Played this for the second time since last year...

The Gutter alone has more to do than the entirety of DaS3.

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Ds2 is by far the worst. I bought the original and sotfs. It’s all very bad.

Just play all of the Dark Souls games and form your own opinion. Seriously, this is the worst place to listen to for advice, especially on controversial topics like this.

>The level design is godlike.

It's literally a bunch of small arenas connected with walkways and fenced off with knee high walls or bottomless pits.
Play Dark Messiah or Thief for some actual good level design.

This, you'll like some games in the series more and might even dislike others, but you can't have Yea Forums decide your opinion for you. About anything.

FUNFACT

The oficial prima guide for Dask Souls 3 was the first guide to include YouTube links in it, because they had to fill up the guide with something to make it as big as the other games.

ds2 is garbage, it has a rabit cult following from pvpfags that defent it to the death

Most areas have optional sections with cool shit or even puzzles, like The Gutter's torch-lighting stuff or the cursed/petrified lions in Shaded Woods, more and unique NPC invaders and more involved NPC questlines in general.

>it’s another “my favorite YouTuber hates dark souls 2 so I will too” thread

Wew lad

Playing the original for PS3 and just realized that I'm going to either get summoned a few times or grind out a bunch of levels in order to join Sunbro's covenant. What's the best way to maximize my chances of getting summoned, and roughly how long will it take me?

All the Souls games except Dark Souls 3.

Dark Souls 2 is a bad game.

The level design in Dark Souls is mediocre. They basically fucked everything up trying to allow for the fact that the game is open world and you can go through a level both forwards and backwards. Why are AAAfags so retarded?

youtube links to what?

This is truth in summation, and fact. Skip Ds2 entirely unless you are just dying for more soulsborne after finishing the rest

>Optional areas with cool loot/ unique enemies
>Puzzles
>NPC quests and invaders
How is this any different from any other souls game?

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In Dark Souls 3 you have nothing like that. Absolutely 0 puzzles in that game other that shitty show your humanity puzzle. Which they just put in the game as a joke.

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>Dark Souls 1
>AAA
only Bloodborne and 3 can really be considered AAA

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Yeah... By AAA you mean the ones with most cinematic fluff in them. Literally games made for YouTube.

I mean, define puzzle. Because if the leftover torch mechanic in the gutter counts then so do the flames in farron keep ect.
Also
>Implying ds3 doesn't have npc questlines/ invaders and optional loot areas

What game is the one above

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The other games don't really have any puzzles, and certainly not anything like Gutter's torches when they do, DS2 has more and better NPC invaders, by far the most unique equipment with special effects and, in my opinion some of the best NPC questlines. They're not too cryptic and don't lock you out for doing shit in the wrong order (Looking at you, Patches/Siegward line in DS3.)

what game is the top

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lolno

You find and press A next to three setpieces, and its required for progression. Its not optional, its not a puzzle, nothing happens when you do it aside from being able to access the boss.

DS3 has some of that stuff, its just less frequent and not as well-designed. Like the rest of the game.

>The other games don't have puzzles.
Sens Fortress is so filled with puzzles it might as well be a zelda dungeon.
Also redpill me on the gutter torch puzzle, i ran through to get to the rotten asap and didn't light any

You have to light up all the torches in that area for a special npc to show up. It's fun and doing it so allows you to unvail new paths, shortcuts and find new secrets like that hidden Heide Knight that drops a different helmet, the aurorus armor, the dark armor chest, the havel set, a giant bug that's just there and breaks your equipment.
>leftover
lol.... You actually need the fucking torch in a dark level. And in the next level too.

You don't even need torches in DaS3.

There is much more to the level design than this that makes it good particularly in the area of unique encounters and exploration and plus the elevator is the only shortcut that fits this picture.

that's not what I meant but ok retard

>Snuffing out torces to reach the boss and progress is not a puzzle
>But apparently, lighting torches that serve no purpose is.
Define. Puzzle.

>Im a filthy casual who ditched it for Witcher 3
I find this to be very common among casuals. No one else seems to even like the Witcher 3, so don't feel bad. Nothing wrong with it, if that's just the kind of player you are.

What did you like about Dark Souls though? Is it just the level design being ridiculously good that you enjoy? There are lots of games with great level design that don't play anything like Dark Souls.

If you ALSO happen to like the gameplay of dark souls? Obviously look into Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, and Sekiro. From kills it regularly with their new IPs. I might also look into Furi from 2016. No level design, just boss rush, but the combat is tight. Also might look into some of the early castlevania's as they have a similar approach to combat pacing that Dark Souls has

But yeah, elaborate if you can on what you like about Dark Souls and I'll throw out some more suggestions for sure.

Was really more in reference to DS3, Sen's is a cool area with lots of secrets.

Play their other games.
Demon's Souls is like a prototype of Dark Souls, but still good. It has the same feeling of wonder sometimes, but feels imperfect.
Bloodborne is genuinely as good or maybe even better according to some. It fixes many of Dark Souls' problems, and recaptures some of the magic, but the lack of interconnectivity hurts it. Great game though, highly recommend. Much more polished than Dark Souls, and I can see why people like it more, even though I prefer Dark Souls 1 due to its world design.
Sekiro is a very enjoyable experience and has very good combat with memorable bosses, but doesn't feel as fun to explore.
Dark Souls 2 is the only one I'd recommend you skip if you really like Dark Souls 1. Everything Dark Souls 1 did great is way worse here, and it's only enjoyed by those who really care about balanced combat. Even so, it feels really clunky and unnatural to play.
Dark Souls 3 is a cash-grab with no real identity of its own, and is really only worth a single playthrough, mostly due to it's stellar bosses.

Just finish the game, and then move on to Bloodborne. If you don't have a PS4, pick the one that seems the most interesting.

It's not the gutter. If you light up the torches in the Undead crypt you get swarmed by invaders. They drop some neat shit iirc

And then there's the Farros stones puzzles too. The game has a lot for you to do.

>that serve no purpose.
Oh, so you didn't even do it and have no idea what you're talking about, got it.

Pretty sure only the npc is unlocked by lighting them all. The rest off the loot can be found normally
>You need the torch in the gutter and black gluch
No you don't, I managed just fine without one.

>cool shit or even puzzles
>The Gutter's torch-lighting stuff
Stop. I don't believe there's a single person on this planet who enjoyed that (((PUZZLE))).

Its both, the gutter has some cool shit that happens when you light all the torches and there's a lot of stuff to find on the way as a result.

*not just

not everyone is as dumb as you; some of us actually played the game and can decide for ourselves

>Complain they take torch/lighting mechanic largely out of the game before release
>A couple areas still use it
>OH WOW WHO ACTUALLY LIKED THAT
Kill yourself.

Define.
Puzzle.

Is that why it has the highest metacritic rating, people played it and decided for themselves? :^)

I enjoyed. Mostly because I really needed that black witch set for some cool combinations, but the gutter is an interesting area.

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fucking ds2vsds3 retards ruining this ds1 thread
gtfo no one cares about your soulless cashgrabs

right

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You don't know what the word "puzzle" means?

You should probably look it up, then.

get help
alternatively, have sex

I mean, does walking to several spots and pressing A in all of them really count as a puzzle?
You don't 'work out' how to make the invaders spawn and without a guide would only ever light the torches out of sheer autism or very intense curiosity.
Same with the farros stones.
>Get item
>Use item on certain spot
>Thing happens
Not really a puzzle.

DS1>DS2>DS3

Objective truth.

I'd rather have you tell me yourself. It'd be pretty funny coming from you.

>"""Objective Truth"""
>Posts objectively wrong list
HMMMMMMMM

>Cherry-picking the lowest score
lol

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Be sure to d/c or summon help if I invade your ass

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Sorry, you're right, I left out Demon's Souls and Bloodborne.

DS1>DeS=DS2>BB>DS3

That's better.

1 > 3 > 2

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DS1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DS2=DS3
ds2fags think they're special huh?

Don't even bother with 2 or 3, both garbage.

DS1 is a masterpiece, hard to keep that level of quality with multiple releases. But DS2 is still second-best for most of the reasons that made DS1 great.

Well spoken rational post.

I'm in the BB > DS1 camp, but the guys I work with have had the exact conversation that it depends on taste. Both are master classes of game design.

Only thing I disagree with a bit is Dark Souls 3 being only worth a single playthrough. I got the plat for that game, and really think it stands well on its own. It has shortcomings, like all the games do, but they're nowhere near as egregious as DS2:SotFS. It's actually a proper sequel, but its a sequel to a game that never needed a sequel and I think that's what makes it fall short of the others.

Basically, From absolutely murders their first game in a series. If it's a fresh IP (Demons, Dark, Bloodborne, or Sekiro) you're in for a good time.

did you literally just cut off the user score and then typed something about cherry-picking?

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he's trolling you fucking newfag

They're both right. Base DS2 sucks. The DLCs are good.

ds2 is a complete step down from ds1 in almost every regard.
If it doesn't make something great into something shit, it replaces one problem with another equally detrimental problem.

>cutting out opinion of mad Miyazakidrones

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>Paying for reskin bosses
>All DLC's contain only 2 truly great bosses
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you don't have to say "he" when talking about yourself

BB chucked most of the character-building out the window to the point where your build almost doesn't matter beyond the weapon you're using. Its not as well-designed as DS1, its far too visually cluttered and muddy. Its shorter and has less content. The trick weapons are a neat visual gimmick but functionally offer less flexibility and freedom than just allowing the player to equip and swap between whatever they want, the deeper attack strings are not tied to the gimmick they'd still be there without it.

Overall its a good game but it just felt like Dark Souls-lite with an emphasis on one playstyle rather than being an RPG with multiple playstyles and various builds. It was lacking in several key areas that made DS1 endearing and replayable.

>broken hitboxes
>stupidly difficult to get to the boss (which you'll have to do every single time you die)
but of course since you wasted your time beating that shit you feel like you're obliged to say that you liked that to make others suffer just as much as you did

Sorry faggot, they're ARPGs, now slow DMC knock-offs. BB and DS3 have the worst RPG systems, character-building and replay value, so they're at the end of the list. Neither are close to being bad games, they're just not as good as the other three.

From should remake Dark Souls 1 and actually improve it.

Who hurt you?
I hope someone did, you’d deserve it

play everything else in the series in any order you want but always skip DaS2 like the plague

you're welcome

>>stupidly difficult to get to the boss
Which boss are you referring to

The end-bosses for each DLC have a bonfire literally right fucking there next to the arena, you don't have to fight anything.

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>lol ds2 is bad XD do i fit in yet xddd
Go masturbate to your doll

Guy who posted about the dlcs being the best here. I was just being sarcastic. But ds2 isn’t bad. It’s definitely worth a play if you enjoyed dark souls. But it is the worst of the series.

smelter demon

man c'mon, what about the snow area with the electric flying horses, or the stupid dungeon that closed forever if you took too long while running through enemies and dodging shit

not all the dlc was good, getting to Sir Alonne is a pain in the ass too and the Ivory king fight is pretty lame

Things I liked in my first 3-4 hours
>Obviously the Level Designing and looping
>The environment and how grand everything is
>The lovecraftian feel although you can see the monsters and they arent unknown
>Everything is to the point and there are no filler missions
>The game punishes you for doing stupid shit
>Defeating a boss actually feels satisfying
>Combat isnt clicking a single button

>M-my game isn't bad they're just parroting!
Insecurity.

>broken hitboxes
More broken than the Sellswords in DaS3?

Got to the end of crystal thingamajig and stopped because of the fps drops I had back when it first came to PC. It felt like the level design in some of the ending areas was really poor compared to the first 75% of the game. Like the molten cave was super bare bones. I'm considering getting it on switch to finally finish it, but I think I'll get FF12 instead since I've never played it before.

i even defended it at some point, like you are doing, but not anymore, game is fucking trash

DaS1 is also only defended by purists and nostalgiacucks at this point since the game aged like shit and i'd like to see someone really wanting to go back to that clunky slow pain in the ass shit "combat" and prefer it over BB/SS/DaS3

soul games are getting better with each entry, chronological rank is best rank

You'll like Bloodborne and Demon's Souls a lot then.

Bloodborne had a few flaws, like all the games do. It didn't do a very good job of communicating that Arcane and Bloodtinge were supporting stats, not primary stats, so raw BT or Arcane builds ended up being very challenging to pull off.

Also chalice dungeons depths 1-3 had no point in existing, and blood gems were too limited (in that +damage was almost always unanimously better than any other type of gem you could socket).

But, for me, that doesn't negate all the things it does better than Dark Souls:
>The narrative was paced much better, with more mysteries and moments of revelation
>The settings were more interesting on the whole. Nothing as half-baked as Izalith
>While Dark Souls had more preparatory options (in that there were loads more weapons in the game), switch weapons provided superior moment-to-moment combat options than weapons in Dark Souls did, due to vastly expanded move sets
>combat was more fluid and the Rally system encouraged less passive gameplay
>Superior Boss design on the whole (Dark Souls has some amazing bosses, but Bloodborne has very few if any that fall as flat as Pinwheel and the link).

In the end, they're 10/10 and 9.9/10 and which is which is really up to the person's taste, imo.

>But now that Ive reached Undead Parish i cant stop thinking about it. The level design is godlike.
Why are newfag Soulsfags always so fucking pretentious and hyperexaggerating the mundane?

Yes, technological improvements and the combat are the only things which makes a game good, surely.

I mean, I felt the same way when I first played it. Dark Souls 1 has a sense of wonder and adventure which I honestly have never come across before or since.

>tfw PC owner

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>most user score reviews talk about the PC port being bad
Way to prove his point

He literally just beat the Taurus Demon, he has no place to speak.

It used to be 1 > 3 > 2 for me but over time it's become 3 > 2 > 1. I'll give the world design and bosses to DS1 but everything else I now find much more enjoyable in the later games.

I built my first PC last year and havent played any good gamesin this period. Earlier I had a xbox 360 with casual games on it. Playing a game like this isnt a experience i have had user.

DeS can be emulated and you can get a free week of PSNow for BB

I actually played through it just recently on PC through PS Now.
Does it look as good? No.
Does it come with the DLC? No.
But is it still a great game? Yeah. I'd highly recommend you play though the game in any shape or form you can.
Maybe even rent a PS4, I don't know.

Some flaws I see in Bloodborne:
Byrgenwerth
Only 3 builds
Framerate
Camera
On a personal note I absolutely loathe Frenzy.

Still my favorite Soulsborne.

I didnt even beat him. Just chucked him off the bridge

not any game, a Souls game?, certainly

>Byrgenwerth
What? What's wrong with Byrgenwerth?
>Only 3 builds
Pure Str, Str/Skill quality, Pure Skill, Str/arcane, Str/BT, Skill/BT, Skill/Arcane
I mean, you miss out on builds that focus on Arcane and BT as primary stats, but that's really it.
>Framerate
I mean it's 30fps, but that's not really an issue. It never dips as low as something like Blightdown did.
>Camera
What? The Camera Controller is the same in almost all these From games.
>Frenzy
Not as bad as getting cursed to 1/8 your max health...

youtu.be/K6jxhgMteB4
Look at this shit. Constant frame pacing issues.

What... shit?
The Hunt procession in Central Yharnam is known to be the worst framerate in the game, and even in that video it only dips to 28 fps a handful of times, before immediately jumping back to 30-32 fps. Not to mention that, like blighttown, that was eventually fixed with a perf patch.

If you're the type of person that gets triggered by the occasional hyper-brief drop of 1-2 FPS then I don't know how to help you user.

Do you not understand what frame pacing is?