Tomorrow

>kid goku but its gt
>ssj4 but its a cinema only

Hope? Yes. Will it be? Probably not.
Don't get your hopes up for nothing.

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>mfw superfags thought gt had no chance
Eat shit faggots, we run this game now.

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Stephanie Nadolny or Colleen Clickenbeard?
Nazawafags don't bother @ me

why can't one like GT and Super despite their flaws? why the faggy rivalry in every fucking thread

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Because both series get shit on relentlessly and rightfully so, so both sides have to try and desperately prove they aren't the worst one for some reason as though it fucking matters

GT biggest sin is just being boring at first

Ssj4 is a cinematic

You lost GT fags

Because they're both shit and so is Z
OG DRAGON BALL CHADS RISE UP

Still missing UI Goku and Majin Vegeta

>hoping
There is no hoping. The only hope are the og Kid Goku red/orange and blue costumes

Rather have UI goku than kefla or roshi or janemba

I just finished super.
I cant believe how shitty out of ideas do you have to be to just slap another color on hair and call it new thing
they even had the somewhat unique Red where Gokuus hair stayed in his style and made him younger, but no they had to go with retarded blue as strongest even tho it makes no sense
fucking ass
SSJ4 is the best design to come out of this shitass franchise

Retards that need to argue anything to have fun.
In games like this even the likes of Yamcha and Videl can be fun. Shame that Arcsys with the dlc goes more for more monkeys instead of more Videls

>Still don't know who he's releasing with
Season 2's in fucking shambles, season 1 was more well put together than this

remember when you guys said this game would kill sfv?
now you have shit entrant numbers and millions of goku variants
CAPCOM ALWAYS WINS BABY

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In Super Dragon Ball Heroes, the Xenoverse series is the primary canon timeline, and Xenoverse Goku and Vegeta are Super Saiyan 4s, not Super Saiyan Blue. GT shit isn't going anywhere.

Shit taste, faggot.

If you could pick an original Dragon Ball rep that ISN'T Goku or Piccolo who would you choose?

>remember when you guys said this game would kill sfv?
I thought it was kill MvCI.
Doesn't matter I guess, it's dying anway

Fat Roshi with a Jackie Chun skin

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>has to come in completely unrelated thread so people remember his dead game exists
Sad

Xenoverse is its own thing. That's why you get to see Blue Goku vs SS4 Goku.

Yajirobe since Tao Pai Pai's deconfirmed

That was MvCI, which is pretty dead and buried.
SFV won't die until Capcom lets it, it's too ingrained in the current FGC scene for better or for worse. Which is probably going to be soon since "Season 4" has been totally barren. Should have just ended it on a high note with Season 3 desu.

>not an install
Who fucking cares about Kid Goku, now?

Super was a clusterfucker of having some good ideas like Zamasu plot until mid-way point. And shitty animation, where movie recaps were a low which kept going until the Zamasu arc where things were a bit better, ToP had great moments though.

GT also had similar problems. Great ideas with the db hunting and Baby's race getting revenge on the saiyans, as the dragon arc, but the execution was terrible. Super 17 arc was a mistake, as making Pan a mini-Chichi and Goku turning into a kid

Goku should have fucked Pan on-screen. They were basically attached to the hip for the entirety of GT.

Yajirobe, General Blue, Cyborg Tao Pai Pai, Shin, by that order

Roshi is the only U7 member out, fuck that shit, that is ridiculous.

chi-chi

>Goku should have fucked Pan on-screen
Mind sharing some doujins where I can see this happening?

Xenoverse Goku is the protag's ancestor.

Blue Goku only exists within the VR game in Heroes.

>fighting game with most entrants at evo
>dead game
lol
and before you say it: no, smash is not a fighting game

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Is movie Broly out lareadyalready or comes in pack with Goku GT?

>BBTAG dead last
As it should be

Well no shit a small minority is forcing hype because they are paying big bux to play it, no one outside of tourney community cares about SFV.

Delayed for redubbing :^)

>it's the most popular if you don't count the other games that are more popular

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The theme song lyrics are basically about them wanting to fuck each other too. GT is incest kino.

No.

We got the worse version of Gogeta (the fourth SSB)
We got the worst possible GT character (the fourth Goku)

When we could have had this

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Xeno Goku came from Chronoa summoning him from Trunks' memories.

>other games
>games
>s
DBFZniggers can't even read lmao

>a small minority is forcing hype
r/kappa delusion at its finest

>samsho that high
What the FUCK
WHO PLAYS THIS
(is Sho5 Special on PS4 a good entry point? Ps4 has every samsho but only 5 special has online and QOL interface stuff)

I like how you didn't prove me wrong

Oh shit i forgot there was some drama with the VA

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Broly comes with gogeta and fuck knows when he's out.
Only got clips from the movie and no offical art with annoucement.
Probably not until the end of the year considering how long it took to get goku

i just want more stages

That drama is so rancid. The worst shit I've ever seen. A bunch of stupid people sitting in a circle while sticking thumbtacks in each other.

Devilman obviously.

>The theme song lyrics are basically about them wanting to fuck each other too
Wut? Explain

This is why nsfw is bad : look at these individuals with their messed up psyché.

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God fucking damn it, DB characters never.

GT Gogeta is objectively his worst showing.
He didn't defeat the main villain before jobbing to time and his moveset is outclassed in every way by blue Gogeta.

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Yajirobe or Roshi/Jackie Chun

>thousands of goku's that all play diferent
VERSUS
>thousands of ryu clones that are diferent characters that all play exatcly the same

its a hard choice

Nadolney. It's not even a question.

>5 months later still no update

You're one to talk about dead games.

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Mercenary Tao. Hell, I'd even take Cyborg Tao.

well he was baiting omega shenrong to make him use his magic atack so he could heal up earth
just like vegeto baiting buu to eat him so he could save his friends.

Vegeto blue jobed to zamasu.

>I hate GT but Super is a million times worse
no. Don't even joke about that. GT is an absolute abomination with just 1 redeeming quality. SS4 looks cool and that is it.

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>Abortion Kid Goku is released May
>?????? is released maybe in the summer
>Broly and Gogeta to hype the movie release by the end of the year, a year later of the release of that said movie
Good job Arcshit

They forgot about those.

GT isn't worse than Super, what are you smoking?

>Literally a 3 second cameo
GTfags take what they can get I guess.

baby was a great villan concept

a villan that takes over the people you love, and makes them go against you AFTER wasting the dragon balls wish

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The first 2 episodes were good, as some of the early hunting episodes were alright. Goku vs that General was okay and the Legdit(whatever his name). Those episodes with Baby fucking up the saiyans were good, as some bit of the 1st star Dragon fights. The ending was 10/10
The 4star dragon was stucked in a bad show, Piccolo the guardian of Hell was a hilarious idea and Videl was still Videl. Then there were the concept/designs for some characters that were good like that Legdit, that Robo Ginyu force, that baby god(luud?), some of the dragons.
Oh, the opening and the ending themes were great. The Ost was good too

The execution was terrible, like how most of the fights were handled.

They're milking GT Goku for all of his work for some reason

The build up for Baby was good, how that other Doctor was just a puppet and the show was turning into a more dark scenario, how sneaky he was and how he planned to conquer earth. Hell, Buu going around with Mr.Satan was a good idea, but then everything goes full retard the moment he fights Uub and Buu dies with a terrible SS4 Goku vs Baby fight to finish the arc.

Gt just isnt good as a show
Character designs are cool in gt though and Id like the gt characters in the game but as a show gt really sucks

you could probably say something similar for super too tho

like with everyting with GT
great concept terrible execution

>Bit by bit, you’re charming my heart
>With that dazzling smile.
>Let’s fly away from this endless darkness! Hold my hand.

>When I first met you,
>I remembered a place that I held dear when I was a child.
>Won’t you dance with me?
>On a winding road of light and shadow, even now, are you lost on him?
>There were just a few times where it seemed like I wanted to turn back,
>But holding on to love, courage, and pride, I’ll fight on!

>Bit by bit, you’re charming my heart,
>A piece of the hopes of this world.
>Surely, everyone wants to attain eternity.
>Even though I pretend I don’t care at all,
>Look, I’m in love with you!
>Let’s fly away from this endless darkness! Hold your hand.

>I like you whether you look angry, or you’re tired,
>But I wonder if it’s all right to live in such a hurry all the time.
>As for me...I’m tossed about by your casual behavior in the seaside blue.
>But evevn so, are you lost on him?
>I had something more that I wanted to ask, but
>Our talk is interrupted by the sound of cars, and wafts into the street.

>Bit by bit, you’re charming my heart,
>And though it’s strange, even to me,
>I want to call you right away and tell you there’s something there!
>Even though I pretend I feel nothing at all,
>In the end, I’ve only had eyes for you.
>Let’s fly away toward the sea! Hold my hand.

Please, Bamco, let us have this theme for his Dramatic Finish

>mfw IMA NO KAMAE WA

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What is that? A SSG SSJ4?

Sceneries were pretty great too, not just the planets but locations like that place were Baby fought Vegeta. Shame that location will never be used in a fighting game

It is already in the game as paid dlc though.

Can you even find a single clip of a good fight in GT? No you can't because they are all shit. Watching GT is only good if you want to feel depressed seeing how they took the franchise and dragged it through the mud. Even Dragon Ball Heroes is better than that thing.

Yes, it's one of the best game in the series alongside with Samurai Shodown II, now go play it, i'm sure you will fall in love with the franchise.

DB got progressively worse over time in every respect up to now with Super. Hopefully, Toei will actually try for a future release now seeing how it at least made DB relevant again.

The current Super arc is pretty good so far at least.
>Vegeta continues to get more character development
>Buu is relevant as more than just comic relief
>potential for Piccolo to get something to do again

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This arc definitely shows a lot of potential as far as story goes, shame the same can't be said for the art.

Ss4 gogeta has red hair randomly

Who the fuck cares. They didn't even release the other 2 dlc characters they promised and they are already launching a trailer for the third one.

>no one outside of tourney community cares about SFV
Just how it should be. fuck your faggot wider audience.

how good is 21 now?

What are you talking about? They said from the beginning that Gogeta and Broly were the last dlc characters of this season

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>Vegeto blue jobed to zamasu.
No he didn't retard

Why are cunny posters so based

he didnt have a objective other than killing zamasu

he failed

>GTpedos are now invading v

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Trust me. People are autistic and can't accept that people like and dislike different things.

My honest opinion is that while GT execution wasn't that well received the direction it went was a lot better than how super went. Exploring the universe had a more "dragon ball feel"

Inb4 spic

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Based.

Called it.

I dunno man, he's not peak Toriyama for sure, but Toyotaro is definitely improving. His backgrounds are solid, his characters are feeling less static, and his paneling is showing improvement. It's clear he still needs more guidance from Toriyama, but I feel it's innaccurate to say there's not potential there.

>Are now
Where the fuck have you been the last year you retarded faggot, and now GT goku is in and confirmed, and you super retards got fucking wrecked.

GT was a bad show with great ideas (save for the Super 17 arc).
Super is a bad show with bad ideas.
The only thing super has better than GT is the animation is the late, LATE episodes because the early ones are a fucking abomination.

Toei handpicked Vic and calls him directly whenever he needs to reprise the role (plus he uses his own recording studio; he doesn't need to interact with Sabat) he's probably going to have no trouble doing the lines for Super Broly in the game. The bullshit with Funimation shouldn't be an issue when it comes to his role in Dragon Ball, especially when this debacle has Funi looking bad in Toei's eyes.

Agreed. Some really good ideas in GT. Goku being able to stomp anyone up to baby is also nice, why do we need every villain either minor or major to be unreal?

Just the final writing went wrong for a lot of GT, plus super 17 was a mistake. Dragons again good idea but execution very mixed.

I haven't kept up with the manga consistently, but this last chapter was pretty bad in a lot of places. He also still has that nasty angular face style which has never looked good.

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>announcement for what will just be a 15 second teaser like all the others.

Fucking Bamco

Yeah I agree. While dragon ball super was fun, I had to turn off my brain for some of the parts. It really didn't feel like dragon ball and felt pretty generic shounen at times. Goku regressed as well.
>Ultra Instinct
>Just a rehash over what Goku learned from Korin and Popo
What's up with that?

Buu jobbing to Baby so easy was a joke, it's like they forgot how strong Buu was

GTpedos are the worst fanbases in fucking existing.

They keep comparing theiry shit show to another shit show (Super) as if that makes GT good. They constantly keep whining about "I-IT'S BETTER THAN SUPER" despite nobody even mentioning Super. They can't shut the fuck up and are delusional enough pretend their show is good and constantly wank their furfag form nonstop (along with the fucking digusting Pan content). Look at as an example of your average GTard

You almost never see Superfags wank their show to a high degree such as GTpedos. Plus they don't post incest and child porn so there's that.

Spot on

I can’t even name something I really like from super, maybe red?

But fuck me, zamasu is retarded, blue is retarded, hit is retarded, goldren freiza is retarded, grill saiyans retarded. Everything is so fast paced there is no emotion in any scene, and goku is a fucking moron even more than usual. How did this guy beat anyone?

Haven’t seen Broly set, though somehow it looks half decent

>You almost never see Superfags wank their show to a high degree
Oh wow, you're actually retarded.

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Please let him have a good assist.

I think the movies were great. They don't have to fit in filler and the plotlines better suit a movie anyway.

Launch, go full gunfu with her

Better than writing him out of every arc like super.

>>Broly and Gogeta to hype the movie release by the end of the year, a year later of the release of that said movie
Just time to boost the bluray sales in southamerica

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I'm so glad he's getting time to shine now.

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I can’t believe how much on an assault UI is, and this is Dragon Ball. Basically, anyone can learn this technique which pretty much is unbeatable, which goku learns randomly. SS makes sense as it’s in his race, and basically almost prophesized. In the manga doesn’t Roshi even use UI for a moment?

Fuck this, go train for 2 days Freeza you’ll be stronger than Whis.

>A super that you can't even control
Yea gee how will Super ever recover with their 10 characters

im more hyped for the trailer
can they just skip whatstheirfaces
actually maybe someone will fuck up again and release the trailer early

Superfags think they are hot shit because it "revived interest for Dragon Ball" or something like that, as if DB was ever irrelevant.

You faggots always do this but it's never about the frames it's about the actual fight.
Super didn't overlay a bunch of 'in pain' MC faces over a static flying big bad with fucking swooplines as a BG you insufferable cunt

>crying for a 6 seconds cinematic super
Ok chimp

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I didn't really like the movie but it was better than anything Super delivered. My number one complain was how rushed everything was. As soon as Gogeta appears you can turn the movie off because it's over. Also fuck Toriyama for ruining the story of Bardock.

It was Heroes that revived interest for DB in japland

GT would have been PERFECT if instead of goku it had been Goten and it was just an adventure series like this.

>In the manga doesn’t Roshi even use UI for a moment?
No, Whis says it's similar to the basic fundementals of UI, but still a far cry from the real deal. Having hundreds of years of experience, I'm fine with Roshi being the one to pull that off.

>he failed
That doesn't mean he jobbed

Job means you lost the fight and got your ass handed to you.

Vegito literally defused right in the middle of beating Zamasu, that's not jobbing that's just being cucked by the plot

UI was dumb because Goku already learned it. That's why in the 23rd world tournament he was able to easily surpass his peers.
I'm not going to lie and say I wasn't hyped over scenes in the ToP and Zamasu but I felt like I was watching a whole different show or a spin off.

Super is better than GT Pedro
Post one fight from GT that looks good, just one.

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No.

>movie arcs
>that Beerus fight dragging with only few moments of 1 episode and half having somewhat good animation
>all of that RoF arc
>that fucking horrible Freeza fight
>Piccolo's death and bringing Ginyu to kill him off

RoF anime version is literally worse than anything in GT.

Luud was a problem for Goku. Rildo was a challenge since he didnt tried to use SS3 for some odd reason.

Not just UI, all of Whis training is what Goku already learned in OG DB. That training only makes for Vegeta since he never had a master. Goku never forgot that since he always used some of those basics through and how he mastered SS before Cell's tourney

>My number one complain was how rushed everything was.
Blame Toei for that one. Toriyama's original script was apparently a much longer movie.

I wasn't even talking about GT, just saying that the only ones that think DB needed a revival are americans that think everything they liked in the 90s has to go on forever.

Broly movie was nice
once the story stuff is out of the way its just pure action from the first punch to the last

I agree with your opinion over the Bardock change. I don't know why they would change it despite the manga showing Bardock facing Frieza in space. It was cooler having him as a lonesome pissed off avenger. Even though he's still somewhat the same in the movie, he's not as cool.

>GT

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Yep, he's a homophobic rapist

Why do people think SS4 legitimately looks cool?

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>Muslim Kombat dat low
OH NO NO NO!

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>Super

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Now goku holding a building by pushing the fucking glass

Unironically the best transformation and the obvious and logical path a super saiyan should take

nostalgia

nrs games are usually low

what about the magic pants and magic gloves?

This. It should be obvious that the Monkey Men's ultimate form would be a Monkey Man, but toriyama bleached their hair and called it a day

>It was cooler having him as a lonesome pissed off avenger.
Toyotaro would seem to agree. One of the random one-off pages he did for the magazine the manga is in was an attempt to fit some version of the OVA events in to the movie; Bardock's crew still gets killed off by Dodoria and it's their lack of communication that helps tip Bardock off to Frieza's plan.

Seething

>but toriyama bleached their hair and called it a day
Yeah because monkeys have yellow hair and blue eyes

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That was actually pretty good for the most part.

green eyes*

Goku
YOU CAN FLY

More interesting than 23 minutes of ATATATATATATATATATATA!!

SS is blonde because Toriyama is a hack. He got tired of inking Goku's hair all the time.

>Bardock's crew still gets killed off by Dodoria and it's their lack of communication that helps tip Bardock off to Frieza's plan.
Post it.

And then Majin Uub was a joke.
Zamasu was missed potential, even the final blow was(it should have been Goku gathering the fucking spirit bomb and give to Trunks like Goku & Krillin)
Golden Freeza is fine, but his character became a joke since ToP, a literally punching bag now.
Hit was fine, his gimmick was interesting to keep someone on Goku and Vegeta's level until ToP just fucks it over
Everything else I agree, the girls were rushed into ToP. There is no emotion because fights have no impact, there is no blood and characters now seem fucking androids getting back ki whenever they feel like. Jiren was meh as fuck, Tenshinhan in 22nd tournament was much much better than this thing

Broly movie is good, great action and the saiyan part was interesting.

I like how both Zamasu and ToP arcs were building and wasting time for over 20 episodes to rush things down in the last 6 episodes like "oops we runned out of time". Vegito vs Zamasu was so rushed, ToP was rushed the moment that alien from U3 got eliminated

>Super Saiyan 1: Yellow Spikey Hair, Blue eyes
>Super Saiyan 2: Yellow Spiker Hair, Blue eye
>Super Saiyan 3: Yellow spikest and longest hair, Blue eyes

>Super Saiyan 4:
>Yellow eyes
>Pink Fur around body
>suddenly new clothes
>Hair is black
>Red eyeliner

What about them? Both piccolo and majin buu can make clothes

I like the big hair.

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Super saiyan eyes are blue (at least in that pic it was)

Ssj4 should've been what a super saiyan looked like from the start

You can be more interesting but still be shit

He's not wrong, it just should've had a different name like SS Primal or something along those lines.

Seems it's on the official website, not in a magazine.

>LEKE: There’s been an order to return home, so Bardock and I are about to head back to Planet Vegeta. What about you guys?

>TOMA: A return-home order? Wait just a minute! We haven’t heard anything of the sort.

>DODORIA: Heh heh heh… That’s because you’re all about to die right here and now.

>NARRATOR: After this, they lost contact with Toma & co… That is the event that caused Bardock’s suspicion of this return-home order to grow ever-stronger.

>TOYOTARŌ: It’s Pumbukin, Selypa, Totapo, and Toma! It seems like these four were involved off in the background of the Broly movie… or at least that’s how I imagine it. (laughs)

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I think red looks really good on Gokek, i kinda like Super Saiyan God out of all his transformations and also like Super Saiyan 4 the most. I feel saiyans should've got more primal looking for each transformation. Also base Gokek is starting to look really "aesthetic" because you barely get to see his normal look anymore. Not to mention when he went kaioken that red aura always felt so powerful,

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Why the pink/red fur out of nowhere? yellow would make more sense

That's some unexpected quality of him for once, now I don't have to accept shitty nu-Bardock.

Well he doesn't have his cool psychic powers :(

.... Dont tell me this is one of the parts that were written off because the script was too big to fit in the movie.
Fucking hell, there should have been an OVA, or a Special, or just a movie for the saiyans backstory and another one for Broly's fight.

>OVA, or a Special, or just a movie for the saiyans backstory and another one for Broly's fight.

You can always watch the Bardock special, watch the scenes with Broly and Paragus from the Super movie and then watch the remaining movie.

>a fucking gacha game gives more depth to Saiyan lore than an entire big budget movie
What the fuck is wrong with Toei?

Yeah, going from golden ape to red fur was kinda weird.

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>That's some unexpected quality of him for once
It's all Toyo too; no Toriyama adjustments. These are just random monthly pictures he does for the site.
>ONIO: Hm? A planet just exploded. It couldn’t possibly be Planet Vegeta, could it?

>ONIO’S WIFE: Onio, dear, let’s not worry about that. Instead, let’s go find a planet that we can make into a vacation home!

>TOYOTARŌ: It’s Onio, who appears in Neko Majin! Once again, I went and imagined him being involved with the Broly movie… Including animation and spin-offs, the Saiyans who survived that day are Goku, Vegeta, Nappa, Raditz, Broli, Paragus, then Tarble and Tullece, and furthermore… Onio must have also survived!

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Thing is, it’s not really a continuation of the SS form, it’s a combination of ape and SS. You don’t even need 2 or 3 to learn it. You harness SS while in great ape, so it mixes I guess. My thinking is the ape is the true power of a saiyan, so with SS the ape is more prominent

moving these goalposts

You dont actually believe that.

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In retrospective, Super Saiyan is such a lazy and nonsensical design.

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> the Saiyans who survived that day are Goku, Vegeta, Nappa, Raditz, Broli, Paragus, then Tarble and Tullece
>Tullece

A man can dream one day Turles will be canon.

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>Neko Majin too
>and the art looks perfect unlike the manga
Why can't he be this based where it matters?

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Sure, but I didnt had a clue that could also be a thing. I thought the part of the script writen off was the Raditz stuff.

I would like this guy to appear in Super, transform into SS and beat the crap out of Goten and Trunks to man those 2 midgets up

Sure, but that didn't stop it from looking great when it was introduced.

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I agree, but still makes me wonder just how good Dragon Ball could have been if it had decent writing.

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No, that design is pretty dull, even more so in comparison.

Would kind of make you wonder if you could in fact go Super Saiyan on top of 4.

Who cares when he doesnt have any moves

I like that Goku is using his brain, though it doesn't make much sense

Its looks like how a fusion is supposed to look. You have to be fucking blind to think SS4 Gogeta's fight was better than Gogeta vs Broly

>Why can't he be this based where it matters?
If I had to guess, I'd probably go with a combination of time constraints and Toriyama meddling. Some of the "suggestions" we've seen Toriyama make require Toyo to redraw entire pages, and that's just from the handful of pages the magazines have shown us.

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All this one has is Stardust Fall, Stardust Breaker is stolen from Super Gogeta.
SS4 has 100x Big Bang Kamehameha which is just as good if not better and this.

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I mean realistically, The names after Super Saiyan were just titles Goku and the group gave them to identify their level of power.

Big Bang Kamehameha looks like he's shining a flashlight on Omega.
Also, you left out the part where it looks like Gogeta drops a nuke on Broly.

>Its looks like how a fusion is supposed to look.
So does SS4.
>You have to be fucking blind to think SS4 Gogeta's fight was better than Gogeta vs Broly
I never mentioned the fight, but the choreography is just lasers and fireworks for the most part. At least vs Omega had some nice moments like the energy ball and the fake out.

>Big Bang Kamehameha looks like he's shining a flashlight on Omega.
You can have shitty opinions but don't force them onto other people.
>Also, you left out the part where it looks like Gogeta drops a nuke on Broly.
I didn't, that was Stardust Fall.

>>Its looks like how a fusion is supposed to look.
>So does SS4.
No it doesn't. There's no explanation given for why his hair turns red or why his fur turns brown.

Have a good day sir

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Watch and tell me what makes you think this looks cool.
Stardust Fall is the name given to the move where he rains down ki blasts on Broly, not the nuke part.

Dude, you are so blinded by nostalgia it's ridiculous. Sometimes I think GTfags actually got into DB through GT and not through the DB anime or manga. I can't think of any other explanation for this amount of defense for it.

Cope

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Why Gogeta is the ONLY character that can make the SSB form look good?

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also because Saiyan's are space japs, so dark hair dark eyes combo are default, but the gimmick with super saiyan and the entire fight after that was Goku being the opposite of himself

so blonde instead of black hair, green eyes instead of black, instead of cheerful or even slightly serious Goku it's angry Goku, who instead of being playful and enjoying the fight draws the fight out as long as possible to humiliate Frieza, giving him every chance to get in a hail mary

which then comes full circle when Freezer is begging for his life and Goku comes to his senses and spares him (for like 5 seconds, seeing as he ended up even further humiliating Friz as a result)

oh and this scene was ruined in the anime, since for some reason they changed Goku's face when adapting the panel where he showed symphathy

overall, it works as a contrast to Goku's normal image and adds to the personality shift that is the crux of the fight, it's a basic dramatic gimmick

people don't give that fight the weight it deserves, it's like one of the 2 instances where Goku has a genuine arc as a character, with faults, the other being his fucking up of the Perfect Cell fight

I think it's the black and yellow on the fusion jacket complimenting the blue.
Also, he spent the entire time in the form whooping Broly's ass. A lot of the other times we saw SSB, it was for jobbing purposes.

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It doesn't really look good though, SSB was, is and will forever be a retarded concept with retarded execution.

It looked good on goku and vegeta too. It's cause the movie actually had a good color palette.

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because they changed the color of the hair to not look like shiny toothpaste

and base form gogeta looks the best out of every form he has

i unironically prefer the GT rap youtube.com/watch?v=XR46WbmYFyQ

He doesn't. The blue hair will always look dumb.

I legit love the GT rap. It gets way too much hate.

It's deserved, that song is absolute garbage.

>There's no explanation given for why his hair turns red or why his fur turns brown.
Then the problem is with the consistency of SS4, all a fusion needs is the outfit. Gotenks himself had multi colored hair in base.
That's not dropping anything and it's still lackluster to me.
Having the ball turn into a blast was always cool to me and the games making it look better helped a lot.
youtube.com/watch?v=IpbVztGO6EM
It just feels like there's less impact in all of nu-Gogeta's moves. Look at pic related for example.
Nice cherrypick.
To an extent sure, but all modern db fights are a few steps below what came before.

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Give me one good reason DBZ should've continued on after Cell. Hell, give me one good reason it should've after Freeza.

SSB must be good for officially licensed candy at least.

Tell me why UI had to be another recolor?

Omen, is the most aesthetically pleasing form in DB, MUI should've just had the red aura that was teased in promos

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It shouldn't have, frieza arc was the perfect climax. Goku becomes the legendary super saiyan and dies a legend after beating frieza on namek. Everything after that is just toriyama trying to line his pockets.

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>MUI

Hey man, like what you like. But it's a fact that Dbs gogeta has a better moveset than ss4.

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The video you posted still doesn't come close to the big moves Gogeta was pulling off on Broly. Also, there wasn't any cherry picking. The entire fight between him and Broly looks way better than his GT fight, even the CGI part.

it wasn't

toyotaro likes drawing his own headcannons in twitter, like uub being trained by king chappa

Reminder that she's next

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Money, tell me an autor that will rather let his creation die a beautiful death than making it bank

Gohan's beam battle with Cell with the rest of the z fighters down and out was the best ending to an anime arc i've ever seen

>more gokus

No wonder this game is ded

you can't ignore the fact that Omen is the best looking DB form

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It really isn't, it's just goku with a shitty cgi aura and wavy hair.

Gogeta's hair is red because Goku had been given ki from Gohan, Goten and Trunks. When he fuses with Vegeta that gives him the last bit needed to complete the ritual, thus achieving Super Saiyan God 4. This is canon.

Yes I can because ot isn't

Dragonball literally prints money my dude. Don't you like money? Raughs

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It isn't, but that has nothing to do with what I said.

DBZ as a whole was good even Cell and Buu

The problem with Z is that Freeza was so fucking good that it made the other arcs look bad in comparison.

The only part about Z I hate is the fucking ending

>Super Saiyan God 4
Don't combine such a goo looking form with furshit

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Which is funny cause GT managed to have a better ending despite being so shit in it's entirety.

I'd believe that if he had something original to him that wasn't a beam attack, even what you just posted was a blatant copy of Goku killing old Broly.
It does, he completely fodderizes his enemy by not reacting to any of his opponents attacks and finishes with a good looking blast. Nu-Gogeta loses that oppressive atmosphere.
>The entire fight between him and Broly looks way better than his GT fight
Su-
>even the CGI part
Fuck no.

So then Gogeta SS4 jobbed too.
His one objective was to beat omega and he failed.

It shouldn't but really the cell arc was really pushing it, the ending was 10/10 and it was the last time Goku felt involved in the plot but everything else is kinda just there? Cell itself was never really entertaining after the first form. I guess I just don't like how slow the anime felt there, at least with Frieza there was this tension even when there wasn't much going on but in Cell you have like 4 super saiyans and that did no favors.

>Exploring the universe had a more "dragon ball feel"
That's because it tried to copy the entire first arc of DB you idiot. Hell everything except the shadow dragon arc was a pale imitation of movie, ova and game plots.

>I'd believe that if he had something original to him that wasn't a beam attack,
Like literally every instance of him fighting physically?

>GT managed to have a better ending
Carried entirely by nostalgia, no matter how bad GT could be, when you say this ass long series that many grew up watching was ending as the credits roll scenes from DB to GT, shit will have an impact.

Baby was an actually well fleshed out Hatchiyak if nothing else.

post aesthetic DB forms

They fucked up when they went past SSG.

Why are the character so spread out this season. A fucking trailer, not even the character. Probs will be another fucking month or two.

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Those aren't techniques and most of that can be matched with other parts between the series and movies.

Ikari is what ss4 should've looked like.

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SS1, SS2 and SS3
>blonde hair
>yellow aura

SSG
>red hair
>red fire aura

SSB
>blue hair
>blue fire aura

SS4
>black hair
>pink fur
>yellow aura

If you honestly think SS4 is aesthetic then your opinion is invalid

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Am I the only one who likes CGI in anime?

You don't have to insult people everytime you add on to someone's comment.

Nah.

>getting excited for SS4 to appear about as much as SS3 does

le mow

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>Am I the only one who likes CGI in anime?
Yes and you are also part of the problem

>design similarities have anything to do with aesthetic
>defending disgusting recolors that can't even stay consistent in themselves

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>and most of that can be matched with other parts between the series and movies.
Except it can't. At least for Gogeta it can't.
Outside of the Super movie he's thrown a total of probably five kicks and punches combined.
Also no one said techniques but moves, learn to read.

Can't wait for this absolute chad to start showing up in dragon ball games.

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This is the coolest move in the entirety of dragon ball

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Can't get any more aesthetic than this

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>Am I the only one who likes CGI in anime?
Not really but personally I hate the shiny, polished look of most modern dragon ball, when I saw what the Broly movie looked like I was like "finally Toei niggas understand DB again"

>Yamcha instead of Bandit Yamcha
>Super Tenshinhan instead of Z Tenshinhan
>GT kid Goku instead of OG kid Goku
>GT kid Goku without SS4 Install
>SS Goku without SSB Install
>Saiyan Saga Vegeta without Monkey form
>Saiyan Saga Vegeta Instead of Majin Vegeta
>SSB Vegeta instead of SSG Vegeta
>SSB Vegito instead of SS Vegito
>SSB Gogeta instead of SS Gogeta or SS4 Gogeta
>Anime Zamasu instead of Manga Zamasu
I'm tired of Bamco

>SS4
>>black hair
>>pink fur
>>yellow or red aura
That shit flipflopped all the time, I remember in the super 17 arc Goku's was red.

>Outside of the Super movie he's thrown a total of probably five kicks and punches combined.
I'm including other characters who do the exact same thing if not something similar.
>Also no one said techniques but moves
Saying "moveset" tends to imply techniques and possibly combos that he actually did, individual attacks don't fit that definition.

Yes, the Broly animation was perfect DB. The plastic Super animation in the ToP arc was better than the earlier arcs which were filler tier animation quality, but it still looks like shit sterile and gross.

God looking at all these designs remind me why I hate most of Toriyama's art in late DB.

You're saving stones for their banner right?

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sorry, wrong pic

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Yikes

No Champa no buy.

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>Saying "moveset" tends to imply techniques
Sure if you're talking about pokemon otherwise moveset refers to everything someone has done in a fight that can be translated into a fighting game.

Also no other characters matter in this conversation.

>this faggot thinks Namek is a superb

If this guy goes to Earth he will die from a heart attack before Beerus has a chance to meet him

Why the fuck would you bring up other characters instead of the one you're talking about?

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>Also no other characters matter in this conversation.
If you're saying he has a better moveset, the moves have to be his own.
>moveset refers to everything someone has done in a fight that can be translated into a fighting game.
That's a biased standard then considering SS4 got 10 minutes in a low budget show and Blue got as much time if not more in a huge movie with a long production process.

see

dumb choice of the team because they had to turn Goku into an adult so yup, magic clothes was the way to go (it wouldn't be the case if Goku was an adult during GT).

Is supposed to be red but whether the animation cells or colors used, it never had a consistent tone.

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Yeah, he was cool before turning into that shitty Blue form.

>If you're saying he has a better moveset, the moves have to be his own.
Which many of his moves are outside of the Kamehameha mind you.

>That's a biased standard
It's not, it's just reality. The character you want and like has no moves that can be used. Hell, nothing from GT does which is why GT Goku had to use the power pole from Kid despite never actually using it in GT.

Aura you moron not fur.
The Aura for SS4 started as yellow and then after that would be red or yellow on a whim.

And people complained about res F ruining Freeza, LAMAO!

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>We got the worst possible GT character (the fourth Goku)
That's probably the best character that could have come out of GT. No one else has any fucking moves, especially not Gogeta.

>Which many of his moves are outside of the Kamehameha mind you.
Post some new ones and prove it.
>It's not, it's just reality.
As long as you're not using it to say he's superior.

I don't understand why they changed how Hell looked when they even had their own filler depiction of it as it is.

It was red when Goku received the power of the other saiyans. I even acknowledge in universe as an upgrade of sorts. The Full Power SS4

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It's meant to be a different region of hell, I want to say Goz and Mez made an appearance too.

I really want to like this game because of how good it looks and how much love it puts into adapting characters, but I just don't like the gameplay.

Regardless, I have bought it and also most of the DLC characters and the season 2 pass even though every time I play it I get tired of it fast.

>red hair with yellow aura
>green aura
>white hair
>red hair with blue white aura
>back to green with blue sparkles
>multicolors everywhere
>turn into SSB
this shit was so fucking retarded, holy shit.

>treats most important villains as movie small fry
GT picks weird times to suddenly have balls and do whatever it wants.

So can we agree that despite being literal fan fiction it's better than super?

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>GT characters have no moves
>talking about a game that uses a base Vegeta with sky galick gun and Blue with floor galick gun, or Goku with kamehamehas, or black with swords, etc
This Kid Goku only exists to please both those that wanted something from GT and those that wanted OG Kid Goku. In the end nobody was pleased and they are doing another SS3 kamehameha and super dragon fist that was kinda used in blue.
Also, they are taking notes from Path to Power Goku that had ki charge in the end of the movie

>Post some new ones and prove it.
People already have Then there's the reflector move used later on and his fight in the pocket dimension.
If you had actually watched it you can see the difference in fighting style he has in the movie and the amount of detail put in to differentiate him from other fighters and fusions.

>As long as you're not using it to say he's superior
Of course he's going to be better in that regard simply because he has actual usable material. That's a fact.

>green aura
Broly was still binding him there user.

Smart Goku needs to return and i really want to watch Jiren ayyylmao Zamasu's ass as hard as possible. Also the incest twins need to get their shit kicked in

Are you retarded?
That's playing off of Super's story, know what that means?

Kill yourself.

Yes it's so ridiculously over the top, I wish super would do more shit like this.

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>5 donut steels
>only what-if character is Zamasu with an eyepatch
Heroes went to shit after the Super rebranding.

It's SS4 done right, they just have to add a BROWN fur to it without magic clothes and it's the perfect form of the saiyan race.

his main objective was to heal earth with the enemy atack

same with vegeto having main objective to enter buu and save the others

>tfw your autism limits the teams you can make because you have some ridiculous nebulous aesthetic and conceptual nagging feeling of which characters you like together and which you don't and it controls what teams you will make

I want to make a base Goku team but my autism can't find me acceptable characters to team him with that also set up into Spirit Bomb well.

>Smart Goku needs to return
You say that like he ever left. That said he only ever fought smart about twice.
Once, when fighting Frieza where he made Kamehameha torpedoes because Frieza couldn't sense energy and again during his second fight with Jiren when he made Ki mines and almost knocked him off.

>3 second dragon fist
>Can't even control it as an install
You spics are amusing

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The director said the sequence in general was the animator playing around with the colors, but you'd be stupid to not catch the UI tease. Same thing with Vegeta going green for a second. But sure, call it shit since it's not following your preferred version of DB.

>his main objective was to heal earth with the enemy atack
Which would have happened after destroying omega. In other words he did that to show off rather than completing his objective of defeating Omega.

>forgetting literally the greatest moment in all of Dragon Ball canon

youtube.com/watch?v=xDbrUREqbLU

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No because the characters are awful, the story is awful and the fights are awful. Only thing worth mentioning is Grande Padre Goku and he still jobs by the end of the episode to a fucking loli. I fucking despise these shitty characters that go
>teehee I'm so much stronger than you because the plot demands it, suck my dick

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I was thinking about it but then I realised it wasn't all too smart.

Vegeta vs Baby Gohan and Goten
SSJ4 Goku's Dragons Fist against Omega

i want cumbar to be playable in fighterz

Nigga, DBFZ is the first DBZ game where vic voiced broly.

They'll just get the black guy who was doing his voice in Budokai, Tenkaichi 1-3, and Raging blast back.

Neither of them are good.

The only part of that that was original and not some beam attack was the counter he did.
>Then there's the reflector move used later on and his fight in the pocket dimension.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the reflector, but the pocket dimension was a directing choice, there's nothing to suggest it was an actual move he used.
>Of course he's going to be better in that regard
In that regard, not overall.

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Yes they are

>Rushed everything was
Toei's fault, Toriyama's script was 3 hours long
>Ruined Bardock
Again Toriyama's script had more done with him. Look at his last stand, his armors broken and he's all beat up, Toei cut a shit ton of Bardock scenes

I'll always hate the white hair version of Ultra Instinct. The black hair version looked better and let it come off as a technique more than a transformation

>You say that like he ever left

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nope
inverting the magic of omega dark blast saved earth
goku killed omega when earth was already saved.

>The only part of that that was original and not some beam attack was the counter he did
Now this is a biased statement unless of course you can find another fight with a character with a similar fighting style.

>but the pocket dimension was a directing choice, there's nothing to suggest it was an actual move he used.
Reading comprehension you idiot. I'm referring to his fight inside of it not the act itself. How would you even come to conclusion when Gogeta himself was surprised?

>not overall.
What exactly does overall entail? Because there's very, very little that SS4 Gogeta did well.

>DBFZ is the first DBZ game where vic voiced broly.
Pretty sure he voiced him in Xenoverse at least.

Toriyama had all the time in the world for Dragon Ball Minus and still ruined Bardock anyhow.

>shitty english dub
common now
youtube.com/watch?v=9Izcr6v8BK4

>goku killed omega when earth was already saved
You do realise he o

>the UI tease
We already know about UI which was introduced as a state of mind not some fucking form that you can turn into by being angry. They are not consistent with their own fucking lore. Also the green aura was supposed to be for Broly since he is the legendary saiyan and boom, green aura for Goku and Vegeta for the first fucking time after seeing Broly. Like it or not, this shit is retarded.

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I feel the opposite actually. Omen is just some noncanon form that Toei came up for cashgrabbing purposes. UI was what Tori came up with and what it was supposed to look like from the start.

dont know what he's on about but i see vic listed as broly in budokai 3 credits

>"Everyone! Get down! Take cover! Get moving!"

MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND, PICCOLO

That timer will be the death of me. Anyway, Omega put the barrier back up when he thought he had killed Goku.
Again, Gogeta was showing off and failed because of it.

>Baby was an actually well fleshed out Hatchiyak
The only thing "fleshed out" about Baby is his Tsuful origins. The rest is literally copy-pasted from the Android arc and despite its "tragic" backstory (which isn't really tragic, since he's just a bio-weapon created to kill) his personnality is nothing more than your regular bad guy, muscle head that you see in every DB OAV who want to take crontrol of the earth.

The only truly interesting "villain" in GT are Nuova and Sin Shenron. Everything else is pretty fucking bad and i honestly don't know where this "better villains" meme come from. Both Super and GT are incredibly mediocre.

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The scene where Goku transforms was literally only made for the animators to have fun with it you absolute fucking mongrel.
There are no lore implications or canon changes.
How fucking joyless do you have to be to think of everything in these terms?

>another Goku

>Not SSJ4 Gogeta

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>Omen is just some noncanon form that Toei came up for cashgrabbing purposes.
Look at this retard

Omen appears in the manga though, so it's canon. Who is to say that Toriyama didn't create Omen as well?
Even if he didn't, it doesn't change the fact that Omen looks better

>Now this is a biased statement unless of course you can find another fight with a character with a similar fighting style.
Show me exactly where else in the webm he actually does something that isn't ATATATATATAT or a beam attack.
>I'm referring to his fight inside of it not the act itself.
Link it then, how do you expect me to remember every detail of something I saw months ago?
>What exactly does overall entail? Because there's very, very little that SS4 Gogeta did well.
Like I said earlier, he lacks that oppressive atmosphere. The only thing with any soul to Nu-Gogeta is the animation style he's captured in.

earth was dying even if they killed omega
killing the dragon does not undo his magic otherwise the planet would desapear and everybody that was revived would die again

>wanting a character with even less moves.

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>posts a sick looking gif that annihilated his original "point"

Fuck you, SSJ4 Gogeta is cool and a fan favorite in Japan.

>his personnality is nothing more than your regular bad guy, muscle head that you see in every DB OAV who want to take crontrol of the earth.
I meant more along the lines of his abilities and what he did. It made a pretty good contrast for Goku once he started possessing everyone.

>for the animators to have fun
Yeah, let's have fun with one of the important thing in the fucking series.
They should have put their fun time into other scenes instead of using those shitty CGI like if they were out of budget.

White haired UI was the first rendition of it from Toriyama. IIRC this came after Toei's poster with the black hair and red aura.

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I can respect them for not tracing, but when it blatantly looks worse, you might as well just trace the damn thing and make your edits

>UI was what Tori came up with and what it was supposed to look like from the start.
>hurr durr it's good because it's made by Toyotaro
Dumbass.

Doesn't change the fact that it looks like shit

>tfw this thread made me realised there's not a single Sakuga moment in GT

Well at least GT's art is more consistent and on-model than Super's.

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I don't know why people can't admit that super ruined Goku. It's obvious they dumbed down his character. In Z he was still goofy but super was way overboard.

Gogeta has a TAIL, Big Bang Kamehamaha, shadow clones, a fake confetti kamehamaeha, and the stardust breaker.

He'd be full of feints and cancels. Perfectly fitting his monkey king archetype.

>Well at least GT's art is more consistent and on-model
We have a comedian here

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sakugabooru.com/post/show/20111
There really isn't much though
Hell, literally most of the best "GT" animation comes either from the intro or the intro to Final Bout

There are some, they just weren't posted.
youtube.com/watch?v=x-88hFymOA0
youtube.com/watch?v=JwKQKf6of7Q
youtube.com/watch?v=eQaogfBrWko
youtube.com/watch?v=9zhk1eACrfE
youtube.com/watch?v=YufTpTj-faI
youtube.com/watch?v=EKkAalXz41I

>NOO BUT TOYOTARO
Where the fuck did I even mention him. Are you out of arguments?

This kills the Superfag.

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>that isn't ATATATATATAT
Oh great, you're getting desperate. If you're going to discount everything as either beam spam or ATATATATATAT then why did you even start this argument?

>how do you expect me to remember every detail of something I saw months ago
By actually looking it up because you were told exactly when and what to look for?

>he lacks that oppressive atmosphere.
user, the entire fight he had with Broly was one sided. It was "oppressive" for the exact same reasons it was in Fusion Reborn if not more so.

Be honest, do you really care about this conversation? Because you're not even trying to argue, you're just adding more and more in a desperate attempt to be right.

>Yep, he's a homophobic rapist
Him not being allowed to sign an incestuous yaoi doujin (featuring a character he voiced no less) due to contracts doesn't make him a homophobe you braindead fujoshit.

Replace Toyotaro with Toriyama, they're both garbage anyways. Thinking that something is good just because it was made by the hack Toriyama is idiotic.

Well don't leave us hanging, feel free to post some.

He's the comedian, but you're the joke.

Super's animation has been infamously poor since day 1.

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Hey shits.
SSJ4 Gogeta is the most interesting design.
Blue Gogeta was animated the best.

Here's a novel idea. Use the best design, bbbut also include the better animations.

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Wow three moves and one that his canon counterparts will definitely have. That's soooo much.

>taking anything from the Beerus and F saga
Oh NONONONONONO HE DOESN'T KNOW

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So Blue Gogeta all around?
Got it.

GT still stays consistently on-model more than Super though.

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That's barely animation. I don't think you know what sakuga means.

Those actually are confirming what i was saying. The art is consistent and on-model, but the actual animation is kept to a minimum, unlike shit like this:

youtube.com/watch?v=l5naLZRWEso

I call this one, "Bold and Brash"
It stays on-model but not only is the animation hardly there to begin with, but it's definitely when Yamamuro's art style began to decline

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SSJ4 Gogeta is superior, everyone thinks so except you because you have poor taste.

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>If you're going to discount everything as either beam spam or ATATATATATAT then why did you even start this argument?
I gave credit where it was due with Gogeta countering Broly's punch, but there's nothing else there.
>By actually looking it up because you were told exactly when and what to look for?
I couldn't find a single link in good quality and I'm not going to spend 15 minutes looking. If you're going to use it, then it's on you to give a source anyway.
>It was "oppressive" for the exact same reasons it was in Fusion Reborn if not more so.
He was trading blows evenly with Broly for the most part and the rest was just him writhing in pain from beam attacks. It's nothing like how he fodderized both Janemba and Omega.
I don't care if I'm right as long as you back up what you're saying, I won't deny that there's something there but a couple of blasts and a single counter aren't enough to justify your point.

>Early super
No money put into it, Toei were barely supporting it, all the important Toei staff were working on the One Piece movie. Try again Pedro

>the majority of Super doesn't count

kek

6goku

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Most of it was static, but there's at least a bit of good animation in each of them.

Toei is notoriously cheap with it's shows, why Super gets a pass but GT don't?

>SSJ4 Gogeta is superior,
I'm what regard?
Design? It's a fusion yet doesn't take any design elements from Goku or Vegeta but instead adds red hair for absolutely no reason.
Skills? Has the least of almost any character with only one being unique to him.
Personality? It's basically Vegito if his playing dumb wasn't an act.

In what way is it better?

Its literally been confirmed. Just accept it now, it makes it hurt less.

>NO FAIR, THAT EXAMPLE DOESN'T COUNT!

You don't count. GT is more consistently better drawn and animated. Deal with it.

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shit taste

>red hair for no reason

His hair is red because he unknowingly breached the SSG threshold and tapped into divine ki, Einstein. That's why he can use the stardust breaker and evaporate dragons with it.

>GT is more consistently better drawn
yes
>and animated
lol no

That one would be nice if it wasn't from the intro

Because even with Toei cheaping out on early episodes it still had better animation than GT.

I pray to God that this isn't serious.
I honestly can't tell with GTfags sometimes.

>and animated
On what planet?
You don't even get anything as good as Episode 5 of Super in GT and that was literally the worst episode.

>GT is better animated

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>It's a fusion yet doesn't take any design elements from Goku or Vegeta but instead adds red hair for absolutely no reason.
Since when does logic dictate the quality of a design. The only thing that isn't bland about Vegito's appearance is his outfit.
>Has the least of almost any character with only one being unique to him.
Vegito just has the beam sword and Final Kamehameha which evens out with Gogeta's clones (unknown if afterimage or not) and Big Bang Kamehameha.

Vegito has brown hair. The argument could be said that they were being consistent by turning black hair into brown, though it's lighter in GT.
And fucking besides, it doesn't matter WHICH Gogeta has the fucking animations. Vegito uses animations from Blue and SSJ. You can combine them.

Blue Gogeta is animated better, but you have to consider that 4 is the more popular design. Just use the more popular design and use his animations from all 3 versions. It's not that hard.

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In a perfect world, we get ss4 Gogeta with all the moves and stuff from DBS Gogeta, with the attitude of Fusion Reborn Gogeta.

>Go on SakugaBoruu
>More than 15 pages of results for both Super and Z
>Gt don't have have a full page.

o i am laffin

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Mr.Popo, Bulma, Young Goku with Nimbus and his enlarge pole
youtu.be/Svi48DGMaAQ

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i just fucking love super sayian 4

>that gif
Totally outrageous.

youtube.com/watch?v=kOnFkAWjmd8

>my dangalang bigger
>you're an old ass-
What was he going to say, Yea Forums?

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>Since when does logic dictate the quality of a design.
When the design itself has a concept with rules it needs to follow? It's not like it's a new character, it's a combination of two just like every other fusion in the series.

>Vegito just has the beam sword and Final Kamehameha
Sure if you never actually watched the anime or Super which both gave him more moves.

Wasted slot could have gone to janemba

>green aura for no reason
>flash of ultra instinct for no reason

Classic example of stupid shit just for the sake of stupid shit, which Dragon Ball is an expert at

>Vegito has brown hair
Not him but that comes from Vegeta. Around that time he was occasionally depicted with brown hair.
Even had it as SS4.

>When the design itself has a concept with rules it needs to follow?
That has nothing to do with quality, saying it makes no sense doesn't make it look worse.
>Sure if you never actually watched the anime or Super which both gave him more moves.
He got a single clash with Zamasu, but that was it. He has no other skills.

>, it doesn't matter WHICH Gogeta has the fucking animations
Yeah because we totally don't have people who are pissed for that exact reason because of GT Goku.

>half of Super is the Broly movie
>the other half is still shit for some reason

>he believes the "Toriyama is actually retarded" meme and doesn't think he designs his characters deliberately and in accordance with his own in-universe logic.

He invented SSG after making SSJ4 Gogeta. He knew both had red hair. Stop expecting the lore to be spoonfed to you.

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truly the pinnacle of action scenes

Just because you don't like doesn't mean that it's untrue.
The fact that they're using Kid Goku animations for GT Goku supports my argument.
Who knows? We could see the Big Bang Kamehameha out of Blue Gogeta.

>having a shitty non canon fusion

>not having another Goku

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>GT

Who asked for this?

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old ass nagger

>That has nothing to do with quality
Are you being retarded on purpose?
The concept ties in directly with the design because it's supposed to be a combined version of two characters with visual representation to indicate that. If it doesn't convey the concept properly then of course it's a terrible design because it failed to do the one thing it set out to achieve.

>but that was it
Go watch the anime. Both of them.

Me.

Me

>Anime Zamasu instead of Manga Zamasu
What's the difference?

Me

>If it doesn't convey the concept properly then of course it's a terrible design because it failed to do the one thing it set out to achieve.
The only thing a design is supposed to do is look good, it might be stupid to make him look different, but it still doesn't make him look worse.
>Go watch the anime. Both of them.
How about you give an actual example? The only other thing Vegetto did was use his ki barrier going inside Buu and having Buu inside him and that can't even translate into actual battle.

>Sure if you never actually watched the anime or Super which both gave him more moves.
still less moves than gogeta has now after the movie

You’re talking about the man that on record forgot Super Saiyan 2 existed and thought Super Saiyan 3 was Super Saiyan 2. You aren’t fooling anyone.

The legendary Super Spic did

One calls down lightning and the other throws lego bricks

Alpha males.

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>The fact that they're using Kid Goku animations for GT Goku supports my argument.
You're trying to say it doesn't matter which version of a character had moves but GT Goku is a version of Kid Goku that everyone is pissed about because he's using moves stolen from Kid Goku.
That's literally going against your argument showing you why it matters because not only is it a poor way of appeasing fans but because it squandered Kid Goku reducing his plentiful moveset to just the power pole.

>We could see the Big Bang Kamehameha out of Blue Gogeta.
We won't, know why?
Because he has more than enough moves to fill out the three supers.

>but it still doesn't make him look worse.
Of course it does, it doesn't have any consistency with the theme. That's the definition of looking worse than any other potential fusion design because it discarded the theme of a fusion.

>How about you give an actual example
How about you go and actually watch the anime instead of looking on wikis.

Based Janemba posters

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>Blue Gogeta

What are you, five?

Fuck you, bitch.

>it doesn't have any consistency with the theme
>That's the definition of looking worse than any other potential fusion design
Then it's a problem with the story, you clearly don't know the definition of the word "design".
>How about you go and actually watch the anime instead of looking on wikis.
see pic

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The truth most fans aren't willing to admit is that dragon ball stopped being good a long time ago

Originally, DB was a fun comedy/adventure manga where every fight had comedic moments that made them unique and memorable. As the series started focusing on fights and serious plot more and more, it became more obvious that Toriyama simply didn't know how to write interesting fights without comedy.

Goku vs King Piccolo was godawful
Goku vs Piccolo Jr was great because Tori gave him lots of unique abilities, a step in the right direction!
Then came the saiyans, bringing nothing interesting to the table, just boring powerwank. They were just redesigned Gokus

The Namek arc was the last good arc. It was serious, but not too much. Even the big bad ginyu force were comic relief. Frieza had a gimmick (transformations) and the boring fighters (zarbon and dodoria) barely did anything, so the only the fun ones got all the focus.

However, all the fights were samey. Most of the fighters had samey abilities, the same kicks and punches, the same energy beams (with Guldo and Ginyu having at least one interesting technique)

The Cell arc is where it all went to shit. Cell had NOTHING going for him, neither did 17 and 18. 19 and 20 had energy absorption but they did nothing interesting with it besides making yamcha job again

The Buu arc had a character with an interesting ability but it had no personality and all the main characters were saiyans without any unique technique, so in the end you just wanted to see more of the boring buu instead of the even more boring saiyans

Cell and Buu arcs were absolute dogshit and Super manages to be even worse somehow. More boring fights, but this time without a plot

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>Goku fanboys still want MORE Gokus

You autists are not well. There's more characters than Goku in this franchise, you know that right?

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>The only thing a design is supposed to do is look good
Not him but you'd have a point if it was supposed to be something new. Fusion isn't new and from all of the examples we had at the time, including the hypothetical ones like Gokule, SS4 doesn't fit in.

I'd trade base Goku and Gt Goku for MUI.

quality

Is anyone going to this event? I'm not really interested, but want to support stuff like this whenever I can. Seeing Sean and Chris would be pretty dope also.

I'm just afraid the attendance will be abysmal.

This is all correct.
I still have a sweetspot for the show, though. It's kind of like WWE. I can pick it apart all I want but at the end of the day it satisfies a primal need within me.

>yfw Goku has never defeated Vegeta

>Yaijarobe defeated Vegeta

He's low-key the most powerful character in the franchise.

is this you in the pic? your post definitely matches it

>Then it's a problem with the story
How is it a problem with the story when the rules for the concept were outlined years ago? That's purely a design issue if the designer couldn't incorporate it.

>see pic
Doesn't matter anymore anyway, I've already had you name two more pushing it beyond Gogeta's 1.
And yes that's 1 move the multi form technique was a move used by Tien so regardless of it being an afterimage doesn't matter. Just goes to show being disingenuous doesn't get you anywhere.

But hey I'll give you one more to give you a total of five, banshee blast. Similar to other moves but it was only ever used by Vegito. Then you have actual fights mind you, which SS4 Gogeta didn't really have beyond a few kicks.

see

Goku best Vegeta’s ass when he was Majin Vegeta, this meme has never made sense to me

Okay?
You do realise if only a single design didn't fit then the problem isn't the concept, right?
Do you also think a square peg can fit in a triangular hole?

Vegetafags like to think their troll doll won because he hits Goku in the back of the head after the fight has been called off and is over.

buu was a joke at that point in the series, even base goku was far above him.

If the square peg is my dick and the triangular hole is your mom’s vagina, then absolutely. Will be a tight fit but we’ll make it work

>How is it a problem with the story when the rules for the concept were outlined years ago?
The rules and concept are a part of the story retard. None of it is concrete anyway aside from the outfit, which is consistent for him.
>Doesn't matter anymore anyway
So you really can't be bothered to back up the shit you say.
>And yes that's 1 move the multi form technique was a move used by Tien so regardless of it being an afterimage doesn't matter.
Not really when there's no way to know if Gogeta's power split into a fraction for each clone, it's a reach at best.
>Just goes to show being disingenuous doesn't get you anywhere.
Says the retard who can't back up his own claims.
>banshee blast
I'll give you that it's something at least, but a single mediocre move really doesn't make much difference.
>Then you have actual fights mind you, which SS4 Gogeta didn't really have beyond a few kicks.
And that's completely irrelevant.

I'll take that as you being unable to form an argument.
After all we all know your mom jokes are a form of coping in these parts if the
>someone disagrees with me
>realise I'm wrong
>samefag and pretend I'm not alone
Threads are anything to go by.

>You do realise if only a single design didn't fit then the problem isn't the concept, right?
There are tons more I can grab from other things like Heroes, but it doesn't really matter when that doesn't detract from the design in the first place. You still haven't pointed out a single bad thing about his appearance.

thats what makes it good, its all about aura consistency. Cell has yellow aura because saiyans cells, its fucking great.

dumb kermit poster

Quiet, autist

i love this, fusions between diferent genders have yet to become canon. Cant believe they decided to not do 17x18 when they could, now is too late.

If potara earrings had a short time limit, why didnt Kefla seem to?

namek fags will always complain that freezy pops didnt do this or that.
They have been annoying cunts since trunks cut him in half.

>None of it is concrete anyway
Then why is SS4 Gogeta the only fusion design in the series to not follow it? You really don't get it do you.
Where's Gotenks new hair color? Vegito, Base Gogeta, Vegeks? No, they all follow it to a T.

>So you really can't be bothered to back up the shit you say
Like I said, it doesn't matter. You did the work for me and you already know its right.

>Not really when there's no way to know if Gogeta's power split into a fraction for each clone, it's a reach at best.
Reach or not the only other option is the afterimage, which even if you didn't count the rest of the series they use immediately after defuse anyway, so that's still one move for SS4 Gogeta.
>Says the retard who can't back up his own claims
You could have used the burden of proof thing to begin with but you did my job for me. There's no need for it now.
>And that's completely irrelevant.
Its quite possibly the most important part. Did you think the regular punches and kicks in fighters come from nowhere? They're all recreates from scenes in the anime and manga.

they shoudl've retconned it to end the moment they get defeated in fight.
it wouldnt make sense at all but would fit with the series.

>fusions between diferent genders have yet to become canon
The first fusion introduced is between different genders.

>There are tons more I can grab from other things like Heroes
Then do it. At best you'll only have a few cac ones in Fusions if you find any at all.

1 episode during the ToP = 1 minute
So, she lasted for 2 minutes.

Holy autism. SS4 Gogeta’s hair is red because they thought it looked cool. That is literally it.

I think the one below is fanart.

The potara earrings have an hour time limit that's shortened based on the power expended by the users.
Needless to say she wasn't anywhere near as powerful as Vegito.

Listen guys, I need to tell you something

The DBFZ announcer is participating in this tournament tomorrow, and he's a fucking monster at DBFZ

you're definitely gonna want to tune into his match at the very least

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elder kaioshin doesnt count.

He's talking about how the fanart was a copy but not a trace.

>He invented SSG after making SSJ4 Gogeta.
What are you talking about?
He didn't make SSJ4 Gogeta.
Toriyama had no hand in designing anything aside from some initial character design, which didn't include any SSJ4s.

>make a big deal out of a single character trailer that will be like 23 seconds long

i really love how fighting games are marketed. hopefully this also comes with an announcement that they will announce the release date at a future event.

Great, so you agree it's a bad design.
Also the hair color isn't the only problem, just the most noticable.

Thanks for playing.

But it does, though.

>a new character
>but auto-combos still track and vacuum

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Janemba is in

trust me

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That's why I like Super.
I always hated Goku.
He's maybe one of the worst main characters in anime ever.
Out of all the characters in Dragon Ball, he has always been the most underdeveloped, the most annoying and the one who deserved death the most.
I have absolutely no idea why anyone would like this one dimensional retard.

Super turned him into the joke he always deserved to be.

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>Out of all the characters in Dragon Ball, he has always been the most underdeveloped, the most annoying and the one who deserved death the most.
Have you heard of Goten?

>GTfags
>knowing shit about the series
You have one trying to rewrite fusion rules and another trying to say giving GT Goku Kid Goku's moves is a good thing.
Its not worth it.

I’ve never commented on whether or not the design is bad or not. You’re just looking way too deep into things for no reason and it’s pathetic.

SS4 Gogeta's hair is red because they needed to make enough changes to cover up the fact that SS4 Gogeta is nothing but a recolor of SS4 Goku.
Even in videogames they do nothing but make SS4 Goku first and then recolor him.

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Goten honestly had more of a character than Goku.

Christ, you have some awful fucking taste.

>400 plus posts thread filled with retarded GT vs Super shit
Getting closer to /dbs/ quality

>Then why is SS4 Gogeta the only fusion design in the series to not follow it? You really don't get it do you.
Show me where Toriyama explained every detail of what makes a fusion.
>Reach or not the only other option is the afterimage
Or neither, you can't say for sure.
>so that's still one move for SS4 Gogeta.
Big Bang Kamehameha
>You could have used the burden of proof thing to begin with but you did my job for me.
>Like I said, it doesn't matter. You did the work for me and you already know its right.
Not really, I've already explained why the ki barrier is irrelevant and the punch clash isn't even a skill.
>Its quite possibly the most important part.
Your original post:
>I'm what regard? ... Design?... Skills?... Personality?
You said nothing about fights, it's irrelevant toward one being superior over the other.
>Then do it. At best you'll only have a few cac ones in Fusions if you find any at all.
You clearly have a couple in mind already and I already explained why I don't need to.

>when people pretend Dragon Ball is a LOTR-tier deep franchise where everything has lore and some explanation
What's wrong with DB fans.
Why can't they accept that all of Dragon Ball has always been made on the go.

No he didn't. He never does anything and exists only to fuse with Trunks.

Yeah but you'll still have people who are quick to defend it even though it would have been extremely easy to whip up a design combining them both.

Blame the Zfags for taking powerlevels to heart.

Does goku black drops tonight?

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Length does not and has never signified depth in anything.

Gogeta design does have different bangs

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He’s basically ssj3 goku he’s only going to show up if you do a level 3 special

No, it's in 48 hours.
If you have the STR one though, avoid this banner.
INT Goku Black is so trash that the WT STR Base Goku Black is more optimal than him.

based user btfo the angry spic

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He's basically what if SSJ4 Goku went Super Saiyan.

>INT Goku Black is so trash that the WT STR Base Goku Black is more optimal than him.
In what ways?

Damn I guess I’ll save up for gold week/Lr ssj4s

This character is the most literal example of a monkey paw wish.
fuck my life.

Why it pleases both sides kid goku fags and GT fags even tho omega would have been better

>Show me where Toriyama explained every detail of what makes a fusion.
Sure, when you show me a fusion that isn't a combination of traits the closest you'll probably get is Cellza and even then the purple color is taken from Frieza.
>Or neither, you can't say for sure
Not an option. Unless you want to concede on that point.
>Big Bang Kamehameha
Thanks for naming the one move he has.
>I've already explained why the ki barrier is irrelevant and the punch clash isn't even a skill
Too late to backpedal at this point kiddo. That said the barrier could in fact be used as a skill for blocking or reflecting and the punch was used in Fighterz already if I remember right. That's why it's important to have more than one skill.
>You said nothing about fights
Who said they were the only ones? Plus did you think they could get into a fighter with specials alone?

None of these things are particularly deep as much as they are obvious.

dragon arc and omega shenron are cool too but hey y'know you could try watching it, just a suggestion.

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INT Goku Black needs 4 turns to get to the damage the STR Rose does from the get go, except he doesn't buff allies and can barely tank anything. It also takes 6 turns for him to transform, so you'll see his transformation as much as LR Gogeta and LR Vegito's, and it's only transformed where he can outdamage STR Rose.

The WT one is a support unit for both Future Saga and Time Travellers, but if a unit is in both categories, he gets both buffs, so he gives other Goku Black cards ATK+40% and DEF+20%, plus, he gets 60% DEF himself so he can tank normal attacks.

Save for the anniversary banners, they'll have 3+1 multis and tickets.

>DB fags have to deal with him wearing the GT gi and polluting his moveset with GT shit
>GT fags only get to see their beloved SS4 for a split second
I don't see how both sides win on this.

I see no issue with that

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im a kid goku fag and absolutely hate this with a passion.
Seriously i cannot even begin to tell you how much i despise this. i´ll meme arrow some examples
>Shitty GT design
>looks like a manlet rather than a kid
>no original toriyama artstyle
>no original red attire and alt costume with tuxedo and hat / sunglasses
>its GT goku but probably wont have GT4 SSJ anyway, it will most likely have SSJ3 as ult again.

Not him but you're confusing depth for quantity. DB has a lot of shit in it concept wise but outside of a few plot holes caused by editorial changes in the cell saga they've never really been inconsistent.

Until GT that is where everything that existed beforehand was thrown out.

Shadow Dragons are huge waste of time until Syn shows up. Even Nova and Eis are immediately forgotten once he hits the scene.
The fight with Syn at first is plain dumb since they try to use the city. Like, what the fuck was with Syn trying to kill Goku with a clock.
The fight with Omega looks bad and is filled with tons and tons of reused animation.

got any footage of his play

>Sure, when you show me a fusion that isn't a combination of traits the closest you'll probably get is Cellza and even then the purple color is taken from Frieza.
That has nothing to do with the quality of Gogeta's design like I've been saying.
>That said the barrier could in fact be used as a skill for blocking or reflecting
That makes no fucking sense considering the feats.
>Who said they were the only ones?
You, and I've been arguing why the design and skills don't make Gogeta inferior.
>Not an option. Unless you want to concede on that point.
>Thanks for naming the one move he has.
>Too late to backpedal at this point kiddo.
>FUCK YOU, I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO
You finally show your true colors. If you're just going to repeat the same bullshit again and again, I don't need to say anything more.

>killing the dragon does not undo his magic
GTfags don't even know their own series. The very first one had its magic dispelled upon defeat.

Cringe.

How about RoG?

It's the same thing.

Reminder that INT Goku Black is a leader of a mediocre category that only stands out for having a bunch of DBH cards, which are not on Global yet. He's also one of the weakest category leads in terms of damage along with PHY Future Gohan.

I feel like he'd get in the way unless you made a Black centric team.

>OG DRAGON BALL
You realise that everything up to Buu is from the same manga right?