How did a ragtag group of nerds manage to BTFO seasoned industry veterans so hard?

Because they actually gave a shit, mostly. It's obvious everyone at Sonic Team has checked out and merely use the series as their own personal creative outlet instead of doing what's best for Sonic. You could replace a staggering number of 3D Sonic games with another character and the experience virtually would not change. And let's also not forget Sega's typical mismanagement of the series over the years.

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By actually caring

I love how people ignore Takayuki Iizuka having the foresight to hire Christian Whitehead and crew aboard with Mania. He is literally the last vestige of Sonic Team and the only one at SEGA that actually cares about Sonic. Without him you fags wouldn't have gotten Mania and instead gotten yet another unofficial fangame with no real push.

>Seasoned industry veterans

Veterans of what? Consistently releasing shitty games?

WHERE THE FUCK IS MANIA 2

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Passion and a few good choices can't really cover up the sea of mismanagement he also caused, unfortunately. He needs a competent lead designer commanding him, not the other way around.

They predate Knuckles.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SegaSonic_the_Hedgehog

>that quote

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The other yellow dude was actually one of the original design concepts conceived for Tails, while the red armadillo lad is Mighty, who was one of the original designs for Sonic and has appeared in Knuckles Chaotix.

i unironically want iizuka to just get his hands dirty and direct the next mainline game himself
management does not suit him but this does not mean he is useless, fuck japanese business hierarchy culture. iizuka needs to direct again.

Reminder Sonic Team wanted Mania to be a non canon illusion created by the phantom ruby but Mania said fuck that

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And then they said “fine. But we’re injecting the canon of mania into OUR new 3D game about edgelords and OC’s getting to high five sonic. And automation

hahaha lol sonic was never good
have an upvote my good sir! your post made me laugh :)

>christian whitehead studied the physics from all the classic games for years and built an entire engine from what he learned
>stealth knew how to program and had been making sonic rom hacks for years
>members of pagodawest had worked on sonic 2 hd since 2008
>tee lopes had been making sonic remixes for almost a decade
>meanwhile sonic team has just been reskinning all of their previous 3d sonic games since 2007 with worse levels and even worse stories complete with game breaking bugs
TL;DR: the mania devs actually put in effort

Can't rush something good, user.

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Retreating back to HURR DURR REMEMBER THE GENESIS, GUYS?! is fucking boring. Not every modern Sonic game is gonna be 10/10 but I love the weird experimental shit they try with modern Sonic and I like stuff like Unleashed, Colors and Lost World than CTRL Ving Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

Sonic Mania is great but it's not what I want from Sonic. Give me more of that weird Americana Sonic from the adventure series or do more shit like Sonic Rush.

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Because Sega employees are to busy trying to one up each other then focus on making good games.

To be fair, I think people were just happy that a 2D sonic game actually played right for once in who knows how long. Classic fans had pretty much given up on them ever doing 2D right again after Sonic 4 and Classic Sonic in generations, so I think it just surprised everyone that we finally got a 2D game that actually feels proper for once and we promptly enjoyed it, regardless of the nostalgia pandering. And you're not alone to be honest, even the most diehard maniafags want more originality in newer games by the team, we all do, really.

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*sip*
yup, SegaSonic Arcade, now /that/ was a Sonic game

I like the ideas Sonic Team sometimes tries, but a lot of the times they're in bad games (e.g. Lost World). I'd rather have a good game with stale ideas than a shitty experimental game whose ideas the dev will never revisit because the game was bad

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>And you're not alone to be honest, even the most diehard maniafags want more originality in newer games by the team, we all do, really.

I'm glad because my fondest memories of Sonic were from Dreamcast onward. Seeing that banter between Sonic and Shadow before they fight in SA2 is one of my favorite Sonic moments ever.

I doubt there were that many seasoned veterans left inside Sonic Team before it was dissolved.

The only people that gave a fuck about those two characters before Mania were Archiefags.

Well yeah, I love the comeback of 2D sonic, but I also want a Renaissance of what put 3D Sonic on the map in the first place. And I feel like if the luck is in our favor, we'll get just that with the new pillars system they're trying out. (Whitehead makes future classic games, with a new team to handle 3D Sonic, hopefully Adventure styled) Everyone wins if that happens, really.

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people will buy anything sonic if its passable.

you've got people saying "LOOK AT THE SONIC MANIA ANIMATIONS THEY HAVE MILLIONS OF VIEWS!!1!" bitch please kphoria's sonic vore videos had millions of views

rush/advance>classic>adventure>boost

>Seasoned industry veterans
More like a bunch of slack-jawed interns working under Iizuka's dumb, directionless ass. The last good devs in Sonic Team left after Generations, Sonic Team doesn't even technically exist anymore since SEGA's reshuffling last year.

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Oh man that quote...

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Because Sonic Team reshuffles their employees too much to keep a consistent vision or quality

that's a... oddly specific comparison, user.

I only agree as far as pretending like it's 1996 again. I'd like to see a Mania 2 set in modern Sonic setting. Not to say drop the classic styled level themes, but just set it in the current era.

Do normalfags like Mania? I’m just curious, because they genuinely seemed more excited for the Spyro and Crash racing game

Pretty sure they do.

Plenty of people liked Mania. Many people aren't excited for TSR however because of poor advertising, wanting it to be something else rather than what it is, not knowing Sonic Team doesn't make the Sonic kart racing spinoffs, or because it isn't a true follow up to the All Stars games, which I can live with because I liked those games for the gameplay, not just the crossover aspect

But the gameplay is worse than Transformed

>But the gameplay is worse than Transformed
The gameplay is the same they just removed the half baked gimmicks

It's the same, they just took out the transformations, which again, I can live with, because other than boat sections I don't think it would have worked well with the character types system they're doing

I mean I'm not excited for TSR cause all my excitement went out the window when I realized the R wasn't for a new Sonic R
Just seein Sonic in a kart is really strange to me, the series is about speed on feet. Why not do another foot racer?

Because it would get directly compared to that game and being fully experimental was not what they're going for.
Making a successor to the All Stars Racing games is a safer alternative and fills the niche of people who wanted more new stages incorporating the driving physics of Transformed while still trying something different

>tfw even a 21 year old zoomer like me remembers mighty and ray
git gud

Well at least that makes you better than 'some' people.

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Pic related is the Sonic Mania fanbase

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Surprised you're still around to be honest.

>would get directly compared to thata game
Excuse me what? In a franchise, games will ALWAYS get compared to previous installments even if the gameplay is changed.
How exactly is this an argument against that?

>Mania calls Eggman/Robotnik, Robotnik
>People in their 30s are pic related are like

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I guess I should specify that my point was that Sonic R's reputation is why they didn't decide to make a new game of that style. It's less of a highly regarded game than Transformed, and from a business standpoint, despite Sonic Drift having been a thing, they found a competent developer who could make Sonic in a car work well.

Good people do exist...

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Hope Summer will be decent.

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Ready to waste my whole summer customizing cars and racing with friends, with Crash and Sonic.

What Sonic game should I play for summer kino bros. Not Sa1 because that's the obvious choice.

Well yeah, they always have, you just realize it less when browsing here.
Sounds about right, yeah.

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passion and vision trump mindlessly shitting stuff out to make a quick, safe buck. It's amazing what happens when devs actually play, enjoy, and are fans of games.

The original Team Sonic

How about Sonic Rush Adventure?

To be fair it was a modest price to begin with and the DLC all things considered was a nice package.

Why did this have to be the future we choose?

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>reminder that Sonic Mania only sold a million copies in 9 months, and it doesn't seem to be getting any higher from there

Sounds good, I haven't played it since release so it should be fun.

google.com/amp/s/conflictingviews.wordpress.com/2018/07/23/this-is-one-frustrating-ass-game-mania-plus/amp/

I hope for the best of both eras of Sonic.

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>I love how people ignore Takayuki Iizuka having the foresight to hire Christian Whitehead and crew aboard with Mania.
Uhh, sweetie, Taxman presented "Sonic Discovery" to Iizuka, not the other way around. Nothing about Mania was anyone from Sonic Team's plan, Taxman started something, then Iizuka said "hey let's make it a full game gayjin" and that's it. It WAS his idea to force all the old zones in though.

youtu.be/mgbd7_-Ro3Q?t=145
>2:29 - 2:50

So no, STOP CREDITING Iizuka for Mania, he ALLOWED it, not created it. It's was Taxman's idea with Stealth's help.

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>do a combination of what people want and what works
>Sega neglects these basic principals for years

Pretty easily as it turns out.

I'll be honest, baiting or not, this article is so obscure and under the radar that I'm just convinced it's one shitposter using it every now and then for some Sonic threads.

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Because fans know what they want more than anyone else. So when a game is made by fans it yields good results.

This

youtu.be/OfJRm0WssOE praise for Sonic Mania in a nutshell

Oh boy I love force-feed nostalgia as a bandage

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Only zoomers hate brand name quality, the thing that defines something as itself. They grew up on bootlegs and chink tier rippoffs and don't value trademarked formulas. They ask for a pizza, you give them Home Run Inn, but then they cry it doesn't taste like muh Chicken tendies.

>Inb4 muh food analogy

It's still true. Only pre Gen Z and late millennials thinks a brand isn't valued by the quality of what it's know for, they value what's on the surface. Then you wonder why games are so soulless now. Basically 's pic.

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>3D sonic will never have PHYSICS

I honestly wonder how Crashfags and Spyrofags think when their classic remasters happened to not feature Skylander designs. Or does only Sonic's fanbase just have this issue with eras.

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>THIS PICTURE IS YOU HAHA LOOK AT HOW RETARDED YOU ARE
b-based?!

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Eric is always around when you want him to be. ;)

>seasoned industry veterans
doing something for a long time doesnt equal being good at it.

They tried to with Adventure 1, but they weren't quite there yet. Adventure 2 made it take a bigger back seat due to how the gameplay and stages are designed, but they were still there to an extent. Then they threw it out the window completely with Heroes and never really looked back. You know what's funny? That recent 06 remaster someone was working on has actual weight and physics to Sonic's movement and wouldn't you know it, it actually made the stages feel a bit more enjoyable.

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That actually explains why we have a lot of sonyfags here that know fuck all about previous entries in series like spiderman or god of war.

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It's funny how people still pretend to like a game sometimes

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Pretend?

Hope you enjoy it user.
Me too, honestly

don't egg shitposters on.

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You know what Sonic needs?
Wavedashing

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I want Mania 2 to be hand-drawn.

I wouldn't mind it either, but the 32-bit look of the first had plenty of charm too

What's the generals census for Sonic unleased? I thought it was okay

Of course not, but that would justify a whole new game over an expansion.

Depends on who you ask, when it came out it got trashed by critics and these days its held on a pedestal by many fans

Sonic Team are old, tired and know neither what to do with Sonic or what fans want

I'm a bit confused on your statement, user.

Based

Imo, if there's one thing Boom Wii U did right (I know, I know) is that in their early trailers they showed off Sonic running on water and it actually looked really natural and less static then the official boost games did it, like Sonic was running on a "solid" surface despite being water. Too bad the game was fucked over to realize its potential.

>SEGA hires that man
>he saves their IP

I think what he means is that having Mania get a hand drawn successor would feel more unique than making another sprite based game

Sonic stages were okay but the werehog stages were dogshit. All of the cutscenes/characters were retarded and cringy.

Overall shit game.

They got the physics a bit right, too bad everything else about the game is underwhelming
>Studiopolis does look fantastic, but it's the only new stage that looks good
>Reused stages are bloated, have issues like surprise "got ya" bullshit, getting stuck at certain points,
>Bosses suck, it's harder to hit most of them than it looks
>Special stages control poorly, and it's hard as hell to catch the emerald without hugging the wall,
>Blue Spheres special stages are unneeded padding, and have crap rewards that amount to "I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW IT
>problems from the Genesis games are still present, such as jumping on a yellow/red spring leaves you vulnerable only to be hit by a oncoming enemy.

Don't get me wrong, it's not truly a bad game. But it's certainly not as amazing as jaded reviewers or nostalgia-obessed Sonic fans are making out to be,

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>tfw nobody os talking about Sonic 3 AIR, a PC fan remake of Sonic 3 in full wide-screen 60fps with enhanced graphics and smooth sprite work

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What's there to talk about? It's Sonic 3 Complete that trades some features for a wider aspect ratio.

Oh, well that makes a bit more sense then. I have the feeling he didn't mean to add the not after of course? Either way, I am for it too, only problem is that if you don't get it right, Yea Forums is gonna hound it like you wouldn't believe. Need I mention Sonic 2 HD's reputation here?
That's a fair outlook I suppose, Mania was pretty great, but there's always room for improvement.
There were actually a couple good threads about it when it first released. It's a great fan effort for sure.

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I'd just want it because it would be kino
youtube.com/watch?v=DK83thG9SNQ

what does sega tell the mania team to work on now?

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Press Garden and Mirage Saloon look fantastic though. Mostly Act 2 of both
That's true. And it would definitely take awhile to make it happen, but be well worth the effort

Beating modern Sonic Team isn't exactly a hard task.

>Lost World

a fully new game probably

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to work on go away

neat, a new daytona game

here's the (You) that no one gave you for this garbage

They cared, that's why. People crying about muh 2D classicuck pandering outs themselves as faggots who didn't grow up with Sonic games that functioned for the most part but the story, lore and characters. Mania was the first Sonic game I brought since Secret Rings because I didn't trust SEGA with the Sonic name after the disaster that was Sonic '06.

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You should play the All Stars games, Colors and Generations then at least

passion
they just wanted a good sonic game

Lol at the people using "passion" and "care" as arguments, people are already criticizing the game as we speak so the honeymoon phase is over

How do we feel about Freedom Planet 1/2, Spark, stuff like that?

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Just because people criticize a game doesn't have to mean they all dislike it tho, they just wanna see it get better. People were still criticizing it since day one.

See
but remove "not a bad game" and replace it with "average game with good visuals"

When only a handful of parts of the game are in 3D you've got a lot more time and money to work on the gameplay and level design

Pretty good as well, I remember a lot of pre-release mania threads were also excited for FP2.

It's SEGA so it's not like it was hard to do

The bosses were piss easy, barring the Flying Battery spider. Only new stage that looked meh was Titanic Monarch, and the only lackluster or poorly designed returning stage was Hydrocity was because it plays it safe

Like it's been 2 years and my emotions have waned since release, but Manias still an absolutely solid game worthy of the rating it has

>sensationlists put mania on a pedestal like it's some perfect game or some shit
>It didn't even sell as good as the pic related which also had buzzwords like "passion" or "care" thrown on it
unleashed will continue to be remembered as the true game that almost saved Sonic, Mania is a bandaid for s o y eating mid-30 year olds who can't let their childhoods go

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I like Unleashed as much as the next person but you have to be a special level of delusional if you really believe that

but user, plenty of unleashedfags thought it was at least a decent game, myself included.
Gonna have to agree with this, this just sounds like some poor attempt to forge a competition of two games never meant to even do that.

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They predate tails, too

>s o y
kill yourself

Easy, asset flipping.

Unleashed cemented Sonic being a dead franchise with the introduction of boostshit. kys

>people trying to (poorly) falseflag a forced competition between games on the website known for forced falseflag competitions
might be on to something user

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Sometimes I'm just obvious I suppose.

>When Colors and Generations were well received
Nope
>Bubububu FORCES!!!!!
see but it's Sega forcing CS2 to reshuffle their staff

Is there a science as to how and why classic faggots are so fucking brain dead? Mania isn't even 1/4 as good as either Adventure titles you stupid piece of shit

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Adventure titles were okay at the time.
they are cringeworthy unplayable messes now.
unlike classic games + mania.

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you need to die.

Uh, no they don't. Tails was introduced in 1992, while Mighty/Ray were introduced in SegaSonic Arcade in 1993.

Yeah, Knuckles is the only pre-dated one.

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>cringeworthy unplayable messes now
No they aren't.

two sides of the same shit-smeared coin
kill yourselves with this game war

>Well received
>7/10 for both
Glad you are okay with mediocrity because thats all boostshit can produce.

cope

Yes they are
please tell me whats so "Good" about adventure series
>shit voice acting
>shit story
>gameplay is all over the place and rough around the edges
>bugged to shit
>unironically uses comic sans as a font.

>No argument

How did you pack so much Wrong into one post?

>platforming focused sections connected by speed focused sections
fixed 3d sonic for you

So Adventure 1 and 2?

>muh shitty friends

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i want to have sex with the hard-boiled heavies.

I was thinking more like the preview footage of sonic xtreme but that works too

That guy sure salty about $5 DLC for a $20 game that added a whole host of additions, vs a $60 game that was empty from the get go.

What's the status on new Sonic titles? Not kept in tune other than Forces being dogshit.

You know what's bad about falseflaggers? You can't tell which replies are other people, or themselves. I wanna tell them to just pay them no mind, but for all we know I could be giving them the (you) they want.
People are warming up to the new Racing spinoff after the delay and extra marketing at least.

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Passion

New racing game just around the corner (less than a month away) and a new Mario and Sonic game is also coming later this year. Also they've already started working on the next main project at Sonic Team

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The story is fine in both SA1 and SA2. The voice acting was shitty for 1 but was greatly improved in 2. Shitty sound mixing for 2 though. I dont mind the varying gameplay, except for Big in SA1 and some of Tails and Eggman's SA2 levels. Only SADX is terribly bugged, both SA2 and Battle work fine. I believe there was some sort of technical reason why comic sans was used, but I dont recall.

can't wait for TSR. looks kino as fuck

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Hope it's decent. Quite enjoyed SASRT, and the PC port was solid for it (which is good, since there's a complete lack of kart-style racers on Steam that aren't garbage).

I can't wait to play as everyone's favorite character, Zavok!

I'm looking forward to it as well, looks fun and the delay was obviously worth it. New cartoon should be coming out on Thursday as well.
I feel like I'm going to end up using every character but him at the end of the day

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I thought the new narrative was that the classics were bad because you CAN'T just hold right to win.

So when's Sonic Mania 2? Surely they won't let the best Sonic game in over a decade be a one-off project then just continue to make shitty 3D games and CGI Hollywood movies?

I'm seeing a lot of shitposts that haven't even been used in forever just suddenly cropping up again in this thread, is this just a special day for it or what? Seems like Sonic threads on Yea Forums without this kinda stuff is just impossible now. What happened?

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If it isn't the 30th anniversary game then chances are they're going to do it after the next 3D game

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>mfw I have to platform in a platformer

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>Depends on who you ask, when it came out it got trashed by critics and these days its held on a pedestal by many fans
That's primarily because of the Werehog stages, which were absolutely terrible 20-minute slogs that was essentially a Prince of Persia Sands of Time style knockoff with finicky, imprecise "Platforming" elements and braindead combat that played pretty much nothing but that Jazz theme during those sections.

There were also questionable design decisions that plagued even the modern stages, such as random QTE segments that became mandatory in later stages to progress/not die, and mapping the homing attack to the boost button instead of the jump button (meaning there was always a chance of homing near an enemy when meaning to boost, and boosting off the stage when you meant to attack an enemy; this has happened much more than once). Also, MANDATORY collectibles to progress is a horrible design decision for a Sonic game, especially one like Unleashed whos entire purpose is to go FAST.

It did a lot of things right, but there some really painful design choices that dragged the game down. It's still the best looking game in the series though, even to this day.

To anyone who wants the definitive way to play Unleashed, I recommend getting Generations on the PC, and getting the Unleashed mod for PC. You get nearly all of the primary daytime stages of Unleashed without any of the bullshit. Mandatory collectibles and Warehog stages are gone, QTEs are replaced by variable boost ramps, and homing attack is assigned to jump rather than boost, negating the issue above). You also get all of the cool refinements, such as midair tricks and abilities.

The unleashed project is shit and nowhere near as good as the original. Fuck you, you lying shit taste having worthless cum guzzling idiot

Yeah, pretty much all of this

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ILL USE YOUR MO-
CHAOS
CONTROL

I too love e-celebs

Hey, no need to get this touchy over a mod.

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Probably sometime in 2020. I initially thought we'd see a followup sometime in 2019 to release alongside the upcoming movie, but I'm sure we would have heard something by now if that was going to be the case.

Classic Sonic is pretty much its own sub-franchise now, so there's no reason to think Mania was just a one-off.

God i hate this faggot so fucking much
he LITERALLY made a joke out of sonic.

Outside of the missing side levels, which I'll admit is a sad omission, how else is the Unleashed project worse than the original? It even plays the stages at 60fps, and I'm pretty sure you can mod in the original lighting and voice clips.

>You also get all of the cool refinements, such as midair tricks and abilities.
And of course, 60fps. Can't forget that.

haha there's nothing wrong with memes user!

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Not true I liked Mighty and I thought the comic was gay as hell

Chaotix, bitch

I just went to the wiki to check out who the fuck these characters are, holy autism, according to the wiki there is robotnik and there is eggman, what in the hell?

>The story is fine in both SA1 and SA2.
SA1's is fine because it's really just feels like an extension of some stuff from S3K. SA2's story, on the other hand, is where things started getting stupid.

Fuck you and your shitty little gay mod. You retarded delusional faggot. You absolute fucking tool. You scum.

Generations is on a gimped version of the hedgehog engine seen in Unleashed, even with lighting mods and shit it still doesn't look as good. The better thing to do is play Unleashed on rpcs3.

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"Truth is, Sonic was shitty from the start"

Sonic 3 AIR is amazing and made me remember I definitely prefer 3K over Mania. Turn that filter off though, fag.

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>he LITERALLY made a joke out of sonic
I think it's funny how only autists get upset about this. Sonic had already been a joke to a majority of people before Aaron started doing his thing with the twitter account.

I'm not even disagreeing man, you're just getting way too angry over it too.

Explain which parts of the story in SA2 are stupid, it could probably be explained.

>even with lighting mods and shit it still doesn't look as good
But it controls better and has better performance, which is more important.

I just let Mania and 3&K share the throne for me to be honest. I can't pick just one.

Maybe for people who where fans and some gamers knew about how fucked up it was but now everyone goes "haha sonic epic meme mascot"

mania good

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I love them both too but there's just some levels and bosses in Mania that really ruin the pace of the game. Heavy Gunner basically being an autoscroller, Press Garden Act 1 being too cramped and the boss being a waiting game unless you go Super, the entirety of Hydrocity and its bosses, Mirage Saloon Act 1 unless you're doing Encore or Knuckles.

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I wonder that too, why are sonic threads here so rife with this lately? It's just falseflaggers bloating the threads with the same stuff again and again.

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I think the general concept of "neon rubberhose characters get involved with government conspiracies" is pretty dumb on its own, but if you want something specific then the whole plot point of Eggman blowing up an entire chunk of the moon as a "harmless threat" to show what the cannon is capable of was pretty stupid, especially when you consider the kind of impact that would actually have on a global scale on top of the fact that it's never even brought up again after that point.

Eggman using the cannon to blow up part of the moon should have been his main goal, instead it's just something that feels like was included because the writers thought it would look cool in a cutscene.

This is unironically true and i'm not even a falseflagger.

i'm having a shitty case of the mondays, don't mind me
based.

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Doing a playthrough of AIR with each character made me realize how much I hate vanilla Sonic 3's levels past Hydrocity and how the game only truly begins when you get to Mushroom Hill.

The real problem with sonic is that it feels like it plays itself and when sonic team tries to add a way to control sonic, fans are usually
> muh controlls
And their right, sonic is an outdated IP the only reason why it even got popular was because of his design,PHYSICS,and music.please let sonic die in peace.

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Now, now, little darling. I love all my children equally.

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okay post source right now.

Reminder they ditched sonic classic shoes for some shitty shoes on SA2
yet people defend SA2

exhentai.org/g/817026/0fd0303f91/

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Marble Garden and Ice Cap 1 are the only ones that are iffy for me. Carnival Night is unironically one of the best "casino" levels in the series because it actually has platforming and enemies unlike the other ones that just rely on bumper and pinball gimmicks and slot machines that get boring after your first playthrough. Ice Cap 2 is basically the opposite of 1 and is non-linear as heck. And Launch Base is a great, decently challenging climax zone to the first half of the game.

>but now everyone goes "haha sonic epic meme mascot"
This is likely much preferable to Sega than Sonic's previous moniker as "industry punching bag". It's not like the character's rep is going to be any better if they keep pushing out mediocre shit like Forces. Aaron's really just playing the hand his team is regularly given. His focus on Sonic-themed twitter memes and classic shit makes sense to me.

Kill yourself.

but what if I like Unleashed AND Mania? This thread leaves me conflicted.
Infact, what is this thread as a whole? It started off normal but is now infested by shitposters who refuse to go away. Mania threads actually used to be pretty ok for a while, but now it's impossible to have one without this kind of stuff. It's just kinda depressing.

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The only way you can explain (headcannon) your way out of this one is that G.U.N fixed the moon after the plot of SA2 and only part of the moon blew up so it didnt affect tides much. Still, I like the government conspiracy plot, it gives Sonic an "action movie" vibe, which was one of the original intentions for how Sonic games were supposed to feel like.

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mania sucks

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Its still fucking detrimental to it.
>haha they cant make fun of us if we make fun of ourselves
fucking depressing.

What critiques?
Most are based on SEGA's retardation with the game like Denuvo, returning zones, and Forces tie in. The game functions like a proper Sonic game, like it should, and always should.

SOURCE MOTHERFUCKER

It's because classic faggots are insufferable and overrate the fuck out of Mania. Just look at the OP for example. How do you not just want to beat OP into a bloody pulp?

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The Phantom Ruby doesn't create mere illusions. It effectively creates a new reality.

>but Mania said fuck that
Actually, with Mania Plus, the idea that it just creates illusions is reinforced when the new Metal Sonic boss shatters like glass and the original is shown underneath.

That is some really nitpicky and vague criticism. Imagine having a problem with the special stages and thinking mirage salloon looks bad.

Why do you guys get mad when people diss Sonic Team? I thought Adventurebros hated them too right now?

nigga u dum

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That's the thing though, how do we know he was talking about the sonic team of the adventure era? I'm pretty certain he was talking about the nu-sonic team who made stuff like Forces. You know, the one many dislike... I just feel sad that I or some other anons have to look like an enemy for just legitimately liking the game these days I guess.

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Best game in 25 years. Cope Adventurefag.

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FALSE.
Concept art existed before Tails.
>00:12

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Hey! Hey!
Can you Feel the Power!?
You vs. me competition for the victory, (Wull!)
I could be the best one day and make history. (Go!)
Swing into action, are you ready to play? (Go!)
Challenge anyone, anywhere (Go!), any day. (Come On!)

You wanna take a chance? Go ahead and roll the dice. (Ok!)
See if it's in your cards, if you'll pay the price. (Wull!)
Activate the Spell, let your powers come to life. (Go!)
It's showtime, who will win the fight? (Wow!)

I'm ready to duel, go ahead and make your move.
(Go! Go! Go! Go!)

I'll win this duel,
You can't beat my moves.
I'm in that groove,
I know I can't lose.
Your turn, your tricks,
Now what will you choose?
Can you feel the power!?

I'll win this duel,
You can't beat my moves.
I'm in that groove,
I know I can't lose.
Your turn, your tricks,
Now what will you choose?
Can you feel the power!?

not him but i hate exhentai, i forgot my account years ago and im too lazy to recover it or make another one.
thanks for dumping though

*highest-rated

Except that it's not according to the shitty forces writers. It just tricks your brain into thinking it's real. Like something out of capeshit but not in the least bit utilised in a fun way.

Serious question: Is the homing attack (and all these other 3D tricks) holding our boy back?

Even if you can accelerate quickly after using the homing attack, isn't the draw behind Sonic continuous momentum? The homing attack literally kills all your moment, and spin dashing or boosting after the fact still doesn't change that.

>The only way you can explain (headcannon) your way out of this one is that G.U.N fixed the moon after the plot of SA2 and only part of the moon blew up so it didnt affect tides much.
I'm not interested in headcanons. My point was that blowing up the moon was stupid both in terms of how it fits in the general plot and how it makes Eggman look stupid because he didn't think blowing a chunk out of the fucking moon would cause any kind of real issue to the planet itself. Of course, we'd never know if this was an actual issue because it's never brought up again after it happens.

The writing just sucks. I've seen lots of people try to fill in SA2's narrative holes with their own headcanons, but I feel like doing that just accentuates how dumb some of the really writing is.

>Still, I like the government conspiracy plot, it gives Sonic an "action movie" vibe
I prefer Sonic to be about exploring forgotten ruins and mystical islands across an endless sea. Stuff involving military coverups and Eggman threatening the president (unless he's some kind fictional president of some fantasy, sci-fi city like in the OVA) does nothing for me.

if someone posts a sadpanda link, just google the numbers at the end of the link. it usually has the source.

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No, play some 3D fan-games where the homing attack keeps your momentum going after it hits. This is all it needs to be good.

Blessed user, i wont forget this.

>Its still fucking detrimental to it.
Detrimental to what? Nobody's going to take modern Sonic of all things seriously anyway. That's the main reason why the twitter account went in the direction it did.

If that were the case, it wouldn't be able to:
>change gravity
>open portals across dimensions
>create physical entities that can act independently
>cause physical harm with manifestations

At that point, you have to ask yourself, "if it creates illusions that are so convincing that you can touch them and be hurt by them, how is that any different from just manipulating reality?"

>Special stages control poorly, and it's hard as hell to catch the emerald without hugging the wall
The special stages are easy, though. All you have to do is jump around corners.

The image of the franchise?
I cant even take them seriously anymore, they are a running joke.
I want my sonic to be a respected game icon like he was in the 90s, good games, good aesthetics, good music, not some old hobo dropping down his pants for some likes and e-fame
You are not getting my point.

Sifting through the this shit of a post, I do see your point. Mania is a breath of fresh air, but not the solution to Sonic's current crap standing. Also unleashed didn't save Sonic, it's only remembered fondly for the day stages and the triple A budget it got. It's as much of a band-aid as mania.

>Is the homing attack (and all these other 3D tricks) holding our boy back?
Sonic Team's implementation of the homing attack holds 3D Sonic back. There's nothing wrong with the concept of the move itself. It could honestly be just as useful as the spindash if it conserved momentum properly.

>The special stages are easy, though.
Especially since you can now hit a button to instantly get a mach boost.

Kill yourself you stupid faggot.

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Hey now, the ps3 version can hit 60.

If the planets align correctly, the temperature of the ps3 is exactly 53c while laying on it's side at 1am.

Unironically kill yourself, aaron.

>dumb Adventurefag still denying that he ruined the franchise

you underage faggots gave us the worse of Sonic and turned him into an absolute joke. was it all worth ONE semi decent 3D Sonic game?

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>Sakura Synagogue Zone

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No matter what Sonic is like right now, making a meme out of the franchise and characters on the inside isn't helping either.

You are the cancer.

>defending Lost World

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You are a gift itself, user.

>I want my sonic to be a respected game icon like he was in the 90s, good games, good aesthetics, good music, not some old hobo dropping down his pants for some likes and e-fame
Like I said before, Sonic is never going to be "respected" as long as Sega keeps putting out titles like Forces. Aaron's team knows this, which is why they handle the twitter account the way they do. It's not rocket science.

How do I get this without downloading steam and all that shit? I've been steam free for this long, I want to keep it like that, but I'm willing to break just for a definitive experience of S3K.

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If you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything.

>Plus gets announced and we see the return of Mighty and Ray
>WAHHHHHHHHHHHH WHERE'S SHADOW?

fucking adventure sperms

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You don't even need the steam version of the game, he probably just put that to cover his ass in case Sega wants to do something about it. If you don't have the steam version of 3K installed, it'll just ask you to direct it to any vanilla S3K rom on your hard drive.

Bless you user. I'm having fun tonight.

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Post yfw this came up

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I love Sonic and all but you can;t mistake the string of fucking failures synomynous with Sega's own fall from grace due to SOJ being retarded

Sonic 3D was meh
Knuckles Chaotix was meh
Sonic R was meh
Xtreme got it's ass cancelled
Sonic fucking Blast (The gamegear game)
Penders ruining the damn comic by this point

Sonic needed a kick up his ass and sadly Adventure was the only way to do it

Spark's also rumored to be coming to RoA, too.

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the game was trash but I really liked the option to be a massive asshole as a kid

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I never grew up with classic 2D. My first sonic game was like most late 20 something SA2 on gamecube. Mania was my first 2D Sonic I beat all the way through and it convinced me to not only go back ot the original trilogy, CD, Advance, fan games, unrelated shit like Freedom Planet etc but even after all those Mania still stands out the most because of how much soul was in it. Generations was what finally got me to buckle down and try 2D sonic but i was glad i did. I was a stupid kid for thinking Adventure was better than 2D as a youngin. You classicucks knew better and had better. And for that I apologize.

It was a throwback to a different time.

You can't "say nothing" as a PR person, though. Direct your anger at for Sega regularly putting out mediocre Sonic titles, forcing Aaron's team to have to play the ironic angle in order to save face.

You don't see them making fun of themselves because of Mania, after all.

desu i was hoping to find a Sonic Plushie on Yakuza 0

Honest question, no memes. Does mania really deserve this much shitposting? Most people outside of 4channel who love the game also still love 3D Sonic in at least some fashion, and those who simply don't like it are pretty reasonable about it. I just really hope half of this is irony. I would just rather not get caught in the crossfire for liking it myself.

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>IF I NAME SPINOFF EXPERIMENTS ENOUGH IT ERASE SONIC 06, BOOM, AND ADVENTURE AGING LIKE MILK

Chaotix was good and had the best music from the era. move along zoom zoom the adults are talking.

That was the only good part about it. Too bad you could only romance Amy though, seeing her heart break if you went with Rouge or Shade would have been great.

Its just bitter Adventures fags after the shitastrofe that was Forces and the "We are not working on any adventure 3"

Mania, while it had its fair share of problems, it was way better than anything in years and its a legit fun game to both play, listen and even stare at.

>mixing modern games in with the millennium era games
lmao

>making a meme out of the franchise and characters on the inside isn't helping either
I don't see what exactly that's hurting except making some people (who are *already* fans) mad that their favorite franchise itsn't being taken as seriously as they want it to.

You have Aaron's dick and balls lodged so deep down your throat it's coming out of your asshole. There's no excuse for the terrible way he's handling the PR side for the series. It's complete and utter garbage with the sort of humor that cancerous nu-males and normal fags like. It's fucking dog shit, no ifs ands or buts about it.

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Forcesfag here. Can confirm, I love Mania as well. And almost every Sonic game for that matter.

I wish this game didn't kill the chances of Sonic ever getting another RPG spinoff. It could work, they just need to make it play to his strengths. Like making it a fast paced action RPG. I don't know what the fuck Bioware was smoking making the BLUE BLUR do a slow paced turn based RPG with touch screen gimmicks.

God i fucking hate SA2.
Mostly becuase of the comic sans font and SOAP shoes.
funny because shadow shoes are also SOAP.
what where they thinking

>Forcesfag here
I don't believe you, stop pulling my leg.

They really should've kept the soap shoes.

>Does mania really deserve this much shitposting?

it is literally adventurecucks seething that hindsight killed the nostalgia for their flawed games and the modding community for 3D sonic is a drop of water in a bucket in a bathtub in an ocean that is the 2D Sonic fan game scene. they know they will never ever get Adventure 3 or Adventure Mania because there is no salvaging that subgenre at this point.

I like every time someone insists that mania is overrated you can't get a straight answer beyond it's a ROM hack. You would think people would appreciate it when a series gets back on its feet and finally a glimmer of hope for some many people who been invested as a child. I mean get it, the eras of Sonic all have drastically different gameplay that appeals to different people which some platforming franchises don't.

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I mean, I agree with everybody else that classic Sonic shouldn't have been in at all, his stages sucked ass, but the modern and avatar stages were decent. Classic really brought it down, despite being an improvement over Generations, because we just got Mania. Generations was preceded by Sonic 4, so its physics felt great by comparison.

Wait, Sonic's got parents?

>It's complete and utter garbage with the sort of humor that cancerous nu-males and normal fags like
Yes, and that's the exact demographic they're trying to appeal to because they know you'll keep sucking Sonic's dick until the very end. You are already a likely sale, they are not, so they get pandered to. Sorry if reality hurts.

Probably because the 3D games ranged from mediocre (Adventure, Adventure 2) to dogshit (Heroes, Unleashed).

Just like 2D

>Sonic team teases Forces
>"its not generations 2"
>turns out its literally generations 2.

He did in that manga were Sonic is actually a superhero some kid hedgehog turns into.

okay shitstain

Secret Rings, Black Knight, Dark Brotherhood, Shuffle, Shadow, Heroes, the non PS2/Wii version of Unleashed, the entirety of Racers

Advance, Colors, the aforementioned "weaker" Unleashed and Rush were the only bright spots during post adventure-pre Generations

>Does mania really deserve this much shitposting?
Of course not. Every fanbase just has that subset that's pissed whenever something they don't like is good or performs better. I mean there's
Genwunners for both pokemon and transformers.
GTfags for dragonball.
X5fags for megaman
And our adventurefags

For some reason they can't move on or admit what they like was flawed like everyone else.

>Forcesfag

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The game is not bad. Mediocre at worst.

B T F O

user if Forces was Generations 2 I would have at least enjoyed it somewhat.

gonna need a source to this video

Maybe? But I swear Mania threads were able to go longer without this much shitposting back then, now it's nigh impossible to have one without what you see now. Basically I feel like it's gotten worse lately. And that's sad because like a month ago there was a favorite game's thread with little to none of this. Adventure and Classicfags got along really well. After that, it's seemingly never been the same since. That and I swear to god some of these are sonic general crossposters, I've seen similar looking posts. I just wish it would get better again.

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>The gamegear game
If you're counting them why not the good ones like Chaos and Triple Trouble?

The game is fucking abysmal nigger.
Stop being a apologist, its broken everywhere you look at, stage design is boring as shit and it LITERALLY Forces (no pun intended) to follow a set path even if you deliberately fail to do it.

Why wouldn't he

>The game is fucking abysmal nigger.
Not really. It's about on par with Generations, just doesn't have nostalgia holding it up.

Judging by the deleted Rougeporn spam, /sthg/ is here again. I would really love to kill everyone that uses that board, but in the end, it wouldn't matter anyways, I'm already on Yea Forums(nel).

>But I swear Mania threads were able to go longer without this much shitposting back then, now it's nigh impossible to have one without what you see now.
Welcome to Yea Forums.
Here's another secret, did you know we could actually have monster hunter threads without some idiot screeching about Nintendo?

The only thing Adventure did right was just a COUPLE of music tracks across both games.
thats it, prove me wrong adventure cucks.
protip, you can´t.

>implying it's not x6fags shitting up mega man threads

I was just about to say this, X6fags are the salty ones that their game has such a bad reputation

The only one sucking dick here is you, faggot. Can't imagine how brain dead one must have to be to be as stupid as you.
nice samefag, stupid nigger fuck.

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>On par with generations
thats not saying much, Generations was very mediocre at best, it shined at release because we had nothing but absolut bottom of the toile bowl shit as an excuse for games.
Classic handles like ass, physics are all sorts of fucked up, the levels are badly designed.
Modern gameplay is okay, but feels pretty boring and straighforward compared to unleashed, its definately a step down in both length and gameplay elements. every stage does exacly the same.

Forces managed to take all these things and somehow make it worse.

you enjoy mediocre games?

I miss the pre-release threads, the worst you had to deal with there were the romhack posters as far as I remember. It's far worse now.

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>Forces managed to take all these things and somehow make it worse.
I disagree.

Yes. In fact, I even enjoy some games that are bad.

It is okay to like games that aren't good. It is okay to hate games that are good.

I typo'd but does it really matter now?
The point is every fanbase has them.

No im not.
x6 fag here, I know my game is the most abhorrent shit ever but its only real flaw is level design.
I legit think x3 is worse because its an absolute drag to play and pretty mediocre around. (which is a shame becuase it has some my fave mavericks yet)
while x6 would be fixed with some actual level design and balance fixes.

>I prefer Sonic to be about exploring forgotten ruins and mystical islands across an endless sea.
So like Wind Waker but with Sonic
Thank you for making me want something I'll NEVER have asshole...

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Not an argument.

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The Homing Attack is a necessary evil for making Sonic even work in 3D. The big problem as others have said is Sonic Team refusing to use it as anything but a stop-and-pop, or in cases like Lost World over-complicating everything with a retarded kick move and charged homing attack that go against the very point of the game.

>GTfags for dragonball

it's literally just spics who still feel special that they got GT before anyone else outside of japan. I like the first 16 or so episodes for being a retrace of Dragon Ball. Even the dancing faggots that everyone complains about weren't that bad. However the series suffers massively from wasted potential. EVery villain has a reason to exist with their backstory but boyond that they are UNGA ME KILL GOKU BUNGA ME TAKE OVER UNIVERSE.Baby having the best buildup was fucking garbage by the time he took over earth. Super 17 didn't say a fuckign thing before attacking Goku for the first time. The Black Star arc could have been in the original series as a followup to Buu given the overuse on the earth balls at that point. But like everything else in GT they drop the ball hard. The only character that gets a hint of development was Nouva but he gets absorbed quick and the rest were dumbasses save for Syn who was discount Cell.

But none of that matters spics live and defend GT because OH MY GOD SS4 IS SO FUCKING COOL.

>while x6 would be fixed with some actual level design and balance fixes
Using that logic x3 is fine.

We kinda got it with Rush Adventure.

I am the only person in this thread who legit loves Sonic 3D blast and all it stands for.
Also i love the weird ambiance it has.
Wish uncanny 3D sonic with stick arms would come back.

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but my girl was in x6

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No its not because the music is ass on all versions, the maverick fights are lame as shit the sprites barely move, the weapons are also all the same and the villains are pretty forgettable and just suck.
Kaiser sigma was pretty ridiculous but i liked it.

It was more fun than I thought it'd be. But I still prefer 2D or Adventure's 3d by a mile.

I think it's pretty cool. I like how the founder of Traveler's Tales made a director's cut version of it.

>he's accusing people of being the same person on an anonymous cave painting forum

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>Layer
>X6
user...

No she wasn't. Layer was introduced in X8. How can you mix those 2 up?

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Because the nerds had passion. They weren't soulless work drones doing it for a paycheck and also doing exactly as they are told by their bosses. The veterans lacked both the passion and care as well as having bosses getting in their way. So even if they did care it wouldn't matter.

Great, the sonic general thinks we're laughing at Adventure again.

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So outside of your personal reasons everything could be fixed with a balancing and level design changes.

Reminder that this is how all future 2D Sonic games should play like.

youtube.com/watch?v=TdC9wV0N15A

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I'm not going to lie I've never played X8 I just kind of forgot about it

3D Blast is one of those "it's a nice game, but a bad x game" type experiences for me. I like the soundtrack and I like the exploration-based level design. I think the homing attack should have been a base move instead of being stuck to a shield, though. Also having to reacquire flickies if after you/they get hit can be really annoying in later levels.

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Link to thread?

No it doesn't. Reused stages or not, Mania is a fantastic game. I know it's been said a million times, but it's pretty impressive that a group of fans were able to recreate the feeling of the Sonic trilogy where the actual dev team and its affiliates did not and/or could not.

I didn't ask for mania, and hell I was disappointed by the announcement since I was tired of all these retro revival games, but ever since day 1 I've been hooked.

we are laughing at adventure

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I miss you too Vitanon.

No real need, it's the current thread on /vg/ at the moment.

Warning. It's very autistic.

I give GT points for trying. Super just felt like fanservicey shit where Goku had to beg all his former villains for forgiveness because he finally found someone swole-er and dumber than he was.

Yeah but I'm feeling lazy.

>Stuff involving military coverups and Eggman threatening the president (unless he's some kind fictional president of some fantasy, sci-fi city like in the OVA) does nothing for me.
SA2 was pretty much at the very edge of what could be considered tonally appropriate for a Sonic story, and even then it went overboard in the last story. I say as long as they don't go any farther than that, its fair game.

It was one of the first game I ever emulated. Its great

No.
You can´t fix bosses barely having moves and animations or weapons not being all samey-looking projectiles.
And the only time music sounded good was from fan remixes. both SNES and PS1 version sound horrible.
ps1 arranged ost of x3 unironically puts me to sleep

>I give GT points for trying
>trying
>all but one arc was an inferior copy
>barely any animation

>I give GT points for trying.

bullshit. Super at least gave us several great characters. I can't name one new character from GT that people can unironically remember fondly.

>where Goku had to beg all his former villains for forgiveness
What?
Did you even watch it?

Maybe because its not even really a sonic game.
its a Flicky game with a Sonic paint coat.
You dont lose birbs if you dont get hit
get gud

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Mania was the worst thing to hit the fanbase. It became more obnoxious ever since that shit dropped.

>I give GT points for trying.

oh the Star Wars prequel defense

>AT LEAST IT TRIED TO BE ORIGINAL
>AT LEAST IT WAS BETTERT HAN NOSTALGIA BAIT RIDDLED FOLLOW UP
>ALLOW ME TO IGNORE ALL FLAWS BECAUSE THE THING I AM DEFENDING HAD A COOL THING I LIKED

GT didn't deserve Dan Dan. AT ALL. I'm glad burgers got GRAND TOUR GRAND TOUR.

You will never get your adventure 3 :)

baby, nouva shenron, rildo, giru.

The current fanbase is way better than the autistic deviantart oc cringe of the Adventure era.

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>I give GT points for trying

memeber when Piccolo died so he could rule over the underworld and the dragonballs didn't disappear like the other times he/kami died?

Sonic Team only make sonic games because it's a guaranteed paycheck, there is no passion, those that have passion end up being scoped by Nintendo to work on games that require passion.

tfw used to have an OC
im sorry, im long past over those days thankfully

youtube.com/watch?v=fIi8PH7IhGc

Delusional boomers overrating the fuck out of a rom hack is not better than the Adventure era, fuck outta here you piece of shit.

as any good underdog story, is all in the heart

I prefer passion within the fanbase instead of irony and memes. Soulless.

hideous

I think more people hated Giru than anything as for the rest most people don't know who they are.

I still have my original Genesis cart. It'll always be a special game for me.

>Maybe because its not even really a sonic game.
>its a Flicky game with a Sonic paint coat.
I mean that's pretty much what I said. I like the game for its own merits, even if it has 'Sonic' in the title.
>You dont lose birbs if you dont get hit
Me getting hit isn't really much of an issue, it's collecting all of the Flickies at once, then having one of them get knocked away from a stray projectile or something because you have to compensate for their little "follow the leader" chain.

If Flickies didn't get knocked away on their own I'd have no major complaints.

Soul.

>baby,
ruined by having no character other than MUH REVENGE
>nouva
Diet Cell
>rildo
UNGA BUNGA meathead like Nappa but worse.
>giru.
throw it in the trash along with Pan. The fact Pan never went SSJ and was just a damsel the entire series (but she gave us SSJ4) negates any good will she might have had. How the fuck do you screw up the tomboy archetype? OH right dress her like an urban urchin, make her voice able to break sheet glass, and never do anything productive.

>I prefer passion within the fanbase
Then you should love Mania. Passion from the fanbase is why it exists.

You mean the worst thing to happen to 'your' perception of the fanbase? Not many people gives a rats ass about half that stuff like the classic vs adventurefags shit outside of 4channel. I know you're the crossposter, but it's true.
This is pretty cool.

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>Diet Cell
You're thinking of Omega. He was diet Vegeta.

>homing attack in a 2D Sonic game
I will never understand the appeal. Might as well include a spammable spindash as well.

i cut the copy pate off. my bad but yes you are right Nouva was probably the only good member of the black star gang.

Pretty sure Y0 takes place before the first sonic game came out.

Okay, let's say Mania came out and almost everything was the same. The levels are the same, the physics are the same, etc.
BUT it features Modern Sonic. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy and Shadow are all playable.
Would you still like it?

Because fans grew up with these games, and more than likely know what made them good. We've reached the point where people have spent lifetimes with this stuff, and I'd rather have someone like that trying to translate that experience into a game for me than a bunch of randos hired for a job by a team of suits who use spread sheets and focus groups to figure out how to make games "fun".

Sonic mania is a simple game, and didn't require millions to make or millions to market. It was just beyond sega to make it because they never understood why people liked sonic.

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Wouldn't really be much worse. At that point it'd be like a modern Advance game which people also like.

yes because i'm not autistic

she defeated a dragon and kicked gero's ass.

I don't get people calling Unleashed a good game if only half of it is fun.
The day stages are fun, sure, but when the other chunk of the game is sub-par hack and slash it's not really worth slugging through.
I tried playing the game on my PS3 (already a bad start) but I gave up after the game forced me to play 3 Werehog stages in a row.

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if it has the same artstyle i wouldnt mind.

I know but it would´ve been nice still.
Maybe it appears in later games.

>Heroes
>Dogshit
I will punch you

>she defeated a dragon
the mole one right? pretty sure even 60 year old Krillin could have done it too.
>kicked gero's ass.
gero was never a threat

That's basically an Advance 4 with better level design and physics. I would like it, but it doesnt have my boys so I would like it a bit less.

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I'm not autistic if that's what you're asking

I don't think it does.
Opa-Opa and the Monkey Ball characters do though.

play it again

I did, it was ok

There always would have been mods I suppose.

>Advance 4
shit, now I'm annoyed again about how Generations 3DS only had one stage from a portable sonic game.

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idiots like you are offended that there is an alternate gameplay style rather than the execution of the gameplay style itself

the werehog stages are more fleshed out than anyone gives them credit for and thats just a fucking tragedy honestly.

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>the mole one right?
the girl one.
>gero was never a threat
by doing so she saved vegeta's life.

she also found luudo's weakness and helped goku defeat him from the inside.

>idiots like you are offended that there is an alternate gameplay style rather than the execution of the gameplay style itself
No, I would have been fine with the Werehog stages if they were more focused on speedy combat (like Black Knight)

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It's absurd how much the Game Gear and GBA games were skipped over entirely. Had the perfect opportunity, and instead they just use Green Hill again and then copy-pasted Casino Night and Mushroom Hill into 3D with 1:1 layouts but worse physics in Classic.

they are all very annoying after a while, same shit enemies and music.

This is looking pretty neat, like if Advance got the Whitehead treatment.
youtu.be/0Mg2QqkVe6c

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Sega decided, at least for Forces, Classic is no longer the past of Modern, they're alternate dimensions or some shit.

Looks alright for a demo, but it'll need a lot more polish.

>Yet ANOTHER fan Sonic game appears
youtube.com/watch?v=Jp0dwSXAU9o
So, will this one be the one that becomes more than a tech demo? At least one custom level to prove itself so people won't screech like autists.

Sega has literally tried to segregate Classic and Modern and has been doing so since like 2015 or so. It's part of the reason why the community is worse than ever, because you have the Modern fans that feel like they're being attacked by the mere idea that Classic is becoming the bigger thing thanks to Mania.

Then again Sega also tried to make Boom the third part of a trifecta in that branding segregation, and we know how that turned out.

it might be a janky sonic clone atm but if it's got more music like it currently does I'm all fucking for it
youtube.com/watch?v=8P0P5UpCssA
youtube.com/watch?v=LZRpXTMd1Vs
youtube.com/watch?v=p2uxKK9Qq6Q

It's incredible how even the most obscure sonic fans know how physics work in a sonic game better than Nu-Sonic Team. There's also that 06 remake someone's working on called P-06 which actually makes the game feel a lot more fun because it removes a lot of the jank and gives the characters actual weight and momentum like it should be.

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to be entirely fair, it's not hard to improve upon '06 when it got fucked so hard in development and was met with such a rushed release that even mere tweaks to the LUA code can improve the game to small degrees

>the advance games had almost genesis era sonic-like physics
>the also were developed by fucking dimps, the people behind sonic 4

How the fuck did it all go so wrong?
They just... slapped the Rush engine on it without a boost instead of recreating Advance's engine.

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DIMPS were ordered to use the Rush engine by Iizuka, rather than try to replicate the original games directly. It's actually really fucking hilarious because if you go and see reviews from Episode 1's time, it was only the fanbase being salty about the physics that downrated the game, as critics loved it. Then Generations came out and people saw how bad it really was, Episode 2 barely improved much at all, and soon enough Mania basically made Sonic 4 look like a dumpster fire.

Well, is it based on Advance? Because I'd be annoyed Modern era characters exist in classic levels, some of which like Shadow and Modern Amy shouldn't exist in.

Imo, I don't really care, but Modern was explicitly designed for 3D in the first place. Most of the issues that came from the 3D games was injected into the Advance games like grinding and Super Sonic being final boss exclusive, which made no sense.

I still remember how much hardy laughter there was in the Mania pre-release threads when that pre-order trailer dropped and there was no 4 on the elevator buttons at all.

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I think it had a lot of really good ideas. It's probably the best representation of momentum that 3D sonic has EVER gotten, to be honest. And that fucking soundtrack. Whether it's the Genesis one or the Richard Jacques masterwork. Both are just art.

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big corporations have this retarded idea that players need the games to be winned by themselves instead of fucking playing them.
Its far easier to make an engine that works, but they are told that thats something new players will hate or some shit, and thats why there are so many weird engines like lost world and boom.

Uncancered your link
archive.fo/Vqp5q

The fact it's the only game in the series to have you bounce off walls (instead of SA1/2 where you get stuck on them) just cements how talented Traveler's Tales was at game design. I believe if 3D Blast was made when Sonic R was made instead, you'd likely would have gotten a completed Sonic Jam as a game.

SEGAsonic looked neat as hell and I find it weird that they decided to waste an isometric Sonic game on this...and ...labyrinth...and Chronicles.

I guess there's Battle at least.

yeah

>Delusional boomers overrating the fuck out of a rom hack is not better than the Adventure era
If they made a mod of the Adventure games and SEGA published it you'd be shitting your pants
>fuck outta here you piece of shit
people in this thread were happy until you came here

>you can now hit a button to instantly get a mach boost.
What?

Devs' OCs, obviously.

>DIMPS were ordered to use the Rush engine by Iizuka, rather than try to replicate the original games directly
I don't think Iizuka had anything to do with what was originally intended to be a cheap mobile game being re-branded as a Sonic 3 successor. It used the Rush engine because the team developing it never intended it to play like the classics to begin with.

I want to say the original idea for the project's controls was to be mainly tilt/gyro-based.

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If he's talking about Mania the devs never patched out the developers auto boost to the mach state by hitting the "Y" button.

Just tried it on Switch, doesn't seem to work.

I guess it's only on the PC version. It's kinda the only way I can beat the Encore versions because I'm a pleb.

To be honest, nearly the entire first half of the thread was nothing but mania shitposting for no other reason than just because they could. The thread didn't really get better till an hour ago where more sensible people came in not looking to era-fag. We were already unhappy when he came. I'm glad the thread finally got better, just sad it won't last much longer because of how long it took.

>tfw played Mania so much since launch I pretty much got the encore special stages on my first try

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Thanks for proving there's still some good people in these Sonic threads in the later half of it all. I hope things will get better soon. Goodnight, bros.

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