>Epic Games employees working on the company’s smash hit Fortnite have had to maintain brutal work schedules, with many pulling 70- to 100-hour weeks to keep up with the game’s success, according to a new report published today. Fortnite’s rapid content release schedule has come at a cost of employee’s physical and mental health, and some have been fired from Epic for refusing to work overtime hours that the company officially says are “voluntary.”
>“I work an average of 70 hours a week,” one employee told Polygon, speaking on the condition of anonymity. Most of the report’s sources could only discuss working conditions at the company if their names were protected, since most are under strict non-disclosure agreements. “There’s probably at least 50 or even 100 other people at Epic working those hours. I know people who pull 100-hour weeks.”
>The high demands on Epic’s employees are partly down to Fortnite’s rapid content release schedule, but employees said it also has to do with management’s approach to development.
>“Everything has to be done immediately,” one employee said. “We’re not allowed to spend time on anything. If something breaks – a weapon, say – then we can’t just turn it off and fix it with the next patch. It has to be fixed immediately, and all the while, we’re still working on next week’s patch. It’s brutal.”
>Employees said that if deadlines get missed because someone took leave or even weekends off, that person would be fired. Employees told Polygon they and their coworkers have watched as their health and family lives have suffered due to the demanding schedule.
Why is Tim Sweeney so concerned about treating developers well with Epic Game Store while he treats his own developers like shit?
>"Persona 5 will be 3DS exclusive" >"Persona 5 will be Wii U exclusive" >Persona 5 announced for PS3 and later PS4 >"P5R will be Switch exclusive" >P5R teaser starts with PS logo >"I-It's VR!" >Persona 5 The Royal confirmed as an RPG and listed as PS4 only on the main site >"P5S will be a Switch port" Oh boy can't wait to see what happens next. I can already predict Switchfags claiming "W-Wait for E3!" when P5S is nothing Switch related
Eli Evans
who cares lmao enjoy your dead thread
Hudson Robinson
When you unfortunately happen to be one of the biggest happening things on the entire planet, you dont just sit back and play with your dick in any down time you get.
Gavin Mitchell
They must do literally nothing, just sit on money bags like Valve does.
Joshua Rivera
lmao. i work 80 hour weeks right now. what are these cucks crying about? if you dont like it just leave.
Austin Sanders
You okay there, buddy?
Grayson Reyes
>Employees said that if deadlines get missed because someone took leave or even weekends off, that person would be fired. That sounds pretty illegal.
Julian Lee
Perhaps you Americans shouldn't be so scared of unions and workers rights hmmmm?
americans are nice and brainwashed, even the liberals don't trust unions.
Ryan Smith
how often does fortnite even add anything aside form a few new skins?
Daniel Howard
working 100 hours on fucking what? how much effort does a trash game like fortnite takes to mantain?
Christopher Kelly
Nah, just shitposting.
Ian Evans
Just walk away from the job? How pathetic do you have to be to suffer those kinds of work schedules?
Jayden Richardson
Because it is illegal.
Elijah Wright
>If something breaks – a weapon, say – then we can’t just turn it off and fix it with the next patch. >game devs now literally cry out in pain when they are supposed to fix bucks before releasing the new content holy shit this industry is doomed
Adrian King
you work 12 hours a day 7 days a week? what are you a slave?
Jaxon Lee
i'm a facility manager and proud of what i do and what i have. something a zoomer like you will never appreciate.
Carson Brooks
>be code monkey >dont do any physical work >get to work from home >can literally just go freelance coding if you want
>hard work
1st world problems mate. spend 10 year steel erecting then wind/rain or shine then tell me how bad your desk job in the office block i built is.
JESUS FUCKING CRIST THEY ARE WORKING, WORKING, DO YOU HEAR ME, EMPLOYES ARE WORKING, WE MUST STOP THSI OUTRAGEOUS EXPLOTATION OF HUMAN BEINGS
Ethan Reed
>anonymous source Gaben must really fear China to spread this bullshit
Evan Long
>“We’re not allowed to spend time on anything. If something breaks – a weapon, say – then we can’t just turn it off and fix it with the next patch. It has to be fixed immediately, and all the while, we’re still working on next week’s patch. It’s brutal.”
Fire the faggot who said this. He doesn't deserve his job.
That's literally his job.
Kevin Morris
coding sounds better than fucking high end restaurant working. my god damn fingers are burned now.
Eli Richardson
How do you even have time to get anything in your personal life done?
Liam Stewart
Why are game developers such beta males who cant unionize. Why cant the people working at epic just unite and go on strike. Not like the company can afford to fire them all considering hiring and training new staff on the engine and everything would take way more money and time. Hell if they went on strike the company would literally have to cave in just to prevent the game from flopping.
If they are unhappy, they can leave and even start their own studio if they want. Unions will push costs up and reduce competitiveness.
Noah Hill
You'd let your employees complain about having a job?
Fuck outta here. All these niggas would be jobless the day after I read this article if I was the boss.
Parker Howard
>Wagie working 80 hour weeks calling other people cucks >Spends his few free hours on Yea Forums
Mason Robinson
Cheer up lad, your fingers will get used to it eventually.
Jordan Williams
Literally what the fuck are these suits thinking making people work THIS long and arduous, what person going into software development as a career would choose videogames as a path after hearing about shit like this? Pretty soon there'll be a stagnation of talent in the industry because of people not wanting to deal with insane crunch periods for no exta benefit
Based chinese, exploiting weak nu-male devs. That said, I work 40 hours/week and I already feel like a slave and drained one. I cannot even imagine doing 100 hours.
That's why you should play based apex legends instead. We only work 3 hours per week.
Lincoln Moore
>bitching about working 8 hours a day with weekends off neck yourself gov employee
Dominic Martinez
Tencent doesn't own Epic you fucking newfag
Jackson Morgan
Who cares? Let me know when someone dies at their desk.
Ryder Martinez
you got dabbed on by your own post
Charles Phillips
And how else would you solve it?
Tyler Bailey
One would think they could hire more code monkeys with some of that money. And Fortnite seems like the kind of game that practically runs itself, aside from adding new cosmetics.
Gabriel Wood
You are proud to serve another man's interests at the expense of your own limited time on this earth? Odd. I mean, sure, I can understand doing it because you need the money, but being proud of it?
Easton Allen
But then they fight, and that's competition which is good right?
Jason Carter
What do they even work on? Do they just keep an eye out for other games to steal shit from?
Brandon Bell
Competition. Employers attract talent with non-wage benefits, such as work/life balance.
Benjamin Ortiz
user I think you’re having an aneurysm
Easton Edwards
Yeah but now we have 2 companies working their employees to death
Aiden Hernandez
>unreal heh
Henry Bell
That's because you're a limp wristed, anime posting faggot. Those wagecucks should be lucky they even have a job in this day and age.
The sad truth is that there's not going to be a shortage of workers, only of talented people. Code monkeys are churned out like form a factory line and plenty of 3rd worlders are ready to work those hours. It's much better to study something better than becoming a simple code monkey, since pretty much all code monkey jobs are like that.
Angel Stewart
>epicucks work 100x the amount of hours as a valve employee for 40% less money from game sales
The majority of game studios aren't that bad at all and the majority of employees could just switch to a different industry and earn more for less. It's just starry eyed grads and people who have something to prove willingly allowing themselves to get fucked by AAA development
Justin Bailey
>Tencent Holdings Limited >Headquarters: Shenzhen, China >Subsidiaries: Epic Games oof
Jason Brown
>Fair point
Leo Wilson
>some actual journalism is happening >but only if it pushes our bullshit, currently unions
Jason Russell
>B-BUT THINK OF THE PUBLISHERS BAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Nicholas Stewart
>nice maths bro >100 x 0 >is still 0
Colton Martinez
>competition >for workforce >at these times It's not 80-90s growth time anymore grandpa
Zachary Torres
>being proud of slaving away so another man can live in luxury wow wonder the 1% treats the working class like trash, you actually LIKE it
Tyler Collins
>All the neet contrarians in this thread defending this
Slave hours. user I know this is hard to understand but some of us actually have friends and family, perhaps some hobbies to spend time on. We don't all wanna work like a retard into a early grave but if you insist then say hi to my grandpa Dimitri that done the same till he died from it
Lincoln Price
They own 40 percent of Epic and have 2 memeber on their board of directors.
oof yourself, faggot
Blake Barnes
>workers in china work until they drop dead >epic is owned by china Full circle
Jesus Christ, is being a video game developer that fucking terrible? Everywhere I look it’s big name publishers or developers having their staff work insane amounts of hours with not nearly enough pay.
Easton Myers
If friends, family, and hobbies are important, employers exist which will give you time for that but don't expect the salary of someone working 80 hours. Have you people ever been in the job market?
Brayden Gonzalez
>epic justifies their anti-consumer stance as saying it benefits the developer >they treat their developers like shit Gee I wonder. If only a big brain could come along and connect these two points.
Sebastian Reed
The video game industry is the worst of them all.
Jeremiah Robinson
What do you do for a living? Or is mom not charging you rent?
Lincoln Kelly
>get BTFO >spout semantics faggot
Austin Anderson
Yes. It's literally the worst job in software. 90% of them wash out after shipping a single game, and then are immediately replaced with another batch of starry-eyed graduates.
Benjamin Barnes
Start a petition or something then if you care that much.
James Sullivan
Does not matter, once chink enters the company, its there forever, hopefully their chinese overlords will give the wagecucks some free time this week, but I will be extra busy reporting bugs knowing they will have to fix it immediatelly :)
Americans have been trained very well to scream COMMUNIST at the first objection of their current economic situation and any mention of the words union, socialism and taxes.
Lucas Murphy
there is more class consciousness in my shoe than there is in the entire game industry
workers in the west got the 8-hours work day a 100 years ago, but these lads just keep slaving away
Yeah. Game development is relatively hard for none of the benefits
Benjamin Collins
Are there any good books, documentaries, or tell-alls about video game development? It seems like such a turbulent industry.
Andrew Sullivan
America is not capitalism. Income taxes, Social Security, Department of Education, and the Federal Reserve are all market distortions that have negatively resulted in our current economic situation.
Alexander Sanders
Plenty of corilation, do you have employees to fire? Do you have a job even? I'm guessing you don't because your not answering the question. I'm just curious about why you're so pro company? You're right to think that most companies would fire someone then wipe their ass with the cost savings. I would just like to know why you're so happy that's how it is.
Gavin Murphy
Unions only have as much power as the workers. If the workers are replaceable trash then the Union does nothing.
game dev is the easiest place to score jobs right now.
Wyatt Taylor
2004 was a different time lad. Valve wasn’t living off the dragon hoard and constantly at battle with international agencies telling them to pair their fair dues or delegation quality control to the peasants while letting devs bully and sue consumers because they didn’t like a bad review their asset flip got
Henry Nelson
I thought you were going to say you own your own business or something. That'd be something to be proud of. Being proud of spending literally half of your time working for someone else is just sad, bro.
Adam Johnson
Capitalism doesn't mean a totally unrestricted market you stupid slantheaded fuck.
Jayden Taylor
Being forced to work for 100 hours a workweek is inhumane, you dont even have 8 hours to fucking sleep during the workweek if your working that. And from the use of "voluntary" by Epic PR, i bet those sad motherfuckers arent much of an extra dime for it. Anyway, fuck Sweeny, fuck Epic, and fuck the Epic Games Store.
Jackson Lopez
then unions should be helpful in this case. c++ programmers and 3d artists are not replaceable trash
the entire film and animation industry is unionized. vidya is the only media industry that isn't yet
Jonathan Barnes
"If I don't have a problem with it, no one should" this mentality is a cancer in this sociopathic society.
Charles Torres
You know this. I know this. There’s no true pure economic system but do you think the vast majority of Americans know this? They call states like California commiefornia while there’s plenty of red states heavily reliant of government welfare
Robert Smith
If a single piece of content doesn't keep people interested for a month, then maybe the game around it is shit
Unionization will destroy these microtransaction chinkshops. Can't wait for it to happen
Jackson Gray
I'm not sure how this helps their case in any way. Also >linking to polygon
Colton Collins
Probably nothing compared to what I get welding or plasma cutting shit
Camden Rivera
Are you alright friend
Carter Walker
>The Entire film and animation industry is unionized
And those unions are used as a barrier to stave off new competition.
>C++ programmers and 3d artists are not replaceable trash
Yes they are. There is a massibe supply and little demand.
Gabriel Green
The idea is that one worker is replaceable trash but not all of them at the same time. It basically strong arms other workers into not taking as much shit and helps fund lawyers for legal fees so that no individual has to sue a corporation.
John Taylor
Yeah but I make 240k a year and I'm only 38. All that hard work is fucking worth it to enjoy an upper middle class life
James Thompson
>there’s plenty of red states heavily reliant of government welfare Not true at all Conservative states are the richest and most intelligent
Jeremiah Brown
Fuck unions, they always go too far.
Brayden Bell
Throwing more coders does not increase productivity after a certain point.
Lucas Johnson
t. has never had a union job in his life Now I'm getting fucked up the ass AND paying union dues
Tyler Collins
If you dont want the job, leave. Its easy for someone with talent to make money freelance or with their own projects. And you dont have the talent to do that, then you better get on your knees and suck your bosses dick. You only get what you can negotiate for in this country.
Investing in something isn't the same as owning it, semanics yourself faggot
Cameron Carter
Literally never how Unions worked and why Unions in america resorted to literal violence to stop replacement efforts
You know assaulting "Scabs" because the Union simply fails to have the power.
Unions work when the workers have the power, but right now, Workers have very little power due to a glut of labour.
Nicholas Ward
>implying most companies could even afford to fire you even after rejecting requests to come in on off days or daring to call out
I think a lot of people fail to realize the cost investment they've already put into you, even if you aren't as engaged in the work as you were when you first started the job. There's the training of basic duties, training on how to navigate company systems, the factored cost of potential errors from new hires, etc.
Caleb Nguyen
Idea: Raid twitter to try and coax Sweeney boy into upping the cuts for Epic Games to 30% so there isn't a reason to use it over Steam.
Nathan Cox
>the entire film and animation industry is unionized. lol user you managed to list the two industries that arent any better than gamedev or maybe even worse. its not rare for cgi artists to work 100 hours a week, its really brutal. i had a friend who worked in a company that did commercials for big companies and sometimes he would have to wake up at like 4am to start to render. from all the reports ive heard hollywood is even worse
Liam Fisher
>be retard >unionize >game devs now outsource their studio elsewhere and nobody get jobs cmon now faggot
Jose Miller
WAGE SLAVE AND PROUD
Grayson Thomas
>There is a massibe supply and little demand. there are plenty of programmers and 3d artists, but few considered talented enough to hire by AAA studios
>little demand you really have no idea what you're talking about
Luke Morales
What does it matter OP? Neither of us work there.
Jeremiah Martinez
What good is that money if you have no time to enjoy it? What do you even do with it?
Mason James
But you don't have any time to do anything. No time to see the world or experience yourself.
>don't expect the salary Nigga I have an excess of 1k a month and can't think of anything to spend it on and bank at least 700 of it. You're living in a production frenzy, thinking someday it'll be enough, you'll hit the golden marker and something magical will happen, but it doesn't. It's just you, you with more money, and flailing health problems, Enjoy your empty experience, you hollow man.
Benjamin Price
>I'm only 38
HAHAHAHA
>Make 240k a year for 80 hour weeks You're literally working DOUBLE everybody else does, while most of us make over 120k at 25+ and you think you got some premium shit going on? You're literally slaving away, faggot
Charles Cruz
Not to mention the Union he is forced to be part of is very complicent in his work position because it's used to stave off competition from Freelancers.
Alexander Cox
Like kanas?
Aaron Evans
I mean 100 hours are insane but expecting people to fix broken weapons right away is perfectly reasonable. But I feel like something must be horribly wrong with their work flow if they can even fill in 100 hours a week working on a game like fortnite.
Joseph Brown
t. cletus
Jack Roberts
I mean people resort to "LITERAL" violence over sports. Don't be a scum sucking scab who's helping corperate's race to the bottom and you have nothing to fear. Not like union leaders haven't historically been killed or anything.
Evan Cooper
This would not happen if every numale wasn't lining up to work 100 hour weeks because thinks gaming is soooo coool.
Andrew Wright
>enjoy an upper middle class life >half his time is spent working >1/4 of it is spent sleeping >~1/24 of it is spent eating >a-at least I have a pretty house where I spend what's left of it shitposting on Yea Forums I'm starting to think this is boomer satire
Bentley King
being an anal slave?
Alexander Martinez
The top one is literally untrue, the second statement shows you simply don't understand how unions fucking work.
The Workers need to have leverage for a Union to work, full walkouts are almost entirely pointless in furthering the goals of workers.
Connor Walker
Mr. Zhang, this one is broken!
Jaxon Barnes
>have a korean cyber cafe >earn money by shitposting and games lol
Logan Howard
>"Epic is good for the industry" Reminder Tim Swiney has done nothing for the industry in his entire life. Unreal Engine only made games shittier because they needed less programmers on the games themselves.
I got vacations, dumbass. 30 days per year. Most of that time is just me cruising my Dodge Viper around the states and collecting old coins.
Christian Sanders
You are quite literary coping.
Logan Rogers
>to enjoy an upper middle class life Ah yes, I do envy the ability to sit in traffic going to and from work, and barely having enough to time to go the gym and cook dinner. Too bad you can't buy yourself a year off from all that wagecucking.
>Don't be competition to us >That removes our leverage
If your union needs to brutalize workers refusing to follow your unions ideas, then your union is a failure.
There is not a single benefit Unions in America have given. Other countries actually understand a Union isn't just a racket to shake money from the businesses.
At the end of the day, the business isn't forced to hire you.
Adam Williams
This is bullshit. Having visited epic HQ mid 2018 (because they fucked me out of being a paragon player and now since I stream fortnite i'm one of their "preferred community creators") I can tell you right now the air was incredibly lax around july 2018, when they were undoubtedly at their most popular. If it wasn't stressful around then, no way they're stressed now.
Jackson Jenkins
>most of us make over 120k at 25+ The median wage is something like 30k.
Julian Hill
Wait I don't get it. Doesn't unions exist for this stuff? I don't think you're allowed to fire someone because they didn't work overtime.
Blake Anderson
>overtime lasts forever
Its seasonal. You give up your life for a season and get a fat bonus. Only the truly insane workaholics can work 80+ year round
Ian Long
For dumbasses working at MCuck in bumfuck colorado, maybe.
Ayden Robinson
>facility manager thats literally codeword for janitor.
>what person wants to go into software development
A majority of people apparently. Boot camps and “fast track” programs are literally fucking everywhere. They think they’ll get paid for making games when in reality most game devs make 60k or less
Nolan Morris
>Union dues >Still making 30% more than non-union in same industry Yeah, raped in the ass.
Carter Carter
That's kind of depressing user....
Connor Russell
>proud of being a wagie kek i'm glad i have a job but i'm not "proud" of it. i'll be proud of a job when it makes me far more money than i need and is built largely off of my contributions. just being one gear that's a little bigger than other gears (aka managers) isn't something to be proud of user.
Andrew Gray
American unions spend more time trying to rustle money from Democrat pockets than actually fighting for reasonable working conditions
If they did have a union, I bet the first thing they'd argue for is an increase in wages.
Anthony Cooper
Lmao fuck Fortnite and fuck Fortnite devs.
Mason Cox
Oh boo hoo poor rich game developers, go fucking complain and ill laugh when they replace you with poojits who will work for nothing and counter the expense loss.
Jack Wilson
anyone who says they work over 70 hours a week is 100% lying to your face or is trying to include everything they do like eating and bathing as "work"
Julian Fisher
Do you plan on enjoying that money when you retire at 65 and too tired to do anything?
Great plan bro.
Cameron Bennett
For the entire country in general, genius.
William Wilson
>30k people browsing Yea Forums at all times >all of them must be working for IBM making 100k a year cmon now fag
Camden Howard
>Yes they are. There is a massibe supply and little demand. No they are not. C++ is hard in itself and gamedev is one of the few areas of programming that can actually require further math and physics knowledge. Vast majority of gamedevs are ambitious freshmen from good schools who burn out in a few years
Ryder Cook
Chink lovers got served
Noah Garcia
>chink businessmen are treating their workers like shit in other news water is wet
Asher Anderson
I feel for them but at the same time, why not just find something else? You got Fornite in yout resume it should be easier at least with that qualification. And if you don't quit because you are passionate then i don't know, i would say you are an idiot for being passionate about working 100hrs a week for fucking Fortnite.
Ryan Hughes
you are a cuckold, thats what you are
Jace Davis
Nigga it's not just the Chinese. R* also worked people like 100hr. I don't know how programmers put up with that shit desu.
Isaac Perry
>Treats his own devs like shit I'm sure they're being treated like kings Crunch-time is crunch-time. If you can't/won't handle it, find a different profession, because this job requires a passion. t. Game dev
>C++ is hard in itself >Thinks all the C++ coders come from GameDev
Coders are easy as fuck to replace, this is a literal fact of the programming world. If you said a lack of quality coders then sure I'd agree with you.
But games don't need quality coders, that's why games are unoptimized as fuck.
Connor Nguyen
>what person going into software development as a career would choose videogames as a path after hearing about shit like this That's the thing, they don't hear about it. Or they do and they just do it anyway assuming they won't be stuck with a shitty code monkey position.
People that get into game development are actually mentally disabled. They might be book smart but they have literally no grounding in reality.
Jaxson Butler
god fucking damn it caocao.
Isaac Butler
the map changes a-fucking-lot and there's new guns to be added on monthly basis
Jaxon Williams
you sound like someone who couldnt compile a hello world without errors
Brandon Parker
With Rockstar they came out and said it was completely the employees doing that to themselves. Epic is firing people for not working X amount of hours.
I'm unmarried and don't have a kid. I've traveled to all the places I wanted to go. There's really not much else to do other than work or doing inane things. You'll know how it feels when you grow up, sport.
Jeremiah Perry
>Games don't need quality coders You have no idea how shitty the hardware is that most games need to be able to run on.
Brandon Walker
Seek help.
Lucas Lee
You sound like someone who is ignorant of computer science being one of the most common fucking courses at colleges and universities.
Josiah Robinson
Well not my fault your country is such a shit hole that can't even get workers right. Just saying that unions actually make a lot of sense and maybe it's just America in general that sucks.
Benjamin Martin
there are no fast bootcamps for c++ why is this board so illiterate >hur dur programming is so easy everyone could do it xd
Hudson Perry
Polygon must be stopped, these faghots will cause developers to unionize, ot’s over for western games from there.
Fucking fire anyone who leaks stuff to Jason Cuck Shrierer.
Jackson Allen
>There's really not much else to do other than work Good slave.
Austin Hill
>r* it was the employees doing it >i investigated myself and i have concluded i did nothing wrong Ok user sure.
I'm not American. Britain had pretty good unions but they're getting cut down by socialist fuckwits because Unionists and Socialists don't get along.
Unions DO make alot of sense and are required, but you don't make unions based on low labour values. The Union will need to improve labour values before it becomes effective, and most of those solutions are not very democrat friendly.
John Young
>There's really not much else to do other than work some people have things called friends, you know to hang out with. or hobbies. or they meet a vagina and start a family. just because you've done nothing with your life but work, doesn't mean that's what everyone else wants.
James Sullivan
I don't like unions but the studios are also retards if they think they can crunch people forever and no one is ever gonna notice or complain.
Daniel Jones
Wut I suppose I should expect this sort of retardation from a Botw fan.
Levi Flores
>There's really not much else to do other than work or doing inane things This is the saddest thing I've read on here in a while.
Wait a minute, the whitest states are the ones with the highest average IQ. How could this be?
Austin Cooper
You mean they came out and spun damage control. "Haha yeah they WANT to work terrible hours and be treated like shit, it's OK lol!"
Benjamin Hernandez
Yeah cause places like Alabama are sure the intellectual capital of the nation.
Levi Barnes
Computer science also has one of the lowest graduating rate next to medicine Also C++ is optional in most universities since most people pick something else for the object-oriented courses I went to a pretty good university and there were like 5 people who picked C++ and even that was a single semester
Why would you talk about something you have no knowledge in though
Andrew Murphy
Shut up we can’t let the fucking weebs continue to dab on us, if dev unions are a thing it’s literally over for anything that isn’t live service lootboxfests.
Gavin Sanders
>we can't just sit around and do nothing for 10 years like square-enix devs
Noah Moore
Can I include my 3-4hrs a day commuting as work?
Andrew Gonzalez
funny how they don't mention the crazy amount of overtime pay and bonuses though...
Benjamin Morris
>one or two points one way or the other >wow its fucking nothing
Jacob James
> It's recucklicans that are smarter! > Wait no it's whites! I can move the goalposts too, watch:
Why do the majority of white voters vote non-Red? Hmmmm
Isaac Bennett
If Codemonkeys were so valuable, they wouldn't be so easy to replace and be treated so badly.
So either C++ is less needed than you think or there are more coders able to do C++ because the market will adjust for high value labour easily.
Lincoln Diaz
while they work way more, they're actually creating something at least
Luis Long
Then studios need to stop being fucking retards. Nigga you work people 100hrs a week and then on top of it don't even pay OT sometimes of course people are gonna notice and ask for a solution. What the fuck did you think was gonna happen.
i imagine they get paid ridiculous amounts so who cares. if they didn't want to work on fortnite they could go literally anywhere else, but they wont because they know that they want the money
Samuel Young
>Boss told me i made a poo poo and can’t go on my second vacation this year? Better tell polygon about fake crunch!
These trannies are getting more sad and desperate by the minute.
Matthew Rodriguez
Just remember that all the kids trying to bring you down for enjoying something you do with your life only do so out of jealousy and are probably already posting sad guy memes in another thread complaining about their life for the millionth time.
James Garcia
user how? Im literary unemployed right now and i only have internship experience. Man fuck college i should gone to one of those coding academies instead and gotten some simple coding job. Ahhhhhhhhhhh.
Wyatt Butler
Codemonkey usually means some bootcamp webdev I never heard anyone referring to C++ programmers as codemonkeys. you sound like a butthurt dropout desu ne
Brayden Smith
>c++ programmers and 3d artists are not replaceable trash This is the funniest thing I've ever read, you are so uninformed.
Brody Wright
The absolute state of USA
Meanwhile in Europe - 35 hour workweeks - 1 month paid vacation - sick days are paid - employer gets fucked in court if they try to force you to work more
Jacob Brooks
I'm not. I'm just questioning where your sense of entitlement comes from when C++ devs seem to be able to be crunched hard and replaced if they refuse to work so hard.
I am confused by your lack of skill value awareness, simply put.
Wyatt Martinez
Aren't you the cuck for wasting your life being obedient for green pieces of paper.
The fuck?
Charles Parker
>Why is Tim Sweeney so concerned about treating publishers well with Epic Game Store while he treats his own developers like shit? fixed
Jackson Sanders
A lot of devs don't get OT cause they are exempt. It's fucking ridiculous.
Benjamin Jones
What is there really to live for at that point?
Chase Anderson
Why would a consumer give the slightest shits about developers and their feefees?
Same deal with the epic store in general. Hurf durf the developers get a better deal!!11 So what? Doesn't save me any money or get me a better product.
Leo Powell
Oh, thank you for the anecdote. We should definitely ignore what these people are saying about horrific work conditions because you visited their offices once and it looked comfy.
Tyler Hughes
Slaves who cannot rebel against their chains.
Whole thread.
Fuck outta here with this fake ass neo feudalism.
Jack Sanders
Literally every week there's new weapons and modes and mechanics
Jacob Thompson
You're all fucking poor though. Go to any fucking EU server on a game and it's a fucking poverty zone while you go to any NA one and people are giving away cash shop items for free. Shit the game I play the EU server is dead so they can come buy their subs off of americans. Most of you can't even afford a house or a car. Fuck that.
CUZ ALL THE ZOOMERS WILL GO TO WAR WHERE ILL BE TO OLD TO GO TO WAR IM 35 SO I'LL HAVE A SHINKIDINKI JOB PRODUCING TANKS FOR THE FRONT LINES.
Wyatt Jones
> C++ devs seem to be able to be crunched hard and replaced if they refuse to work so hard. But that's just the video game industry, you can apply the same to any other job in the industry. C++ programmers are very valuable, its a hard language very few people pick instead of java and there are no fast bootcamps for it. If you manage to find a job as a C++ programmer its not hard to start at 6 figures
What do you work as user? you seem like a complete outsider to tech
Benjamin Wright
They're going to keep pushing these 100+ hour weeks until Fortnite begins losing steam. Even now I feel as if the Fortnite fad is slowly dropping as I don't see it nearly as big as it was around S3-4. But as long as Epic pumps out new content and secures crossovers like the Avengers they're going to keep pushing out as much content as they can to keep that cash flowing in.
James Price
ah yes, classic outsourcing fearmongering by corporate lobbyists. if you really think they can easily outsource a process as complex as game dev then you are out of your fucking mind. the thing these corporations don't want you to realize is that the average indian programmer is complete ass at his job, not to mention the cultural schism would cause horrible misunderstandings, mismanagement and other shit that would eventually ruin any chance of saving money by outsourcing.
not to mention that dev salaries is a relatively small part of the budget and they could easily afford to increase them (or hire more people) if these companies weren't hilariously greedy.
i honestly don't get people like you. don't you like video games? why do you have such hatred towards the people who actually make them but at the same time you applaud the people who are behind all the exploitative shit in the games industry?
Nathaniel Allen
I make overtime every week what are you talking about
Wyatt Murphy
Earn less money but healthcare is free, education is free - you get to keep all the money. If one day you're tired of working 35 hours a week you can get unemployment gibs too.
Owen Gray
so you're saying that fortnite, the game that literally prints money, doesnt pay its workers for half the work they do? why stay on then?
Michael Gutierrez
And you games come out sooo good
Austin Roberts
Debt is just an illusion bro. Just get more debt.
Hudson Morris
Are you dense? He’s not against doing his job. His point is the pipeline is fucked. They’re expected to always be working on the next patch but at the same time if something breaks they can’t put it aside temporarily so everything just piles up. It’s like you missed the fact that this article is about being forced into ridiculous work hours.
Jayden Roberts
I work 30 hours a week and I bet I make more than you cuck. I'd still take any offer to lower my time, fuck every single person who thinks work is more important than leisure.
Matthew Anderson
I'm glad I work a cozy well paying salary job in academia doing aerospace and planetary sciences research. I get to play with and build cool shit and me and my coworkers are actually not replaceable. The only times I've ever even been in my lab longer than 40 hours a week was when getting projects ready for flight or vibe testing, and it was always a blast because my coworkers are great and the stuff we do kicks ass.
Nathaniel Adams
>forced they are free to quit whenever they want to
Noah Thomas
This is the price for capitalism.
Thomas Davis
Work gives meaning to life. Why do you think millionaires don't retire?
Ryan Green
USA slaves away and make games Meanwhile we enjoy them plus all our free time. Europe is absolutely based for work/life balance
Nathan Diaz
i suppose, i would reevaluate your work options though friend, 15 hours a week commuting minimum is no way to live life
Adrian Evans
>being this much a corporate bootlicker
I hope all you mouth breathers are begging on the streets when the AIpocalypse comes. You deserve this.
Aaron Cook
Anyone here with kids? Does the little shit dab? Was watching some sports and it cut to kids dabbing and I almost turned it off. It needs to stop
Gabriel Barnes
>not just being the manager that tells everyone to work double shifts this week and then just go home yourself
Only western europe. Eastern europe is hundred times worse than the US
Robert Parker
But he's right, you retarded mutt. Maybe if you didn't spend trillions in military, you'd actually have better healthcare and education, so you wouldn't make stupid posts like this.
Joshua Thompson
I dont understand this retarded mentality >Hey lets fix something >No you cant >Why? >Because I got fucked in the ass by the problem and everyone needs to be fucked in the ass like I did
Austin Brown
t. sheltered entitled middleclass larping as communist
Eli Johnson
That's how our prisoners get treated wtf. So it's like a daycare where you can't decide for yourself if you want any of that?
Liam Thomas
>Work gives meaning to life Fuck outta here with that shitty mentality. Work is a means to an end. If you like your job, good for you. But if you're an unmarried 35 year old working for 80 hours every week, you might as well just be dead.
Nicholas Bailey
Cucked boomers
Logan Carter
>100h >week >my work week is 37.5h
Luis Smith
Still better than being an unmarried 35 years old who is unemployed
Kayden Roberts
crabs in the bucket always wanna have a brother
Jackson Lee
Probably nothing compared to when I cut off my own fingers to sell to the black market.
Carter Scott
It's not that deep.
It doesn't matter what position or job I'm in, if I'm the boss and employees are complaining to some random journalist about how they're unhappy, they're gone.
Someone has to spend trillions on the military and it won’t be you rapefugee havens. Everyone shittalks the US’s defense budget but then gets salty as shit when the US doesn’t do what the UN wants. You expect us to be your countries’ private defense force and do it for free, but mock us for spending so much money on it.
Luis Brooks
What the fuck are you even talking about?
How is not dealing with bullshit being a corporate bootlicker? I'm unemployed because I quit my job. Because I DISLIKED IT.
Grow a fucking pair. Staying is being a bootlicker, if anything.
Carter Jones
>chink base company use chink rules on employees Kek
Mason Nelson
Yo Destruction rebirths new things.
We dont say reeee everytime winter comes around. We go through winter knowing that spring will be here soon.
With a new age we need a new way to do old things.
>ugh your problems dont matter try stupid millenials!!! Lmao pussy you think steel erecting is hard, try being in a north korean death camp then tell me your comfy job where you get paid and whole family doesnt get raped and executed is hard
Parker Long
Epic will be bankrupt by August 2021 screen cap this
Jacob Sanders
This shit is why most decent programmers don't go anywhere near the games industry. It's fucking sweatshop level work conditions.
Landon Moore
You’re a fucking loser dude. I got a bud who’s a department manager at Menards. He makes 70,000 a year and works 100 hours every week. His wife left him with the kids because he never has time for her and he got a pay cut for taking time off to deal with his divorce. You’re gonna wind up just like him, man. Don’t waste your entire life working. There’s a reason 40 hours is the norm. I work 25 and that’s too much for me. But I’m a dentists so I still pull 100k and go fishing at 2 in the afternoon everyday
Noah Cook
it always amuses me when foreigners mock the US defense budget, being that they probably fall under our umbrella of protection. if I was made president, the very first thing I would do is leave all military alliances, scale back the military, and cease all foreign aid. we isolationist USA now.
Gavin Roberts
>tfw americans literally don't comprehend why overworking for free to make money for someone else is degrading I don't get it. It's simple, if you overwork for a job without getting additional income then you're getting fucked. Unless you have active and strong vested interest ie : you're the CEO or you have stocks
Who’s gonna do the job when you fire the complainers, dipshit. You? You gonna run 35 stations that are down a person?
If employees are pulling 100 hour weeks you’re already breaking the fucking bank paying out OT; if you haven’t doubled the size of your active workforce to reduce that expense, then it’s because getting new hires or temps up to speed is not economically feasible. If you can’t easily supplement your labor force, what makes you think you can easily replace it?
Lincoln Hill
UK here
Unions are fucking shit
>tube drivers crying about getting paid 50k and having to work in shifts >lol better strike
Not the guy that you're responding to, but I was thinking earlier that if I were a game dev, I'd probably put up with A LOT of bullshit to get and keep a job at Epic. They're a very prestigious studio.
Jose Wood
non-disclosure agreements related to poor working conditions should not be legally valid
Xavier Gonzalez
They’re getting paid OT for their time. They just don’t want to be.
Christopher Stewart
Swheeny is using the proud chinese 996 method, I don't see the problem.
Kayden Rodriguez
Who gives a fuck
As long they kill off valve and steam
Jonathan Cooper
>>Employees said that if deadlines get missed because someone took leave or even weekends off, that person would be fired. That sounds like silly fabrication, you're not going to fire the guys you're absolutely dependent on to keep your golden goose healthy Hiring and training new people takes time
Jordan Thompson
>working 80 hours a week as a janitor I respect the fact that you haven't killed yourself yet, either have a will of titanium or you're too low IQ to realise how shit your life is.
Jaxson Thompson
>doesn't happen to me, it doesn't happen by your logic people don't die you fucking ignorant dog shit.
Alexander Sullivan
This.
Adrian Hernandez
The defense budget deserves to be mocked asshole. You think it all goes to keeping joe fed and equipped? Most of it disappears into money sinks never to be seen again becausr the military industrial complex lines their pockets with it and bribes leaders for more. We could take so much of the money dedicated to the defense budget and use it to take care of our own people but some rich contractor spun this PR web to trick misguided "patriots" into defending their bottom lines because they think the troops will see a fucking dime of that money. Stop defending the MIC, they are raping our country and no one benefits but them
Josiah Bennett
>implying I was defending the MIC when I even put in my own post I would scale back the military. you're right it should be mocked, but I think you misunderstood the intent with my post. we'd be more able to keep up with social programs like them if we weren't providing for their defense.
Evan Thomas
Do you have any source for that? I seriously doubt it. I understand if people want to work as little as possible and make money with the least amount of effort but you should accept that not everyone is satisfied with a life like that.
>I work 25 and that’s too much for me. But I’m a dentists I extremely doubt you are a dentist with that attitude when medical school is considered the hardest with insane hours for years. Most doctors I know are really hard working, working more than 8 hours a day. My dermatologist works at 3 different places every single week for example. My GP works at a hospital every day after practicing. Someone who is willing to put hours into studying every day for 6-8 years straight is not gonna aim to work with the least amount of energy possible
Landon Hughes
>America is not capitalist >the absolute state of the American education system
They cant afford to lose everyone but they can afford to lose a few and no one wants to be the first one to stand up and risk being the guy who loses his job. Same reason why one person with a gun can hold off a crowd. Sure they ALL can take him down if they work together, but someones still getting shot in the meantime and no one wants to be them
Leo Russell
>about to finish my master's >need to start job hunting AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
It doesn’t work this way for salaried employees and I think you know that. You’re paid x amount of money to do y. You work until y is done. You don’t get bonuses on top of x (except maybe Christmas bonus) for working 100 hours.
Gavin Myers
just avoid game dev and try not to work in america, you'll be fine
i assume you're talking about some form of software engineering degree
Samuel Young
They're going to milk it for now, no sense in hiring a huge crew or additional infrastructure for what is a fad that will slow down before too long.
Leo Gray
>you can apply the same to any other job in the industry Exactly, a whole sector is fucked by these kinds of practices, not just in India. Good C++ programmers are valuable and the pay can be very reasonable or lucrative but they STILL HAVE THE SAME TURNOVER AS ANY PROGRAMMING JOB.
Carter Torres
Being a game developer is a trash job. Anybody mildly familiar with the industry knows this. These people deserve to be stepped on.
Leo Lee
Eisenhower literally warned us the MIC was taking over on his way out. That was a lifetime ago. You think theyve just been sitting quietly since then? Bet you think its just a nice coincidence JFK was about to help us avoid a nice expensive little money sink before a lone gunman took him out and then was conceniently silenced himself while in custody. Our military leadership is not resolute -- Fat Leonard mean anything to you? Our leaders can be corrupted by whores and nice food. But tell me more about how a multibillion dollar industry with billions to make or lose couldnt possibly do anything they want. Sheep.
Nathan Morris
>It doesn’t work this way for salaried employees and I think you know that. You’re paid x amount of money to do y. You work until y is done. You don’t get bonuses on top of x (except maybe Christmas bonus) for working 100 hours. What? Overtime hours and overtime bonus is a thing
Michael Torres
>i assume you're talking about some form of software engineering degree no not at all but I can see how that could be assumed i could have clarified, ah well
i considered emigrating but I'm dirt poor as is and not real sure where to go honestly. I considered some european country with a high happiness rating but with the mudslime tsunami, why even bother
Sebastian Nguyen
They’re not, at all, but do you want to take Epic to court after you were made unemployed to try and prove it?
Blake Wright
The true redpill is that the closer to Canada you are the more intelligent you are
I'm a dev in a Russian studio and we've been crunching for at least 5 months now, but I've never seen anyone work over 50 hours a week and we're paid per hour so I don't really mind. So no, nobody has it worse than AAA studios. In AAA studios than can fuck you extra hard because they have the brand name to attract new talent, much harder to do for a small studio in the middle of nowhere.
Luis Cruz
americans have been told since birth that all it takes to become CEO is working hard they believe that some day THEYLL be the CEO of their company if they put in that extra work its actually really sad if you think about it, but its how their society works
Joseph Lee
Repeat after me: Unions are not a panache for poor working conditions.
Daniel Stewart
200% based, fuck portbeggers
Ian Robinson
What I don't understand is why the work week hours don't get reduced to something like 32-35 hours instead of 40.
rofl i love it when people get their education through memes made by coping americans
i see a non-white person once a week in my european country
James Roberts
Why are people so willing to bootlick their employers? Fuck at will employment and Epic Games.
Grayson Edwards
>paid OT Reread the OP, friend
Zachary Clark
>panache Do you mean panacea?
Carter Cook
because the people who set those hours aren't the ones that work them
Robert Young
If you have to make your workers do 70 to 100 hours a week and fire them for not doing voluntary overtime, maybe there is a problem.
Elijah Sanders
Yeah, I'm sure all the millionaires work desk jobs in their spare time just because it's so fulfilling. Wake up man, they work on millionaire shit, doing engaging and demanding work. And they again get to keep the fruit of their own labors.
William Ramirez
If you acctually cared about working in games you would always work 100 hour weeks. If the only reason you work is for the money and you won't put your heart and soul into your job then you don't actually care about your job and firing you is just made easier.
Bentley Moore
The article talks about how they get fat bonuses to compensate for their hours
>“Most employees don’t mind crunching if you are giving them three times their salary in bonuses. A lot of people leave. They come in, think to themselves ‘I am gonna stick it out for four bonus checks, and then I am out’.” >“Everyone understands. You are being paid more money than most people will ever make in their careers anywhere else. Your time is bought and accounted for; shut up, keep your head down, and do the work.
Ryan Martin
>meanwhile in Japan >I see you're working less hours this week Hiro-sama, that's coming out of your salary.
>Europe >35 hour workweeks I live in Spain and the average work week here is 40 hours, and you often get forced to work overtime, I mean, you can refuse, but if you do your boss is gonna fire you as soon as he finds(or just makes one up) an excuse, you can try to sue them but this country is too corrupt, you aren't going to win.
Mason Brooks
If you think it's so easy, why don't you just change jobs? They would hire you in a heart beat with the insane turnovers they have.
Dominic Campbell
The only sad thing is the nihilistic attitude people have >Dude if you dont become a CEO making 7 figures dont even work This kind of thinking used to be laughable even if you were a teenager and nowdays everywhere I go I see these polarizing opinions. What the fuck happened? is it autism?
You will burn out at this rate. Doesn't matter do you love it or not, watching while upper managment doing nothing while you work hard, you will start care less about things since it's only normal reaction.
Benjamin Butler
This is such a convenient attitude to take for the person not actually doing it. You shouldn't have to sacrifice your health and life for any job, you should be free to decide to do so but making it necessary is ridiculous.
Kevin Ross
There are a lot of people in this thread who have fallen for the jews' bullshit and became corporate bootlicks.
Oh yeah, and it's not paid overtime, since it's "voluntary".
Nolan Fisher
>putting your heart and soul into fartnite I can't imagine anything sadder
Isaiah Turner
>work for 12 hours, get home, sleep >wake up, repeat >only gets one month to do literally anything for himself >spends all that time alone, not even with friends >Basically has no life outside of work >posts on Yea Forums as his source of human interaction That sounds terrible user. If you don't mind I'm going to go mini golfing with some friends after work then we're gunna play some multiplayer minecraft on our server.
Ian Jones
>Densest population of people. >Military response to all protests. >People literally working themselves to dead for meager pay. Japan is a powder keg next to an oil tanker and a fire works factory.
Isaac Allen
>Most doctors I know are really hard working, working more than 8 hours a day The average time spent doing actual work for a Doctor in America per day is less than 3 hours.
Note that "actual work" in this context refers to either directly examining/treating a patient or doing research for a specific patient. I doubt you know any doctors.
Aiden Sanders
Bet they're paid a ton. If they weren't they'd leave. Wooow
Jace Roberts
>The average time spent doing actual work for a Doctor in America per day is less than 3 hours. Isn't that true for almost every office job?
Landon Perez
>Yea Forums is composed of NEETs What other info you got?
Nicholas Johnson
>unionfag
Eli Perez
>Claim you have an illness. >Don't show up to work for years. >Still get payed because the law says so. Fucking glorious. Seen it happen.
Jack Roberts
Corporate bootlicker.
Gavin Evans
not everyone you disagree with is a discord tranny you useless neet
Gabriel Myers
all managers should be hanged >t. engineer
Wyatt Diaz
I thought he was gonna say he was the 38 year old chef at wendys
Connor Ward
Get a job, retard. You're not paid for your heart and soul, you're paid to follow instruction. If you don't want to follow instruction and want to follow your heart instead, you're fired.
Jace Jones
oh no! this might bring the train of positive news epic have been involved in to a screeching halt.
Luis Foster
Asians are inherently collectivist and cold. They will never break the status quo. They dont care enough about the individual to stop each other being mulched by escalstors or flattened in the streets let alone fight an overwhelmingly oppressive culture
Asher Reyes
Considering how much money is to be made you wouldn't stop grinding either.
Adrian Foster
Sure you do, muhammed
Landon Brown
>shitty code monkey position
I dont know, Im a shitty code monkey who works on boring enterprise software, my lifes pretty fucking comfy. I'll take decent paid no stress work over game development hell any day.
Man this honestly sounds pretty sad. Not in a condescending way but there's more to life than work. I say that as someone working 70h myself but I do something I love and I'm not employed by some shitty company. Nobody's on his deathbed wishing they'd spent more time working.
Dylan Baker
Nah. There are retards who literally dedicate their entire life to working for the same company 70-100 hours a week.
Chase Morris
Islam is based, you infidel degen.
David Morgan
In Spain you need a certificate from a doctor saying you can't work if you want to to that, but if you manage to get one and get it renewed everytime it expires then yeah, you could probably do that, good luck convincing the doctor though.
Julian Foster
>facility manager janitor buddy, it's called J A N I T OR
Maritime sector. Its "only" six months in a year though.
Nathan Nguyen
Yeah but you know that feeling when you go to sleep and you try not to think that everything you do in life is absolutely meaningless and you're just spiraling towards death? People who work in careers they're passionate about don't get that. That's why they do it.
Leo Rivera
Every culture has its breaking point. I can guarantee you we will see it happen in our life time if things don't improve for the workers. Japan is falling apart at the seams, just look at their plummeting birth rates and rising suicide numbers. The people there have almost lost everything. At the point they truly lose everything they will rebel. It's a story as old as time.
Austin Garcia
what's the point of having a high paid job if you have no time to enjoy the money
Levi Jones
You do it for a few years and then retire
Hunter Gomez
>if you serve well enough, you'll be happy and never depressed! The satisfaction of doing good work and pleasing master is soooo fulfilling! Obey! Theyll never say this but thanks for keeping those boots clean
I personally know 2 people that've been sitting at home for over a year and still getting paid for such a flimsy excuse. And it's not like they're in bed all day and suffering oh so much. They still do what they used to do in their private life except now they get to do it fulltime.
Jaxon Morgan
If it takes more effort, skill, and time to do y, x is bigger.
Leo Richardson
There is no point of counting the working hours like that. Do you think programmers who work 10 hours a day spend all 10 hours writing code? >I doubt you know any doctors. I doubt you actually worked in your life if you make such a retarded argument. Even if their job is relatively easier, like a dermatologist who spends most his time prescribing drugs, they often work overtime, work at multiple places, work in more than one field, have to be able to make very serious decisions at any time. I'm not from the US but the doctors I know don't aim for the lowest effort jobs and work more than almost any other profession I know.
Logan Cruz
this seems possible if you're high up in the company management ladder, but impossible if you're just a yes man.
Liam Sanders
Based
Jackson Campbell
>posts full pseud WOAH SACRED GEOMETRY image with a bunch of meaningless platitudes >also posts a bunch of unrelated generic rock songs ???? Is this what teenagers think passes for le deep intelligence these days?
Benjamin Hill
No, the satisfaction comes from learning your craft and knowing you will be able to use those skills in your own project that you actually care about. If you're a craftsman who cares about his craft every job is a learning experience. I don't care about my job or the game I work on, but I do care about my skills a lot, I care about them more than literally anything.
Joshua Diaz
>play with your desk toys all day >have to stay late to do half of your days work >bitch and moan
Juan Perry
Depends on how you want to retire. If you're ready to move to small town and live a low cost life, it's pretty easy to retire
Josiah Myers
Youd think muslims would want to escape their culture of illiteracy and death but they love it so much they bring it with them even when they escape it, their women even take pride in their oppression by holding their hijabs up as some symbol of cultural pride and unity and diversity
Leo Barnes
His developers get paid very well for working so much. Epic Games are based and you are a cuck.
Kayden Brooks
>Epic Games is a chink sweat shop wow who would have thought it's not like they can afford to hire more employees, money is tight, right?
Joshua Peterson
27 and I feel the same. Life is not worth living if youre not 1% trust fund babby
John Gutierrez
>Why do you think millionaires don't retire? Most do retire for all intents and purposes and just sit on their shares
Gavin King
Good they will burnout and die like every other meme successful game studio. Sooner the better I hope all the talent quits and makes their own studio Wagie ragie
This has nothing to do with the thread topic you fucking imbecile.
David Scott
you have to divide the gross income by worked hours to get your real income
Justin Gutierrez
I work 35 hours a week, I earn enough and I feel I dont have enough time in my life. I feel that my life is passing by, by wasting these 35 hours weekly. How the fuck can you live like that? Truly living like a slave nigger, not even like the modern lazy niggers who live from foodstamps
Gavin Ross
Theres a shitton of places you work like a slave. Why dont these faggots just leave? If they had any iq left they would threaten the company to leave and not get buillied by them like pussies instead. Losing someone who knows what to do costs a shitton. They cant just hire new people and make them go do 70 hours as if they know what to do. If you cant man up and give your boss an ultimatum youre a loser for lifetime. If they still act faggotrish fucking leave and work on getting your life better with a better job. Might as well kys yourself instead
Benjamin Richardson
I cant believe this shit. Is this how its suppoed to be in America the land of the free? And they have the guts of saying that communism enslave people, whats the difference between a slave and you other than the fancy title of "free man"?
Benjamin Jones
>proud of being the owner's bitch he's laughing at you every night for being his house nigger
Asher White
Muslims have a common enemy they can sink their hate into. And they have a strong religious focus which brings them purpose in life, however misguided. What does the Japanese worker have except for a boss they don't respect, endless work, no real purpose in life except for slaving away, and a family they barely have contact with because they never see them? The Japanese their souls are being crushed and they get no fullfilling purpose for it in return. They live and empty life with no promise of release or reward at the end. That's enough to drive anyone mad.
Ethan Walker
If thats so easy why dont you do that?
John Turner
>b-but this Shut the fuck up port beggars
Jackson Ward
> if it ain’t lifting it ain’t work!
Spoken like a true redneck
Tyler Gomez
This, I feel like Im the only person in Europe that has a VR system sometimes. Not to mention shit like full body tracking, Id be surprised if there were more pollacks like me so invested in this meme gimmick fad that is already over
Daniel Murphy
Yes ignore one anecdote in favor of another.
Asher Peterson
Because I don't have shares to sit on? All I'm pointing out is the idea that they don't retire is wrong, most millionaires will work until their fifties and then de facto retire and largely just sit on their share money doing only the occasional bits of work when necessary. It's pretty much what Bill Gates did
Julian Garcia
Holy shit... what the fuck did I just read? Go see a psychologist immediately.
Samuel Campbell
based, lets drink to that
Jackson Richardson
I'm not from the US.
Thomas Moore
>If something breaks – a weapon, say – then we can’t just turn it off and fix it with the next patch. It has to be fixed immediately This is unironically a good thing.
Evan Hall
> All I'm pointing out is the idea that they don't retire is wrong, most millionaires will work until their fifties And why do they work until their fifties if they could retire in their 20s or 30s?
Jonathan Davis
maybe just kys
Christian Rogers
Why doesn't this chart have any supplementary descriptions?
Samuel Mitchell
just because you're wasting your life doesnt mean we all should
Isaiah Perry
>40 percent is majority american education everyone
Henry Jenkins
>If something breaks – a weapon, say – then we can’t just turn it off and fix it with the next patch Things don't just "break" for no reason. You were probably changing something in the code involving that gun and you fucked something up. So yes it's entirely fair that you should fix your own fucking mistake.
Josiah Jackson
Jack Ma Shit Up
Nathaniel Evans
Yeah you just spend crying 5 hours a day on the internet that you are poor and the economy is bad
Joseph Morales
Because most of them couldn't retire in their 20's and 30's. Most spend their 20's and 30's actually building the company up. Once that's done and it's established they can retire as share holders and hand the work off to someone else. Either that or they'll just sell all their shares like Notch did. Plus most millionaires have a lot more flexibility in their schedule, they're not doing mind numbing wage slave shit like most people do.
Brody Adams
>even the liberals don't trust unions
The Reagan landslides broke their brains something fierce, Bill Clinton's whole deal back in '92 was "yeah I'm a liberal but I'm not one of those spend-crazy nutjobs."
Angel Gonzalez
cope
Chase Harris
>"yeah I'm a liberal but I'm not one of those spend-crazy nutjobs" How is this not a great selling point? Could you imagine if the modern Democrat party were able to get someone with this much political sense?
Ryder Bailey
>americans so brainwashed that they criticize people who would rather not work slave hours for a huge corporation god i hate this fucking country
Jose Collins
You act like retiring after more than 30 years of work is the equivalent of inheriting a billion dollars and not working a day in life
Daniel Hernandez
>There's really not much else to do other than work or doing inane things >80 hour weeks >proud holy shit HOLY FUCKING SHIT you cant POSSIBLY actually think this this must be some kind of very good bait
Even if it was a ploy it was relatively rational. They dont want us rational. They were just building us up to be angry, distracted, and divided
Austin Lopez
i dont know why everyone is so angry at the guy working long hours. some people love to work.
Jeremiah Ross
>doesn't stand up and keeps working terrible hours >"lmao why don't they just leave? if you can't stand up to your superiors you deserve shitty hours"
>does stand up, gets fired and can't find another job in very competitive industry >"lmao serves him right for complaining, sit down and do your job code monkey"
Not what I'm saying at all, this just seems to be the strawman you want to interpret my point as. I'm replying to the claim that most millionaires work eternally because work in inherently rewarding, I'm saying they don't and they tend to retire early for exactly that reason. Work is a means to an end for the vast majority of people, you'll get the occasional people who either have something they're extremely passionate about, but most people hate it and just work so they can afford to do or work on things they actually enjoy and care about. You aren't going to find many people other than turboautists who're passionate about code monkeying for 100s of hours per week.
Isaac Price
>free
[laughs in taxes]
Cameron Thomas
I went to dental school not med school. Huge difference. I got a bachelors in dental hygiene and worked as one while I did 4 years of grad school for dental. I’m a part time dentist is a national chain so I can pick my hours and what not.
Robert Brown
Because he's passionate about being a janitor which means he's probably insane.
Nicholas Reyes
Yes. Its probably the worst programming job you could get. >some of the lowest pay for a programmer >also some of the longest hours >little to no career growth >massive turnover >boring work, youre not actually designing anything. Youll probably just wittle away at braindead routines >despite all this, its an oversaturated field because theres so many retards who think they want to be a dev cause they play vidya
I am grateful that so many tards jump on the dev bandwagon though. Makes the other jobs more lucrative.
You’re an HOURLY employee. I’m talking about the people who get paid 67,406/ year to do a job. Most are exempt from ot so they don’t get bonus pay. No random dev makes 67k and then gets 1.5 that also if he does 80 hour work weeks.
Joshua Hill
>I'm replying to the claim that most millionaires work eternally Strawman. I never said millionaires work eternally. It makes complete sense to retire around 50 even if you love your job. I said millionaires (and generally people who can afford to do so) dont retire at the very moment they possibly could. If millionaires had a work ethic of opting for an easier life as soon as they can, they would not be millionaires. Your view on life is nihilistic. if you are past 18 its embarrassing
Owen Mitchell
Every other month there's another story about some game company overworking their devs with slave hours. How long is this gonna keep happening until something changes?
Isaiah Murphy
we call those people "goyim"
Matthew Murphy
>facility manager LMAO
Juan Cooper
I make a 4th of what you do yet still have a way more fufilling life.
Why are you grinding away to make a quarter of million if you live alone? Do you realize that on half that you can live extremely lucratively if you spend it all on yourself? Cut your hours in half my dude.
Levi Young
Americans are retards. When their cities are drowning in melted glacier, they'll still be crying about Mexicans and Muslims.
Connor Nguyen
Until idiots stop going into these jobs thinking "I love games, being a dev for some corporation is great!" en masse. Supply and demand. As soon as people wise up and stop going for these shit deals, coders are going to be more valuable and will be able to negotiate better hours and pay. At that point companies can do shit all about it.
Jace Ross
Less mexicans
Christopher Hughes
>The Workers need to have leverage for a Union to work
Imagine being this retarded, the most unionized jobs in this country are high school drop out tier jobs in the service industry. These workers have 0 leverage yet unionized just fine.
They work to maximise the security of their retirement. They mostly want the comfiest retirement possible and a few extra years for extra millions is usually worth it and gives you more options once you retire. Retiring earlier not only means you'll be retiring on less, but that you'll also have to sustain yourself for longer, which is why most don't retire in their 20's. Very few people are ever even millionaires in their 20's in the first place, their 20's and 30's are usually spent building the company. My view isn't nihilistic at all, people work to support their other interests, which may in and of themselves require work but just aren't profitable enough to sustain as a job. Very few people are going to get to do jobs that're actually rewarding or enjoyable, most jobs are boring as hell and stressful, particularly if there's good pay in it.
Isaac Cook
>graduated a few months ago with an easy as fuck MIS degree and effortlessly got a job >over 100k salary >work around 20 hours a week; usually show up at noon to the office >manager carpools me back home (never got a license because too much work) and we play vidya together >usually spend my time at work shitposting on Yea Forums and playing vidya on my phone or laptop In fact, I’m doing both right now. I can’t imagine actually working for more than 25 hours a week, and being hounded to work faster by your boss. Must suck.
Ryan Bailey
and some people love to wear furry suits and pretend that they are a leopard while being fucked by another dude pretending he is a liger, but somehow they got shit on for it
Andrew Cruz
Not him but it's really fucking easy to find software work so long as you keep up with the language craze of the year. My last job started demanding us to work weekends so we all just up and left save for the H-1B hires. Everyone got another job in the span of a couple months at most
Only if you have 10years of experience using that specific language professionally or willing to lie through the whole interview.
Connor Baker
If you pay Union Fees it wasn't free.
Brandon Torres
Too burnt out.
Leo Martinez
Cool fantasy, bro. Show your fucking bank statement, faggot.
David Garcia
Based leafchads
Elijah Richardson
I pay 15 dollars a month for free health care and no co-pay. I'm not complaining.
Elijah Ward
The width of the human life quality spectrum is fucking incredibly wide, man. It's haunting. Not even delving in history, just thinking about today we got; >literal slaves in chinese factories working to almost death in buildings with locked and barbed wired rooftops so they don't kill themselves by jumping >billionares living each second of life in unending ecstasy and pleasure
Sounds like he's about to fuck you bro. Plug your butt
Henry Diaz
>go to law school >graduate 150k in debt >70-80 hour weeks >make 40k a year, and that's being optimistic with bonuses FUCK. Law is the biggest meme profession and it fucked up my life.
Andrew Hall
I could really go for some pidser and koler
damn
Justin Rodriguez
Funny how both have about the same suicide rate
Julian James
you're supposed to make money out of defending rich pedos, corporations, etc
Andrew Bailey
Maybe because one of them is barred with barbed wire from commiting suicide?
Adrian Martin
The 10 years of experience piece is a copout used so if a developer fucks up the coding challenge we can point to the years of experience so they don't say it's because of discrimination or whatever bullshit excuse of the year. Course you'll have a manager or HR that take the number literally, but it tends to mean it's a shitty place to work at
Or maybe because being on drugs 24/7 tends to make you insane
Hudson Gray
>Not even delving in history, just thinking about today the gap today is much bigger because there's so much more shit you can do, but the poor people are still basically living in the middle ages
Carter Rogers
where you do you live
Jace Baker
Not all 8 hour jobs are created equal user. I used to cook and I would come home drenched in sweat from hustling in the kitchen for 6 hours straight. Now I sit in an office (or at home, depending on how I'm feeling) and slack off.
True enough. A life of hedonistic excess must be exhausting. But it doesn't make me very sympathetic to them.
Isaiah Cook
Too bad the rich pedos don't actually pick fresh lawyers in their twenties to represent them.
Mason Cook
All those hours are probably what keeps the game updating so quickly, which is a big reason why it's so popular. I'm sure those hard workers are seeing a nice share of those billions in profiahahahaha
Ethan Howard
>A life of hedonistic excess must be exhausting
hum yes, the exhausting nature of getting your cock sucked by five bielorussian highend escorts
sounds like you live in an actually nice country. Try living in america where you work 45-50, only get 22% out of your taxes but end up paying up to 40 percent in dumb shit like health insurance that you have to negotiate with for them to cover things (before you pretend i have shit insurance i have Blue Cross Blue Shield) and have barely any tax programs that actually help you.
Brody Scott
Hook a nigga up with that comfy life
Brayden Ramirez
No working a job is your trade off for living in a civilization. You are guaranteed food shelter and even sex if you are attractive. and in exchange for survival you work a job that you may or may not like.
Jace Hughes
Fuck...if this is true, this is actually a really good reason not to support the Epic Store. This is indefensible behavior.
Joshua Cook
>working 100 hours per week so 8 year-olds can play pew-pew game wew lad
Jeremiah Barnes
I can imagine having every whim fullfilled without having to put any real effort into it or ever being really at risk must make your life seem pretty empty. Still doesn't mean I'm sympathetic to them. They had a choice and they chose to be miserable. They are the people who had the most choice in not being miserable and they didn't have the discipline to make the right one.
Gabriel Thompson
B-BUT 30%
Isaac Wilson
there is no concept of 40% majority ownership you fucking mongoloid
Jose Price
Good thing Epic is spending 3M+ per game they make exclusive. I'm sure the code monkeys are happy with that...
Evan Morris
every developer there has epic shares, so they work but get a shitton of money back based basement dwelling retards
Connor Foster
So you do that for a month, what next? Happiness is about shit getting better. If your shit is perfect, it won't ever get better and you won't be happy. It's not about how good it is, it's about how much better it is than it used to be
Zachary Sanchez
If youre that easily replaced you are earning exactly what your worth. People are just going to have to come to terms with the increasing competition in the job market due to ease of access to education these days. Supply/demand, you retarded children
Thomas Martinez
how about your office politics? you need to trip some people off in this corporate world to get anywhere
Michael Thomas
>free health care >I pay 15 dollars It's not free.
Ian Taylor
>so you have two houses and 3 boats based neet doesnt understand what work is in successful companies like epic
Liam Reyes
I can see them pulling a Rockstar when the game was blowing up, but that was FIVE SEASONS AGO. Literally 14 months.
There's no way they're still stressing right now the same way a company releasing a full game was and this is blatant clickbait meant to anger liberals pushing for "gaming unions".
You eat some good food, play fifa on your 2048K TV, go to sleep cuddling with your mail bride from Colombia and then repeat it tomorrow.
Jason Bell
>Tencent >begin 996 schedule
Landon Barnes
Everyone works on their own stuff, so there aren't really any prime opportunities to ride to the top on the backs of others. The job market is grossly oversaturated and the firms know that they can do whatever the fuck they want with new blood.
Parker Rogers
1% of the people working on these companies to do this.Everyone else is paying 5k in rent for a one bedroom.
Isaac Turner
Reminder that Fortnite Battle Royale is an Early Access game.
Nicholas Brooks
M8 the average code monkey does not have 2 houses and 3 boats what are you chatting
Austin Smith
>485 / 56 / 225 / 1 This was a depressing fucking thread, Yea Forums. Hit home. Goodbye.
If BR was EA it wouldn't be on Switch. The only reason they keep StW in EA is because Sony and Microsoft have approval processes for patches for full games. They'd either have to remove crossplay or stop updating weekly.
Gavin Cook
What do the people making money in your firm do?
Logan Edwards
>this is the future commies want
FOR THE CHINESE MOTHERLAND
Andrew Morris
lol
Chase Hughes
I wonder how "people" like you even function.
Thomas Evans
he really doesn't understand. amazin
Ethan Thompson
>Numerous reports of game devs working ridiculous hours >they get fired for anything >Laughable wages (averaging around $50,000) >Not even AAA companies offer even the pension or employee share plan >terrible vacation >Laughable bonuses for all that work >Four years of formal education required to be a slave >Skilled laborers in a field that should be considered a trade
Jesus christ is the american labor force this cucked into thinking unions are still bad? How is it a bunch of high school drop outs managed to unionize dock workers and train conductors and yet these ((educated)) workers cant even organize to make a decent wage.
Not to mention half of game devs are zoomer pandering communist you would think they would already be drinking the union Kool-aid
you don't need unions to protect your rights as a worker
Juan Walker
why in the fuck would anyone own a boat lmfao
Ayden Cruz
This. Why the fuck would I make "friends" with coworkers when I'm still easily in touch with the ones I had in school?
Jose Garcia
Americans have no class consciousness. Why do you think a third of the country thinks a Manhattan billionaire is one of the unwashed masses?
Jeremiah Rivera
we work hard so our boss can buy his 5th house and 2nd yacht
he deserves it for working harder than us and pulling up his bootstraps
Evan Wood
you can build protection agains floods +watch vids about where all Ice is melted and it is not as severe as you may think
Elijah Rogers
Unions won’t fix shit. Conditions are crap in the industry because videogames are a fucking stupid way to make money, they’re a total crapshoot. So if investors expect to make money they have to make OBSCENE amounts when they do get a hit to make up for the sheer number of duds (remember most game projects don’t even get announced, let alone released, let alone make money). It’s not simply a case of “muh elitist moneybags monopoly guy won’t pay us enough”, it’s just that the industry is fuckin dumb and the only reason to work in it is because you love what you do and/or you have skin in the game. What UNIONS would do is just make games even more expensive to make because developers are more expensive to hire, forcing devs to make fewer games to an even lower common denominator. Fewer game projects means fewer devs, which means all this extra money you’re promising is just gonna go to whatever lucky devs get to keep their job and no work for the rest of them.
But then unions are pushed by socialists, and since fucking when have they ever understood a goddamn thing about economics?
Bentley Morales
>brags about not being fucked in the ass metaphorically >while being set up to be literally fucked in the ass
Just make sure he's gentle, you'll want that, trust me. If he's got 20 or so years on you, you can take advantage of the stamina disparity to do less.
