirafu into Giraffe because whoever did it paid no mind to context.
That's why the other one has an actual name instead, Sen'un.

Snake Eyes is one of the mini-bosses that you can beat by mindlessly deflecting her and slashing her. Her attacks are slow and choreographed, they're easy.

Yeah, if you use the bell demon it goes back to normal and if you use it again it reactivates

>going for all four endings
>decide I'm going to do two rounds of NG and NG+ to level out the difficulty instead of progressively getting harder
>doing Purification on first NG+
>never did Hirata 2 on first playthrough so I have no experience with Owl 2
how fucked am I?

You can get a stealth kill on shirafuji if you run past her and deaggro.
Also, just use sabimaru to decimate her health and the umbrella to not die. Umbrella blocks grabs so use it if you're not confident in deflecting or evading her grab.

No, it's the fact that you don't have anything positive to say about your game, so you attack the poster.

>IT ISNT HARD AT ALL
100% you watched tutorials on every boss and cheesed where you could compared to most games it is hard you retard

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All Japanese kanji were borrowed from the Chinese language lmao

The majority of fans of this game are retarded frogposters zoomers, what do you expect? Visit one of the threads and you'll see.

Depends on how much you struggled with Owl 1. If you didn't kill him in less than 5 tries then you're fucked.

Snap Seeds are not that useful. Just either kill off some of the illusions or better yet run when they pop into butterflies and dodge them. You can make it easier by making them collide on the pillars. And when I say dodge I mean not the roll but running perpendicular to the trajectory of the projectiles so they miss. Sekiro runs super fast so it’s easier than it sounds. Just keep them coming from just one side and you’ll be ok. Also with perfect aggression she may not even get to cast the illusion since she requires a bit of space and breathing room. Lady Butterfly was my first boss and I struggled a lot but she taught me so much that I beat the rest swiftly.

>Spamming block reduces parry frames for each press that doesn't result in a parry.
No wonder why I never get parries.
I'm such an idiot.

she didn't seem too hard, i just got up to her when i was really tired. turned the game on because i hadn't played it in days, never felt like playing but did out of a sense of obligation. made almost 0 (Zero) progress aside from skill grinding.

>umbrella blocks grabs
thats news to me, will try it later.

so it's essentially a grind mode that i can turn on whenever? you do get more souls/money for killing with it on, right?

The main point I was trying to make is that Sekiro uses LB and Gen as a skillcheck to see if you actually learnt the game. By the tine you finish, even the no charm bell playthrough should be easy.
See I don't think nocharm and bell is that riveting. It got boring honestly.

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I "attack" you because you're acting like a giant faggot, sweetie.

The game punishes blockdancing with a lot of bosses. Even Genichiro in the 2nd fight at the watchtower will punish blockdancing with his heavy bowspam. 2Ape can't be blockdanced, nor can Shimichen Warrior or regular Headless, and Monk has enough mixups to make blockdancing pretty risky.
Overall I do find Sekiro a good bit easier than Souls games, but that's because of Souls games often having incongruent or intentionally assholish design that Sekiro doesn't. Plus, there's always the Demon Bell to make blockdancing even less of a good idea.

Git gud

So, planning on talking about the game discord tranny?

>Monk has enough mixups to make blockdancing pretty risky
How do you even win against Monk by blocking? I could deflect everything she threw at me but I was always too far to strike back.

Protip: just throw Shuriken at the illusions, they all die in one hit anyways and often drop Spirit Emblems.

Hang urself trannie

Okay so why don’t you make a living off of winning evo then?

You can only get 1 or 2 hits on her at the end of her big swipes you're meant to dodge (the 5th swipe of Spin 2 Win for example). She has almost no posture, if you get her health down even a little bit you can knock her posture out and deathblow her very easily, she just has extremely annoying mixups and that retreating double swipe that fucks me every time.
How did you beat her without blocking?

>How did you beat her without blocking?
Staying out of range by running around and hitting when she's recovering.

Sekiro isn't about difficulty, though.

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are you a nigger
it has nothing apart diffuculty.
unless you call that lame story its selling point lol

So for some reason I have micro-stuttering in this game, even worse than in the other fromsoft-""""quality""""" titles. Any advice to increase performance and reduces stutters?

It's considered hard because you have to master the game's systems to do well. If you don't want to learn you'll have a hard time.
Once you learn how the systems work you have to build an intuitive reaction cycle so that you don't fuck up many inputs.
After that, all that's left is to follow through and press the right buttons at the right time.

If you think that the game is not difficult because you just push the right buttons at the right time to win the game once you have developed the required skill level, you're retarded and don't know what difficulty actually means. By your definition there's no such thing as a difficult game because every single one boils down to pressing the right sequence of buttons and then you win.

Sekiro is a difficult game. It's even more difficult for people who have played a lot of previous FROM software games like Dark Souls, because some gameplay habits from Dark Souls need to be un-learned before you can start learning Sekiro. The nature of the difficulty of these types of games is that once you develop an intuitive understanding of the mechanics and their input requirements from the player, the challenges presented are made almost trivial. Congratulations, you beat the game. Money well spent. Cross this one off the backlog, time to pick another game to play now.

Really? Monk feels like the point where the game tells you to git gud and play right or fuck off.
I don't know, my experience with this game's difficulty seems to be really different from most peoples'. None of the bosses have really been that hard but areas like Fountainhead Palace and even Ashina Castle Dusk screwed me over.

Youre both stupid and a faggot

>L1
Fuck off peasant.

>monk
1 2 3 SNAP

How are you "supposed" to beat Monk? I was trying to do deflects until I realized I was constantly ending up out of range at the end of her combos to hit back.

>using crutch seeds
Even on Vermilion Bridge you can just jump onto the trees to dodge the clones

You can deathblow her from up there.

Deflect, dodge through her heavy attacks, counter until her health is low enough and then just posture kill her. She's seriously very easy, you just can't get greedy. If you play aggressive you can chase down a lot of her floaty backpedaling bullshit too.

jirafu has 2 attack patterns.

What do you mean by "counter?"

>marketed as the hardest FROM game yet
>brought streamers to play the game and comment on how hard it is
>hurr durr it isn't about the difficulty

We need to start substituting "Git gud" with "Acquire autism"

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If you mash L1 it reigsters as a block. Do you people even play the fucking game? Proper timing is vastly more effective than mashing. I've tested this on plenty of weapons.

Um, sorry, sweetie, but none of the Souls games or its FROM-made offshoots are about difficulty.

Finished Sekiro the other day, true end
>Had this urge to go back to bloodborne all week, finally time
>Decide to start from scratch
>Get to father G. Die, realize i'm rusty as fuck
>Wait.. where are my bullets and blood vials?
>remember I have to re-buy or farm them
>Get to Gascoigne again
>Does an up swing with the halberd
>Try to ju-oh wait
>Die
>Go again
>Swings at me
>Try to mikiri-oh wait
>Die

This is going to take some getting used to again.

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How hard would it be to do a new game run without Kuro charm+demon bell while aiming for no damage? Reminder that without Kuro charm you get chip damage every time you block without deflecting. Surely, someone will try to do this

yeah the experience and sen bonus is not that great, you do get more (and better) drop from ennemies. I'm currently doing a bell+no charms run on a regular new game, I never liked NG+ in From Software game, it always feel to easy

>no porn of cute blue barefoot alien autists yet

Aaaaaaaaaa

Divine okami aren't aliens you troglodyte

none of you beat any of the souls games the way they were meant to be beat
>20 fps
>mouse and keyboard
>600x800 low settings
>no cheese like resins or extra heals other than estus/gourd

Get gud millenials

I found levels and regular enemies incredibly easy past the start walls, but bosses were all challenging to me. I did die to enfeeblement though. It was weird after playing BB which to me was always hard areas easy bosses. Though I am an autist that kills every enemy especially in first playthroughs.

>He used fire paper

Keep talking casual.

If you mash L1 you end up getting enough deflects to break even the final bosses posture

i used nothing but left click you millenial

i sincerely believe anyone who says shit like this either got OGRED or finished the game in the cheesiest possible ways and then never turned it back on again.

Go ng+ without kuros charm (And preferably with the bell ringed) and tell me how you mashing works you fucking retard.

I know you are samefag

>I used left click on a Game that isnt on PC

Mhmm. sure.

Where is the difficulty, in having to react at certain times? Tetris does the same thing.

The only difference is Sekiro is broken and you can cheese 50% of the bosses with ease, the other 50% are just gimmick bosses.

And you just believe what he says without a video proving it?

spbp

>I MEANT IF YOU PLAY IT ON HARD MODE, NOT BASE GAME
Stop moving the goalpost faggot

one of the loading screen tips literally say this
theres also this official guide given to journalists

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You can cheese ALL of the bosses

Um no honey, The games are marketed for their difficulty and even the subtitles have something to do with death (shadows die twice/prepare to die) that's exactly why these games are popular with normies and streamers otherwise they're shit and only would be liked by weebs who think the "lore" is deep

are you retarded? fuck off.

You really don't need to though because so many are so pathetic.

Did you even play the game? Because there’s only one weapon my dude

>Go in to bloodborne thinking its going to be some stupidly hard challenge game that will bust my balls
>Literally just 3D castlevania with PS2 era DMC boss fights

Whats hard about pattern memorizing again?

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Literally no self awareness

I mean enemies, FUCK.

literally this, you can even just stand still basically and time your l1 press which is not hard once you realize that you can just stand still and observe

>souls games with mouse and keyboard the way they were meant to be beat

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And i say it's bullshit. If it were true you would not be able to spam L1 when a flurry of attacks is about to happen, and get deflects after getting a block, you would only get blocks after the first one. If that mechanic really does exist then the the threshold for it to trigger must be turbo controller huge or the diminishing returns must be slow to come and inconsequential.

whatever you wanna believe.
i believe that the ng experience is meant for you to familiarize yourself with the game and no kuros charm is the way they wanted to make the game at first but it proved too hard for the first try.
didn't it sound too op that you can block without pretty much any consequences ?

That still doesn’t really make any sense. Every enemy attack you can either block or you can’t

>souls games
>hard
pick 1

having only 1 viable strategy(utilizing gay ass dodgeroll + parry systems) isnt difficulty it's poor game design

millenials like you wouldn't understand

You have to memorize the patterns, recognize when the enemy is doing them, and respond appropriately.
Doing this is not trivial, it requires patience, reaction time, hand eye coordination, and above all else a willingness to learn from your mistakes.

You know, its a fucking videogame. You know what video games are, right?

Uh, that can't be possible, deary, as Soulsfags constantly talk about how the games aren't about difficulty despite beating them being the Ultimate Gamer Cred™ according to them.

Blame the publishers for that, not the devs, shit for brains.

Its called dedication. This shit wasnt uncommon at all in the NES days, and in those days we didnt have the luxury of "retrieving our souls upon death" You died, it was Game over plain and simple. Start again from the beginning bitch.

nah, spamming L1 works for flurry attacks because the L1 spam only negatively impacts you for every press that doesn't result in a parry.

so if you know a multi hit combo is coming you're perfectly capable of parrying with every button press by spamming and not being effected.

however if you read a regular attack and you get a thrust so you start spamming L1 to try to block it because you've forgotten you can miraki counter you'll get fucked.

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I played and 100%except for that fucking Pure Bladestone Demon's Souls when it first came out and was in all the threads with Yea Forums
I 100% Dark Souls and played it and was in all the threads with Yea Forums when it came out
I was there when it got a PC release and the community went to absolute dogshit and the threads were unbearable garbage
You watch your fucking mouth you dumb little faggot.

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So like i said, inconsequential

Mmm darling, that's s blatant lie. most Soulsfags circlejerk on how hard the game is and some irrelevant "lore" shit and call those who didnt like the game casuals/filtered because of how hardcore their game is
>It's not developers fault that they keep making the same game concept that's centered around difficulty above everything

bloodborrne is the easiest souls game of the five, so don't think the other games are that easy

>effort = autism
You sicken me.

M&K unironically is better than controller for souls games, though. Sekiro in particular flows so sexily with a mouse I started lovin the game twice as much when I switched to it

Das 1-3 were the exact same shit and i've played them all to NG+7. They're not hard. at all. Satisfying to beat, good fun, but not hard.

Kek. Shame I got into the series with PTDE since I only had PC back then and missed all the good days. The closest I had was BB release and it wasn’t that comfy since the “sickdark” thing was out of hand. It was satisfying to see them get btfo though.

hey i'm just saying that my runs were much harder than yours because of my shitty pc and that i like to go in blind and make up stupid restrictions for myself so it doesn't feel like i cheesed my way through the game.
no need to get so defensive.

>end up really enjoying the game but still recognize it as a lenient entry level action title*
>have to listen to Soulsfags jerk each other off over the lenient difficulty and the entry level mechanics in the threads

*Nothing wrong with that as long as it is engaging.

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